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Re: Thinking outside the box, deviously
On Thursday, January 24, 2002, at 05:20 PM, Michael Motyka wrote: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Michael Motyka wrote: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Appendix: A math puzzle. Imagine a solid sphere. Maybe the sphere is made of plutonium. A drill bit is lowered onto the sphere, going right through the center, centered on the center (that is, the drilled-out core is not off-center in any way. What is left is a sphere with a cylindrical section (and the two end caps) removed. The height of the remaining part of the sphere is 10 centimeters. What is its volume? Which volume, the sphere remnant, or the cylindrical section that ya removed? I can only read it as that which remains after the end caps and cylindrical section are removed. But you're not Jim. If the sphere is 10cm in height does that mean it's sitting on the round part of the sphere or the removed end caps (these two 'diameters' are not equal)? If you want to pick nits it's not explicit about the orientation but Isn't that kind of what Mr May is taking about? Picking at Nits, or rather pulling at little threads (asking questions) until the whole thing unravels? based on the phrase lowered onto I assume it was drilled out vertically. I also assumed that a measurement of height is a measurement of the thing as it would sit after being drilled and without any pitch or roll added. I'm no freaking good at math, but I suspect that the volume of a sphere with a core removed is equal to a an uncored sphere of the same height. Hm. I don't have the formulas handy to figure this out, and I'm probably wrong. -- Crypto is about a helluva lot more than just PGP and RSA...it's about building the I-beams and sheetrock that will allow robust structures to be built, it's about the railroad lines and power lines that will connect the structures, and it's about creating Galt's Gulch in cyberspace, where it belongs.--Tim May
Re: Property Rights
By my reckoning, property rights require only one party and their possession of the means and intent to keep other parties from using that property. steve Yeah,and as they say inside,everyones got to sleep sometime. Imagine for a moment that, as ordinary citizens were watching the evening news, they see an act by a government employee or officeholder that they feel violates their rights, abuses the public's trust or misuses the powers that they feel should be limited. What if they could go to their computers, type in the miscreant's name, and select a dollar amount. If 0.1 percent of the population, or one person in a thousand, was willing to pay $1 to see some government slimeball dead, that would be in effect, a $250,000 bounty on his head.
Re: CDR: Re: Property Rights
Jim Choate wrote: On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote: Jim Choate wrote: Property rights don't exist as absolute human rights. Nonsense. It is impossible to logically separate property rights from the right to life. I disagree. Life Property. One can have life with absolutely no property. One can not have property without life. Simple proof using reductio ad absurdam: Let us assume you are correct, and the right to life does NOT imply any right to property. Consider the following hypothetical (but feasible) scenario: A stalks B. Whenever B acquires food or drink, A deprives him of it. B has no right to property, so A has done no wrong. Eventually, however, B dies of starvation or thirst. A has deprived him of his life by depriving him only of property, thus refuting the initial assumption. Marc de Piolenc
CIA confirms it uses reporters as agents
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USS Greeneville: deadliest thing in the sea
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAC0FFG0XC.html WASHINGTON (AP) - A U.S. Navy submarine and an amphibious transport ship collided off the coast of Oman as they were getting ready to transfer two sailors, but no one was injured. The sub was the same one that collided with a Japanese fishing boat off the Hawaiian coast last year. The incident Sunday punctured the fuel tank of the amphibious transport dock ship USS Ogden and caused some damage to the submarine USS Greeneville, Pentagon officials said Monday. The Greeneville had collided with a Japanese fishing vessel off the Hawaiian coast on Feb. 9, 2001, leaving nine Japanese dead. And on its first major deployment after that incident, the sub grounded while trying to enter the Saipan seaport last August in rough seas. . Maybe Osama was aboard?
