CS: Pol-yet another statue
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] KNOTTED GUN STATUE COMMEMORATES JOHN LENNON'S MURDER 081215 DEC 10 By Jane Merrick, PA News A statue in the shape of a knotted gun was unveiled today to commemorate the 20th anniversary of John Lennon's death. The statue - a bronze revolver with its barrel tied in a knot - was designed in 1980 in the wake of the Beatle star's murder. Dr Michael Nobel, head of the Nobel Family Society and chairman of the Non-Violence Foundation, unveiled the statue at Cavern Walks Shopping Centre in Liverpool, near the site of the original Cavern Club. It will stand a few feet away from where The Beatles are also immortalised in bronze. The knotted gun was designed by Carl Frederick Reutersward, who allowed the Non-Violence Foundation, an international youth-orientated campaign group, to use it as its symbol. Unveiling the statue today, Dr Nobel said: "John Lennon used his music to promote peace and non-violence. "It is entirely appropriate and fitting that the statue should be unveiled in Liverpool where John Lennon was born and began his career." The Non-Violence Foundation was established in Sweden in 1993 and has offices in Miami, Brazil, Switzerland and London. Twenty identical statues are sited across the world, including one outside the United Nations building in New York. ~ 20 of them!! Kenneth Pantling Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Field-BBC kills deer unlawfully
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CASTAWAYS FURORE OVER DEER KILLING 091306 DEC 10 By Gordon Darroch, PA News The BBC's island castaways flew into controversy after they were filmed illegally killing a deer, it emerged today. The Deer Commission for Scotland complained about the incident, which was broadcast as part of the Castaway 2000 series, in which the animal was captured and killed during a night-time ambush with a net and stun gun. The castaways were later filmed tucking into venison from the animal on their Hebridean island retreat of Taransay. Lion Television, the programme's producers, subsequently broadcast an apology admitting that the deer should not have been killed without prior authorisation and that the wrong type of equipment was used. It stated: "The Deer Commission for Scotland have advised us that no deer can be taken or killed without authorisation from the Commission. "It is a condition of the authorisation that a rifle with a greater stopping power than the minimum prescribed in the Deer (Firearms etc) (Scotland) Order 1985 is used and not a captive bolt slaughtering instrument." The castaways also acted illegally in killing the deer at night and trapping it with a net, the commission said. However, the commission noted that the killing had been safe and humane and said it would not be taking the matter further. The commission's technical director Richard Youngson said: "I must admit that this was the safest, though illegal, method of killing the animal with the people present. "There is an allowance that can be made where market garden crops are under threat and we are taking a lenient view in this case." A BBC spokesman said today: "The commission wrote to us to say that the deer had been killed illegally and a statement was broadcast on last night's programme. "While the Deer Commission accept that the killing was safe, we agree that we would not want other people to copy the castaways' actions." Kenneth Pantling Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Subject: How to make black powder
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How to make black powder This is for historical purposes only. I am NOT advising you to manufacture black powder nor do I take any responsibility for any damage that might occur to you, others, various property, sheep, goats, federal buildings, etc... if you should undertake the ill advised attempt to make some.
