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On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 04:13:31PM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote:
| Actually, the DoT has already ruled positively that one fuel cell from
| Polyfuel
| can be carried on board. They appear to have a cartridge for the methanol,
| similar to a ink cartridge. It's a pity it's methanol - I want to be able to
| tell
| the stewardess "Bring me a double Absolut! My laptop is running low!"
| Even if this company turns vaporware, others won't.

The rules, Mr. Trei, are what we say the rules are.  Now you will be
taking hold of your ankles without further delay!

(Changing the rules on a regular basis has some security value, as it
makes it likely that plans will be ruined.  But it has the cost that
passengers can't plan..)

But as anyone who has ever tried flying without ID knows, the rules
are not rules, employees are not trained on them, and a little social
engineering went a long way.

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Re: Confiscation of Anti-War Video

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 12:01 PM 10/28/02 -0800, Tim May wrote:
>It's going to be interesting to see how airlines and other security
>narcs deal with fuel cells. The energy content of a small
>canister/container of the fuel can be high. Given that butane lighters
>are now banned...

Based on personal experience (e.g., last month), I don't think so re
butane.
Something like a disposable lighter is ok.  A refilling-canister is
not.  Flammable liquids
(e.g., 150 proof rum, explicitly mentioned in places) are not.

>And if these fuel cells are banned on airlines, there goes 90% of the
>market. Tourists and business travelers just won't buy fuel cell-based
>laptops and camcorders if they can't carry them in airports, into
>Disneyland, in public buildings, etc.

Suppose the fuel cartridges were cheap, like nail clippers.  You could
sell them at airport exits.  In flight, up-scale planes supply AC jacks
to passengers.
You get off, get your bags, and buy a cartridge so you can power up in
the taxi.

Or, since sealed cartridges are 'safe', your own supply could travel in
your checked
bag, much like an unloaded gun.

Also, Fuel cells may have integral batteries eg for dealing with
transient heavy loads.
(Some cell phones use supercaps in the same way.  Drain the Li cell at
the rate
it prefers, but the RF power amp has access to the Coulombs stored in
the Farads.)
The batteries could carry you between fuel cartridges for those times
when you can't
have open ones.

Is password guessing legal?

[Major Variola (ret)]

>The e-mails sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] were obtained earlier this month
by first clicking on a link labeled "Check your e-mail in Uruk" on the
homepage of Iraq's state-controlled ISP, Uruklink.net, then guessing the
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<

Did that Wired reporter just admit to a crime?  Does it matter that the
site is overseas?  That they're "Evil(tm)"??

http://wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,55967,00.html

RE: Confiscation of Anti-War Video

[Trei, Peter]

> Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> 
> 
> On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 11:08  AM, Trei, Peter wrote:
> >
> > Batteries are becoming the main drag on this stuff. Hopefully, fuel 
> > cells will be available soon.
> 
> It's going to be interesting to see how airlines and other security 
> narcs deal with fuel cells. The energy content of a small 
> canister/container of the fuel can be high. Given that butane lighters 
> are now banned...
> 
> And if these fuel cells are banned on airlines, there goes 90% of the 
> market. Tourists and business travelers just won't buy fuel cell-based 
> laptops and camcorders if they can't carry them in airports, into 
> Disneyland, in public buildings, etc.
> 
> I assume the developers of fuel cells (Motorola?) are thinking about 
> this issue.
> 
Actually, the DoT has already ruled positively that one fuel cell from
Polyfuel
can be carried on board. They appear to have a cartridge for the methanol,
similar to a ink cartridge. It's a pity it's methanol - I want to be able to
tell
the stewardess "Bring me a double Absolut! My laptop is running low!"
Even if this company turns vaporware, others won't.

(my Microsoft email software will of course mangle the URL:)
http://www.fuelcelltoday.com/FuelCellToday/IndustryInformation/IndustryInfor
mationExternal/NewsDisplayArticle/0,1471,1888,00.html

- start quote - 
Direct Methanol Fuel Cell Approved for Carriage on Aeroplanes

07 October 2002 

Author: Mark Cropper, Fuel Cell Today 
Provider: Fuel Cell Today 

According to reports in BusinessWeek, the US Department of Transportation 
has ruled that a new fuel cell developed by US company Polyfuel can be 
taken on airplanes. 

The announcement clears the way for the commercialisation of fuel cells as
an 
alternative to batteries in notebook computers. The use of direct methanol
fuel 
cells on aeroplanes has been questioned as they contain methanol, which is 
flammable. 

According to Jim Balcom, Polyfuel's CEO, the US DOT said that a fuel cell 
designed by his company could be taken into aircraft cabins when it goes 
on sale because it contains a relatively low concentration of methanol. 