Faustine's Spherical Poultry
Faustine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I agree; fascinating stuff. Here's a paragraph on deviousness and psychopathy as an adaptive trait you might find interesting: ...we speculate that evolution designed a subspecies of humans who use deception and cheating to get resources from others but do not reciprocate. The key characteristics of such a subspecies ought to be: skill at deception, lack of concern for the suffering of others, ease and flexibility in the exploitation of others, extreme reluctance to be responsible for others (including, in the case of males, their own offspring), and total lack of real concern for the opinion of others. These are psychopathic traits. The point here is that psychopathy is not a disorder because psychopaths (and their mental characteristics) are performing exactly as they were designed by natural selection. According to this view, psychopathy is an adaptation. ... Our theory is that, although nonpsychopaths are capable of some criminal behaviour under the right (wrong) circumstances, psychopaths form a distinct subgroup of humans who use distinct life-long deception reproductive strategies under all circumstances. Looks like some people around here are ahead of the curve. subspecimens of humanity, now theres a thought... Nonsense. It sounds more like a play to a political audience than to a scientific one. Part of an engine for classifying dissenters and sending them to the gulags rather than a scholarly work. Interesting puzzle--though your handling of the drill-size issue reminds me of a cautionary tale from my modeling and simulation class: Beaming Engineer 1: You know, I've been working on this all month--I think Ive just invented the worlds most perfect chichen plucking machine! Doubtful Engineer 2: Really? Engineer One: Surewell, under the assumption that the chickens are perfectly spherical. I've seen plucking machines that worked very efficiently and the chickens were conventional, not spherical. I bet the guys who made them work were better at solving problems than those who tried and failed to bring a machine to market. Though you're right that it's vitally important to find an elegant solution to your problem, gotta watch out for those spherical chickens. I would have thought the thing to do next is choose a range of actual drill bits capable of drilling plutonium, note their properties and create a table of values by working through the equation that way. Oh well. It's a geometry problem not a metal shop problem. Meant to be done in your head or on paper. Having made a couple of physical examples you've spent a great deal of money and time relative to the guy ( Anonymous ) who does it on paper and, worse, you know less when you're through. I've always preferred to work things out before I crank up the Bridgeport. Granted, real-world problems are not always neat and tidy, that makes getting the fundamentals correct even more important. Unless you think the economics are irrelevant. ~Faustine. Mike
Re: Faustine's Spherical Poultry
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Faustine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : From: Michael Motyka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree; fascinating stuff. Here's a paragraph on deviousness and psychopathy as an adaptive trait you might find interesting: (snip paragraph) Looks like some people around here are ahead of the curve. subspecimens of humanity, now there's a thought... Nonsense. It sounds more like a play to a political audience than to a scientific one. To an audience of research psychiatrists: the former playing at the latter... Part of an engine for classifying dissenters and sending them to the gulags rather than a scholarly work. It's still hilarious though. Offered for your consideration as a counterpart to the recently-offered news story on the study that proves humans had very good reasons to evolve into vindictive conformist sheep. (insert spherical chicken parable here) I've seen plucking machines that worked very efficiently and the chickens were conventional, not spherical. I bet the guys who made them work were better at solving problems than those who tried and failed to bring a machine to market. True, one would hope no spherical chicken pluckers made it to market. Unless the DoD put out a RFP for one, that is. Wouldn't put it past em. There could be a whole warehouse of Defense Department spherical chicken pluckers piled to the ceiling somewhere for all I know... LOL Though you're right that it's vitally important to find an elegant solution to your problem, gotta watch out for those spherical chickens. I would have thought the thing to do next is choose a range of actual drill bits capable of drilling plutonium, note their properties and create a table of values by working through the equation that way. Oh well. It's a geometry problem not a metal shop problem. Geometry first, sure. Without the fundamentals you're lost...but I realized that for no good reason at all I decided to take your answer and turn it into a decision analysis problem--hence the table of values and need for a range of drill bit specs. Showing my bias, I guess. ~Faustine. *** He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. Thomas Paine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBPFWrk/g5Tuca7bfvEQJN1ACg5iZN0RtHu18VW0li0zu2v9O6uUAAn1nj PfVpFLK1POrIklQ2SBMoATar =BSUe -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Faustine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I've seen plucking machines that worked very efficiently and the chickens were conventional, not spherical. I bet the guys who made them work were better at solving problems than those who tried and failed to bring a machine to market. True, one would hope no spherical chicken pluckers made it to market. Unless the DoD put out a RFP for one, that is. Wouldn't put it past em. There could be a whole warehouse of Defense Department spherical chicken pluckers piled to the ceiling somewhere for all I know... LOL That could very well be the case. However, it's nothing that couldn't be rectified by a multimillion dollar technology commercialization effort aimed at converting them to soccer ball cleaners. Mike
Re: USS Greeneville: deadliest thing in the sea
Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAC0FFG0XC.html WASHINGTON (AP) - A U.S. Navy submarine and an amphibious transport ship collided off the coast of Oman as they were getting ready to transfer two sailors, but no one was injured. The sub was the same one that collided with a Japanese fishing boat off the Hawaiian coast last year. The incident Sunday punctured the fuel tank of the amphibious transport dock ship USS Ogden and caused some damage to the submarine USS Greeneville, Pentagon officials said Monday. The Greeneville had collided with a Japanese fishing vessel off the Hawaiian coast on Feb. 9, 2001, leaving nine Japanese dead. And on its first major deployment after that incident, the sub grounded while trying to enter the Saipan seaport last August in rough seas. Once a submarine has tasted human blood it just can't be trusted. You know what they do to bears in the zoo after they've tasted the blood of someone stupid enough to climb into their cage...
