Re: DebConf24 Logo Contest
Hello Woohee, Woohee Yang dijo [Tue, Jan 09, 2024 at 11:32:38PM +0900]: > Hello, Debianities, > > We're starting to open a logo contest for DebConf24 in Busan, South Korea. > (...) > > [1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/24/Artwork/LogoProposals I have no graphic design skills to speak of, but I applaud the many proposals you have already sent --- and hope to see many others! I think it is important, though, to understand the items you are choosing to be part of your proposals. I see a recurring theme are: - Red + blue colors (I suppose, related to the national flag) - Several of your proposals include also a very distinctive yellow. Does that yellow have a meaning as well, or is it just that it made aesthetic sense? - Hanging bridge (Gwangan Bridge?) (is that bridge also what is depicted in logo option "D"? - Bird (seagull?), I suppose highlighting that Busan is a city by the sea. Although I find this worth asking -- Most Korean cities seem to be very much coastal (or almost coastal). Is this identification related to Busan being on the South-Easternmost tip of the country? Is Busan "more" of a port city than others in the country? Anyway, kudos for your work! Hope to see others joining in.
Re: Call for bids for DebConf24
Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana dijo [Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 12:57:51PM -0300]: > Hi, > > Probably this isn't a popular opinion, but If you're thinking to host > DebConf24, I suggest you don't organize 2 weeks of event (DebCamp + > DebConf). > > Considering the shorter time, If I was you, I wouldn't organize DebCamp. > DebCamp is nice, it's great to have people earlier, but it's too much work > before the main event. > (...) I see others have answered as well. I haven't read the whole thread, but I agree with Stefano. Organizing two weeks of conference is usually helpful for us as organizers; things are slowly building up, and we get some sort of "advance notice" if something needs urgent fixing before The Day Everybody Arrives. Plus, important for a community as ours, the first week is a social buffer, where you can focus on reconnecting with colleagues, taking it easier. Of course, all opinions are valid, and you are a recent local DebConf organizer after all. Some people feel that a whole week of DebCamp is too much, and it feels like paid vacation for some people. For DC14, we tried a model that interleaved "hacking mornings" or "hacking evenings" throughout the schedule, but started into the conference right away. It was helped by the fact we ran it on a very decently wired university setting. It was, of course, successful --- but I think many people did end up missing our usual structure. Anyway, bidders of course can offer whatever they prefer, and your opinion is –again– valid and useful input if some team wants to take it. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Call for bids for DebConf24
Tiago Bortoletto Vaz dijo [Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 07:43:59AM -0400]: > Sruthi, you and the local team did an impressive work on DC23. And everytime I > looked at you people, you had a peaceful expression and a smile on your face, > regardless of the circumstances. In my silent observation, I learned a lot > from you. I was not in Kochi during DebConf, but was there in January/February. I can perfectly relate to and subscribe what you said. It is one of the most cohesive and loving groups I have had the privilege to work with! > That said, I'd strongly support your remote help for DC24, or a nomination > to DC committee, or who knows, a DPL run :-) Oh, Sruthi is actually one of the six people in Debian that are disqualified to be nominated for the DC committee
Re: Power supplies and sockets
Mohd Bilal dijo [Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 05:00:47AM +0530]: > > I'm aware that India uses three standards, types C D and M. Are all three > > in common use across the country, or do some regions use each one? > > Generally, Type C and Type D plugs are more common. > > > Are the triple-standard sockets seen in > > https://people.debian.org/~gwolf/DC23_Kochi/IMG_1318.JPG common? Which do > > the conference venue and accomodation provide? > > These are not as commons as the standard sockets specific to each type. But > you may find them in hotels, airports, and some tourist destinations or > major cities. Our accommodation mostly has these triple standard sockets. > I'm sure about the main venue (Infopark) someone else from the local team > could clarify this You will find (almost?) exclusively this kind of sockets in the hotel, which is good news for all foreign travellers. I don't recall whether it was also the case for Infopark (the main auditorium will be there, ~5min away from the hotel), but in all of the rooms, auditoriums and public places in the Four Points Sheraton, this is the only kind of socket I saw.
