Re: status of skype amd64
Liviu Andronic wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Is there a provider that provides a SIP to land-line jump like skype but using SIP..? Hundreds if not thousands of them. Look up DID service providers. For example: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/DID+Service+Providers Thanks for the link! I imagine Skype wishes people didn't know they had other options. Skype may be a bit easier to setup given it is an all in one service, but still. What about Gizmo5? Can it be set-up to use a random SIP provider? Liviu Should do. Its been a while but I used Gizmo with sipgate on N800 with no problems. Have to say gizmo was nicely presented - but I now use the Nokia's own sip sw. Gizmo might need some trickery to work on amd64. Look here, and bottom right hand corner for clients: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/twinkle Berni -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c29a929.8000...@elbournb.fsnet.co.uk
Re: status of skype amd64
Liviu Andronic wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Is there a provider that provides a SIP to land-line jump like skype but using SIP..? Hundreds if not thousands of them. Look up DID service providers. For example: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/DID+Service+Providers Thanks for the link! I imagine Skype wishes people didn't know they had other options. Skype may be a bit easier to setup given it is an all in one service, but still. What about Gizmo5? Can it be set-up to use a random SIP provider? Liviu Should do. Its been a while but I used Gizmo with sipgate on N800 with no problems. Have to say gizmo was nicely presented - but I now use the Nokia's own sip sw. Gizmo might need some trickery to work on amd64. Look here, and bottom right hand corner for clients: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/twinkle Berni -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c29a90e.6060...@elbourn.com
Re: status of skype amd64
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Berni Elbourn be...@elbournb.fsnet.co.uk wrote: Should do. Its been a while but I used Gizmo with sipgate on N800 with no problems. Have to say gizmo was nicely presented - but I now use the Nokia's own sip sw. Gizmo might need some trickery to work on amd64. Look here, and bottom right hand corner for clients: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/twinkle Gizmo works fine, here, on amd64. However, since Google took over Gizmo I think you can no longer easily download it. I should probably look more in the menus and see how to use it with some other sip provider, an check some other clients. Regards Liviu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktim7ey7t7gfebt1kiaswqeeuhr3h0ghbtmejz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: status of skype amd64
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 09:56:15PM -0500, Karl Schmidt wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: Until some day skype decides to open their protocol and actually play nice with anyone else, rather than try to build a VoIP monopoly, it simply won't happen. I just tell people to not use skype. :) Everyone else uses SIP. Is there a provider that provides a SIP to land-line jump like skype but using SIP..? Hundreds if not thousands of them. Look up DID service providers. For example: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/DID+Service+Providers I imagine Skype wishes people didn't know they had other options. Skype may be a bit easier to setup given it is an all in one service, but still. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100628185109.gg2...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: status of skype amd64
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Is there a provider that provides a SIP to land-line jump like skype but using SIP..? Hundreds if not thousands of them. Look up DID service providers. For example: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/DID+Service+Providers Thanks for the link! I imagine Skype wishes people didn't know they had other options. Skype may be a bit easier to setup given it is an all in one service, but still. What about Gizmo5? Can it be set-up to use a random SIP provider? Liviu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktil13psqamnjy1n5as90lgvftz3ycypqvwlut...@mail.gmail.com
Re: status of skype amd64
Lennart Sorensen wrote: Until some day skype decides to open their protocol and actually play nice with anyone else, rather than try to build a VoIP monopoly, it simply won't happen. I just tell people to not use skype. :) Everyone else uses SIP. Is there a provider that provides a SIP to land-line jump like skype but using SIP..? Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 While understanding one's problems may be a good thing; it doesn't make them go away. -kps -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c26bdcf.9010...@xtronics.com
Re: status of skype amd64
Lennart, I just tell people to not use skype. :) Everyone else uses SIP. I think you are right. A VoIP monopol, that would be a real bad thing. So i'll try to suggest SIP first to anyone. I think it boils down to multiple IMs open at the same time, but that's the price. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100625031433.596d4...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: status of skype amd64
Michael codejod...@gmx.ch writes:
Thanks for your suggestions !
