date:20021101


On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:

 I see an open search engine as the most important server project. Limit the
 engine to cpunkish issues and similar to control the popularity (bandwidth).
 Run your own harvesters/spiders. This would help limit the google monopoly and
 power and provide a search engine of choice for the (gasp) community.

 The question is, how does one construct a censorship-free search engine.

Plan 9

http://plan9.bell-labs.com

Hangar 18

http://open-forge.org


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Re: CDR: ISP Utilty To Cypherpunks?


Nin hao,

On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, David E. Weekly wrote:

 Cypherpunks,

 I run a 501(c)(3) non-profit focuses on providing free, donation-based
 colocation to individuals and other non-profits (i.e., no companies are
 hosted. Additionally, we try to do things that are useful to the
 not-for-profit Internet community as a whole; for instance, we run a
 freenode.info IRC server (freenode is used by a lot of Open Source
 development groups to coordinate developer teams).

 I'd like to understand how we could be useful to the cypherpunk community.
 I've got some wild guesses (run a public keyserver, run a mixmaster node,
 etc), but I don't really know what is most badly needed, or how we could
 provide the most bang for the bandwidth buck. (We do pay for bandwidth, so
 serving up Debian ISOs is not a viable way we can help the community at
 this time.) Ideally, we'd like to find applications that don't use a lot of
 bandwidth (500kbps aggregate), but require a server that's got a fixed IP,
 is up all the time, and has very low latency to most of the Net.

 How can we help?

Hangar 18

http://open-forge.org

(Join the hangar18-general list for direct participation)

The sponsoring company In Silica, LLC should go live within the next
several days (I believe the papers get submitted to the state this
afternon around 2pm). It will operate via a DBA for Open Forge to
support Open Technology public distributed networks (among other Open
Technology projects, like a P2P laser comm we're building).

With respect to Mixmaster, Wolf is already set to begin porting to Plan 9
as soon as we get the first clusters up (by Jan 1 is our current target).
We are building machines now. All in all we've got about a half dozen
volunteers and approximately 40 machines. It is a mix of Linux, Plan 9, 
BSD. We have one Plan 9 R3 I/O-Auth server installed but not configured
(these 16/6 weeks at work are killing my project time). We have another
Plan 9 R4 I/O-Auth server being built. At least two members of Hangar 18
are building boxes to add. I believe both of these will be process servers
for the general pool. A core 80G 9P file server will be coming online
also, limited usage and content type (eg no music swapping/sharing). We
also have a node in NYC (though it's a little light right now on services
- Hi Carlos!).

Zai jian.


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Re: Real-world steganography

2002-11-01 Thread Sampo Syreeni

On 2002-10-01, Ben Laurie uttered to Peter Gutmann:

Yeah, right - and green felt-tip around the edges of your CD improves
the sound, too.

I'm not sure about HDCD as a technology, but the principle is sound. If we
can compress sound transparently, we can also transparently embed quite a
lot of data into the part which is perceptually irrelevant. We might also
depart with perceptual equivalence and go with perceptual similarity
instead -- e.g. multiband compress the audio, and embed data which allows
us to expand to a higher perceptual resolution. Whatever the
implementation, putting data in the gap between statistical (i.e.
computed against a Markov model) and perceptual (against a perceptual
similarity model) entropy which compensates for some of the perceptual
shortcomings (like total dynamic range) of a particular recording
technology seems like an excellent idea.

However, applications like these have very little to do with steganography
proper. In this case, we can (and want) to fill up the entire gap between
statistical and perceptual entropy estimates with useful data, leaving us
with signals which have statistical entropies consistently higher than
we'd expect of a typical recording with similar perceptual
characteristics. That is, the encoded signal will appear manifestly random
compared to typical unencoded material from a similar source, and we can
easily see there is hidden communication going on. Such encodings will be
of little value in the context of industrial strength steganography used
for hidden communication.

Steganography used in the latter sense will also have to be imperceptible,
true, but but here the entropic gap we're filling is the one between the
entropy estimates of our best model of the source material vs. that of the
adversary's. Be the models Markov ones, perceptual, something else, or
composites of the above. Consequently the margin is much thinner
(bandwidths are probably at least a decade or two lower), and the aims
remain completely separate.

Consequently, I don't believe encodings developed for the first purpose
could ever be the best ones for the latter, or that HDCD-like endeavors
really have that much to do with the subject matter of this list.
-- 
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Differences on Bali bomb