Re: Fwd: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender deny by debconf.org
xiao sheng wen(肖盛文) dijo [Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 08:53:53AM +0800]: > Hi, > > The debconf.org mail server v.gwolf.org deny my email atzli...@sina.com. > I use this email send to debian mail list is not problem. > > IMHO, v.gwolf.org should update the SPF. > > Is there one in visa team had receive my passport info in my last email? > > Could you give me the other emaill address to send my passport info? Sorry, my SPF setup has generated quite a bit of extra noise/friction. Please be assured the mail did reach -- I am just one of the visa alias recipients (and by far, not the most important one!) ... And I just don't currently have time for fiddling more with SPF :-\ Greetings,
Re: Vaccinations
Enrico Zini dijo [Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 01:31:31PM +0200]: > Ok, I edited the wiki page with the information that I have, and the > result definitely needs editing. Too many things are listed that are > likely not relevant for the conference, and the list as it is would only > cause unneeded alarm. > > I neither have the local information nor the medial expertise needed to > judge which of those can be taken out and in what conditions. Hi, I can only provide anecdotal evidence, and for that matter, anecdotal evidence of a different time of the year. But still, it's the anecdotal evidence of a tourist that spent a week in South India this year. In late January, Tzafrir, Nattie and I went to India. We attended a miniDebConf in a small city in Tamil Nadu (state bordering Kerala to the East) and did a pre-conference visit in Kochi. We didn't strictly eat "street food", but we ate at the small university cafeteria at miniDebConf, had lunch at a couple of smaller roadside restaurants, and were pampered with tourist-level places in Kochi (but still kept eating deliciously while there!) As far as I can tell, neither of us had preparative vaccinations of any kind. We all came back to our countries with no ill stomachs or otherwise sick. Mosquitos? Yes, there are many many. Many people will get concerned when they find out that many (most? all?) streetwalks are planks of cement that cover a sewage canal; mosquitos are quite abundant (and we were there in the dry season!), and staying long in the street guarantees you will get some bites in the legs; most of those mosquitos don't fly high (my arms were not as inviting to the buggers, at least, and when we weren't in the streets, I didn't feel them). I mention the mosquitos because of the many well-known mosquito-borne diseases. Should you vaccinate? Not for me to tell. I can only tell you my experience was quite good, health-wise. And no, it's not because January is very cold --- Kochi is 9°N only, so the temperature variation between seasons is basically nonexistent¹, although the rain patterns do differ a lot. Please enjoy DebConf in India for me! ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kochi#Climate signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Your personalized DC22 Key Signing Party Map is now available!
Dashamir Hoxha dijo [Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 10:24:48AM +0200]: > > always hold our continuou key signing party. The listing for this > > year's KSP is now available at: > > > > https://people.debian.org/~gwolf/dc22_ksp/dc22_fprs.txt > > > > Please download that file, check the sha256 and ripemd160 sums, print > > it out, and be ready for some CoC-abiding, fingerprint exchange action! > > It seems that there are printers at the venue. > Does it make sense if the organizers of the conference print a few copies > of the list, and the interested people go and get a copy? Of course!
Re: Your personalized DC22 Key Signing Party Map is now available!
Kurt Roeckx dijo [Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 09:54:32AM +0200]: > > My reports show that many of you are already enjoying the Balkans in > > Prizren, and I am very very jealous! It's just a couple more days > > until I pack myself together with the rest of the > > very-small-form-of-cattle and cross the Atlantic to get to Europe and > > spend some days there... > > > > Anyway, back to being on-topic: During in-person DebConf events, we > > always hold our continuou key signing party. The listing for this > > year's KSP is now available at: > > > > https://people.debian.org/~gwolf/dc22_ksp/dc22_fprs.txt > > The page says the sha256 sum is: > 612859dc712a92e4a9adea031cf0d308bb982cf362dc7594c0a368ede03a0f46 > > But I get: > 3e9cee1ad2eac8bd324522e11d78c2a5ec6cf28eca945e628e96d1e223010a0f > > It would be nice that there was a signed version of the file available. You are completely right. I am updating the page with the correct sha256 sum. I don't know wher I got the wrong one from :-\ It was too late when I finished last night. I'm leaving the mistaken "debconf19-ksp.txt" in the instructions, as I don't want to introduce more noise into the equation.
Re: Your personalized DC22 Key Signing Party Map is now available!
> Anyway, back to being on-topic: During in-person DebConf events, we > always hold our continuou key signing party. The listing for this > year's KSP is now available at: > > https://people.debian.org/~gwolf/dc22_ksp/dc22_fprs.txt > > Please download that file, check the sha256 and ripemd160 sums, print > it out, and be ready for some CoC-abiding, fingerprint exchange action! > > But, out of all those people... Whom should you be approaching? I have > prepared for you the following personalized keysigning maps: > > https://people.debian.org/~gwolf/dc22_ksp/ > > Find yourself in the listing, and go either to the SVG file > (graphical) or to the text version. In both, you will find: Oh, before this explodes in front of me: There are 12 keys in the first listing that I was not able to locate to include in the second page. Please excuse me if you are left out from the map! You can still particpate in the KSP, but make sure your key is available for the other participants to download. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: DebConf22: Call for keys for keysigning in Prizren, Kosovo
Dashamir Hoxha dijo [Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 05:39:53AM +0200]: > I'd suggest that we try a keysigning party without keyservers this > time. It should not be very difficult. The issue is not whether the > keyservers will be up during the conference or not, rather it is > that the keyserver model seems to be broken and should be > avoided/abandoned. About the WKD, if it does not support well > keysigning and WoT, maybe it should be improved to support them. > The ideal solution, in my opinion, would be to start using > self-sovereign identity, but we are not there yet. We have different viewpoints :-) While you say the keyserver model is broken beyond any repair, I stand by the opinion that it can be fixed, and that it brings enough value by itself that it deserves being fixed. There are many proposals to get keyservers back to a healthy state, each with its different core propositions. I (as the keysigning organizer) will suggest people to use keyservers. Of course, everybody is able to do it whichever way they see fit ;-)
Re: DebConf22: Call for keys for keysigning in Prizren, Kosovo
Altin Guberi dijo [Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 08:40:35PM +0200]: > Hello, > > Thanks for your response. > > Is the PGP key mandatory like to be completed before the conference ? > Or it is also possible to do it while I am at the activity? If you want to get connected to the Debian "crowd" of the OpenPGP keyring, you should not only get your key created beforehand, but practice with it and get to understand the tooling. To better understand how we work, you might be interested in reading the following articles; sorry for the self-promotion, but those are the works I am most likely to be able to discuss about ;-) - Strengthening a Curated Web of Trust in a Geographically Distributed Project (Wolf and Gallegos, 2016) Cryptologia, 41 (5). pp. 459-475 http://ru.iiec.unam.mx/3486/ - Insights on the large-scale deployment of a curated Web-of-Trust: the Debian project’s cryptographic keyring (Wolf and Quiroga, 2018) Journal of Internet Services and Applications, 9 (11). pp. 1-12 http://ru.iiec.unam.mx/4106/ - An Analysis of 5 Million OpenPGP Keys (Schacht and Kieseberg, 2020) Journal of Wireless Mobile Networks, Ubiquitous Computing, and Dependable Applications, 11 (3). pp. 107-140 http://isyou.info/jowua/papers/jowua-v11n3-6.pdf There are more, of course... but those were sitting at the top of my head.