CS: Misc-Useful Quote for Police Officers and Other Civilians
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CS: Pol-Gun Rights: Power to the People
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sierratimes.com/dantre.htm Gun Rights: Power to the People by Jeff Dantre' Posted 11.30.00 Why don't the politicians want us to own weapons? What are the politicians afraid of? That we're all going to kill each other? I don't think so. The politicians are afraid of an armed populace. And they're supposed to be. The tension created by an armed populace is a method of keeping the politicians honest. Some people theorize that in an age of nuclear weapons and technological warfare, an armed citizenry poses no threat to the force of the military. This is an erroneous conclusion. The purpose of any military takeover would be to takeover what makes America America. The infrastructure and at least some of the people must survive. And the military, with as much high tech weaponry as it has, could not win a street fight with millions of armed Americans. That's pretty powerful stuff. The sick proponents of gun control want each of us to turn our lives over to an all-knowing government that will protect us and provide for all of our needs. But what is the cost of relinquishing the control of our lives over to that government. We have to bow to its demands. We have to allow whatever demoralizing and social mandates it offers. We will have succumbed to that disgusting intellectual elite that wants to rule us all. These are the people of the world that know what's best for us. These are the Feinsteins, the Clintons, the Boxers and the Kofi Annans. These are the Rockefellers and the Ted Turners. These are the smug professors at the elite schools. These are the feminists, the technologists and the sociologists. Each of these groups thinks they know more about what we want in life that we do ourselves. THEY know what's best for. Are we really sheep? If you are a woman or a minority I find it impossible to fathom how you could be for gun control. The only thing that equalizes a fight between a man and a woman is a firearm. You can learn all of the defensive techniques you want but if an assailant has their own gun, you lose. Even if the assailant does not have a gun, most women can't successfully fight a 200-pound man in reasonably good shape. You put your life in the hands of chance, the chance that someone will hear you screaming (if you can) or that a police officer just happens to be passing by. Face the facts: Police cannot protect everyone. If they could arrive at the scene of each crime in 30 seconds, maybe they could. And courts have determined many times that police are not liable in cases where they have unable to provide protection to citizens. Suppose you are an older black woman or black man living in a bad part of town. How can you protect yourself against an attack? The only (somewhat) sure way is to brandish a gun. Otherwise, you're at the mercy of a sick person that has no mercy. The thought that you, the minority or the woman, would give up your right to protect yourself is one of the most disconcerting things I have ever conceived. Recently I was reporting on a story in a particularly bad part of town. Many of you have probably seen places like this, at least on TV- burned out cars, closed stores, trash everywhere, and bars on the windows. A woman had been strangled in her apartment. I arrived on a sunny day with police cars and the media everywhere to be seen. I watched the residents of the federal project watching the police. Many stood near their doors with their kids. I thought to myself - what if you could arm these people, at least the law abiding ones? What would happen the next time someone is attacked and a whole community responds brandishing guns? Would the hoods and thugs look for a "safer" place to hit? That is power! This country was founded on violence. I would never wish the conflict of any of our wars on this country but it is important that each and every law-abiding citizen owns a weapon and is trained in its use. It is important that each of you teach your children a rudimentary knowledge of firearms. For those of you who don't own weapons, ask a gun owning friend to teach you. Give yourself a chance to get used to the idea of a firearm. Like anything empowering in our lives, the power of a weapon and the responsibility of owning one are something to get used to. But a gun is something to be respected but not something to be afraid of (unless you're on the wrong side of one). Lets remember that most of our forefathers owned guns, many for hunting. Guns were a part of most rural families. I remember going to my grandmother's house for Thanksgiving each years. My uncle had a case of guns in the den area where we all congregated. The case was never locked. But believe me, I would never have touched it and none of us youngins ever did. The closest many Americans have come to a firearm is on a passing police officer. For most people, guns are only a part of the violence they see on television each day. If you grew up and have s
CS: Misc-Molebdenum
From: "David M", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alex, I have no scientific evidence to quote to you. I understand that Sierra conducted a series of tests and concluded, basically, that moly coating their projectiles is a waste of time but I don't have details of those tests. I am surprised you say Ms Moly is not a good lubricant for cast bullets but again I have only personal experience to base my remarks upon. The quote from Andrews post reproduced below seems to agree with my remarks so at least I am not alone. Regards, David. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Scotlands "knife culture"
