Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
Ray Dillinger writes: > I've composed a dozen responses, considered the subpeona and the trial > that could result from posting each, and wiped them. There's your > "chilling effect on political discussion" if you're interested. This > one, I'm going to post, so I'm being very careful what I say. If only there was some technology that would let you post, and say whatever you wanted... something that cypherpunks might have invented... something that would provide you a shield so that even unpopular speech can be presented with little fear of retribution. If only. Well, maybe someday. > The focus of the US intel community is shifting, at the current time, > to "domestic terrorism". That makes political speech of the kind > which has in past years been entirely normal on this list orders > of magnitude more dangerous to the participants than it was at that > time. Taking part in this discussion in a style "traditional" for > this list could be very dangerous. Remember, one out of every > fifty Americans is in jail, and if you think you're in the most > radical two percent of the population, there are implications, > aren't there? According to http://www.msnbc.com/news/602062.asp: "Between 1990 and 2000, the rate of Americans who were imprisoned skyrocketed -- from 1 in every 218 Americans to 1 in every 142. That translated to over 1,500 additional inmates each week. Over 3 percent of the U.S. population was in the corrections system." Most of these are black, so if you're white you're not affected so much. > Now, I shan't be participating in the rest of this thread, I don't > think. Instead, I shall spend my time writing code. Code which I > do not intend to release in a form traceable back to me. I encourage > those who can, to do the same. And who is the one posting under his own name?
Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
On Tuesday, August 28, 2001, at 02:37 PM, Duncan Frissell wrote: >> It remains a challenge to identify groups that are both (A) wealthy, >> (B) >> in need of anonymity technologies, and (C) morally acceptable to >> support. >> Freedom fighters don't fit all that well, in today's world. > > Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hutus, Tutsis, Vietnamese, Chinese, Russians, > Commodities traders, Branch Davidians, homosexuals, hetrosexuals > > I could go on for pages but I'm telnetting. > > Some members of all of those groups have satisfied your somewhat > arbitrary requirements at various times and in various places in the > last > 60 years. I posted a list half a dozen years ago of "enemies of the people." Quakers, Mormons, homosexuals, Protestants, Catholics, and on and on...my CFP slide listed about a hundred. Search engines may turn it up. I would do the search myself, except I'm fed up with posting such information and not even having twits like Aimee Farr even read the oldest and most basic documents. (Her recent horrified reaction to very basic points is illustratative of her ignorance.) --Tim May
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Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
Nomen says: > bin Laden and the IRA have plenty of money, but will many cypherpunks agree with their politics? It's hard to believe that anyone thinks that if the IRA or bin Laden were to succeed in their goals, that they would put in place a kindler and gentler state. It remains a challenge to identify groups that are both (A) wealthy, (B) in need of anonymity technologies, and (C) morally acceptable to support. Freedom fighters don't fit all that well, in today's world. What total bullshit -- And what's that previous bs about drug cartels being morally unacceptable? Drug dealers are heros in today's world, we need to take lessons from them. Look how they deal with judges and prosecutors down in Columbia -- works for me! Seems like a real Good Thing@ in light of Jim Bell, Brian West, etc. Why do you say Osama bin Laden is not our friend? The enemy of my enemy is my friend, not so? Osama has no interest in taking over the US, just in cutting off the head of the snake. Sounds like a great idea. The IRA wants to kick the Brits out of Ireland, another good idea, should have happened long ago. IRA are great patriots. So is bin Laden, so am I. Maybe we could develop tools that the drug cartels would pay for, or bin Laden, and that all mankind would benefit from. Maybe they could pay for them by killing judges and prosecutors here for us. Seems like a fair trade.
