RE: running php script from withing file to get variables
Let me clarify (at the risk of going up in flames) prior to ending the thread. The client in question has 3 "developers" who toute thier knowledge of ASP, and are esentially using Ftontpage and other MS based apps to deliver thier web based solution. For some reason they have an inkling of PHP, and the customer was convinced to place the site on a FreeBSD/Apache platform. The PHP was enough for them to chew on without going into the bowels of shell and Perl programming. They wish to have thier "developers" manage the solution after the fact, and as such have to keep them in mind when providing the solution. I would assume from hearing these individuals talk that what is being taught these days is the wonders of ASP, Flash and other "glitz and glamour" which they assume makes a good developer... perhaps a web developer, but IMO that term is being applied to every idiot with a copy of Frontpage. My place is to provide the solution the customer wants, and bill accordingly, not preach to them on the quality of thier staff or thier hiring process. The statement did require clarification, I am not saying Perl is dead (no more than I am saying shell scripting is dead), more in referring to the focus of new individuals into the field. In closure, I redesigned the entire module using Perl:DBI and commented the crap out of it. Anyone with a good understanding of english can reasonably hack at it to get the desired results. Cheers. Dave >-Original Message- >From: Sterin, Ilya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:27 AM >To: 'Curt Russell Crandall '; 'Dave VanAuken ' >Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' >Subject: RE: running php script from withing file to get variables > > >>like it or not, not many do the Perl thing any more > >Who are you refering to by **many**. You have statistics? >Perl powers more >web sites/servers than any other language. You just don't >hear about it as >much since it's an open source technology and they don't >have the money, >will, and reason to advertise it in commercial magazines and >tv commercials. >I can't disclose, but I work for one of the "Big Three", >(for those who >don't know Ford/GM/Chrysler) and over 90 percent of all intranet >applications (and there are thousands) and internet >applications are written >in Perl. Java does not even account for 1% of all >development. See way >more .cgi scripts all over the web then .php3|4, .jsp, .asp, etc... > >Ilya Sterin > > >-Original Message- >From: Curt Russell Crandall >To: Dave VanAuken >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 05/11/2001 8:53 AM >Subject: RE: running php script from withing file to get variables > >> >> 2) documentation (saves me explaining PHP AND Perl:DBI in the >> emergency documentation should I keel over and die >tomorrow and take >> the Perl:DBI knowledge with me. like it or not, not many >do the Perl >> thing any more) >> > >Huh? Are you just talking about at your own shop... I know very few >people who write PHP any longer and far many more who still >"do the Perl >thing", personally. >I totally agree with Brett, I would just write it all in >Perl and forget >about mixing the 2 languages... unless of course someone over you >dictates >something else. > >
RE: running php script from withing file to get variables
>like it or not, not many do the Perl thing any more Who are you refering to by **many**. You have statistics? Perl powers more web sites/servers than any other language. You just don't hear about it as much since it's an open source technology and they don't have the money, will, and reason to advertise it in commercial magazines and tv commercials. I can't disclose, but I work for one of the "Big Three", (for those who don't know Ford/GM/Chrysler) and over 90 percent of all intranet applications (and there are thousands) and internet applications are written in Perl. Java does not even account for 1% of all development. See way more .cgi scripts all over the web then .php3|4, .jsp, .asp, etc... Ilya Sterin -Original Message- From: Curt Russell Crandall To: Dave VanAuken Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05/11/2001 8:53 AM Subject: RE: running php script from withing file to get variables > > 2) documentation (saves me explaining PHP AND Perl:DBI in the > emergency documentation should I keel over and die tomorrow and take > the Perl:DBI knowledge with me. like it or not, not many do the Perl > thing any more) > Huh? Are you just talking about at your own shop... I know very few people who write PHP any longer and far many more who still "do the Perl thing", personally. I totally agree with Brett, I would just write it all in Perl and forget about mixing the 2 languages... unless of course someone over you dictates something else.
RE: running php script from withing file to get variables
> > 2) documentation (saves me explaining PHP AND Perl:DBI in the > emergency documentation should I keel over and die tomorrow and take > the Perl:DBI knowledge with me. like it or not, not many do the Perl > thing any more) > Huh? Are you just talking about at your own shop... I know very few people who write PHP any longer and far many more who still "do the Perl thing", personally. I totally agree with Brett, I would just write it all in Perl and forget about mixing the 2 languages... unless of course someone over you dictates something else.
RE: running php script from withing file to get variables
couple of reasons: 1) continuity (this is the only interaction of the remainder of the development with Perl scripts) 2) documentation (saves me explaining PHP AND Perl:DBI in the emergency documentation should I keel over and die tomorrow and take the Perl:DBI knowledge with me. like it or not, not many do the Perl thing any more) 3) time (rather lengthy bit of code, of which only a portion is entwined in this task... reqriting into Perl:DBI for the whole shebang is doable, but would involve duplicating portions of code, or ripping code out of a stable set of script... prefer to use the existing code) 4) reusability (a solution along this line may be used again, and would make a nice addition to the "solutions" pile should the need arise again... as remote as that may be) If it is not deoable (with relatively little difficulty) then you are correct, recoding the DBI interaction and the other portions of the script is the only solution. thanks Dave >-Original Message- >From: Brett W. McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:10 PM >To: Dave VanAuken >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: running php script from withing file to get variables > > >On Thu, 10 May 2001, Dave VanAuken wrote: > >> Radius authentication scenario... radius polls out to a >perl script >> which checks against the postgres database for authentic >> information... >> >> we need to do an additional call out to a PHP file >(sending it args if >> it cannot read the env[] args) and have its "text" output >parsed into >> a variable... >> >> this will allow the perl script to determine if the DBI information >> and the PHP script information create a Success or Failure >code which >> can be passed back to the radius program in the form of an >> exit $ret; >> normally I would say just pump it all into the PHP script >and run it >> as a shell script, but the radius daemon is waiting for an >exit code >> to be passed after the perl script completes, and PHP >cannot do that, >> thus the perl DBI solution. > >Why not just rewrite the PHP script as Perl? Is it a web page? > >-- Brett > http://www.chapelperilous.net/btfwk/ -- -- Elevators smell different to midgets.
Re: running php script from withing file to get variables
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Dave VanAuken wrote: > Radius authentication scenario... radius polls out to a perl script > which checks against the postgres database for authentic > information... > > we need to do an additional call out to a PHP file (sending it args if > it cannot read the env[] args) and have its "text" output parsed into > a variable... > > this will allow the perl script to determine if the DBI information > and the PHP script information create a Success or Failure code which > can be passed back to the radius program in the form of an > exit $ret; > normally I would say just pump it all into the PHP script and run it > as a shell script, but the radius daemon is waiting for an exit code > to be passed after the perl script completes, and PHP cannot do that, > thus the perl DBI solution. Why not just rewrite the PHP script as Perl? Is it a web page? -- Brett http://www.chapelperilous.net/btfwk/ Elevators smell different to midgets.