From: "Peter Webb", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." (The sword does not kill; it is a tool in the hands of the killer.) --Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD) I think that about covers it... Peter Webb >Knives don't kill people, people kill people. >Now where have I heard an expression something like that before? >DM Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Crime-Radio prog
From: "Brian Toller", [EMAIL PROTECTED] If anyone fancies a listen Radio 5 on Sunday at 12.30pm is doing a half an hour on Contract killing and its suppposed increase. I'll refrain from comment till I've heard it. Brian T Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Molebdenum
From: "VinceB", [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not convinced moly coating does enhance barrel life, perhaps in certain situations but in my limited experience the only reason for barrel life being increased is because moly coating seems to reduce muzzle velocity, which must mean less pressure inside the barrel. Steve. Problem is, you have to burn more powder to recover that 'lost' muzzle velocity so greater throat erosion. VinceB -- Good point. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-White House press release
President Clinton: Commemorating and Strengthening the Brady Law Thursday, November 30, 2000 Today, joined by Jim and Sarah Brady, President Clinton will celebrate the 7th anniversary of the signing of the Brady Law by announcing new efforts to strengthen enforcement of this landmark legislation. The President will announce that since passage of the Brady Law, more than 611,000 felons, fugitives, and domestic abusers have been prevented from buying guns through background checks. To make enforcement of the Brady Law even more effective, the President will: 1) ask the Treasury and Justice Departments to develop a new system for notifying state and local law enforcement officials of felons and other prohibited persons who have tried to illegally buy guns in their communities: and 2) name 12 new cities that will take part in the AdministrationÆs Youth Crime Gun Interdiction Initiative (YCGII) to crack down on illegal gun trafficking by tracing all crime guns to their source. Finally, the President will announce the release of the 1999 national and city reports on YCGII which contain detailed findings on over 64,000 crime guns recovered by law enforcement in YCGII cities and submitted to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) for tracing. STOPPING MORE THAN 611,000 FELONS, FUGITIVES, AND DOMESTIC ABUSERS FROM BUYING GUNS WITH BRADY. The President will announce that Brady Law background checks have stopped more than 611,000 prohibited persons from purchasing firearms since this historic legislation was signed into law on November 30, 1993. Of this total, the successful National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which was launched in November 1998, has blocked nearly 300,000 illegal sales in only two years. CALLING FOR A NATIONAL NOTIFICATION SYSTEM ON ILLEGAL ATTEMPTS TO PURCHASE FIREARMS. The President will ask the Attorney General and the Treasury Secretary to build on the success of NICS by using new technology to develop a national notification system that more effectively and efficiently provides information to state and local law enforcement about all persons who sought to illegally buy guns and were denied by NICS background checks. Currently, NICS provides immediate notice to state and local law enforcement of denied firearms sales to fugitives and persons under domestic violence restraining orders, and the ATF ensures that all denials are appropriately reviewed and investigated. Now that NICS has completed its second successful year of operation, technological progress can help take this success even further. At the President's request, the Department of Justice will work with the FBI and the Treasury Department to develop a system that provides more information more quickly to local law enforcement about denials of other categories of persons who are denied firearms sales through NICS background checks. TRACING CRIME GUNS AND CRACKING DOWN ON GUN TRAFFICKERS. In July 1996, President Clinton issued a directive establishing the Youth Crime Gun Interdiction Initiative (YCGII) to focus resources on reducing youth gun violence. The initiative brings together federal, state, and local law enforcement officials to provide information about the illegal sources of guns recovered from juveniles and adult criminals and to strengthen enforcement of the nationÆs gun laws. Presently, 38 cities across the country are participating in the AdministrationÆs YCGII. Expanding YCGII to 50 cities. Today, President Clinton will announce the planned expansion of YCGII to 12 new cities: Albuquerque, NM; Austin, TX; Baton Rouge, LA; Greensboro, Winston-Salem, and High Point, NC; Indianapolis, IN; Jacksonville, FL; Long Beach, Anaheim and Santa Ana, CA ; Nashville, TN; Newark, NJ; Oklahoma City, OK; Pittsburgh, PA; and Stockton, CA. ATF will work with local law enforcement in each of these cities to submit all crime guns seized for tracing and use the information to identify and locate illegal gun traffickers and other gun criminals. Releasing the third annual report of YCGII. Today, the President will announce the release of the ATF 1999 Crime Gun Trace Reports including a national report on YCGII, as well as individual city reports for participating YCGII localities. The reports are available at www.atf.treas.gov. Among the key findings from the national report: Youth and guns present a serious crime problem. About 43 percent of all crime guns were recovered from young people: 9 percent from juveniles age 17 and under, and 34 percent from youth age 18-24. Handguns are the weapon of choice for juveniles and criminals. Handguns comprised 78 percent of all traced crime guns, with semiautomatic pistols accounting for 50 percent of all traced guns. Long guns (shotguns and rifles) accounted for 21 percent of traced crime guns. Many crime guns are acquired in multiple sales. The acquisition of handguns in multiple sales can be an important trafficking indicator. Handguns sold in multiple sales rep
