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Re: convenience and advantages of cash (Re: Eyes on the Prize...notthe Millicent Ghetto)

2002-05-14 Thread Ben Laurie

Adam Back wrote:
> Largest thing I bought cash was 2,000 GBP for a 2nd hand car some
> years ago.  I did toy with trying to buy a house with paper cash to
> see if it could be done, but I didn't bother in the end -- but I think
> that all that would have happened is the seller's lawyer would go to
> the bank and pay it in to make sure it's good.

Actually, the way house buying works (generally) in the UK is that you
deposit your money with _your_ solicitor, who promises the seller's
solicitor that they have it, contracts are exchanged (typically by fax!)
and then they settle at their convenience. Scarily insecure,
technically.

In fact, many years ago I had a solicitor who trusted me to such an
extent that he financed a house purchase from his firm's client slush
fund (i.e. he promised that he had the money even though he hadn't, and
was prepared to back it from that fund). That's the kind of personal
touch bits on the wire will never replace :-)

Oh, incidentally, this whole process is going to become bits on the wire
very shortly, I believe - one of the first high-value transactions to
become so in the UK. The UK Land Registry has been all electronic for a
long time, too, I'm told. But because it works we don't hear about it
much.

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Re: trillions a day?

2002-05-14 Thread Ben Laurie

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> On 14 May 2002 at 13:47, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> 
> > At 8:10 AM -0700 on 5/14/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >
> > > How could this possibly be true? :ast I checked, GDP for the US
> > > was about 10 trillion bucks a year,  the combined GDP of
> > > every nation on earth per year can't be more than 100 trillion,
> > > most of which doesn't involve anything crosiing a border,
> > > so how can there possibly be trillions of dollars worth of
> > > foreign exchange a day?
> >
> >
> > You're confusing assets with transactions.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > RAH
> >
> >
> 
> I'm really not, I'm just wondering what the hell all these transactions
> are.  I understand that in principle I could convert 100 dollars
> into Euros and back again 100 times to generate 10,000 dollars
> worth of transactions,  but why would I?  If I'm under the delusion
> that the dollar is overvalued, presumably somebody else must
> be of the opposite opinion for a trade to take place, right?
> So if I change my mind half an hour later, presumably it's
> because the dollar went down, right?  So the people who thought
> the dollar was undervalued should be even more confident in their
> opinion,  I would think.
> Yeah, I know, if the world worked that way stock price
> graphs would look like smooth slowly varying curves instead
> of spikey hairy monsters.
> But still, trillions a day? it just seems incredible to me that
> there should be that many transactions.

Think arbitrage. Allegedly only 2% of foreign exchange transactions are
actually related to anything real. The other 98% are just banks playing
gambling games on the money markets.

Scary, if you ask me.

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Re: convenience and advantages of cash (Re: Eyes on the Prize...notthe Millicent Ghetto)

2002-05-14 Thread Adam Back

On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 10:38:21PM +0100, Ben Laurie wrote:
> Actually, the way house buying works (generally) in the UK is that you
> deposit your money with _your_ solicitor, who promises the seller's
> solicitor that they have it, contracts are exchanged (typically by fax!)
> and then they settle at their convenience. Scarily insecure,
> technically.

Yes but in my case I acted as my own solicitor because I have this
strange dislike of parting order 500 - 1000 GBP to fill in a few
boiler-plate forms and make a few checks with government record
departments.

I've done 3 of them so far, the other parties solicitors don't like
it, but then they don't have to.

Adam




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Re: convenience and advantages of cash (Re: Eyes on the Prize...notthe Millicent Ghetto)

2002-05-14 Thread Ben Laurie

Adam Back wrote:
> The bank charges 20 GBP or more to do the same day transfer
> electronically (CHAPs), where as the "no fee" option is BACs and takes
> 3 working days and they keep the interest on your money while it's
> moving.

BTW, pedantry: they're CHAPS (Clearing House Automated Payment System)
and BACS (Bank Automated Clearing System).

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Re: Eyes on the Prize...not the Millicent Ghetto

2002-05-14 Thread R. A. Hettinga

At 10:26 AM +0200 on 5/14/02, David G.W. Birch wrote:


>> Compared, again, to, regulated,
>> monitored, bank-to-bank foreign exchange of several *trillion*
>> dollars a *day*, it's chicken feed.
>
> On Bob's list, yesterday:
>
>>> About $1.2
>>> trillion in currencies is traded daily, according to the Bank for
>>> International Settlements.

Zing. :-).

I wonder where the $3 trillion number a day number I've heard from various
people over the last 10 years came from. The first time I heard it was from
someone at Telerate in 1990 or so...

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2002-05-14 Thread ShowMeTheWater6982671



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 the molecular structure of water from H2O to H3O.OH. 

 In youth, our body naturally converts H2O to H3O.OH, but this 
 phenomenon diminishes (naturally and unnaturally) as we age!

 H3O.OH's role is to continually rejuvenate the body at the cellular 
 level by cleansing, detoxifying and fortifying our entire systems!

 Just drinking the water has really changed some lives.

 Another So-Called Miracle Product?

 Same thing I thought until I learned that this SAME product has 
 been used and distributed in Korea for over 8 years, and is just 
 now coming to America.

 Get on a live daily call and hear these stories of what has 
 happened to some people just by drinking water!  

 This is the best water we know of to drink!  Amazing!

 This is the first time I heard of a company with a 95% reorder rate 
 WITHOUT obligating members to pay monthly!  

 Why? 

 This product seems to promote the well being of the 
 human body so fast, for so little...

 AND you get paid even when you do not order!

 NO MONTHLY AUTOSHIP REQUREMENTS!!!

 Change your Water  Change your Life!


 TESTIMONIALS WE HAVE HEARD: 

 > Gray hair returning to natural color 
 > New hair growth on scalp 
 > Blood sugar readings returning to 120 
 > Increased energy 
 > Scars disappearing 
 > Skin smoothing out 
 > Skin rashes disappearing 

 and so much more... 