Fuel cells are viewed as a promising power source in notebook comptuers 
as they are instantly refuellable (using fuel cartridges) and will power
laptops 
two to three times longer than standard batteries. 
- end quote -

Fuel Cells on Airplanes (was Re: Confiscation of Anti-War Video)

[Myers Carpenter]

On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 15:01, Tim May wrote:
> On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 11:08  AM, Trei, Peter wrote:
> >
> >
> > Batteries are becoming the main drag on this stuff. Hopefully, fuel 
> > cells
> > will be available soon.
> >
> 
> It's going to be interesting to see how airlines and other security 
> narcs deal with fuel cells. The energy content of a small 
> canister/container of the fuel can be high. Given that butane lighters 
> are now banned...

From:
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-960823.html

Laptop fuel cell gets air clearance
By Michael Kanellos
Special to ZDNet News
October 4, 2002, 10:29 AM PT


The Department of Transportation has ruled that a new fuel cell can be
taken on airplanes, partly clearing the way for commercial acceptance of
this alternative to standard laptop batteries.

Fuel cells, which will let notebook computers run three to 10 times
longer without a recharge, had previously been banned from planes
because they contain methanol, a flammable liquid.

But the DOT said that a cell designed by start-up PolyFuel can ride in
airplane cabins when it emerges commercially because it contains a
relatively low concentration of methanol, according to Jim Balcom,
PolyFuel's CEO. 

[...]

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Re: Confiscation of Anti-War Video

[Tim May]

On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 11:08  AM, Trei, Peter wrote:



Batteries are becoming the main drag on this stuff. Hopefully, fuel 
cells
will be available soon.


It's going to be interesting to see how airlines and other security 
narcs deal with fuel cells. The energy content of a small 
canister/container of the fuel can be high. Given that butane lighters 
are now banned...

And if these fuel cells are banned on airlines, there goes 90% of the 
market. Tourists and business travelers just won't buy fuel cell-based 
laptops and camcorders if they can't carry them in airports, into 
Disneyland, in public buildings, etc.

I assume the developers of fuel cells (Motorola?) are thinking about 
this issue.

By the way, there are perfectly good fixes to the current hysteria 
about things carried on board planes. Besides the obvious absurdity of 
issuing alarms when fingernail clippers are found (but ignoring razor 
sharp edges in things like laptops with metal cases!), there are many 
fixes which can be applied:

1. Carry on bags allowed, but overhead bins locked by stewardesses. 
Underseat bags limited to small essentials needed on a flight. Whether 
laptops would be allowed to be used is a separate issue.

2. Or airlines could end carry-on bags and improve efficiency and 
security of checking baggage.

(Obviously, locking pilot compartment doors and installing small 
cameras is the best solution. The 9/11 attacks are unlikely to ever be 
repeated, for obvious reasons: notably, that prior to 9/11 the strategy 
was "always cooperate fully with hijackers." Things are now 
dramatically different.)

3. Separate passenger travel from cargo and luggage travel. In high 
risk areas, especially. Bags could be sent ahead, or travelers could 
travel very lightly and buy items at their destination.

4. Finally, market solutions are usually best. Any of the above could 
be implemented. If customers feel safer with a different baggage 
policy, they'll pick it. (Yes, I realize there's an externality 
regarding the seizure of an airplane to be used as a weapon against 
others. Even here, most of the "top down" directives have little causal 
connection with real security. They are "feel good" and "CYA" measures.)

--Tim May
""Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who 
approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but 
downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." 
--Patrick Henry

Re: Confiscation of Anti-War Video

[Tim May]

On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 10:51  AM, Tyler Durden wrote:


Well, the possibility of using 802.11b had occurred to me, but right 
now I would think it's too vulnerable. First of all, there will be a 
visible and stationary box somewhere. Second, this has to exist at the 
termination of either a DSL link, cable modem, or T1/fractional T1. 
All of these infrastrctural elements will theoreically be identified 
by the Power that Be.
...

My notion was that Bob, who receives Alice's WiFi signal, is also using 
a laptop, which he simply walks off with. He doesn't need a DSL or 
cablemodem or whatever.

For real-time video, the Alice-Bob setup still works better than Alice 
trying to broadcast by herself directly, as Bob is the unseen (by the 
TP) confederate.

But him walking off and uploading a short time later still accomplishes 
the end of getting the  video out. Real-time is overrated.

Yeah, the authorities could violate the 4th A. and simply seize _all_ 
laptops. I imagine some of the Official Reporters in the crowd would 
raise a stink.

(On a peripherally-related note, the absurdity of the BrinWorld idea 
has always been the strange notion Brin has that video cameras would be 
allowed inside the White House, inside the NSA, inside the Pentagon, or 
even inside the local police station. The monopoly on force employed by 
government ensures that they will have cameras surveilling _us_ but not 
vice versa. Relying on laws to somehow let the cops and narcs and spies 
be surveilled by us is naive.)