CS: Legal-Knives
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Actually pink's a good idea - not only does it make it easier to find your >knife when you drop it in the long grass, but pink being widely regarded by >western society as a "feminine" colour (well, who can prove me wrong?) will >convey the message that the owner of said knife is a caring & gentle soul, >nicely in touch with his female side - In another thread, it was suggested that the fuss over Winchester's Black Talon ammunition (now called "Fail Safe") would never have occurred if they had been introduced as "Winchester Safety Blossom". :-) --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 -- Oh did I have fun wearing a Black Talon T-shirt during that uproar ;-) Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Civil Liberties issue re. bans
From: "Charles Parker", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Letter in Times 7/12/2000 Hunt ban an issue of civil liberties
CS: Target-Molebdenum
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >I'm no metallurgist, but how it was explained to me is something like this - >moisture ( from the chemical reaction of burning powder ) plus molybdenum ( >a sulphide ) plus stainless steel can set up an electro-chemical reaction >path which causes "crevice erosion" in the stainless steel - this is very >noticeable where angular machining has been done ( rifling ) - this was the >basic explanation given to me by a surveyor colleague to explain the virtual >total destruction of threading and of more than half its 1 3/4 inch >thickness, on a six month old marine grade stainless steel bolt - for some >reason the nut was not affected. I am now very wary of moly anywhere near >stainless. >Over to the more scientifically inclined :-) >David M ( Sussex ) Steve, & David, Rather interesting, that. If the bolt and the nut were of the same alloy composition, then there should not have been significant differences in the corrosion rates, simply because the corrosion cell would have been common to both components. A corrosion cell is set up on a metallic surface where there is sufficient moisture able to linger, and oxygen. The moisture will after a fashion begin to obtain sufficient components to make up an electrolyte. If both components were at the same potential electrically, then it is possible that the nut may have had more nickel than the bolt, or as the last article below infers, the nut was passivated. The is also the aspect of thermo-galvanic corrosion, as it might be applied to firearms, under that heading below. Galvanic corrosion is the most common type of corrosion where metals are concerned. Some reading here is in order. Check these out. http://www.corrosionsource.com/learningcenter/galvanic.htm http://www.diveweb.com/maritech/features/uw-su99.01.htm http://www.ocean.udel.edu/mas/masnotes/corrosion.html http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Aircraft/galvdefi.htm http://www.caloritech.com/catalog/page202.htm http://corrosion.ksc.nasa.gov/html/galcorr.htm http://www.kelleytech.com/bulletins.html?article=2912 Thermo-galvanic corrosion: http://www.alu-info.dk/Html/alulib/modul/A00109.htm http://webmall.ucbiz.com/power/contents/dictionary/dictionary.htm -- =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= Liberty: Live it . . . or lose it. =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= ET Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Brown Bess
From: "N. L. Cobb", [EMAIL PROTECTED] The museum of the Alamo in San Antonio, Texas has (or did when I was last there) a Brown Bess on display with an explanation that such muskets were used by General Santa Ana's Mexican Army in it's ill-fated attempt to deny Texans their independence. The Alamo fight was in February, 1836, and I assume that the guns had been sold off by HM's Government a decade before. Does anyone know if that is correct and how a significant number of them may have found their way to Mexico? Norm Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-antiques
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >The thing with .50s is that your average .50 Sharps is an >antique, and antiques don't require licenses. > >Steve. Steve, In relation to that, is it legal to re-barrel one of those? Further, may you remanufacture a receiver or other part that is worn? -- =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= Liberty: Live it . . . or lose it. =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= ET -- Erm, that's a good question. You can legally restore antiques but I'm not sure at what point they would cease to be an antique and require a license. I think it unlikely you could rebarrel it and replace the receiver and still call it an antique. It depends on how the court sees it. I suspect the police would consider replacement of any major component as reason for it not to be an antique. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Yoko Ono