 And this is happening in WEEKS, not months or years!

 Skeptical, but curious?

 We understand. Please email me with the words "Show Me The Water" 
 for a link to the web site and a call schedule.

 Send E-mail HERE

 All you need is a U.S. shipping address to become a distributor.

 This is an 8 year old company!  Not another Fly by Night!

 I look forward to hearing from you soon.

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 303-655-9944




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convenience and advantages of cash (Re: Eyes on the Prize...not the Millicent Ghetto)

2002-05-14 Thread Adam Back

You can apparently get Canadian $1,000 notes too, not that I've ever
seen one.  That would be worth almost exactly the same as 1000 swiss
francs.

If you get a bundle of 50 GBP notes from a bank in the UK they put
them in a little sealed bag containing 10 notes (500 pounds).  That
note collection is convenient for counting etc for larger items also.

Largest thing I bought cash was 2,000 GBP for a 2nd hand car some
years ago.  I did toy with trying to buy a house with paper cash to
see if it could be done, but I didn't bother in the end -- but I think
that all that would have happened is the seller's lawyer would go to
the bank and pay it in to make sure it's good.

I've also moved more than 2,000 GBP that between bank accounts and
investment accounts in the past -- withdraw from current account
10,000 GBP, walk across the street and pay into another institutions
investment account and the money is instantly available to write a
check, and accrues interest from that day, rather than 3 days later.

The bank charges 20 GBP or more to do the same day transfer
electronically (CHAPs), where as the "no fee" option is BACs and takes
3 working days and they keep the interest on your money while it's
moving.

Adam

On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 01:56:05PM -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote:
> On Tue, 14 May 2002, Richard Fiero wrote:
> 
> > As the article points out, $1 million fits in a briefcase
> > nicely but the Euro's largest denomination is 500 which will
> > allow $1 million to fit into a purse. From the article:
> > " I am not an expert in cryptography, but I think it may take
> > quite a while to devise an electronic money that guarantees
> > anonymity in the same way that cash does."
> 
> Or my favorite 1000 swiss franc notes currently worth about $618 each.
> 
> DCF




Re: trillions a day?

2002-05-14 Thread georgemw

On 14 May 2002 at 13:47, R. A. Hettinga wrote:

> At 8:10 AM -0700 on 5/14/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
> > How could this possibly be true? :ast I checked, GDP for the US
> > was about 10 trillion bucks a year,  the combined GDP of
> > every nation on earth per year can't be more than 100 trillion,
> > most of which doesn't involve anything crosiing a border,
> > so how can there possibly be trillions of dollars worth of
> > foreign exchange a day?
> 
> 
> You're confusing assets with transactions.
> 
> Cheers,
> RAH
> 
> 

I'm really not, I'm just wondering what the hell all these transactions 
are.  I understand that in principle I could convert 100 dollars
into Euros and back again 100 times to generate 10,000 dollars
worth of transactions,  but why would I?  If I'm under the delusion
that the dollar is overvalued, presumably somebody else must
be of the opposite opinion for a trade to take place, right?
So if I change my mind half an hour later, presumably it's
because the dollar went down, right?  So the people who thought
the dollar was undervalued should be even more confident in their 
opinion,  I would think.
Yeah, I know, if the world worked that way stock price
graphs would look like smooth slowly varying curves instead
of spikey hairy monsters.  
But still, trillions a day? it just seems incredible to me that
there should be that many transactions.

George 

> -- 
> -
> R. A. Hettinga 
> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 
> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
> "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
> [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
> experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
> 





Re: Bad guys vs. Good guys

2002-05-14 Thread R. A. Hettinga

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Status:  U
User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1331
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:21:01 +0200
Subject: Re: Bad guys vs. Good guys
From: "David G.W. Birch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Bob Hettinga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Digital Bearer Settlement List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

R. A. Hettinga e-said:

>> What the hell does *live* mean? There are quite a few folks on this
> planet
>> who 'sell' nothing. They grow their own food, they build their own
> house.

Any many of them live well into their thirties.

Regards,
Dave Birch.

-- 

==  My own opinion (I think!) given solely in my capacity as an
==  interested member of the general public
==  mail(at)davebirches.org, http://www.davebirch.org/

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-- 
-
R. A. Hettinga 
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




Re: Eyes on the Prize...not the Millicent Ghetto

2002-05-14 Thread David G.W. Birch

R. A. Hettinga e-said:

> Compared, again, to, regulated,
> monitored, bank-to-bank foreign exchange of several *trillion*
> dollars a *day*, it's chicken feed.

On Bob's list, yesterday:

>> About $1.2
>> trillion in currencies is traded daily, according to the Bank for
>> International Settlements.

Regards,
Dave Birch.

-- 

==  My own opinion (I think!) given solely in my capacity as an
==  interested member of the general public
==  mail(at)davebirches.org, http://www.davebirch.org/




[no subject]

2002-05-14 Thread CDR Anonymizer

there are signals coming from washington that
something positive is starting to develop

--




beastiality explained.

2002-05-14 Thread matthew X

http://www.wolframscience.com/
and
http://www.nerve.com/Regulars/ScienceOfSex/10-31-00/
Woof!




Re: Re: Eyes on the Prize...not the Millicent Ghetto

2002-05-14 Thread Daniel J. Boone

> Or my favorite 1000 swiss franc notes currently worth about $618
each.
>
> DCF

Neat!  I need to get out more.  A thin sheaf of those would add
considerable spice to the old "slip the envelope out of the inside
breast pocket of your suit coat" transactions.

-- Daniel J. Boone





Show me the WATER!!

2002-05-14 Thread ShowMeTheWater88781



 Miracle or Science?


 A few days ago, I was told about a product that changes 
 the molecular structure of water from H2O to H3O.OH. 