Re: DebConf22: Call for keys for keysigning in Prizren, Kosovo
Dashamir Hoxha dijo [Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 05:58:01PM +0200]: > I am looking forward to discussing these issues with you. > I have some experience with WKD (Web Key Directory) which is a > distributed alternative for keyservers, and is even regarded as a > replacement for them. > But I am not sure how suitable or easy is WKD for being used with > keysigning. > Is Debian already using WKD? Debian does use WKD. It is a good alternative in many ways, but lacks in many others -- it will use if your mail provider *cares* about OpenPGP enough to run a service, and it allows for user-generated content to be served via a well-known address (i.e. https://openpgpkey.example.org/.well-known/openpgpkey/example.org/hu/hfh6c7pfzr3uop5ne7qrdwj4uo6hr49p for someu...@example.org). It would not work for your key, as you'd first have to convince GMail to enable said service. Besides, I might be wrong on this... but I understand WKD serves the keys stripped of any certification material.
Re: DebConf22: Call for keys for keysigning in Prizren, Kosovo
Dashamir Hoxha dijo [Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 03:20:07PM +0200]: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 12:28 AM Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > > > > Most of you are aware that the keyserver network is currently in a > > quite weak status; please ensure we can find your updated keys at > > several different keyservers (at least, by uploading them); I suggest > > you try something like the following: > > > >(...) > > Is it possible to avoid the keyserver network somehow? Because as you > mentioned, it is failing, and also it is not recommended to use it anymore > (as far as I know). It is failing due to a couple of weaknesses in the interaction model between servers, but some people (me included) are working to save it from dying. Still, I cannot by far promise you it will continue working, and for how long. Key distribution servers are a fundamental part for the Web of Trust, the basic model for trusting on somebody's identity via their key's certifications. > For example, instead of uploading the fingerprint, we can upload the public > key itself somewhere, in a public place, or send it by attachment to a > coordinator. That would be suboptimal, as the key has to be available to every participant who has to sign your key. I will most likely, though, put the keys on a keyring somewhere in https://people.debian.org/~gwolf, but that solves only a part of the problem: You will be able to get some identifcations, but making the world know you have certified somebody's keys gets much trickier. > Maybe I am missing something. Maybe a keysigning party makes no sense > without a keyserver infrastructure. I am not sure. It does make sense, but it is a bit harder. Nowadays, we _still_ have keyservers, and they _still_ network together. Some of us will do our best to keep the infrastructure alive. DebConf22 will have keyserver infrastructure available, trust me :-] But keysigning has been done since before keyservers were a thing; keyservers make many things easier, although are not fundamental for the WoT to work. Anyway... I guess you can see I have many things to say about this ;-) See you in Kosovo, and we will be able to discuss in person. And of course, see you in: https://debconf22.debconf.org/talks/31-openpgp-web-of-trust-a-way-forward/
Re: DebConf22 bursaries for food or accommodation
Gunnar Wolf dijo [Tue, May 17, 2022 at 03:48:25PM -0500]: > This year, sadly (due to the distance and that I cannot leave my > obligations for so long) I will not be joining DebConf. Of course, s/Conf/Camp/; signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: DebConf22 bursaries for food or accommodation
From: Gunnar Wolf To: Dashamir Hoxha Cc: debconf-discuss@lists.debian.org Bcc: Subject: Re: DebConf22 bursaries for food or accommodation Reply-To: In-Reply-To: Hello Dashamir, Dashamir Hoxha dijo [Tue, May 17, 2022 at 09:42:05PM +0200]: > I have seen that and I have an idea about how DebCamp works, but there are > no details there about any plans for DebCamp22. > > I am willing to help with hacking (if any), but I can't do it by myself > (alone) because I am not a debian maintainer or something else. > I have a good experience with infrastructure and maybe I can help with > that, if possible. > If there are any trainings about how to become a debian maintainer, I'd be > willing to participate. > > But in case that no one needs any help, that's still fine, I don't have to > bother myself. You are right, DebCamp looks quite like an empty slate -- and that's what it is, by design. There are no centralized plans, just space for people to sit down and work, alone (accompanied by their Debian colleagues) or together in teams. DebCamp is a great opportunity to get to know the people in Debian, and if you know of a team that you want to get closer to. There have been "Debian warm-up" sessions for beginners in the past (sorry, I cannot recall _when_). But no, please don't expect any _organized_ activities during DebCamp: It is just time for us all to work on different aspects of Debian -- and to socialize. A lot. It is fun, lively, and one of my personal favorite parts of DebConf. Many people find their way into getting involved with Debian during DebConf by joining the teams that are busy setting things up for the conference -- Video, network and infrastrcture, front desk, mainly. I saw Paulo Henrique already sent also a coordination list, which you might find useful. This year, sadly (due to the distance and that I cannot leave my obligations for so long) I will not be joining DebConf. Anyway -- up to you to decide how you want to get involved (and, of course, there is no obligation to do so!) Greetings, signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Will pre-recorded only talk be accepted for DebConf22?
