re: Aw: Re: [darktable-user] Base curve and white balance issue with DT 3.0
> Message du 16/01/20 01:26 > De : "Michael Fritze" > A : "User List Darktable" > Copie à : > Objet : Aw: Re: [darktable-user] Base curve and white balance issue with DT > 3.0 > > > > Jean-Luc, > > what you see is a combination of what your eyes detect and what your brain > processes from that. And the history of that. And a lot more. So your brain > is a kind of raw processor for your eyes. And a very good one. With some > weird limitations. > What you see is not a measurement. > What your camera sensor outputs is always modified and simplified. > What you see is always modified. > Please keep that in mind. > > > BR, Micha. > > PS: Not only your brain/eyes, mine too! :-) Hello Michael, Yes, I know how the brain works and can produce so wonderful images by stacking the crap the eyes produce. However, when a camera makes my skin redder than what it actually is, I do not agree. I do agree that people may prefer flashy colours than what they are. Many friends of mine, as they shoot weddings, for instance, process their already over-saturated jpegs so that the skin gets even more saturated. I do prefer more natural tints. I read a thread on github - among many others -, where a user shows pictures processed with darktable 2.6.x and 3.0.x, and complains that the ones from the later are not so accurate than the ones from the earlier, which he prefers. For almost all his samples, I found the ones from 3.0.x more natural than the ones from 2.6.x. But, once again, it is a matter of taste. And maybe I am too down-to-earth... Rgrds, J.-Luc darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Denoise Profiled SLOW ?
You could probably make darktable faster if you install a Linux distro such as Ubuntu and the Intel Neo OpenCL driver. Intel Neo is not available (compiled) for every distro. From my experience darktable is slower on Windows, even with OpenCL On 16.01.20 17:27, Christian wrote: Am 16.01.2020 um 14:45 schrieb Remco Viëtor: No real reason to doubt his values but... On 16.01.20 11:09, Christian wrote: Hi, can you confirm that the profiled-denoise is very slow with the default settings? My measurement (exporting 1 image): denoise off: 7.3 s raw denoise: 8.5 s denoise profiled default settings: 53 s (!) denoise profiled luma preset: 13.8 s OpenCL is disabled. How were those times measured, and how often were the measurements repeated? If those are total times for the development, another process using the disk at the wrong moment can throw off the timing. And some system processes do write to disk (logging). The difference between no denoise, raw denoise and luma preset are not surprising, the time for profiled denoise at default settings is. My computer is a several years old Intel Core i7 laptop with 16 GB Ram, SSD Disk, 4 cores, OS=Win10. I measured by hand starting from clicking on "export" until message "1 image has been exported" was displayed. The measurements have been reproducable. Chris darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Denoise Profiled SLOW ?
Hi, On a 16-megapixel Nikon raw, with a 12-year-old PC (Core2 Duo, 4 GB RAM), but with a current graphics card (NVidia 1660/6GB) and OpenCL, 'denoise (profiled)' at default settings: 299.756594 [dev_pixelpipe] took 2.312 secs (1.768 CPU) processed `denoise (profiled)' on GPU, blended on GPU [export] Of course the default settings depend on the ISO level, and some of them affect speed. BTW, are you aware of this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InsCJAPSdjI Also, the darktable Facebook group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/darktable/) has a couple of shared files, including one that's a saved chat (I think from the devs' IRC channel) that details recent denoising enhancements. Kofa darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Install on Ubuntu 19.10
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, at 10:42, Graham White wrote: > So, I haven't done much investigating, but one thing that might have gone > wrong is that the photo database has been trashed while updating to the new > schema. Can you elaborate on "trashed"? If there is actual db corruption which you can describe in detail, you should probably post an issue at github. FYI, there should be backups of the databases in your config folder, renamed with an appended version string, if you need to recover and didn't create backups yourself (which you really should do before updating). -- jys darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Install on Ubuntu 19.10