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leaving nine Japanese dead. And on its first major deployment after that incident, the sub grounded while trying to enter the Saipan seaport last August in rough seas. Once a submarine has tasted human blood it just can't be trusted. You know what they do to bears in the zoo after they've tasted the blood of someone stupid enough to climb into their cage... Crimson tide...denzel as Powell..Captain,your unfit to command,I'm relieving you of duty.Place the captain in the brig. You cant torture prisoners and expect your own captured people not to be tortured.I'm renaming this anarchist vessel the black october and handing her over to the people of the world,we cant escape APster,even 1 mile underwater.
Ego is not a dirty word,dont you believe all you've seen or you've heard.
Max Stirner The Ego and It's Own (Rebel Press London 1993, available from Freedom press in London) Max Stirner is a relatively obscure figure in anarchist and left wing thought. He has influenced many who regard themselves as anarcho-individualists such as the Americans, Lysander Spooner and Benjamin Tucker and modern polemicists such as Bob Black. He also has some following among anarcho-communists, notably in Glasgow where a Stirnerist tradition has persisted to this day. Stirner was an egoist who railed against all doctrines and beliefs which demanded a subordination of the individual will to their leadership. So you might ask why I should be interested in trying to outline some of his ideas in the magazine of an organisation committed to a collective anarcho-communist vision of society? I would say for two reasons. Firstly Stirner's ideas are the perfect corrective to those expounded by authoritarian socialists. Indeed, they came to realise this very quickly and condemned Stirner almost from day one. Marx and Engels devoted a whole 300-page book to denouncing his ideas - The German Ideology published in 1846. The semi hysterical and personal nature of the criticisms tell us just how worried they were. They condemned him as the emptiest, shallowest brain among the philosophers whose whole activity is limited to trying a few, hackneyed, casuistical tricks on the world handed down to him by philosophical tradition. This effort alone such surely alert us that the fact that he might be saying something interesting! Stirner's absolute contempt for those who would be masters allowed him to clearly and accurately predict the disaster that happened when socialist ideas were elevated to the level of a state religion: Society, from which we have everything, is a new master, a new spook, a new 'supreme being' which 'takes us into it service and allegiance.' There's a second and deeper relevance to his thinking though. All anarchists strive to maximise individual liberty. In the Workers Solidarity Movement our aim is to maximise individual freedom through collective means. But in order to do this it is important that people are committed to the ideas of collectively organising with others. This is an idea that is common to anarchists and many others on the left. However much less time is devoted, even by anarchists, to thinking about what it would actually mean to live in an anarchist society. Freedom cannot be handed out. It is only meaningful to people who really desire it and that means strong individuals knowing what they want. What does it mean to be free or as Stirner puts it self owned? Unless we really appreciate what this means and how valuable it is then we might as well give up and let the state and the capitalists do our thinking for us! What were his ideas? Surely if socialism is anything it is the opposite of selfishness and egoism. In fact opponents often argue that, while the ideas of socialism and anarchism are attractive, human greed makes it unrealisable in practise. We are told that it's the natural greedy condition of humanity that makes socialism an impossible dream. Yet what if it was all turned on its head? What if socialism sprung firstly from a greedy snatching at life's possibilities to turn them to personal advantage? What if it was our own individual greed and egoism that pulled us out of capitalism and into a new world? The great are only great because we are on our knees; what happens if we all get up? This is the paradox suggested by Stirner in The Ego and Its Own Max Stirner (real name Caspar Schmidt) was a member of a small group of left leaning German intellectuals styling themselves the free and including Marx and Engels. Stirner wrote many essays, compiled and edited a history of reaction and translated works by Adam Smith. However this book is his only completed original work. Before I launch into some of the ideas contained in the book, it is only fair to warn anyone who does get their hands on it that it is not an easy read. In fact it is very badly written and I can only pity the translator. Firstly Stirner can sarcastically quote summaries of other people's ideas as if he agreed with them and then suddenly switch to his own views. Secondly there is a high level of abstraction in the book with often the same word such as man being used to mean very different things within the same paragraph. That having been said a patient reading will give many rewards! The book is a searing attack on all abstract belief systems, starting and working out from religious ideas to encompass all political beliefs as being religious in nature. The first paragraph sets the tone, with Stirner sarcastically putting forward what he sees as the enemy's line: What is not supposed to be my concern, first and foremost, the good cause, then God's cause, the cause of mankind, of truth, of freedom, of humanity, of justice,