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Also the gun death statistics seem rather high. > >Do over 30,000 people a year died from gunshot wounds in the United States? > >Regards > >Jerry >-- >Yes it is off by quite a bit. Using her stats 33,800 people a year >would have to have died from gun shot wounds. There were a few >years where suicides were pretty high but even so it sounds OTT. > >Steve. Steve, & Jeremy, Jeremy, that statistic by itself seem horrendous, but when compared to the other cause of death, it fades into statistical insignificance. There are a few good net sites that will serve to further enlighten the seeker of information, all of them official in their status. Another 'casual' statistic given by Ed Suter, MD, from just a few years ago, indicated that the medical profession -- which counts many among it's ranks as anti firearms -- has the notable statistic of 100 thousand deaths per year as a result of 'medical misadventure', which translates to medical malpractice. Notice how 'quiet' that figure is in relation to the number of total firearms related deaths. It should also be noted that the 30 thousand figure, has as the majority -- close to 2/3rds -- caused by suicides. The remainder are lawful homicide and murder, and the smallest is murder. And please don't get me going about the number of deaths caused as a result of automotive incidents -- I was almost there! -- =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= Liberty: Live it . . . or lose it. =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= ET Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-xmas present
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A friend of mine has come up with a rather novel idea for that Xmas present that you have always wanted, but he doesn't have the means to create it, and wondered if anyone on the list could take it up. In essence it is the perfect gift for speeding motorists, people wanting a prepared self-defence capability and those people willing to "have a go" when confronted by nasty people doing unspeakable things to those less fortunate than themselves. yes, you have guessed correctly - An Inflatable Jack Straw (self-inflating of course - no George the autopilot stuff here please!!); for completeness you also need to have the complimentary entourage of ten inflatable Armed Protection Officers - although you may be hard pushed to get them all in your back seat (you could keep the extras in the boot and only inflate when needed - you know - faced with a riot, crime in progress etc. etc.) You only have to have "Jack" clearly visible in the rear of your car and Radar Traps and Speed Cameras are a thing of the past. Take him to the range and "Giving Head" takes on a whole new meaning. See a crime in progress - set up the APO's and start shouting loudly whilst carrying a chair leg (beware of blue-on-blue!!) So, if someone out there has the means to create this wondergift, lets get cracking!! Have a merry xmas one and all. Chris Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Lethality of Shotguns
From: "Richard Loweth", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apparently, I was told by an "expert" in these things, who is quite well known, there is very little difference at "normal shot gun ranges" between lettered shot and numbered shot in lethal effect when used on people. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-Airgun power limits
From: "Richard Loweth", [EMAIL PROTECTED] As far as I can remember a Crown Court decision is not binding on any other court. Which is probably a reason that an acquittal at a Crown Court on such as a Walther would not have been appealed by the prosecution. -- It's not binding but they do usually take them into account. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-conkers
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's the next class of weapon to be banned, the 50 calibre conker Conkers hit by legal fears Schools are banning time-honoured playtime pastimes such as conkers because headteachers are afraid of being sued by parents in the event of an accident. A survey by Keele University researcher Sarah Thomson shows some schools have banned conkers because they fear the horse chestnuts could be used as "offensive weapons". Other schools have banned football on the grounds that it is anti-social, while another has banned skipping after some girls fell over. The lunchbreak is now in danger of becoming a sterile, joyless time as schools over-react to an increasingly litigious society, warned Ms Thomson. Her findings, set out in the Times Educational Supplement, are based on analysis of the playground pursuits of 1,000 children in Staffordshire, Shropshire and Lancashire. Pupils want to play outside but are sometimes stopped because schools are confused by the health and safety law in relation to children and worried about lawsuits, the survey concludes. Supervision Fear of what inspectors from education watchdog Ofsted might say is another motivating factor in the increasingly tight control over children's play, it found. Parents club together to buy equipment for some schools just before an inspection so the playground resembled a "well-equipped hamster's cage", said Ms Thomson. "All the schools I visited saw playtime as a time that could no be left entirely to the children's wishes," said Ms Thompson. "It seemed that many of the children's attempts to play were extinguished by the same supervising adults who complained that children did not play." Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/education/newsid_106/1060708.stm ~~~ It would be even funnier if it wasn't so bloody pathetic. Kenneth Pantling Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-John Lennon billboard
