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Re: Reporter writing article on proffr/mattd and threats
At 04:09 PM 7/2/03 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: I received a phone call today from a newspaper reporter who's writing an article on mattd/proffr and wanted background on the cypherpunks group or movement, as he put it. The reporter -- who covers crime, law enforcement, and the courts How does one authenticate that a voice on a phone is a reporter? Or is my sarcasm/wryness detector stuck? --- We are all reporters, we are all book sellers. We are all first class objects. --Tim May
talking to coworkers = deemed exports
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20030623S0011 The Commerce Department considers some U.S. transfers of commercial technologies to foreign workers as exports. In some cases, U.S. companies may be required to obtain a deemed-export license before giving foreign-born employees access to sensitive technologies. [shades of the old crypto days, where you couldn't ask a colleage from another country to review your code.. this time its China, India they're freaking about]
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