Re: alsa and amd64 arch

[Jonathan Kaye]

Sythos wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 08:08:41AM +0200, Jonathan Kaye wrote:
>> I first got this system and then installed 32bit Debian). The problem is
>> specific to my separate (sitting on a different HD) 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8
>> installation. The required driver is snd_via82xx but it won't install
> 
> Excuse me, but I don't understand, the second HD has 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8,
> but it is a amd64 fersh instalation or is a i386 installation with SID
> stock kernel named "amd64-k8"?
> 

I don't know how I can be any clearer. The second hard disk has
2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 and only 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 and nothing else. That's all
it has. It can be booted directly from grub (as things stand now it's the
default boot option. On my older HD I have 2.6.8-i386 (etch). It can be
booted by selecting its option from the grub menu. At this point I don't
any any chroot things.
I hope that clears things up.
Cheers,
Jonathan 


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Re: alsa and amd64 arch

[Sythos]

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 08:08:41AM +0200, Jonathan Kaye wrote:
> I first got this system and then installed 32bit Debian). The problem is
> specific to my separate (sitting on a different HD) 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8
> installation. The required driver is snd_via82xx but it won't install

Excuse me, but I don't understand, the second HD has 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8,
but it is a amd64 fersh instalation or is a i386 installation with SID
stock kernel named "amd64-k8"?

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Re: alsa and amd64 arch

[Jonathan Kaye]

En/La Brian R. Whitecotton ha escrit, a 01/09/05 06:40:
> Try booting with a Knoppix CD. Let it correctly indentify the sound
> hardware, let it correctly load the modules and then inspect the
> configuration.  Of course, this will only identify the modules that work
> with the linux kernel distributed with Knoppix BUT it will give some
> insight.  Good Luck. 
> 
Thanks for the advice, Brian, but I don't think you understand the
nature of the problem. I don't need to boot up with knoppix. I have a
very nicely working 2.6.8 i386 installation. Debian has no problem with
my hardware and I know what modules etc. need to be loaded. So booting
with knoppix won't tell me anything new (in fact that's what I did when
I first got this system and then installed 32bit Debian). The problem is
specific to my separate (sitting on a different HD) 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8
installation. The required driver is snd_via82xx but it won't install
for some obscure reason that (up to now) nobody seems to know. It seems
to have something to do with the arch folder not containing an amd64
entry; at least that's what alsa is complaining about. (see my other
posts for more details)
Thanks anyway,
Jonathan
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RE: alsa and amd64 arch

[Brian R. Whitecotton]

Try booting with a Knoppix CD. Let it correctly indentify the sound
hardware, let it correctly load the modules and then inspect the
configuration.  Of course, this will only identify the modules that work
with the linux kernel distributed with Knoppix BUT it will give some
insight.  Good Luck. 

> -Original Message-
> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Kaye
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:07 PM
> To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org
> Subject: alsa and amd64 arch
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> I already sent this message to debian.user but no response 
> over there so I thought I'd try here. 
> I finally plucked up my courage and put in another hard disk 
> and installed 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 which is running 
> independently of my i386 installation. Loads of problems but 
> perhaps the easiest is what do I do to get my architecture 
> into /etc/modutils/arch and/or /etc/modprobe.d/arch? I can't 
> install the alsa drivers because although alsa finds the 
> correct card and driver snd_via82xx, it whinges about not 
> finding the amd64 architecture as shown here: Running 
> update-modules... Architecture-specific modutils 
> configuration not found, using defaults Loading driver... 
> Setting default volumes...
>  
> The contents of the /etc/modutils/arch is:
> alpha  m68k.amiga  m68k.generic  mips.ip22 powerpc.generic  s390
> i386   m68k.atari  m68k.mac  powerpc.apus  powerpc.pmac s390x
> The contenst of /etc/modprobe.d/arch is:
> i386
> but no amd64 listed in either. I've got the kernel-source 
> headers etc. 
> lsmod looks like this (just the relevant bits):
> Module  Size  Used by
> snd_via82xx29092  0
> snd_ac97_codec 73220  1 snd_via82xx
> snd_pcm   100876  1 snd_via82xx
> snd_timer  24968  1 snd_pcm
> snd_page_alloc 12944  2 snd_via82xx,snd_pcm
> gameport5120  1 snd_via82xx
> snd_mpu401_uart 8192  1 snd_via82xx
> snd_rawmidi26532  1 snd_mpu401_uart
> snd_seq_device  9164  1 snd_rawmidi
> snd56936  7
> snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,
> snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
> soundcore  11232  1 snd
> 
> I've tried running modprobe, update-modules, reinstalling 
> module-init-tools, etc. No joy. So what do I need to do to 
> get alsa to recognise my architecture, if that is indeed the problem?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Jonathan
> 
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Re: alsa and amd64 arch

[Jonathan Kaye]

En/La Kaare Olsen ha escrit, a 31/08/05 21:04:
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:23:24 +0200
> Jonathan Kaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>0 snd_via82xx
> 
> 
> I have a working unstable amd64 installation here (64 bit), running
> Linux 2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 and ALSA, and my sound chip is also a
> snd_via82xx.
> 
> I don't recall setting anything up, but I did run alsaconf which found
> the sound chip.  Unfortunately I can't think of anything that might help
> you along, but feel free to ask for the content of specific files or
> whatever you can think of.
>  
I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't a bug with 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8. Is
there anyone out there using this kernel without problems?
Cheers,
Jonathan

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Re: alsa and amd64 arch

[Kaare Olsen]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:23:24 +0200
Jonathan Kaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 0 snd_via82xx

I have a working unstable amd64 installation here (64 bit), running
Linux 2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 and ALSA, and my sound chip is also a
snd_via82xx.