There seem to be at least 3 versions of debian packages:
skype-debian_2.1.0.81-1_i386.deb
skype_static-2.1.0.81.tar.bz2
skype-ubuntu-intrepid_2.1.0.81-1_amd64.deb
You want the amd64 package even though that contains the just the 32bit
binary as well. But it depends on ia2-libs and doesn't need
--force-architecture.
But i could not get any of these working beyond the license agreement resp.
login.
I found this hint in the skype packages README:
* On Debian amd64 version Skype crashes on startup with the message:
Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 623: _dl_open: Assertion
`_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)-r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!
This seems to be Debian only issue with 32 bit PulseAudio libraries being
installed even if PulseAudio is not active, a workaround can be:
- Debian Lenny:
sudo chmod a-r /usr/lib32/libpulse{-simple.so.0.0.1,.so.0.4.1}
- Debian Squeeze:
sudo chmod a-r
/usr/lib32/libpulse{-simple.so.0.0.2,.so.0.8.0,common-0.9.15.so}
Or download the current i386 libpulse deb from debian and unpack it over
ia2-libs. Given it works in ubuntu this is probably just a version skew
and an update of libpulse* should fix it.
If not we need to know that too.
MfG
Goswin
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Re: status of skype amd64
Thanks for your suggestions !
There seem to be at least 3 versions of debian packages:
skype-debian_2.1.0.81-1_i386.deb
skype_static-2.1.0.81.tar.bz2
skype-ubuntu-intrepid_2.1.0.81-1_amd64.deb
But i could not get any of these working beyond the license agreement resp.
login.
I found this hint in the skype packages README:
* On Debian amd64 version Skype crashes on startup with the message:
Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 623: _dl_open: Assertion
`_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)-r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!
This seems to be Debian only issue with 32 bit PulseAudio libraries being
installed even if PulseAudio is not active, a workaround can be:
- Debian Lenny:
sudo chmod a-r /usr/lib32/libpulse{-simple.so.0.0.1,.so.0.4.1}
- Debian Squeeze:
sudo chmod a-r
/usr/lib32/libpulse{-simple.so.0.0.2,.so.0.8.0,common-0.9.15.so}
But there are other apps which need libpulse, like avidemux or (i think)
amarok, and i don't want to 'corrupt' the system.
Another option seem to be to setup a special skype 32bit library repository and
extend the users LD path. Maybe i'll try that next.
It seems skype is not included into the debian ia32 list of programs ? And yes,
there isn't any official skype package in non-free. I just wonder why.
Hmm, so what woul dbe alternatives, considereing some people out there want to
'skype' for business. Is there any IM program that can flawless manage
accounts of different protocols like Sykpe, ICQ or SIP, altogether ? Pidgin
seems to just call the skype app, so it requires a working skype installation.
But is there a software that doesn't ?