Stefano Rivera dijo [Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 01:45:56PM +]: > This is something that the video team (CCed) would like to continue to > experiment with and improve on. But we aren't able to support a > significant remote-presenter presence at DebConf, yet. > > Without any kind of interaction with an audience in a conference > theatre, an entirely remote track would be far more doable. We aren't > intending to do something like that at DebConf 22, at this time. I guess > if there was significant interest, we could reconsider that... > > Basically, supporting any of these things needs time and work from the > video team. And, since COVID-19, we haven't had any of the usual sprints > to improve infrastructure. I know that all videoteam work is volunteer, and I very well known it is one of the most stressed teams during the conference. But we _have_ had talks via Jitsi in DebConf in the past; I remember participating in at least a couple during DC19: https://debconf19.debconf.org/talks/83-whats-new-in-the-linux-kernel-and-whats-missing-in-debian/ https://debconf19.debconf.org/talks/71-anti-harassment-bof/ So -- I understand the video team not wanting to deal with a _flood_ of online talk proposals. But I guess that having a _few_ talks, maybe restricted to not being part of the official program (i.e. as ad-hoc activities), should remain an option. The presenter could even take the work to record the talk and make it available afterwards. Of course, I'm not doing the work, and I cannot commit your time -- and I'm arguing against a team decision that's already been taken. I can commit that, if I can make it to Kosovo (and that's still marked as somewhat-unlikely-but-possible) I'll join the team and cover some such talks, if they are accepted... But please, I won't make more mess about this, and I surely won't insist on the team for upholding a decision already taken, and that's completely within their competences to take!
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
Martin dijo [Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 11:04:04AM +]: > That's exactly what I plan to do: HS train to Munich, wagon-lit to Rome, > regional train to Bari, ferry to Durrës, bus to Prizren. The much > cheaper and faster alternative is a direct flight from my home village, > but it is too expensive in terms of carbon emission. Maybe we meet in > Rome or Bari — their street pasta is famous :-) I had already decided not to do any transatlantic flights during this year, mostly because I have an internationally unsupported set of vaccines (chinese CanSino and USA Moderna). But... I cannot say I am not considering it over and over (and over and over...). It is quite possible I will appear somewhere in Europe; so far, I think the most convenient route is air trip to Tirana (of course, with a plane change somewher in Central Europe) and bus from there...
Re: DebConf20 registration is now open (with caveats)
Giovanni Mascellani dijo [Fri, May 22, 2020 at 03:51:09PM +0200]: > (...) (Not specifically answering to Gio, but to the thread as a whole) > (...) But meetings should remain as small as possible, and as > geographically confined as possible. Organizing conferences with > hundreds of people coming from all over the world is, in my opinion, > irresponsible: There's also the issue of getting there --- Most people travelling to Israel will have to switch airplanes at an intermediate airport. Big airports simply is something that scares me currently. People comng from all different origins into a single space. In any case, a DebConf20 in August would surely not gather the usual hundreds of people, but only some dozens. > I am sorry for the organizing team, who for sure has poured a lot of > energy and dedication into DebConf20. They deserve all our gratitude and > they have all mine. I know it is disappointing to see their efforts > wasted, but in the current situation I don't think it is responsible to > physically meet from all over the world. It's not just about the risk > each individual attendee would accept to take: it's the risk our whole > communities take (particularly the vulnerable ones, from the health > viewpoint) when individuals allow the virus to spread. > > I hope that Debian does not organize any non-local physical meeting this > year, although I am sad this has to happen. I completely concur with what you and others have said. I don't think it's in any way responsible to hold a presential conference in the planned dates. I am happy to read in this thread that the local team does not cling to the idea of hosting the conference in August; lets see how life unfolds for the next ... months? Note that we have *not* come to an official statement yet, but I'm sure this thread has given a valuable insight on the feling of the community. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: DebConf20 registration is now open (with caveats)
Christoph Biedl dijo [Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:20:17PM +0200]: > Daniel Lange wrote... > > > We need to know, assuming health regulations permit it, how many people > > intend to attend. This year probably more than ever before, prompt > > registration is very important to us. > > Since you quite stress that, would it be of help for you I you get a > "negative" registration as well? Then those who already know for sure > they will *not* attend for whatever reason could make an according > statement, and it might be a little easier to guess how many people will > show up. I believe it's important to get those numbers somehow. Now, the registration interface does not provide for anything like that - we were preparing a survey in the last couple of days to get a better look at said numbers, and we should be sending it out to everybody soon; it will be important in the decision process. Thanks, signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session
