Re: [AntiSocial] Re: The Geodesic Economy: "World Peace Through Free Trade"

[Alif The Terrible]

On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Bill Stewart wrote:

> At 07:05 PM 12/29/2002 -0600, Alif The Terrible wrote an
> archetypical New Yorker's summary of the plans:
>  > 1* - Sucks
>  > 2 - Sucks
>  > 3 - Sucks - shoot the architect now!
>  > 4 - Sucks totally
>  > 5 - Sucks even worse
>  > 6 - Not so hot, but maybe
>  > 7 - Also not so hot but maybe
>  > Whole thing is a scam anyway
> 
> Obviously 9/11 hasn't fundamentally changed the city's character.

Would you love us any other way?

 
> * Disclaimer: I may have the different plans slightly out of order

It's OK: the order in which they sucked wasn't really relevent anyway :-)


-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and 
elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate...
This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
first place...

That the State is central to explanations of revolutions.

[Matthew X]

States and Social Revolutions
A Comparative Analysis of France, Russia and China

Theda Skocpol
£19.95

May 1979 | Paperback (Hardback) | 448 pages | ISBN: 0521294991

In stock
State structures, international forces, and class relations: Theda Skocpol 
shows how all three combine to explain the origins and accomplishments of 
social-revolutionary transformations. From France in the 1790s to Vietnam 
in the 1970s, social revolutions have been rare but undeniably of enormous 
importance in modern world history. States and Social Revolutions provides 
a new frame of reference for analyzing the causes, the conflicts, and the 
outcomes of such revolutions. And it develops in depth a rigorous, 
comparative historical analysis of three major cases: the French Revolution 
of 1787 through the early 1800s, the Russian Revolution of 1917 through the 
1930s, and the Chinese Revolution of 1911 through the 1960s. Believing that 
existing theories of revolution, both Marxist and non-Marxist, are 
inadequate to explain the actual historical patterns of revolutions, the 
author urges us to adopt fresh perspectives. She argues for structural 
rather than voluntarist analysis, and for an emphasis on the effects of 
transnational and world-historical contexts upon domestic political 
conflicts. Above all, she maintains that states conceived as administrative 
and coercive organizations potentially autonomous from class controls and 
interests must be made central to explanations of revolutions.

http://books.cambridge.org/0521294991.htm

Re: The Geodesic Economy: "World Peace Through Free Trade"

[Bill Stewart]

At 07:05 PM 12/29/2002 -0600, Alif The Terrible wrote an
archetypical New Yorker's summary of the plans:
> 1* - Sucks
> 2 - Sucks
> 3 - Sucks - shoot the architect now!
> 4 - Sucks totally
> 5 - Sucks even worse
> 6 - Not so hot, but maybe
> 7 - Also not so hot but maybe
> Whole thing is a scam anyway

Obviously 9/11 hasn't fundamentally changed the city's character.



* Disclaimer: I may have the different plans slightly out of order

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Wishing Lotts for Tim May.

[Matthew X]

COMMUNICATIONS AND MEDIA
Goodwill Lacking
By William Powers, National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Friday, Dec. 20, 2002

As Trent Lott turned on the spit and everyone waited for him to be done, 
the media chatter ran to what a marvelous event this had been and, gosh, 
why didn't we think of it earlier? "Why did it take so long for most major 
newspapers and networks to jump on the controversy, even after it was 
reported?" asked CNN's Howard Kurtz. "The way this story sat around for 
several days last week before the politicians turned their blood up to boil 
is... a bit suspicious," wrote Michael Kinsley in Time.

 If goodwill were a bank account, Trent Lott had a shockingly low balance.

Why the Lott story took off so slowly is a good question. But just as good, 
and in some ways more intriguing, is the opposite question of why this 
story took off at all, and once it did, why it had such staying power. 
After all, Lott is not the first national political figure to say or do 
something that most people found deeply wrong. In a television interview 
just last year, Sen. Robert C. Byrd twice used the phrase "white niggers." 
But when Byrd apologized, the story went away. There are countless other 
examples of pols who spoke or behaved offensively, performed some act of 
contrition, and returned to business as usual.

Why do some transgressors become such pariahs that they are driven out of 
public life (think Jim Wright, Bob Packwood), while others not only survive 
their ignominy but go on to prosper (Bill Clinton)? Every scandal is 
different, of course, and the rules of the game change over time. It's hard 
to imagine Ted Kennedy, or any other national figure, surviving a 
Chappaquiddick-like incident today.

But there is one factor that plays a huge role in all these stories, and 
yet it has been scarcely mentioned in the last few weeks: goodwill. I mean 
that free-floating sense of generosity and tolerance that allows us to 
excuse errors, often very grievous ones, made by certain public figures. 
Over time, as they emerge into public consciousness, some pols manage to 
build up major stores of this stuff, and it keeps them afloat in a time of 
scandal. Others accrue little or no goodwill, and when these unfortunate 
souls get in trouble, they sink like a stone.

Based on the events of the last week, we can safely place Lott among the 
goodwill-deficient. It's true his story took several days to get traction, 
but once it did, it soon became clear that very few people in politics or 
the media had warm feelings of any kind about the Senate majority leader. 
If goodwill were a bank account, Lott had a shockingly low balance, 
especially for someone who has been in public life for so long and risen so 
high. Why?

Goodwill is abstract and elusive. Sometimes you don't even realize someone 
has it until the person gets in trouble and you find yourself in a 
forgiving mood. But there are certain identifiable personal traits that 
greatly increase a politician's chances of building goodwill, and this week 
seems a good time to note a few of them:

1. Heroism. Combat veterans are magnets for goodwill, and authentic war 
heroes are off the charts. Quick, which of the "Keating Five" not only put 
that nasty little scandal behind him but went on to become a political rock 
star and presidential contender? Answer: John McCain, the former POW. 
Earlier this year, there was a brief media frenzy over revelations about 
former Sen. Bob Kerrey's role in a massacre of civilians in wartime 
Vietnam. Today, Kerrey remains an elder statesman, frequently appearing on 
TV and occasionally mentioned as presidential material. But then, he also 
won the Medal of Honor in Vietnam, and lost part of a leg. Goodwill doesn't 
get any richer.

2. Principles. Most politicians are wind socks, but the few who are not, 
those who appear to stand by their convictions come what may, build massive 
reserves of goodwill. Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were both in this 
category. So was Paul Wellstone. It's hard to think of many current members 
of Congress who have joined these avatars of principle. Though Lott's 
tribute to Sen. Strom Thurmond suggested he had held fast to certain 
longtime beliefs, they were repugnant beliefs, and thus didn't qualify.

3. Durability. There's a kind of goodwill that comes from having survived a 
difficult challenge, or having just hung in there. Anyone who has run for 
president gets goodwill points for trying. Seasoned scandal veterans like 
Hillary Clinton often receive grudging respect, and a little goodwill, 
merely for having toughed out their scandals. After he resigned in 
disgrace, Richard Nixon built up a strange kind of goodwill for sticking 
with the statesman shtick and maintaining a semblance of personal dignity. 
This is survivor's goodwill. Ancient members of Congress, such as Byrd and 
Thurmond, get enormous goodwill from their sheer durability, and can say or 
do almost anyt

Aryan Rant.

[Matthew X]

1890 -- US: Wounded Knee Massacre of Oglala Sioux,
Pine Ridge, South Dakota. 300 mostly unarmed Indians
killed when the 7th Cavalry (Custer's old command)
discharges artillery amidst women, children, &
fleeing men. 29 soldiers die in this final major military
battle in genocide against Native Americans. 18
soldiers get Congressional Medals of Honor for their
'bravery'.
"Any white person who brought the
element of civilization had the right to
take over this continent."
— Ayn Rand,
http://www.dickshovel.com/WKmasscre.html
Four days after
Christmas...the soldiers
riddle women, children, &
the few men with bullets
like so many buffaloes.
The blizzard strikes the
dead & freezes them on
the snow.
http://woptura.com/
Also on or around this day...
1910 -- Mexico: The anarchist Praxedis Gilberto
Guerrero is killed after leading a small band in
capturing the town of Janos.
http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/anarchists/guerrero.html
Anarchism is a tendency in the history of human
thought & action which seeks to identify coercive,
authoritarian, & hierarchic structures of all kinds &
to challenge their legitimacy — & if they cannot justify
their legitimacy, which is quite commonly the case,
to work to undermine them & expand the scope of
freedom.
— Noam Chomsky
The PIONEER has before declared that
our only safety depends upon the total
extirmination [sic] of the Indians.
Having wronged them for centuries we
had better, in order to protect our
civilization, follow it up by one more
wrong & wipe these untamed & untamable
creatures from the face of the earth. "
— L. Frank Baum, Publisher & editor of
"The Aberdeen Saturday Pioneer", & later
author of the Wizard of Oz books.
http://www.eskimo.com/~recall/bleed/calmast.htm
I have an entry on nov 11,check it out.Matthew X.

Re: Drivel and Gutter,Boring.,

[Matthew X]

Isn't it fascinating to see the neo-liberal Choate post marxist stuff here 
and relate to this post?
Neo liberalism and Marxism meet,the worst of capitalism and the worst of 
communism now combine in order to head off anarchism.

"In all times and in all places, whatever may be the name of that the 
government takes, whatever has been its origin, or its organization, its 
essential function is always that of oppressing and exploiting the masses, 
and of defending the oppressors and exploiters. Its principal 
characteristic and indispensable instruments are the policeman and the tax 
collector, the soldier and the prison."
Errico Malatesta (1853-1932)

Choate's prison state executes the most out of all 50 states.

Nobel laureate Ronald Coase on rights, resources, and regulation.,

[Matthew X]

I think you missed my post called,"Ronald Choate - NUT CASE."
And that's not all.
I have said twice now that I am blogging here and shitstirring.I do not 
give a good fuck if anyone else reads my posts or not,they are being stored 
here for my convenience.
GET IT?
GOT IT?
GOOD.
If they upset any of the paleo punks that's simply a bonus so I don't want 
no debate about it.I never gave this dickhead the Nobel friggin' prize so 
take it up with chowderHETT or the BS man or someone who gives a shit.This 
is my fucking cave sport,get out of the fucking entrance.

"The empires of the future will be empires built of lies."

CDR: Re: What is Anarchism?