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Re: status of skype amd64
2010/6/15 Jaime Ochoa Malagón chp...@gmail.com: you need to install the (ubuntu) amd64 package with ia32-libs... http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/ I have ia32-apt-get and use the normal package... If you experience crashes with this set-up, try (re)moving /usr/lib32/libpulse* on each Desktop log-on. Liviu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimwaycetakemoogfeeklzn32ijfcsvd85zom...@mail.gmail.com
status of skype amd64
Hello, Does anybody know what's the state of skype for amd64 ? My first try was, i installed skype-debian_2.1.0.81-1_i386.deb with dpkg --force (btw weird, it does not appear in the apt database afterwards!) Then i launched 'skype' via user and got an error: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 611: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)-r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed! So there my question. system info: # Machine: x86_64 # Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-4-amd64 (custom) # Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid libc6 2.11.2-1 ia32-libs 20090808 libasound2 1.0.23-1 libasound2-plugins 1.0.23-1 libqt4-dbus 4:4.6.3-1 libqt4-assistant4:4.6.3-1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100615015737.740aa...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: status of skype amd64
you need to install the (ubuntu) amd64 package with ia32-libs... http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/ I have ia32-apt-get and use the normal package... On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Michael codejod...@gmx.ch wrote: Hello, Does anybody know what's the state of skype for amd64 ? My first try was, i installed skype-debian_2.1.0.81-1_i386.deb with dpkg --force (btw weird, it does not appear in the apt database afterwards!) Then i launched 'skype' via user and got an error: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 611: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)-r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed! So there my question. system info: # Machine: x86_64 # Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-4-amd64 (custom) # Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid libc6 2.11.2-1 ia32-libs 20090808 libasound2 1.0.23-1 libasound2-plugins 1.0.23-1 libqt4-dbus 4:4.6.3-1 libqt4-assistant 4:4.6.3-1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100615015737.740aa...@mirrors.kernel.org -- Perhaps the depth of love can be calibrated by the number of different selves that are actively involved in a given relationship. Carl Sagan (Contact) Absolute certainty is a privilege of uneducated minds-and fanatics. It is, for scientific folk, an unattainable ideal. Cassius J. Keyser Jaime Ochoa Malagón Arquitecto de Soluciones Cel: +52 (55) 1021 0774 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik4-iuqm2tlullcvicqynxoixvwdpfjqnskk...@mail.gmail.com
Skype 2.1 with ia32-libs Was: ia32-aptitude vs. aptitude
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 18:30, Dave Witbrodt dawit...@sbcglobal.net wrote: For now, the officially supported solution is 'ia32-libs' again. The officially-supported multiarch solution is on the way relatively soon, so you'll have to decide whether to keep Goswin's no-longer-official packages until it arrives, or remove Goswin's packages and go back to 'ia32-libs'. Well. I went back to ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk and I have to download the Ubuntu AMD64 version from Skype again so I can install it without having to force it to do it by using the i386 version. But, I founded that the new Skype version doesn't work with the ia32-libs official package from Debian repositories unless you delete some files from /usr/lib32 as suggested on the post referenced on bug #546281. This is just to let others knows if they have the same problem than me :-) Greetings. Ernesto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Skype 2.1 with ia32-libs Was: ia32-aptitude vs. aptitude
On Sat, September 26, 2009 10:14, Ernesto Domato wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 18:30, Dave Witbrodt dawit...@sbcglobal.net wrote: For now, the officially supported solution is 'ia32-libs' again. The officially-supported multiarch solution is on the way relatively soon, so you'll have to decide whether to keep Goswin's no-longer-official packages until it arrives, or remove Goswin's packages and go back to 'ia32-libs'. Well. I went back to ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk and I have to download the Ubuntu AMD64 version from Skype again so I can install it without having to force it to do it by using the i386 version. But, I founded that the new Skype version doesn't work with the ia32-libs official package from Debian repositories unless you delete some files from /usr/lib32 as suggested on the post referenced on bug #546281. This is just to let others knows if they have the same problem than me :-) Why don't you just use the statically compiled version? Unpack it in a directory and run it from there. Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Skype 2.1 with ia32-libs Was: ia32-aptitude vs. aptitude
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 22:00, Sam Varghese s...@gnubies.com wrote: Why don't you just use the statically compiled version? Unpack it in a directory and run it from there. The statically compiled version has the same problem and solution that the .deb package version. You'll have to delete the /usr/lib32/libpulse.* Ernesto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
