Re: GPS Jammer Firm nearly ejected from Russian air show.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2005/08/22/002.html Antonov denied that his company delivered any equipment directly to Saddam Hussein but acknowledged it might have reached Iraq via arms dealers. Right before the war, there were a lot of people in Moscow with suitcases full of money shopping for anything that could deter U.S. troops, Antonov said. Aviakonversia now manufactures its gear outside Russia so as not to irritate the authorities, he said, though he declined to specify where. He also refused to identify his clients, saying only that they were foreign governments that acquired the jammers through middlemen. GPS frequencies are fixed, so they can be interfered with. Only in these days of general technological incompetence, where intangible scientific principles have reverted to their ancient status as mystic, is the concept of RF interference newsworthy. L1 (1575.42MHz) [1] L2 (1227.60MHz) [1] L3 (1381.05MHz) [1] L4 (1841.40MHz) [1] L5 (1176.45MHz) [1] WAAS/EGNOS/MSAS (same as L1) [2] DGPS (283-325khz) [3,4] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gps [2] http://gpsinformation.net/exe/waas.html [3] http://gps.gov/ado/DgpsCompleteConfiguration.asp [4] http://www.amsa.gov.au/Shipping_Safety/Navigation_Safety/Differential_Global_Postitioning_System/DGPS_Fact_Sheet.asp
RFID driver's licenses?
A friend of mine is expressing concern over the recently passed REAL ID act which will supposedly require RFID-readable driver's licenses (which it doesn't say in the text of the bill which just makes a vague reference to machine-readable technology.) My questions are: 1. Have any states already implemented RFID-readable IDs/licenses? 2. If not, which states plan to?
RFID driver's licenses?
A friend of mine is expressing concern over the recently passed REAL ID act which will supposedly require RFID-readable driver's licenses (which it doesn't say in the text of the bill which just makes a vague reference to machine-readable technology.) My questions are: 1. Have any states already implemented RFID-readable IDs/licenses? 2. If not, which states plan to?
Re: SIGINT and COMSEC Discussion Group
On 2 Jan 2005 at 15:43, John Young wrote: A. writes: I have just launched a new discussion group related to hardware discussion for signal analysis and communications security systems: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sigint/ Why would we use a groups beta at google's when there's a big and proven yahoogroups that's been around for ages (under various names)?
Re: SIGINT and COMSEC Discussion Group
On 2 Jan 2005 at 15:43, John Young wrote: A. writes: I have just launched a new discussion group related to hardware discussion for signal analysis and communications security systems: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sigint/ Why would we use a groups beta at google's when there's a big and proven yahoogroups that's been around for ages (under various names)?
Re: punkly current events
-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz. What about mixminion? Setting up a node is about five minutes of work on a somewhat current Linux system. -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-
Re: punkly current events
-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz. What about mixminion? Setting up a node is about five minutes of work on a somewhat current Linux system. -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-
Cypherpunks archives online
There were some talk about archives here recently. I found two here: http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php?hunt=cypherpunks And this does indeed seem to be an active archive of the list: http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks%40minder.net/
Cypherpunks archives online
There were some talk about archives here recently. I found two here: http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php?hunt=cypherpunks And this does indeed seem to be an active archive of the list: http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks%40minder.net/
loosing mail..
I seem to have not received a few of the emails in the PROMIS thread. What is the best approach if one really wants to receive all emails? I'm currently only on minder and it seems from time to time mail doesn't get through? Should one simply subscribe to several nodes (and receive some redundant traffic)? I sent test messages (help command) to several of the listed mail servers a whort while back but only these responded: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did not receive an answer at all from minder even though I'm receiving my list mail through minder, so it cannot be all dead. Is there (still) an online archive somewhere being saved of the cypherpunks messages? Comments?
loosing mail..
I seem to have not received a few of the emails in the PROMIS thread. What is the best approach if one really wants to receive all emails? I'm currently only on minder and it seems from time to time mail doesn't get through? Should one simply subscribe to several nodes (and receive some redundant traffic)? I sent test messages (help command) to several of the listed mail servers a whort while back but only these responded: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did not receive an answer at all from minder even though I'm receiving my list mail through minder, so it cannot be all dead. Is there (still) an online archive somewhere being saved of the cypherpunks messages? Comments?
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
Steve Furlong: Random racist ranting is also required. There are some racist assholes currently posting on cpunks, but none have quite the May flavor. LOL You can say that again. Here are a few examples of what this once renowned cypherpunk usually writes nowadays. First five quick quotes from Tim May, more further down. No wonder the white person wants the brown person sent up the chimneys, along with their Jew facillitators. I'm chortling. The burn-off of one hundred million useless eaters is going to be glorious. Me, I spend my years devoloping tools to fight the Zionist Entity, including the popular anonymous remailers and steganography to allow freedom fighters to fight Amerika and ZOG without detection, to send the last evil Jew to the ovens. I cheered when this nigger was shot, in 1968, a very good year. We need to find ways to help Al Qaeda nuke Washington, D.C. Killing a quarter of a million government employee leeches and three quarters of a million negro welfare leeches sounds like a good deal. Q: What do you call the death of a billion people from AIDS? A: A good start. Negroes in Africa believe that having sex with women and children expells the virus from their body. (No, I did not just make this up. Read the interviews with aid (no pun intended) workers.) Basically, between AIDS, cannibalism, butchering of other tribes, bad economic practices, corrupt liberal governments, the Dark Continent is burning off its negroes. The non-negro areas, in the extreme south and extreme north, are doing OK. In 30 years the negro regions will have been cleansed, naturally, and whites can colonize and make the entire continent prosperous. --Tim May Bush finally has admittted to mistakes in the planning of the war. And now the search is on for which Jewish spy for ZOG bore the most blame. It's been clear for more than 16 months that ZOG viewed the war with Iraq with delight, a chance to bloody one of their enemies without themselves having to go to war. Feeding the DOD false information was part of this disinformation campaign. And as the war with Iraq was seen to be winding down (though it has not, of course, as freedom fighters in Iraq continue to kill Americans working for the ZOG state), the Zionist Entity floated stories that _Syria_ was the _REAL_ enemy, or maybe _Iran_, as the Ultimate Enemy. We need to cut off funds to the ZOG state and let three million ZOGster figure out how to swim the Mediterranean, REAL FAST. The burn-off of 3 million ZOGsters would be glorious to behold. The implicated ZOG spies should be given fair trials, and, if found guilty, executed. None of the kid glove treatment that the ZOG spy Pollard has been receiving. Then we need to look very seriously at the Jews in our own midst. Many are not ZOGster, just Jews who fled oppressive regimes (which many of their fellow Jews helped create, by the way, as the history of Lenin and Marx and the early Jewish role in the formation of the Soviet shows). But the many ZOGsters now feeding information to the ZOG state need to be rounded up, given fair trials, and liquidated. Entire departments in the Pentagon will be decimated when this happens. Good riddance. As for the war in Iraq, we need to withdraw immediately, in 30 days. This was ZOG's war, not ours. Let Ari Fleischer and Dov Zackheim and Paul Wolfowith and Doug Feight become soldiers in the ZOG Army if they wish, and if they are not hung as spies, but get these united states out of the business of fighting ZOG's wars. --Tim May You'll get the Trifecta with John Kerry: a Communist, a Jew (recently acknowledged), and a Papist. Me, I'd rather we find the ZOG-employed traitors in the Pentagon, try them, hang them, and then pull out of all such foreign adventures or entanglements, which our first and most honest President warned us about. Let the Shiites and Sunnis fight it out in Iraq, let three million ZOG invaders swim for their lives, and let the entire Dark Continent deal with its own savagery, AIDS, cannibalism, killings of Hutus, killings of Tutsis, HIV, malaria, child rape, and voodoo in its own way. In 30 years the Dark Continent should be ready for white people, the last Jew in the ZOG state will have been nailed to a cross, and the world can get on with things without U.S. Big Brother interference. --Tim May I retired more than 18 years ago, in 1986. Near the beach, too. However, I don't believe active minds actually retire. Rather, they do what is important to them, whether or not K-Mart or Lockheed or Apple or Intel is employing them. Me, I spend my years devoloping tools to fight the Zionist Entity, including the popular anonymous remailers and steganography to allow freedom fighters to fight Amerika and ZOG without detection, to send the last evil Jew to the ovens. And category theory, topos theory, Haskell, functional programmng, and crypto, so long as no Zionist criminals need to be dealt with.
RE: Word Of the Subgenius...
Peter Trei: Where is Tim May when when you need him? :-) Try scruz.general. or misc.survivalism
RE: Word Of the Subgenius...
Peter Trei: Where is Tim May when when you need him? :-) Try scruz.general. or misc.survivalism
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
Steve Furlong: Random racist ranting is also required. There are some racist assholes currently posting on cpunks, but none have quite the May flavor. LOL You can say that again. Here are a few examples of what this once renowned cypherpunk usually writes nowadays. First five quick quotes from Tim May, more further down. No wonder the white person wants the brown person sent up the chimneys, along with their Jew facillitators. I'm chortling. The burn-off of one hundred million useless eaters is going to be glorious. Me, I spend my years devoloping tools to fight the Zionist Entity, including the popular anonymous remailers and steganography to allow freedom fighters to fight Amerika and ZOG without detection, to send the last evil Jew to the ovens. I cheered when this nigger was shot, in 1968, a very good year. We need to find ways to help Al Qaeda nuke Washington, D.C. Killing a quarter of a million government employee leeches and three quarters of a million negro welfare leeches sounds like a good deal. Q: What do you call the death of a billion people from AIDS? A: A good start. Negroes in Africa believe that having sex with women and children expells the virus from their body. (No, I did not just make this up. Read the interviews with aid (no pun intended) workers.) Basically, between AIDS, cannibalism, butchering of other tribes, bad economic practices, corrupt liberal governments, the Dark Continent is burning off its negroes. The non-negro areas, in the extreme south and extreme north, are doing OK. In 30 years the negro regions will have been cleansed, naturally, and whites can colonize and make the entire continent prosperous. --Tim May Bush finally has admittted to mistakes in the planning of the war. And now the search is on for which Jewish spy for ZOG bore the most blame. It's been clear for more than 16 months that ZOG viewed the war with Iraq with delight, a chance to bloody one of their enemies without themselves having to go to war. Feeding the DOD false information was part of this disinformation campaign. And as the war with Iraq was seen to be winding down (though it has not, of course, as freedom fighters in Iraq continue to kill Americans working for the ZOG state), the Zionist Entity floated stories that _Syria_ was the _REAL_ enemy, or maybe _Iran_, as the Ultimate Enemy. We need to cut off funds to the ZOG state and let three million ZOGster figure out how to swim the Mediterranean, REAL FAST. The burn-off of 3 million ZOGsters would be glorious to behold. The implicated ZOG spies should be given fair trials, and, if found guilty, executed. None of the kid glove treatment that the ZOG spy Pollard has been receiving. Then we need to look very seriously at the Jews in our own midst. Many are not ZOGster, just Jews who fled oppressive regimes (which many of their fellow Jews helped create, by the way, as the history of Lenin and Marx and the early Jewish role in the formation of the Soviet shows). But the many ZOGsters now feeding information to the ZOG state need to be rounded up, given fair trials, and liquidated. Entire departments in the Pentagon will be decimated when this happens. Good riddance. As for the war in Iraq, we need to withdraw immediately, in 30 days. This was ZOG's war, not ours. Let Ari Fleischer and Dov Zackheim and Paul Wolfowith and Doug Feight become soldiers in the ZOG Army if they wish, and if they are not hung as spies, but get these united states out of the business of fighting ZOG's wars. --Tim May You'll get the Trifecta with John Kerry: a Communist, a Jew (recently acknowledged), and a Papist. Me, I'd rather we find the ZOG-employed traitors in the Pentagon, try them, hang them, and then pull out of all such foreign adventures or entanglements, which our first and most honest President warned us about. Let the Shiites and Sunnis fight it out in Iraq, let three million ZOG invaders swim for their lives, and let the entire Dark Continent deal with its own savagery, AIDS, cannibalism, killings of Hutus, killings of Tutsis, HIV, malaria, child rape, and voodoo in its own way. In 30 years the Dark Continent should be ready for white people, the last Jew in the ZOG state will have been nailed to a cross, and the world can get on with things without U.S. Big Brother interference. --Tim May I retired more than 18 years ago, in 1986. Near the beach, too. However, I don't believe active minds actually retire. Rather, they do what is important to them, whether or not K-Mart or Lockheed or Apple or Intel is employing them. Me, I spend my years devoloping tools to fight the Zionist Entity, including the popular anonymous remailers and steganography to allow freedom fighters to fight Amerika and ZOG without detection, to send the last evil Jew to the ovens. And category theory, topos theory, Haskell, functional programmng, and crypto, so long as no Zionist criminals need to be dealt with.
Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
Bill Stewart shrieb: There are several different issues related to PROMIS Thanks for your comments. But what about the person Michael Riconosciuto? I did some searches online and I got the feeling that a lot people see him as an extremely intelligent person, a one-in-a-million type of person, being involved and on the front line with such diverse areas as human intelligence, weapons, electronics, computers, cryptography, bio-warfare etc. It's stated online that he has warned US about several terrorist attacks before they ocurred, including but not limited to the al-qaeda attacks. Is this somewhat related to him being jailed? Can he verify that US didn't act on alerts in ways so sensitive that the government simply cannot afford to let him speak up? Does he know things relating to US wanting some wars that the public simply cannot be told? I think I read somewhere that people from NSA or CIA thought of him as simply put a genius. Is it likely that he as such a genius is simply too dangerous for his own good when he decided to speak the truth and that the government is actively trying to shut him down and indirectly speed up his death by denying him medical care for his illness? Why did he come clean and sign the affidavit? He himself stated that he though he risked being killed or harmed in various ways if he went through with it. And indeed, just a week or two afterwards he got arrested! Smells like a government retaliation, set-up and cover-up if I ever saw one! This is almost to good for even Hollywood! There are many interesting questions here. Keep in mind that not all of us were around and active with intelligence/computers/cryptography 10-20 years ago. John Young: Does Cryptome hold any interesting documents involving this case?
Re: Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
Bill Stewart shrieb: There are several different issues related to PROMIS Thanks for your comments. But what about the person Michael Riconosciuto? I did some searches online and I got the feeling that a lot people see him as an extremely intelligent person, a one-in-a-million type of person, being involved and on the front line with such diverse areas as human intelligence, weapons, electronics, computers, cryptography, bio-warfare etc. It's stated online that he has warned US about several terrorist attacks before they ocurred, including but not limited to the al-qaeda attacks. Is this somewhat related to him being jailed? Can he verify that US didn't act on alerts in ways so sensitive that the government simply cannot afford to let him speak up? Does he know things relating to US wanting some wars that the public simply cannot be told? I think I read somewhere that people from NSA or CIA thought of him as simply put a genius. Is it likely that he as such a genius is simply too dangerous for his own good when he decided to speak the truth and that the government is actively trying to shut him down and indirectly speed up his death by denying him medical care for his illness? Why did he come clean and sign the affidavit? He himself stated that he though he risked being killed or harmed in various ways if he went through with it. And indeed, just a week or two afterwards he got arrested! Smells like a government retaliation, set-up and cover-up if I ever saw one! This is almost to good for even Hollywood! There are many interesting questions here. Keep in mind that not all of us were around and active with intelligence/computers/cryptography 10-20 years ago. John Young: Does Cryptome hold any interesting documents involving this case?
Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
I read a few old email messages I had and stumbled over some interesting material relating to NSA, CIA and one Michael Riconosciuto among other things. I followed up on the info and did some surfing on the subject and got quite interested. I also did some searches in my cypherpunk mail folder and got no hits. Surely this must have been up in the list? Can someone give me some links please? There were also some talk about some PROMIS software somewhere and modifications being made to illegally obtained copies of proprietary software. This software was then sold by the US gov to be able to spy on Canadian authoritites. Is this also true? I found the below text saved here locally, if I'm correctly informed Mr. Michael Riconosciuto went to jail for this affidavit. Can someone verify if this really is true. (It sounds bizarre but maybe this can happen in Amerika?) I am told that Michael Riconosciuto has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and many delays in diagnosis and treatment have occurred and people say it's becaus the US gov wants him dead because he knows too much. It's also rumoured that he never received a fair trial and that two of his lawyers were murdered. Because the US government does not admit anything about PROMIS he has been relegated as a nut and serious efforts to isolate him have been going on for more than a decade. A friend of mine sent me this info on the case: Michael Riconosciuto was asked by Bill Hamilton, the proprietor of Promis, to sign an affidavit about his alterations to the software. A week before he signed, Michael was threatened. There had already been deaths around him and Michael informed his family that he was about to be murdered or jailed and that whatever the family was going to be told about him, it wasn't true, he was being framed for telling the truth. A week after signing the affidavit, Michael ended up in jail on fraudulent charges of running a drug lab. Can someone give me some more info on this? Thank you AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO The INSLAW CASE: AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA In Re: INSLAW, INC., Debtor. CASE NO. 85-00070 (Chapter 11) INSLAW, INC., Plaintiff v. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, Defendants. CASE NO. 85-00070 Adversary Proceeding NO. 86-0069 AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO STATE OF WASHINGTON) I, MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO, being duly sworn, do hereby state as follows: 1. During the early 1980's, I served as the Director of Research for a joint venture between the Wackenhut Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida, and the Cabazon Band of Indians in Indio, California. The joint venture was located on the Cabazon reservation. 2. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture sought to develop and/or manufacture certain materials that are used in military and national security operations, including night vision goggles, machine guns, fuel-air explosives, and biological and chemical warfare weapons. EXHIBIT 1 3. The Cabazon Band of Indians are a sovereign nation. The sovereign immunity that is accorded the Cabazons as a consequence of this fact made it feasible to pursue on the reservation the development and/or manufacture of materials whose development or manufacture would be subject to stringent controls off the reservation. As a minority group, the Cabazon Indians also provided the Wackenhut Corporation with an enhanced ability to obtain federal contracts through the 8A Set Aside Program, and in connection with Government-owned contractor-operated (GOCO) facilities. 4. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture was intended to support the needs of a number of foreign governments and forces, including forces and governments in Central America and the Middle East. The Contras in Nicaragua represented one of the most important priorities for the joint venture. 5. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture maintained close liaison with certain elements of the United States Government, including representatives of intelligence, military and law enforcement agencies. 6. Among the frequent visitors to the Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture were Peter Videnieks of the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, D.C., and a close associate of Videnieks by the name of Earl W. Brian. Brian is a private businessman who lives in Maryland and who has maintained close business ties with the U.S. intelligence community for many years. 7. In connection with my work for Wackenhut, I engaged in some software development and modification work in 1983 and 1984 on the proprietary PROMIS computer software product. The copy of PROMIS on which I worked came from the Department of Justice. Earl W. Brian made it available to me through Wackenhut after acquiring it from Peter Videnieks, who was then a Department of Justice contracting official with responsibility for
Michael Riconosciuto, PROMIS
I read a few old email messages I had and stumbled over some interesting material relating to NSA, CIA and one Michael Riconosciuto among other things. I followed up on the info and did some surfing on the subject and got quite interested. I also did some searches in my cypherpunk mail folder and got no hits. Surely this must have been up in the list? Can someone give me some links please? There were also some talk about some PROMIS software somewhere and modifications being made to illegally obtained copies of proprietary software. This software was then sold by the US gov to be able to spy on Canadian authoritites. Is this also true? I found the below text saved here locally, if I'm correctly informed Mr. Michael Riconosciuto went to jail for this affidavit. Can someone verify if this really is true. (It sounds bizarre but maybe this can happen in Amerika?) I am told that Michael Riconosciuto has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and many delays in diagnosis and treatment have occurred and people say it's becaus the US gov wants him dead because he knows too much. It's also rumoured that he never received a fair trial and that two of his lawyers were murdered. Because the US government does not admit anything about PROMIS he has been relegated as a nut and serious efforts to isolate him have been going on for more than a decade. A friend of mine sent me this info on the case: Michael Riconosciuto was asked by Bill Hamilton, the proprietor of Promis, to sign an affidavit about his alterations to the software. A week before he signed, Michael was threatened. There had already been deaths around him and Michael informed his family that he was about to be murdered or jailed and that whatever the family was going to be told about him, it wasn't true, he was being framed for telling the truth. A week after signing the affidavit, Michael ended up in jail on fraudulent charges of running a drug lab. Can someone give me some more info on this? Thank you AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO The INSLAW CASE: AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA In Re: INSLAW, INC., Debtor. CASE NO. 85-00070 (Chapter 11) INSLAW, INC., Plaintiff v. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, Defendants. CASE NO. 85-00070 Adversary Proceeding NO. 86-0069 AFFIDAVIT OF MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO STATE OF WASHINGTON) I, MICHAEL J. RICONOSCIUTO, being duly sworn, do hereby state as follows: 1. During the early 1980's, I served as the Director of Research for a joint venture between the Wackenhut Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida, and the Cabazon Band of Indians in Indio, California. The joint venture was located on the Cabazon reservation. 2. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture sought to develop and/or manufacture certain materials that are used in military and national security operations, including night vision goggles, machine guns, fuel-air explosives, and biological and chemical warfare weapons. EXHIBIT 1 3. The Cabazon Band of Indians are a sovereign nation. The sovereign immunity that is accorded the Cabazons as a consequence of this fact made it feasible to pursue on the reservation the development and/or manufacture of materials whose development or manufacture would be subject to stringent controls off the reservation. As a minority group, the Cabazon Indians also provided the Wackenhut Corporation with an enhanced ability to obtain federal contracts through the 8A Set Aside Program, and in connection with Government-owned contractor-operated (GOCO) facilities. 4. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture was intended to support the needs of a number of foreign governments and forces, including forces and governments in Central America and the Middle East. The Contras in Nicaragua represented one of the most important priorities for the joint venture. 5. The Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture maintained close liaison with certain elements of the United States Government, including representatives of intelligence, military and law enforcement agencies. 6. Among the frequent visitors to the Wackenhut-Cabazon joint venture were Peter Videnieks of the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, D.C., and a close associate of Videnieks by the name of Earl W. Brian. Brian is a private businessman who lives in Maryland and who has maintained close business ties with the U.S. intelligence community for many years. 7. In connection with my work for Wackenhut, I engaged in some software development and modification work in 1983 and 1984 on the proprietary PROMIS computer software product. The copy of PROMIS on which I worked came from the Department of Justice. Earl W. Brian made it available to me through Wackenhut after acquiring it from Peter Videnieks, who was then a Department of Justice contracting official with responsibility for
Swedish military feared linked to Estonia ferry disaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 For those interested in intelligence, munitions smuggling by authorities and so on - a few words concerning military smuggling of munitions on the Estonia, feared to have played a part in the sinking and killings of 852 people on Sept 28, 1994, when the ferry M/S Estonia sinked during a journey from Estonia to Sweden. It has been rumoured for a long time that there were some kind of smuggling of sensitive material taking place on Estonia and that Russian authorities did not like this, needless to say. The very stressed and hasty investigation performed by the involved nations also raised suspicions amongst a lot of people. On top of all this the Swedish social democratic government did all they could to hinder future investigations of the wreckage by trying to cover it with stones and concrete. First some other related info. The reader should know that the Swedish social democratic party is notorious for acting in undemocratic and deceitful manners against the Swedish people. Two of the most infamous affairs being the IB affair and the Catalina affair. In the IB affair it was shown that the social democratic party had founded a secret and unlawful military intelligence bureau as the party's own private spy organization to spy on other politcal adversaries, a Swedish version of Watergate if you will, but it went far beyond that. Hundreds of thousands of people were targeted during a number of years. Even Olof Palme himself knew about break-ins that the intelligence officers performed in other countries embassies in Stockholm, one of them was Egypt's embassy. One major characteristic is that the Swedish way of doing things means sweeping things under the carpet and not letting the public know the truths, this is shown in every affair known in resent years, including the Estonia disaster. In all of these affairs it's the social democrats that has been the most responsible party and the party almost in constant power in Sweden historically speaking. The magazine breaking the news in 1973 today has a web site about the affair, http://www.fib.se/IB/ In the Catalina affair it was very recently shown actually, after the planes was discovered east of the island Gotland in the Baltic Sea, that they were both indeed gunned down, as had been suspected for decades. On June 13 1952 the DC3 plane Hugin disappeared and the only thing found was a trashed rescue raft. Three days later the rescure plane of type Catalina was also gunned down and forced to emergency landing. It's today also known however that the Swedish (social democratic) governments have all been maliciously and intentionally lying all along about the Hugin's purpose to both the Swedish people as well as the families. Hugin was in fact gathering intelligence very close (some say on the wrong side even) of the Russian border and was relaying all this signal intelligence directly to the Americans. USA was amongst other things interested in Russias capacity to fight the B-47. This was well known for the Russians and this was the direct cause of the attacks in 1952. It is believed that the Swedish FRA, standing for Försvarets RadioAnstalt, translating to The Defence's Radio Institution, which is Swedens NSA, signed secret treaties with the US some three years prior to the assult on these planes. The FRA had 5 employees on the Hugin when it was gunned down. It wasn't until 1991 that the families knew what happened, that was when the Russians admitted a Mig-15 gunned them down. When the recon plane was found in June 2004 it was situated far east of the earlier officially declared crash site which further fules the speculation that Hugin was indeed flying where it shouldn't have been, conducting its sigint operations and that the Swedish governments knew this all along. The Hugin was found June 10, 2003. I'm not sure how much of these affairs is known outside Sweden, but it's interesting read that's for sure and I just may get back to these things and others like them later on. Back to other things now. This was published today in Sweden, along with a tv show of one hour: INRIKES Publicerad 30 november Krigsmateriel fraktades på Estonia Estonia hade veckorna före förlisning- en vid två tillfällen krigsmateriel från Baltikum i lasten. Enligt kväll- ens Uppdrag granskning i SVT rörde det sig om rysk elektronik som svenska försvaret tog in för att studera. Lars Borgnäs som gjort programmet säger att avslöjandet belyser hur svenska myndigheter hanterat kata- strofen. -Man har t.ex. inte undersökt bildäck, säger han till SVT Text. Den pensionerade tullintendenten Lennart Henriksson uppger att han fått order om att släppa igenom bilarna på begäran av försvarsmakten. Läs mer på svt.se/nyheter Which translates into something like this: DOMESTIC Published
Jewish wholy words..