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Interview with Raise The Fist founder me 10:06pm Sun Jan 27 '02 article#6607 Interview with Sherman An Interview with Sherman of RTF / LAAnarchists.org by mark January 27 2002, Sun, 5:14pm http://ontario.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=6607group=webcast An interview with Sherman, formerly of RaiseTheFist.com and LAAnarchists.org, whose home was raided by the LA Joint Terrorism Task Force on Jan. 24; the websites were shutdown and his computers confiscated. Sherman denies involvement with any illegal activity, saying of the Feds, They're afraid. And they're going to try and silence us any way they can. ... My best advice is to not give in to their fear-tactics. Keep fighting, and fight hard. Don't stop. Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:15:07 -0800 (PST) From: Arm The Homeless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mark burdett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: please relay: questions for Sherman [Ed. note: This e-mail interview is reproduced uncut and unabridged. Only spelling, punctuation, and basic grammar have been corrected.] Hello, feel free to publish my responses to your questions anywhere. Was there any warning that investigation of your website was heating up? Yes. I have been monitoring government agencies connecting to the site for a long time. I'd been noticing more frequency with them coming back to the site. They had also started intercepting all packets on my DSL line, and seized one of my older AIM screen names for 12 days, so I knew something was going to happen - soon. It was really obvious. I even saw them outside my house at times. They have been monitoring the site very, very extensively LONG before the incriminating content which they were concerned about was posted onto the site. They simply used this content as an excuse to obtain a warrant for the raid. As a victim of one of the first post-Patriot Act anti-terrorism raids, why do you think the Feds chose you? Simply because Raisethefist was effective in what I was doing. It's the same reason why Feds raid other activist organizations. They're effective. And effectiveness within our movement scares them. They're afraid. And they're going to try and silence us any way they can. Do you have a copy of the warrant that was served? What did it say they were looking for? I cannot post any contents of the warrant online. Yes I have a copy of it. The warrant contains a lot of bogus information and misinterpretations. The warrant has information on me since I was 14 (I'm 18 now, almost 19). Any idea how many agents/officers participated in the raid? Yep, there was about 25-30 of them. They surrounded my house with guns. Blocked off the garage door with a big bench, had a door bammer, had cars all up and down the streets, then 2 agents knocked at my door, pulled me outside, and the FBI came in and raided. My sister and her friends were home at the time, and she refused to answer the door. I was currently taking a nap and she woke me up to tell me that there were police and undercover/FBI people all up and down the streets looking at the house. That's when I got up and approached the door. Can you remember any exact quotes that the agents told you - what precisely did they say about 9-11, your web site, what they were looking for, etc. They told me the main reason for the raid was because of the content on the site, and they wanted to see who was looking at it. This was not the main reason. It was an excuse. The alledged content which they claim they were so concerned about is from the Reclaim Guide. It's posted on thousands of other web sites around the internet. Why didn't they raid those? Why did they only come after Raisethefist.com? Again, they've been watching the site for a long time, long before the Reclaim Guide was even posted onto the site. They used this as an excuse to get a warrant for the raid and seize all computer equipment. I can't discuss the specifics over the internet, but I know for sure that they didn't raid simply because they wanted to see who was looking at the content on the site. [Ed. note: The Reclaim Guide does not appear to be readily available elsewhere, in its entirety, although the topics covered are.] One of the first things one of the head agents conducting the raid asked me was, why did you grow your hair out? The picture they have of me is a bit older when I had short hair. They were acting as if I was trying to hide my appearance from them. They then sat me down, started asking me questions, etc. All this while the FBI was in my house with guns drawn, and seizing all computer equipment. The FBI, Secret Service, LAPD and LASD (Sheriffs Dept.) participated in the raid. The Secret Service person kept asking me if I'd like to see Bush killed. They were asking me a lot of loaded questions. What exactly did the agents take? How many computers and how much was it all worth?