[Matthew X]

>>>Anarchism is the belief that people are basically good, <<<(Shoate shite)

Sez who? A lot of people attracted to anarchism seem to think like Lord 
Acton,that power corrupts and the less your average person has over you the 
safer you'll be.
Isn't Christianity the belief that people are basically good?

>>>that they are corrupted by interaction with others. And as a result the 
way to make the world a more idyllic place is to minimize the ways in which 
individuals may interact (eg abolition of government, law, etc.).<<<

This is really spectacular bollocks and betrays your complete pig ignorance 
of anarchism.

 >>>It ignores that people are not good and that they are not 'corrupted' 
by anything other than simple existance. <<<

Well I do believe most people are good and I would hardly bother trying 
anything if I didn't think that.You have made it clear in the past that 
ya'll think we need the state and representative democracy is the best way 
to run it.No wonder everyone here cant stand you.

>>>Note that anarchism is a form of socialism or 'control economy' style 
of government, it requires -all- participants to behave and interact in the 
same manner.<<<

No more than a free market jimmy.There is a difference between a widely 
discredited authoritarian socialism and libertarian socialism btw.Do you 
have any cites for what your shovelling?

 >>>It further a priori limits their choices as to what they are allowed 
to do. For example, they are prevented from creating a social contract to 
create a government. Anarchism is self-contradictory. <<<

If your saying anarchists should respect the rights and freedoms of statist 
swine to gang up on the public well they don't much anymore,they used to 
and they got run over.So,no we won't be in the front line of free speech 
for fascists.(cept odd bods like Noam C.)
Look we have the web now so there is no excuse for willful 
ignorance...search and ye shall find.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/
When arguing with the dim bulbs of anarcho-capitalism I like...
http://world.std.com/~mhuben/leftlib.html
Because it's off a centrist-statist site cretins like you can relate to.

PRIVATE

[FRANK MATOBU]

Good Day,

 Naturally this mail will come to you  as a surprise,but if I may crave your 
indulgence,I am MR. Frank Matobu,the first son of DAVID Matobu,one of  the most 
popular black farmer in Zimbabwe who was recectly murdered in the land dispute in my 
country.I APOLOGISE FOR INVADING YOUR PRIVACY, BUT PLEASE,I appeal to you to exercise 
a little patience and read through my letter, and I guarantee you will not have wasted 
your time. 

 Before the death of my father, he had taken me to Johannesburg to deposit the sum of 
US8.5 Million (Eight Million, Five Hundred United States dollars)in one of the private 
security company, as he foresaw the looming danger in Zimbabwe this money  was 
deposited in a box as gem stones to avoid much demurrage from security company. This 
amount was meant for the purchase of new machines and chemicals for the Farms and 
establishment of new farms in Swaziland.

This land problem came when Zimbabwean President Mr.Robert Mugabe introduced a new 
Land Act Reform wholly affected the rich white farmers and some few black farmers.And 
this resulted to the killing and mob action by Zimbabwean war veterans and some 
lunatics in the society. In fact a lot of people were killed because of this Land 
reform Act for which my father was one of the victims.

It is against this background that, I and my family fled Zimbabwe for fear of our 
lives and are currently staying in the Netherlands where we are seeking political 
asylum and moreso have decided  to transfer my father’s money to a more reliable 
foreign account.since the law of Netherlands prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to 
open any bank account or to be involved in any financial transaction throughout the 
territorial zone of Netherlands, As the eldest son of my father, I am saddled with the 
responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account where this money could be 
transferred without the knowledge of my government who are bent on taking everything 
we have got. The South African government seems to be playing along with them. 


I am faced with the dilemma of moving this amount of money out of South Africa for 
fear of going through the same experience in future, both countries have similar 
political history. As a businessman,I am seeking for a partner who I have to entrust 
my future and of my family in his hands, I must let you know that this transaction is 
risk free. If you accept to assist me and my family,all I want you to do for me,is to 
arrangements with the security company to clear the consignment(funds) from their 
afiliate office here in the Netherlands as i have already given directives for the 
consignment to be brought to the Netherlands from South Africa.But before then all 
modalities will have to be put in place e.g change of ownership to the consignment and 
This money I intend to use for investment. 

I have two options for you. Firstly you can choose to have certain percentage of the 
money for nominating your account for this transaction. Or you can go into partnership 
with me for the proper profitable investment of the money in your country. Whichever 
the option you want, feel free to notify me. I have also mapped out 5% of this money 
for all kinds of expenses incurred in the process of this transaction. If you do not 
prefer a partnership I am willing to give you 15% of the money while the remaining 80% 
will be for my investment in your country. Contact me with throught my  E-mail  while 
I implore you to maintain the absolute secrecy required in this transaction. 

Thnak and God bless you,

Frank Matobu.

PRIVATE

[FRANK MATOBU]

Good Day,

 Naturally this mail will come to you  as a surprise,but if I may crave your 
indulgence,I am MR. Frank Matobu,the first son of DAVID Matobu,one of  the most 
popular black farmer in Zimbabwe who was recectly murdered in the land dispute in my 
country.I APOLOGISE FOR INVADING YOUR PRIVACY, BUT PLEASE,I appeal to you to exercise 
a little patience and read through my letter, and I guarantee you will not have wasted 
your time. 

 Before the death of my father, he had taken me to Johannesburg to deposit the sum of 
US8.5 Million (Eight Million, Five Hundred United States dollars)in one of the private 
security company, as he foresaw the looming danger in Zimbabwe this money  was 
deposited in a box as gem stones to avoid much demurrage from security company. This 
amount was meant for the purchase of new machines and chemicals for the Farms and 
establishment of new farms in Swaziland.

This land problem came when Zimbabwean President Mr.Robert Mugabe introduced a new 
Land Act Reform wholly affected the rich white farmers and some few black farmers.And 
this resulted to the killing and mob action by Zimbabwean war veterans and some 
lunatics in the society. In fact a lot of people were killed because of this Land 
reform Act for which my father was one of the victims.

It is against this background that, I and my family fled Zimbabwe for fear of our 
lives and are currently staying in the Netherlands where we are seeking political 
asylum and moreso have decided  to transfer my father’s money to a more reliable 
foreign account.since the law of Netherlands prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to 
open any bank account or to be involved in any financial transaction throughout the 
territorial zone of Netherlands, As the eldest son of my father, I am saddled with the 
responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account where this money could be 
transferred without the knowledge of my government who are bent on taking everything 
we have got. The South African government seems to be playing along with them. 


I am faced with the dilemma of moving this amount of money out of South Africa for 
fear of going through the same experience in future, both countries have similar 
political history. As a businessman,I am seeking for a partner who I have to entrust 
my future and of my family in his hands, I must let you know that this transaction is 
risk free. If you accept to assist me and my family,all I want you to do for me,is to 
arrangements with the security company to clear the consignment(funds) from their 
afiliate office here in the Netherlands as i have already given directives for the 
consignment to be brought to the Netherlands from South Africa.But before then all 
modalities will have to be put in place e.g change of ownership to the consignment and 
This money I intend to use for investment. 

I have two options for you. Firstly you can choose to have certain percentage of the 
money for nominating your account for this transaction. Or you can go into partnership 
with me for the proper profitable investment of the money in your country. Whichever 
the option you want, feel free to notify me. I have also mapped out 5% of this money 
for all kinds of expenses incurred in the process of this transaction. If you do not 
prefer a partnership I am willing to give you 15% of the money while the remaining 80% 
will be for my investment in your country. Contact me with throught my  E-mail  while 
I implore you to maintain the absolute secrecy required in this transaction. 

Thnak and God bless you,

Frank Matobu.

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The Return of Mad Max.

[Matthew X]

The Egoism of Max Stirner
By Sidney Parker
(The following extracts are taken from my booklet entitled THE EGOISM OF 
MAX STIRNER: SOME CRITICAL BIBLIOGRAPHICAL NOTES to be published by the 
Mackay Society of New York)
Albert Camus
Camus devotes a section of THE REBEL to Stirner. Despite a fairly accurate 
summarization of some of Stirner's ideas he nonetheless consigns him to 
dwelling in a desert of isolation and negation "drunk with destruction". 
Camus accuses Stirner of going "as far as he can in blasphemy" as if in 
some strange way an atheist like Stirner can "blaspheme" against something 
he does not believe in. He proclaims that Stirner is "intoxicated" with the 
"perspective" of "justifying" crime without mentioning that Stirner 
carefully distinguishes between the ordinary criminal and the "criminal" as 
violator of the "sacred". He brands Stirner as the direct ancestor of 
"terrorist anarchy" when in fact Stirner regards political terrorists as 
acting under the possession of a "spook". He furthermore misquotes Stirner 
by asserting that he "specifies" in relation to other human beings "kill 
them, do not martyr them" when in fact he writes "I can kill them, not 
torture them" - and this in relation to the moralist who both kills and 
tortures to serve the "concept of the 'good'".
Although throughout his book Camus is concerned to present "the rebel" as a 
preferred alternative to "the revolutionary" he nowhere acknowledges that 
this distinction is taken from the one that Stirner makes between "the 
revolutionary" and "the insurrectionist". That this should occur in a work 
whose purpose is a somewhat frantic attempt at rehabilitating "ethics" well 
illustrates Stirner's ironic statement that "the hard fist of morality 
treats the noble nature of egoism altogether without compassion."
MORE ON...
http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/00/pwillen1/lit/egomax.htm

Wisdom, courage, justice, and temperance.