Is it true that the jews have these texts in their scriptures? #1. Sanhedrin 59a: Murdering Goyim (Gentiles) is like killing a wild animal. #2. Aboda Sarah 37a: A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated. #3. Yebamoth 11b: Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age. #4. Abodah Zara 26b: Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed. #5. Yebamoth 98a: All gentile children are animals. #6. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean. #7. Baba Necia 114, 6: The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts.
Jewish wholy words..
Is it true that the jews have these texts in their scriptures? #1. Sanhedrin 59a: Murdering Goyim (Gentiles) is like killing a wild animal. #2. Aboda Sarah 37a: A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated. #3. Yebamoth 11b: Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age. #4. Abodah Zara 26b: Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed. #5. Yebamoth 98a: All gentile children are animals. #6. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean. #7. Baba Necia 114, 6: The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts.
Swedish military feared linked to Estonia ferry disaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 For those interested in intelligence, munitions smuggling by authorities and so on - a few words concerning military smuggling of munitions on the Estonia, feared to have played a part in the sinking and killings of 852 people on Sept 28, 1994, when the ferry M/S Estonia sinked during a journey from Estonia to Sweden. It has been rumoured for a long time that there were some kind of smuggling of sensitive material taking place on Estonia and that Russian authorities did not like this, needless to say. The very stressed and hasty investigation performed by the involved nations also raised suspicions amongst a lot of people. On top of all this the Swedish social democratic government did all they could to hinder future investigations of the wreckage by trying to cover it with stones and concrete. First some other related info. The reader should know that the Swedish social democratic party is notorious for acting in undemocratic and deceitful manners against the Swedish people. Two of the most infamous affairs being the IB affair and the Catalina affair. In the IB affair it was shown that the social democratic party had founded a secret and unlawful military intelligence bureau as the party's own private spy organization to spy on other politcal adversaries, a Swedish version of Watergate if you will, but it went far beyond that. Hundreds of thousands of people were targeted during a number of years. Even Olof Palme himself knew about break-ins that the intelligence officers performed in other countries embassies in Stockholm, one of them was Egypt's embassy. One major characteristic is that the Swedish way of doing things means sweeping things under the carpet and not letting the public know the truths, this is shown in every affair known in resent years, including the Estonia disaster. In all of these affairs it's the social democrats that has been the most responsible party and the party almost in constant power in Sweden historically speaking. The magazine breaking the news in 1973 today has a web site about the affair, http://www.fib.se/IB/ In the Catalina affair it was very recently shown actually, after the planes was discovered east of the island Gotland in the Baltic Sea, that they were both indeed gunned down, as had been suspected for decades. On June 13 1952 the DC3 plane Hugin disappeared and the only thing found was a trashed rescue raft. Three days later the rescure plane of type Catalina was also gunned down and forced to emergency landing. It's today also known however that the Swedish (social democratic) governments have all been maliciously and intentionally lying all along about the Hugin's purpose to both the Swedish people as well as the families. Hugin was in fact gathering intelligence very close (some say on the wrong side even) of the Russian border and was relaying all this signal intelligence directly to the Americans. USA was amongst other things interested in Russias capacity to fight the B-47. This was well known for the Russians and this was the direct cause of the attacks in 1952. It is believed that the Swedish FRA, standing for Försvarets RadioAnstalt, translating to The Defence's Radio Institution, which is Swedens NSA, signed secret treaties with the US some three years prior to the assult on these planes. The FRA had 5 employees on the Hugin when it was gunned down. It wasn't until 1991 that the families knew what happened, that was when the Russians admitted a Mig-15 gunned them down. When the recon plane was found in June 2004 it was situated far east of the earlier officially declared crash site which further fules the speculation that Hugin was indeed flying where it shouldn't have been, conducting its sigint operations and that the Swedish governments knew this all along. The Hugin was found June 10, 2003. I'm not sure how much of these affairs is known outside Sweden, but it's interesting read that's for sure and I just may get back to these things and others like them later on. Back to other things now. This was published today in Sweden, along with a tv show of one hour: INRIKES Publicerad 30 november Krigsmateriel fraktades på Estonia Estonia hade veckorna före förlisning- en vid två tillfällen krigsmateriel från Baltikum i lasten. Enligt kväll- ens Uppdrag granskning i SVT rörde det sig om rysk elektronik som svenska försvaret tog in för att studera. Lars Borgnäs som gjort programmet säger att avslöjandet belyser hur svenska myndigheter hanterat kata- strofen. -Man har t.ex. inte undersökt bildäck, säger han till SVT Text. Den pensionerade tullintendenten Lennart Henriksson uppger att han fått order om att släppa igenom bilarna på begäran av försvarsmakten. Läs mer på svt.se/nyheter Which translates into something like this: DOMESTIC Published
Re: Why Americans Hate Dissenters
John Young: On CJ (Carl Johnson) and Jim Bell: Hi John Thanks for the info! Several times in the past I've seen concrete relevant questions asked on the list without anyone taking their time to answer them. The stories of these cypherpunks are indeed interesting and relevant for the list. I guess the story of Jim and CJ is the reason why one of the cypherpunks nodes used to have this text on the page: It is known this list is under surveillence by US and foreign law enforcement and intelligence agencies, consider using anonymous remailers and cryptography Regards
Re: The Values-Vote Myth
J.A. Terranson schrieb: This election *proves* that at least half the electorate, about 60 million people, are just Useless Eaters, who should be eagerly awaiting their Trip Up The Chimneys. Wow! A Tim May copycat! (Both the 'useless eaters' and the 'chimney'!)
Re: The Values-Vote Myth
J.A. Terranson schrieb: This election *proves* that at least half the electorate, about 60 million people, are just Useless Eaters, who should be eagerly awaiting their Trip Up The Chimneys. Wow! A Tim May copycat! (Both the 'useless eaters' and the 'chimney'!)
Re: Why Americans Hate Democrats-A Dialogue
John Young: Tyler, Commie is the term used here like is nazi used elsewhere as the most fearsome if thoughtless epithet. Nazi here is a term of endearment, and also admirable role model by some. Calling someone both is not allowed, check the FAQ under impurity. Tim May, praise Allah, always claimed cypherpunks was a fair and balanced forum thanks to the one person of the left here who was fingered affectionately like a house rodent, an easy target for errant shooters. CJ is not to be recalled, ever. Jim Bell still sends very important legal papers, the latest yesterday, which describe the way things should be understood. But who can believe an MIT chemist political prisoner. CJ and Jim jailed by the Democratic freedom-fighters. CJ is CJ Parker, who posted a few emails to this list back in early 2003? I guess I haven't been around long enough to know all famous cpunks who have been posting to the list. Maybe someone could tell in short who those were, I guess there are one or two on the list who weren't around and would appreciate the stories. I think I remember having read about Bell, something about him having threatened FBI agents or something? Does Jim Bell post emails somewhere today?
Re: Why Americans Hate Democrats-A Dialogue
John Young: Tyler, Commie is the term used here like is nazi used elsewhere as the most fearsome if thoughtless epithet. Nazi here is a term of endearment, and also admirable role model by some. Calling someone both is not allowed, check the FAQ under impurity. Tim May, praise Allah, always claimed cypherpunks was a fair and balanced forum thanks to the one person of the left here who was fingered affectionately like a house rodent, an easy target for errant shooters. CJ is not to be recalled, ever. Jim Bell still sends very important legal papers, the latest yesterday, which describe the way things should be understood. But who can believe an MIT chemist political prisoner. CJ and Jim jailed by the Democratic freedom-fighters. CJ is CJ Parker, who posted a few emails to this list back in early 2003? I guess I haven't been around long enough to know all famous cpunks who have been posting to the list. Maybe someone could tell in short who those were, I guess there are one or two on the list who weren't around and would appreciate the stories. I think I remember having read about Bell, something about him having threatened FBI agents or something? Does Jim Bell post emails somewhere today?