Am Donnerstag, den 16.01.2020, 18:42 + schrieb Graham White: > Hi. I tried installing the ubuntuhandbook version, on my Ubuntu > laptop > (not on my desktop > machine, which has all my photographs on it), with the following > results: > i) it asked me if I wanted to migrate the database to a different > schema, so I said yes (because I wasn't working on my main machine) That is normal if you already had a former DT version on the machine > ii) darktable started, but it was too wide to fit on the screen, and > the screen could not be resized, and not sure what happened here > iii) it couldn't find all of the photos that should have been there > (no great loss, which is why I did this > on my laptop. not sure what happened here > > So, I haven't done much investigating, but one thing that might have > gone wrong is that the photo > database has been trashed while updating to the new schema. > Also, it > installed darktable 3.0.0, which isn't > the current version. That is wrong. DT 3.0.0 IS the current released version. The new development version (slated to get v3.2 in Dec. 2020) is v3.1 > Any thoughts? > > Graham > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 9:48 AM Richard Hobday > wrote: > > On 16/01/2020 06:40, eric bruggeman wrote: > > > Is this something that can help? : > > > > > > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuhandbook1/+archive/ubuntu/darktable > > > > > > I use the one for 18.04, because I work with Linux Mint 19.3 and > > > this is > > > based on Ubuntu 18.04 > > > > > > Hope you can use this ppa. > > > > For Ubuntu users this ppa has the advantage that it installs > > 'darktable' > > to the same directory structure as Pascal's ppa. > > > > Whereas the offering from https://build.opensuse.org installs to > > /opt. > > Thus running the risk of overwriting any version compiled from Git. > > > > > Op 16/01/2020 om 06:25 schreef Remco Viëtor: > > > > On mercredi 15 janvier 2020 23:46:22 CET Patrick Shanahan > > > > wrote: > > > > (...) > > > > > https://www.darktable.org/install/ > > > > >Ubuntu 16.04, 18.04, 18.10, 19.04 > > > > > > > > > > does noone actually read the web pages ... > > > > Isn't that like reading the manual? > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > _ > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > _ > > > ___ > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > -- > > http://lukecarville.jalbum.net > > https://facebook.com/rlc.hobday > > ___ > > _ > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Install on Ubuntu 19.10
Hi. I tried installing the ubuntuhandbook version, on my Ubuntu laptop (not on my desktop machine, which has all my photographs on it), with the following results: i) it asked me if I wanted to migrate the database to a different schema, so I said yes (because I wasn't working on my main machine) ii) darktable started, but it was too wide to fit on the screen, and the screen could not be resized, and iii) it couldn't find all of the photos that should have been there (no great loss, which is why I did this on my laptop. So, I haven't done much investigating, but one thing that might have gone wrong is that the photo database has been trashed while updating to the new schema. Also, it installed darktable 3.0.0, which isn't the current version. Any thoughts? Graham On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 9:48 AM Richard Hobday wrote: > > On 16/01/2020 06:40, eric bruggeman wrote: > > Is this something that can help? : > > > > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuhandbook1/+archive/ubuntu/darktable > > > > I use the one for 18.04, because I work with Linux Mint 19.3 and this is > > based on Ubuntu 18.04 > > > > Hope you can use this ppa. > > For Ubuntu users this ppa has the advantage that it installs 'darktable' > to the same directory structure as Pascal's ppa. > > Whereas the offering from https://build.opensuse.org installs to /opt. > Thus running the risk of overwriting any version compiled from Git. > > > Op 16/01/2020 om 06:25 schreef Remco Viëtor: > >> On mercredi 15 janvier 2020 23:46:22 CET Patrick Shanahan wrote: > >> (...) > >>> https://www.darktable.org/install/ > >>>Ubuntu 16.04, 18.04, 18.10, 19.04 > >>> > >>> does noone actually read the web pages ... > >> Isn't that like reading the manual? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> darktable user mailing list > >> to unsubscribe send a mail to > >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > >> > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > -- > http://lukecarville.jalbum.net > https://facebook.com/rlc.hobday > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > -- Graham White London darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Install on Ubuntu 19.10
Hi, if I am not completely wrong, this oddly named "0" version actually installed for me via the PPA ( http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/graphics:/darktable/xUbuntu_19.10 ) the DT 3.0.0 ! I guess there currently is a naming issue in the build process for the repository pages, but actually installed was for me 3.0.0 ! Cheers, Martin Am Mittwoch, den 15.01.2020, 17:33 + schrieb Gonçalo Marrafa: > Hi all. > > I want to install DT 3.0 on Ubuntu 19.10 but I can't seem to find a > way to. I used to use Pascal's PPA but it seems to be deprecated in > favor of OBS. > > In OBS the version for Ubuntu 19.10 is 0 (zero) ?!? WTF!? > https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=graphics:darktable&package=darktable > > I'm not interested in installing the master git snapshot version and > just want the stable release version. > > Can anyone help on this please? > > Thanks in advance. > > Gonçalo Marrafa > > > > _ > ___ darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Install on Ubuntu 19.10