[Matthew X]

Too much egg-nog? Try...
Stoicism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Stoicism is a school of philosophy commonly associated with such 
philosophers as Cicero, Seneca, Marcus Aurelius, and Epictetus.
Organized at Athens in the third century B.C.E. (310 BC) by Zeno of Citium 
and Chrysippus. The Stoics provided a unified account of the world that 
comprised formal logic, materialistic physics, and naturalistic ethics. 
Later Roman Stoics emphasized more exclusively the development of 
recommendations for living in harmony with a natural world over which one 
has no direct control.
The Stoic philosophy developed from that of the Cynics whose founder, 
Antisthenes, had been a disciple of Socrates. The Stoics emphasized ethics 
as the main field of knowledge, but they also developed theories of logic 
and natural science to support their ethical doctrines.
Holding a somewhat materialistic conception of nature they followed 
Heraclitus in believing the primary substance to be fire. They also 
embraced his concept of Logos which they identified with the energy, law, 
reason, and providence found throughout nature.
They held Logos to be the animating or 'active principle' of all reality. 
The Logos was conceived as a rational divine power that orders and directs 
the universe; it was identified with God, nature, and fate. Human reason 
and the human soul were both considered part of the divine Logos, and 
therefore immortal.
The foundation of Stoic ethics is the principle, proclaimed earlier by the 
Cynics, that good lies in the state of the soul itself, in wisdom and 
restraint. Stoic ethics stressed the rule "Follow where Reason leads"; one 
must therefore resist the influence of the passions-love, hate, fear, pain, 
and pleasure.
Living according to nature or reason, they held, is living in conformity 
with the divine order of the universe. The four cardinal virtues of the 
Stoic philosophy are wisdom, courage, justice, and temperance, a 
classification derived from the teachings of Plato.
A distinctive feature of Stoicism is its cosmopolitanism. All people are 
manifestations of the one universal spirit and should, according to the 
Stoics, live in brotherly love and readily help one another. They held that 
external differences such as rank and wealth are of no importance in social 
relationships. Thus, before the rise of Christianity, Stoics recognized and 
advocated the brotherhood of humanity and the natural equality of all human 
beings. Stoicism became the most influential school of the Greco-Roman 
world and produced a number of remarkable writers and personalities.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism

Zenomorph.

[Matthew X]

ZENO OF CITIUM
Zeno of Citium (not to be confused with Zeno of Elias) was the founder of 
the Stoic school of philosophy, which (along with its rival, Epicureanism) 
came to dominate the thinking of the Hellenistic world, and later, the 
Roman Empire, with some elements of Stoic thought even influencing early 
Christianity. For a long time the stoics have had a bad press, Stoicism 
being associated in the popular imagination with a grim and pessimistic 
world-view, in contrast to the jolly Epicureans. Fortunately, however, 
Stoicism is now being re-evaluated by groups as diverse as psychotherapists 
and semioticians, and it is therefore frustrating that so little is known 
of the original Stoic philosophy as taught by Zeno. None of Zeno's works 
have survived; all we know of him is contained in a few quotations and 
anecdotes in the works of his followers and critics. Most of these are 
collected in Book VII of Diogenes Laertius' Lives of Eminent Philosophers, 
from which the following information is taken.
Zeno was born in 333 B.C. in the town of Citium, a Greek colony which also 
had a large Phoenician population; Zeno himself may well have had 
Phoenician ancestry. For most of his youth he was a merchant, but, so the 
story has it, at the age of thirty, he was shipwrecked while transporting 
purple dye from Phoenicia to Peiraeus. While kicking his heels in Athens, 
he frequented a bookshop, where he was drawn to the works of Socrates. 
Asking the shopkeeper where men like Socrates could be found, he received 
the reply "Follow that man." The man in question was Crates the Cynic, and 
Zeno became his pupil, later commenting "I made a prosperous voyage when I 
was shipwrecked."
Crates appears to have been a hard master. Zeno was overly conscious of 
social propriety (a habit which he always found hard to shake, despite his 
anarchistic views), and Crates attempted to cure this by making him carry a 
pot of lentils through the streets of Athens. Like a Zen master, Crates 
suddenly smashed the pot with his staff, and Zeno ran away in embarrassment 
with lentil soup dripping down his legs and Crates calling after him: "Why 
run away, my little Phoenician? Nothing terrible has befallen you!" It was 
under Crates' tutelage that Zeno wrote his greatest work, the Republic. 
Eventually Zeno began to teach in his own right, wandering up and down the 
arcade of painted columns known as the "Stoa".
Zeno certainly seems to have inherited the Cynics' preference for gruff 
speech and shocking behaviour. He was continually making fun of the fops of 
Athens, commenting on a youth who was taking pains to avoid stepping in 
some mud, that it was only because he couldn't see his reflection in it. Of 
another, who was given to displays of rhetoric, he said "Your ears have 
slid down and merged in your tongue." He attempted to avoid attracting too 
many followers by associating with (according to Timon) "a crowd of 
ignorant serfs, who surpassed all men in beggary", and was also in the 
habit of asking passers by for small change. Despite this, he was held in 
high esteem by the citizens of Athens, and was even given the keys to the 
city. He was also invited to act as an advisor to King Anigonus of Macedon, 
but he turned this down, sending his pupil Persaeus, instead.
Not much is known of Zeno's personal life. He appears to have continued his 
interest in trade, though by all accounts his life was fairly frugal, his 
main enjoyment being to sit in the sun eating figs and drinking wine. In 
fact, contrary to the popular image of Stoicism, Zeno seems to have liked 
his drink, commenting (presumably while staggering drunkenly) that it was 
better to slip with the feet than with the tongue. He was not fond of being 
waited upon (possibly due to the Cynics' and Stoics' opposition to 
slavery), though it was said that he occasionally had a maid-servant wait 
at his parties "in order not to appear a misogynist." He probably died in 
261 B.C., striking the ground with his fist and quoting the line from 
Niobe, "I come, I come, why do you call me?"
Most of what we know of Zeno's philosophy is extrapolation from later 
Stoics, notably Epictetus. The Republic describes a Stoic Utopia of 
rational citizens. It seems similar to the later Utopias of the Anarchists: 
there is no money and it has no temples or lawcourts, these being 
unnecessary for rational beings. Zeno, like all the Stoics, preached 
equality of the sexes, and also claimed that men and women should dress 
alike. Moreover, he said that no part of the body should be completely 
covered, "modesty" being anathema to the early Stoics. He received 
notoriety for his advocacy of what is generally referred to as "community 
of women" or "community of wives", though a better term would probably be 
"free love", since the former terms imply that women are commodities which 
should be shared freely, and this would run counter to Stoic doctrine. In 
general, the early Stoics were un

20/20 on a real sick puppy.

[Matthew X]

Deconstructing The Dead: Cross Over One Last Time To Expose Medium John Edward
By Michael Shermer
History is not just one damn thing after another, it is also the same damn 
thing over and over--time's arrow and time's cycle. Fads come and go, in 
clothing, cars, and psychics. In the 1970s it was Uri Geller, in the 1980s 
it was Shirley MacLaine, in the 1990s it was James Van Praagh, and to kick 
off the new millennium it is John Edward.
http://www.skeptic.com/

County votes for land use anarchy

[Steve Schear]

Georgia County Fed Up with Too Many Rules and Regulations

Excerpt: Fed up with the complexity of zoning ordinances and various other 
land use restrictions already in existence, and a new raft of rules handed 
down by the state government, elected officials in Habersham County, 
Georgia, took a radical and unprecedented step. They voted to eliminate all 
land use regulations for the county, as well as the planning commission and 
building inspectors.

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=11369


If you can't join 'em, beat 'em.
  -- W's global policy of hegenomy

Matches I'm depending on you son.

[Matthew X]

Disorderly Conduct #6 (Winter/Spring) is out! Yes, in case you haven't 
figured it out, we are no longer a quarterly publication. Due to our 
commitment to other insurrectionary green-anarchist, anti-civilization, and 
anti-authoritarian projects, as well as our obligations to the newly formed 
Confederated Anarchists for the Complete Extermination of the System 
(CACES), we will now only publish twice a year. We hope you appreciate the 
articles, short stories, poems, rants, jokes, blurbs, ideas, action 
reports, updates, re-prints, contacts, artwork, and extensive effort put 
into this publication. Original feature articles include: "Burning the 
Bridges to the New Millennium", "Why Civilization?", "Not My Vision: 
thoughts on organization", "Guilt: an anti-liberatory experience or an 
ideology of masochism", and "Sketchies in Spain, France, Italy, and 
Sicily". This one is well over 100 pages! Available for $5 from PO Box 
11331 Eugene, OR 97440 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All Back issues of Disorderly 
Conduct are available! Issues #1 and #2 for $2 each, #3 and #4 for $3 each, 
#5 and #6 for $5 each, and the complete set for $18.
Burning Bridges to the New Millennium (and making deeper connections in our 
lives)

This is NOT a ransom note, manifesto, or communiqué. This is not meant to 
be anything more then a declaration of autonomy, the remembering of the 
anarchist idea of free association, and a re-commitment to the spirit of NO 
COMPROMISE!

As I try to comprehend the enormity of the disease of civilization, and how 
it has been declared terminal by every type of expert to the simplest folk 
of the land, I contemplate on the amount of time and energy (and security) 
wasted trying to form artificial connections with those I haven't much real 
affinity. I have found my family, my pack. We are amorphous on one level, 
always growing and shrinking, yet we are made of the same basic elements. 
We sometimes travel to other lands to spread ideas of dissent and to learn 
some wicked new tricks, and occasionally we don't connect again for a 
season, a couple years, or sometimes even a lifetime. In this 
post-colonial, post-modern, post-office world we "live" in, my crew comes 
from different positions, products, and places. We are of different ethnic, 
cultural, and economic backgrounds. We are of different ages, sexual 
orientations, and interests. We may identify differently in the political 
and social contexts, but we do have some basic things in common which unite 
us in life and in resistance - It is our hatred of all domesticating and 
dominating powers, and our desire to be wild human-animals once again.

We are a strange strain, yet we are just like you. In fact, we may be you! 
We have long-term visions, ongoing affinity on specific goals, and daily 
projects together. We respect, but are not afraid to challenge and debate 
our different tactics. We often discuss our overlapping, converging, or 
even seemingly contrasting strategies. We are always trying to deepen our 
connection with each other and care for our damaged bodies and tormented 
souls, as we become closer to the communal beings we once were, despite the 
alienation and isolation that the modern mega-machine imposes upon us.

No, we are not perfect. We are part of the fractured existence, a 
by-product of the suffocating and domesticating order, but we know what we 
feel . . . and it is rage! Despite the odds and the institutions of 
control, we have been able to connect to one of our primal instincts - the 
urge to live and to fight back! All around us we see our world being 
destroyed, the killing, the torture, and the slavery being inflicted on all 
of life, and our rage continues to grow! Our rage has engulfed us, and now 
it must flow. Rage over the misery brought on by those whose only salvation 
will be a bullet in the head. Rage over the war on the earth and her 
creatures - a war that has been going on for thousands of years, and is 
always escalating. Rage at the idea of this death-culture being the only 
prospect for us, then we die. No, we will not submit to the apparatus of 
the state, the institutions of power, the ideologies of order! We will 
resist, and continue to resist. When we have finally destroyed our 
oppressors, we will burn their remains and the rubble of their 
civilization, and we will bury its ruins deep so we may begin to heal.