Re: This Memorable Day
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James A. Donald: You are quite right, it is unjust that people like Bin Laden are so immensely rich with oil wealth. To remedy this problem, Bush should confiscate the Middle Eastern oil reserves. You are using stale old communist rhetoric - but today's terrorists no longer not even pretend to fight on behalf of the poor and oppressed. This was quite lame and doesn't really deserve a response. To label any argument that points out the obvious circumstance that injustice feeds hatred as communist propaganda, is really only ridiculous, even if it's also dangerously incompetent and as such no real laughing matter. Why do you mention Bin Laden anyway? There are thousands of bigger and smaller groups around the world (they exists in every country more or less) that we'd label as terrorists in the western part of the world. You think every one of these hundreds of thousands or perhaps millions of recruits and followers are millionaires? Fantastically lame comment to a real and important issue. Should we take you seriously when you write these childish rants? I don't know what to fear the most, the dangerous ignorance of those of your kind or what dictatorial rulers may accomplish using your ignorant kind as followers who do not question the truths from the authorities. Hitler did it in the 30's election where some 37% voted for the nazis, in a democratic multi-party election I might add. Some of the ingrediences present then in Hitler's rhetoric are also present today in Bush's rhetoric, even though I don't mean to make the comparison . We just cannot afford to be this naive. I can't help thinking about the fact that we usually portray Americans as a religious and church going people. Perhaps some 25% attend church on a somewhat regular basis. To make matters worse those people seem to vote for Bush(?). One can't help wonder if they're literate and if they actually read the bible and it's message of love, understanding, forgiveness and compassion for their fellow man. May god bless the world, we may need it. Johnny Doelittle Men willingly believe what they wish. (Julius Caesar) There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity. (von Goethe) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Tom Ridge Special v1.01 iQA/AwUBQYoO4jVaKWz2Ji/mEQKzWACfTEUN6ENT9/kbzMEOQVuvM4txtpIAnRI2 pU5RbBMeBggUCWf2ZW4rBQYG =EiIW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: This Memorable Day
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 R.A. Hettinga: Are you high, junior? Or is it just your politics that sound so... sophomoric? Communism, Fuck Yeah!!! States are People Too Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. (Euripides) You too. Sad it is. Howcome the Americans became so egocentrical and cynical that anyone who dares to speak up and support compassion for his fellow man automatically is a communist? It's a sincere question, no doubt in my mind that we won't get a sincere answer though. Reading your email actually reminds me of those of Tim May, he also seemed to be full of bigotry and hatred and deeply disliked anyone who were unfortunate enough to be poor. Our culture -- yours, too, bunky, since I bet you don't shit into a hole in the floor and pray 5 times a day for, as Hanson appropriately No I don't shit into a hole, but I can still try to be unbiased and extend a though or two to other people who are not so fortunate as we are to be born in the rich part of the world. Ah. That's right. I'm not nuanced enough. It's too *complicated* for anyone who didn't take your sophomore (cryptomarxist) History Studies class, or whatever. Please. To me it's enough to at least try to understand and try live by the spirit of the Bible. It's also quite ironical that all those right wing voters actually read communist propaganda in church, since that is the logical conclusion of your arguments made here. There we go. Wisdom from a thug. How about this thug, instead, kid, quoted just about as much out of context as you have yours: When the hares made speeches in the assembly and demanded that all should have equality, the lions replied, Where are your claws and teeth? -- attributed to Antisthenes in Aristotle, 'Politics', 3.7.2 Oh. That's right. One shouldn't read Aristotle. He was a White Male Oppressor... You like quotes, ok here I have a small collection for you, maybe one or two of them qualifies as white oppressors too, I don't know. Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. (Nietzsche) An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens. (Thomas Jefferson) I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crises. The great point is to bring them the real facts. (Abraham Lincoln) It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets. (Voltaire) What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? (Mahatma Gandhi) Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. (Martin Luther King) Sheesh. When will September ever end? In my calendar it's November already, I don't know about yours. Johnny Doelittle -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Tom Ridge Special v1.01 iQA/AwUBQYoOvDVaKWz2Ji/mEQLUvgCfZJiR4Nmtvpe00RHmsfJujf1opfYAn289 PIgwc3xyE+/RolLAFBqAc6Ks =cwYX -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: This Memorable Day
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 R.A. Hettinga: Are you high, junior? Or is it just your politics that sound so... sophomoric? Communism, Fuck Yeah!!! States are People Too Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. (Euripides) You too. Sad it is. Howcome the Americans became so egocentrical and cynical that anyone who dares to speak up and support compassion for his fellow man automatically is a communist? It's a sincere question, no doubt in my mind that we won't get a sincere answer though. Reading your email actually reminds me of those of Tim May, he also seemed to be full of bigotry and hatred and deeply disliked anyone who were unfortunate enough to be poor. Our culture -- yours, too, bunky, since I bet you don't shit into a hole in the floor and pray 5 times a day for, as Hanson appropriately No I don't shit into a hole, but I can still try to be unbiased and extend a though or two to other people who are not so fortunate as we are to be born in the rich part of the world. Ah. That's right. I'm not nuanced enough. It's too *complicated* for anyone who didn't take your sophomore (cryptomarxist) History Studies class, or whatever. Please. To me it's enough to at least try to understand and try live by the spirit of the Bible. It's also quite ironical that all those right wing voters actually read communist propaganda in church, since that is the logical conclusion of your arguments made here. There we go. Wisdom from a thug. How about this thug, instead, kid, quoted just about as much out of context as you have yours: When the hares made speeches in the assembly and demanded that all should have equality, the lions replied, Where are your claws and teeth? -- attributed to Antisthenes in Aristotle, 'Politics', 3.7.2 Oh. That's right. One shouldn't read Aristotle. He was a White Male Oppressor... You like quotes, ok here I have a small collection for you, maybe one or two of them qualifies as white oppressors too, I don't know. Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. (Nietzsche) An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens. (Thomas Jefferson) I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crises. The great point is to bring them the real facts. (Abraham Lincoln) It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets. (Voltaire) What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? (Mahatma Gandhi) Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. (Martin Luther King) Sheesh. When will September ever end? In my calendar it's November already, I don't know about yours. Johnny Doelittle -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Tom Ridge Special v1.01 iQA/AwUBQYoOvDVaKWz2Ji/mEQLUvgCfZJiR4Nmtvpe00RHmsfJujf1opfYAn289 PIgwc3xyE+/RolLAFBqAc6Ks =cwYX -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: This Memorable Day
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James A. Donald: You are quite right, it is unjust that people like Bin Laden are so immensely rich with oil wealth. To remedy this problem, Bush should confiscate the Middle Eastern oil reserves. You are using stale old communist rhetoric - but today's terrorists no longer not even pretend to fight on behalf of the poor and oppressed. This was quite lame and doesn't really deserve a response. To label any argument that points out the obvious circumstance that injustice feeds hatred as communist propaganda, is really only ridiculous, even if it's also dangerously incompetent and as such no real laughing matter. Why do you mention Bin Laden anyway? There are thousands of bigger and smaller groups around the world (they exists in every country more or less) that we'd label as terrorists in the western part of the world. You think every one of these hundreds of thousands or perhaps millions of recruits and followers are millionaires? Fantastically lame comment to a real and important issue. Should we take you seriously when you write these childish rants? I don't know what to fear the most, the dangerous ignorance of those of your kind or what dictatorial rulers may accomplish using your ignorant kind as followers who do not question the truths from the authorities. Hitler did it in the 30's election where some 37% voted for the nazis, in a democratic multi-party election I might add. Some of the ingrediences present then in Hitler's rhetoric are also present today in Bush's rhetoric, even though I don't mean to make the comparison . We just cannot afford to be this naive. I can't help thinking about the fact that we usually portray Americans as a religious and church going people. Perhaps some 25% attend church on a somewhat regular basis. To make matters worse those people seem to vote for Bush(?). One can't help wonder if they're literate and if they actually read the bible and it's message of love, understanding, forgiveness and compassion for their fellow man. May god bless the world, we may need it. Johnny Doelittle Men willingly believe what they wish. (Julius Caesar) There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity. (von Goethe) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Tom Ridge Special v1.01 iQA/AwUBQYoO4jVaKWz2Ji/mEQKzWACfTEUN6ENT9/kbzMEOQVuvM4txtpIAnRI2 pU5RbBMeBggUCWf2ZW4rBQYG =EiIW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: This Memorable Day
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 R.A. Hettinga: You're gonna love this one: You can't have terrorism without state sponsors. Nonsense! Are you in junior high? We take out (by whatever means at hand...) state sponsors of terrorism, and, hey, presto, no terrorism. Iraq. Syria. Iran. Libya. Doesn't look so hard to me. Oh. That's right. Libya rolled over. Americans -- actually westerners in general -- may win ugly, Peter, but, so far, they win. This post gave me a big laugh. So naive. There are a few basic forces feeding extremism and terrorism around the world and those are inequalities and injustice anywhere. As long as the most powerful nations of the world continues to exploit the earth's resources without taking appropriate considerations to other nations the wrath and dismay of people elsewhere will always persist. Not understanding this or simply neglecting it will further add to the negative feelings and opinions and fuel extremism. The only way to move towards a more friendly world is to make people feel they are able to share the wealth and prosperity of the world. As long as there is one single person anywhere in the world hungering to death there is still a basis for fundamentalism and all the problem that leads to. Continuing being arrogant and policing the world without listening to the oppressed people in the middle east and elsewhere will never ever eradicate terrorism. You may may or may not be able to reasonable confidently hinder most terror deeds (but only after having turned also the western civilization into police states) but you cannot stop the oppressed man from growing the hatred i his mind. If you do not understand this you are not only unintelligent IMNSHO but also part of the problem itself. You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it. (Malcolm X) Johnny Doelittle -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Tom Ridge Special v1.01 iQA/AwUBQYicHzVaKWz2Ji/mEQJ/KgCeJaL0A7KEtXrdg6DmER5yGHwhJWEAoNA/ 96lJo2JRLf4zWoOTjELrPQB4 =Uq+t -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: This Memorable Day
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 R.A. Hettinga: You're gonna love this one: You can't have terrorism without state sponsors. Nonsense! Are you in junior high? We take out (by whatever means at hand...) state sponsors of terrorism, and, hey, presto, no terrorism. Iraq. Syria. Iran. Libya. Doesn't look so hard to me. Oh. That's right. Libya rolled over. Americans -- actually westerners in general -- may win ugly, Peter, but, so far, they win. This post gave me a big laugh. So naive. There are a few basic forces feeding extremism and terrorism around the world and those are inequalities and injustice anywhere. As long as the most powerful nations of the world continues to exploit the earth's resources without taking appropriate considerations to other nations the wrath and dismay of people elsewhere will always persist. Not understanding this or simply neglecting it will further add to the negative feelings and opinions and fuel extremism. The only way to move towards a more friendly world is to make people feel they are able to share the wealth and prosperity of the world. As long as there is one single person anywhere in the world hungering to death there is still a basis for fundamentalism and all the problem that leads to. Continuing being arrogant and policing the world without listening to the oppressed people in the middle east and elsewhere will never ever eradicate terrorism. You may may or may not be able to reasonable confidently hinder most terror deeds (but only after having turned also the western civilization into police states) but you cannot stop the oppressed man from growing the hatred i his mind. If you do not understand this you are not only unintelligent IMNSHO but also part of the problem itself. You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it. (Malcolm X) Johnny Doelittle -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Tom Ridge Special v1.01 iQA/AwUBQYicHzVaKWz2Ji/mEQJ/KgCeJaL0A7KEtXrdg6DmER5yGHwhJWEAoNA/ 96lJo2JRLf4zWoOTjELrPQB4 =Uq+t -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Poor privacy protection in the states
Why don't Americans honour security and privacy higher? Look at this page http://www.ci.stpaul.mn.us/depts/police/prostitution_photos_current.ht ml Which is from a police department! http://www.ci.stpaul.mn.us/depts/police/ If we look at the spirit of this quote I don't see how it is ok to behave in this abusive manner by the authorities. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated... (from the fourth amendment, US constitution) It is one thing if we're talking about very dangerous individuals who are being sought after by the police and who the public needs to be aware of but here we have a completely different situation. Why is the integrity and security of the simple man on the street not honoured in the US society today? It's a big difference between the protection of personal privacy in Europe and in the US and all Americans should really ask themselves why this has to be.
Poor privacy protection in the states
Why don't Americans honour security and privacy higher? Look at this page http://www.ci.stpaul.mn.us/depts/police/prostitution_photos_current.ht ml Which is from a police department! http://www.ci.stpaul.mn.us/depts/police/ If we look at the spirit of this quote I don't see how it is ok to behave in this abusive manner by the authorities. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated... (from the fourth amendment, US constitution) It is one thing if we're talking about very dangerous individuals who are being sought after by the police and who the public needs to be aware of but here we have a completely different situation. Why is the integrity and security of the simple man on the street not honoured in the US society today? It's a big difference between the protection of personal privacy in Europe and in the US and all Americans should really ask themselves why this has to be.
Money Laundering for the Nazis by President Bush's family
The subject says it all. Read more here: http://www.debatecomics.org/BushFamilyFortune/ We must retire this criminal from office now! Link to the full 89 MB pdf below http://www.debatecomics.org/assets/Sources/US_Fascism/ A-2%20FascistFriendly%20Power%20Brokers/ Roaming%20Ghost%20Case/Whole/full.pdf (Concat above rows to one URL)
Money Laundering for the Nazis by President Bush's family
The subject says it all. Read more here: http://www.debatecomics.org/BushFamilyFortune/ We must retire this criminal from office now! Link to the full 89 MB pdf below http://www.debatecomics.org/assets/Sources/US_Fascism/ A-2%20FascistFriendly%20Power%20Brokers/ Roaming%20Ghost%20Case/Whole/full.pdf (Concat above rows to one URL)
Implant replaces ID cards for access to restricted areas.
Mexican Attorney General, Staff Get Chip Implants Implant replaces ID cards for access to restricted areas. The Attorney General of Mexico, Rafael Macedo de la Concha, recently announced at the opening of Mexico's National Information Center that he and some of his staff had been implanted with VeriChips to replace their ID tags for access to restricted areas, and to access the country's crime database. http://www.govtech.net/magazine/channel_story.php?channel=24id=90885
Implant replaces ID cards for access to restricted areas.
Mexican Attorney General, Staff Get Chip Implants Implant replaces ID cards for access to restricted areas. The Attorney General of Mexico, Rafael Macedo de la Concha, recently announced at the opening of Mexico's National Information Center that he and some of his staff had been implanted with VeriChips to replace their ID tags for access to restricted areas, and to access the country's crime database. http://www.govtech.net/magazine/channel_story.php?channel=24id=90885
Re: BrinCity 2.0: Mayor outlines elaborate camera network for city
-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext R. A. Hettinga ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 2004-09-10: Critics say the cameras ought not be regarded as a panacea in crime fighting. They say the more there are, the greater the potential for abuse. So, since this is titled BrinCity, it surely means that the image streams will be available from a web site and that we the people get cameras in the emergency response center and the mayor's office? -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-
Re: BrinCity 2.0: Mayor outlines elaborate camera network for city
-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext R. A. Hettinga ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 2004-09-10: Critics say the cameras ought not be regarded as a panacea in crime fighting. They say the more there are, the greater the potential for abuse. So, since this is titled BrinCity, it surely means that the image streams will be available from a web site and that we the people get cameras in the emergency response center and the mayor's office? -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-
Re: Remailers an unsolveable paradox?
We want to be able to provide the means for whistleblowers and others to communicate in a secure and anonymous fashion. Yet we need to make sure we're not abused too much since sooner or later laws will catch up with the remailers should abuse sky-rocket. The ratio of remailer use to abuse is painfully low because there's no way to actually communicate. You can broadcast but not recieve, because no system exists to receive mail psuedononymously. This is not communication. Remailer use is restricted to when senders don't care about listener, which means rants, death threats, and the abuse of spam. The only systems for receiving mail are at best some college student's unimplemented thesis. Let's take our shining example of truth and freedom, the whistle-blower. When they send out mail to the media or whomever, one of two things happens: they see the story published or they don't. If not, there's no idea why: was it received? Did the media want more information? Did they need more support? Do they want to verify it? Do they want to help the whistle-blower? Even if the story is published, whistle-blowing is kneecapped: it can't be supported, or expanded on, or debated in any but the most rudimentary fashion. It doesn't matter if remailers disappear, they've already failed.