When you tried to install the Darktable 3.0 .deb package from the OBS site, how exactly did it fail? -- August Schwerdfeger aug...@schwerdfeger.name On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:29 AM Gonçalo Marrafa wrote: > I just want a way to install on 19.10 without building from source. I'm > not asking for support. I'm just following the instructions on DT's website > and there are links to binary packages for Ubuntu 19.10. Except those links > don't really have 19.10 compatible packages. That's all I'm saying... > > Gonçalo Marrafa > > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 14:09, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > >> * Gonçalo Marrafa [01-16-20 08:59]: >> > The web page refers to the distro packages AND "third party" packages ( >> > https://www.darktable.org/install/#3rdparty). I was just saying that, >> since >> > the install page explicitly mentions 19.10 support there should be >> packages >> > available. If not, then don't mention it and, instead, say that you >> should >> > build from source. >> > >> > Gonçalo Marrafa >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 13:22, Patrick Shanahan >> wrote: >> > >> > > * Gonçalo Marrafa [01-16-20 04:53]: >> > > > Patrick, >> > > > >> > > > In the web pages there is a reference to third party packages, wich >> > > > includes support for 19.10. If no support exists for 19.10 and you >> have >> > > to >> > > > build packages directly from source then, maybe, that should be >> mentioned >> > > > in the pages and not stated that support exists for 19.10. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Gonçalo Marrafa >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 22:46, Patrick Shanahan >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > * Gonçalo Marrafa [01-15-20 16:36]: >> > > > > > Ok but that would mean I have to build from source and what I >> would >> > > like >> > > > > > are prebuilt packages. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Gonçalo Marrafa >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 20:13 KOVÁCS István < >> k...@kovacs-telekes.org> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 18:35, Gonçalo Marrafa < >> > > > > goncalo.marr...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > I'm not interested in installing the master git snapshot >> version >> > > and >> > > > > > > just want the stable release version. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Note: you can get tagged versions from Github, not just code >> from >> > > the >> > > > > > > tip of the master branch. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > darktable user mailing list >> > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to >> > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > > darktable user mailing list >> > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to >> > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > https://www.darktable.org/install/ >> > > > > Ubuntu 16.04, 18.04, 18.10, 19.04 >> > > > > >> > > > > does noone actually read the web pages ... >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA >> > > @ptilopteri >> > > > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member >> > > facebook/ptilopteri >> > > > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet >> > > freenode >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> >> > > > > darktable user mailing list >> > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to >> > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > > darktable user mailing list >> > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to >> > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > > > >> > > >> > > Please show me packages that are not "3rd party"? dt dev's do NOT >> provide >> > > binary packages for distros. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA >> @ptilopteri >> > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member >> facebook/ptilopteri >> > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet >> freenode >> > > >> > > >> >> > > darktable user mailing list >> > > to unsubscribe send a mail to >> > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > darktable user mailing list >> > to unsubscribe send a mail to >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > >> >> >> but you are hanging on "support" and the dt dev's do not provide "support" >> for *any* binary packages. they do attempt to correct dt code when >> problems arise. >> >>
Re: [darktable-user] Denoise Profiled SLOW ?