Wookey dijo [Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 08:37:57PM +0100]: > Perhaps so, but a big part of the difficulty round this issue is > people calling things which aren't (like thinking the settler movement > is deeply unjust) 'anti-semitic'. It makes it almost impossible to have > a sensible conversation around the subject. > > Boycotting Israel, or at least settlers, seems sensible to me for the > same reasons that it was sensible against South Africa. And holding > debconf there seems like a bad plan for the same reason that a lot of > bands got abuse for playing Sin City in the 1980s. The example you present is quite good - Many people inside Israel boycott the settler movement. Zionists towards the left of the political spectrum very often do. But I wish to bring this what I consider an _important_ step beyond that: While having DebConf at country X will quite probably benefit said country (if for nothing else, for the tourism-related expenses we do... although many of us are lousy, cheap tourists), its impact is negligible. But the effort that has been put -and that remains to be put- in organizing the conference by some very specific members of our community, by people that have been close to us, whom we have interacted with. Running a DebConf means putting your soul into the project for a year, and quite probably taking a nontrivial financial hit, because you will be catering for a group of geeks instead of doing proper work. This is the main point I argue. Having been part of the organizing team for DebConf and for other international conferences in Mexico, I am more than aware how the "drugs-gangs-bad hombres" security scare dampens our efforts. Boycotting a DebConf in Israel should have been done by the interested people when it was still at the bidding level - It would have not been nice, but it would have been ... Fair. Pushing for this political stance now, when our friends have been working on rearranging their life objectives for the whole year is just not right. I am quite heartfelt and saddened. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Flashing Coreboot on laptops in the Hacklab
rajudev dijo [Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 05:55:28PM -0300]: > > We are starting to flash coreboot on laptops of people who would be > willing to have it on there laptops. > > People who want to flash it on there laptops or people who are willing > to learn on how to do it are welcome to join in the Noisy HackLab after > the Cheese and Wine Party. Great initiative! :-) I am happy you took that task this year. But... I always tried to be extra sober and awake when flashing laptops :-] I hope you had no ill results! Now, question: Last year I did this with Raspbian, as our kernel did not have can't-remember-which-feature enabled. Can we test whether this runs with the images I'm preparing? Thanks!
Re: Keysigning party list for DebConf19
Samuel Henrique dijo [Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 11:38:59AM -0300]: > Hello folks, > > I just uploaded the list of the keys for the keysigning party, please make > sure your key is correctly described in there (number and fingerprint > especially), then take your SHA256 checksums and come tomorrow at 15:00 to > the mini auditorium[0]. > > The file can be retrieved here: > https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc19/raw/be6d109237ebdad25601879ea21d90a09797313a/ksp/debconf19-ksp.txt It is also very useful to know whom you have already signed, or who is farther away from you in the web of trust (even if only limited to the subset of it that participate in this KSP, of course). So, as I did in some past years, I have prepared personalized signature maps \o/ https://people.debian.org/~gwolf/dc19_ksp/ You will find a separate entry for each of your submitted keys. Most of the network will be in light gray for everybody. Your own key appears in black. Other keys that have signed yours are rendered with a green background, and other keys that have been signed by yours are rendered with a blue font. And that's about it :-] Enjoy and weave the web! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Traveling from Airport to the venue
Julian Andres Klode dijo [Mon, Jul 08, 2019 at 03:11:24PM +0200]: > I find it hilarious that their page is only in Portuguese, which is > not all that helpful for travellers. > > I believe the answer is yes, but > https://www.aeroportoexecutivo.com.br/tickets/ > is just an image and I can't feed the translator with it :( Oh, but learning to read Portuguese should be no hassle for you. It is an easy language. And it sounds beautifully funny! ;-)
Re: Tips/warnings/suggestion for newcomers at DebConf19
Judit Foglszinger dijo [Thu, May 30, 2019 at 10:07:33PM +0700]: > > What is "mao" > > > > :-O > > A card game. > The only way to win is not to play :) > > > Maybe slightly controversial, but learn to play Mao it will teach you > > some valuable skills in making it through the NM process. > > I didn't play Mao in my process :'-( > > An even if you get trough by cheating in Mao, > possibilities are high, you get rejected by the Mao commitee :) Remind me to penalize you next time we play.
Re: Debconf20 will be in...
Wookey dijo [Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 09:44:12PM +]: > True, and there is clearly a balance to be struck between encouraging > debian in new areas and optimising travel for existing > developers. After 5 years when debconf could only be attended with > intercontinental travel by European developers, I'm very happy with a > presumption towards Europe next. Do keep in mind that Israel is as close as Lisbon from Central Europe: From Vienna, Haifa is 2312Km away, Lisbon is 2298Km. Of course, not everything is the same; many people from the EU will travel by rail to countries in the EU (and not because of political affiliations, but because it's _possible_, while I don't exepct many people to arrive to Israel if it's not by air). But, for some measures... Well, Israel is "almost Europe" ☺ > The state of the climate is such that it's increasingly difficult to > justify 2-4 tonnes of emissions just to visit debconf, so I've > missed/am missing the last 4. Israel is somewhat closer (0.9 tonne), > but cannot be reached in a low-carbon way from the UK SFAICT (no > trains, no ferries), (...) Right, that's what i'm saying.. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debconf20 will be in...
