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On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 05:02:17PM -0800, Tim May wrote: At 7:48 PM -0500 12/6/00, Trei, Peter wrote: [ .. ] Anyone else suspect that the original message (from a throw-away yahoo account) is a troll, and wonder if Tim might have been the author? I have suspected this in the past over some postings but the ip address in the headers looks legit. Received: from [194.170.1.68] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 $ whois 194.170.1.68 route: 194.170.0.0/16 descr: Emirates Telecommunications Corporation Sheikh Zayed II Street P.O. Box 3838 Abu Dhabi United Arab Emirates Rasha sounds like the typical illiterate student who has to take remedial English upon her arrival at Beaver College. I had a roommate in college who was one of these types, having to take the equivalent of "English for Dummies." He couldn't spell, he couldn't construct a sentence, and he couldn't read worth a damn. Although I dislike, as ever, Tim's tone in these matters he has, as he often does, a valid point hidden under his bitterness and his experience at an American university is similar to my own, more recent, experiences at English universities. In a basic course that purported to teach "economics" (actually a dumbed down blend of vague sociology and Keynesianism) the majority of students were foreign and had a poor grasp of the English language. The level of debate was poor and the lecturer had an easy job. I am not racist against foreign students and think poking fun at poor English isn't constructive (they generally speak English better than I speak their own language) but there seems to me something basically broken about a system which doesn't teach basic English _before_ trying to teach complex ideas in that language. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] gravity cannot be held responsible for people falling in love. -- albert einstein
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At 10:27 AM + 12/7/00, Steve Mynott wrote: On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 05:02:17PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Rasha sounds like the typical illiterate student who has to take remedial English upon her arrival at Beaver College. I had a roommate in college who was one of these types, having to take the equivalent of "English for Dummies." He couldn't spell, he couldn't construct a sentence, and he couldn't read worth a damn. Although I dislike, as ever, Tim's tone in these matters he has, as he often does, a valid point hidden under his bitterness and his experience at an American university is similar to my own, more recent, experiences at English universities. In a basic course that purported to teach "economics" (actually a dumbed down blend of vague sociology and Keynesianism) the majority of students were foreign and had a poor grasp of the English language. The level of debate was poor and the lecturer had an easy job. I am not racist against foreign students and think poking fun at poor English isn't constructive (they generally speak English better than I speak their own language) but there seems to me something basically broken about a system which doesn't teach basic English _before_ trying to teach complex ideas in that language. Nor am I a racist. I don't even believe the concept of "race" is a meaningful one. After all, the latest evidence from mitochondrial DNA studies is that nearly everyone in the world is descended from a group which was in Africa about 50,000 years ago. A mere blink of an eye. However, I believe people and groups of people, through their culture, vary in their approach to education. Few can dispute that Jews are very strongly represented in medicine, law, science, and professions in general...and underrepresented in sports, for example. Few can dispute the opposite about blacks, at least in America. There are well-known _cultural_ reasons for this. Without even giving the ethnic group for these statements, it is obvious which ones they belong to: "My son, the _doctor_." "Books are for whiteys." The role of culture is readily apparent at public libraries in Silicon Valley. Large numbers of Asians, men and women, usually in couples, with large numbers of Asian children hauling armloads of books. And Asian children dominate the science fairs, the engineering programs. (The Vietnamese do especially well. This was noticeable to many of us as early as 1980-83, when the Valedictorians and Salutatorians--the top students--at area high schools were largely "boat people." These BPs had "floated under the Golden Gate Bridge in rafts," as I like to say, and yet several years later they had mastered enough English to dominate their high schools. It was seeing this that finished off any sympathy I had that black and Mexican students were failing because they hadn't mastered English, blah blah blah. I realized it was culture, pressure from parents, and desire to succeed.) One could look at the success of blacks who are from the West Indies, and who tend to be academically-oriented, to see that culture is more important than race. Many blacks from the Dominican Republic, even dirt-poor Haiti, are doctors and lawyers. The issue remains culture. Perhaps a remnant of slavery, perhaps a remnant of the plantation lifetstyle. Whatever. They must change this culture. Whitey and Big Brother can't do it for them. The black family in America is fragmented, drug use is rampant, children are strongly, strongly discouraged by their peers and their mothers (the fathers are absent, in most cases) from academically excelling. A culture of "deliberate slacking," like a union shop that is on a work slowdown. Those who excel, academically, are seen as "white inside" with a variety of deprecating names applied to them. Obviously this is not true in all cases. There are black scientists and black doctors, and there are Jewish tramps and winos, Asian drug dealers. But the "distributions" basically fit what I have described. And many black intellectuals, dismissed by other blacks as Unca Toms and "race traitors," are saying the same thing with increasing concern about their culture. Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, many others. Biologically, it is just plain crazy to think that groups which only recently scattered into Europe, Japan, Australia, and other corners of the world have evolved different brain structures. They haven't. But cultures can change in the blink of an eye, in a few decades. This is what is at issue. Call me a culturalist, but not a racist. Correlation is not causation. --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
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At 4:02 PM -0800 12/6/00, IT IS SHOOOSH wrote: Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha Daer Reciever Rasha, i am happi you r a stuend. amrika needs good stuends. baste on yur speling, i think u shuld becum a teecher. --tim -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
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Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: At 4:02 PM -0800 12/6/00, IT IS SHOOOSH wrote: Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha Daer Reciever Rasha, i am happi you r a stuend. amrika needs good stuends. baste on yur speling, i think u shuld becum a teecher. --tim Anyone else suspect that the original message (from a throw-away yahoo account) is a troll, and wonder if Tim might have been the author? [Tim, perhaps you're not, but replying so quickly in this manner to the original message (which is a canonical example of the way you satirize uneducated blacks) is suspicious to say the least :-] Peter
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Trei, Peter wrote: Anyone else suspect that the original message (from a throw-away yahoo account) is a troll, and wonder if Tim might have been the author? [Tim, perhaps you're not, but replying so quickly in this manner to the original message (which is a canonical example of the way you satirize uneducated blacks) is suspicious to say the least :-] For some reason I am reminded of a line from the movie _A Shoggoth On The Roof_ (yes, there is such a beastie.): "Every one of us has a shoggoth on the roof. Not a metaphorical shoggoth, but a REAL Shoggoth! And how does he stay there you might ask? TENTACLES!" [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen| to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame."
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At 7:48 PM -0500 12/6/00, Trei, Peter wrote: Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: At 4:02 PM -0800 12/6/00, IT IS SHOOOSH wrote: Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha Daer Reciever Rasha, i am happi you r a stuend. amrika needs good stuends. baste on yur speling, i think u shuld becum a teecher. --tim Anyone else suspect that the original message (from a throw-away yahoo account) is a troll, and wonder if Tim might have been the author? [Tim, perhaps you're not, but replying so quickly in this manner to the original message (which is a canonical example of the way you satirize uneducated blacks) is suspicious to say the least :-] First, this is not how I satirize uneducated--or even educated--blacks. I didn't use any ebonics code words, nor did I mention niggaz, crack hoes, or welfare entitlements. Rasha sounds like the typical illiterate student who has to take remedial English upon her arrival at Beaver College. I had a roommate in college who was one of these types, having to take the equivalent of "English for Dummies." He couldn't spell, he couldn't construct a sentence, and he couldn't read worth a damn. And that was 29 years ago. At a UC campus. I expect that standards have declined even further since then, especially as college has now become just an extension of high school. In fact, I expect that a lot of places like Beaver College, Lower Ohio River Valley State College, and Yankton Practical University are all being swamped by illiterate and innumerate students who barely graduated from their already-abysmal high schools. When a university education is an entitlement, gud stuends like Rasha are the result. --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
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What kind of fucking mailing list is this? - Original Message - From: "IT IS SHOOOSH" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:02 PM Subject: hi Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Islam M. Guemey wrote: What kind of fucking mailing list is this? No, I'm sorry. If you wanted a fucking mailing list you're in the wrong place. There are plenty of lists devoted to fucking, but this isn't one of them. This list is devoted to cryptography and its geopolitical implications. Sorry about the mixup. Bear, Mildly annoyed by mindless dweebs who use "fucking" as though it meant something bad