As for the guy who posted about the Japanese kids, I would think 
that's a 3G-type application, but it of course doesn't have to be.

3G is having problems, according to a news item I saw this weekend. 
Apparently a bunch of analysts and journalists were invited to Helsinki 
or somesuch to get a demo of the 3G and video capabilities. The demos 
failed, and Nokia and others were forced to show simulated capabilities.

Meanwhile, France and other Europe nations are looking for EU bailouts 
of their telecom industries. France Telecom has a staggering debt, 
partly due to paying so much for 3G licenses while the bubble was still 
inflating.

The mention by another poster about how advanced Japan is should be 
seen in this context: a massive public spending surge. Japan is of 
course entering the basket case stage, for various reasons familiar to 
list members.

--Tim May
"You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher 
moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know 
that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged." - -Michael 
Shirley

RE: Confiscation of Anti-War Video

[Tyler Durden]

Peter Trei wrote...

"Video will come. First though, you'll probably have Bluetooth and/or
802.11a/b/g cameras which can transmit to an unattached recorder
(which might be carried by a different person)."

Between this and Tim May's statement, an interesting thought is beginning to 
arise in my brain. Of course, a single 802.11b termination would be 
vulnerable (and for the most part not even exist, as there really aren't 
that many public sites set up yet).

I'm wondering how stable an uplink could be made to a linked device, via a 
whole flotilla of moving/marching 802.11b switches in various 
backpacks...this would allow there to be multiple pathways to the wire-line 
net perhaps...if one path goes down, there's a reroute, or the equivalent 
Layer 2 functionality.

In this case we're talking about the device holder not knowing who the 
"gargolyes" are (does a switch carrier count as a "gargolye"? Half a 
gargoyle? A "goyle"?). Of course, as people move, connections are broken, 
but the switching/routing protocols should find a new path fairly quickly. 
There are probably buffering-type things that can be done to the video while 
a new link is found, as well.

And of course, the edges of this network are vulnerable to shutdown, but 
there's now the possibility of there being MANY edges...

Just some meandering thoughts...






From: "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'Mike Rosing'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Confiscation of Anti-War Video
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:08:17 -0500

> Mike Rosing[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes:
>
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
>
> > In antoher context I've wondered about the possibility of wireless,
> > near-real-time video upload. With 3G this will cetainly be easy, but 
I'm
> > wondering if there are soft/hard gadgets that can auto-upload 
stuff.(In
> > addition, 3G looks like it's going to roll out in the US only in fits
> and
> > starts over the next bunch of years.)
> >
> > Ideally, this upload would be made directly to WWW, but upload to a
> > safe-haven would certainly be better than nothing (particularly if one
> does
> > not even have any knowledge about where some copies of the upload are
> > auto-uploaded to!).
> >
> > Anyone done anything like this?
>
> You probably can do something like it in Tokyo right now.  There
> are lots of cell phones with cameras built in there.  You just press a
> button and send it as e-mail.  Not exactly streaming video, but 1 frame
> every couple of seconds by 5 people could be done very easily.
>
> I saw 10 year old kids playing with the things.  They were taking 
pictures
> of their noses, and watching their friends on another train send 
pictures
> back.  It felt like I was living in the dark ages coming back to the US!
>
> Patience, persistence, truth,
> Dr. mike
>
Not for live video yet, but you can do this with still images in the US
already. The Sprint 'PCS Vision' system is a 3G phone system. If you
get a Samsung A500 or N400 with a camera attachment, you can
take prictures and send them wirelessly as email. This does not appear
to be an  instant send, integrated system like the Japanese iMode phones
(which I've  also seen, very cool). but it's getting there.

Video will come. First though, you'll probably have Bluetooth and/or
802.11a/b/g cameras which can transmit to an unattached recorder
(which might be carried by a different person).

Batteries are becoming the main drag on this stuff. Hopefully, fuel cells
will be available soon.

Peter Trei


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[Trei, Peter]