We are filled with great love. Love of the beautiful chaos of life. Love 
for the organic and wild connections we make with the earth and with each 
other. Love for those who have compassion for our ravaged bodies, 
programmed minds, and broken hearts. Love for those regaining our lost 
knowledge and primitive spirit. Love for those with the courage and passion 
to resist and to create anarchy now.

Our battle call is a treasonous one. Yes, we have declared war on the 
existing order. We try to understand its foundations, so we may crack them. 
We study its institutions, so we can un

The Rats Lair.

[Matthew X]

http://www.stranglers.net/
Saw them live once at a uni gig where a band vs audience can fight broke 
out.(Latrobe Uni)
Whatever happened to Leon Trotsky?
No More Heroes
Whatever happened to Leon Trotsky?
He got an ice pick
That made his ears burn
Whatever happened to dear old Lenny?
The great Elmyra and Sancho Panza?
Whatever happened to the heroes? (x2)

Whatever happened to all the heroes?
All the Shakespearoes?
They watched their Rome burn
Whatever happened to the heroes? (x2)

No more heroes anymore (x2)

Whatever happened to all the heroes?
All the Shakespearoes?
They watched their Rome burn
Whatever happened to the heroes?(x2)

No more heroes anymore (x2)
http://members.aol.com/carbonang/nmheroeslyrics.html#H7

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Hammerhead.

[Matthew X]

Hammerhead
BE MY RITUAL
BE MY ONE DESIRE
BE MY LIGHT, BE MY PURE DELIGHT
BE MY PURIFIER
YOU'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU DO TO ME
FIVE TIMES A DAY
MY SELF-DESTRUCTION YOU'LL OVER-SEE
DON'T GO, DON'T GO AWAY

JUST A TOUCH OF YOU
JUST A TASTE
LIKE KISSING GOD IS WHAT WE DO
LET'S GO TO WASTE
YOU'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU DO TO ME
SO SUBLIME
YOU'RE LIKE THE DEVIL IN HEAVEN
EVERY, EVERYTIME

chorus
YOU'VE BEEN HANGING WITH THE NICEST PEOPLE
HAMMERHEAD
SOME SILKEN SLIP OF EVIL
HAMMERHEAD

TAKE THE FOOD FROM MY MOUTH
TAKE MY SEX
TAKE MY FRIENDS, TAKE MY LOVERS
HERE, TAKE THIS
YOU'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU DO TO ME
MAYBE I'M WRONG
LET'S TAKE THIS JOURNEY TOGETHER
PLEASE COME, PLEASE COME ALONG
PLEASE COME, PLEASE COME ALONG

(Reyne / Hussey - From the album James Reyne)
http://www.between2shores.com/reynelyr.html
Fall Of Rome
EVERY MORNING WHEN I WAKE FROM MY BED
I FIND I'M YAWNING JUST A-SCRATCHIN' MY HEAD
I FACE THE DAWNING AND I FEEL LIKE I'M DEAD
I BEEN SLEEPING ALL ALONE
WELL, EVERY DAYBREAK AS I WAKE FROM MY SLEEP
I FIND I'M ACHING AS I DRAG FROM THE DEEP
IF I WERE A MUSTANG I'D BE A JUNK-YARD HEAP
MIRROR DON'T LIE, MIRROR DON'T LIE
TALK ABOUT A ROLLING STONE

Hangar 18 Weekly Social - Thu., Jan. 2, 2003

[Jim Choate]

Asymmetric Clustering...

  Distributed Name Space...

Global Sign-on...

  Guerrilla Networking...

Open Source Technology...

Do these words make your heart beat faster and your breath go shallow?
If so then perhaps you should become involved with Hangar 18. We are
a tit-for-tat group of computer hobbyist of a wide range of skills
intent on building the next computing infra-structure using Open Source
technology. We don't focus on any one form of technology but instead
focus on real world applications in grid or large scale distributed
computing.


Time:Jan. 2, 2003
 Every Thursday, excluding national holidays
 7:00 - 9:00 pm (or later)
 http://open-forge.org

Location:Buffet Palace, N. Lamar @ I-35 @ Anderson. In
 the parking lot in front of Hobby Lobby.

 The location varies from week to week so be sure
 to check with an active Hangar 18 member (or
 join the mailing list!) for more information.

Identification:  We'll be the group with the Plan 9 OS box on the
 table...;)

Topics:  1. Open Air Optical Network

 We have one unit working in loopback and should
 have a couple of more units built over the next
 week or so.

 2. Thu., Feb. 20 Weekly Social - Plan 9 Demo

 The Feb. 20 Plan 9 demonstration at the Austin
 Robot Group is moving forward. We currently are
 configuring two machines (a cpu/auth and a 9P
 server) for the demonstration. We currently have
 a 15 point presentation that we hope to be able
 to preview before the end of January.

 3. Current Nodes - Update

 We are dropping the New York node due to lack of
 responce/activity.


 --


  We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I
  are going to spend the rest of our lives.

  Criswell, "Plan 9 from Outer Space"

  [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.ssz.com   www.open-forge.org

Pansemitic Frogmen.

[Matthew X]

New Zealand police are investigating three Middle Eastern men who tried to 
enrol in a diving course that would teach them how to use explosives.

The three signed up for a commercial diving course in Hamilton but after 
paying $NZ8,000 ($A7,470) each, two of them failed to show up, the Sunday 
Star-Times newspaper reported.

The other man attended only the first session and none has since tried to 
get their money back.

The incident has prompted fears terrorists could be trying to learn how to 
carry out underwater attacks.

New Zealand police launched an inquiry into the incident, which occurred 
about six months ago, and investigations are now being dealt with at a 
national level.
"The matter regarding the dive school is subject to an active inquiry but 
we are unable to make any further comment at this stage," police 
spokeswoman Sarah Martin said.

Alan Strong, owner of Hamilton's Dive HQ, said he had notified police about 
the three men, but said officers missed the chance to seize closed circuit 
TV footage of the trio because they did not follow up the matter until 
weeks later.

The dive school cameras automatically tape over their security footage at 
the start of each month.

"I do not know if they were terrorists, but to have these three Middle 
Eastern guys, and then they never come back for their money, is not a New 
Zealand thing at all. It was unusual," said Strong.

"They had no diving experience at all so we enrolled them on a three-month 
learners course. The one that did turn up rang the next week and said he 
had broken his leg and arm but we've never heard from them since."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/12/29/1040511253218.html

Rde: The Two Towers....

[Anonymous]

   Oh that our saviour Osama would come soon and turn all New York into a 
radioactive pile of rubble. 

2.25 Million Damage to Brand New Concentration Camp.

[Matthew X]

Activists delight in detention fires

30dec02

REFUGEE activists have welcomed a spate of fires at detention centres, 
blaming Federal Government policies for the blazes that have left a damage 
bill of more than $2.25 million.

In the latest incident, a deliberately-lit fire forced the evacuation of a 
residential block at Western Australia's Port Hedland detention centre 
early today.
The blaze followed arson attacks which destroyed large parts of the Baxter 
detention centre, near Port Augusta in South Australia, at the weekend.

This morning, Jack Smit, spokesman for WA's Project SafeCom Inc, said: "I'm 
delighted that it's burning and I hope it burns right to the ground.

"Baxter is a detention centre, and more than all other detention centres 
around Australia, it makes a mockery of the UN Refugee Convention, the 
International Convention for the Rights of the Child, and other 
international conventions Australia has signed.
"Baxter is designed as a Howard government fortress and as a maximum 
security prison, and it inflicts permanent damage to the psyche of children 
as well as adults."

Canberra Refugee Action Committee spokesman Phil Griffiths said the fires 
were inevitable, given the long periods of detention asylum seekers were 
subject to while their claims were processed.

"I would be more surprised and concerned if detainees did not respond to 
such a situation," he said.

Carlee Rundell-Gordon, a nurse and visitor to the Baxter detention centre 
from NSW, said the fires also highlighted the need for better emergency 
procedures.

She claimed that on a recent visit to Baxter she noticed an emergency exit 
door was bolted shut.

"There has never been a fire drill at the Baxter centre," she said.

"There is no sprinkler system inside Baxter and there is a concerning lack 
of emergency exits in various locations inside the centre."


http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,5766031%255E421,00 
.html

Re: CDR: RE: The Geodesic Economy: "World Peace Through Free Trade"

[Alif The Terrible]

On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Trei, Peter wrote:

> > R. A. Hettinga[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> > I wonder what people, especially from New York City, think about the
> > new proposals for Lower Manhattan and World Trade Center site that
> > came out this week.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> My qualifications: I lived in NYC when I was a little kid, and in
> Manhattan from the end of college until I moved to Massachusetts
> 14 years ago. 


Qualifications:

Born and raised in NYC.  Was a full-time, original occupant in
Battery Park City (across the street from WTC) for about three years, kept
part-time digs there until the early 90's.  I was married on the roof of 1
WTC, and my new bride managed to barf all over it when the building swayed in
the wind unexpectedly (for her - I was quite used to it).


Background discussion:

I remember the early still-birth of WTC, and I remember it's
"completion" (a non-thing if ever there was one).  I vividly remember the
pain that WTC brought to NYC with it's collossal footprint and complete
disregard for everything that was not WTC.  I remember the WTC
"community"  [Battery Park City] being born: White Flight and Nothing Else.

WTC was, in spite of it's disregard for everything non-WTC, still a
very New York kind of place.  It's core was the Art of Stark
Efficiency.  From the design of the towers themselves to the layout of the
cities beneath them, the place just screamed efficiency.  No corner was
unnecessarily adorned when the "beauty of efficient use" could make a
statement on it's own behalf.  Efficiency was *everywhere*: Path trains
terminating New Jersey commuter runs in the basement; local (to WTC) police
departments; food concourse layout which maximized retail space while
minimizing walking to it; elevators which were sorted and laid out for best
use of resources; interconnections of *everything* in a maze of tunneling
that not even a drunk could get truly lost in...  Obviously, a city so
hell-bent on maximum-use and unadorned sterile efficiency would be offended
by many of the proposed rebuilds.  I know I am.