Re: Remailers an unsolveable paradox?
We want to be able to provide the means for whistleblowers and others to communicate in a secure and anonymous fashion. Yet we need to make sure we're not abused too much since sooner or later laws will catch up with the remailers should abuse sky-rocket. The ratio of remailer use to abuse is painfully low because there's no way to actually communicate. You can broadcast but not recieve, because no system exists to receive mail psuedononymously. This is not communication. Remailer use is restricted to when senders don't care about listener, which means rants, death threats, and the abuse of spam. The only systems for receiving mail are at best some college student's unimplemented thesis. Let's take our shining example of truth and freedom, the whistle-blower. When they send out mail to the media or whomever, one of two things happens: they see the story published or they don't. If not, there's no idea why: was it received? Did the media want more information? Did they need more support? Do they want to verify it? Do they want to help the whistle-blower? Even if the story is published, whistle-blowing is kneecapped: it can't be supported, or expanded on, or debated in any but the most rudimentary fashion. It doesn't matter if remailers disappear, they've already failed.
Remailers an unsolveable paradox?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Are remailers an unsolveable paradox? We want to be able to provide the means for whistleblowers and others to communicate in a secure and anonymous fashion. Yet we need to make sure we're not abused too much since sooner or later laws will catch up with the remailers should abuse sky-rocket. Once upon a time all email servers were open relays. This was a friendly time and spam wasn't invented. As time changed the focus turned on securing the relaying procedures and has continued until this day. Yet as we know the flow of spam (most of it coming directly or indirectly from US) continued to increase, despite even existing legislation today. What are the possible solutions for the remailers? Make all remailers middleman only and adding the ability to opt-in for delivery outside the network? Having a network of middleman remailers and some nymservers that only delivers to other nymserver or opted-in servers will at least provide some means for people to communicate between themselves. It would in practise destroy the ability to contact anyone outside the network though, making the network an isolated place for a few. Using techniques like Hashcash should be more or less mandatory even today to make it harder to mailbomb or send large amounts spam? Why is it not? Regardless of what any hardcore cypherpunk or old-timers in the remailer community may think about any ideas imposing restrains on the useability of remailers something just have to be made about the abuse of the system. I also predict that the abuse will increase so time is ticking in a sense. Making sure we have robust remailing services in one shape or another and at the same time have some kind of at least indirect acceptance from legislators and also a low degree of spam flowing through are essential goals. The average naive and ignorant redneck will never ever understand the principal arguments for free speech that makes remailers useful. The average american do not think and analyze what is told to him. You will probably today find millions of americans who believe that Saddam and Al-Qaeda did business just because Bush and the administration lied about that initially, even though it's more or less confirmed today that those links were not there. The rednecks also vote however (to some extent) and that's why it will be a piece of cake to strike against the remailers if the politicians would like to. And they will, if and when serious abuse were to happen more often utilizing remailers. What would happen if it was found (or simply suspected or claimed) that some terror deed was planned using remailers? How long time would it take for us to see new laws being proposed? Not long. And don't forget that anyone (like Tom Ridge himself) could send bogues messages through the system trying to Since providing a true non-censoring remailing service and at the same time safeguard against spam and abuse are therotically incompatible I guess remailers are indeed a paradox waiting to be shut down sooner or later by politicians if we're not open to at least discuss some aspects of how these services are operated. Johnny Doelittle -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Tom Ridge Special v1.01 iQA/AwUBQTWdszVaKWz2Ji/mEQJlUwCfT/jWnw/p2ydTJTKMYKA5/hs+Dm8AoNoE r9bl2EtJ3CQpZPgfkSPfGBWB =B8dt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Effective today, Lemuria will be going middlemen. Sometime around the middle of the month, Lemuria will go away. This is final. The main reasons are that I've lost my faith in the usefulness of the remailer network. I have indications that the remailer network is being massively abused, on the scale where the legitimate mails are a tiny fraction that would be better served using other means. There are two main reasons for my thoughts. One is I have looked at the bounces I receive, and compared their numbers to my statistics. According to that data, without having run a statistically significant analysis, the major traffic coming through Lemuria is Spam, with threats and harrassment a second. I realize that in the no-bounces, the fraction of legitimate mails will be higher, but even assuming a factor of 10, it is still a negligable part. Second, I've the mail attached below yesterday. In case you can't read german, it is essentially spam advertising the mixmaster software and some book and/or software I haven't tested, might be a mixmaster client, might be a trojan. This is a sign for me that the anonymous remailer network is being used systematically for abuse, on a large scale. I don't want to be a part of that. As mixmaster has no features whatsoever to prevent this crap, and the encrypted only switch doesn't do what it should do, and legitimate traffic is close to zero anyways, I'll be taking Lemuria down and leaving the remailer community. It was an interesting time, and between frog, the SciTol fanatics
Re: JYA in NYT
http://nytimes.com/2004/08/29/nyregion/29pipeline.html August 29, 2004 Mapping Natural Gas Lines: Advise the Public, Tip Off the Terrorists By IAN URBINA John Young says he is an agent for change, hoping to point out places where the government needs to bolster national security. Since 1996, he has been posting documents on his Web site, ranging from detailed maps of nuclear storage facilities in New Mexico to aerial photographs of police preparations for the Republican National Convention. He has never attracted much attention from the authorities, and what he does is fully legal. But last month, Mr. Young, a 68-year-old architect originally from Odessa, Tex., began publishing maps and pictures of natural gas pipelines in New York City on his site (www.cryptome.org). One photograph was of a large sign in Midtown Manhattan warning about the presence of a major gas main, a sign that had been meant to prevent deadly accidents. Within a week, the company that owns the pipeline took the sign down. They posted the signs because they thought someone might accidentally blow the pipeline up,'' Mr. Young said. Now, they're taking them down because they think someone might intentionally blow it up.'' For Mr. Young - and for a range of experts across the country - the strange and unnoticed little episode in Manhattan underscores one of the great tensions of the post-9/11 world: how to balance the desire for secrecy with decisions on what is best for public safety. Few issues highlight that tension better than the topic of natural gas. Private industry and local governments have spent much of the last several decades trying to make natural gas pipelines safer by publicizing where they are. Natural gas, highly explosive and transported in pipes underneath unknowing residents or uncharted along waterways, has been the cause of scores of lethal accidents - fiery explosions caused by misdirected backhoes or wayward boat anchors. But recent concerns have pushed in the opposite direction. Increasingly, gas companies have been clearing their Web sites of pipeline maps previously used by contractors before excavating. Almost all nautical charts once indicated where gas pipes run. Fewer do now. Federal regulations require companies to make these lines as obvious as possible and educate the public about where they are,'' said Kelly Swan, a spokesman for Williams, the company that owns the pipe supplying Manhattan. But local laws indicate that we were allowed to get rid of that particular sign, and after the recent publicity about it, we did.'' Edward M. Stroz, a retired F.B.I. agent who runs his own consulting firm on security issues, said many infrastructure companies found themselves caught between old risks and new threats. The challenge is to make this infrastructure not so obvious that it's almost inviting to terrorists,'' he said, while also not pulling so much information out of public reach that accidents occur.'' Natural gas arrives in New York City through six so-called city gates, reached after traveling thousands of miles in pipes running from deposits deep beneath southeastern Texas and Sable Island, off the east coast of Nova Scotia. Here it enters a local grid of smaller pipes owned by Consolidated Edison in Manhattan, the Bronx and portions of Queens, and owned by Keyspan in the rest of the city. The gas is used for heating, cooking, and increasingly for fuel in city power plants. But natural gas is also at risk of sabotage. This tactic actually comes from our own playbook,'' said Thomas C. Reed, the former secretary of the Air Force under President Gerald R. Ford and the author of At the Abyss: An Insider's History of the Cold War.'' In 1982, the C.I.A. hacked into the software that controlled Soviet natural gas pipelines, causing vital pumps, turbines and valves to go haywire, he explained. The result, Mr. Reed said, was the largest nonnuclear explosion and fire ever seen from space and a major blow to Soviet sales of natural gas to Western Europe. The tactic was a stroke of genius,'' he said. Jose Padilla, the former Chicago gang member who grew up in Brooklyn, and who was accused of becoming an operative for Al Qaeda, intended to use natural gas to blow up three tall buildings, the authorities say. According to government documents, Mr. Padilla intended to rent apartments in three high-rise buildings that used natural gas, fill each apartment with fumes and detonate the three buildings simultaneously using timers. Security experts have repeatedly pointed to the natural gas pipeline system as a dangerous Achilles' heel in the domestic infrastructure. A report by the Council on Foreign Relations in 2002 said that city gates and compressor stations, which keep the gas moving through the pipelines, were most vulnerable. These critical nodes, the report explained, are usually above ground and sometimes protected only by chain-link fences and padlocks. If even one or two of these locations were
EFGA?
What happened to Electronic Frontiers Georgia (efga.org)? Are they gone for good? They did operate the cracker remailer did they not? And they did have a newsletter on privacy issues? Anyone knows?
CDR nodes listing
Can someone post a listing of all active CDR nodes please? Information from pages like this one lists some inactive nodes I'm sure http://www.al-qaeda.net/cpunk/
CDR nodes listing
Can someone post a listing of all active CDR nodes please? Information from pages like this one lists some inactive nodes I'm sure http://www.al-qaeda.net/cpunk/
Michael Moore in Cambridge (download speech)
Very interesting speech by Michael Moore in Cambridge July 27, 10 MB http://hem.bredband.net/b114631/tillf/Michael_Moore_in_Cambridge_04072 7.rm The file will be available for download a short period of time. Michael shows us what the upcoming election is all about.
Type III Anonymous message
-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext From: a.melon@ To: Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bcc: Subject: Re: For Liars and Loafers, Cellphones Offer an Alibi Reply-To: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Major Variola (ret) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 2004-06-27: At 11:53 PM 6/26/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: not to overpower the wanted signals on something like this. Even if this is doable, it is out of reach of Jane Citizen. Any signal you put out is trackable to you geographically, whether its a cell or GPS frequency. A GPS receiver doesn't broadcast its location. GPS works purely by analyzing the signals received from satellites. This is probably a design goal for military use, as well as a consequence of power requirements. There is no such thing as a GPS frequency. It seems that for CDMA or WCDMA phones the location service is defined in terms of messages on the normal network layer, see a Google search for position determination service order. -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-
Re: [Politech] John Gilmore on the homeless, RFID tags, and kittens
At 05:39 PM 4/1/04 -0500, Steve Furlong wrote: On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 16:21, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Tastes just like chicken? Can we change the subject? My girlfriend is Chinese, Does she have a chip implant? I've already eaten things that I wouldn't have considered to be food Ask her to shower first she doesn't like my cat Get a new girlfriend
Re: [Politech] John Gilmore on the homeless, RFID tags, and kittens
At 05:39 PM 4/1/04 -0500, Steve Furlong wrote: On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 16:21, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Tastes just like chicken? Can we change the subject? My girlfriend is Chinese, Does she have a chip implant? I've already eaten things that I wouldn't have considered to be food Ask her to shower first she doesn't like my cat Get a new girlfriend
Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)
Justin says: If they know you're trying to shake them, that alerts them and eliminates any opportunity you might have otherwise had to feed them misinformation in the future. That's when you strap on the C-4 vest. Zombie Monger
Re: Gentlemen reading mail part II (opsec review)
Justin says: If they know you're trying to shake them, that alerts them and eliminates any opportunity you might have otherwise had to feed them misinformation in the future. That's when you strap on the C-4 vest. Zombie Monger
the Kuwait issue is not associated with America
Thanks Steve, I don't think I have heard this before. I googled on the text you quoted and found this url http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_andambassaprilglaspie22303.html and a few more http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html I don't know what to say. This makes me sick to my stomach. I guess one way of lookin at this is that U.S. played dirty and deceiving. U.S. is more or less the reason Iraq invaded Kuwait. I guess this is not told on Fox news.
the Kuwait issue is not associated with America
Thanks Steve, I don't think I have heard this before. I googled on the text you quoted and found this url http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_andambassaprilglaspie22303.html and a few more http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html I don't know what to say. This makes me sick to my stomach. I guess one way of lookin at this is that U.S. played dirty and deceiving. U.S. is more or less the reason Iraq invaded Kuwait. I guess this is not told on Fox news.
Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
Ken, Eh what? Yes I've heard a lot of the Soviet union, however I don't see what you meant by that comment here. What I was referring to was the winning powers' treatment of the Nazi war criminals after WWII, Nurnburg trials and so on. (Note the word trials here) I don't think I've ever heard that the Nazi prisoners where drugged, abused or otherwice tortured or mistreated and humiliated. Feel free to enlighten me on this.