 In youth, our body naturally converts H2O to H3O.OH, but this 
 phenomenon diminishes (naturally and unnaturally) as we age!

 H3O.OH's role is to continually rejuvenate the body at the cellular 
 level by cleansing, detoxifying and fortifying our entire systems!

 Just drinking the water has really changed some lives.

 Another So-Called Miracle Product?

 Same thing I thought until I learned that this SAME product has 
 been used and distributed in Korea for over 8 years, and is just 
 now coming to America.

 Get on a live daily call and hear these stories of what has 
 happened to some people just by drinking water!  

 This is the best water we know of to drink!  Amazing!

 This is the first time I heard of a company with a 95% reorder rate 
 WITHOUT obligating members to pay monthly!  

 Why? 

 This product seems to promote the well being of the 
 human body so fast, for so little...

 AND you get paid even when you do not order!

 NO MONTHLY AUTOSHIP REQUREMENTS!!!

 Change your Water  Change your Life!


 TESTIMONIALS WE HAVE HEARD: 

 > Gray hair returning to natural color 
 > New hair growth on scalp 
 > Blood sugar readings returning to 120 
 > Increased energy 
 > Scars disappearing 
 > Skin smoothing out 
 > Skin rashes disappearing 

 and so much more... 

 And this is happening in WEEKS, not months or years!

 Skeptical, but curious?

 We understand. Please email me with the words "Show Me The Water" 
 for a link to the web site and a call schedule.

 Send E-mail HERE

 All you need is a U.S. shipping address to become a distributor.

 This is an 8 year old company!  Not another Fly by Night!

 I look forward to hearing from you soon.

 Tim Gilpatrick
 303-655-9944




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Show me the WATER!!

2002-05-14 Thread ShowMeTheWater4181691


 Miracle or Science?


 A few days ago, I was told about a product that changes 
 the molecular structure of water from H2O to H3O.OH. 

 In youth, our body naturally converts H2O to H3O.OH, but this 
 phenomenon diminishes (naturally and unnaturally) as we age!

 H3O.OH's role is to continually rejuvenate the body at the cellular 
 level by cleansing, detoxifying and fortifying our entire systems!

 Just drinking the water has really changed some lives.

 Another So-Called Miracle Product?

 Same thing I thought until I learned that this SAME product has 
 been used and distributed in Korea for over 8 years, and is just 
 now coming to America.

 Get on a live daily call and hear these stories of what has 
 happened to some people just by drinking water!  

 This is the best water we know of to drink!  Amazing!

 This is the first time I heard of a company with a 95% reorder rate 
 WITHOUT obligating members to pay monthly!  

 Why? 

 This product seems to promote the well being of the 
 human body so fast, for so little...

 AND you get paid even when you do not order!

 NO MONTHLY AUTOSHIP REQUREMENTS!!!

 Change your Water  Change your Life!


 TESTIMONIALS WE HAVE HEARD: 

 > Gray hair returning to natural color 
 > New hair growth on scalp 
 > Blood sugar readings returning to 120 
 > Increased energy 
 > Scars disappearing 
 > Skin smoothing out 
 > Skin rashes disappearing 

 and so much more... 

 And this is happening in WEEKS, not months or years!

 Skeptical, but curious?

 We understand. Please email me with the words "Show Me The Water" 
 for a link to the web site and a call schedule.

 Send E-mail HERE

 All you need is a U.S. shipping address to become a distributor.

 This is an 8 year old company!  Not another Fly by Night!

 I look forward to hearing from you soon.

 Tim Gilpatrick
 303-655-9944




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Re: trillions a day?

2002-05-14 Thread Ken Brown

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> How could this possibly be true? :ast I checked, GDP for the US
> was about 10 trillion bucks a year,  the combined GDP of
> every nation on earth per year can't be more than 100 trillion,
> most of which doesn't involve anything crosiing a border,
> so how can there possibly be trillions of dollars worth of
> foreign exchange a day?

Because the money goes round more than once.

Because most foreign exchange ends up right back where it started before
the end of the day, with tiny bits shaved off for interest.

Because vast proportions of the apparent US money traded are, and have
been for years, in the "euro-dollar" market in London and never touches
down in America at all. (the relative importance of that has declined
but other non-US markets are growing to replace it)

Because banks lend money they don't have, and the people they lend it to
lend it to others, who can include banks, who can lend the same money to
more than one person - and as long as no-one is *really* stupid
(remember Nick Leeson?) most of the money comes back home at settlement
time.

Because lots of money doesn't really represent spending power at all.
Say that A owes B a billion dollars. B owes C a billion dollars worth of
euros. C owes A a billion dollars worth of yen. Minor fluctuations in
exchange rates, combined with traders efforts to pull a fast one,  mean
that smaller amounts of money - say a few hundred thousand a day -
permanently changes hands, and can be spent. But, absent the meltdown of
one or another market,  the whole pot never gets spent. It can't,
because it is mostly always promised to someone else.

Because people don't just trade "money", whatever that is. They trade
various kinds of rights and duties to money and other property. A has a
billion dollars. How much is it worth to B to buy the right to borrow
that billion for 1 day sometime next week, if they choose to? That has a
value. A sells that right to B, and C and D. What happens if B & C both
want to cash in? Well, A has to borrow the second billion from E in a
hurry... and so on.

Because as Bruce Sterling told us many years ago, cyberspace is real, it
is where the banks keep the money. 

Most of the money in the world is entries in databases in London banks
and market traders that no-one will ever spend. Most of the rest is in
banks in Singapore, Tokyo, and New York. No-where else has any at all,
statistically speaking :-)

Ken




MINORITY REPORT.There is a god.