You might have a look at https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/overview_chapter.html#darktable_commandline_parameters $ darktable -d perf This is a sample output:10,301655 [dev] took 0,321 secs (0,568 CPU) to load the image. 10,389857 [export] creating pixelpipe took 0,072 secs (0,135 CPU) 10,404834 [dev_pixelpipe] took 0,015 secs (0,024 CPU) initing base buffer [export] 10,419164 [dev_pixelpipe] took 0,014 secs (0,047 CPU) processed `raw black/white point' on CPU, blended on CPU [export] 10,437088 [dev_pixelpipe] took 0,018 secs (0,048 CPU) processed `white balance' on CPU, blended on CPU [export] 10,451010 [dev_pixelpipe] took 0,014 secs (0,037 CPU) processed `highlight reconstruction' on CPU, blended on CPU [export] 10,628594 [dev_pixelpipe] took 0,178 secs (0,543 CPU) processed `demosaic' on CPU, blended on CPU [export] 33,014288 [dev_pixelpipe] took 22,386 secs (82,689 CPU) processed `denoise (profiled)' on CPU, blended on CPU [export] 33,071194 [dev_pixelpipe] took 0,057 secs (0,159 CPU) processed `crop and rotate' on CPU, blended on CPU [export] 33,128005 [dev_pixelpipe] took 0,057 secs (0,207 CPU) processed `input color profile' on CPU, blended on CPU [export] 40,213757 [dev_pixelpipe] took 7,086 secs (25,217 CPU) processed `contrast equalizer' on CPU with tiling, blended on CPU [export] image colorspace transform Lab-->RGB took 0,058 secs (0,217 CPU) [filmicrgb ] 40,708607 [dev_pixelpipe] took 0,495 secs (1,944 CPU) processed `filmic rgb' on CPU, blended on CPU [export] 40,776768 [dev_pixelpipe] took 0,068 secs (0,265 CPU) processed `velvia' on CPU, blended on CPU [export] image colorspace transform RGB-->Lab took 0,079 secs (0,305 CPU) [colorout ] 40,955426 [dev_pixelpipe] took 0,179 secs (0,681 CPU) processed `output color profile' on CPU, blended on CPU [export] 41,115718 [dev_pixelpipe] took 0,160 secs (0,625 CPU) processed `scale into final size' on CPU, blended on CPU [export] 41,115740 [dev_process_export] pixel pipeline processing took 30,726 secs (112,487 CPU) [export_job] exported to `/home/benutzer/Bildarchiv/Export/mail/20200112_N853534_02.jpg' and yes - denoise profiled is by far the longest operation. -- regards Bernhard https://www.bilddateien.de Christian schrieb am 16.01.20 um 17:27: Am 16.01.2020 um 14:45 schrieb Remco Viëtor: No real reason to doubt his values but... On 16.01.20 11:09, Christian wrote: Hi, can you confirm that the profiled-denoise is very slow with the default settings? My measurement (exporting 1 image): denoise off: 7.3 s raw denoise: 8.5 s denoise profiled default settings: 53 s (!) denoise profiled luma preset: 13.8 s OpenCL is disabled. How were those times measured, and how often were the measurements repeated? If those are total times for the development, another process using the disk at the wrong moment can throw off the timing. And some system processes do write to disk (logging). The difference between no denoise, raw denoise and luma preset are not surprising, the time for profiled denoise at default settings is. My computer is a several years old Intel Core i7 laptop with 16 GB Ram, SSD Disk, 4 cores, OS=Win10. I measured by hand starting from clicking on "export" until message "1 image has been exported" was displayed. The measurements have been reproducable. Chris darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Denoise Profiled SLOW ?
Am 16.01.2020 um 14:45 schrieb Remco Viëtor: No real reason to doubt his values but... On 16.01.20 11:09, Christian wrote: Hi, can you confirm that the profiled-denoise is very slow with the default settings? My measurement (exporting 1 image): denoise off: 7.3 s raw denoise: 8.5 s denoise profiled default settings: 53 s (!) denoise profiled luma preset: 13.8 s OpenCL is disabled. How were those times measured, and how often were the measurements repeated? If those are total times for the development, another process using the disk at the wrong moment can throw off the timing. And some system processes do write to disk (logging). The difference between no denoise, raw denoise and luma preset are not surprising, the time for profiled denoise at default settings is. My computer is a several years old Intel Core i7 laptop with 16 GB Ram, SSD Disk, 4 cores, OS=Win10. I measured by hand starting from clicking on "export" until message "1 image has been exported" was displayed. The measurements have been reproducable. Chris darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Denoise Profiled SLOW ?