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RE: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
> I've composed a dozen responses, considered the subpeona and the trial > that could result from posting each, and wiped them. There's your > "chilling effect on political discussion" if you're interested. This > one, I'm going to post, so I'm being very careful what I say. > > For most of the list participants, a simple, direct word: > > The focus of the US intel community is shifting, at the current time, > to "domestic terrorism". That makes political speech of the kind So you are suggesting that, because of the fear for one's life and rented property, posters shut the fuck up and don't make waves ? Isn't that the *goal* and raison d'etre of TLAs ? So, to join fingerpointing on this e-mail list (like in "not a movement"), it seems that you, JYA and others cautioning about imminent arrests are furthering the cause of TLAs, and therefore probably are their contractors, no ? = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
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RE: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
> Didn't you already sign on? Surely through your careful study of the > archives you know that one of the founding documents for this list is > Tim's "Crypto Anarchist Manifesto". It's practically the charter. > See, for example, > http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Crypto_misc/cryptoanarchist.manifesto > > - GH No. There wasn't even a clickwrap. ~Aimee
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RE: 2:3 ain't bad
Mike said: > > It remains a challenge to identify groups that are both (A) wealthy, (B) > > in need of anonymity technologies, and (C) morally acceptable > to support. > > Freedom fighters don't fit all that well, in today's world. > > > Corporate Executives A, B, sort of C I have reason to think you would find _considerable_ interest. However, they want a complete solution with a personal touch. ~Aimee
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RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison
DF wrote: >They need an overt act. Mere chat won't be enough. True, to a point. What constitutes an act appears to be going through a dramatic redefinition in cybercrime and allegedly terrorist-related actions. An overt act is not the same for everyone; authorities commit acts (crimes) that the rest of us cannot. And according to the IRS investigation manual it is fair game: to encourage such blurred-line-crossing actions, even taking part in them to vet the promoter; to lie and deceive to get the actions underway; to lie in court to conceal how it was done and who promoted the actions. In the light that another reported has been subpoenaed for notes it worth pondering if, as in the case of Bell and CJ, journalists played a role in promoting line-crossing behavior, not by doing the job they are known to do, but by redefinition of the blurred line between reporting and provoking. Neither Bell nor CJ would have been sent to prison without the complicity of the media, witting or unwitting, and in my opinion, witting moreso. Same goes for this list, which is for me, a member of the media, and no doubt a member of other conclaves yet to be revealed in court and to be sure the hypermedia -- that is the media in which there is a very blurred line (maybe none at all) between the authorities and the traditional media. Look, this swipe is not about Declan and the guy at Bell's trial. That is far too simple. What it is about is not taking for granted avowals of innocence of trusted third parties no matter what cloak they wear, for those TTP cloaks are now clearly being used to entrap gullible actors. And any of the TTPs who say this is paranoid have got a problem of credibility derived primarily from the overly-concerted effort to protect their own privilege even as they shop their subjects as mere news, not quite getting the full story right due to a blinding reliance on voices (grammar, syntax, coherency, narrative) of authority which sound just like the authorities -- ducks quacking like ducks. To not blindly tar everyone with this, I concede that those who have overtly proven they are trustworthy and continue to do so overtly, that is in public under fire, deserve a chance on trust on short-terms. Talk about deserving trust from any previleged position is just authoritarian talk. And citing how many of your fellows have been thrown in jail or suffered for their role aint worth shit unless you are one of them. Then your talk aint all quack.
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> It remains a challenge to identify groups that are both (A) wealthy, (B) > in need of anonymity technologies, and (C) morally acceptable to support. > Freedom fighters don't fit all that well, in today's world. > Corporate Executives A, B, sort of C
RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, John Young wrote: > Tanner's courtroom, she's very dirty. Jeff and Rob and the > undercover agents behaved exactly the same and > relished displaying the effect of their sucker punches > to the jury. But that's no excuse for JB not sucker punching back. The only reason for running your own defense is so that you can get nastier in cross-ex than a lawyer can. If you can't do it, you're better off having a lawyer do everything. I think JB had the worst of both worlds - a lawyer who he alternately ignored and fought with. I wasn't there but just an impression. > Anybody who has been responding to Aimee's emails in a > manner that has her name in the To: is fucked, but the > same is true if you didn't do that but decided instead > to eat her bait and flaunt your superior intelligence. I think Jeff used up all the low-hanging fruit on the list. Anyone else he goes after comes expensive. Maybe Choate but would he really be worth it. Anyone with half a brain could put on a stronger defense than the two previous victims. We either have the money or the emotional resources to corral a defense. CJ & JB didn't really even try. For example, neither got real lawyers. > I figure there is more than one operation underway here, > and not all of them know what the others are doing. Christ, > the feeding is so bountiful they're probably shiteating each > other's. Which is what happens when cybercrimebusters > have resources beyond their abilities. They need an overt act. Mere chat won't be enough. DCF Do under others as they would do unto themselves. -- The First Rule of MetaLaw. The problem with the Golden Rule is that tastes may differ.
Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
> It remains a challenge to identify groups that are both (A) wealthy, (B) > in need of anonymity technologies, and (C) morally acceptable to support. > Freedom fighters don't fit all that well, in today's world. Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hutus, Tutsis, Vietnamese, Chinese, Russians, Commodities traders, Branch Davidians, homosexuals, hetrosexuals I could go on for pages but I'm telnetting. Some members of all of those groups have satisfied your somewhat arbitrary requirements at various times and in various places in the last 60 years. DCF If you want to get rid of communists in government jobs; get rid of the government jobs. - Frank Chodorov.
Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
On Tuesday, August 28, 2001, at 8:04 AM, Tim May wrote: > On Monday, August 27, 2001, at 11:20 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote: > > On Monday, August 27, 2001, at 12:56 PM, Tim May wrote: > >> On Monday, August 27, 2001, at 12:40 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote: > >>> "Freedom fighters in communist-controlled regimes." How much money > >>> do they have? More importantly, how much are they willing and able to > >>> spend on anonymity/privacy/black-market technologies? These guys > >>> aren't > >>> rolling in dough. > >> > >> The IRA and the Real IRA have a lot of money, as the Brits have been > >> complaining about recently. Osama bin Laden is said to control more > >> than > >> a billion dollars. And so on. I disagree with you assertion that "these > >> guys aren't rolling in dough." > > > > Members of the IRA are not freedom fighters in a communist-controlled > > country. bin Laden did fall under that definition when he was fighting > > to get the Russians out of Afghanistan but that was a long time ago. > > Now he's opposing American influence in Saudi Arabia. > > Your reading comprehension sucks. I gave half a dozen _examples_, one of > them "freedom fighters in communist-controlled regimes" and you assume > this is the only kind of freedom fighter being talked about. No point in > carrying on a conversation with this breathtaking display of literalism. The reason why "in communist-controlled regimes" is relevant is because you advanced it as an example of MORALLY acceptable use of technology (presuming that most readers will oppose communism). The objection was raised, yes, it is moral, but is it profitable? There are not many communist-opposed freedom fighters around today, not much money to be made there. You came back and mentioned the IRA and bin Laden. It is true, both of these are well funded. But this does not answer the objection. The point was, can you find groups that are both profitable to sell to, and morally acceptable? The latter consideration is what led to the "in communist-controlled regimes" limitation in the first place. You can't just throw that part out without losing the moral acceptability which motivated the example in the first place. bin Laden and the IRA have plenty of money, but will many cypherpunks agree with their politics? It's hard to believe that anyone thinks that if the IRA or bin Laden were to succeed in their goals, that they would put in place a kindler and gentler state. It remains a challenge to identify groups that are both (A) wealthy, (B) in need of anonymity technologies, and (C) morally acceptable to support. Freedom fighters don't fit all that well, in today's world.
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Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
>Members of the IRA are not freedom fighters in a communist-controlled >country. bin Laden did fall under that definition when he was fighting The naivety of poster is appaling. I hope that "freedom fighters" in a "communist-controlled country" is used as a placeholder for "something good as positive" but I wouldn't bet on it. Apparently ability to spell "crypto" does not imply political sapiense beyond that of inbred pigfucking redneck from Alabama (this is a place holder). You guys just want to do good things, like spreading crypto, right, without bothering much to figure out who's who on the planet. I have seen more intelligent dicourses on global politics and society on late night shopping channel shows than here. Fortunately crypto is good in itself. Any crypto anywhere is a good crypto.
RE: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison
Aimee Farr could be a nice lady lawyer who just appeared here by serendip or a ... MS shiteater operating under the entrapment rules of IRS investigation manual. Speaking what my nose tells me about Aimee's taunts and ear licks here, and after smelling the shit spread in Tanner's courtroom, she's very dirty. Jeff and Rob and the undercover agents behaved exactly the same and relished displaying the effect of their sucker punches to the jury. Anybody who has been responding to Aimee's emails in a manner that has her name in the To: is fucked, but the same is true if you didn't do that but decided instead to eat her bait and flaunt your superior intelligence. According to the IRS manual she's working with associates here ricocheting bank shots, though the associates may be her other shiteating nyms. Me, I joke about this stuff Aimee acts way too serious about and nothing she's (or he's or they've) posted here under any nym is to be taken seriously outside a Tanner-thighslap jury rig. I figure there is more than one operation underway here, and not all of them know what the others are doing. Christ, the feeding is so bountiful they're probably shiteating each other's. Which is what happens when cybercrimebusters have resources beyond their abilities.