Individual Projects:


Project:Foster And Partners - The Weird Crystalline Cathedral Thing
Assessment: Complete Loser

From the very first moment in their slide show, you just *know* these
guys are not from New York.  Remember, on 9/11/2001, the very day of the
actual collapse, every single New Yorker I know was already cracking jokes
about the now defunct towers.  This is not a city filled with a lot of tear
jerking philosophical moments where the band strikes up a warm melody for you
to cry over.  This is the Efficiency Capitol Of The Universe, where dead
towers need to be cleared out, NOW GODDAMNIT, because they are BLOCKING
TRAFFIC.

They start out with this big, well, *huge* dreary memorial that
nobody in the city of New York is going to give a rats ass about (of course,
the politicians will just love it all to hell and back).  I'll even go as far
as to predict that within five years of it's opening that memorial would
specialize in muggings and rapes after 6:00pm.

As we move on into our preview, we find this really strange
growing-thing overlooking what seems to me to be a cheap imitation of the
Vietnam Wall.  The building itself is just *awful*: a kind of cross between a
strand of DNA trying to grow into something useful, and an echo of the now
DEAD towers trying to reassert their existence.  Neither works.  The original
towers are dead - let it go.  The Crystalline Catherdral begs us to make
penance to it - to somehow go and seek it out for some kind of worship to the
past.  Again, neither of these work.  New Yorkers are not likely to give a
rats ass.  In summation, the building itself has an intolerable ego, and the
"memorial" is disgusting in it's pompous disregard for the facts of life in
the city it is supposed to be *living* in.


Project:SOM, SANAA, et al. - The Vertical City 
Assessment: Please take this project to Los Angelos, where it belongs.

First, allow me to give credit where credit is really due here.  This
team has actually managed to capture what the WTC ended up becoming, although
not what it was originally envisioned as being.  That said, this project is,
unfortunately, still a complete loss - may it rest in peace, FOREVER.

Starting in slide 3 we get what this team is all about, with the
quotation "The city, as one finds it in history, is the point of maximum
concentration for the power and culture of a community".  And they'll be
Goddamned if They are going to have to SHARE it with anyone outside of the
[new] WTC.  Yeah.  Riiighhht...  I hate to be the one to break the news to
these guys, but one of the very few things that makes New York actually WORK,
is the free and open dissemination of The Arts (whatever the hell that
is).  It's our

Hanssen Vs the Military-Entertainment Complex.

[Matthew X]

I gather the ME complex has been busy,it can hardly avoid the low blow 
against the handcuffed  and gagged prisoner,the big lie,the sick spin and 
the vaseline smear.These are their stock in trade after all.
Would it really make such a difference if Hanssen buggered little boys 
younger than Joshua,or even strangled his own grandmother? The fact remains 
that he is one of the greatest spies that ever lived.He is up there with 
Sorge and Philby and no special psy-op from the crappy wurlitzer can take 
that away from him.The sicko's in the Pentagon outsmarted themselves by 
creating the proto-web and we can get our own information now.The days of 
the moronic inferno ME complex are numbered and those fronting for it 
should be aware...people really cant stand being lied to all the time.

"You can fuck with some of the people some of the time,but when you try and 
fuck with all of the people all of the time that's when you will be 
measured for a pine box or a body bag."

Free Trade Factoids.

[Matthew X]

Trade hypocrisy: the problem with Robert Zoellick
Commentary refuting US Trade Representative Robert Zoellick's contention 
that the liberalisation of global trade is leading to global prosperity
( Kevin Watkins via openDemocracy )
»
See also this article by Robert Zoellick from earlier this month, and this 
blog entry from August
http://www.hullocentral.demon.co.uk/site/anfin.htm

Briton tells of ordeal in Bush's torture jail

[Matthew X]

29 December 2002 ]

Briton tells of ordeal in Bush's torture jail
Article about a Birmingham man held at a US military base in Afghanistan, 
amid growing evidence that prisoners there are 'being tortured by American 
soldiers and CIA agents' - he 'has not seen a lawyer, a Red Cross official 
or any member of his family either since he was arrested in the Pakistani 
capital of Islamabad last February', and the UK Foreign Office maintains it 
has 'not been allowed access' ( Observer )
»
See also this Birmingham Post article from April, this Guardian article 
from March, this blog entry from Friday, and this blog entry from April.LINKS?
http://www.hullocentral.demon.co.uk/site/anfin.htm

Re: The Two Towers....

[Greg Newby]

Please label movie review postings with "spoiler" so that those
of us who haven't seen the movie yet don't mistakenly
read the plot.  Go Frodo!

(I'm joking, of course: I already saw The Two Towers.)


On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 11:40:26PM -, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote:
> 
> Blah blah blah wrote...
> 
> "My hunch is that the new towers will never be filled and will turn out to be a 
>business catastrophe" 
> 
> Who gives a crap? Despite the fact that the original towers were as ugly as hell, 
>they were a giant "Fuck You" to the rest of the world and we New Yorkers loved 'em. 
>(I still say to NJ-based relatives that "All of you" conspired to knock down the 
>towers...I refuse to distinguish between bin Laden, gov Florio (or whoever), and 
>George Bush. All I know is that it was you non-New-Yorkers who did it 'cause you hate 
>us and all our cool food, culture, filth and crime.) And until I stop paying taxes 
>entirely, I might as well SEE something my tax $$$ may have been used to build, as 
>opposed to stealth buildings and giant storage "schools". (I always used the same 
>argument to support the superconducting supercollider)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "oops, I said "business," when in fact it is the Port Authority, a weird melange of 
>jurisdictions which is probably constitutionally invalid)." 
> 
> The PA is certainly one of the more lecherous groups in these parts, including the 
>mob. They were supposed to dissappear after the tolls paid for roads and bridges to 
>be built. But using that ole' loophole (something to do with refinancing), they've 
>maintained their incpometant and corrupt stranglehold on most of our major 
>thoroughfares for lo these many years (increasing the pollution like crazy, too).
> 
> 
> 
> "I wasn't sorry to see those Bauhaus boxes go."
> 
> Bauhaus? I guess. More like that 70s warmed over post-Bauhaus fascist crapola. 
>Nobody in NYC really thought they were beautiful, but we do miss 'em (see above!).
> 
> And Peter Trei wrote...
> 
> "One thing I liked in particular was that most of the designs 
> weren't afraid to go high into the sky this time around. Building 
> high is an expression of confidence."
> 
> This I more or less agree with. And it's not a government thing, not a business 
>thing, just a New York thing. We need replacement towers for sure, and that design by 
>David Rockwell & Co (with those odd empty tower-structures) might be good. They have 
>the additional advantage of not casting such a dark shadow over downtown and Brooklyn 
>Heights. 
>  
> 
> PT wrote...
> "The WTC was a landmark 
> for a huge part of the city; you could see it easily from most 
> of midtown and downtown." 
>  
> but Blah Blah Blah wrote...
> 
> "Hideous boxes." 
> 
> Again, you miss the point. We New Yorkers navigated by them, and when traveling out 
>in th'sticks (ie, New Jersey and west of the hudson) those ugly boxes would come 
>popping up over the horizon welcoming you home, just like your ugly ole' Mom.
> 
> 
> Somebody wrote, and I really don't remember or care who. Hell, let's say Tim May 
>wrote it just to piss him off...
> 
> "My own initiial idea was to rebuild the towers as they were, but in 
> goldtone instead of silver. Now, I'd like to be a little more respectful 
> of the pre-WTC street grid (If you weren't actually going to the WTC, 
> it was a huge obstacle to get around, either driving or on foot). But I 
> still want towers which rise far above the skyline." 
> 
> That original twisty-towers design brought forward in response to how shitty the 
>original official designs were by that Amalgamated Architects was the best design, 
>but for some reason it didn't make it into the official final round.
>  
> 
> "One hopes not a single fucking dime of taxpayer money will go into rebuilding 
>anything on that site. (Oh, I won't scream if $25,000 is allocated to hire that 
>Chinese architect to replicate her Vietcong wall with the names of the dead so that 
>the weepy ones can do their tracings and all. But nothing more should be spent out of 
>the taxpayer's pocket.)"
> 
> Like I said, you can either SEE your tax dollars build something (even if its 
>useless), or else they'll just dissappear up some buereucrats (I can never spell that 
>word) nose. Unless you pay zero taxes of course.
> 
> 
> "(Ayn Rand loved the Twin Towers, ironically, and typically, and disgustingly. But, 
>then, she thought cigarette smoking was a symbolic affirmation of Man's control of 
>fire and his striving to reify A or Not-A through purity of essence!"
> 
> A read through a couple Ayn Rand books and none of this should be suprising. As far 
>as I'm concerned she wasn't exactly von Neumann.
> 
> Tyler Durden

Corporate personhood has utterly no basis in law...SHIT!

[Matthew X]