2002-11-01 Thread Matthew X

Au cops racist contempt for asians on display...Calculating and skilled: 
operation recreated
By Neil Mercer
November 2 2002
The Bali terrorists were calculating, skilled bomb makers who set out to 
use an explosive they knew would cause maximum casualties.
The joint chief of the investigation, Assistant Commissioner Graham Ashton, 
told a news conference yesterday that Australian Federal Police believed 
the bomb was made, in part, of chlorate, which is used in detergents.
He said it was not commonly used to make explosives and that the bombers 
had displayed an above-average standard of skill.
He revealed that 400 kilograms of chlorate was stolen from somewhere in 
Java in September and investigators were now trying to find a link. The 
main Bali bomb was estimated to be between 50 kilograms and and 150 kilograms.
But the Indonesians believe the device in the mini-van outside the Sari 
Club was made from another type of explosive, and the differing views on 
such a fundamental point suggest the fledgling inquiry is already 
experiencing some difficulty.
Subsequently, independent tests will be done in Britain, but Mr Ashton 
warned that in about one-third of bombings it was impossible to determine 
what explosive was used.
In a presentation to the media yesterday, he used three-dimensional laser 
imaging to recreate the crime scene in the Sari Club, Paddy's Irish Pub and 
at the site of the third bombing, near the United States consulate.
The first bomb went off in the tavern at 11.05pm when about 100 people were 
inside, he said. The bomb consisted of between 500 grams and 1kg of TNT and 
had exploded 80-120 centimetres above the floor, probably after being 
placed on a table or a stool near the DJ's booth.
The blast outside the Sari Club had happened 10-15 seconds later. The bomb 
in the mini-van had been placed behind the driver's seat, and the vehicle 
and its steering wheel had been locked.
He estimated 300 people had been inside at the time, and such was the size 
of the explosion that it had somersaulted one vehicle 30 metres down the 
street and had been heard 15 kilometres away.
The explosion itself resulted in a tremendous release of energy; this 
essentially caused a pressure wave, followed by fragmentation, which was 
then also followed by a large fire.
It may be of some reassurance to family and friends of victims to know 
that those people that lost their lives in the Sari Club did so very, very 
quickly, such was the size of the blast.
Given that it would result in a fireball, the choice of chlorate suggested 
the killers were trying to maximise casualties.
Between 45 and 60 seconds after the main bomb was detonated, a third 
device, made of between 500g and 1kg of TNT, went off close to the 
consulate. It had been detonated by mobile phone.
Mr Ashton also revealed that police had managed to find the chassis number 
on the van and that an attempt had been made to remove it.
The AFP Commissioner, Mick Keelty, yesterday defended recent raids and said 
that five illegal immigrants had been detained.
He stressed the raids were not connected to the Bali inquiry but were a 
separate operation in conjunction with ASIO.
This is a serious business; we can't play down what we
are doing.
An explosive cocktail
Chlorates are chemicals that can be used to provide the oxygen needed to 
make a bomb explode.
Made from chlorine and oxygen, they need to be mixed with other chemicals 
to create a powerful explosive.
Christian Howard, of the fireworks company Howard and Sons, said yesterday 
there were several different chlorates.
While the fireworks industry used the safer potassium perchlorate as an 
oxidiser, the more sensitive potassium chlorate was used in railway 
detonators, flares and smoke bombs.
Mr Howard said a firework made from potassium chlorate could absorb water 
vapour as it soared into the sky, stopping it from bursting high in the air.
Unfortunately, however, the shock of hitting the ground could be enough to 
make it go bang, triggering a bad experience for any nearby spectators.
He said there was no manufacturer of potassium perchlorate in Australia. 
We have to import it from China.
Another version, sodium chlorate, a common industrial chemical, has been 
used in everything from explosives and matches to dyes in the printing and 
the tanning industries.
Bob Armstrong, an associate professor of chemistry at Sydney University, 
said: Sodium chlorate is also used as a herbicide. Yet another version 
was ammonium chlorate.
Richard Macey
http://smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/01/1036027036347.html

Wiranto/Korpassus suspects in Bali Bombing

2002-11-01 Thread Matthew X

Partners in crime
November 2 2002
They are our new allies in the war against terrorism. But Indonesia's 
military and security agencies seem more intent on fighting each other for 
economic spoils than tracking down extremists. Hamish McDonald and Matthew 
Moore report.
Early this week, a military attache with a Western embassy in Jakarta was 
given a tip-off by senior officers in Indonesian armed forces headquarters: 
the head of the counter-terrorism unit with the Indonesian army's special 
forces had been identified as a source of the explosives used in the 
October 12 bombings in Bali.
The attache and other defence analysts quickly identified what this was all 
about: discrediting the father-in-law of the officer mentioned, who happens 
to be retired general A.M. Hendropriyono, the head of the state 
intelligence agency, or BIN, which is eclipsing the military role in 
anti-terrorism.
That such a transparent piece of disinformation could be attempted at 
relatively high levels of the military - and be met with a ho-hum reaction 
by its recipients - testifies to an astonishing level of credulity here 
about what agencies of the state are capable of doing.
One conspiracy theory after another has hit the media or circulated around 
the Jakarta elite this week.
One front-page story had two prominent generals as masterminds of the Bali 
bombings. Another theory pointed to former defence minister General 
Wiranto. On Wednesday, US ambassador Ralph Boyce had to fend off renewed 
questioning from local reporters suggesting the CIA had a hand in the attack.
On Thursday, newspapers quoted police chief General Da'i Bachtiar raising 
suspicions about separatists in remote Aceh province.
Way down the list of suspects, it seems, are the organisations that Western 
governments most strongly suspect: Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist 
group from the Middle East, and Jemaah Islamiah, a similar-minded local 
group of radical Islamists who aspire to create a pan-Islamic state 
including all believers in South-East Asia.
Indonesians don't know much about these two groups. The first is remote 
from their experience, the second a fringe group with outlandish ideas. But 
Indonesians do know about their own military, police and intelligence 
agencies, which is why these conspiracy theories fly.
Over decades, Indonesians have seen their security agencies stage all kinds 
of provocations and fake terrorist incidents for political ends. They also 
know them to be deeply corrupt.
The country has opened up immensely since the 1998 fall of former president 
Soeharto, whose authoritarian rule has been replaced by election-based 
politics. But the security forces remain their own masters and, in the eyes 
of many critics, continue to foment violent outbreaks and exacerbate crises 
around Indonesia to justify their special role.
The armed forces, or TNI (Tentara Nasional Indonesia), still largely fund 
themselves from a mix of legal and illegal business activities that raise 
an estimated $6.4 billion a year, as against their funding from the 
Government budget of only $3.2 billion. TNI-controlled charitable 
foundations run 64 companies in everything from shopping centres to 
airlines to logging, while the army, navy and air force have their own 
empires. But by far the most lucrative are protection payments paid by 
private enterprises, from huge resource companies down to criminals behind 
gambling, drugs and prostitution.
This wasn't such a security problem until Soeharto's fall. Since then, the 
military's grip on its cash flow has been challenged from other quarters.
The police, previously run as the fourth branch of the armed forces, were 
taken out of the Defence Department and put under civilian control two 
years ago. While the military have been left with their network of domestic 
garrisons known as the Territorial Command structure, a new law also gives 
the police responsibility for internal security - without extra funding or 
resources.
Another major change has been the devolution of political authority from 
Jakarta to the 30 provinces and 400 local governments, which have gained 
direct access to much of the tax revenue from mining and timber. Alongside 
the power and funds, corruption and extortion have also been decentralised.
The result is that police and army units are now fighting for control of 
protection rackets and other sources of income across the country.
Last month, at Binjai in North Sumatra, an army airborne unit tied up its 
officers and attacked two local police stations using rocket-propelled 
grenades and automatic weapons, killing eight police and civilians, in a 
squabble over 1.5 tonnes of cannabis. On the eastern island of Flores, 
police and the army have battled repeatedly in the streets of the main 
city, Maumere. Protection money has emerged as a possible motive for the 
attack on 10 teachers at the American-owned Freeport Mine in Papua in 
August, in which two Americans and one