2002-05-14 Thread matthew X

Synopsis:
Based on the short story by Philip K. Dick, MINORITY REPORT is set in a 
2054 Melbourne Vic. judicial system in which killers are arrested and 
convicted before they commit murder using a psychic technology.Nic Conte is 
the head of this Precrime unit and is himself accused of the future murder 
of a man he hasn't even met.
Joe Bonnano has been punished by our lord for a wicked life as a mass 
murdering,heroin dealer.God will strike you down at age 97 should you too 
be tempted by possesion of billions in the 60's.(imagine what that would be 
worth today!)
Thank you jesus,thank you lord.




Show me the WATER!!

2002-05-14 Thread ShowMeTheWater6982671








 Miracle or Science?


 A few days ago, I was told about a product that changes 
 the molecular structure of water from H2O to H3O.OH. 

 In youth, our body naturally converts H2O to H3O.OH, but this 
 phenomenon diminishes (naturally and unnaturally) as we age!

 H3O.OH's role is to continually rejuvenate the body at the cellular 
 level by cleansing, detoxifying and fortifying our entire systems!

 Just drinking the water has really changed some lives.

 Another So-Called Miracle Product?

 Same thing I thought until I learned that this SAME product has 
 been used and distributed in Korea for over 8 years, and is just 
 now coming to America.

 Get on a live daily call and hear these stories of what has 
 happened to some people just by drinking water!  

 This is the best water we know of to drink!  Amazing!

 This is the first time I heard of a company with a 95% reorder rate 
 WITHOUT obligating members to pay monthly!  

 Why? 

 This product seems to promote the well being of the 
 human body so fast, for so little...

 AND you get paid even when you do not order!

 NO MONTHLY AUTOSHIP REQUREMENTS!!!

 Change your Water  Change your Life!


 TESTIMONIALS WE HAVE HEARD: 

 > Gray hair returning to natural color 
 > New hair growth on scalp 
 > Blood sugar readings returning to 120 
 > Increased energy 
 > Scars disappearing 
 > Skin smoothing out 
 > Skin rashes disappearing 

 and so much more... 

 And this is happening in WEEKS, not months or years!

 Skeptical, but curious?

 We understand. Please email me with the words "Show Me The Water" 
 for a link to the web site and a call schedule.

 Send E-mail HERE

 All you need is a U.S. shipping address to become a distributor.

 This is an 8 year old company!  Not another Fly by Night!

 I look forward to hearing from you soon.

 Tim Gilpatrick
 303-655-9944




 To unsubscribe click here













Show me the WATER!!

2002-05-14 Thread ShowMeTheWater1681141









 Miracle or Science?


 A few days ago, I was told about a product that changes 
 the molecular structure of water from H2O to H3O.OH. 

 In youth, our body naturally converts H2O to H3O.OH, but this 
 phenomenon diminishes (naturally and unnaturally) as we age!

 H3O.OH's role is to continually rejuvenate the body at the cellular 
 level by cleansing, detoxifying and fortifying our entire systems!

 Just drinking the water has really changed some lives.

 Another So-Called Miracle Product?

 Same thing I thought until I learned that this SAME product has 
 been used and distributed in Korea for over 8 years, and is just 
 now coming to America.

 Get on a live daily call and hear these stories of what has 
 happened to some people just by drinking water!  

 This is the best water we know of to drink!  Amazing!

 This is the first time I heard of a company with a 95% reorder rate 
 WITHOUT obligating members to pay monthly!  

 Why? 

 This product seems to promote the well being of the 
 human body so fast, for so little...

 AND you get paid even when you do not order!

 NO MONTHLY AUTOSHIP REQUREMENTS!!!

 Change your Water  Change your Life!


 TESTIMONIALS WE HAVE HEARD: 

 > Gray hair returning to natural color 
 > New hair growth on scalp 
 > Blood sugar readings returning to 120 
 > Increased energy 
 > Scars disappearing 
 > Skin smoothing out 
 > Skin rashes disappearing 

 and so much more... 

 And this is happening in WEEKS, not months or years!

 Skeptical, but curious?

 We understand. Please email me with the words "Show Me The Water" 
 for a link to the web site and a call schedule.

 Send E-mail HERE

 All you need is a U.S. shipping address to become a distributor.

 This is an 8 year old company!  Not another Fly by Night!

 I look forward to hearing from you soon.

 Tim Gilpatrick
 303-655-9944




 To unsubscribe click here














Re: Eyes on the Prize...not the Millicent Ghetto

2002-05-14 Thread R. A. Hettinga

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At 10:34 PM -0700 on 5/13/02, Richard Fiero wrote:


> Um, that $4 trillion didn't move around in trucks speeding on
> highways. It's just a bunch of marks on hard drives and very
> little money actually changed owners. Already electronic.
> Already secure. Extremely mobile.

Correct. And it can only be transferred, in very big chunks, from one
bank to another, taking at least 24 hours to clear and settle because
of still mostly batch-processed bookeeping applications. The stuff
we're talking about is much more mobile, it clears instantly, and
considerably less expensive, so that ordinary people with an internet
connection, and eventually ordinary machines, can pay each other
increasingly smaller and smaller amounts as technology evolves.

> As the article excerpted below states, in 2001 there was about
> $620 billion dollars in US currency out there somewhere and 65%
> was in $100 dollar bills.

Sure. I've read Rogoff, and Doyle, who he cites, before. Rogoff says
nothing new there that everyone in the money business doesn't say
already -- and the Bank for International Settlement has much better
data, by the way. http://www.bis.org/cpss/cpsspubl.htm is a good
place to start. The Kansas City Fed also has a good database, called
FRED :-), containing all the various monetary aggregate figures in it
going back at least to the turn of the 20th century.


*My* point is that there hasn't been implementation of a working
bearer-settled internet transaction system yet. I would probably
claim that that when it's up and running, and proven to be cheap
enough, that the amount of cash in circulation of various national
currencies will easily double in 5 years, and go up from there. I
also expect that, if it's cheap enough, internet bearer transactions
will almost completely replace book-entry settled payment and finance
within 25 years. Or at least to the same ratio that book-entry
transactions dominate physical delivery of paper bearer instruments
today, which, as inadvertently noted above, is pocket lint.