> Mike Rosing[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes:
> 
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
> 
> > In antoher context I've wondered about the possibility of wireless,
> > near-real-time video upload. With 3G this will cetainly be easy, but I'm
> > wondering if there are soft/hard gadgets that can auto-upload stuff.(In
> > addition, 3G looks like it's going to roll out in the US only in fits
> and
> > starts over the next bunch of years.)
> >
> > Ideally, this upload would be made directly to WWW, but upload to a
> > safe-haven would certainly be better than nothing (particularly if one
> does
> > not even have any knowledge about where some copies of the upload are
> > auto-uploaded to!).
> >
> > Anyone done anything like this?
> 
> You probably can do something like it in Tokyo right now.  There
> are lots of cell phones with cameras built in there.  You just press a
> button and send it as e-mail.  Not exactly streaming video, but 1 frame
> every couple of seconds by 5 people could be done very easily.
> 
> I saw 10 year old kids playing with the things.  They were taking pictures
> of their noses, and watching their friends on another train send pictures
> back.  It felt like I was living in the dark ages coming back to the US!
> 
> Patience, persistence, truth,
> Dr. mike
> 
Not for live video yet, but you can do this with still images in the US
already. The Sprint 'PCS Vision' system is a 3G phone system. If you
get a Samsung A500 or N400 with a camera attachment, you can 
take prictures and send them wirelessly as email. This does not appear 
to be an  instant send, integrated system like the Japanese iMode phones 
(which I've  also seen, very cool). but it's getting there.

Video will come. First though, you'll probably have Bluetooth and/or
802.11a/b/g cameras which can transmit to an unattached recorder
(which might be carried by a different person).

Batteries are becoming the main drag on this stuff. Hopefully, fuel cells
will be available soon.

Peter Trei

Re: Confiscation of Anti-War Video

[Tyler Durden]

Well, the possibility of using 802.11b had occurred to me, but right now I 
would think it's too vulnerable. First of all, there will be a visible and 
stationary box somewhere. Second, this has to exist at the termination of 
either a DSL link, cable modem, or T1/fractional T1. All of these 
infrastrctural elements will theoreically be identified by the Power that 
Be.

(And "Powers that Be" this would not necessarily be a local thing, but 
perhaps other regimes overseas willing to take more obvious measures to 
prevent information percolation.)

Of course, Cell-based wireless is similar, but the difference (I think) is 
that if the cell site is shut down, cell service in the area dissappears...I 
would think this kind of "accidental" outage would be a hell of lot more 
conspicuous (and less probable) than an 802.11 switch dying.

As for the guy who posted about the Japanese kids, I would think that's a 
3G-type application, but it of course doesn't have to be.





From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Confiscation of Anti-War Video
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:11:51 -0800

On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 08:44  AM, Optimizzin Al-gorithym wrote:


At 10:08 AM 10/28/02 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:

In antoher context I've wondered about the possibility of wireless,
near-real-time video upload. With 3G this will cetainly be easy, but

I'm

wondering if there are soft/hard gadgets that can auto-upload stuff.


Plenty of webcams come with software to auto upload (e.g., ftp).
They require a computer though.  You mean an embedded device?
A 2.5 G phone with a camera, and the 'feature' to autosend
periodically, would be a fine vidbug.

Reminds me of that LEO notice a while back that captors were
leaving their cell phones, and leaving them on, in the copcars.



Seems to me that WiFi solves this problem, at least for public places.

Alice uses a laptop or beltpack machine, with a Webcam or DV camcorder. 
(Minor details of using the laptop while closed...some laptops  support 
this, others shut down. Hence the mention of beltpack/gargoyle machines.)

Bob is within WiFi range, a few hundred feet, but is not obvious to the 
Thought Police.

Alice broadcasts, Bob receives, Alice is arrested for thoughtcrime, Bob 
later uploads.

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[jayh]

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brief activity of a digital camera.

What really might be useful is steganographically placing it on the back of some 
bulshit cellphone call (not likely to arouse much suspicion these days)

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In antoher context I've wondered about the possibility of wireless,
near-real-time video upload.









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>We videoed and photoed the demo, but tape and chip were confiscated Sunday
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Re: Confiscation of Anti-War Video

[Tim May]

On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 08:44  AM, Optimizzin Al-gorithym wrote:


At 10:08 AM 10/28/02 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:

In antoher context I've wondered about the possibility of wireless,
near-real-time video upload. With 3G this will cetainly be easy, but

I'm

wondering if there are soft/hard gadgets that can auto-upload stuff.


Plenty of webcams come with software to auto upload (e.g., ftp).
They require a computer though.  You mean an embedded device?
A 2.5 G phone with a camera, and the 'feature' to autosend
periodically, would be a fine vidbug.

Reminds me of that LEO notice a while back that captors were
leaving their cell phones, and leaving them on, in the copcars.



Seems to me that WiFi solves this problem, at least for public places.

Alice uses a laptop or beltpack machine, with a Webcam or DV camcorder. 
(Minor details of using the laptop while closed...some laptops  support 
this, others shut down. Hence the mention of beltpack/gargoyle 
machines.)

Bob is within WiFi range, a few hundred feet, but is not obvious to the 
Thought Police.

Alice broadcasts, Bob receives, Alice is arrested for thoughtcrime, Bob 
later uploads.