President of Flies
US is currently run by thugs supported by the cheering consumer crowds that have been bred and conditioned to be infantile. So the situation is best evaluated in the Lord of Flies context. As long as masters are winning and have stronger army than anyone else, nothing will change. You will notice that they never engage army unless they have several orders of magnitude strength advantage. Which means that only small countries are in danger. There are two consequences of this: (a) there is no likely grouping of bigger entities to strike back - and that is the only response that will change US behavior. Until US is beaten and have suffered occupation and complete military defeat nothing much will change. This will eventually happen as history demonstrates that empires are not capable of sustained supremacy (due to the negative selection within among other factors - incidentally, the brain drain in the last 3-4 years have changed direction - this is the most significant metric.) But not any time soon. (b) smaller countries will strive to arm themselves with effective weaponry. The window for this is closing and in few years there will be two clearly defined clubs: untouchables and fair game. It looks that most of the arab world is heading for the fair game status and they are understandably unhappy with it. The main question is - will the income from newly and soon to be acquired colonies be sufficient to prevent confrontation between US and the rest of developed and armed world?
Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
After WWI the winners humiliated the loosers badly. This is one of the main reasons Hitler came to power and got support from the Germans for the aggressions that started the war. He managed to use these feelings of being treated as dogs and paying to heavy for the first war. Also they were very humiliated by the fact that France then occupied part of western Germany. After WWII the winners had learned their lesson from WWI pretty well. Now they did not humilate the people of Germany like after the first war. We got the Marshal plan and so on. Let's face it: not even the Nazi war criminals were treated in the way Saddam has been treated. Is this something U.S. should feel comfortable with then? Some people on this list seem to have these disturbing thoughts. It will backfire sooner or later I'm afraid. And then it may be our kids who pay the price.
Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
Ken, Eh what? Yes I've heard a lot of the Soviet union, however I don't see what you meant by that comment here. What I was referring to was the winning powers' treatment of the Nazi war criminals after WWII, Nurnburg trials and so on. (Note the word trials here) I don't think I've ever heard that the Nazi prisoners where drugged, abused or otherwice tortured or mistreated and humiliated. Feel free to enlighten me on this.
President of Flies
US is currently run by thugs supported by the cheering consumer crowds that have been bred and conditioned to be infantile. So the situation is best evaluated in the Lord of Flies context. As long as masters are winning and have stronger army than anyone else, nothing will change. You will notice that they never engage army unless they have several orders of magnitude strength advantage. Which means that only small countries are in danger. There are two consequences of this: (a) there is no likely grouping of bigger entities to strike back - and that is the only response that will change US behavior. Until US is beaten and have suffered occupation and complete military defeat nothing much will change. This will eventually happen as history demonstrates that empires are not capable of sustained supremacy (due to the negative selection within among other factors - incidentally, the brain drain in the last 3-4 years have changed direction - this is the most significant metric.) But not any time soon. (b) smaller countries will strive to arm themselves with effective weaponry. The window for this is closing and in few years there will be two clearly defined clubs: untouchables and fair game. It looks that most of the arab world is heading for the fair game status and they are understandably unhappy with it. The main question is - will the income from newly and soon to be acquired colonies be sufficient to prevent confrontation between US and the rest of developed and armed world?
Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
Tim, sorry it was unclear from my post whom I was referring to. It was James A. Donald. I did put his message id in a reply-to header. Jim Dixon wrote: Hitler, you mean? Or did you have Milosevic in mind? No what I meant was what IF somehow Bush or Blaire or some other high ranking coalition politician were captured by Iraq during the war and was treated in the same way. I can only presume you would support Saddam's soldiers checking Bush for lice then. You are also utterly missing the point and you are one pretty good example of how the mob are thinking. EVERYONE, including Saddam, Pol Pot or whattever should be treated in accordance with the laws by us who call ourselves the free democratic part of the world. Then they shall stand trial. A fair trial and being represented by lawyers. What would be more satisfying for the critics of U.S. than to see U.S. not being able to get its act together and instead conducting itself in a manner inconsistent with international law during this rather criticl phase of the Iraqi campaign. Mark my words, U.S. will be in regret later. Jim Dixon, you also wrote some half trouths on the subject of Palestinians and the support they received. You should read up on this subject. Saddam also has a history of building up edicational institutions and so on. He recived awards by U.N. earlier on for his wellfare programs and the development Iraq was gaining. Anyone can check this up, just call U.N. in NY and you'll receive a few references I'm sure. What I mean by this is not to defend him in any way but I feel that this rewriting of history and propaganda is serving noone in the long run. If you believe that 100% of the arab world in their harts and minds hate Saddam you're wring. Very wrong. Steve Schear: thanks for your interesting post! Some people need to learn more of that. I also noticed on the news that CIA was conducting the questioning of Saddam. (Did anyone expect anything else?!) I guess this also means that U.S. now will join all dicatators and awful beasts in performing various forms of abuse and torture on him. Iraq formally removed the death penalty just a few weeks ago. Regardless of what you feel about that in general, I think it's embarrasing once again to see U.S. almost lobbying against the Iraqis to have them not honouring their own laws to satisfy Bush on this specific issue! Remember there's only one reason for Bush wanting to see Saddam dead and that he does. And that is the fact that Saddam tried to kill my papa as Bush put it, I've seen it in interviews myself. Jim Dixon, going through your post again I see yet another half trough, you write The people on this list are less.. public humiliation and hanging of Americans.. And you seem to forget that U.S. was in bed with Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war era and that there was a friendly tone then. U.S. officials met with Iraqi, I think that Tareq Azis met with Reagan even? Your whole post is based on the feeling that we're gonna do what they did to us. In doing so you have manifested what has been written here about gasing into the abyss and so on. You have become what you hunt. Be ware. It is my opinion that we shall distinguish ourselves from these bastards by not committing their deeds ourselves. You seem not to agree on that. And that is a major mistake.
Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
Tim, sorry it was unclear from my post whom I was referring to. It was James A. Donald. I did put his message id in a reply-to header. Jim Dixon wrote: Hitler, you mean? Or did you have Milosevic in mind? No what I meant was what IF somehow Bush or Blaire or some other high ranking coalition politician were captured by Iraq during the war and was treated in the same way. I can only presume you would support Saddam's soldiers checking Bush for lice then. You are also utterly missing the point and you are one pretty good example of how the mob are thinking. EVERYONE, including Saddam, Pol Pot or whattever should be treated in accordance with the laws by us who call ourselves the free democratic part of the world. Then they shall stand trial. A fair trial and being represented by lawyers. What would be more satisfying for the critics of U.S. than to see U.S. not being able to get its act together and instead conducting itself in a manner inconsistent with international law during this rather criticl phase of the Iraqi campaign. Mark my words, U.S. will be in regret later. Jim Dixon, you also wrote some half trouths on the subject of Palestinians and the support they received. You should read up on this subject. Saddam also has a history of building up edicational institutions and so on. He recived awards by U.N. earlier on for his wellfare programs and the development Iraq was gaining. Anyone can check this up, just call U.N. in NY and you'll receive a few references I'm sure. What I mean by this is not to defend him in any way but I feel that this rewriting of history and propaganda is serving noone in the long run. If you believe that 100% of the arab world in their harts and minds hate Saddam you're wring. Very wrong. Steve Schear: thanks for your interesting post! Some people need to learn more of that. I also noticed on the news that CIA was conducting the questioning of Saddam. (Did anyone expect anything else?!) I guess this also means that U.S. now will join all dicatators and awful beasts in performing various forms of abuse and torture on him. Iraq formally removed the death penalty just a few weeks ago. Regardless of what you feel about that in general, I think it's embarrasing once again to see U.S. almost lobbying against the Iraqis to have them not honouring their own laws to satisfy Bush on this specific issue! Remember there's only one reason for Bush wanting to see Saddam dead and that he does. And that is the fact that Saddam tried to kill my papa as Bush put it, I've seen it in interviews myself. Jim Dixon, going through your post again I see yet another half trough, you write The people on this list are less.. public humiliation and hanging of Americans.. And you seem to forget that U.S. was in bed with Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war era and that there was a friendly tone then. U.S. officials met with Iraqi, I think that Tareq Azis met with Reagan even? Your whole post is based on the feeling that we're gonna do what they did to us. In doing so you have manifested what has been written here about gasing into the abyss and so on. You have become what you hunt. Be ware. It is my opinion that we shall distinguish ourselves from these bastards by not committing their deeds ourselves. You seem not to agree on that. And that is a major mistake.
Remailers and TLAs
Even though I agree this issue is important I wouldn't be surprised if NONE were run by TLAs today and NONE has ever been run by TLAs. We will never get any such answer and therefore these speculations will continue. Personally I think it sounds really stupid when I read comments like you can only trust remailers from pre 9/11 (these kinds of silly/stupid/dumb-paranoid comments are often seen on A.P.A-S). The reason being really that I think they are too stupid and perhaps doesn't really understand what good it would do them to actually operate a few. I may be wrong I guess. When thinking of these things I also remeber having read several comments by remops that actually have been visited by police. Both in U.S. and abroad. The feeling I got from reading their comments is that the police (in case of U.S. I think it was FBI who was inviolved) actually didn't even know what a remailer was. If (and this is a bif if) that is true in general amongst FBI agents I don't think th ere's a major risk of beeing flooded by TLA operated remailers any time soon. But who knows.
Remailers and TLAs
Even though I agree this issue is important I wouldn't be surprised if NONE were run by TLAs today and NONE has ever been run by TLAs. We will never get any such answer and therefore these speculations will continue. Personally I think it sounds really stupid when I read comments like you can only trust remailers from pre 9/11 (these kinds of silly/stupid/dumb-paranoid comments are often seen on A.P.A-S). The reason being really that I think they are too stupid and perhaps doesn't really understand what good it would do them to actually operate a few. I may be wrong I guess. When thinking of these things I also remeber having read several comments by remops that actually have been visited by police. Both in U.S. and abroad. The feeling I got from reading their comments is that the police (in case of U.S. I think it was FBI who was inviolved) actually didn't even know what a remailer was. If (and this is a bif if) that is true in general amongst FBI agents I don't think th ere's a major risk of beeing flooded by TLA operated remailers any time soon. But who knows.
Re: U.S. in violaton of Geneva convention?
This makes me a bit curious. Tell me, is your opinion then that the U.S. has done nothing questionable here? You don't feel that treating a former head of state (regardless of what you happen to think of that person) in this manner and videorecording it AND transmitting it to the entire globe violates the spirit of the convention? You feel this was the right thing to do? You would have no problem seing a U.S. or European leader being treated the same way? I think we do have to take into consideration too that a lot of people (I'm not saying it's the majority or anything but still a lot of people) in some arab countries like Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Saudi Arabia do have some sympathy with Saddam. This has nothing to do with supporting his crimes like the chemical warfare but more general the fact that he was a leader in the region who stood up against U.S. and Israel. Also the Palestinians received a lot of finansial help from Saddam. I don't know, but I have this feeling that just maybe this wasn't the most appropriate way to behave all things considered. This is a tense and volatile region as it is. I think we all should exercise caution and careful considerations and try to not humiliate the pride of the people in this region. Remember that in many cases this is almost all they have left. Just my 2c.
self adjusting dummy traffic generation?
Would it be possible to have a self adjusting dummy traffic generator feature in remailers? Operator decides that he wants to process x number of incoming and y number of outgoing messages each time period t. Then the software adjusts the number of dummy messages to this value using some statistical calculations of past t2 hours. If incoming traffic increases then the amount of dummy messages are decreasing and so on. Does this feature exist today?
self adjusting dummy traffic generation?
Would it be possible to have a self adjusting dummy traffic generator feature in remailers? Operator decides that he wants to process x number of incoming and y number of outgoing messages each time period t. Then the software adjusts the number of dummy messages to this value using some statistical calculations of past t2 hours. If incoming traffic increases then the amount of dummy messages are decreasing and so on. Does this feature exist today?
Fuck em to death
Death to the Oinks!
Fuck Them All Dead
Off All the Pigs!
Fuck Them Dead
Off the Pigs!
Fuck Them All Dead
Off All the Pigs!
Fuck em to death
Death to the Oinks!
Re: Zombie Patriots and other musings
Another excellent group of potential recruits are prisoners. Especially if you can create a new religious movement teaching them to stop the interracial, intergang fighting and concentrate on their true enemy, the Man. Teach that killing cops, soldiers, any type of government agent, is a holy act. Robbing banks is a holy act. Killing the guards in the prisons, killing the excutives of polluting industries -- all holy acts. Leaflets could be dropped from radio controlled balloons during yard time preaching the Word.