I don't recall setting anything up, but I did run alsaconf which found
the sound chip.  Unfortunately I can't think of anything that might help
you along, but feel free to ask for the content of specific files or
whatever you can think of.
 
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Re: alsa and amd64 arch

[Jonathan Kaye]

Lennart Sorensen wrote:


> In my experience alsaconf is useless and does nothing to help anyone.
> cat /proc/asound/cards to see if any currently loaded driver has found
> your chip.  If yes, then you just have permissions and volume settings
> to work out.  If no, the right driver is not loaded yet.  Loading the
> driver is usualyl as simple as adding the driver name to /etc/modules
> such as snd-emu10k1, snd-via82cxx or snd-intel8x0 or whichever your chip
> uses.
> 
> Len Sorensen
Sorry Len, no help at all. My card is in the /proc/asound/modules file (the
only one there). It is:
0 snd_via82xx
and that's the entire contents of that file.
I can't do any adjusting because no mixer (alsamixer, amixer, kmixer)
recognises that there is a card:
Attila:/proc/asound# amixer
amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
Attila:/proc/asound# alsamixer

alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or
directory
I did put snd_via82xx is the /etc/modules file but that didn't change
anything either (I notice it's not in my /etc/modules file in work
functioning i386 setup).
Back to ripping the whole thing out I guess.
Thanks again,
Jonathan


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Re: alsa and amd64 arch

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 05:46:24PM +0200, Jonathan Kaye wrote:
> I am running a pure 64bit but the driver is not loaded. I've shown you
> the output of running alsaconf and alsamixer says it can't find any
> driver, nor can amixer etc. It keeps going on about not finding the
> modutils architecture. I am in the audio group .Maybe I'll rip the whole
> thing out and start again.

In my experience alsaconf is useless and does nothing to help anyone.
cat /proc/asound/cards to see if any currently loaded driver has found
your chip.  If yes, then you just have permissions and volume settings
to work out.  If no, the right driver is not loaded yet.  Loading the
driver is usualyl as simple as adding the driver name to /etc/modules
such as snd-emu10k1, snd-via82cxx or snd-intel8x0 or whichever your chip
uses.

Len Sorensen


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Re: alsa and amd64 arch

[Jonathan Kaye]

En/La Lennart Sorensen ha escrit, a 31/08/05 17:13:
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:52:37PM +0200, Jonathan Kaye wrote:

> 
> If you are running a pure 64bit then it should be working with that
> driver loaded already assuming the /dev entries exist and your user is
> in the audio group and alsamixer has been used to set the volume and
> mute appropriately.
> 
> Len Sorensen
> 
> 
Hi Len,
I am running a pure 64bit but the driver is not loaded. I've shown you
the output of running alsaconf and alsamixer says it can't find any
driver, nor can amixer etc. It keeps going on about not finding the
modutils architecture. I am in the audio group .Maybe I'll rip the whole
thing out and start again.
Cheers,
Jonahan
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Re: alsa and amd64 arch

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:52:37PM +0200, Jonathan Kaye wrote:
> Hi Len,
> I'm running amd64 and i386 separately on two different HD's. They are
> both bootable and my problems arise on the amd64 installation. The i386
> is fine, no problems anywhere. So I need to know about "things having to
> be done a bit differently if running amd64". Please enlighten me.

Just an amd64 kernel on i386 distribution (which is what I currently
run, along with a 64bit chroot for testing things).  With the mix I have
to use a few things from 64bit since the kernel is 64bit, although most
32bit stuff works just fine with it.

If you are running a pure 64bit then it should be working with that
driver loaded already assuming the /dev entries exist and your user is
in the audio group and alsamixer has been used to set the volume and
mute appropriately.

Len Sorensen


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Re: alsa and amd64 arch

[Jonathan Kaye]

En/La Lennart Sorensen ha escrit, a 31/08/05 16:36:
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 08:07:20AM +0200, Jonathan Kaye wrote:

> Are you running i386 or amd64 version of sarge?  The amd64 kernel exists
> in both, but things have to be done a bit differently if running amd64
> kernel on i386 install.
> 
> Len Sorensen
> 
> 
Hi Len,
I'm running amd64 and i386 separately on two different HD's. They are
both bootable and my problems arise on the amd64 installation. The i386
is fine, no problems anywhere. So I need to know about "things having to
be done a bit differently if running amd64". Please enlighten me.
Cheers,
Jonathan

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Re: alsa and amd64 arch

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 08:07:20AM +0200, Jonathan Kaye wrote:
> Hi all,
> I already sent this message to debian.user but no response over there so I
> thought I'd try here. 
> I finally plucked up my courage and put in another hard disk and
> installed 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 which is running independently of my i386
> installation. Loads of problems but perhaps the easiest is what do I do
> to get my architecture into /etc/modutils/arch and/or /etc/modprobe.d/arch?
> I can't install the alsa drivers because although alsa finds the correct
> card and driver snd_via82xx, it whinges about not finding
> the amd64 architecture as shown here:
> Running update-modules...
> Architecture-specific modutils configuration not found, using defaults
> Loading driver...
> Setting default volumes...

Are you running i386 or amd64 version of sarge?  The amd64 kernel exists
in both, but things have to be done a bit differently if running amd64
kernel on i386 install.

Len Sorensen


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