RE: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-11-01 Thread Lucky Green

Peter wrote [about the benefits of STARTTLS]:
 As opposed to more conventional encryption, where you're 
 protecting nothing at any point along the chain, because 
 99.99% of the user base can't/won't use it. In any case most 
 email is point-to-point, which means you are protecting the 
 entire chain (that is, if I send you mail it may go through a 
 few internal machines here or there, but once it hits the WAN 
 it's straight from my gateway to yours).

I must concur with Peter. The overwhelming majority of email recipients
with whom I routinely exchange PGP encrypted email operates their own
MTAs, located within their trust boundaries. Which should come as no
surprise, since those with whom I discuss topics requiring secure
communications tend to be conscious of security and thus like to be able
to control the properties of their MTA and other network services.

I also agree that current MTAs' implementations of STARTTLS are only a
first step. At least in postfix, the only MTA with which I am
sufficiently familiar to form an opinion, it appears impossible to
require that certs presented by trusted parties match a particular hash
while certs presented by untrusted MTAs can present any certificate they
desire to achieve EDH-level security.

I am aware that the certs presented by trusted parties could of course
all be signed by the same CA, but this is an unworkable model in
personal communications. What is required in practice is a list of
trusted MTAs with corresponding hashes implemented at the MTA level.

--Lucky Green

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Re: CDR: Re: ISP Utilty To Cypherpunks?

2002-11-01 Thread Jamie Lawrence

On Fri, 01 Nov 2002, Jim Choate wrote:


Nei sche szche.
 
  The question is, how does one construct a censorship-free search engine.
 
 Plan 9
 
 http://plan9.bell-labs.com

An OS is not a search engine.
 
 Hangar 18
 
 http://open-forge.org

A service might be a search engine. 

Give plan9 a rest, already. Everyone loves the OS they use.

(Sorry to respond to Jim, but I'm grumpy this morning. 
Something about coding until 7AM does that to me...)

-j


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US prosecutors subpoena NDS in satellite cracking probe

US prosecutors subpoena NDS in hacking probe
Published: October 4 2002 9:13 | Last Updated:
October 4 2002 9:13

The legal battle surrounding NDS intensified late on
Thursday as the pay-TV
technology company, controlled by News Corp, was
served with subpoenas
for documents from the US Attorney's office in San
Diego, California.

NDS said the investigation involves similar
allegations to those made earlier
this year by its rivals Canal Plus and EchoStar
Communications, who have
accused the company of industrial espionage and
copyright infringement
linked to piracy of rival satellite TV systems.

NDS, which has denied the allegations as baseless,
said it was cooperating
fully with the federal investigation.

In March this year, Canal Plus filed a $3bn lasuit
against NDS, claiming the
company broke its access code and posted it on the
internet, allowing pirate
organisation to gain illegal access to the satellite
channels.

EchoStar joined the suit last week, claiming NDS was
behind widespread
piracy of its Dish Network satellite TV system. It
alleged the company had
committed acts of sabotage to destroy EchoStar's
competitiveness.

On Tuesday the original lawsuit by Canal Plus was
suspended, after its parent
company Vivendi Universal signed a deal with News
Corp to sell Telepiu, the
Italian pay-TV arm of Canal Plus. Once the deal
closes NDS said the suit
would be dropped altogether.

Echostar, however, is continuing its action against
the company and has
intervened to prevent either NDS or Canal Plus from
detroying any evidence.

NDS is fighting a separate lawsuit by Hughes's
DirecTV subsidiary over
breach of contract and fraud.

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStoryc=StoryFTcid=1031119906573p=1012571727088

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-11-01 Thread Paul Krumviede

--On Tuesday, 01 October, 2002 13:54 +1200 Peter Gutmann 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra
data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the
equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted other
features. According to the vendors, HDCD has been used in the recording
of more than 5,000 CD titles, which include more than 250 Billboard Top
200 recordings and more than 175 GRAMMY nominations, so it's already
fairly widely deployed.


maybe. i'm not sure how many players support it (my spectral D/A
convertor does, but then some of the people at spectral seem to
have invented HDCD). while the CDs i have that use it sound
pretty good, i don't have any good way to compare them when
played back over a non-HDCD capable convertor (i could hook
up one of my computer CD drives, but that doesn't seem fair
compared to the spectral transport-D/A combination).

but when i do play such CDs on other gear, i don't notice any
audible degradation, so it isn't obviously harmful.

i've seen comments in reviews of professional CD mastering
gear that there are other, seemingly preferred, technologies,
although i've never found details of them.