On jeudi 16 janvier 2020 13:59:30 CET Anna Simon wrote: > What kind of computer are you using? > > I can definitely confirm that denoise profiled non-local is slower that > denoise profiled luma/chroma preset. So the difference you have measured > is probably correct. > No real reason to doubt his values but... > On 16.01.20 11:09, Christian wrote: > > Hi, > > can you confirm that the profiled-denoise is very slow > > with the default settings? > > > > My measurement (exporting 1 image): > > > > denoise off: 7.3 s > > raw denoise: 8.5 s > > denoise profiled default settings: 53 s (!) > > denoise profiled luma preset: 13.8 s > > > > OpenCL is disabled. > How were those times measured, and how often were the measurements repeated? If those are total times for the development, another process using the disk at the wrong moment can throw off the timing. And some system processes do write to disk (logging). The difference between no denoise, raw denoise and luma preset are not surprising, the time for profiled denoise at default settings is. Remco darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Install on Ubuntu 19.10
I just want a way to install on 19.10 without building from source. I'm not asking for support. I'm just following the instructions on DT's website and there are links to binary packages for Ubuntu 19.10. Except those links don't really have 19.10 compatible packages. That's all I'm saying... Gonçalo Marrafa On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 14:09, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Gonçalo Marrafa [01-16-20 08:59]: > > The web page refers to the distro packages AND "third party" packages ( > > https://www.darktable.org/install/#3rdparty). I was just saying that, > since > > the install page explicitly mentions 19.10 support there should be > packages > > available. If not, then don't mention it and, instead, say that you > should > > build from source. > > > > Gonçalo Marrafa > > > > > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 13:22, Patrick Shanahan > wrote: > > > > > * Gonçalo Marrafa [01-16-20 04:53]: > > > > Patrick, > > > > > > > > In the web pages there is a reference to third party packages, wich > > > > includes support for 19.10. If no support exists for 19.10 and you > have > > > to > > > > build packages directly from source then, maybe, that should be > mentioned > > > > in the pages and not stated that support exists for 19.10. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gonçalo Marrafa > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 22:46, Patrick Shanahan > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > * Gonçalo Marrafa [01-15-20 16:36]: > > > > > > Ok but that would mean I have to build from source and what I > would > > > like > > > > > > are prebuilt packages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gonçalo Marrafa > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 20:13 KOVÁCS István < > k...@kovacs-telekes.org> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 18:35, Gonçalo Marrafa < > > > > > goncalo.marr...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm not interested in installing the master git snapshot > version > > > and > > > > > > > just want the stable release version. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: you can get tagged versions from Github, not just code > from > > > the > > > > > > > tip of the master branch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.darktable.org/install/ > > > > > Ubuntu 16.04, 18.04, 18.10, 19.04 > > > > > > > > > > does noone actually read the web pages ... > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA > > > @ptilopteri > > > > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member > > > facebook/ptilopteri > > > > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet > > > freenode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > Please show me packages that are not "3rd party"? dt dev's do NOT > provide > > > binary packages for distros. > > > > > > -- > > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA > @ptilopteri > > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member > facebook/ptilopteri > > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet > freenode > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > but you are hanging on "support" and the dt dev's do not provide "support" > for *any* binary packages. they do attempt to correct dt code when > problems arise. > > re: In the web pages there is a reference to third party packages, wich > includes support for 19.10. If no support exists for 19.10 and you > have to build packages directly from source then, maybe, that should > be mentioned in the pages and not stated that support exists for > 19.10. > > by your definition, if all packages are "3rd party",
Re: [darktable-user] Install on Ubuntu 19.10
* Gonçalo Marrafa [01-16-20 08:59]: > The web page refers to the distro packages AND "third party" packages ( > https://www.darktable.org/install/#3rdparty). I was just saying that, since > the install page explicitly mentions 19.10 support there should be packages > available. If not, then don't mention it and, instead, say that you should > build from source. > > Gonçalo Marrafa > > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 13:22, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > * Gonçalo Marrafa [01-16-20 04:53]: > > > Patrick, > > > > > > In the web pages there is a reference to third party packages, wich > > > includes support for 19.10. If no support exists for 19.10 and you have > > to > > > build packages directly from source then, maybe, that should be mentioned > > > in the pages and not stated that support exists for 19.10. > > > > > > > > > Gonçalo Marrafa > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 22:46, Patrick Shanahan > > wrote: > > > > > > > * Gonçalo Marrafa [01-15-20 16:36]: > > > > > Ok but that would mean I have to build from source and what I would > > like > > > > > are prebuilt packages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gonçalo Marrafa > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 20:13 KOVÁCS István > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 18:35, Gonçalo Marrafa < > > > > goncalo.marr...