--Tim May
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Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of 
conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are 
peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." --Samuel Adams

Re: Confiscation of Anti-War Video

[Mike Rosing]

On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:

> In antoher context I've wondered about the possibility of wireless,
> near-real-time video upload. With 3G this will cetainly be easy, but I'm
> wondering if there are soft/hard gadgets that can auto-upload stuff.(In
> addition, 3G looks like it's going to roll out in the US only in fits and
> starts over the next bunch of years.)
>
> Ideally, this upload would be made directly to WWW, but upload to a
> safe-haven would certainly be better than nothing (particularly if one does
> not even have any knowledge about where some copies of the upload are
> auto-uploaded to!).
>
> Anyone done anything like this?

You probably can do something like it in Tokyo right now.  There
are lots of cell phones with cameras built in there.  You just press a
button and send it as e-mail.  Not exactly streaming video, but 1 frame
every couple of seconds by 5 people could be done very easily.

I saw 10 year old kids playing with the things.  They were taking pictures
of their noses, and watching their friends on another train send pictures
back.  It felt like I was living in the dark ages coming back to the US!

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Re: Details on lne.com's blocking of Cypherpunks posts??

[Eric Murray]

On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 06:31:40PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
> On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 01:04  PM, Bill Stewart wrote:
> 
> > [Hmm.  lne.com spam-blocked me on the first attempt.
> 
> Can you provide details?
> 
> If lne.com is blocking posts, I will have to find another CP node.


Lne has been blocking mail from spam sites for years.  The original
lne CDR 'charter' posting mentioned that lne blocks spammers.  

But lately the spam has been getting really bad, close to 50% of the
mail we were getting, and then the spammers started doing brute force
name searches as well many thousands per day.  That really
pissed me off.  So I have increased the use of the block list, for
lack of better technology.

The block list isn't intended to keep any mailing list postings out.  The
program that adds to it checks that there isn't a list subscriber at that
site, but it's not perfect.  Especially with list subscribers who have
shadow domains or forwards, which a lot of cpunks list subscribers have.
In Bill's case, a mindspring SMTP server seemed to be a spam haven based
on what we received here, but then Bill's mail got routed through it.

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Re: Confiscation of Anti-War Video

[Optimizzin Al-gorithym]

At 10:08 AM 10/28/02 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
>In antoher context I've wondered about the possibility of wireless,
>near-real-time video upload. With 3G this will cetainly be easy, but
I'm
>wondering if there are soft/hard gadgets that can auto-upload stuff.

Plenty of webcams come with software to auto upload (e.g., ftp).
They require a computer though.  You mean an embedded device?
A 2.5 G phone with a camera, and the 'feature' to autosend
periodically, would be a fine vidbug.

Reminds me of that LEO notice a while back that captors were
leaving their cell phones, and leaving them on, in the copcars.

...
BTW JY needs to learn the Tomlinson trick of switching his chips.
A wee bit of slight of hand.

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At 8:36 AM +0100 on 10/28/02, Eugen Leitl wrote:


> If my traffic is remixed the signature is not linkable to a point of
> origin. The signature emitted is not rich, and can be scrambled in
> principle.

Yes, but the behavior of the signature, the things it does, is biometric.

You can't have persistent reputation otherwise.

Cheers,
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Confiscation of Anti-War Video

[Tyler Durden]

In antoher context I've wondered about the possibility of wireless, 
near-real-time video upload. With 3G this will cetainly be easy, but I'm 
wondering if there are soft/hard gadgets that can auto-upload stuff.(In 
addition, 3G looks like it's going to roll out in the US only in fits and 
starts over the next bunch of years.)

Ideally, this upload would be made directly to WWW, but upload to a 
safe-haven would certainly be better than nothing (particularly if one does 
not even have any knowledge about where some copies of the upload are 
auto-uploaded to!).

Anyone done anything like this?

T.D.











We videoed and photoed the demo, but tape and chip were confiscated Sunday
by the guards at Warrenton Training Center, Site D, near Brandy Station, 
VA,
Site D is the global comm center for State and DoD, and reportedly the CIA:

  http://cryptome.org/wtcd-eyeball.htm

I asked if the shoulder of the road was federal property. Their answer: 
yes.


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Re: Office of Hollywood Security, HollSec

[David Howe]

at Saturday, October 26, 2002 1:18 AM, Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen
to say:
> Yes, but check very carefully whether one is in violation of the
> "anti-hacking" laws (viz. DMCA). By some readings of the laws, merely
> trying to break a cipher is ipso fact a violation.
IIRC, you can't be arrested for cracking a cypher unless that cypher is
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Re: What is the truth of the anti war rallys?

[David E. Weekly]

James,

I was in San Francisco and saw the tail end of the demonstrations. My best
friend Nathan saw the brunt of it.

