CS: Misc-No bangs, no smoking guns
From: David Chappell - UK, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Israeli silent but deadly MOSSAD used to be very fond of Ruger's semi auto .22 RF pistol with integral suppresor. Mind you, they did get up close. I also understand that it was used for special ops in Vietnam as well. David. -- I thought it was the High Standard. The US banned exports of suppressors because of the Israelis, another effective gun law, as per usual. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-No bangs, no smoking guns
From: "Richard Loweth", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interestingly at the beginning of WWII Parker-Hale were contracted to make, and did, a number of silenced Winchester .22LR rifles for the war Office. I believe that they were for the Home Guard "Special Units" tasked with assassination and sabotage should the country have been successfully invaded. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-No bangs, no smoking guns
From: "jim.craig", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mmmm. Wonder if this ties in with tales I've been hearing that the British Army having been looking at extremely high powered pneumatic airguns as possible riot control tools. Seems the idea is to use a solid rubber projectile of higher calibre than the usual airgun pellets which are generally .177 or .22. This, it is said ,would inflict a painful and possibly disabling injury from ranges out to 200 metres and with modern airgun technology,and good scopes, be capable of being delivered with considerable accuracy over that kind of range. They would be used from concealed positions to the rear of the front line bods to pick out 'leaders' or paarticularly active rioters and give them a smart rap on a sensitive spot to discourage such activities. It wouldn't carry the stigma of firearms use and would be a deal more selective than the more usual baton roundand I suppose that a more lethal projectile could be substituted if absolutely required. i doubt if the Israelis have too many concerns about the PR aspects though and suspect that they would be more likely to go for a lethal option from the outset. -- There already is such a device, I've seen them in France. It fires a rubber ball about 35mm in diameter with a slit down one side. It has a side-mounted magazine which holds four or five rounds as I recall. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-No bangs, no smoking guns
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Times 17.10.00 > No bangs, no smoking guns: victims just fell and bled > > SAM KILEY IN RAMALLAH > > ISRAELI snipers using specialised rifles fitted with >silencers yesterday picked off high-profile Palestinian >rioters in Ramallah in an apparent bid to "take out" > --snip-- > By sunset, the toll across the West Bank was two >dead - a boy of 13 and a policeman - a 14-year old boy >described as clinically dead, and 69 wounded. > > _ > > Subsonic/heavy bullet fullbore or .22 rimfire? > > Rusty >-- >Dunno. A suppressed .223 seems the most likely, 22mm >would be huge, although having said that it could be >suppressed more easily as you could still have something >very lethal that is subsonic. > >Steve. Steve, If the rounds they are using have been worked up to make them subsonic after a certain distance, yet have a suppressor to muffle the muzzle discharge, then they could well be farther away than some think. However, to be working up close and personal, that would seem to make the rounds subsonic with a good noise suppressor. If, as J.S. Hatcher noted (Hatcher's Notebook) that noise suppressors use with supersonic rounds are essentially a waste of time -- since the bullet will defeat that, then there is another set of factors here to be considered. ET -- It does depend on how far away they were, the sound of the gun going off might not carry that far. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