Rene Engelhard dijo [Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 04:05:35PM +0100]: > Hi, > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:18:44AM -0300, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana > wrote: > > I think this part is not fair with countries outside Europe. > > Yesterday on the #debconf utkarsh2102 said: "India would be bidding for > > 2021." > > Neither is it desirable for Developers or other attendees to have half a > dozen of > Debconfs not in Europe. > > There once was the (unwritten, happened to just work based in bids) > "switch continents rule". > > DC2: Montreal (Noth America) > DC3: Norway (Europe) > DC4: Brazil (South America) > DC5: Finland (Europe) > DC6: Mexiko (Middle America) > DC7: Scotland (Europe) > DC8: Argentina (South America) > DC9: Spain (Europe) > DC10: USA (Noth America) > DC11: Bosnia & Hercegovina (Europe) > DC12: Nicaragua (Middle America) > DC13: Switzerland (Europe) > DC14: USA (North America) > DC15: Germany (last one in Europe) > DC16: South Africa (Africa) > DC17: Canada (North America) > DC18: Taiwan (Asia) > DC19: Brazil (South America) > DC20: Israel (Asia[1]) > DC21: Lisbon / India / ... Well, this was not based on hard rules, but on the presented bids. Of course, the rule influenced bidding teams, and for a long time we had a seeming equilibrium between America and Europe. Mind you, America is a bit larger than Europe - The distance between the fathest DebConfs in Europe (Cáceres and Helsinki) is around 4,000Km; the distance between Portland and Mar del Plata (farthest DebConfs in America) is close to 11,000Km. But of course, you know there is much more than that than only distance... I agree it's time for DebConf to be in Europe. But one of the main reasons we haven't been back there is... Prices. It would _for sure_ make sense for DebConf to be closer to (or inside) the region with greatest DD density, but it's not that we have not had bids there... > So I completely understand this, it is time for Europe. > > India can try 2022? I agree that _probably_ it will be this way. But if India prepares a better bid than wherever-in-Europe... Well, it will probably go to them. But yes, basically everybody expects DebConf to be back in Europe since a long time ago... And I do expect it to carry _some_ weight in next year's decision. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)
Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana dijo [Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:32:57AM -0300]: > > I too started off as an absolutely terrified public speaker, and the > > Q were especially nerve racking. I should note that DebConf in > > particular was especially intimidating, not due to anything related to > > the format of the conference but to how knowledgeable (and opinionated) > > the average attendee is. I think one way we could overcome this is by > > having some tips for first time speakers, or an optional orientation > > session at the conference for new speakers. For example, the tips could > > include some of the things mentioned here already, like how you can > > speak for the entire time so there's none left for questions (while > > stressing that it's important to practice your talk so that you have > > confidence about its length), ways to handle questions that are not > > really questions but comments, how to handle it if you don't understand > > the question because you don't understand the accent of the asker, etc. > > > > I also have found it really helpful when conferences train session > > volunteers to not just manage the microphone and make sure the video is > > running but to actually moderate Q, shutting down pedantic commentary > > and helping to focus on respectful questions, setting the speaker up to > > really share their knowledge in a lower stress way. > > I believe it's a good ideia write some kind of manual on the DC19 > website before the CfP. Maybe after read that, someone that was not > thinking to send a proposal, can feel motivated and send it. Way too many years ago, a bright and gentle woman took care to address new speakers at the beginning of DebConf. Although by 2006 I had already been public-speaking for ~7 years, I have watched her talk maybe a dozen times. Everybody should do the same. And, quite probably, Meike's points should be brought again today to our speakers, old and new - Be it by explicitly inviting her (she is an Emeritus DD) or by having somebody adopt her talk. https://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2006/debconf6/theora-unscaled/2006-05-19/tower/Cheap_thrills_Instant_inspiration_for_the_masses-Meike_Reichle.ogg
Re: Questions after talks at DebConf (idea)
Samuel Henrique dijo [Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 02:47:15PM -0300]: > For the speaker side, I saw a really good solution being used at this > year's DC by Audrey Tang[0], I think it is a non-free service, but it > should be something really easy to implement it for ourselves. Yes, looks like an interesting approach. It will also help people who want to ask and don't want to be on video. > My suggestion is as follows: > * anyone can send questions for that specific talk (anonymously or > not) by accessing an url > * other people can upvote/downvote the question as the talk is going > * the speaker has an online dashboard where they can see the most > upvoted questions and answer the ones they would like to (if the > speaker agreed to answer questions after the talk)[1] I really disliked the voting part of this tool, though. I don't want people to refrain from asking something because they think they will be downvoted. > Benefits: > * people watching it live can send questions > * can send questions anonymously > * there will be no room for listening difficulties (accents, speaking > too fast, etc.) > * speaker answer the ones they are comfortable with > * questions can be well made as there will be no anxiety of speaking > on mic (for some people) The first point you mention is very interesting, and I'll repeat it: "Watching it live" does not necessarily mean watching it from the auditorium. People following IRC would be interacting just as the rest of the room are. Then again... Many people (as speakers) will not like this interaction mode. I found it too stiff, and at times, somewhat demanding / breaking the natural flow of the presenter. Yes, this could very well be a tool under DebConf's belt, to be offered to the speakers, but I would not make it mandatory not to have "voiced" QA.