A J Stiles wrote: On Tuesday 21 Jul 2009, James Brown wrote: I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims. I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones. But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the Putins secret political police such SORM can control all my outgoing calles through ekiga and SIP. Are you really so naïve as to think that Governments haven't paid the developers of Skype to insert a backdoor? That could explain part of the reason why they are so dead set against anybody else getting their hands on the Source Code. Putin's and Medvedev's bloody terror dictatorial band already are going to ban using skype and other VoIP in Russia: http://www.point.ru/news/stories/20598/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 01:55:57PM +0400, James Brown wrote: The fact skype is p2p is part of why I hate it. It is a complete nightmare to try and deal with on company networks. Trying to allow skype (because some people insist on it being amazingly useful) while blocking other p2p traffic is very very hard. As a specialist in the matters of blocking P2P, could you advice any mesuares for users for avoding blocking P2P from company/country's firewall etc.? I am afraid that the terrible Pustin's dictatorial regim intend to take measures banning P2P, VoIP etc. in Russia: http://www.point.ru/news/stories/20598/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 01:54:35PM +0400, James Brown wrote: As a specialist in the matters of blocking P2P, could you advice any mesuares for users for avoding blocking P2P from company/country's firewall etc.? I am afraid that the terrible Pustin's dictatorial regim intend to take measures banning P2P, VoIP etc. in Russia: http://www.point.ru/news/stories/20598/ I just have a perl script run every minute that checks the netfilter connection tracking for things that behave like p2p traffic and then firewalls that connection for an hour. It has been rather effective so far. I had to add an exception for very low bandwidth p2p traffic in order to allow skype. Fortunately none of the actualy p2p file sharers are willing to try and share files that slowly so it works OK. Occationally something gets through in which case we just track down who is flooding the internet link and go apply a clue bat. :) One person got annoying enough that they are now restricted to ftp, http and https traffic only. All other traffic is blocked for that user. They haven't complained yet. Expensive packet inspection tools would probably work better, but I don't have one and really don't want to have to have one. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:59:34AM +0400, James Brown wrote: I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims. I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones. But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the Putins secret political police such SORM can control all my outgoing calles through ekiga and SIP. Why would you trust skype to be secure? Have they told you what algorithm they use for encryption? Do you have the source code to verify it? You would have to be crazy to rely on skype for that. Becouse it I think it needs to build new system of internet telephony like skype but running under open sourse programs and protocols. I think it need that new open-source built VoIP network system will operate on a peer-to-peer model, that user directory will be entirely decentralized and distributed among the nodes in the network, and use encrypted connection insluding connetion with the exit node when making calls to ordinary telephones. I think that building such system will protect anonymity and privacy of people and independence each of us from goverments, corporations etc. control, becouse we will be able to call each other without any state or corporate control over our telephone calls. But now it is not exist any such VoIP system based on open sourses. I really don't trust skype but I know that today any secret services of Russia cannot establish real control skype-connections. I know it from the officers of the Russian FSB which really interested (on corruption base) to find one user of skype and didn't be able to do it. But I am not sure that tomorrow the skype team or the US' security services (which perhaps execute control over the skype team) will not give information about skype users and their contacts to the Russia authorities. Furtherinafter, I (and each of us, I think) want to be able having connections with other people absolutely free from any control neither only Russian authorities nor any state secret services and any corporations and groups of people existing in the world. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
A J Stiles wrote: On Tuesday 21 Jul 2009, James Brown wrote: I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims. I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones. But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the Putins secret political police such SORM can control all my outgoing calles through ekiga and SIP. Are you really so naïve as to think that Governments haven't paid the developers of Skype to insert a backdoor? That could explain part of the reason why they are so dead set against anybody else getting their hands on the Source Code. If it's encrypted telephony you want, you can always tunnell an IAX connection through OpenSSH. The only secrets then are the session keys; and when you sever the connection, you can even publish the used keys, thus allowing you plausibly to claim that any remaining encrypted data found on your system was placed there afterward and re-datestamped. 