Re: Thinking About the Crypto Unthinkable
Tim wrote: >Well, good luck. I disagree. I can't see someone coming out of a Ph.D. >program in "super analysis" being magically endowed with the skills to >influence policy. There's nothing magical about it: I never said any amount of formal education is "guaranteed" to do a thing for you--it is very much where you are, who you know, and what you can get them to tell you. But even in the richest of environments, if you're not making the effort to acquire fundamental analytic skills, you might as well concede that you don't "speak the language" and would be better off taking the "capitol hill ho" route instead. Which is odious--and overrated, I might add. >An obvious point that perhaps needs to be emphasized: all of those >scientist-policy wonks we have discussed were first and foremost >brilliant scientists. Absolutely. But they all shared a certain mindset which made them far more than that, the whole point of bringing them up in the first place. Is that something anyone can teach you? Probably not. Does it depend on having an extremely high IQ and a lot of innate raw potential? You bet. But once you make the decision that there's something to be gained by demanding a lot from yourself, you need to find the right kind of program to facilitate getting you where you need to be to best further your ideas. And as far as I can tell, for me, the "super analyst" approach is the way to go. If you have any other suggestions I'd be glad to hear them. There's no lack of smart cypherpunk-friendly lawyers, but brilliant pro- freedom policy analysts are in short supply. If more people here at least considered this an option, I think it would be a good thing. ~Faustine.
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Sigh. The FBI buggers convinced Nicky Da Judge to let them slide. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/21296.html FBI let off cyber snooping hook By Kieren McCarthy Posted: 28/08/2001 at 10:41 GMT The FBI has been let of the hook in its court case against mobster Nicodemo Scarfo. US District Judge Nicholas Politan has now ruled that the Bureau will not have to reveal precisely how it managed to log evidence that Mr Scarfo was involved in illegal gambling and loan sharking. Mr Scarfo's lawyers claim that the FBI bugged him without possession of a bugging warrant and so the evidence it gathered is inadmissible in court since it was obtained illegally. Previously Judge Politan said the FBI would have to reveal how it managed to bug Mr Scarfo's computer after it had failed to unscramble encrypted files on his computer. Not unreasonably, the judge said that for him to decide whether it had been obtained legally or not, he would have to know the method that was used. This information would have had to be given to the defence. But the US government has persuaded the judge that the defence should only get an "unclassified summary". How'd it do that? Well, would you believe it but there's some strange law that can be invoked at times such as this. This one is called the Classified Information Procedures Act - which amazingly allows information to be withheld if national security is at risk. The FBI also promised to give a secret meeting in which it would go into further details over how the system worked. The FBI installed some kind of key-logging software on Mr Scarfo's machine after it failed to crack his encryption software. Since it didn't have a warrant to bug him, Mr Scarfo's lawyers say his constitutional rights have been infringed. The FBI says the technology it is using falls under current bugging legislation but many remain unconvinced and claim the FBI is going beyond current laws. It doesn't inspire confidence either when the head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, testified to the Senate a few weeks ago that he was "not familiar" with key-logging technology. That seems about as likely as the Pope being a closet Jew, but then Robert wouldn't lie, would he? Many observers will be concerned at the failure for the American legal system to bring out into the open the unnerving possibilities that the latest technology makes available to intelligence agencies. . Related Stories FBI chief Mueller lied to Senate about key-logging Mafia trial to test FBI psying tactics
RE: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
Mike: > > Just out of curiosity, how many of you would sign on to a > project like that? > > Would you please post a statement of interest, and detail how you would > > contribute to such a project? > > > > ~Aimee > > > Have the GRU list-watchers ( your handlers! ) demonstrated their power > adequately by shtomping a few punk heads? > > Has speech here been sufficiently chilled that nobody will answer? > > Or is it just a dumb question? > > Create a real project with real rewards ( both financial and idealogical > but mostly financial ) and see what kind of response you get. Why should > anyone answer a dishonest question for free? > > Mike It wasn't serious, Mike! ~Aimee
Re: Borders UK and privacy
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Bill Stewart wrote: > David Brin's book "The Transparent Society" suggests that you > might as well get used to it. Technological change driven by > the Moore's Law effects in computing power are making > video cameras and computer image processing get cheaper rapidly, > so the marginal benefit of using them doesn't have to be very high > to outweigh the marginal cost. The real issues are still getting data, On the other hand, the technology of disguise and the public taste for radical body modification and active clothing all suggest that many of us will soon be denying a useful image to the opposition. Then we won't have to worry until genetic sniffers become popular. Genetic sniffers, however can probably be defeated by devices that give off clouds of genetically random human biological material. Offense and defense back and forth forever. DCF Marshal de Vaubin -- No stronghold be ever invested stood. No position he ever defended fell.
Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Eric Cordian wrote: > The larger question is what are we going to do about it? Somehow > "Cypherpunks Write Code" doesn't quite rise to the level of an > appropriate response to these pigfuckers. The most appropriate response would seem to implement http://zolatimes.com/v2.26/jimbell.htm with the judge being the first name on the list. Getting digicash to work would be a real starter, anynymous donation submission infrastructure another step. Of course, cypherpunks are either too lazy, or to chicken for that. Eugene <-- both
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Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison
John Young writes: > Motherfucking sonsofbitching shiteaters. Of course, this is just part of the continuing trend in defining "crimes" by the subjective fantasies of a party claiming to be aggrieved. *I'M* afraid, therefore *YOU'RE* stalking. *I'M* ashamed, therefore *YOU'RE* indecent. *I'M* poor, therefore *YOU'VE* discriminated. *I'M* offended, therefore *YOUR* book is pornography. In legal circles, this bears a strong resemblance to the rightly-named "Heckler's Veto," in which a crowd deliberately misbehaves in order to have a speaker they disagree with charged with "incitement." The ultimate evolution of such nonsense is clearly the current situation in which Jeff "PussyBoy" Gordon's bad Hattie McDaniel impersonation means Jim Bell has committed a crime. Combine this with Judge Jack "Token Negro With Chip on Shoulder" Tanner's attempts to compensate for his genital inferiority by sentencing people before they commit crimes, and it is easy to see why Jim Bell can get 10 years and $10,000 for doing, as they would say on "Weakest Link," absolutely nothing. The larger question is what are we going to do about it? Somehow "Cypherpunks Write Code" doesn't quite rise to the level of an appropriate response to these pigfuckers. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
RE: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
"Aimee Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > GH wrote: > > > Nomen Nescio wrote: > > [snip] > > >The answers it gives depends on the questions you ask. If your questions > > >are simple enough (untraceability good?) then your chart will answer > > >them. If your questions are more interesting (what technologies can > > >be practically implemented and make a positive difference in the world) > > >then you need a better chart. > > > > You (and Aimee) make the mistake of assuming that all of us believe that > > we are living in the best of all possible worlds. > > *sigh* > Am I wrong or is there a latent idea here that the list members are in a position to choose whether or not these ( yes, Virginia, they're morality neutral ) privacy enhancing technolgies come to be? While the participants here may represent a large portion of those interested and capable of producing PETs they aren't the whole club. If there is a privacy and untraceability sweet spot why suppose that it is not already exploited by those with large financial gains to be made from it? Were a major drug cartel ( or a large corporation ) to decide that developing communications systems was a key factor in their continuing success it seems to me that the resources to do so would be easy to come by. Hell, they were making a pretty decent sized submarine not so long ago. I think a SW/HW product effort would be far easier to hide. There's probably a shop full of busy Russian engineers somehwere in SA right now. I don't believe that a whole battalion of Gordons could ever stop them. All that you can choose is whether you participate in creating PETs or not. > So, now, it's... > > "BlackNet; Case History of a Practically Untraceable System for Buying and > Selling Corporate and National Secrets to foreign adversaries, and to > spur the collapse of governments." > > Just out of curiosity, how many of you would sign on to a project like that? > Would you please post a statement of interest, and detail how you would > contribute to such a project? > > ~Aimee > Have the GRU list-watchers ( your handlers! ) demonstrated their power adequately by shtomping a few punk heads? Has speech here been sufficiently chilled that nobody will answer? Or is it just a dumb question? Create a real project with real rewards ( both financial and idealogical but mostly financial ) and see what kind of response you get. Why should anyone answer a dishonest question for free? Mike
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Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison
John Young writes: > Motherfucking sonsofbitching shiteaters. Of course, this is just part of the continuing trend in defining "crimes" by the subjective fantasies of a party claiming to be aggrieved. *I'M* afraid, therefore *YOU'RE* stalking. *I'M* ashamed, therefore *YOU'RE* indecent. *I'M* poor, therefore *YOU'VE* discriminated. *I'M* offended, therefore *YOUR* book is pornography. In legal circles, this bears a strong resemblance to the rightly-named "Heckler's Veto," in which a crowd deliberately misbehaves in order to have a speaker they disagree with charged with "incitement." The ultimate evolution of such nonsense is clearly the current situation in which Jeff "PussyBoy" Gordon's bad Hattie McDaniel impersonation means Jim Bell has committed a crime. Combine this with Judge Jack "Token Negro With Chip on Shoulder" Tanner's attempts to compensate for his genital inferiority by sentencing people before they commit crimes, and it is easy to see why Jim Bell can get 10 years and $10,000 for doing, as they would say on "Weakest Link," absolutely nothing. The larger question is what are we going to do about it? Somehow "Cypherpunks Write Code" doesn't quite rise to the level of an appropriate response to these pigfuckers. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
Aimee's sweet spot
At 10:42 AM 8/28/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > >"BlackNet; Case History of a Practically Untraceable System for Buying and >Selling Corporate and National Secrets to foreign adversaries, and to >spur the collapse of governments." > BlackPowder: Applied Chemistry for Defeating Knights With Swords With Application to Selling Bibles in venaculars and other Vatican Secrets allowing oppressed foreigners to join us, and to spur the collapse of feudalism.