Re: phone repair
Molly de Blanc dijo [Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 09:05:43PM -0400]: > Like a boss I dropped my my phone this morning, smashing the screen in a > most delightful manner. > > Does anyone know where I could 1) get it fixed or 2) get a cheap(ish) > phone in Hsinchu or Taipei? There are many electronic shops, including phone repair shops, quite nearby: https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=24.7944=121.0006#map=16/24.7944/121.0006
Interested in flashing your X230 with Coreboot?
During DebCamp, me and a small group of merry campers reflashed our X230 Thinkpads with Coreboot. Thanks go to Holger, for bringing the physical tooling along, and for making me go through the full build process. Given that I have all of the needed bits, I can offer you a quick tour of the prerequisites, and flash it to your machines. Contact me, either via this thread, or in person. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: English-speaking taxi number?
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz dijo [Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 03:23:24PM +0200]: > On 07/29/2018 07:52 AM, John Sullivan wrote: > > (trying to avoid direct use of Uber due to the proprietary software > > required) > > You have more a problem with the fact that UBER uses proprietary software > than the fact that they are exploiting their workers through by declaring > them as "contractors" through the help of loopholes in the law? [1, 2] Both are quite bad issues. Also, that they run against the local regulations in several countries, undermining authorizations that for better or for worse have been in place for decades. Of course, it's sometimes good to review whether said authorizations should be updated - but the fait accompli way they use does not remotely amuse me.
Re: Football Jersey
Tobias Frost dijo [Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 11:53:19PM +0800]: > Hi, > > I'd like to shop for a Taiwan national team soccer jersey. Any hints > where to get them, preferable in walking distance? In the way between the dormitories and Restaurant #2 (I'm sorry for being so far from specific!) I found a window showing NCTU souvenirs. I am also interested in finding it again :) I guess you will find something there.
Re: Key Signing Party - Final lists
Kurt Roeckx dijo [Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 08:54:59AM +0200]: > > You can fetch them, check them and play with them at: > > > > https://people.debian.org/~gwolf/ksp-dc18/ > > The ksp-dc18-2.txt.sha256 file mentions ksp-dc18.txt, not ksp-dc18-2.txt > > So sha256sum -c ksp-dc18-2.txt.sha256 fails. Oh, sorry - I made it with the files having the old name. Copying it elsewhere or renaming it should work. I don't want to move what I have published, so... Please use your intuition :)
Re: Keys for the DC18 Key Signing Party - Ready for printing!
Kurt Roeckx dijo [Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 05:49:09AM +0200]: > This file really isn't usable, it's not a detached signature. It > can not be used to verify ksp-dc18.txt. > > When verifying it, you get: > $ gpg --verify ksp-dc18.txt.asc > gpg: Signature made Tue 24 Jul 2018 02:08:48 AM CEST > gpg:using RSA key AB41C1C68AFD668CA045EBF8673A03E4C1DB921F > gpg: Good signature from "Gunnar Eyal Wolf Iszaevich " > [full] > gpg: aka "Gunnar Eyal Wolf Iszaevich " [full] > gpg: aka "Gunnar Eyal Wolf Iszaevich (Instituto de > Investigaciones Económicas UNAM) " [full] > gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'ksp-dc18.txt' was NOT verified! > > $ gpg --verify ksp-dc18.txt.asc ksp-dc18.txt > gpg: not a detached signature > > We need to verify the ksp-dc18.txt file, that's the file we'll all > compute the SHA256 for. Just adding to what Julian said: $ GET https://people.debian.org/~gwolf/ksp-dc18/ksp-dc18.txt | sha256sum 7bc15a0bce48ebe990a650a88d6ab48264394a615cdc377805fda98e575bf189 - $ GET https://people.debian.org/~gwolf/ksp-dc18/ksp-dc18.txt.asc | gpg -v | sha256sum gpg: WARNING: no command supplied. Trying to guess what you mean ... gpg: armor header: Hash: SHA256 gpg: original file name='' gpg: Signature made Tue 24 Jul 2018 08:08:48 AM CST gpg:using RSA key AB41C1C68AFD668CA045EBF8673A03E4C1DB921F gpg: using pgp trust model gpg: Good signature from "Gunnar Eyal Wolf Iszaevich " [unknown] gpg: aka "Gunnar Eyal Wolf Iszaevich " [unknown] gpg: aka "Gunnar Eyal Wolf Iszaevich (Instituto de Investigaciones Económicas UNAM) " [unknown] gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. Primary key fingerprint: AB41 C1C6 8AFD 668C A045 EBF8 673A 03E4 C1DB 921F gpg: textmode signature, digest algorithm SHA256, key algorithm rsa4096 7bc15a0bce48ebe990a650a88d6ab48264394a615cdc377805fda98e575bf189 - signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Keys for the DC18 Key Signing Party - Ready for printing!
Samuel Henrique dijo [Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 02:11:55AM -0300]: > Hello, > > I can't seem to find any of my keys at > https://people.debian.org/~gwolf/ksp-dc18/ksp-dc18.txt > > I sent the email to gwolf@d.o on 21th July at more or less 16 UTC. I > also had my key registered on the DC form (where it said it would be > used for KSP). And i sent another email on 21th July to confirm that > my keys would be present. > > I have no idea what happened, can you help me? You missed the first file, but you are in time for the second. It arrived fine, so it will be in the second batch. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Keys for the DC18 Key Signing Party - Ready for printing!