1. How can I maintain my anonimity when establishing this connection? How can I be sure that an owner of far host don't write logs and don't give or sell or etc. them to the Government? I don't want let them know not only about I talked but my ip-adress and my phisical location too. 2. How can I use this scheme when calling to ordinary telephones, mobile etc.? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Wednesday 22 Jul 2009, James Brown wrote: 1. How can I maintain my anonimity when establishing this [IAX tunnelled through SSH] connection? Using the mechanisms already built into SSH. If you are concerned about MITM attacks, then you will need a secure backchannel to exchange key fingerprints beforehand. You aren't anonymous to the far end of the connection; that's kind of the point. You always know who is leaning over and whispering in your ear. How can I be sure that an owner of far host don't write logs and don't give or sell or etc. them to the Government? Because the person on the far end is someone you trust. Otherwise you wouldn't be talking to them. Beside which, this problem exists with all communication channels. If your data passes through some intermediate host over which you have no control, well, it's encrypted so useless to them. And once your used keys are in the public domain, then they could have made it all up :) I don't want let them know not only about I talked but my ip-adress and my phisical location too. Unless you are on a business-grade service, your IP address changes regularly. You might be able to use some TOR variant, though I have no practical experience of this. Beside which, you do not know for a fact that Skype does not pass on information you would rather it did not to someone you would rather it did not. 2. How can I use this scheme when calling to ordinary telephones, mobile etc.? Through a secure VOIP-to-POTS gateway. (You then are at the mercy not only of the gateway's operator, but also the existing phone network. As is exactly the case with a Skype-to-POTS gateway.) -- AJS delta echo bravo six four at earthshod dot co dot uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
A J Stiles wrote: On Wednesday 22 Jul 2009, James Brown wrote: 1. How can I maintain my anonimity when establishing this [IAX tunnelled through SSH] connection? Using the mechanisms already built into SSH. If you are concerned about MITM attacks, then you will need a secure backchannel to exchange key fingerprints beforehand. You aren't anonymous to the far end of the connection; that's kind of the point. You always know who is leaning over and whispering in your ear. How can I be sure that an owner of far host don't write logs and don't give or sell or etc. them to the Government? Because the person on the far end is someone you trust. Otherwise you wouldn't be talking to them. Beside which, this problem exists with all communication channels. If your data passes through some intermediate host over which you have no control, well, it's encrypted so useless to them. And once your used keys are in the public domain, then they could have made it all up :) To have somebody you trust is very difficult. Even you can trust anybody he can be tort by somebody else :-) , for example. It needs to have a technical system which be able to give you needed guaranies for your security and anonimity. It will be very good if it is be created a VoIP network running like Tor. But I don't know anyone working like Tor. But the Tor itself doesn't work with UDP using in VoIP, only with TCP. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
A J Stiles wrote: On Wednesday 22 Jul 2009, James Brown wrote: 1. How can I maintain my anonimity when establishing this [IAX tunnelled through SSH] connection? Using the mechanisms already built into SSH. If you are concerned about MITM attacks, then you will need a secure backchannel to exchange key fingerprints beforehand. You aren't anonymous to the far end of the connection; that's kind of the point. You always know who is leaning over and whispering in your ear. How can I be sure that an owner of far host don't write logs and don't give or sell or etc. them to the Government? Because the person on the far end is someone you trust. Otherwise you wouldn't be talking to them. Beside which, this problem exists with all communication channels. If your data passes through some intermediate host over which you have no control, well, it's encrypted so useless to them. And once your used keys are in the public domain, then they could have made it all up :) I don't want let them know not only about I talked but my ip-adress and my phisical location too. Unless you are on a business-grade service, your IP address changes regularly. You might be able to use some TOR variant, though I have no practical experience of this. Beside which, you do not know for a fact that Skype does not pass on information you would rather it did not to someone you would rather it did not. To have somebody you trust is very difficult. Even you can trust anybody he can be tort by somebody else :-) , for example. It needs to have a technical system which be able to give you needed guaranies for your security and anonimity. It will be very good if it is be created a VoIP network running like Tor. But I don't know anyone working like Tor. But the Tor itself doesn't work with UDP using in VoIP, only with TCP. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