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'PARASITIC GRID' COULD UNDERMINE WIRELESS REVENUES
Would seem it's high time trying to get Mojo and Freenet to do onion
routing, preparing for the wireless wave. Here's some work in progress on
XML-RPC interface to Mojo (identical to Freenet).
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:24:15 +0200
To: Eugene Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fwd: NewsScan Daily, 27 August 2001 ("Above The Fold")
>
>'PARASITIC GRID' COULD UNDERMINE WIRELESS REVENUES
>An underground movement is afoot to deploy free wireless access zones in
>urban areas, building on the increasing popularity of wi-fi or 802.11b
>technology -- a standard for wireless Ethernet that works on an unlicensed
>portion of the spectrum. The movement, dubbed the "parasitic grid" by some,
>is already thriving in New York, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, British
>Columbia and London. The concept is based on community-minded volunteers,
>who offer other Internet users within a certain range -- say 300 feet -- a
>"free ride" on their wireless connections. The trend is not going unnoticed
>by the large wireless carriers in these cities. "We are aware of the free
>services springing up and are considering 802.11b wireless access as well,
>not in place of currently scheduled rollouts but as an adjunct," says an
>AT&T Wireless spokesman. Meanwhile, so-called "aggregators" have developed
>software that resides in the mobile device that can find any available
>network and connect the user to it, creating, in effect, metropolitan-wide
>free networks that may ultimately compete with fee-based wireless services.
>"It would even be able to say, 'Here is a list of the networks found' and
>indicate which are free and which charge a fee," says an official at a
>company that provides 802.11b services at hotels and airports. (InfoWorld 24
>Aug 2001)
>http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/08/24/010824hnfreewireless.xml
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OK, so it's a bit late, but I was going through recent RISKS Digests. - Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:23:15 -0700 From: David Chaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Workshop on Trustworthy Elections 26-29 August 2001, Tomales Bay, California: WOTE (Workshop on Trustworthy Elections) is a small research-oriented workshop devoted to advancing technologies for election integrity and ballot secrecy, organized by David Chaum and Ronald L. Rivest. Topics include: Cryptographic protocols, computer security, audit, operational procedures, certification, tamper-resistance, document security, integrity, ballot secrecy, voter authentication, all as related to trustworthy elections. http://www.vote.caltech.edu/wote01/index.html --
RE: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
At 01:02 AM 8/28/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: >That is not my attitude at all, Reese. I obviously like Tim's Blacknet. >However, I don't like it being characterized as a subversive tool, and damn >sure not in terms that might indicate a criminal conspiracy for shopping out >secrets to Libya. The point is, if its not *good enough* for taboo activity, its not good enough for everyday uses. And of course, tools are neutral; the knife OJ dressed his ex with was not an 'evil' piece of metal. Neither are guns. As metalsmiths, we might regret how we make it easier to slice members of our species, much as as technologists we might regret that nets+crypto makes some copyright unenforcable, or how networked boxes have an unintended side-effect of lessening privacy. As the first metalsmiths might have observed, no matter the pros and cons of this development, its out there, its possible, folks will be competing to refine it, so get used to it. You can always write a tome afterwards like Albert Hoffman's "My Problem Child" if you need to explain later. That being said, if you object to dark 'marketing' on a personal level, well, sure, but that's merely your personal taste.
Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
At 09:40 PM 8/27/01 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote: >"People selling their expertise when some guild says they are forbidden >to." Morally this one seems OK. In a net already filled with bogus >medical and legal advice it can't make things much worse. On the other >hand it's not clear that the existing prohibitions are hurting anyone's >bottom line. In some US states, you can be prohibited from working for a competitor for some time after you leave. Combine that with telecommuting.