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Re: [DMCA_discuss] Re: Buy DVDs and games abroad - and break the law (fwd)
On Sunday, January 27, 2002, at 05:36 AM, Mikko Särelä wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Jei wrote: Copyright holder in fact is the same as a publisher (in general terms), and is just a business entity, which tries to exploit author (it works even in those cases when author and publisher is the same person). Author, generally speaking, does not depend on businessman in order to create. Author is the only one,who needs protection. And the only danger he or she needs to be protected from is a publisher, which intents to still name. This talk about exploitation is purely Marxist dogma that has been refuted many times. What happens between the business man and the author is voluntary contract that benefits both. Not always. While I agree that exploitation is not the correct term, and that yes the contract between Publisher and Author is voluntary, there are certain areas where legislation has created functional monopolies whereby a creator has, if they wish their creation to be widely available, little or no choice but to turn over their copyrights to a small number of companies (I'm thinking of the music publishing biz. in the US.) But this is usually the government sticking it's nose into private dealings of individuals. -- Crypto is about a helluva lot more than just PGP and RSA...it's about building the I-beams and sheetrock that will allow robust structures to be built, it's about the railroad lines and power lines that will connect the structures, and it's about creating Galt's Gulch in cyberspace, where it belongs.--Tim May
Bottlenecks,singularities,phase transitions,emergance,whats wrong with revolution?
Well? Call a spade a fucking shovel. While I await your reasoned result I plan to collate several choice ~ Faustine posts and send them to several alphabet agencies.She should never eat lunch in that town again.
Anarchism and the Black Revolution.
Lorenzo Komboa Ervin's Anarchism and the Black Revolution and Frank Fernandez's Cuban Anarchism are now complete and online for your perusal. Please visit: Anarchism and the Black Revolution http://www.illegalvoices.org/apoc/books/abr/index.html Cuban Anarchism http://www.illegalvoices.org/apoc/books/cuban/front.html
Greenline.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0201/28/world/world3.html Soldiers rebel over Palestinian policy Jerusalem: Fifty-two Israeli combat reserve soldiers have announced they will no longer fight in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, saying military actions there are nothing to do with providing security for Israel and are intended to control and degrade Palestinians. In an advertisement in Israeli newspapers, the soldiers, some with the rank of major, said Israel's stringent travel bans, which confine many Palestinians to their communities, needlessly punished the Palestinians. Israel says the closures are needed to prevent attacks by Palestinian militants. We declare that we will not continue to fight a war for peace in the [Jewish] settlements [in the West Bank and Gaza Strip], the advertisement said. We will not continue to fight on the other side of the Green Line with an intent to control, expel, starve and degrade an entire people. The Green Line refers to the invisible line separating Israel from the territories it captured in the 1967 Middle East war. The soldiers wrote that they decided to stop serving in the Palestinian areas when it became clear to them that army orders had nothing to do with security, and their only intent is to control the Palestinian people forever.