Re: Zombie Patriots and other musings
Nomen Nescio spake: Another excellent group of potential recruits are prisoners. Especially if you can create a new religious movement teaching them to stop the interracial, intergang fighting and concentrate on their true enemy, the Man. Teach that killing cops, soldiers, any type of government agent, is a holy act. Robbing banks is a holy act. Killing the guards in the prisons, killing the excutives of polluting industries -- all holy acts. Why robbing banks? Aside from allowing the government to regulate them, what have they done to deserve being robbed?
Re: Zombie Patriots and other musings
Another excellent group of potential recruits are prisoners. Especially if you can create a new religious movement teaching them to stop the interracial, intergang fighting and concentrate on their true enemy, the Man. Teach that killing cops, soldiers, any type of government agent, is a holy act. Robbing banks is a holy act. Killing the guards in the prisons, killing the excutives of polluting industries -- all holy acts. Leaflets could be dropped from radio controlled balloons during yard time preaching the Word.
Re: Zombie Patriots and other musings
Anonymous wrote: Nomen pondered: Why robbing banks? Aside from allowing the government to regulate them, what have they done to deserve being robbed Why not? Revolutionaries need money, and the financial sector has always been asshole buddies with the police, politicians, and other pigs. Retarded. Someone trying to frame Mr. Seaver by adopting his three-space paragraph lead-ins.
Re: cypherpunks discussions
I find it strange that some people here so often wants to intimidate those that dares to ask some questions. Eric put it very well in his post about dicksizewar. Very true indeed. I find it very *l*a*m*e* to all the time tell people to RTFM when something comes up that happened to be have been dealt with like five years ago.
Re: cypherpunks discussions
I find it strange that some people here so often wants to intimidate those that dares to ask some questions. Eric put it very well in his post about dicksizewar. Very true indeed. I find it very *l*a*m*e* to all the time tell people to RTFM when something comes up that happened to be have been dealt with like five years ago.
Re: e voting (receipts, votebuying, brinworld)
Cameras in the voting booth? Jesus Christ, you guys are morons. If you want to sell your vote, just vote absentee. The ward guy will even stamp and mail it for you. Happens every election.
Re: e voting (receipts, votebuying, brinworld)
Cameras in the voting booth? Jesus Christ, you guys are morons. If you want to sell your vote, just vote absentee. The ward guy will even stamp and mail it for you. Happens every election.
polygonal sequences
Hello I was trying to find some old references I used to have concerning an idea men tioned in sci.crypt way back. It was Phil Zimmermann I think who mentioned something about a possibly new idea for a new public key scheme. He called it The cryptographic uses of polygonal sequences and is found here I think: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=12044%40ncar.ucar.eduoe=UTF-8output=gplain thanks
Re: EFF Report on Trusted Computing
Just thought someone should take the trouble to rebut the anonymous pro-treacherous-computing rantings... I have heavily trimmed our anonymous ranters verbose writing style to keep just the bits I'm responding to (inline...) The EFF tries to distinguish between good and bad aspects of TC, but it does not draw the line in quite the right place, even given its somewhat questionable assumptions. Unsubstantiated claim: what incorrect assumptions did Schoen make? I did not see any. It fails to sufficiently emphasize the many positive uses of the full version of TC (and hence the costs of blocking its implementation), Schoen points out that TC can be broken out into desirable and undesirable features. If you omit the undesirable features, as he describes, you get the remaining desirable features. There is no loss from blocking the undesirable features. And the recommended fix to TC is not clearly described and as written appears to be somewhat contradictory. I see no contradition. More unsubstantiated claims. But let us begin with some positive elements of the EFF report. This is perhaps the first public, critical analysis of TC which fails to include two of the worst lies about the technology, lies promulgated primarily by Ross Anderson and Lucky Green: that only authorized programs can run trusted, and that unauthorized or illegal programs and data will be deleted from computers or prevented from running. They are not lying and you do your credibility no favors by making such unsubstantiated claims. You are just misconstruing the obvious meaning of their warnings: the features they describe (and plenty more and worse) are technically feasible with the TC hardware enforcement, and given microsoft's history of repeated dirty tricks campaigns in the areas of document format wars, reporting private information back home to microsoft, browser wars, interface wars, restrictive business practices regarding licensing it would be fool hardy in the extreme to not expect more of the same in the area of platform control based on Palladium. Of course _you_ are not wishing to admit or emphasize these points, but you can hardly get away with impugning the integrity of high reputation individuals like Prof Ross Anderson with such paltry mischaracterisation. Your arguments are crass and of the form: but the current microsoft PR documents don't admit that it could do that, nor of course that microsoft are planning to do that, so it's not fair for you to point that out and caution people about the kinds of things microsoft may be planning. Technology is criticized and discussed based on the potential and most likely inferred directions given microsoft's history and prior demonstration of interest to control various aspects of the software platform. The report also forthrightly rejects the claim that TC technology is some kind of trick to defeat Linux or lock-in computers to Microsoft operating systems, It's far from obvious that TC will have no part to play in the next few decades of open warfare against linux from microsoft. There are any number of ways to extend the existing dirty tricks regarding formats, protocols, licensing etc using the TC hardware enforcement. The EFF attempts to distinguish one feature of TC, remote attestation, as a source of problems. This is the ability of a computer user to convince other systems about what software he is running. The EFF is convinced that this feature will cause users to be compelled to use software not of their choice; harm interoperability and encourage lock-in; and support DRM and various restrictive kinds of licensing. Yes indeed and they are quite right. That is exactly the problem with remote attestation. But when we break these down in detail, many of the problems either go away or are not due to attestation. More unsubstantiated claims. This statement is both false and not backed up by any of your following text. Software choice limitation may occur if a remote system provides some service conditional on the software being used to access it. But that's not really a limitation of choice, because the user could always elect not to receive the offered service. This is really strange logic: you have a choice not to use a client because you don't have to use the service?!!? Of course it detracts from choice. Absent remote attestation things would be as they are today and users could modify existing clients, write their own clients, or obtain third party clients for any service. Removing _that_ choice is the problem. And it is a big and significant detraction from the current open nature of the internet. One that favors large companies such as microsoft with an interest to stifle innovation and competition. The implicit assumption here seems to be that if TC did not exist, the service would be offered without any limitations. Yes it would. It either wouldn't be offered or it would be offered without
Re: EFF Report on Trusted Computing
Just thought someone should take the trouble to rebut the anonymous pro-treacherous-computing rantings... I have heavily trimmed our anonymous ranters verbose writing style to keep just the bits I'm responding to (inline...) The EFF tries to distinguish between good and bad aspects of TC, but it does not draw the line in quite the right place, even given its somewhat questionable assumptions. Unsubstantiated claim: what incorrect assumptions did Schoen make? I did not see any. It fails to sufficiently emphasize the many positive uses of the full version of TC (and hence the costs of blocking its implementation), Schoen points out that TC can be broken out into desirable and undesirable features. If you omit the undesirable features, as he describes, you get the remaining desirable features. There is no loss from blocking the undesirable features. And the recommended fix to TC is not clearly described and as written appears to be somewhat contradictory. I see no contradition. More unsubstantiated claims. But let us begin with some positive elements of the EFF report. This is perhaps the first public, critical analysis of TC which fails to include two of the worst lies about the technology, lies promulgated primarily by Ross Anderson and Lucky Green: that only authorized programs can run trusted, and that unauthorized or illegal programs and data will be deleted from computers or prevented from running. They are not lying and you do your credibility no favors by making such unsubstantiated claims. You are just misconstruing the obvious meaning of their warnings: the features they describe (and plenty more and worse) are technically feasible with the TC hardware enforcement, and given microsoft's history of repeated dirty tricks campaigns in the areas of document format wars, reporting private information back home to microsoft, browser wars, interface wars, restrictive business practices regarding licensing it would be fool hardy in the extreme to not expect more of the same in the area of platform control based on Palladium. Of course _you_ are not wishing to admit or emphasize these points, but you can hardly get away with impugning the integrity of high reputation individuals like Prof Ross Anderson with such paltry mischaracterisation. Your arguments are crass and of the form: but the current microsoft PR documents don't admit that it could do that, nor of course that microsoft are planning to do that, so it's not fair for you to point that out and caution people about the kinds of things microsoft may be planning. Technology is criticized and discussed based on the potential and most likely inferred directions given microsoft's history and prior demonstration of interest to control various aspects of the software platform. The report also forthrightly rejects the claim that TC technology is some kind of trick to defeat Linux or lock-in computers to Microsoft operating systems, It's far from obvious that TC will have no part to play in the next few decades of open warfare against linux from microsoft. There are any number of ways to extend the existing dirty tricks regarding formats, protocols, licensing etc using the TC hardware enforcement. The EFF attempts to distinguish one feature of TC, remote attestation, as a source of problems. This is the ability of a computer user to convince other systems about what software he is running. The EFF is convinced that this feature will cause users to be compelled to use software not of their choice; harm interoperability and encourage lock-in; and support DRM and various restrictive kinds of licensing. Yes indeed and they are quite right. That is exactly the problem with remote attestation. But when we break these down in detail, many of the problems either go away or are not due to attestation. More unsubstantiated claims. This statement is both false and not backed up by any of your following text. Software choice limitation may occur if a remote system provides some service conditional on the software being used to access it. But that's not really a limitation of choice, because the user could always elect not to receive the offered service. This is really strange logic: you have a choice not to use a client because you don't have to use the service?!!? Of course it detracts from choice. Absent remote attestation things would be as they are today and users could modify existing clients, write their own clients, or obtain third party clients for any service. Removing _that_ choice is the problem. And it is a big and significant detraction from the current open nature of the internet. One that favors large companies such as microsoft with an interest to stifle innovation and competition. The implicit assumption here seems to be that if TC did not exist, the service would be offered without any limitations. Yes it would. It either wouldn't be offered or it would be offered without
Re: Dan Geer Fired (was re: Technology Firm With Ties to Microsoft Fir
The company I work for forbids its employees to discuss crypto issues in public forums like this one. That's why I only post anonymously. They have several concerns. One is the still-existent crypto export regulations which could be construed to forbid technical discussions of cryptography in public forums accessible to foreigners. Another is the danger that the employee might say something which could embarrass the company, such as admitting problems in the company's products. Employees may also find themselves talking to customers of the company and say things different from what the sales representatives are telling them, which leads to huge problems. There are actually many valid reasons to keep employees from talking publicly about technical issues in any field related to their employment. Add to this the many political and legal issues that are specific to cryptography and it is unsurprising that so many companies restrict what their employees can say, as a condition of employment. One thing I haven't heard in the Geer case is whether his employment contract did have such limitations. If not, he might conceivably have grounds for a wrongful termination suit, although even then the company could make a pretty good case that bad-mouthing one of the company's biggest customers is valid grounds for dismissal. It's also interesting that Geer claims in an interview [1] that he approached nine differrent academic researchers who refused to sign on to the report even though they agreed with its recommendations, because they were afraid of losing funding. I find this somewhat hard to believe, first because I don't agree with the conclusions of the report (although my analysis has been censored), and second because I don't think that Microsoft controls that much academic research funding. It's possible that Geer is exaggerating or that the researchers were not completely honest about the reasons for their lack of interest. [1] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1304620,00.asp
Re: Dan Geer Fired (was re: Technology Firm With Ties to Microsoft Fir
The company I work for forbids its employees to discuss crypto issues in public forums like this one. That's why I only post anonymously. They have several concerns. One is the still-existent crypto export regulations which could be construed to forbid technical discussions of cryptography in public forums accessible to foreigners. Another is the danger that the employee might say something which could embarrass the company, such as admitting problems in the company's products. Employees may also find themselves talking to customers of the company and say things different from what the sales representatives are telling them, which leads to huge problems. There are actually many valid reasons to keep employees from talking publicly about technical issues in any field related to their employment. Add to this the many political and legal issues that are specific to cryptography and it is unsurprising that so many companies restrict what their employees can say, as a condition of employment. One thing I haven't heard in the Geer case is whether his employment contract did have such limitations. If not, he might conceivably have grounds for a wrongful termination suit, although even then the company could make a pretty good case that bad-mouthing one of the company's biggest customers is valid grounds for dismissal. It's also interesting that Geer claims in an interview [1] that he approached nine differrent academic researchers who refused to sign on to the report even though they agreed with its recommendations, because they were afraid of losing funding. I find this somewhat hard to believe, first because I don't agree with the conclusions of the report (although my analysis has been censored), and second because I don't think that Microsoft controls that much academic research funding. It's possible that Geer is exaggerating or that the researchers were not completely honest about the reasons for their lack of interest. [1] http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1304620,00.asp
Cryptome: Torch Concepts threatening Cypherpunks
http://cryptome.org/jetblue-spy.htm The attorney for Torch Concepts has sent cease and desist letters to Bill Scannell and Len Sassaman for offering the Torch Concepts file, the smoking gun in the Jet Blue privacy violation scandal. The file is currently still available on Len Sassaman's website, as well as Cryptome.