'PARASITIC GRID' COULD UNDERMINE WIRELESS REVENUES (fwd)
an idiot wrote: > Would seem it's high time trying to get Mojo and Freenet to do onion > routing, preparing for the wireless wave. Here's some work in progress > on XML-RPC interface to Mojo (identical to Freenet). doh, forgot the URL: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/mojonation/evil/hackerdocs/LJ_article.html?content-type=text/html
Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
Nomen Nescio wrote: [snip] >The answers it gives depends on the questions you ask. If your questions >are simple enough (untraceability good?) then your chart will answer >them. If your questions are more interesting (what technologies can >be practically implemented and make a positive difference in the world) >then you need a better chart. You (and Aimee) make the mistake of assuming that all of us believe that we are living in the best of all possible worlds. Many people however believe that we [read: our government(s)] are in a downward spiral that is converging on police-and-welfare-state. In the US for example, we long ago abandoned our constitution. We still give it much lip service and we still have one of the "more free" societies but things are trending in the wrong direction. Each year more oppressive laws are passed, more things are made illegal to say or write or - if some have their way - think. (And of course it goes without saying that these things that are prohibited to us are available to "authorized users": those in intelligence, law enforcement, etc. - the usual "more equal" individuals.) More of our incomes are stolen to be redistributed to the lazy and undeserving, who have every incentive to continue voting for the politicians who will continue to transfer money from productive individuals to them. At the same time, more twits like you and Aimee spring up, always ready to say "no, you mustn't say such things - you don't really mean that, do you? How could anyone even think such things?" As Tim has pointed out over and over, you need to read up on cypherpunks themes, goals and history. His signature has included this inscription for years (though he seems not to be using it lately): Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero knowledge, reputations, information markets, black markets, collapse of governments. Did you think he didn't really mean it? As a start on getting up to speed on alternatives to our current "system of government" (and excellent entertainment besides), I recommend you read these works: "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson "The Ungoverned" by Vernor Vinge There are many others that could be added to this list but just reading these will give you a taste of some alternative societies that might be in many ways preferable to the current kleptocracy. - GH (who admits he's been heavily influenced by Mr. May) _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
RE: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
GH wrote: > Nomen Nescio wrote: > [snip] > >The answers it gives depends on the questions you ask. If your questions > >are simple enough (untraceability good?) then your chart will answer > >them. If your questions are more interesting (what technologies can > >be practically implemented and make a positive difference in the world) > >then you need a better chart. > > You (and Aimee) make the mistake of assuming that all of us believe that > we are living in the best of all possible worlds. *sigh* > Many people however > believe that we [read: our government(s)] are in a downward spiral that > is converging on police-and-welfare-state. In the US for example, we > long ago abandoned our constitution. We still give it much lip service > and we still have one of the "more free" societies but things are > trending in the wrong direction. > > Each year more oppressive laws are passed, more things are made illegal > to say or write or - if some have their way - think. (And of course it > goes without saying that these things that are prohibited to us are > available to "authorized users": those in intelligence, law enforcement, > etc. - the usual "more equal" individuals.) I might understand this better than you think. > At the same time, more twits like you and Aimee spring up, always ready > to say "no, you mustn't say such things - you don't really mean that, do > you? How could anyone even think such things?" Twit: my pet name in here. > As Tim has pointed out over and over, you need to read up on cypherpunks > themes, goals and history. His signature has included this inscription > for years (though he seems not to be using it lately): > > Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, > anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero > knowledge, reputations, information markets, > black markets, collapse of governments. > > Did you think he didn't really mean it? I'm not sticking my head in that noose. > As a start on getting up to speed on alternatives to our current "system > of government" (and excellent entertainment besides), I recommend you > read these works: > "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson > "The Ungoverned" by Vernor Vinge > There are many others that could be added to this list but just reading > these will give you a taste of some alternative societies that might be in > many ways preferable to the current kleptocracy. > > - GH (who admits he's been heavily influenced by Mr. May) So, now, it's... "BlackNet; Case History of a Practically Untraceable System for Buying and Selling Corporate and National Secrets to foreign adversaries, and to spur the collapse of governments." Just out of curiosity, how many of you would sign on to a project like that? Would you please post a statement of interest, and detail how you would contribute to such a project? ~Aimee
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Re: Borders UK and privacy