42,000 seems like a very just and reasonable estimate for the size of the
total march. Then all of the reasonable people went home (when the permit
was up) and there were left some ~300-odd total idiotic wackos (one
proclaiming "technology is destroying us! culture is destroying us! we must
smash civilization!" to much cheering and being immediately followed by a
speaker emphasising the need for "increased research and development of
solar cars" to cheering from the same people). The photos may have been of
this group. I, for one, took a few photos of this group and the assorted
police.

There were, at no point in time that I could see, a mere group of forty
people participating.

There were well over 40 police officers alone, some horseback mounted, many
in cars, many on motorcycles, some in paddywagons, and a HUGE number on
foot, marching about like soldiers.

The media is not pulling the wool over your eyes on this one. Think about
it -- you really can't get away with misrepresentations of that magnitude.
They may be fooling us in other regards, but this is not one of those.

-david

RE: What is the truth of the anti war rallys?

[John Young]

We were at the DC march. It took two hours to pass a point, and we left
before the end had appeared, in fact couldn't see the end. The Wash Post
reported
over 100,000 participated, "largest since Vietnam."

We videoed and photoed the demo, but tape and chip were confiscated Sunday
by the guards at Warrenton Training Center, Site D, near Brandy Station, VA,
Site D is the global comm center for State and DoD, and reportedly the CIA:

  http://cryptome.org/wtcd-eyeball.htm

I asked if the shoulder of the road was federal property. Their answer: yes.
The state trooper looked at the ground and scratched it with his shoe.
I said the no trespass sign was twenty feet from the road. A guard said
the road is federal property.

A VA state trooper participated as well, but after checking our rental car
info
had nothing to say about the alleged trespass. We were on the shoulder
of the road along Site D.

We asked what database our (me and wife) ID stuff would be put into.
The guards said it will go in our own db and will not be available to anyone
else, for example, if you are pulled over by the police and a run is made on
you, this incident will not appear.

I asked if they were contract guards and the answer was no, we are federal
employees.

The golf ball antenna are giant-sized, some 80 feet in diameter and are
visible from a half-mile away. An enclosing fence stops at a line of trees and
the site is open thereafter. I asked why does the fence stop. A guard said it
just does. I asked if the site allows visitors. Answer: no.

We were told to call the site's public affairs office to check on the
status of
our tape and chip. Frissell, no warrant, just a command to hand over the 
tape and chip or the equipment. 

What terrorism analysts will be made of two hours of DC-demo tape is a duh.

Re: What is the truth of the anti war rallys?

[Bill Stewart]

Estimating crowd sizes is difficult even if you don't have
good visibility, and for most events, there are at least
two or three sets of people estimating crowd size who have
axes to grind that bias their results.  Washington DC's
especially bad about that.

According to the newsblurb we heard in San Francisco,
the Washington DC park police have stopped routinely giving out
estimates of crowd size, but it was in the "tens of thousands",
an number that stretches from about 10,000 to 1,000,000.
Their estimates were often politically driven,
and I don't know if their refusal to estimate is to avoid
getting caught in politics (probably) or because it sounds smaller
than the probable size so it's still political.
I saw some CSPAN coverage of the speakers later that night,
but didn't see any wide-area crowd shots, just a few near-stage ones.

The San Francisco event did pack the square in front of city hall,
and apparently during the march from Justin Herman Plaza to city hall,
they pretty much filled the street all the way - it's about 1.5 miles.
I don't know how many people it takes to fill the plaza,
but 42,000 is a believable number.  If you were hearing it
consistently, that means that one source reported it first and
everybody else copied it (probably either the police or the organizers.)

We were trying to meet some people who were on Market Street,
so we didn't get to see the crowd on Justin Herman plaza,
and crowd dynamics made it impractical to stand on anything tall enough
to see crowd size when things were getting started.
The crowd stayed relatively compact until the march started -
while we were looking for parking on the way there,
we were hoping that it would be larger than the crowd farther down
the Embarcadero who were there for the Red Bull FlugTag fair,
but once we got to the main area, no worries about that :-)

Re: Details on lne.com's blocking of Cypherpunks posts??

[John Young]

Lne has blocked all my messages for about a month, though that is
a small number. A spam rejection is returned.

Re: Details on lne.com's blocking of Cypherpunks posts??

[Bill Stewart]

At 06:31 PM 10/27/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote:

On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 01:04  PM, Bill Stewart wrote:


[Hmm.  lne.com spam-blocked me on the first attempt.


Can you provide details?

If lne.com is blocking posts, I will have to find another CP node.


I don't think Eric will mind me quoting his reply to me on the
mail I sent him directly - it was "Fixed, my apologies",
so I'm assuming this was just a temporary problem.

