Re: setup.. release ready?

[Robert Collins]

On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 08:37, Max Bowsher wrote:


> > Well, a command line 'off' switch will do the job. It will require
> > conscious decision.. yep, I'm happy with that.
> >
> > It can go in the next release, which currently has:
> > * post install logging
> > * Pierre's new security updates
> ^
> 
> No, they haven't been committed yet. Check "cvs diff -r2.340 -rHEAD
> ChangeLog".

I know they haven't. We haven't branched setup-200304 yet either, which
(hopefully) the next release will be.

> > * New icon sizes
> > * resizable chooser (? if we get the split out patches in the next week
> > or so)
> 
> Not resizable. Just bigger.
> 
> And on that timescale, I can do the md5-on-install-not-on-cachescan thing.

Ok, so you are ok then with the current snapshot being released. Cool...

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Re: setup.. release ready?

[Max Bowsher]

Robert Collins wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 07:51, John Morrison wrote:
>
>>> I'm waiting to hear back from Max as to whether he intends to offer a
>>> patch (and if so, when & to do what) for the local cache MD5 checks, but
>>> AFAIK thats the only current delay.
>>
>> I also would like to be able to switch off the local cache md5sums,
>> most of my co-workers do a 'local' install from a shared directory
>> (*very* restrictive firewall at work).
>
> That shouldn't prevent you using a local mirror though. Does it prevent
> you using a local mirror?
>
>> HOWEVER, I'm not against releasing setup as stands (it has far
>> too many improvements) if a release with a fix for this was OK'd
>> fairly soon after a patch (commandline off switch?) was checked
>> in.
>
> Well, a command line 'off' switch will do the job. It will require
> conscious decision.. yep, I'm happy with that.
>
> It can go in the next release, which currently has:
> * post install logging
> * Pierre's new security updates
^

No, they haven't been committed yet. Check "cvs diff -r2.340 -rHEAD
ChangeLog".

> * New icon sizes
> * resizable chooser (? if we get the split out patches in the next week
> or so)

Not resizable. Just bigger.

And on that timescale, I can do the md5-on-install-not-on-cachescan thing.


Max.

RE: setup.. release ready?

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, John Morrison wrote:

> > From: Robert Collins
> >
> > That shouldn't prevent you using a local mirror though. Does it prevent
> > you using a local mirror?
>
> humm, nooo that would work, the only
> (minor) complication then would be that folks would need to keep
> the cygwin cache stuff on their machines as well as the setup app
> (at the moment, everything is stored on my machine which folks using
> setup via the share too) which, being a (predominate) Microsoft shop
> might make folks less likely to want to install cygwin...

John,

It's named a "cache" for a reason.  They don't *need* to keep it, they
could just blow it away after every installation.  In fact, there's
another command-line option that would be useful for shops that keep local
mirrors...

> Question: are there any instructions on how to setup a local mirror?
> do I have to merge the two setup.ini files I get from the internet
> mirrors?  Do I have to run a webserver? (I do anyway, but...)

Yes, you do have to run a web- (or ftp-, or rsync) server.  You will have
to create a (or modify an existing) setup.ini, so that it contains the
information about all the packages that you have on the local mirror
(which will allow you to also provide older or newer packages, as well as
more than 2-3 versions of each package).

> [snip]

Hope this helps,
Igor
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RE: setup.. release ready?

[John Morrison]

> From: Robert Collins
> 
> That shouldn't prevent you using a local mirror though. Does it prevent
> you using a local mirror?

humm, nooo that would work, the only
(minor) complication then would be that folks would need to keep
the cygwin cache stuff on their machines as well as the setup app
(at the moment, everything is stored on my machine which folks using
setup via the share too) which, being a (predominate) Microsoft shop
might make folks less likely to want to install cygwin...

Question: are there any instructions on how to setup a local mirror?
do I have to merge the two setup.ini files I get from the internet
mirrors?  Do I have to run a webserver? (I do anyway, but...) 

> > HOWEVER, I'm not against releasing setup as stands (it has far
> > too many improvements) if a release with a fix for this was OK'd
> > fairly soon after a patch (commandline off switch?) was checked
> > in.
> 
> Well, a command line 'off' switch will do the job. It will require
> conscious decision.. yep, I'm happy with that.

:)

J.

RE: setup.. release ready?

[Robert Collins]

On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 07:51, John Morrison wrote:

> > I'm waiting to hear back from Max as to whether he intends to offer a
> > patch (and if so, when & to do what) for the local cache MD5 checks, but
> > AFAIK thats the only current delay.
> 
> I also would like to be able to switch off the local cache md5sums,
> most of my co-workers do a 'local' install from a shared directory
> (*very* restrictive firewall at work).

That shouldn't prevent you using a local mirror though. Does it prevent
you using a local mirror?