Cheers,
RAH


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R. A. Hettinga 
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'




Re: trillions a day?

2002-05-14 Thread Tim May

On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, at 08:10  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On 13 May 2002 at 18:27, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
>
>> Right, though I'm sure you're wishing it wasn't. Again, crime,
>> illegal markets if you will are piddly bits of pocket fluff in the
>> global economy. $4 trillion worth of foreign exchange alone happened
>> today.
>
> How could this possibly be true? :ast I checked, GDP for the US
> was about 10 trillion bucks a year,  the combined GDP of
> every nation on earth per year can't be more than 100 trillion,
> most of which doesn't involve anything crosiing a border,
> so how can there possibly be trillions of dollars worth of
> foreign exchange a day?
>

Because GDP is a measure (flawed, of course) of _production_, not of 
money being shipped around.

(I'm assuming Hettinga was talking about overall money flows, not just 
payment for goods purchased, a narrower definition of "foreign 
exchange.")

To see this simply, imagine your own annual income of, say, $50,000. (No 
insinuations intended as to your wealth or lack of it.)

You could wire $20K to a bank, wire it again to another bank, wire it 
againeasy to have a total amount transferred that is many times your 
annual income. Economists talk about "velocity of money" and all, but 
this illustrates the point. The same money is being moved many times.

Transactions are not just "You grow corn. I pay you for corn. Here is 
money."

I have no idea whether the $4 trillion figure for a day is correct, but 
it's plausible. Checking with Google, I find this:

"SWIFT is the industry-owned cooperative supplying secure messaging 
services and interface software to 7,000 financial institutions in 196 
countries. SWIFT carried over 1.5 billion messages in 2001. The average 
daily value of payment messages on SWIFT is estimated to be above USD 6 
trillion."
http://www.globalcrossing.com/xml/news/2002/april/02.xml


So, this is how the daily money flow can be so large compared to the 
daily GDP.

--Tim May
"Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and
strangled with her panty hose,  is somehow morally superior to a woman 
explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound"




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RE: trillions a day?

2002-05-14 Thread Trei, Peter



> --
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:10 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  trillions a day?
> 
> On 13 May 2002 at 18:27, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> 
> > Right, though I'm sure you're wishing it wasn't. Again, crime,
> > illegal markets if you will are piddly bits of pocket fluff in the
> > global economy. $4 trillion worth of foreign exchange alone happened
> > today. 
> 
> How could this possibly be true? :ast I checked, GDP for the US
> was about 10 trillion bucks a year,  the combined GDP of
> every nation on earth per year can't be more than 100 trillion,
> most of which doesn't involve anything crosiing a border,
> so how can there possibly be trillions of dollars worth of
> foreign exchange a day?
>  
> George
> 
Because the money that moves is not the same as the value
of the goods that move. 

Back in the 80's, I worked at Irving Trust, a large, venerable
(and since taken-over) major money center bank in NYC
(I was literally across the street from the WTC). I worked
on telecommunications software. 

In Federal Funds alone, we typically moved about 100 
BILLION dollars a day. That was 15 years ago, on just 
one system, at just one bank.

I was as incredulous as you, until I worked out what was
going on - like the tide, the same money was passing
through our computers each day. A massive,  invisible 
tsunami of money flows all the way around the world 
every 24 hours, chasing the sun and the best return.

Now there's in image to conjure with.

Peter Trei





Re: Eyes on the Prize...not the Millicent Ghetto

2002-05-14 Thread Richard Fiero

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> --
>On 13 May 2002 at 22:34, Richard Fiero wrote:
> > As the article excerpted below states, in 2001 there was about
> > $620 billion dollars in US currency out there somewhere and 65%
> > was in $100 dollar bills.
>
>Presumably most of those $100 bills are changing hands in
>suitcases and brown paper bags, exposing the owners to
>considerable personal risk in each transaction.  However, in many
>countries, most for example Argentina, the government routinely
>engages in bank robbery, making the banking system pretty much
>unusable.
>
>Many of those holders of bags of $100 bills would find a quiet
>electronic version very handy.  . . .

As the article points out, $1 million fits in a briefcase 
nicely but the Euro's largest denomination is 500 which will 
allow $1 million to fit into a purse. From the article:
" I am not an expert in cryptography, but I think it may take 
quite a while to devise an electronic money that guarantees 
anonymity in the same way that cash does."




Spoliation

2002-05-14 Thread measl


Yeah, I know, this is long gone... But... I still thought there would be
interest.

-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message -
From: "Rae Cogar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:26 AM
Subject: website case


> Here is a recently reported case from California that found a company
> guilty of spoliation of evidence by changing information on their
> website during litigation.   One point made by the court in this case is
> there were no policies or procedures for the updating or deleting of
> material from the website.  You can find this opinion at:
>
>
>
http://www.cand.uscourts.gov/cand/tentrule.nsf/4f9d4c4a03b0cf70882567980073b
> 2e4/cf68f686007991fa88256af1006a9e16?OpenDocument
>
> (you will need to cut and paste url)
>
> Spoliation Sanctions for Deletion of Web Page
> The defendant corporation moved to dismiss for lack of personal
> jurisdiction, denying minimum contacts with the state of California.
> The plaintiff offered as evidence a page from the defendant's web site
> that listed a California office address.  While the motion was pending,
> the California address disappeared from the defendant's web site.
> Though one employee of the defendant testified that he had deleted the
> page in routine maintenance, there was no corporate maintenance policy
> that would explain the deletion.  The court granted the plaintiff's
> motion to enjoin further spoliation and ordered that the defendant pay
> plaintiff's attorney's fees as a sanction. Pennar Software Corp. v.
> Fortune 500 Sys., 51 Fed. R. Serv. 279 (N.D. Cal. 2001).
>
>
> Another case for good records management!
>
> Rae Cogar, Esq.
> RCS Consulting
> Hamburg, NY  716-646-6192
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]





burbclave tech

2002-05-14 Thread Khoder bin Hakkin

TCM Wrote:
> The second is my favorite, by far. Robinson captures the essence of
OC's
> crowds, the surfers, the burbclaves (years before Stephenson's "Snow
> Crash," _also_ set in California!).