It also didn't like it when I used his webform to report the problem;
something about the format of "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" annoyed it,
probably the dot in the middle of the name field,
or perhaps the fact that I was using the Earthlink dialup
rather than the AT&T work dialup.
But my later re-postings did go through.

Re: False statement: "Since cypherpunks no longer code"

[Tim May]

On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 11:03  PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:


I was basing my statement solely on basis of what has come across this
list. Since you cited current and important work which has not been
visible to list participants I fully retract my statement, and  
apologize
for the cheap shot.

Thanks, but this still is not quite correct. The "coding" has in fact  
been discussed here on this list, or pointers given to it.

1. BitTorrent has been discussed several times. For example,

http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.2002.03.18-2002.03.24/ 
msg00285.html

Bram Cohen gave an update at a meeting last winter, then at CodeCon,  
then at the meeting last month.

2. PGP and the new release of PGP 8.0 by PGP Corporation have been  
discussed a few times. Jon Callas, Chief SomethingIForget at PGP  
Corporation, gave a presentation at the meeting on PGP directions and  
some details of PGP 8. There have also been discussions on the list.

3. Eric Blossom talked about the Software Defined Radio he and others,  
including Steve Schear, are working on. He also gave a demo of the  
radio at a Cypherpunks meeting last spring (also in Santa Cruz,  
coincidentally). This was discussed on the mailing list (someone even  
forwarded some announcements from a leading shortwave radio maker about  
their own version of a SDR).

4. Len Sassaman, who now is the main keeper of the MixMaster code,  
described the status of the code and features being added. I'm not sure  
how much of this gets currently discussed on the CP list, given that  
there's a separate remailer operators list which interested folks  
subscribe to. But remailers still get mentioned, and of course used, by  
folks on the list.

So, in these four areas real code is being generated. These get  
mentioned on the list...one just has to notice them, and remember.

My main point is to refute the defeatism that often is clothed in the  
language of cynicism and ennui. Much is still being done. It isn't  
getting the attention of the press, which is probably a good thing.  
(They have moved on to other topics. And nobody is being threatened  
with jail, so crypto is no longer as edgy as it was when PRZ was facing  
prosecution, when crypto exports were illegal, when Clipper was in the  
news.)

There was some other good code talked about. Mike Korns has a truly  
massive "agent" program running, doing data mining with live stock  
market data. While not strictly related to the main themes of  
Cypherpunks, he's a friend of mine and I invited him and his wife to  
the meeting, and then I invited him to give a brief talk (all of the  
talks were brief...all were held to a maximum of 15 minutes, to reduce  
droning and PowerPoint bullshit marketing slides). His system is a  
programming tour de force, IMO, based in a mix of C, LISP, and  
Javascript.

The role of agents and of complex systems in general in cypherpunkish  
digital economies is a fertile area. Logic, belief, and Bayesian  
reasoning are all candidates. (I gave a 10-minute talk on nonstandard  
logic, specifically some formalisms from Brouwer and Heyting, and  
connected it to propagation of belief. As in reputation systems, with  
some degree of transitivity in belief propagation.

As someone said to me later in the evening, he's been waiting for 10  
years for crypto to turn to mathematical logic for ideas. Too soon to  
know if this is happening, but it's exciting.

(Regrettably, Dave Molnar could not be at the meeting, being that he  
was back at Harvard by the time of the meeting. He and Steve Schear had  
come out to my house a few weeks earlier and we'd had a good discussion  
of these topics. Dave also showed up at one of our informal Math Group  
evening meetings near Stanford, where several of us meet to talk about  
things like category theory.)

Anyway, the mantra "Cypherpunks write code" is more than just about  
writing Python scripts or C++ library modules. It is really about  
_building_ things. Sometimes with soldering irons, sometimes with  
compilers, sometimes even with words. People have different skills.  
Expecting them all to be C language experts is silly. Most of the best  
number theorists are not programmers at all...they have grad students  
and the like for that. And many of the best cryptographers are not  
number theorists. (I could go on about this for hours, about the  
absurdity of people who want to do crypto thinking they need to learn  
number theory! Even Rivest, Shamir, and Adleman knew essentially no  
number theory. One of them got the idea that maybe the difficulty of  
factoring could be used as the core for what they were doing...I have  
also heard that the idea came from another on the staff at MIT, but I  
won't get into that right now. Then they "crammed" and learned what  
they needed to learn about stuff like Euler's totient function, methods  
for finding primes, etc. It was enough.

Sorry for the digression. The point is that newcomers to crypt

RE: What is the truth of the anti war rallys?

[Morlock Elloi]

> Does anyone know the truth from his own eyes, or a more 
> complete set of images?

The Civic Center Plaza was practically filled. It's about 150 x 100 meters,
assuming 2 people per m2 it comes to around 30,000, and there were lots of
people around as well.