> > BORDERS U.K. USES FACE-RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY TO MONITOR CUSTOMERS > > Borders Books in the U.K. is employing SmartFace technology to compare Slashdot is reporting that they've backed off in response to negative public pressure. So for the moment you don't need to wear a mask to shop there, though they're probably still using cameras, and in many parts of the UK the local government is also videotaping the street. David Brin's book "The Transparent Society" suggests that you might as well get used to it. Technological change driven by the Moore's Law effects in computing power are making video cameras and computer image processing get cheaper rapidly, so the marginal benefit of using them doesn't have to be very high to outweigh the marginal cost. The real issues are still getting data, but the costs of sharing data are low and getting lower, and the government intervention that forces everyone to use picture ID to do almost anything makes it easier. Brin's conclusion is that since we won't be able to stop it, we should work to make sure government activities are open and watchable by the public. Similarly, the cost of correlating non-image data has decreased rapidly - many of the information collection practices used today date from the 1960s and 1970s, when a "mainframe" might have a megabyte of RAM, less than 10 MIPS of CPU, 100MB of fast disk drive, and everything else was tapes and punchcards, and it required a large staff of people to feed it. These days you can get pocket computers with ten times that capacity, and a $5000 desktop Personal Computer can have a gigabyte of RAM and a terabyte of disk drive with the Internet to feed it data; that's enough for the name and address of everybody on Earth, or a few KB on every American, and online queries are much faster than the traditional methods requiring offline data sets. That means that not only can governments and a few big companies decide to correlate pre-planned sets of data about people, but almost anybody can do ad-hoc queries on any data it's convenient for them to get, whether they're individuals or employees of small or large businesses. So if there's any data about you out there, don't expect it to stay private - even data that previously wasn't a risk because correlating it was hard. European-style data privacy laws aren't much help - they're structured for a world in which computers and databases were big things run by big companies, rather than everyday tools used by everyone in their personal lives, and rules requiring making them accessible to the public can be turned around into rules allowing the government to audit your mobile phone and your pocket organizer in case there might be databases on them. American-style data privacy laws are seriously flawed also - not the fluffy attempts at positive protection for privacy that liberal Nader types and occasional paranoid conservatives propose, but the real laws which require increasing collection of data in ways that are easy to correlate, such as the use of a single Taxpayer ID for employers, bank accounts, drivers' licenses, and medical records, "Know Your Customer" laws, national databases of people permitted to work, documentation proving you're not an illegal alien, etc. There's lots more data that would be readily available, but the bureaucrats that collect it restrict access or charge fees that reflect the pre-computer costs of providing the information. If you need a reminder, go buy a house and look at the junk mail you get, or have your neighbor's deadbeat kid register his car with your apartment number instead of his and see what shows up.
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Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Nomen Nescio wrote: > The point is that those who will pay large sums to acquire access to > these technologies, even for the purpose of overthrowing an evil regime, > are not doing it out of altruism. They're not good-guy libertarians > who only want to set up a John Galt state. Realistically they're more > likely to be interested in taking over the reins of power themselves. > > And it's pretty questionable to salve your conscience by saying that > even if these guys use the tools to bad ends, someone else will then > be able to use the same tools against them. The problem is, we're > doing this for profit, right? We won't give the tools away once > the first generation uses them to take over. We should sell them to > the highest bidder. (Better to think of a service than a tool here. > Most cypherpunk technologies require a distributed infrastructure that > you can charge for.) The high bidders are once again going to be the > bad guys who want to take over for selfish reasons. Jeesus that's naive. What makes you think that new regime who used your tool to take over won't then shoot you and take 'your profits'. By participating you may in fact be signing your own death warrant. The highest bidders are going to be the ones with the most money at the tiem of the auction. Whether they gained that money by selfish/altruistic or good/bad reasons is relativistic. Further, to assume that the profits go to the 'bad guys w/ selfish reasons' a priori is just begging the question. Or is your thesis that the optimal market strategy is to be a 'bad guy w/ selfish reasons'? If so, you need to review that Galtian utopia. -- natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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Borders UK and privacy
BORDERS U.K. USES FACE-RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY TO MONITOR CUSTOMERS Borders Books in the U.K. is employing SmartFace technology to compare the "unique digital face-maps" of customers against similar face-maps of known shoplifters. Privacy advocates such as the director of the Scottish Human Rights Centre are outraged by the development: "I can see why they don't want shoplifters in their store, but I would question whether this is proportionate to what they are trying to do. We are talking about having a bank of pictures of everyone going into the shop -- I would consider that a serious breach of privacy. There is no control over what they do with those pictures, or how they are kept -- are they safe? Nor is there much control over whether Borders could sell the information on, or whether people will actually know this is happening." (Sunday Herald 26 Aug 2001) http://www.sundayherald.com/18007
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