-paul

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-01 Thread Steve Schear

At 09:32 PM 10/31/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote:

On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 05:09  PM, Steve Schear wrote:


Unfortunately, there are many gasses which kill or disable with only a 
small dosage (e.g., VX).  Unless the cabins are equipped with toxic air 
sensors (possible in a few years with all the biochip work underway) I 
think the masks may be be too little too late.

I'm missing the gist of this scenario.

If the attackers/hijackers cannot get into the cockpit and gain control of 
the plane, then the most they can do with disabling/lethal/nerve gases is 
to cause the plane to essentially crash randomly...which kills a few 
hundred people, but probably not many more.

This may be more than sufficient to place a final nail in the airline 
industry coffin.  Killing NY sheeple in high rise buildings isn't the only 
way to hurt us.

steve

Flight security analysis (was Re: Confiscation of Anti-War Video)

At 04:28 PM 10/31/02 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote:
At 1:52 PM -0800 10/31/02, Steve Schear wrote:
  AFAIK, the air
supply aboard current U.S. fleets is shared between passengers and
cockpit.

IIRC, the regs call for pilots to either wear oxygen masks, or have
quick
to put on masks readily at hand.

At 30K feet, you have about half a minute before you pass out
from anoxia.  That's why you put your O2 mask on before your kid's.
[See for instance _Life at the Extremes_]

Pilots probably have the same O2 system.  Doubt they have
adequate protection for toxics.  Or atropine syringes.

RE: OT, but fun: Re: Homing In on Laser Weapons (was Re: US deve loping untraceable weapons)

2002-11-01 Thread Trei, Peter

 Mike Rosing[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
 
 On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Steve Schear wrote:
 
  Information about the damage such lasers could inflict is classified.
 But in
  general, experts say, a 25-kilowatt laser could blind an enemy sensor
 several
  hundred miles away. It also could put a hole through a sheet of metal
 from a
  distance of several miles.
 
 A few assumptions and you can estimate the damage.  Is that laser power
 level or source power level?  Peak powers in the terrawatt range are
 normal, but energy level is usually only a few joules.  If it's CW, then
 25kJ/sec on a 1cm^2 area could do some useful damage to most anything.
 
This is a game we can all play. 

Lasers as weapons have 3 major modes of action.

1. Blinding sensors. This could be temporary, or permanent,
depending on the sensor and the power level. Firing 100kW at
a Sidewinder, Copperhead, or modern equivalent would probably
ruin it. Ditto for laser or video guided precision muntions. (Note
that human eyeballs count as sensors for this purpose (ugh!)).

2. Burn-through. If enough energy is absorbed by the target, it
heats to the point where it starts to lose structural integrity. 
This can directly make it useless, set fire to internal components,
fuel, or explosives. A missile under thrust is highly stressed,
and can buckle. A airframe can lose streamlining, and rip apart.
Usually requires a lot of power.

3. Ablative blast. A short, intense hit with a laser can cause the
a thin layer of the surface to vaporize. This vapor expands very 
rapidly away from the underlying surface, and due to conservation
of momentum, provides a physical blow to the remaining material.
Requires a brief, high-intensity pulse. 

  Correspondingly, a 100-kilowatt solid-state laser -- the Holy Grail for
  weapons developers -- could deliver a destructive beam to a target
 dozens of
  miles away, making it an effective tactical weapon.
 
 With the engines of a B2 bomber maybe...
 
  Lasers do have one big drawback. The beam is not very effective in
 inclement
  weather and requires greater levels of energy to pierce thick clouds.
 
 Use a better wavelength dummy...
 
Wavelength changing won't help with clouds much (that's why they're white).
Suspended droplets of water are going to disperse any wavelength they don't
absorb. At higher energies, you could burn a hole through the cloud, but
that
leads to other problems.

For a start, the cloud is moving, so the hole is not stable. Second, a high
intensity continuous beam causes 'thermal blooming'. When the laser heats
the air within it's beam, that air expands, lowering it's refractive index
compared
with the surrounding air. This causes the beam to refract outwards, like the

bell of a trumpet.

At even higher powers, the air itself will ionize. The plasma is highly
absorbtive.

Some of these problems can be avoided by using very short pulses. Also, if
the
laser is mounted in an airplane, the beam is, for most of it's path
travelling 
through 'fresh' air. One other trick would be to use a 'target designation
laser'
of one wavelength, and then have two or more weapon lasers converge on the
designated target simultaneously from different locations. Peak power is
then
reached only on target.

  Because of the relative motion and closing rates of actively engaged
 combat
  systems and the ease with which the missile surfaces can be hardened
  against directed energy, I suspect fielding an effective system will be
 as
  difficult and expensive as the antimissile systems now under
 development.
 
 Light speed is faster than any mechanical motion we can do for the
 forseeable future.  10^4 Joules is needed to do damage, so if that can be
 delivered in a millisecond the receiving end is gonna have problems.
 An interesting defense would be an easy to ablate surface that ionizes at
 low energy so the laser can't penetrate very deep.  After 30 seconds, the
 receiving end is still gonna have problems.  So if the missle can close
 the range to the laser in less time than that, the laser has problems.
 
See 'ablative blast' above. This might work for a ground target, but a 
airborne one would have real problems.

 For every weapon there is a counter :-)  Just like crypto...
 