Whats going to happen to P & I Youth Inc?
A Review of Thom Hartmann's
Unequal Protection: the Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human 
Rights
by Richard W. Behan
Unequal Protection may prove to be the most significant book in the history 
of corporate personhood, a doctrine which dates to 1886. For 116 years, 
corporate personhood has been scrutinized and criticized, but never 
seriously threatened. Now Thom Hartmann has discovered a fatal legal flaw 
in its origin: corporate personhood is doomed.
What is “corporate personhood?” Suppose, to keep Wal-Mart at bay, your 
county commissioners enact an ordinance prohibiting Wal-Mart from doing 
business in your county. The subsequent (and immediate) lawsuit would be a 
slam-dunk for Wal-Mart’s lawyers, because this corporation enjoys—just as 
you and I do as living, breathing citizens—the Constitutional rights of 
“due process” and “equal protection.” Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. is a person, 
not in fact, not in flesh, not in any tangible form, but in law.
To their everlasting glory, this is not what the Founding Fathers intended, 
as Mr. Hartmann explains in rich and engaging detail. And for 100 years 
after the Constitution was ratified, various governmental entities led 
corporations around on leashes, like obedient puppies, canceling their 
charters promptly if they compromised the public good in any way. The 
leashes broke in 1886, the puppies got away, and the public good was 
increasingly compromised—until it was finally displaced altogether.
Today, the First Amendment protects the right of corporations-as-persons to 
finance political campaigns and to employ lobbyists, who then specify and 
redeem the incurred obligations. Democracy has been transformed into a 
crypto-plutocracy, and public policy is no longer crafted to serve the 
American people at large. It is shaped instead to maintain, protect, 
enhance or create opportunities for corporate profit.
One recent example took place after Mr. Hartmann’s book was written. 
Senators Patty Murray from Washington and Ted Stevens from Alaska inserted 
a last-minute provision in this year’s defense appropriation bill. It 
directed the Air Force to lease, for ten years, one hundred Boeing 767 
airplanes, built and configured as passenger liners, to serve as aerial 
refueling tankers. Including the costs of removing the seats and installing 
the tanks, and then reversing the process ten years from now, the program 
will cost $17 billion. The Air Force never asked for these planes, and they 
weren’t in President Bush’s budget for the Defense Department. Political 
contributions from the Boeing company totaled $640,000 in the 2000 election 
cycle, including $20,230 for Senator Murray and $31,100 for Senator Stevens.
The chairman of the CSX Corporation, Mr. John Snow, has been nominated by 
President Bush to be the new Secretary of the Treasury. Mr. Snow’s company, 
another legal person, exercised its Constitutional rights by contributing 
$5.9 million to various campaigns—three-quarters of it to Republicans—over 
seven election cycles. It was a wise investment. In 3 of the last 4 years, 
averaging $250 million in annual profits, CSX paid no federal income taxes 
at all. Instead, it received $164 million in tax rebates—money paid to the 
company by the Treasury Department.
No, this is not what the Founding Fathers intended democracy to be. Thomas 
Jefferson and James Madison, as Mr. Hartmann details, were seriously 
anxious about “moneyed corporations” and their potential interference in 
public affairs. The Bill of Rights these two men drafted contained the ten 
Constitutional amendments that survive, and two more that did not: one was 
to control corporate expansion and dominance. (The other was to prohibit a 
standing army.)
As the 19th century wore on American corporations entered lawsuit after 
lawsuit to achieve a strategic objective: corporate personhood. With that, 
they could break the leashes of social control and regulation. They could 
sue county commissioners. Or lease their unsold airliners to the Air Force. 
Or collect millions in tax rebates.
In his spellbinding Chapter 6—“The Deciding Moment”—Mr. Hartmann tells how 
corporate personhood was achieved.
Orthodoxy has it the Supreme Court decided in 1886, in a case called Santa 
Clara County v. the Southern Pacific Railroad, that corporations were 
indeed legal persons. I express that view myself, in a recent book. So do 
many others. So do many law schools. We are all wrong.
Mr. Hartmann undertook instead a conscientious search. He finally found the 
contemporary casebook, published in 1886, blew the dust away, and read 
Santa Clara County in the original, so to speak. Nowhere in the formal, 
written decision of the Court did he find corporate personhood mentioned. 
Not a word. The Supreme Court did NOT establish corporate personhood in 
Santa Clara County.
In the casebook “headnote,” however, Mr. Hartmann read this statement: “The 
defendant Co

The Two Towers....

[lcs Mixmaster Remailer]

Blah blah blah wrote...

"My hunch is that the new towers will never be filled and will turn out to be a 
business catastrophe" 

Who gives a crap? Despite the fact that the original towers were as ugly as hell, they 
were a giant "Fuck You" to the rest of the world and we New Yorkers loved 'em. (I 
still say to NJ-based relatives that "All of you" conspired to knock down the 
towers...I refuse to distinguish between bin Laden, gov Florio (or whoever), and 
George Bush. All I know is that it was you non-New-Yorkers who did it 'cause you hate 
us and all our cool food, culture, filth and crime.) And until I stop paying taxes 
entirely, I might as well SEE something my tax $$$ may have been used to build, as 
opposed to stealth buildings and giant storage "schools". (I always used the same 
argument to support the superconducting supercollider)




"oops, I said "business," when in fact it is the Port Authority, a weird melange of 
jurisdictions which is probably constitutionally invalid)." 

The PA is certainly one of the more lecherous groups in these parts, including the 
mob. They were supposed to dissappear after the tolls paid for roads and bridges to be 
built. But using that ole' loophole (something to do with refinancing), they've 
maintained their incpometant and corrupt stranglehold on most of our major 
thoroughfares for lo these many years (increasing the pollution like crazy, too).



"I wasn't sorry to see those Bauhaus boxes go."

Bauhaus? I guess. More like that 70s warmed over post-Bauhaus fascist crapola. Nobody 
in NYC really thought they were beautiful, but we do miss 'em (see above!).

And Peter Trei wrote...

"One thing I liked in particular was that most of the designs 
weren't afraid to go high into the sky this time around. Building 
high is an expression of confidence."

This I more or less agree with. And it's not a government thing, not a business thing, 
just a New York thing. We need replacement towers for sure, and that design by David 
Rockwell & Co (with those odd empty tower-structures) might be good. They have the 
additional advantage of not casting such a dark shadow over downtown and Brooklyn 
Heights. 
 

PT wrote...
"The WTC was a landmark 
for a huge part of the city; you could see it easily from most 
of midtown and downtown." 
 
but Blah Blah Blah wrote...

"Hideous boxes." 

Again, you miss the point. We New Yorkers navigated by them, and when traveling out in 
th'sticks (ie, New Jersey and west of the hudson) those ugly boxes would come popping 
up over the horizon welcoming you home, just like your ugly ole' Mom.


Somebody wrote, and I really don't remember or care who. Hell, let's say Tim May wrote 
it just to piss him off...

"My own initiial idea was to rebuild the towers as they were, but in 
goldtone instead of silver. Now, I'd like to be a little more respectful 
of the pre-WTC street grid (If you weren't actually going to the WTC, 
it was a huge obstacle to get around, either driving or on foot). But I 
still want towers which rise far above the skyline." 

That original twisty-towers design brought forward in response to how shitty the 
original official designs were by that Amalgamated Architects was the best design, but 
for some reason it didn't make it into the official final round.
 

"One hopes not a single fucking dime of taxpayer money will go into rebuilding 
anything on that site. (Oh, I won't scream if $25,000 is allocated to hire that 
Chinese architect to replicate her Vietcong wall with the names of the dead so that 
the weepy ones can do their tracings and all. But nothing more should be spent out of 
the taxpayer's pocket.)"

Like I said, you can either SEE your tax dollars build something (even if its 
useless), or else they'll just dissappear up some buereucrats (I can never spell that 
word) nose. Unless you pay zero taxes of course.


"(Ayn Rand loved the Twin Towers, ironically, and typically, and disgustingly. But, 
then, she thought cigarette smoking was a symbolic affirmation of Man's control of 
fire and his striving to reify A or Not-A through purity of essence!"

A read through a couple Ayn Rand books and none of this should be suprising. As far as 
I'm concerned she wasn't exactly von Neumann.

Tyler Durden

Re: Jim Bell...

[Matthew X]

Dear Ken
I have heard of whole books being smuggled out of prisons and have read 
post imprisonment advice from the Unabomber yet nothing at all from our 
mutual friend.
I have made at least one appeal for someone in the Occupied Terrortories to 
visit  Jim and report but not heard anything yet.I will put this letter up 
at the cypherpunks list
http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/
The last I heard was through declan McCullagh and you might ask him...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
All the best,if you do get through I would appreciate a cc,anon,GPGed and 
remailed to Cpunks.Cryptome or Indymedia is probably best for that.Hope you 
get through.
Matthew X

"They can kill the revolutionary...they will never kill the revolution."



At 02:04 PM 12/29/02 -0800, you wrote:

Mathew X,

I am a friend of jim bell... though we've never met.

Can you help me contact him, Please?

Thank you, be safe,

ken trowbridge,

chival,
"I know of no safe depository of the ultimate power of the society but the 
people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise 
that control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not take it from 
them, but to inform their discretion."--- Thomas Jefferson
~


--
3 months FREE*.

Re: Constant Encrypted Stream

[Bill Stewart]

At 01:35 PM 12/20/2002 -0800, Mike Rosing wrote:

On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

> The moral equivalent of the pre-telegraph French semaphore soldiers
> doing the macarena...
> :-)

To the tune of "I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok".
:-)


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NewAge Symbology (With Image)

[wguerin]

As has been presented to me, the following is an instruction set to generate 
the graphical representation of the New Age symbology. (Forthcoming 
Documentation)

The flat rendition is represented by convergent open crescents merging into a 
single transcendual point passing through three 3d interlocking rings (as 2d 
side view bands).

The symbol is luminescent gold in color and the background of this symbol is an 
iridescent purple approximating 24bRGB:200x100x200 (of 255) or [RGB%:(100%x50%
x100%) with Lux=(2/3)].

This symbol is most easily drawn on a 2d grid of 30x by 20y units, with 
numerical origin the bottom left.

The following is a listing of arcs used in this representation, and below is an 
instruction set for manual drawing of this symbol.

If drawn by hand, the following guides are suggested:

(Attached example image)

1: Background:
- Plane of 30 units wide and 20 high. (0,0 to 30x20) 

2: Convergent Crescents: (Guides)
- Circles of radius 4.0
-- Centered: 8,8
-- Centered: 20,8
-- Centered: 14,14
-- Centered: 14,0
- Circles of radius 6.0
-- Centered: 8,8
-- Centered: 20,8
- Lines from 14,18 to
-- Endpoint: 12,8
-- Endpoint: 20,8
- Arc of radius 5.0 intersecting x=6 Centered: 8,8 (Guide)
-- Circle of radius 1.0 Centered at this point
- Arc of radius 5.0 intersecting x=22 Centered: 20,8 (Guide)
-- Circle of radius 1.0 Centered at this point

3: Rings: (Guides)
(in 3d, three intersecting regular torus' centered on 14,14,0 each IR:2.0 
OR:4.0 or LR:3.0 AR:1.0; angle offset of 0 (horizontal), +180/5, (-180)/5 
around Z axis)
- Circles of radius 1.0
-- Centered: 11,14 (Leftmost Horizontal Ring)
-- Centered: 17,14 (Rightmost Horizontal Ring)
-- Arcs of radius 4.0 from 14,14 intersecting circles of radius 2.0 from above 
center points. (Guide for 4 additional circles of radius 1.0)
-- Centered: [four circles at above intersection points.] (Each end of flat 
rotated torus)
- Lines connecting outer diameter of each corresponding pair of above circles.

Except for the lines formed representing each ring, all edge boundaries are non-
intersecting of others and persist between each intersecting point.