A J Stiles wrote: On Wednesday 22 Jul 2009, James Brown wrote: 1. How can I maintain my anonimity when establishing this [IAX tunnelled through SSH] connection? Using the mechanisms already built into SSH. If you are concerned about MITM attacks, then you will need a secure backchannel to exchange key fingerprints beforehand. You aren't anonymous to the far end of the connection; that's kind of the point. You always know who is leaning over and whispering in your ear. How can I be sure that an owner of far host don't write logs and don't give or sell or etc. them to the Government? Because the person on the far end is someone you trust. Otherwise you wouldn't be talking to them. Beside which, this problem exists with all communication channels. If your data passes through some intermediate host over which you have no control, well, it's encrypted so useless to them. And once your used keys are in the public domain, then they could have made it all up :) To have somebody you trust is very difficult. Even you can trust anybody he can be tort by somebody else :-) , for example. It needs to have a technical system which be able to give you needed guaranies for your security and anonimity. It will be very good if it is be created a VoIP network running like Tor. But I don't know anyone working like Tor. But the Tor itself doesn't work with UDP using in VoIP, only with TCP. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Qua, 22 Jul 2009, James Brown wrote: To have somebody you trust is very difficult. Could be, but this problem is something you cannot avoid. It is theoretically possible to encrypt a message in a way that it simply cannot be decrypted without the right key, not even given infinite time and infinite resources (google One Time Pad). It can even be used in practice, but it quite unpractical and brings other problems such as distribution of the keys. However, even if you could use a One Time Pad efficiently, nothing will ever prevent the other party in the communication to make public the message he received and that was so carefully protected. So if you do not trust the person on the other side of the line, then don't communicate with them, even if you can get the best encryption available. -- Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 01:55:57PM +0400, James Brown wrote: Becouse it I think it needs to build new system of internet telephony like skype but running under open sourse programs and protocols. I think it need that new open-source built VoIP network system will operate on a peer-to-peer model, that user directory will be entirely decentralized and distributed among the nodes in the network, and use encrypted connection insluding connetion with the exit node when making calls to ordinary telephones. I think that building such system will protect anonymity and privacy of people and independence each of us from goverments, corporations etc. control, becouse we will be able to call each other without any state or corporate control over our telephone calls. But now it is not exist any such VoIP system based on open sourses. I really don't trust skype but I know that today any secret services of Russia cannot establish real control skype-connections. I know it from the officers of the Russian FSB which really interested (on corruption base) to find one user of skype and didn't be able to do it. But I am not sure that tomorrow the skype team or the US' security services (which perhaps execute control over the skype team) will not give information about skype users and their contacts to the Russia authorities. Furtherinafter, I (and each of us, I think) want to be able having connections with other people absolutely free from any control neither only Russian authorities nor any state secret services and any corporations and groups of people existing in the world. The fact skype is p2p is part of why I hate it. It is a complete nightmare to try and deal with on company networks. Trying to allow skype (because some people insist on it being amazingly useful) while blocking other p2p traffic is very very hard. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 01:55:57PM +0400, James Brown wrote: Becouse it I think it needs to build new system of internet telephony like skype but running under open sourse programs and protocols. I think it need that new open-source built VoIP network system will operate on a peer-to-peer model, that user directory will be entirely decentralized and distributed among the nodes in the network, and use encrypted connection insluding connetion with the exit node when making calls to ordinary telephones. I think that building such system will protect anonymity and privacy of people and independence each of us from goverments, corporations etc. control, becouse we will be able to call each other without any state or corporate control over our telephone calls. But now it is not exist any such VoIP system based on open sourses. I really don't trust skype but I know that today any secret services of Russia cannot establish real control skype-connections. I know it from the officers of the Russian FSB which really interested (on corruption base) to find one user of skype and didn't be able to do it. But I am not sure that tomorrow the skype team or the US' security services (which perhaps execute control over the skype team) will not give information about skype users and their contacts to the Russia authorities. Furtherinafter, I (and each of us, I think) want to be able having connections with other people absolutely free from any control neither only Russian authorities nor any state secret services and any corporations and groups of people existing in the world. The fact skype is p2p is part of why I hate it. It is a complete nightmare to try and deal with on company networks. Trying to allow skype (because some people insist on it being amazingly useful) while blocking other p2p traffic is very very hard. What is needing to block p2p traffic? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 07:36:04PM +0400, James Brown wrote: What is needing to block p2p traffic? Because users are idiots. When you have 250 people sharing a 3Mbit internet link, you do not need idiots running p2p file sharing. Or even worse, p2p video streaming (like CNN's garbage system, and that tv brodcast thing from india that I don't remember the name of right now, and many others). We will be moving to a 10Mbit link next month, but that still doesn't mean p2p file sharing at work is a good idea. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 06:20:04PM +0400, James Brown wrote: It will be very interesting if anybody skilled in programming will create an open sourse analogue programm like the skype. There are plenty, like ekiga and such. They have the advantage of using open standards like SIP, h.323 and such, unlike skype which uses a horrible p2p protocol that only skype understands. Skype's only purpose is to get everybody locked in to their private standard. They are almsot as bad as microsoft that way. I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims. I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones. But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the Putins secret political police such SORM can control all my outgoing calles through ekiga and SIP. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Am 21.07.2009 um 09:59 schrieb James Brown: ... I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims. I (and many people in my country - x1, when existing terrible and bloody dictatorship of tyrants x2x and x3 ) need to have an encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones. But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the x3 secret political police such x4 can control all my outgoing calles through ekiga and SIP. x1 may be Germany? x2 may be Merkel? x3 may be Schäuble? x4 may be BND? And that's why you like to use an closed source application that is in question of connecting foreign secret services to their servers? That can not be monitored by the community? But as ekiga is on the linux side of life, you can use zphone to secure your sip calls. If it's a matter of life and death you should consider something more secure. Build an openvpn connection and you can use any communication system with it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Tuesday 21 Jul 2009, James Brown wrote: I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims. I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones. But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the Putins secret political police such SORM can control all my outgoing calles through ekiga and SIP. Are you really so naïve as to think that Governments haven't paid the developers of Skype to insert a backdoor? That could explain part of the reason why they are so dead set against anybody else getting their hands on the Source Code. If it's encrypted telephony you want, you can always tunnell an IAX connection through OpenSSH. The only secrets then are the session keys; and when you sever the connection, you can even publish the used keys, thus allowing you plausibly to claim that any remaining encrypted data found on your system was placed there afterward and re-datestamped. -- AJS delta echo bravo six four at earthshod dot co dot uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: -- SPAM -- Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On 2009-07-21 02:59, James Brown wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 06:20:04PM +0400, James Brown wrote: It will be very interesting if anybody skilled in programming will create an open sourse analogue programm like the skype. There are plenty, like ekiga and such. They have the advantage of using open standards like SIP, h.323 and such, unlike skype which uses a horrible p2p protocol that only skype understands. Skype's only purpose is to get everybody locked in to their private standard. They are almsot as bad as microsoft that way. I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims. I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an rant=political And for how many years did western know-it-all Blue State intelligentsia whine and moan about W and Cheney and Gitmo, while having *no fscking clue* as to what a real dictatorship is??? /rant encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones. But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the Putins secret political police such SORM can control all my outgoing calles through ekiga and SIP. Tunnel it thru SSL or SSH? (Would require cooperation of person on other end with compatible h/w, of course, and the FSB might wonder why you send so much encrypted data.) -- Scooty Puff, Sr The Doom-Bringer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:59:34AM +0400, James Brown wrote: I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims. I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones. But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the Putins secret political police such SORM can control all my outgoing calles through ekiga and SIP. Why would you trust skype to be secure? Have they told you what algorithm they use for encryption? Do you have the source code to verify it? You would have to be crazy to rely on skype for that. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:30 AM, A J Stilesde...