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I'm not interested in installing the master git snapshot version > > and > > > > > > just want the stable release version. > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: you can get tagged versions from Github, not just code from > > the > > > > > > tip of the master branch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.darktable.org/install/ > > > > Ubuntu 16.04, 18.04, 18.10, 19.04 > > > > > > > > does noone actually read the web pages ... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA > > @ptilopteri > > > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member > > facebook/ptilopteri > > > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet > > freenode > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > Please show me packages that are not "3rd party"? dt dev's do NOT provide > > binary packages for distros. > > > > -- > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > but you are hanging on "support" and the dt dev's do not provide "support" for *any* binary packages. they do attempt to correct dt code when problems arise. re: In the web pages there is a reference to third party packages, wich includes support for 19.10. If no support exists for 19.10 and you have to build packages directly from source then, maybe, that should be mentioned in the pages and not stated that support exists for 19.10. by your definition, if all packages are "3rd party", there is no support for any package. should the word "support" be stricken from the web pages? packages being available by anyone precludes the requirement to "build packages directly". the OP indicated preference for binary packages rather than building and I provided that. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@
Re: [darktable-user] Install on Ubuntu 19.10
The web page refers to the distro packages AND "third party" packages ( https://www.darktable.org/install/#3rdparty). I was just saying that, since the install page explicitly mentions 19.10 support there should be packages available. If not, then don't mention it and, instead, say that you should build from source. Gonçalo Marrafa On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 13:22, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Gonçalo Marrafa [01-16-20 04:53]: > > Patrick, > > > > In the web pages there is a reference to third party packages, wich > > includes support for 19.10. If no support exists for 19.10 and you have > to > > build packages directly from source then, maybe, that should be mentioned > > in the pages and not stated that support exists for 19.10. > > > > > > Gonçalo Marrafa > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 22:46, Patrick Shanahan > wrote: > > > > > * Gonçalo Marrafa [01-15-20 16:36]: > > > > Ok but that would mean I have to build from source and what I would > like > > > > are prebuilt packages. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gonçalo Marrafa > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 20:13 KOVÁCS István > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 18:35, Gonçalo Marrafa < > > > goncalo.marr...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I'm not interested in installing the master git snapshot version > and > > > > > just want the stable release version. > > > > > > > > > > Note: you can get tagged versions from Github, not just code from > the > > > > > tip of the master branch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.darktable.org/install/ > > > Ubuntu 16.04, 18.04, 18.10, 19.04 > > > > > > does noone actually read the web pages ... > > > > > > -- > > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA > @ptilopteri > > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Member > facebook/ptilopteri > > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet > freenode > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > Please show me packages that are not "3rd party"? dt dev's do NOT provide > binary packages for distros. > > -- > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Install on Ubuntu 19.10
* Gonçalo Marrafa [01-16-20 04:53]: > Patrick, > > In the web pages there is a reference to third party packages, wich > includes support for 19.10. If no support exists for 19.10 and you have to > build packages directly from source then, maybe, that should be mentioned > in the pages and not stated that support exists for 19.10. > > > Gonçalo Marrafa > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 22:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > * Gonçalo Marrafa [01-15-20 16:36]: > > > Ok but that would mean I have to build from source and what I would like > > > are prebuilt packages. > > > > > > > > > Gonçalo Marrafa > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 20:13 KOVÁCS István > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 18:35, Gonçalo Marrafa < > > goncalo.marr...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > I'm not interested in installing the master git snapshot version and > > > > just want the stable release version. > > > > > > > > Note: you can get tagged versions from Github, not just code from the > > > > tip of the master branch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > https://www.darktable.org/install/ > > Ubuntu 16.04, 18.04, 18.10, 19.04 > > > > does noone actually read the web pages ... > > > > -- > > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > Please show me packages that are not "3rd party"? dt dev's do NOT provide binary packages for distros. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Denoise Profiled SLOW ?