4: Completion of Primary Symbol:
(Note: Primary will never be shown without Rings completed.)
Using the above guides, finalize the following:
- Two lines radiating from point at 14,18
- major length of two circles intersecting the endpoints of these lines until 
intersection with edge of circles (r=1.0 centered: x=6 and x=22)
- convex length of these circles r=1.0 at x=6 and x=22 until intersection with 
two circles (centered 8,8 and 20,8 r=3.0)
- major length of these circles until edge intersection with circle centered at 
14,0
- minor length of circle centered at 14,0

5: Completion of Rings:
(Note: Primary will never be shown without Rings completed.)
- Lines connecting outer diameter of corresponding circles in parallel
- convex length of these circles between line endpoints
Note: center point of all three oblong rings is at 14,14; these represent the 3 
interlocking torus rings of the 3d representation.

6: Entity Indicator:
The Entity Indicator is voluntarily used and is typically text (or limited 
design) along the rightmost edge of the field, of any coloration desired upon 
standard background, aligned vertically in the area bound by x=28 and x=30 
(outer edge, without intersection) with all text read from y=0 upward.

7: Entity Logo or Seal:
The Entity Seal location is also voluntary, but must be of the entity or 
organization in (6). Placement of any logo in this location indicates 
comprehensive support of New Age engagements and is positioned in a symbolic 
location relative to the Primary Symbol.
- if round, Centered at 14,2 and of maximal radius 2.0
- other shapes: centered along x=14 below y=4 and NOT intersecting the Primary 
Symbol.
- All designs must be between bounds x=10 and x=18 and lower edge of Primary 
Symbol without intersection, aligned to be viewed y=0 the lower edge.

8: Other Locations:
No other location on this field is to be used for any design other than with 
the formal authority of the New Age; all remaining areas are reserved for 
specific indicators to be announced upon utilization.
Note that this is a flat rendition of a 3d openspace object.

9: Flat Rendition Display Practices:
- Mounted flat with point upward (or right-facing when against backdrop of 
speaker), never non-horizontal unless only one side is visible and used to 
represent the Entity within their environment.
- Hung or draped as a flag, with x=0 as the connection point to mounting 
apparatus, connected to vertical mount allowing horizontal display if flat.
- Edge decorations are desirable when used as a flag, standard gold tassel is 
recommended if no Entity is identified, or Entity-specific coloration and 
material/designs/objects unobtrusive or distracting from the Primary Symbol are 
desirable.




More information on this representation is forthcoming, a best effort will be 
made to publicise info

New Age Symbology

[wguerin]

As has been presented to me, the following is an instruction set to generate 
the graphical representation of the New Age symbology. (Forthcoming 
Documentation)

The flat rendition is represented by convergent open crescents merging into a 
single transcendual point passing through three 3d interlocking rings (as 2d 
side view bands).

The symbol is luminescent gold in color and the background of this symbol is an 
iridescent purple approximating 24bRGB:200x100x200 (of 255) or [RGB%:(100%x50%
x100%) with Lux=(2/3)].

This symbol is most easily drawn on a 2d grid of 30x by 20y units, with 
numerical origin the bottom left.

The following is a listing of arcs used in this representation, and below is an 
instruction set for manual drawing of this symbol.

If drawn by hand, the following guides are suggested:

(Attached example image)

1: Background:
- Plane of 30 units wide and 20 high. (0,0 to 30x20) 

2: Convergent Crescents: (Guides)
- Circles of radius 4.0
-- Centered: 8,8
-- Centered: 20,8
-- Centered: 14,14
-- Centered: 14,0
- Circles of radius 6.0
-- Centered: 8,8
-- Centered: 20,8
- Lines from 14,18 to
-- Endpoint: 12,8
-- Endpoint: 20,8
- Arc of radius 5.0 intersecting x=6 Centered: 8,8 (Guide)
-- Circle of radius 1.0 Centered at this point
- Arc of radius 5.0 intersecting x=22 Centered: 20,8 (Guide)
-- Circle of radius 1.0 Centered at this point

3: Rings: (Guides)
(in 3d, three intersecting regular torus' centered on 14,14,0 each IR:2.0 
OR:4.0 or LR:3.0 AR:1.0; angle offset of 0 (horizontal), +180/5, (-180)/5 
around Z axis)
- Circles of radius 1.0
-- Centered: 11,14 (Leftmost Horizontal Ring)
-- Centered: 17,14 (Rightmost Horizontal Ring)
-- Arcs of radius 4.0 from 14,14 intersecting circles of radius 2.0 from above 
center points. (Guide for 4 additional circles of radius 1.0)
-- Centered: [four circles at above intersection points.] (Each end of flat 
rotated torus)
- Lines connecting outer diameter of each corresponding pair of above circles.

Except for the lines formed representing each ring, all edge boundaries are non-
intersecting of others and persist between each intersecting point.

4: Completion of Primary Symbol:
(Note: Primary will never be shown without Rings completed.)
Using the above guides, finalize the following:
- Two lines radiating from point at 14,18
- major length of two circles intersecting the endpoints of these lines until 
intersection with edge of circles (r=1.0 centered: x=6 and x=22)
- convex length of these circles r=1.0 at x=6 and x=22 until intersection with 
two circles (centered 8,8 and 20,8 r=3.0)
- major length of these circles until edge intersection with circle centered at 
14,0
- minor length of circle centered at 14,0

5: Completion of Rings:
(Note: Primary will never be shown without Rings completed.)
- Lines connecting outer diameter of corresponding circles in parallel
- convex length of these circles between line endpoints
Note: center point of all three oblong rings is at 14,14; these represent the 3 
interlocking torus rings of the 3d representation.

6: Entity Indicator:
The Entity Indicator is voluntarily used and is typically text (or limited 
design) along the rightmost edge of the field, of any coloration desired upon 
standard background, aligned vertically in the area bound by x=28 and x=30 
(outer edge, without intersection) with all text read from y=0 upward.

7: Entity Logo or Seal:
The Entity Seal location is also voluntary, but must be of the entity or 
organization in (6). Placement of any logo in this location indicates 
comprehensive support of New Age engagements and is positioned in a symbolic 
location relative to the Primary Symbol.
- if round, Centered at 14,2 and of maximal radius 2.0
- other shapes: centered along x=14 below y=4 and NOT intersecting the Primary 
Symbol.
- All designs must be between bounds x=10 and x=18 and lower edge of Primary 
Symbol without intersection, aligned to be viewed y=0 the lower edge.

8: Other Locations:
No other location on this field is to be used for any design other than with 
the formal authority of the New Age; all remaining areas are reserved for 
specific indicators to be announced upon utilization.
Note that this is a flat rendition of a 3d openspace object.

9: Flat Rendition Display Practices:
- Mounted flat with point upward (or right-facing when against backdrop of 
speaker), never non-horizontal unless only one side is visible and used to 
represent the Entity within their environment.
- Hung or draped as a flag, with x=0 as the connection point to mounting 
apparatus, connected to vertical mount allowing horizontal display if flat.
- Edge decorations are desirable when used as a flag, standard gold tassel is 
recommended if no Entity is identified, or Entity-specific coloration and 
material/designs/objects unobtrusive or distracting from the Primary Symbol are 
desirable.




More information on this representation is forthcoming, a best effort will be 
made to publicise info

Re: Nobel laureate Ronald Coase on rights, resources, and regulation.

[Bill Stewart]

>  From 1997 Reason Interview...
> LOOKING FOR RESULTS
> Nobel laureate Ronald Coase on rights, resources, and regulation
> Interviewed by Thomas W. Hazlett

> Again, in 1960, Coase rearranged the study of economics with his essay "The
> Problem of Social Cost." It analyzed what happens when economic actions
> affect third parties--say, for instance, when a railroad dumps pollution on
> a farmer's crops. Before Coase, economic analysis maintained that
> decentralized decision making--the market--in such cases would predictably
> fail to achieve an optimal solution, because self-interested actors (say,
> the railroad owners) would fail to take into account the harm imposed 
on others.

What Coase's railroad example neglects to count, of course,
is that social cost to the farmer of paying the railroad not to pollute
may be higher or lower than the social cost to the farmer of
disposing of large rocks or excess dynamite, which is somewhat different
from the costs to the railroad of dealing with large rocks or dynamited tracks.

In the US Western Plains, there's also the likelihood that the farmer
depends on the railroad for making the farm economical,
so it may still be cheaper to have the 10% of the farm nearest the railroad
not be economically productive due to pollution while the other 90%
is able to get a much lower price for shipping goods to market,
so perhaps the Coasian costs still apply for that situation,
especially if the farmer got the land from the railroad in the first place,
which was not uncommon when the US did big land giveaways to railroads.

Re: The Geodesic Economy: "World Peace Through Free Trade"

[Tim May]

(All of these Hettinga lists elided from the distribution: "'R. A. 
Hettinga'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Digital Bearer Settlement List 
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On Sunday, December 29, 2002, at 10:33  AM, Trei, Peter wrote:
What do I think? I think they're one hell of a lot better than the
first batch, which came out last summer. They lowered the
square footage mandated, and told the companies to be a lot
more imaginative.


"Square footage mandated"?

"Told the companies"?

It sure would be great if things were just left this way:

"It is up to the owner of the property to decide what to do with the 
property. He can ask for opinions, hire consultants, of course, as he 
wishes. But the herd has no say on what he does, so long as uniform 
building standards and zoning regulations are met."

(Issues of zoning, safety, and traffic are easily dealt with, and have 
nothing to do with the various pronouncements about "more square 
footage must be provided" and "The Mayor prefers at least two towers.")

Regrettably, many levels of government and "the public" are involved.

I realize that things got very confusing when a quasi-government agency 
(Port Authority) bought and paid for the original towers--though it 
then leased the site and towers to another owner, a private individual. 
If they wanted to own their building, they should not have then leased 
it to another, then back to themselves, while diverting the monies in 
the usual government way.

So now we have what should be a private land development deal mixed up 
with government...again.

My hunch is that the new towers will never be filled and will turn out 
to be a business catastrophe (oops, I said "business," when in fact it 
is the Port Authority, a weird melange of jurisdictions which is 
probably constitutionally invalid). Many of the occupants have found 
other office spaces, and many of them have said they are perfectly 
happy uptown or midtown. Or out in Jersey or Long Island or the other 
burrows (ObMisspellingDeliberate).

Or decentralized out to where people are cheaper to hire. This is what 
networks are for. Centralizing people into antheap buildings...ugh.