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[silk] I Went Down to the Demonstration... (fwd)

[Eugen Leitl]

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:28:12 +0530
From: Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [silk] I Went Down to the Demonstration...

 From John Perry Barlow. Interesting.

Udhay

>-->>  -->
>
>100, 000 March in San Francisco. Media Fail to Notice.
>
>So I went down to the demonstration yesterday. Instead of getting my fair 
>share of abuse - the San Francisco police were as non-confrontational as 
>Muppits - I was ignored. Along with anywhere from 50,000 to 150,000 other 
>people.
>
>In spite of its being largest and most demographically diverse 
>demonstration I've seen in a long career of dissent, the closest the Bay 
>Area peace march came to being a national event was a mention on page 8 of 
>the New York Times that thousands had also gathered in San Francisco.
>
>Perhaps if it had turned violent... But probably not. As I said in my last 
>blast, the best way to neutralize us is to pretend that we don't exist. 
>The puzzling question to me is, why are the media going along with George 
>II on this. What the hell is in it for them?
>
>I mean, we know that the war sells papers. William Randolph Hearst, a 
>pioneer in this regard, told his photographer in Cuba - where the 
>battleship Maine  had just exploded, providing the excuse for the 
>Spanish-American War - "You get the pictures. I'll get the war."
>
>But if all you're trying to do is to get and keep public attention, any 
>popular fracas will suffice. I am certain that a lot of people bought the 
>paper today to find out about yesterday's demonstrations. Why couldn't 
>such a modest desire find its gratification? It's weird. I can think of no 
>mechanism by which the White House could directly muzzle the press without 
>someone getting the word out over the Internet. But something is making 
>the media act as if opposition to this war is no big deal.
>
>But from where I was marching, it looked like a big deal, and not simply 
>because everything I'm involved with looks like a big deal to me. This was 
>huge. Let me tell you a little about it, since apparently no one else is 
>going to.
>
>I've been on the road with Mountain Girl Garcia. We have been staying at 
>her daughter Trixie's Julia Morgan house in Oakland and decided to take 
>BART across the Bay rather than experience the agony of looking for a 
>parking place in a city that doesn't have parking places even when nothing 
>unusual is going on in town.  When we got to the north Oakland BART 
>station around 11:00, there was already a line for the ticket machines 
>that snaked half an hour out into the parking lot. The train, when we 
>finally got on it, was breathing room only. There was a line to get out of 
>the station at the Embarcadero.
>
>I'm not keen on being in line, but these experiences were not at all 
>unpleasant. There was a lovely energy among the protesters, who seemed to 
>be of all social sorts. It was not just the usual suspects. There were 
>children, old people, men in suits, as well as people who will never wear 
>a suit. A lot of tweedy academic types. Not so many with darker skins, I 
>regret to say, but some. The only truly common element seemed to be a 
>pleasant civilization.
>
>And there were one hell of a lot of us.
>
>When we finally got up to Market Street around noon, the march had already 
>launched toward the Civic Center. Market was dense with humanity as far as 
>I could see in that direction. We counted several different cross-sections 
>of the moving populace, and the parade seemed to be about 20 people 
>across. Assuming that each phalanx of 20 moved though per second, this 
>would be about 72,000 people per hour. The march continued unabated for at 
>least 2 and a half hours. If our calculations are even a little accurate, 
>this would be over a hundred fifty thousand people who had gathered to 
>protest a war that has barely begun.
>
>I remember the first anti-war protest I ever attended. It was in the fall 
>of 1965 and it took place on Boston Commons. I'd be surprised if there 
>were more than a hundred people there, though they included, as I recall, 
>Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky. It was not until after Kent State, five 
>years later, that I saw anything like the assembly of protestors I 
>witnessed yesterday.
>
>Furthermore, on that occasion, in May of '70, it seemed that just about 
>everyone filling the Mall in DC looked pretty much like me. We were not 
>The People. Not to say that scruffy, dope-smoking kids weren't well 
>represented in yesterday's march. But they were certainly not the 
>majority, even if you counted the scruffy, dope-smoking seniors like me. 
>Mostly the marchers seemed like Just Plain Folks.
>
>There were some great signs. Like "Impeach the Uber-Goober." Or "No 
>Weapons of Mass Distraction." Or "If Tim McVeigh caused 911, would we bomb 
>Michigan?" Or "Chez Panisse for Peace." Or "Stop The Bushit!" Or "Stay 
>Glued

Re: FC: Privacy villain of the week: DARPA's gait surveillance tech (fwd)

[Eugen Leitl]

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote:

> Oddly enough, your behavior on the net, even the behavior of a given
> signature in cypherspace, is biometric, as well.

If my traffic is remixed the signature is not linkable to a point of 
origin. The signature emitted is not rich, and can be scrambled in 
principle.