What kind of computer are you using? I can definitely confirm that denoise profiled non-local is slower that denoise profiled luma/chroma preset. So the difference you have measured is probably correct. On 16.01.20 11:09, Christian wrote: Hi, can you confirm that the profiled-denoise is very slow with the default settings? My measurement (exporting 1 image): denoise off: 7.3 s raw denoise: 8.5 s denoise profiled default settings: 53 s (!) denoise profiled luma preset: 13.8 s OpenCL is disabled. Greetings Chris darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
RE: [darktable-user] Denoise Profiled SLOW ?
Hi all,I don't have any heavy lifting GPUs, but in DT 3.0 I find denoise works fast, Athlon something, 24Gb RAM.AndrewSent from Samsung tablet. Original message From: Christian Date: 16/1/20 9:13 pm (GMT+10:00) To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org Subject: [darktable-user] Denoise Profiled SLOW ? Hi,can you confirm that the profiled-denoise is very slowwith the default settings?My measurement (exporting 1 image):denoise off: 7.3 sraw denoise: 8.5 sdenoise profiled default settings: 53 s (!)denoise profiled luma preset: 13.8 sOpenCL is disabled.GreetingsChrisdarktable user mailing listto unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.or
[darktable-user] Denoise Profiled SLOW ?
Hi, can you confirm that the profiled-denoise is very slow with the default settings? My measurement (exporting 1 image): denoise off: 7.3 s raw denoise: 8.5 s denoise profiled default settings: 53 s (!) denoise profiled luma preset: 13.8 s OpenCL is disabled. Greetings Chris darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Install on Ubuntu 19.10
Patrick, In the web pages there is a reference to third party packages, wich includes support for 19.10. If no support exists for 19.10 and you have to build packages directly from source then, maybe, that should be mentioned in the pages and not stated that support exists for 19.10. Gonçalo Marrafa On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 22:46, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Gonçalo Marrafa [01-15-20 16:36]: > > Ok but that would mean I have to build from source and what I would like > > are prebuilt packages. > > > > > > Gonçalo Marrafa > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 20:13 KOVÁCS István > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 18:35, Gonçalo Marrafa < > goncalo.marr...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > I'm not interested in installing the master git snapshot version and > > > just want the stable release version. > > > > > > Note: you can get tagged versions from Github, not just code from the > > > tip of the master branch. > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > https://www.darktable.org/install/ > Ubuntu 16.04, 18.04, 18.10, 19.04 > > does noone actually read the web pages ... > > -- > (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri > http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri > Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Install on Ubuntu 19.10
On 16/01/2020 06:40, eric bruggeman wrote: Is this something that can help? : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuhandbook1/+archive/ubuntu/darktable I use the one for 18.04, because I work with Linux Mint 19.3 and this is based on Ubuntu 18.04 Hope you can use this ppa. For Ubuntu users this ppa has the advantage that it installs 'darktable' to the same directory structure as Pascal's ppa. Whereas the offering from https://build.opensuse.org installs to /opt. Thus running the risk of overwriting any version compiled from Git. Op 16/01/2020 om 06:25 schreef Remco Viëtor: On mercredi 15 janvier 2020 23:46:22 CET Patrick Shanahan wrote: (...) https://www.darktable.org/install/ Ubuntu 16.04, 18.04, 18.10, 19.04 does noone actually read the web pages ... Isn't that like reading the manual? darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org -- http://lukecarville.jalbum.net https://facebook.com/rlc.hobday darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