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At 05:14 PM 12/6/00 -0800, Alan Olsen wrote: For some reason I am reminded of a line from the movie _A Shoggoth On The Roof_ (yes, there is such a beastie.): "Every one of us has a shoggoth on the roof. Not a metaphorical shoggoth, but a REAL Shoggoth! And how does he stay there you might ask? TENTACLES!" YOW! Where can I find it? (Or how do I keep the Shoggoth from finding me?)(Oh. Not mentioning its name.)(Oh..) ]-9028iu3r =EQ-WSD9A0fc8zuedxtg v-=]3wr14508eux[;colf8itjmkqsvA] zx=]F\QSF*$q(*iztfg v\3-=Wqa(zidxcz0po[ikf]3-wpe[o04pirdfx=[] 0-p3iwsdARECfo0jygvh5]-9r3ud -g]94yut793]1q vt57575758yrtg043=qierg[vkrc kc=re[dsqaacdrsxz~~~
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I'll guarantee you one thing, nobody on this list knows a damn thing about fucking. You've come to the wrong place. MacN On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Islam M. Guemey wrote: What kind of fucking mailing list is this? - Original Message - From: "IT IS SHOOOSH" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:02 PM Subject: hi Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
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What does this look like, homework "R" us?! Please enlighten us as to which university you are going to, so we can forward your mail to the English department: it sounds like they could use a good housecleaning. As for seatbelts: I would suggest that you never use one yourself--perhaps we can all be so lucky as to see you dead on the side of the road. Perhaps we could even hold a cotillion on your grave. On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, IT IS SHOOOSH wrote: Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- Pardon me, but you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Amateur ;P~~~ 1 for effort, but 0 for style. On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Islam M. Guemey wrote: What kind of fucking mailing list is this? - Original Message - From: "IT IS SHOOOSH" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:02 PM Subject: hi Daer Reciever... i am a stuend in an American University... and i am taking a public speaking course... i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my audience that seatbelts are not safe as we thought...there is a stydu done recently in England that showed that... i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more thank you Rasha __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- Pardon me, but you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Is there any way for the list owner to set up a filter to check whether incoming mail is from accounts signed up on the list? I know the From field can be spoofed, but anything to increase the signal to noise ration would be appreciated. -Original Message- From: Colin McDuff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 3:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hi You dont know me but I got this e-mail address from a search on child porn! I don't know if you and your online "friends" where just descusing it or whether you use it. If you use it could you e-mail me back wit pics as proof and I will e-mail back with some pics and a few web addresses Friend Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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At 8:30 AM -0700 6/28/00, Frates, Jarrod A wrote: Is there any way for the list owner to set up a filter to check whether incoming mail is from accounts signed up on the list? I know the From field can be spoofed, but anything to increase the signal to noise ration would be appreciated. Yes, of course it is possible to do this. Many lists are already thusly limited to subscribers. For example, coderpunks, cryptography, fight-censorship, cyberia-l, etc. However, as the archives will clearly show, the Cypherpunks list/lists have historically not been restricted in this way. One of the reasons is to ensure that remailed messages can reach the list. (There are ways this could still be done, even by restricting posts to subscribers. For example, "subscribers OR anything from any remailer site." Or even anything with the word "anonymous" or "anonymizer" or "cypherpunk" in the "From:" field. Or, as several folks have suggested, anythink with a keyword in the headers.) As for the kiddie porn request (included below), this is just the logical extension of the cops and narcs who are trolling this list when they got no meaningful response to their "can u dewdz help me make bombz?" trolls. Unfortunately, cops are exempt from the laws when they solicit for sex, offer child porn, sell drugs to people, plan break-ins, and even arrange bombings. "Entrapment," hell, they are often the _ringleaders_ in planning terrorist activities! No free country can allow its cops and narcs to behave this way. Imprison most of them, execute many of them. --Tim May -Original Message- From: Colin McDuff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 3:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hi You dont know me but I got this e-mail address from a search on child porn! I don't know if you and your online "friends" where just descusing it or whether you use it. If you use it could you e-mail me back wit pics as proof and I will e-mail back with some pics and a few web addresses Friend Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