> HOWEVER, I'm not against releasing setup as stands (it has far
> too many improvements) if a release with a fix for this was OK'd
> fairly soon after a patch (commandline off switch?) was checked
> in.

Well, a command line 'off' switch will do the job. It will require
conscious decision.. yep, I'm happy with that.

It can go in the next release, which currently has:
* post install logging
* Pierre's new security updates
* New icon sizes
* resizable chooser (? if we get the split out patches in the next week
or so)

slated for it.

Rob

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RE: setup.. release ready?

[John Morrison]

> From: Robert Collins
> On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 07:13, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> > On 5 Apr 2003, Robert Collins wrote:
> 
> > > Why? It was reported on the current released setup. It's not a
> > > regression therefore.
> > 
> > Ok, you're correct.  As long as we can recommend that certain 
> people try a
> > snapshot...  No objections on my part.
> 
> Cool. And we can push to release the next version quickly, as we will
> have a good handle on what changed, so it should need less testing and
> be easier to manage the release.
> 
> I'm waiting to hear back from Max as to whether he intends to offer a
> patch (and if so, when & to do what) for the local cache MD5 checks, but
> AFAIK thats the only current delay.

I also would like to be able to switch off the local cache md5sums,
most of my co-workers do a 'local' install from a shared directory
(*very* restrictive firewall at work).

HOWEVER, I'm not against releasing setup as stands (it has far
too many improvements) if a release with a fix for this was OK'd
fairly soon after a patch (commandline off switch?) was checked
in.

How's that sound?

J.

(just going to bed, will catchup on the rest of the thread
 tomorrow ;)

Re: setup.. release ready?

[Robert Collins]

On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 07:13, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> On 5 Apr 2003, Robert Collins wrote:

> > Why? It was reported on the current released setup. It's not a
> > regression therefore.
> > Rob
> 
> Ok, you're correct.  As long as we can recommend that certain people try a
> snapshot...  No objections on my part.

Cool. And we can push to release the next version quickly, as we will
have a good handle on what changed, so it should need less testing and
be easier to manage the release.

I'm waiting to hear back from Max as to whether he intends to offer a
patch (and if so, when & to do what) for the local cache MD5 checks, but
AFAIK thats the only current delay.

Cheers,
Rob

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Re: setup.. release ready?

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On 5 Apr 2003, Robert Collins wrote:

> On Sat, [EMAIL PROTECTED]:52, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> > On 4 Apr 2003, Robert Collins wrote:
> >
> > > So, while we have a few quirks, we have no regressions now.
> > >
> > > Any last objections from the crowd here to my marking 2.340.2.4 as
> > > released?
> > > Rob
> >
> >  looks like a release
> > blocker to me...
>
> Why? It was reported on the current released setup. It's not a
> regression therefore.
> Rob

Ok, you're correct.  As long as we can recommend that certain people try a
snapshot...  No objections on my part.
Igor
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Re: setup.. release ready?

[Robert Collins]

On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 01:52, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> On 4 Apr 2003, Robert Collins wrote:
> 
> > So, while we have a few quirks, we have no regressions now.
> >
> > Any last objections from the crowd here to my marking 2.340.2.4 as
> > released?
> > Rob
> 
>  looks like a release
> blocker to me...

Why? It was reported on the current released setup. It's not a
regression therefore.

Rob

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Re: setup.. release ready?

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On 4 Apr 2003, Robert Collins wrote:

> So, while we have a few quirks, we have no regressions now.
>
> Any last objections from the crowd here to my marking 2.340.2.4 as
> released?
> Rob

 looks like a release
blocker to me...
Igor
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Re: setup.. release ready?

[Robert Collins]

On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 19:15, Max Bowsher wrote:
> Robert Collins wrote:
> > So, while we have a few quirks, we have no regressions now.
> >
> > Any last objections from the crowd here to my marking 2.340.2.4 as
> > released?
> 
> Yep.
> 
> The lengthy forced MD5 checking in local mode *will* cause lots of
> complaints.
> 
> It should be considered a release blocker due to the volume of complaints it
> will cause - it could even be said to a be a regression in usability.

Well, it's there because we don't know that the local files are intact.
As I said, I'll consider patches.

If you want me to delay releasing setup, tell me when you expect to have
a patch ready.

Rob

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Re: setup.. release ready?

[Max Bowsher]

Robert Collins wrote:
> So, while we have a few quirks, we have no regressions now.
>
> Any last objections from the crowd here to my marking 2.340.2.4 as
> released?

Yep.

The lengthy forced MD5 checking in local mode *will* cause lots of
complaints.

It should be considered a release blocker due to the volume of complaints it
will cause - it could even be said to a be a regression in usability.



Max.

setup.. release ready?

[Robert Collins]

So, while we have a few quirks, we have no regressions now.

Any last objections from the crowd here to my marking 2.340.2.4 as
released?

Rob


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