 Patience, persistence, truth,
 Dr. mike
 
Peter Trei

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2002-11-01 Thread Matthew X


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Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-01 Thread Eugen Leitl

On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Steve Schear wrote:

 This may be more than sufficient to place a final nail in the airline
 industry coffin.  Killing NY sheeple in high rise buildings isn't the

Doesn't have to be overnight. It would be already enough to arm the pilots
and issue an SOP to lock the doors before the plane starts rolling, and
keep them locked until the plane stops. But this means depriving the
pilots of stewardess company in flight, and installing toilets in the
cockpits, so it's a hard one.

 only way to hurt us.

Well, the next one is synchronous-release nerve gas in the subway rush
hour, a big stadium, or a nuke in Manhattan. Kinda difficult to achieve
enough scale otherwise using biological agents. You need a lot of
weapon-grade stuff, or get lucky to achieve sustainable burn within a
high-density high-interaction area, which restricts you to very exotic
agents. Doesn't appear very likely.

Re: CDR: RE: OT, but fun: Re: Homing In on Laser Weapons (was Re:US deve loping untraceable weapons)


On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Trei, Peter wrote:

 Lasers as weapons have 3 major modes of action.

 1. Blinding sensors. This could be temporary, or permanent,

 2. Burn-through. If enough energy is absorbed by the target, it

 3. Ablative blast. A short, intense hit with a laser can cause the

2  3 are the same thing with different dwell times. Mirroring works
quite well as a defense against this, as does tessellating the surface. So
does rotating the target along the flight axis.

  With the engines of a B2 bomber maybe...

Which would fit quite nicely in a modern jet liner body...

 Wavelength changing won't help with clouds much (that's why they're white).

Bullshit, IR is perfect for cutting right through the clouds as well as
hiding the laser from eyball mark 1 (which is a major drawback for -any-
visible optical weapon; as the Marines say, if you can see it, you can
kill it).

 Suspended droplets of water are going to disperse any wavelength they don't
 absorb.

Again, bullshit. As long as the wavelength of the laser is several times
the particle and inter-particle size the beam will experience very litte
attenuation. Again IR is the perfect band.

 At even higher powers, the air itself will ionize. The plasma is highly
 absorbtive.

And very conductive, if you've got power levels like this you then use two
laser to create a complete circuit and pass high voltage down the plasma
conduits. There is at least one stun gun on the market that is based on
this principle. It uses green lasers to ionize the air and then discharges
a current down the two plasma tubes. Works quite well.

 Some of these problems can be avoided by using very short pulses.

Again you get into dwell, the short pulses -must- be made up for by
increasing the PRR and this defeats the who purpose of the short pulses
since you need more of them (we're talking an integration effect here
so it doesn't take much to understand why duty cycle isn't as important
as you make it out to be).


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P2P ordered to monitor users, files

Can't wait until some lawyer in a black robe tries to understand
Freenet...
which works with Java 1.4.0 on Win95, BTW


File-swapping 'Madster' must track songs

Friday, November 1, 2002 Posted: 10:03 AM EST (1503 GMT)

ALBANY, New York (AP) -- The
file-sharing service Madster must
keep a list of songs available through
the system as part of a court order to
block access to copyright works.

U.S. District Judge Marvin Aspen in
Chicago granted a preliminary injunction
against the service Sept. 4. The judge
sided with recording company officials
who claimed Albany-based Madster
violated copyright law just as Napster
had before it.

Aspen waited until this week, however,
to release terms of the injunction to give
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only the transfer of
copyright files.

In addition to disabling access to copyright works,
Aspen directed Madster to
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recordings and musical
compositions being made available. That list must be
shared with recording
companies upon five business days notice.

Service must comply

The service also must file regular reports detailing its
compliance.

Madster founder Johnny Deep did not immediately return
calls Thursday. He has
said that he didn't know of a way to filter copyright
files because the transferred
material is encrypted.
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http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/biztech/11/01/madster.ruling.ap/index.html

Re: CDR: Re: ISP Utilty To Cypherpunks?


Your ignornace of technology is showing.

You should do more research into 9P.


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On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Jamie Lawrence wrote:

 On Fri, 01 Nov 2002, Jim Choate wrote:


 Nei sche szche.

   The question is, how does one construct a censorship-free search engine.
 
  Plan 9
 
  http://plan9.bell-labs.com

 An OS is not a search engine.

  Hangar 18
 
  http://open-forge.org

 A service might be a search engine.

 Give plan9 a rest, already. Everyone loves the OS they use.

 (Sorry to respond to Jim, but I'm grumpy this morning.
 Something about coding until 7AM does that to me...)

 -j


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re: The Days Of Wi-Fi Scanning Are Numbered

2002-11-01 Thread Steve Schear

The Days Of Wi-Fi Scanning Are Numbered
Arik Hesseldahl, 10.31.02, 5:46 PM ET

http://www.forbes.com/2002/10/31/cx_ah_1031wifi.html


NEW YORK - The trade group for wireless networking technology is about to 
put an end to its members' favorite hobby, network joyriding.

Computer geeks call it war-driving or Net stumbling: roving around with a 
Wi-Fi-enabled laptop to scan for nearby Wi-Fi access points, then trying 
to see if they can use them for free. The attraction is simple: If there's 
a company with a wireless network within range of a favorite coffee joint, 
why not borrow its fast Internet connection and surf while you sip. Those 
who take part in it do so in a legal gray area. A recent FBI advisory 
suggests that it's only a crime if it involves theft of service or trade 
secrets and violation of other existing computer crime laws.

But the joyriding may be over soon. The Wi-Fi Alliance, a trade 
organization, today announced that is has adopted new security measures 
designed to give network owners more control over who can access their 
networks.

...

If it works as planned, and if network administrators use it properly 
(that's always a big if), the opportunities for war-driving should 
disappear within about a year. Scan while the scanning is still good.