Cryptome: Torch Concepts threatening Cypherpunks
http://cryptome.org/jetblue-spy.htm The attorney for Torch Concepts has sent cease and desist letters to Bill Scannell and Len Sassaman for offering the Torch Concepts file, the smoking gun in the Jet Blue privacy violation scandal. The file is currently still available on Len Sassaman's website, as well as Cryptome.
Re: Colored people and cripples
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:23:23 -0700, Cardenas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: once again, we can count on Tim May to contribute the least productive comment to this thread. Until you opened your trap of course.
Re: A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online
One point being overlooked here is digital versus physical anonymity. The funky ATM (what, does it smell or something?) will allow you to (among other things) stick in some cash and let someone else withdraw it using a password which you have sent him out of band (according to the patent - which I've actually read, more than anyone else here can say). This will allow for digital anonymity in the sense that there is no account information associated with the transaction. Now, it's true that ATMs take pictures of people, so you don't have full physical anonymity. But given the limited reliability of facial recognition systems, especially if you take simple precautions like wearing a hat and tilting your head down, you can have de facto very strong anonymity putting money into or taking it out of an ATM. The mere fact that it takes your picture doesn't mean that much. It's also true that the amount of cash that could be practically transfered in this way is limited to a few thousand dollars at most, given that the machines will probably only accept and dispense twenty dollar bills or equivalent. Nevertheless such payments would be a good start. The ability to pay or receive a few thousand dollars, untraceably, would enable a number of interesting applications involving freedom of speech and action. Writing custom software or providing sensitive information could be funded at these levels. The point which has been mostly overlooked is that this article was nothing but vapor, based on the issuance of a patent. There's a huge barrier between the idea and the implementation. A cash-transfer ATM would be a true boon to cypherpunk goals, but it is doubtful whether such a system will be allowed to exist in today's world.
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Re: Idea: The ultimate CD/DVD auditing tool
Tyler Durden leaves the fight club and writes: Do you have a reference? I don't remember reading that SACD was encrypted. What I DO remember is that the reason there's no standard SACD or DVD-A digital interface is because the Industry wants that digital interface to be encrypted. The detailed technical specs are apparently secret, but an overview of the multi-layered SACD copy protection is at http://www.sacd.philips.com/b2b/downloads/content_protection.pdf. If you don't like PDFs, most of the same information is at http://www.disctronics.co.uk/technology/dvdaudio/dvdaud_sacd.htm. Alan Clueless writes: Furthermore, people have come to expect that they should be able to play whatever disc shaped media in their computer. At some point there will need to be a software based player. Both of the documents above specifically deny that software based players will be allowed. I get the impression that the decryption will always be done in hardware, and if a PC is ever able to play one of these gadgets, it will be a Palladium system or something similar that can be locked down. Steve Shear writes: If you believe the article Myths and Misconceptions about Hardware Hacking, http://www.cptwg.org/Assets/Presentations/ARDG/ARDGHardware_hack05-28-03.pdf , recently posted to the Content Protection Technical Working Group, access to affordable commercial technology for reverse engineering has given hardware hackers the upper hand. That's mostly about how hardware hackers can use modern chips and custom PC boards without spending more than a few hundred dollars. Fine, but it's a long way from that to being able to pull an algorithm and/or device key out of a chip which has been designed to make that difficult.
anon news
Is there some way to read usenet anon, not with google, but with a linux news reader like tin? I'm sure I can use google with JAP fairly securely, but google's pretty slow.
Re: An attack on paypal -- secure UI for browsers
Joe Ashwood writes: From: Anonymous nobody_at_cryptofortress.com You clearly know virtually nothing about Palladium. I still stand by, Arbitrarily trusting anyone to write a secure program simply doesn't work regardless of how many times MS says trust us any substantially educated person should as well be prepared to either trust a preponderance of evidence, or perform their own examination, neither of these options is available. Apparently you neglected to read http://www.microsoft.com/resources/ngscb/NGSCB_Overview.mspx, where Microsoft says (as they have repeated many times) Customers and partners need reliable ways to ensure the quality of technology that addresses the critical needs met by NGSCB. That's why Microsoft will make available for public review the source code of the core piece of enabling software in NGSCB, called the 'nexus,' so it can be evaluated and validated by third parties for both security and privacy considerations. Therefore some educated person (obviously not you, at least not yet) will in fact be able to perform their own examination of the trusted part of the OS, since it will have its source code published for exactly this sort of review. The information available does not cover the technical information, in fact their Technical FAQ about it actually has the following: Q: Does this technology require an online connection to be used? A: No. That is just so enlightening, and is about as far from a useful answer as possible. Very few of the Technical FAQ answers are so brief. In this case, it is a stupid question and deserves a trivial answer. The only reason it is in there is because of the lies spread by Lucky Green and Ross Anderson, all about how Palladium will connect to a central server and refuse to let you work with your own documents, or delete files that Microsoft or the U.S. Government don't like. NCAs do not have complete access to private information. Quite the opposite. Rather, NCAs have the power to protect private information such that no other software on the machine can access it. They do so by using the Palladium software and hardware to encrypt the private data. The encryption is done in such a way that it is sealed to the particular NCA, and no other software is allowed to use the Palladium crypto hardware to decrypt it. This applies only under the condition that the software in Palladium is perfectly secure. Again I point to the issues with ActiveX, where a wide variety of hoels have been found, I point to the newest MS operating system which has it even been out a month yet? and already has a security patch available, in spite of their secure by default process. Again I don't believe this is because MS is inherently bad, it is because writing secure programs is extremely difficult, MS just has the most feature bloat so they have the most problems. Microsoft's legacy software is all extremely complex. Palladium is taking a different approach, aiming at simplicity and transparency. The Nexus, which is the micro-kernel for the trusted components (NCAs), will be published for review. Its tasks are relatively few and well defined, nothing like the massive Windows OS. That is what Microsoft has gained by architecting Palladium as they did, with the new trusted CPU mode, which allows side-by-side operating systems to run. On the left hand side (LHS) we find the legacy Windows OS and applications. On the right hand side (RHS) we find the Nexus acting as the OS, and the NCAs acting as the applications. The brilliance of Palladium is that the LHS can't touch the RHS, because of hardware protection. At one stroke, the new trusted mode is insulated from bugs in the Windows OS, device drivers and applications. It in effect allows the designers to start with a clean piece of paper and produce a simple micro-kernel (the Nexus) whose only job is to service the NCAs. This is a manageable task and, in conjunction with public review, there is good reason to hope and expect that the Nexus will be secure. If so then NCAs will indeed run in a mode where they are protected from other software components (including other NCAs). If the Palladium software is actually secure (unlikely), then there is the issue of how the (foolishly trusted) NCAs are determined to be the same, this is an easy problem to solve if no one ever added features, but a hard one to solve where the program evolves, once MS shows the solution for this, I will point to the same information and show you a security hole. Read the documents! Actually you claim you already read them, but obviously you are lying or you would know that this question has been answered. I wrote a long posting about this last month explaining how it worked. The mechanism is called a Manifest and is described in section 9 of http://www.microsoft.com/resources/ngscb/documents/ngscb_tcb.doc. You can either use a hash of the NCA
Re: An attack on paypal -- secure UI for browsers
Adam Lydick writes: I'd guess that no applications (besides the secure nexus) would have access to your list of doggie names, just the ability to display it. The list just indicates that you are seeing a window from one of your partitioned and verified applications. I would also assume the window would get decorated with the name of the trusted application (not just your secret list). Thus you only need a single secret list to handle all of your authorized applications. That makes sense. However it puts the burden onto the user to closely inspect his window frames in order to make sure that he is talking to the program (or NCA in Palladium) that he thinks he is talking to. It also introduces the problem of program-name spoofing; you might be given a dialog to enter your password for Paypa1 or E-Go1d. If users were that careful, we wouldn't have these kinds of problems in the first place.
Re: An attack on paypal -- secure UI for browsers
Tim Dierks wrote: - Get browser makers to design better ways to communicate to users that UI elements can be trusted. For example, a proposal I saw recently which would have the OS decorate the borders of trusted windows with facts or images that an attacker wouldn't be able to predict: the name of your dog, or whatever. (Sorry, can't locate a link right now, but I'd appreciate one.) It was none other than Microsoft's NGSCB, nee Palladium. See http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-1000584.html?tag=fd_top: NEW ORLEANS--Microsoft is trying to make security obvious. The software giant plans to visually alter document or application windows that contain private information that's secured through Microsoft's Next-Generation Secure Computing Base (NGSCB), formerly known as Palladium. Secure windows will look different than regular, unsecured windows in order to remind users that they are looking at confidential material, Peter Biddle, product unit manager for Microsoft, said Thursday at the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) here. ... The border of a secured page may contain information--such as the names of all the dogs that someone has ever owned--to make the data instantly recognizable as sound to the individual owner, as well as difficult to replicate. A hacker can create a spoof page with dogs' names running along the border but, in all likelihood, not one reading Buffy, Skip and Jack Daniels--and in that order, Biddle said. ... Information on secured windows will vanish if another window is placed on top of it or shifted to the background. Erasing the information will prevent certain types of attacks and remind people that they're dealing with confidential material, Biddle said. When the secure window returns to the top of the stack, the information will reappear, he said. I don't see how this is going to work. The concept seems to assume that there is a distinction between trusted and untrusted programs. But in the NGSCB architecture, Nexus Computing Agents (NCAs) can be written by anyone. If you've loaded a Trojan application onto your machine, it can create an NCA, which would presumably be eligible to put up a trusted window. So either you have to configure a different list of doggie names for every NCA (one for your banking program, one for Media Player, one for each online game you play, etc.), or else each NCA gets access to your Secret Master List of Doggie Names. The first possibility is unmanageable and the second means that the trustedness of the window is meaningless. So what good is this? What problem does it solve?
Re: Orwell's Victory goods come home
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:12:19 -0600, you wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2003 12:55 pm, Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:25:51 +, you wrote: So which American on the list is going to write to Congress to demand that the Statue of Liberty be sent back to France? Ken It really should go back to France, as the US seems to care less about liberty than when it received that gift, and France now has quite a profile of opposing foreign domination (from the US) over its policies and interests. So far as I can tell tell, the US approach to other nations is essentially shut up and do what we tell you to do if you love freedom. Americans tend to also forget that the French provided a lot of support for the colonies during the American Revolution. Without the fleet of Admiral Comte de Grasse at Yorktown, and the assistance of the Marquis de Lafayette, the revolution would have surely been lost and Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, Madison and the rest would have hanged at London Tower. Maybe we would be more accurate to consider our role for the French in WW1 and 2 to be in compensation for our freedom from the British.
Re: Revealed: US dirty tricks to win vote on Iraq war
http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,905899,00.html Revealed: US dirty tricks to win vote on Iraq war Secret document details American plan to bug phones and emails of key Security Council members Read the memo http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,905954,00.html The memo is directed at senior NSA officials and advises them that the agency is 'mounting a surge' aimed at gleaning information not only on how delegations on the Security Council will vote on any second resolution on Iraq, but also 'policies', 'negotiating positions', 'alliances' and 'dependencies' - the 'whole gamut of information that could give US policymakers an edge in obtaining results favourable to US goals or to head off surprises'. Dated 31 January 2003, the memo was circulated four days after the UN's chief weapons inspector Hans Blix produced his interim report on Iraqi compliance with UN resolution 1441. It was sent by Frank Koza, chief of staff in the 'Regional Targets' section of the NSA, which spies on countries that are viewed as strategically important for United States interests. Do you think Mr. Koza would answer questions about it? The pre- Total Information Awareness system seems to indicate he can be reached at 410-964-3814 in Columbia, MD, a 25 minute drive from Fort Meade. If he's encouraging tapping people's home phones, surely he can't object to a phone call simply asking for information. Learning more about this is clearly in the public interest. He should be given an opportunity to explain this disturbing news. Koza specifies that the information will be used for the US's 'QRC' - Quick Response Capability - 'against' the key delegations.
Re: From Bush's radio address
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:20:47 -0500, you wrote: on Saturday... It will be difficult to help freedom take hold in a country that has known three decades of dictatorship, secret police, internal divisions, and war. I *think* he's talking about Iraq. Maybe Kuwait? How is democracy and freedom faring there more than a decade after the first Iraq war? Can women vote there? No? Has there been an election, or it is still a hereditary dictatorship? Oh, the latter. I see... Maybe it wasn't about freedom and democracy? Maybe something else? The troops are generally too stupid and ill informed to notice this incongruity. They will just go and kill people on command, while getting teared up over the land of the free and the home of the brave. -Declan