Hmm.  My OC burbclave just installed a laser-barcode scanner to admit
cars.
(The barcodes are discrete black on black in the visible and work in the
IR;
in my night vision device the barcode is quite visible.)

I haven't seen pizza-carrying teens use dupes of the barcodes to skate
inside,
but its possible...




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Re: trillions a day?

2002-05-14 Thread Richard Fiero

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On 13 May 2002 at 18:27, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
>
> > Right, though I'm sure you're wishing it wasn't. Again, crime,
> > illegal markets if you will are piddly bits of pocket fluff in the
> > global economy. $4 trillion worth of foreign exchange alone happened
> > today.
>
>How could this possibly be true? :ast I checked, GDP for the US
>was about 10 trillion bucks a year,  the combined GDP of
>every nation on earth per year can't be more than 100 trillion,
>most of which doesn't involve anything crosiing a border,
>so how can there possibly be trillions of dollars worth of
>foreign exchange a day?
>
>George

The $4 trillion doesn't actually go anywhere. It's mostly put 
up as risk-management and exchange tweaking. Like pork bellies, 
dig? You buy the options but no truck actually comes and 
unloads a mound of pork on your front lawn.

Keep in mind that US currency is US Government debt. The more 
stashed under mattresses, the less debt has to ever be 
"repaid." As the article mentions, if non-interest bearing 
currency becomes less popular, then the debt will have to be 
financed at higher cost through interest-bearing bonds.





Re: Eyes on the Prize...not the Millicent Ghetto

2002-05-14 Thread jamesd

--
James A. Donald:
> > Seems to me that most of our economy is arguably illegal.

R. A. Hettinga
> Fine. Document that, pease. Show me statistics.

Obviously that is a claim that cannot be directly documented,
since most people decline to register their business with the
department of census and statistics as "engaged primarily in
illegal activity"

However every business that I have been involved in, where I have
been in a position to know, has been extensively violating some
laws in some fashion -- personal anecdotes, where I cannot give
details.

There are also many sweeping decrees where it is not clear what is
intended, or what will be enforced, and one can make a plausible
argument that current practice is arguably legal -- but not a very
good argument.  For example AOL, Verant, Yahoo, and perhaps
Microsoft are arguably in violation of COPA.  Almost everyone
necessarily operates in gray areas, often fairly openly, and
wherever I have been in a position to know, most people were in
some respects operating in black areas, not at all openly.

There are so many laws, that it is impossible to operate a
business entirely legally.

> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, right?

What is extraordinary about this claim:  If most individuals can
rack up multiple felony offenses while scarcely realizing it,
think what a pickle the average business must be in.

When the federal register is requires a fleet of trucks, when I
have committed several hundred years worth of felonies without
doing anything that the ordinary middle respectable middle class
male would regard as very disreputable, I do not see what is so
extraordinary about that claim.

> Illegal drugs are probably a few tens of billions of dollars a
> year. Timmy Leary quoted $50 billion in the early 80's at the
> height of the Columbian cocaine boom. I'll take triple that

Add AOL, Yahoo, Verant, and Microsoft to the crips and the bloods.
My usenet server has a sign up web page that emphasizes privacy,
anonymity, lack of logs, absence of censorship, and completeness
of newsgroups -- I get the impression that a large part of their
customer base is people downloading child pornography.

> Frankly, the amount of formerly illegal business now declared
> legal, in a gross sense, has gone up dramatically in the last
> 10-15 years

In Russia what we saw is not so much legalization, as collapse of
enforcement -- the long existing illegal market that kept Stalin's
economy going has now wholly displaced the socialist economy, a
process that in restrospect was visible under Khruschev, and was
visible to me at the time under Brezhnev.  A similar collapse
seems to be under way in America.  Here in America we are in a
situation equivalent to the early Brezhnev years.

> We're legislating "crime" out of statistical significance, just
> by making most of it legal,

Most legislation makes more things illegal, not more things legal. 

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Re: Eyes on the Prize...not the Millicent Ghetto

2002-05-14 Thread jamesd

--
On 13 May 2002 at 22:34, Richard Fiero wrote:
> As the article excerpted below states, in 2001 there was about 
> $620 billion dollars in US currency out there somewhere and 65% 
> was in $100 dollar bills.

Presumably most of those $100 bills are changing hands in
suitcases and brown paper bags, exposing the owners to
considerable personal risk in each transaction.  However, in many
countries, most for example Argentina, the government routinely
engages in bank robbery, making the banking system pretty much
unusable.

Many of those holders of bags of $100 bills would find a quiet
electronic version very handy. 