I wasn't sorry to see those Bauhaus boxes go.

One thing I liked in particular was that most of the designs
weren't afraid to go high into the sky this time around. Building
high is an expression of confidence.


Or, to many of us, of stupidity.



The WTC was a landmark
for a huge part of the city; you could see it easily from most
of midtown and downtown.


Hideous boxes.


I worry about designs which require a huge amount of maintenance
(Libeskind's sky forests), which I can't see being maintained more
than a decade or so, or which devote so much to memorial that
40 years from now they will seem over the top (Foster has a huge
area which is supposed to be restricted to victim's family members).

My own initiial idea was to rebuild the towers as they were, but in
goldtone instead of silver. Now, I'd like to be a little more 
respectful
of the pre-WTC street grid (If you weren't actually going to the WTC,
it was a huge obstacle to get around, either driving or on foot). But I
still want towers which rise far above the skyline.

One hopes not a single fucking dime of taxpayer money will go into 
rebuilding anything on that site. (Oh, I won't scream if $25,000 is 
allocated to hire that Chinese architect to replicate her Vietcong wall 
with the names of the dead so that the weepy ones can do their tracings 
and all. But nothing more should be spent out of the taxpayer's pocket.)

(And to the extent the Port Authority is really a shakedown operation, 
a gatekeeper, extracting revenues from those who cross into its regime, 
the use of Port Authority money should be watched carefully. The 
insurance should cover the rebuilding. If it doesn't, scale back the 
plans accordingly.)

I like the new skyline better. (ObHettinga: Meet the new skyline, same 
as the old, old one.)

But all this yawp coming out of NYC about which of the plans will be 
selected, how the City wants the towers to be reconstructed, blah blah, 
is all just an indication of statism.

(Ayn Rand loved the Twin Towers, ironically, and typically, and 
disgustingly. But, then, she thought cigarette smoking was a symbolic 
affirmation of Man's control of fire and his striving to reify A or 
Not-A through purity of essence! But, then, she was aynal about a lot 
of things, such as her support for NASA even though it consumed 50,000 
slave-lives to put an American flag on a ball of worthless rock. 
Hilarious that she died of cancer.)

--Tim May
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Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of 
conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are 
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RE: The Geodesic Economy: "World Peace Through Free Trade"

[Trei, Peter]

> R. A. Hettinga[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> 
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> I wonder what people, especially from New York City, think about the
> new proposals for Lower Manhattan and World Trade Center site that
> came out this week.
> 
> 
> 
> 
My qualifications: I lived in NYC when I was a little kid, and in
Manhattan from the end of college until I moved to Massachusetts
14 years ago. I used to work at 101 Barclay Street, directly across
the street from 7 WTC. I've been up the towers many times - I used
to take friends from out of town up to the observatory, and dates to
Windows on the World. I'd visit the concourse for lunch, and hang
out at a bar halfway up the north tower after work.

What do I think? I think they're one hell of a lot better than the
first batch, which came out last summer. They lowered the 
square footage mandated, and told the companies to be a lot
more imaginative.

One thing I liked in particular was that most of the designs
weren't afraid to go high into the sky this time around. Building
high is an expression of confidence. The WTC was a landmark
for a huge part of the city; you could see it easily from most
of midtown and downtown.

I like the Foster design best. The SOM, Libeskind, and United 
Architects designs are also very good. The THINK and Peterson
designs leave me kind of cold. I don't much like the Richard Meier
(tictactoe) design.

I worry about designs which require a huge amount of maintenance
(Libeskind's sky forests), which I can't see being maintained more
than a decade or so, or which devote so much to memorial that 
40 years from now they will seem over the top (Foster has a huge
area which is supposed to be restricted to victim's family members).

My own initiial idea was to rebuild the towers as they were, but in
goldtone instead of silver. Now, I'd like to be a little more respectful
of the pre-WTC street grid (If you weren't actually going to the WTC,
it was a huge obstacle to get around, either driving or on foot). But I
still want towers which rise far above the skyline.

Peter

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Re: NSA Show Sexually Arouses Hanssen

[A.Melon]

On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:07:56 -0800, you wrote:
>
> On Saturday, December 28, 2002, at 03:16  PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The 20/20 TV show on December 27, 2002 had a segment on Robert Hanssen, FBI
> spy, in which he is described as becoming sexually aroused by a National
> Security Agency PowerPoint presentation and stroked himself through his pants,
> according to Eric O'Neill, a young FBI agent who had been assigned to covertly
> report on Hanssens's activities. (The show transcript omits the stroking
> description and demonstration on camera by O'Neill.) Crypome invites
> information on which NSA presentation aroused Hanssen, and a copy of it for
> publication.
>
>
> This is silly. Rather than show that Hanssen had any particular erotic reaction to 
>part of the NSA presentation, it is vastly more likely that it shows that anyone 
>under constant surveillance will at some point do something, perhaps out of boredom, 
>out of daydreaming, which surveillers will note with prurient interest.
>
> "Citizen-unit Winston Smith was observed engaging in said behavior during the 
>Thursday One Hour Preparation for the Great Hate. Suggest surveillance be increased."
>
> --Tim May

Or maybe it shows that Eric O'Neill, a young FBI agent, likes to 
watch the crotches of his fellow agents?

Re: NSA Show Sexually Arouses Hanssen

[jya]

At 11:07 PM 12/28/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote:

>This is silly. Rather than show that Hanssen had
>any particular erotic reaction to part of the 
>NSA presentation, it is vastly more likely that
>it shows that anyone under constant surveillance
>will at some point do something, perhaps out of
>boredom, out of daydreaming, which surveillers
>will note with prurient interest.

Yes, this is presumably why 20/20 included the
item in the show, as well as the NSA buzzword.

The young FBI snitch was bouncing with glee at
being on national TV -- after leaving the FBI
he's studying to be a media-eroticized lawyer.

Better to highlight sexual proclivities of
enemies of the state, domestic or global, than 
investigate and disclose why they succeed in violating piss-poor national
security -- 
or so the 20/20s market.

Sexual scandal trumps all, but isn't this the
West Coast marketing image shallowness against
East Coast faux Euro-depth. Euros and their
faux deep thinkers love the western for its 
bountiful romantic escapism from subtlety.

Horses, guns, right and wrong, winners and
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It was the Spring of 1979.  
 
I was just a tall, goofy looking kid in middle school 
with buck-teeth and freckles.  Each day in the 
cafeteria, I walked from table to table ... 
 
Stealing other kids' lunch money. 
 
No, I didn't rob them with a gun or a knife - I just made 
them a little deal.  "Let me borrow two dollars today," I said, 
"and I'll bring you five dollars next week."  The investment 
was too good to pass up, and other kids were throwing their 
lunch money at me like gravy on mashed potatoes.  Of course  
when "next week" rolled around and I couldn't pony up the cash, 
I promised to pay them even more the week after that, 
if they would just let me keep their investment a little bit  
longer. 
 
Eventually the end of the year came and went, high school 
started and with it came girls, and homework, and parties, 
and sports, and those poor kids from eighth grade had more  
things on their mind than last year's lunch money.

I made off with a tidy sum for a middle school kid,
and I didn't even get beat up.

Hidden inside this story are the two greatest stock market 
secrets you will ever learn.

First of all, greed is your number one enemy. You're not
going to turn $2 into $5 in a week, so cash out when
you're ahead.  Don't wait for the boat to sink before 
grabbing the lifejacket.

Second, never trust an investment adviser of any kind.
They are looking out for their own money, not yours.

The "professionals", those stuffy investment counselors and
money managers, will always tell you that the best time to
buy is NOW.  According to those guys, the longer you keep
your money in the market, the more money you're going to make.
Ask them when is the best time to sell and their answer is
"NEVER".  

In a sense, they are right.  If you put $250,000 in an index
fund right now, you'll probably have over a million dollars
in thirty or forty years.  But here's the problem:

Do you want to WAIT thirty or forty years to be rich?

Hell no!

You want the money NOW - so you can enjoy it. It's hard to
make use of your fortune when you're seventy years old 
in a wheelchair.  If you could make a million dollars in
the next few years, what would you do with it?  Where would
you travel?  What kind of car would you buy?  

The fact is ... youth is the best time to be rich.

If your goal is to make quick profits in the market, volatility
is your ally, and stability your enemy.  You want to see
those large upswings, two hundred points in a day, followed
by the four hundred point crash a week later.  You don't
care if the market went up or down 20% this year as long
it was UNSTABLE.  That's how you're going to make the 
money.

What I'm talking about here is day trading.  

My father invests the traditional way; he holds some good stocks 
and he goes up 30K and down 30K. In the long term of 5-10 years 
he makes money. 

The day trader buys or sells 5,000 shares of XYZ for a
$25,000 profit in a 5-10 minute trade.  He acts quickly, taking 
advantage of all the information at his disposal about a 
certain stock, and estimating whether it will go up or 
down within hours, sometimes within minutes.  

I can teach you how to do this - and how to make amazing 
amounts of money at it.  It's not rocket science, and you 
only need to learn a few basic principles to get started.

Society would have you believe that successful trading is 
complicated and requires formal training.  

The truth is, wealthy people use very simple investment 
strategies to make money.  

Popular media and investment professionals portray successful
trading as difficult and complex to scare you out of the boxing
ring.  They don't want the competetion - and they sure as hell
don't want you paying a few dollars to an online trading firm
to execute a trade for which they'd charge you forty or fifty 
dollars.

They make their money only if you believe two lies:

1) That investing is too difficult and risky for the average 
person.

2) That using an investment adviser who charges a high 
commission is safer than trading online for a few bucks 
per trade.

Here is what the financial gurus in today's society absolutely,
positively DO NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW ...

The strategies for profitable day trading are in fact
so simple that anyone can do it - provided they spend
a few hours of studying.  

After reading over 200 financial books and publications
during the past decade, and after using day trading
to successfully make more than four million dollars in
the stock market, I've learned the following lessons:

** Achieving financial success is incredibly simple.

** Anyone can do it.

** It only takes a few hours to learn.

When I discovered the secret to day trading, I didn't become
wealthy overnight.  If you want instant cash, drive to Wal-mart. 
Buy a ski mask and a shotgun, and rob your local bank. The 
only way to get rich, quick or otherwise, is through
hard work, knowledge, and determination.

After learning the fundamentals of day trading, I started 
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