Perhaps for corporations this may be true but less likely for 
consumers.  Not only is there the blinking midnight phenomenon, but 
increasingly consumers are seeing their ability to openly and even 
anonymously share their broadband bandwidth are a community good.  I do.

steve

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LIDAR/Lasers

2002-11-01 Thread Tyler Durden

Some of these problems can be avoided by using very short pulses.

Again you get into dwell, the short pulses -must- be made up for by
increasing the PRR and this defeats the who purpose of the short pulses
since you need more of them (we're talking an integration effect here
so it doesn't take much to understand why duty cycle isn't as important
as you make it out to be

IR is not particularly better than visible for most wavelengths, and fog is 
the real killer (as opposed to rain or even snow). But I know the LIDAR 
folks found that there ARE some nicer wavelength windows within the IR band.

As for pulsed lasers, here's where my knowledge of military applications 
fails me (I used to work in civilian ultrafast/femtosecond optics.) As for 
pulsing such a laser, I can't quite imagine WHY this would be attempted for 
damage reasons (reconaissance is a different sotry). If the pulsing is in 
the millisecond regime or faster, I would imagine this is only to allow for 
population re-inversion of the laser material (ie, to keep it lasing at 
higher peak power). But I assume the military's laser research in the 
wavelengths of interest are well beyond the need for this.

Of course, there's the easy possibility that the military does use fast 
pulses for the purpose of knocking out certain sensor materials via 2nd 
order/nonlinear processes. As we found out back in 92 or so (from some 
declassification), the military's optical research in Adaptive optics was in 
some ways 30 years ahead of the civilian world. Who the heck knows what 
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At 02:45 PM 11/1/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

 At 30K feet, you have about half a minute before you pass out

Which isn't the problem it's the -40F that kills you. You freeze
your ass off well before you ever die from lack of oxygen. The vast
majority of folks can hold their breath long enough for a jet to go
from 30k to 10k in a emergency dive. Less than 60s.

Wow, Choate biophysics now.

Do the thermal conductivity/inertia calcs.  -40F *air* can't drop your
coretemp in 30 seconds.  Do the math.  Or go up to the Dakotas
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doesn't kill that quickly.

When the cabin is breached you don't have time to gather air to hold
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Re: Flight security analysis (was Re: Confiscation of Anti-War Video)

At 05:16 PM 11/1/02 -0500, Steve Furlong wrote:
But Maj Variola made a questionable point, too:

 At 30K feet, you have about half a minute before you pass out

I just tested that, sort of. I emptied my lungs, then lifted weights
for
30 seconds. It was a little painful toward the end, but I didn't grey
out or anything.

I was unable to find my ref.  But I also know that muscles
can work anaerobically; also that asphyxiation-feeling is from
too much CO2, not a lack of O2.  Also, you can't really
empty your lungs.

I once saw a show about medicine.  In it, an M.D. rebreathed
his own CO2-scrubbed air as he wrote the alphabet, on camera.
Halfway through he started scribbling incoherently and fell over,
unawares.
(There were assistants to save him.)

FWIW

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Re: Flight security analysis (was Re: Confiscation of Anti-War Video)

2002-11-01 Thread Harmon Seaver

On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 01:35:06PM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
 At 02:45 PM 11/1/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
 On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
 
  At 30K feet, you have about half a minute before you pass out
 
 Which isn't the problem it's the -40F that kills you. You freeze
 your ass off well before you ever die from lack of oxygen. The vast
 majority of folks can hold their breath long enough for a jet to go
 from 30k to 10k in a emergency dive. Less than 60s.
 
 Wow, Choate biophysics now.
 
 Do the thermal conductivity/inertia calcs.  -40F *air* can't drop your
 coretemp in 30 seconds.  Do the math.  Or go up to the Dakotas
 this winter and step outside for half a minute.  It hurts but
 doesn't kill that quickly.


   We lived for a long, long time in far northern MN in a cabin with no
electricity or running water. When I had to pee in the middle of the night, I'd
just run outside and pee in the yard. Summer or Winter, it made no difference,
and I never found it a problem standing out there buck naked and barefoot at 30
below. Can't imagine that 40 below would be much different. And since my wife
objected to yellow snow right by the house, I had to walk at bit away, not clear
to the outhouse, but a piece. 
   OTOH, I did once when we lived up about halfway between Jasper and Prince
George, BC fall thru the ice in the Fraser River up to my waist (fully clothed
tho) and my legs lost all feeling almost immediately. Of course, that river up
there was pretty close to being straight off a glacier and was too cold to swim
in even in July or August. I likewise went thru the ice to my waist in N. MN
once and it wasn't bad at all. 



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Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-01 Thread John Kelsey

At 09:32 PM 10/31/02 -0800, Tim May wrote:
...
If the attackers/hijackers cannot get into the cockpit and gain control 
of the plane, then the most they can do with disabling/lethal/nerve 
gases is to cause the plane to essentially crash randomly...which kills 
a few hundred people, but probably not many more.

Which is yet another reason why securing the cockpit door very, very 
well is the single most important, and cheapest, solution.

Hmmm.  I agree, but if the attackers chose the right time (while the
plane's on autopilot) to release the gas or whatever, they might have an
hour or two to get through the cockpit door, with no resistance at all from
the now-dead passengers or crew.  Securing a cockpit door in those
circumstances is *much* harder than securing it against someone with a
shorter time to get through, and with the possibility of active resistance
from the other side.  (I seem to recall hearing some pilot comment that he
was very confident of his ability to keep someone from breaking through the
door, just by flying so that it's almost impossible to stay on your feet.
Certainly, trying to use a hacksaw or cutting torch or something wouldn't
be much fun while the pilot did loops or something.)  