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"Dirty Money"

2002-05-14 Thread Steve Schear

>  Centre for Research on Globalisation
>
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/PET108A
>
>
>"Dirty Money"
>   Foundation of US Growth and Empire
>
>   Size and Scope of Money Laundering
> by US Banks
>
>by James Petras
>   Professor of Sociology, Binghamton University
>
>   La Jornada, Mexico, 19th May 2001
> Posted at globalresearch.ca 29 August 2001
>
>
>
>There is a consensus among U.S. Congressional
>Investigators, former bankers and international
>banking experts that U.S. and European banks
>launder between $500 billion and $1 trillion of dirty
>money each year, half of which is laundered by
>U.S. banks alone. As Senator Carl Levin
>summarizes the record: "Estimates are that $500
>billion to $1 trillion of international criminal
>proceeds are moved internationally and
>deposited into bank accounts annually. It is
>estimated that half of that money comes to the
>United States".
>
>
>
>Over a decade then, between $2.5 and $5 trillion
>criminal proceeds have been laundered by U.S.
>banks and circulated in the U.S. financial circuits.
>Senator Levin's statement however, only covers
>criminal proceeds, according to U.S. laws. It does
>not include illegal transfers and capital flows from
>corrupt political leaders, or tax evasion by overseas
>businesses. A leading U.S. scholar who is an expert
>on international finance associated with the
>prestigious Brookings Institute estimates "the flow
>of corrupt money out of developing (Third World)
>and transitional (ex-Communist) economies into
>Western coffers at $20 to $40 billion a year and the
>flow stemming from mis-priced trade at $80 billion a
>year or more. My lowest estimate is $100 billion per
>year by these two means by which we facilitated a
>trillion dollars in the decade, at least half to the
>United States. Including the other elements of illegal
>flight capital would produce much higher figures. The
>Brookings expert also did not include illegal shifts of
>real estate and securities titles, wire fraud, etc.
>
>In other words, an incomplete figure of dirty money
>(laundered criminal and corrupt money) flowing into
>U.S. coffers during the 1990s amounted to $3-$5.5
>trillion. This is not the complete picture but it gives
>us a basis to estimate the significance of the "dirty
>money factor" in evaluating the U.S. economy. In the
>first place, it is clear that the combined laundered
>and dirty money flows cover part of the U.S. deficit
>in its balance of merchandise trade which ranges in
>the hundreds of billions annually. As it stands, the
>U.S. trade deficit is close to $300 billion. Without
>the "dirty money" the U.S. economy external
>accounts would be totally unsustainable, living
>standards would plummet, the dollar would weaken,
>the available investment and loan capital would
>shrink and Washington would not be able to sustain
>its global empire. And the importance of laundered
>money is forecast to increase. Former private banker
>Antonio Geraldi, in testimony before the Senate
>Subcommittee projects significant growth in U.S.
>bank laundering. "The forecasters also predict the
>amounts laundered in the trillions of dollars and
>growing disproportionately to legitimate funds." The
>$500 billion of criminal and dirty money flowing into
>and through the major U.S. banks far exceeds the
>net revenues of all the IT companies in the U.S., not
>to speak of their profits. These yearly inflows
>surpass all the net transfers by the major U.S. oil
>producers, military industries and airplane
>manufacturers. The biggest U.S. banks, particularly
>Citibank, derive a high percentage of their banking
>profits from serving these criminal and dirty money
>accounts. The big U.S. banks and key institutions
>sustain U.S. global power via their money laundering
>and managing of illegally obtained overseas funds.



>The URL of this article is:
>http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/PET108A
>
>Published with the permission of the author. For fair use only.




Re: Bad guys vs. Good guys

2002-05-14 Thread Alan Braggins

Ken Brown wrote:
> Er, I hit "send" prematurely, and I meant to go on to say that I have
> often used 1 or 200 UKP in folding money - it is easy to do with
> universal availability of ATMs.
[...]
> Of course that doesn't apply to genuinely expensive items. I'm not sure
> I ever spend more than maybe 200 UKP (300 USD) in cash at one time.

I've bought cars for more than that with cash. (Not $25,000 ones though).
But that starts to need to be planned, rather than just withdrawn from
an ATM in one go.




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trillions a day?

2002-05-14 Thread georgemw

On 13 May 2002 at 18:27, R. A. Hettinga wrote:

> Right, though I'm sure you're wishing it wasn't. Again, crime,
> illegal markets if you will are piddly bits of pocket fluff in the
> global economy. $4 trillion worth of foreign exchange alone happened
> today. 

How could this possibly be true? :ast I checked, GDP for the US
was about 10 trillion bucks a year,  the combined GDP of
every nation on earth per year can't be more than 100 trillion,
most of which doesn't involve anything crosiing a border,
so how can there possibly be trillions of dollars worth of
foreign exchange a day?
 
George





Verba Volant 14-MAY-2002

2002-05-14 Thread Verba Volant

Verba Volant 14-MAY-2002,
Every day a new quotation translated into many languages. 