From: SADW, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'n not sure why Yoko Ono's new billboard should cause readers such offence - it's a factual statement, and she has just cause to feel aggrieved. Lennon's murder was very painful for a lot of other people too; sort of the end of an era. Nick Steadman -- it's not a factual statement. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NRA-ILA FAX ALERT Vol. 7, No. 49 12/8/00 FASHION RAG LAUNCHES ANTI-GUN CAMPAIGN The latest addition to the list of anti-gun mouthpieces is the fashion magazine Marie Claire, which announced the launch of an all-out attack on our Right to Keep and Bear Arms in its January, 2001 issue. Glenda Bailey, the magazine's Editor-in-Chief, writes, "We asked celebrities...to join us in our campaign for sensible gun laws," then plugs anti-gun lobbying organizations such as HCI and the "Million Mom March" (MMM). But what does the magazine consider to be "sensible gun laws?" Apparently, banning all firearms falls under the magazine's definition. The feature announcing the campaign includes photographs of several celebrities, along with quotes revealing their true goals. British rock star Sting, for example, suggests, "Use your imagination and imagine a world without guns," while contributing editor Trudie Styler states, "It's time to ban the gun." If there is any question about whether the magazine supports these extremist views, one needs only to look to the words of Ms. Bailey, who praises Styler for "her commitment and support" to the magazine's efforts. Other celebrities included in the feature? Controversial film director Spike Lee, who once suggested that NRA President Charlton Heston should be murdered by someone using a handgun (FAX Alert, Vol. 6, No. 21). Lee states in the magazine, "The NRA has got to go," which we can only presume is a position supported by Marie Claire. Also lending support are actresses Melanie Griffith, Susan Sarandon, and Uma Thurman, actors Michael Douglas, Ethan Hawke (who is married to Thurman), and Justin Timberlake, and models Naomi Campbell, Helena Christensen, Sophie Dahl, Heidi Klum, and Christy Turlington. Klum simply states, "I'm afraid of guns," which begs the question, if she were afraid of heights, as many people are, would she support banning tall buildings? And, not to be denied more media attention, Donna Dees-Thomases, the political operative who orchestrated the MMM Mother's Day event held this year in Washington, D.C., was included as a supporter of the magazine's gun-ban agenda. The magazine, of course, includes all the routine inflammatory rhetoric one would expect from a publication that has thrown its lot in with the gun ban extremists, including using grossly misleading or outright inaccurate "statistics," supporting the continued attempts to ban gun shows as we know them today, and implying that it gives full support to the reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry. You can read more about Marie Claire's support of gun bans at http://www.marieclaire.com/ (http://www.marieclaire.com). If you wish to contact the magazine to object to its editorial policy that supports attacks on the Second Amendment, you can write to: Letters, Marie Claire, 1790 Broadway, 3rd Floor, New York, NY 10019. You can also call (212) 649-5000, send faxes to (212) 649-5050, or send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ONO SUPPORTS MARIE CLAIRE, CALLS U.S. "WARZONE" Also included in the Marie Claire campaign is John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono. While many people simply think of Ono as either the primary reason the Beatles broke up, or a "musician" with questionable talent, she has also been a long-time advocate of gun control. Lennon was murdered 20 years ago today, and in a recent rare interview, Ono commented that living in America is "like...living in a war zone." Ono also recently paid to erect billboards with anti-gun messages in New York City and Los Angeles, two cities with high rates of crime committed with gunsùbut also extremely restrictive laws regulating firearms. BUT WHERE'S ROSIE? Missing from the Marie Claire campaign, strangely enough, is America's most strident anti-gun celebrity, Rosie O'Donnell, who once implied that all gun owners should be thrown in jail. Perhaps Rosie has her hands full deflecting criticism, which seems to be a full-time task for the talk-show host. The New York Post reports that the latest conflict with Rosie and her anti-gun views involves Jeffrey Wigand, who the paper says was praised by O'Donnell for his involvement with lawsuits against the tobacco industry. Wigand was the basis for the character in the movie "The Insider," which also received Rosie's endorsement. Wigand, however, turns out to own quite a number of firearms. Of course, this is not Rosie's first bout with criticism because of her extremist anti-gun views. She was widely criticized last year for verbally assaulting actor Tom Selleck on her show for his pro- Second Amendment and pro-NRA views (FAX Alert Vol. 6, No. 19)ùeven as she continued to receive paychecks for her roll as a spokesman for Kmart, one of the nation's largest retailers of firearms. She eventually parted ways with Kmart (FAX Alert Vol. 6, No. 46), but her attacks on NRA and our Right to Keep and Bear Arms continued. She joined the MMM this year on