On the other hand, the pilot or copilot pretty much just have to figure out
something is wrong and indicate this fact to the people on the ground, and
there will be a plane along shortly to shoot them down if necessary.  And I
don't think this kind of gassing attack would work all that smoothly in
practice--some people would be affected before others, due to nonuniformity
in the way air is distributed in the cabin and different levels of
susceptibility.  

The combination of a hard-to-break-into cockpit and some kind of response
to prevent these planes being used as low-tech cruise missiles seems like a
win.  Maybe it would make sense to add some kind of remote surveilance of
the cockpit, though I imagine this wouldn't be too popular with pilots, and
they'd definitely need to secure the channel properly.  

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2002-11-01 Thread Trilby

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OT, but fun: Re: Homing In on Laser Weapons (was Re: US developing untraceable weapons)

2002-11-01 Thread Mike Rosing

On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Steve Schear wrote:

 Information about the damage such lasers could inflict is classified. But in
 general, experts say, a 25-kilowatt laser could blind an enemy sensor several
 hundred miles away. It also could put a hole through a sheet of metal from a
 distance of several miles.

A few assumptions and you can estimate the damage.  Is that laser power
level or source power level?  Peak powers in the terrawatt range are
normal, but energy level is usually only a few joules.  If it's CW, then
25kJ/sec on a 1cm^2 area could do some useful damage to most anything.

 Correspondingly, a 100-kilowatt solid-state laser -- the Holy Grail for
 weapons developers -- could deliver a destructive beam to a target dozens of
 miles away, making it an effective tactical weapon.

With the engines of a B2 bomber maybe...

 Lasers do have one big drawback. The beam is not very effective in inclement
 weather and requires greater levels of energy to pierce thick clouds.

Use a better wavelength dummy...

 Because of the relative motion and closing rates of actively engaged combat
 systems and the ease with which the missile surfaces can be hardened
 against directed energy, I suspect fielding an effective system will be as
 difficult and expensive as the antimissile systems now under development.

Light speed is faster than any mechanical motion we can do for the
forseeable future.  10^4 Joules is needed to do damage, so if that can be
delivered in a millisecond the receiving end is gonna have problems.
An interesting defense would be an easy to ablate surface that ionizes at
low energy so the laser can't penetrate very deep.  After 30 seconds, the
receiving end is still gonna have problems.  So if the missle can close
the range to the laser in less time than that, the laser has problems.

For every weapon there is a counter :-)  Just like crypto...

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike

Re: CDR: ISP Utilty To Cypherpunks?


Nin hao,

On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, David E. Weekly wrote:

 Cypherpunks,

 I run a 501(c)(3) non-profit focuses on providing free, donation-based
 colocation to individuals and other non-profits (i.e., no companies are
 hosted. Additionally, we try to do things that are useful to the
 not-for-profit Internet community as a whole; for instance, we run a
 freenode.info IRC server (freenode is used by a lot of Open Source
 development groups to coordinate developer teams).

 I'd like to understand how we could be useful to the cypherpunk community.
 I've got some wild guesses (run a public keyserver, run a mixmaster node,
 etc), but I don't really know what is most badly needed, or how we could
 provide the most bang for the bandwidth buck. (We do pay for bandwidth, so
 serving up Debian ISOs is not a viable way we can help the community at
 this time.) Ideally, we'd like to find applications that don't use a lot of
 bandwidth (500kbps aggregate), but require a server that's got a fixed IP,
 is up all the time, and has very low latency to most of the Net.

 How can we help?

Hangar 18

http://open-forge.org

(Join the hangar18-general list for direct participation)

The sponsoring company In Silica, LLC should go live within the next
several days (I believe the papers get submitted to the state this
afternon around 2pm). It will operate via a DBA for Open Forge to
support Open Technology public distributed networks (among other Open
Technology projects, like a P2P laser comm we're building).

With respect to Mixmaster, Wolf is already set to begin porting to Plan 9
as soon as we get the first clusters up (by Jan 1 is our current target).
We are building machines now. All in all we've got about a half dozen
volunteers and approximately 40 machines. It is a mix of Linux, Plan 9, 
BSD. We have one Plan 9 R3 I/O-Auth server installed but not configured
(these 16/6 weeks at work are killing my project time). We have another
Plan 9 R4 I/O-Auth server being built. At least two members of Hangar 18
are building boxes to add. I believe both of these will be process servers
for the general pool. A core 80G 9P file server will be coming online
also, limited usage and content type (eg no music swapping/sharing). We
also have a node in NYC (though it's a little light right now on services
- Hi Carlos!).

Zai jian.


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Re: CDR: Re: ISP Utilty To Cypherpunks?

2002-11-01 Thread Jamie Lawrence

On Fri, 01 Nov 2002, Jim Choate wrote:


Nei sche szche.
 
  The question is, how does one construct a censorship-free search engine.
 
 Plan 9
 
 http://plan9.bell-labs.com

An OS is not a search engine.
 
 Hangar 18
 
 http://open-forge.org

A service might be a search engine. 

Give plan9 a rest, already. Everyone loves the OS they use.

(Sorry to respond to Jim, but I'm grumpy this morning. 
Something about coding until 7AM does that to me...)

-j


--
Jamie Lawrence[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Naturally the common people don't want war . But after all, 
it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether 
it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship. All you have 
to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the 
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to
danger. It works the same in any country.
   -Hermann Goering

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-01 Thread Steve Schear

At 09:32 PM 10/31/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote:

On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 05:09  PM, Steve Schear wrote:


Unfortunately, there are many gasses which kill or disable with only a 
small dosage (e.g., VX).  Unless the cabins are equipped with toxic air 
sensors (possible in a few years with all the biochip work underway) I 
think the masks may be be too little too late.