Shengjing Zhu dijo [Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 03:19:56PM +0800]: > Hi Gunnar, > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 4:49 AM Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > If you want to ensure the file came from me, you can check the > > clear-signed version: > > > > https://people.debian.org/~gwolf/ksp-dc18/ksp-dc18.txt.asc > > > > This file is incomplete, no SIGNATURE part included. Wow! Wonder how that happened. The good news is that it happened on my end (on my work computer). I have updated it. Thanks! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Official schedule!
Hi again, 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson dijo [Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 07:25:47AM +0800]: > As you see on https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/DayTrip some trips > start as early as 07:45. Only one starts as late as 10:00. > (...) I know. And there is no true way to express things without risking some people to be way too confused. And the system we are using is not precisely easy to fix. I have deleted the breakfast and moved the activity to start at 8AM. Of course, people will ask, "so we don't have breakfast?" - Some will. I also left the arrival time at 18:00 - I don't know if people will make it on time. Daytrip coordination *always* requires a lot of human communication. There are too many factors. You sent me at least six mails about this issue, all of them using tones where... Well, where it feels as clearly more urgent than it is, and IMO lacking basic respect. This has happened several times in the past - I understand, we are working together for a great DebConf, and this is an important piece for you. But, please, try not to be so pushy. We need to work together as a team! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Reminder: Call for keys for keysigning party (KSP) in DebConf18, Hsinchu, Taiwan
Changwoo Ryu dijo [Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 08:48:56AM +0900]: > Thanks for organizing KSP! > > But I'm a bit confused. According to the wiki page ( > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/Keysigning ) and the debconf18 > registration form, I thought I didn't have to send my keys when my > key fingerprints are set in the conference registration "My PGP key > fingerprints for keysigning" field. Yes - We got confused and double-organized stuff. I must say, I'm sorry, I OK'ed the one you describe (based on our conference management system, but promptly forgot about it) and some time later organized the mail-based one. FWIW, I suggest people follow up with the mail-based one. It makes several checks easier, and is a bit more reliable. (Why? Because I have a poor dumb some of you have interacted with taking care of several issues, such as verifying keys are correct and indeed belong to the person presenting them... Also, because although the scripts are complete reimplementations, they follow the format that Anibal has used for the past 13 years, and it allows for some analysis that some of us care about :-} ) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: "Debian CI/autopkgtest BoF" at Debconf18
Ian Jackson dijo [Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 01:14:03PM +0100]: > > I had proposed a BoF session titled "Debian CI/autopkgtest BoF". Is > > there anyone who is attending and could lead this session so that it > > happens anyway? I will make an effort to follow it remotely despite the > > 11h timezone difference. > > I can try to help, although IDK really what your plans were. > > > I think that now that CI is influencing testing migration this is as > > relevant of a topic as ever. Also, I led similar BoFs at the last 2 > > Debconfs, and I feel both were very interesting and useful. They were a > > mix of status update, Q, and open discussion. > > Right. So, I guess, count me as volunteering. Hi, I have assigned the (public author for the) talk to Ian. It will be scheduled on Thursday, 11AM (so it's not a _terrible_ hour for Terceiro to participate remotely, although I think it will be for Paul... Sorry! :-] ) Greetings, signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: When the Next batch of approved talks for DebConf18 announced?
Mehul Patel dijo [Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 07:54:29PM +0530]: > Hello Team, > > When are you going to share the next approved talks? It's already the 11th > of July. > > Don't you think you guys are taking so much time? Please update asap. We are taking too long. Sadly, you never offered help for us to make it shorter.
Re: When the Next batch of approved talks for DebConf18 announced?
Taowa dijo [Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 08:00:03PM -0400]: > Hello, > > I understand that these kinds of answers are frustrating, but the > content team, as with every other team, is made up of > volunteers. There are only a small number of people who make them up > and they are all trying their best to do so as fast as possible. Thanks a lot, Taowa. Thing is: Yes, we wanted to send out the schedule at least by July 1st. But all of the Content Team members have been very busy. I (as the content team lead - Ultimately, I took the responsability to get this job done!) had set out as my goal for last week to build the schedule, and I have a *partial* advance. But I am not in Mexico City, and won't return before tomorrow night. I will try to work on it during Tuesday, and with great luck, by Wednesday we will have something to show to the world. But I also have a life and a real-life job. And we also have (small but needed) family vacations. And everything. So, please, be patient. I'm sorry not to accept help from just about anybody - Building a schedule is a process that seems easy, but requires a bit of expertise and to consider several issues you only get from experience... So I'm only asking for the Content Team (or, at most, the broader organization team) for help. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: When the Next batch of approved talks for DebConf18 announced?
Mehul Patel dijo [Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 04:55:11PM +0530]: > Hello There, > > When will the Next batch of approved talks for DebConf18 be announced? As soon as they are ready. We are working on that.
Re: Register for Industry DayTrip A now
積丹尼 Dan Jacobson dijo [Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 01:12:06AM +0800]: > Be sure to register for Industry DayTrip A now. 258 people max. After > 5/31 all empty spots will no longer be available to DebConf > participants. https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/DayTrip/A . Hi Dan, Please elaborate more on this. Why would people be interested in this? What do you expect to show in this daytrip option? What other daytrip options are there? Why is this one so restricted (so much it requires registration _three months_ in advance)? I asked you to send this message so that people know about it and, possibly, are interested in it. Please get people in love with it! ;-)