_ 
Quotation of the day:
Author -
Truman
Harry S.
English- it's a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it's a depression when you lose your own
Albanian- ka rënie ekonomike kur fqinji yt humb punën, depresion kur e humb ti 
Asturian- ye recensión cuando 'l to vecín pierde 'l trabayu, ye depresión cuando yes tu quien lu pierde 
Basque- atzeraldia da auzokoa lanik gabe geratzea eta beheraldia da lanik gabe norbera geratzea 
Bolognese- l'é una rezesiån quand al tô aSvén al pêrd al lavurîr; l'é una depresiån quand t al pêrd té 
Brazilian Portuguese- é recessão quando o teu vizinho perde o emprego, e depressão quando o perdes tu 
Bresciano- l'è recesiù quand che el pèrt el laurà el tò visì; l'è depresiù quand che tal pèrdet té 
Breton- ar resedin eo pa goll da amezeg e labour; un enkadenn eo pa gollez da hini 
Calabrese- è recessiuni quannu u vicinu tuo perdi lu lavoro;è depressiuni quannu lu perdisi tu 
Catalan- és recessió quan el teu veí perd el treball; és depressió quan el perds tu 
Danish- kaldes det recessionen hvis naboen mister jobbet og depressionen hvis det er dig der mister det 
Dutch- het is recessie wanneer je buur zijn job verliest, het is depressie wanneer je ze zelf verliest 
Emiliano Romagnolo- u's c'ema recesioun quand' e tu vicioin a perd e' post; depresioun quand' ci tò a perd 
Estonian- on madalkonjunktuur kui su naaber kaotab töö ja majanduskriis kui kaotad enda oma 
Ferrarese- l'az ciama "recesione" quand'al tò vsìn al perd al laör; l'az ciama "depresione" quand'a t'al perdi ti 
Finnish- on laskusuhdanne kun naapurisi menettää työpaikkansa ja lama kun menetät omasi 
Flemish- het is recessie wanneer je buur zijn job verliest, het is depressie wanneer je ze zelf verliest 
French- la récession, c¿est quand le voisin perd son emploi. La dépression, c¿est quand on se retrouve soi-même au chômage 
Furlan- 'e jè recession cuant che il to dongje al piert il lavôr; 'e jè depression cuant che tu lu pierdis tu 
Galician- é recensión cando o teu viciño perde o traballo; é depresión cando o perdes ti 
German- es ist eine Rezession wenn Dein Nachbar seinen Job verliert; es ist eine Depression wenn Du Deinen eigenen Job verlierst 
Hungarian- amikor a szomszéd munkanélküli lesz, akkor az recesszió; amikor te leszel az, akkor az depresszió 
Italian- è recessione quando il tuo vicino perde il lavoro; è depressione quando lo perdi tu 
Judeo Spanish- resesion es kuando tu vizino piedre su lavoro, depresion es kuando lo piedres tu 
Latin- remissio est cum vicinus tuus opus amittit, regressio cum tu amittis 
Leonese- recesión ye cuandu'l tou vecín pierde'l trabayu, depresión ye cuandu lu pierdes tú 
Limburgian- resêsse, da's as z'ne geboer ze wêrrek kweit ès; deprêsse ès as dich 't zaajn kweit bès 
Lombardo- l'è recession quand che el tò visin el gh'ha pù de lavorà; l'è depression quand che te ghe n'heet pù ti 
Mantuan- l'è recesion quand chi 't conosi al perd al post, l'è depresion quand t'al perdi ti 
Mudnés- l'è recèsiòun quand un conosèint l'armàin disocupè, ma l'è depresiòun quand t'è te a perdèr al lavòr 
Norwegian- det er nedgangstider når din nabo mister jobben - en depresjon når du mister din egen 
Occitan- es recession quora ton vesin perd lo trabalh, es depression quora lo perdes tu 
Papiamentu- ta un reseshon ora bo bisiña perde su trabou i un depreshon ora abo perde di bo 
Parmigiano- 'é recesión cuando tu sven al perda su lavor, l'é depresión cuando lo perdes tu 
Piemontese- la recession a l'é cand tò avzin a perd ël travaj, la depresson a l'é cand it lo perde ti 
Portuguese- é recessão quando o nosso vizinho perde o emprego; é depressão quando perdemos o nosso 
Reggiano- l'ecpnomia la gira sopa quand armagm disocupee al too visinant; l'an gira piò quand al disocupee t'è tè 
Roman- è recessione quanno er vicino tuo perde er lavoro; è depressione quanno 'o perdi te 
Sardinian- si tratat de retzessione cando su bighinu tuo perdet su traballu; de depressione cando lu perdes tue 
Spanish- recesión es cuando tu vecino pierde el trabajo; depresión es cuando lo pierdes tú 
Swedish- det är lågkonjunktur när din granne förlorat sitt jobb; det är depression när det gäller dig själv 
Zeneize- a se ciamma recescion quande o tò vexin o perde o travaggio; deprescion quande ti ô perdi ti 
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professor (alleg) threatens entire police force with APster, is facing 10 year bid.

2002-05-14 Thread matthew X

CRIMES ACT 1958 - SECT 20
Threats to kill

20. Threats to kill

A person who, without lawful excuse, makes to another person a threat to kill
that other person or any other person-

(a)  intending that that other person would fear the threat would be
 carried out; or

(b)  being reckless as to whether or not that other person would fear the
 threat would be carried out-

is guilty of an indictable offence.
Penalty: Level 5 imprisonment (10 years maximum).
FROM
(1A) Treasonable Offences 9A. Treason (2) Child Destruction 10. Offence of 
child destruction (3) Repealed 14 11-14. Repealed 14 (4) Offences against 
the person 15. Definitions 16. Causing serious injury intentionally 17. 
Causing serious injury recklessly 18. Causing injury intentionally or 
recklessly 19. Offence to administer certain substances 19A. Intentionally 
causing a very serious disease 20. Threats to kill 21. Threats to inflict 
serious injury 21A. Stalking 22. Conduct endangering life 23. Conduct 
endangering persons 24. Negligently causing serious injury 25. Setting 
traps etc. to kill 26. Setting traps etc. to cause serious injury 27. 
Extortion with threat to kill 28. Extortion with threat to destroy property 
etc. 29. Using firearm to resist arrest etc. 30. Threatening injury to 
prevent arrest 31. Assaults 31A. Use of firearms in the commission of 
offences 32. Offence to perform female genital mutilation
AT
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ca195882/

My lawyer's writing to ask police (sen cont nic Conte) for discovery.
We still have a few lawyers,juries and appeal courts here for the time being.




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Tim May joins Trei on SIC list.

2002-05-14 Thread matthew X

Snitch identifier and classifier,SIC list is forced to add Mongo after he 
dobbed in Jorlin Grabbe.Judas Priest Mongo,what were you thinking!?

 >>I used a VISA debit card to buy a $25,000 Ford Explorer. --Tim May "Dogs 
can't conceive of a group of cats without an alpha cat." --David Honig, on 
the Cypherpunks list, 2001-11 <<
Whoops wrong pompous ass quote,shame it didn't have firestones.
 >>The porn trading rings show this. Go after those markets. What are those 
markets? Recall my .sig from a while back: black markets and unsavory 
transactions, tax avoidance, and so on. This is what Orlin Grabbe has been 
targeting. Check his site out. Use Google. <<

And Mongo has the cheek to call Shoate a rodent.Jorlinn if your reading 
this and want to APster,I'm good for some millicents.This could be humane 
APster like the funds go for a cat scan of Mongos plaques before we snuff 
the snitch.




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