I'm missing the gist of this scenario.

If the attackers/hijackers cannot get into the cockpit and gain control of 
the plane, then the most they can do with disabling/lethal/nerve gases is 
to cause the plane to essentially crash randomly...which kills a few 
hundred people, but probably not many more.

This may be more than sufficient to place a final nail in the airline 
industry coffin.  Killing NY sheeple in high rise buildings isn't the only 
way to hurt us.

steve

RE: OT, but fun: Re: Homing In on Laser Weapons (was Re: US deve loping untraceable weapons)

2002-11-01 Thread Trei, Peter

 Mike Rosing[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
 
 On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Steve Schear wrote:
 
  Information about the damage such lasers could inflict is classified.
 But in
  general, experts say, a 25-kilowatt laser could blind an enemy sensor
 several
  hundred miles away. It also could put a hole through a sheet of metal
 from a
  distance of several miles.
 
 A few assumptions and you can estimate the damage.  Is that laser power
 level or source power level?  Peak powers in the terrawatt range are
 normal, but energy level is usually only a few joules.  If it's CW, then
 25kJ/sec on a 1cm^2 area could do some useful damage to most anything.
 
This is a game we can all play. 

Lasers as weapons have 3 major modes of action.

1. Blinding sensors. This could be temporary, or permanent,
depending on the sensor and the power level. Firing 100kW at
a Sidewinder, Copperhead, or modern equivalent would probably
ruin it. Ditto for laser or video guided precision muntions. (Note
that human eyeballs count as sensors for this purpose (ugh!)).

2. Burn-through. If enough energy is absorbed by the target, it
heats to the point where it starts to lose structural integrity. 
This can directly make it useless, set fire to internal components,
fuel, or explosives. A missile under thrust is highly stressed,
and can buckle. A airframe can lose streamlining, and rip apart.
Usually requires a lot of power.

3. Ablative blast. A short, intense hit with a laser can cause the
a thin layer of the surface to vaporize. This vapor expands very 
rapidly away from the underlying surface, and due to conservation
of momentum, provides a physical blow to the remaining material.
Requires a brief, high-intensity pulse. 

  Correspondingly, a 100-kilowatt solid-state laser -- the Holy Grail for
  weapons developers -- could deliver a destructive beam to a target
 dozens of
  miles away, making it an effective tactical weapon.
 
 With the engines of a B2 bomber maybe...
 
  Lasers do have one big drawback. The beam is not very effective in
 inclement
  weather and requires greater levels of energy to pierce thick clouds.
 
 Use a better wavelength dummy...
 
Wavelength changing won't help with clouds much (that's why they're white).
Suspended droplets of water are going to disperse any wavelength they don't
absorb. At higher energies, you could burn a hole through the cloud, but
that
leads to other problems.

For a start, the cloud is moving, so the hole is not stable. Second, a high
intensity continuous beam causes 'thermal blooming'. When the laser heats
the air within it's beam, that air expands, lowering it's refractive index
compared
with the surrounding air. This causes the beam to refract outwards, like the

bell of a trumpet.

At even higher powers, the air itself will ionize. The plasma is highly
absorbtive.

Some of these problems can be avoided by using very short pulses. Also, if
the
laser is mounted in an airplane, the beam is, for most of it's path
travelling 
through 'fresh' air. One other trick would be to use a 'target designation
laser'
of one wavelength, and then have two or more weapon lasers converge on the
designated target simultaneously from different locations. Peak power is
then
reached only on target.

  Because of the relative motion and closing rates of actively engaged
 combat
  systems and the ease with which the missile surfaces can be hardened
  against directed energy, I suspect fielding an effective system will be
 as
  difficult and expensive as the antimissile systems now under
 development.
 
 Light speed is faster than any mechanical motion we can do for the
 forseeable future.  10^4 Joules is needed to do damage, so if that can be
 delivered in a millisecond the receiving end is gonna have problems.
 An interesting defense would be an easy to ablate surface that ionizes at
 low energy so the laser can't penetrate very deep.  After 30 seconds, the
 receiving end is still gonna have problems.  So if the missle can close
 the range to the laser in less time than that, the laser has problems.
 
See 'ablative blast' above. This might work for a ground target, but a 
airborne one would have real problems.

 For every weapon there is a counter :-)  Just like crypto...
 
 Patience, persistence, truth,
 Dr. mike
 
Peter Trei

P2P ordered to monitor users, files

Can't wait until some lawyer in a black robe tries to understand
Freenet...
which works with Java 1.4.0 on Win95, BTW


File-swapping 'Madster' must track songs

Friday, November 1, 2002 Posted: 10:03 AM EST (1503 GMT)

ALBANY, New York (AP) -- The
file-sharing service Madster must
keep a list of songs available through
the system as part of a court order to
block access to copyright works.

U.S. District Judge Marvin Aspen in
Chicago granted a preliminary injunction
against the service Sept. 4. The judge
sided with recording company officials
who claimed Albany-based Madster
violated copyright law just as Napster
had before it.

Aspen waited until this week, however,
to release terms of the injunction to give
the two sides time to suggest wording tailored to stop
only the transfer of
copyright files.

In addition to disabling access to copyright works,
Aspen directed Madster to
monitor its system and keep a list of any and all sound
recordings and musical
compositions being made available. That list must be
shared with recording
companies upon five business days notice.

Service must comply

The service also must file regular reports detailing its
compliance.

Madster founder Johnny Deep did not immediately return
calls Thursday. He has
said that he didn't know of a way to filter copyright
files because the transferred
material is encrypted.
snip
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/biztech/11/01/madster.ruling.ap/index.html

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