@earthshod.co.uk wrote: On Tuesday 21 Jul 2009, James Brown wrote: I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims. I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones. But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the Putins secret political police such SORM can control all my outgoing calles through ekiga and SIP. Are you really so naïve as to think that Governments haven't paid the developers of Skype to insert a backdoor? That could explain part of the reason why they are so dead set against anybody else getting their hands on the Source Code. Do you really believe a horribly inept and inefficient government is going to have the computing power to search through and sort the massive amount of data produced from such an effort? Skype is closed source because of greed, eBay wants as much profit as they can possibly acquire from skype and that includes licensing the code to whomever. If it's encrypted telephony you want, you can always tunnell an IAX connection through OpenSSH. The only secrets then are the session keys; and when you sever the connection, you can even publish the used keys, thus allowing you plausibly to claim that any remaining encrypted data found on your system was placed there afterward and re-datestamped. Of course, if you really are living in a dictatorship, you've just raised a red flag by using known protocols and no amount of deniability will help you. If you are discussing things that will have repercussions from dictatorial governments, do not do so in a public place which is what the Internet is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Aníbal Monsalve Salazar ani...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:28:33AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 02:17:04PM +1000, Anibal Monsalve Salazar wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:53:43AM +0400, James Brown wrote: http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype/http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype-amd64/ Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for Debian? I'll see if I can build those packages using sid. I won't do it. See Joerg Jaspert's mail message. Please *stop* distributing this stuff from *any* .debian.org server. If you really want to use a private machine, but not the project servers. Stopped. It is also not neccessary as ia32-apt-get can utilize the official i386 repository just fine. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype/http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype-amd64/ Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for Debian? I'll see if I can build those packages using sid. Please *stop* distributing this stuff from *any* .debian.org server. If you really want to use a private machine, but not the project servers. And next time please *first* read their licenses. You know, its non-free software, it might be illegal to do such things. its easy: skype.com/legal. Select the Skype Software Distribution and Promotional Terms which is what fits here. Gets you to http://skype.com/legal/promote/;, which shows you http://skype.com/legal/promote/materials/; which tells you, with a lot of other text around: 1.3 You may use the Skype Online Material only for a legitimate purpose and provided that: c. You shall use Skype Online Material in such form as it is made available in the Skype Website, and shall not make any changes to the graphics or HTML source code or any other parts of Skype Online Material. What you do is *not* distributing it in such form as it is made available in the Skype Website. And you do make changes to parts of their stuff, even if its just repacking. And I hope that when you continue to provide the packages, you will follow point f. too. -- bye, Joerg Starting network management services: Warning: -s option is deprecated, use -Lsd instead Uah. snmpd on drugs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Joerg Jaspert wrote: http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype/http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype-amd64/ Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for Debian? I'll see if I can build those packages using sid. Please *stop* distributing this stuff from *any* .debian.org server. If you really want to use a private machine, but not the project servers. And next time please *first* read their licenses. You know, its non-free software, it might be illegal to do such things. its easy: skype.com/legal. Select the Skype Software Distribution and Promotional Terms which is what fits here. Gets you to http://skype.com/legal/promote/;, which shows you http://skype.com/legal/promote/materials/; which tells you, with a lot of other text around: 1.3 You may use the Skype Online Material only for a legitimate purpose and provided that: c. You shall use Skype Online Material in such form as it is made available in the Skype Website, and shall not make any changes to the graphics or HTML source code or any other parts of Skype Online Material. What you do is *not* distributing it in such form as it is made available in the Skype Website. And you do make changes to parts of their stuff, even if its just repacking. And I hope that when you continue to provide the packages, you will follow point f. too. It will be very interesting if anybody skilled in programming will create an open sourse analogue programm like the skype. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 06:20:04PM +0400, James Brown wrote: It will be very interesting if anybody skilled in programming will create an open sourse analogue programm like the skype. There are plenty, like ekiga and such. They have the advantage of using open standards like SIP, h.323 and such, unlike skype which uses a horrible p2p protocol that only skype understands. Skype's only purpose is to get everybody locked in to their private standard. They are almsot as bad as microsoft that way. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:28:33AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 02:17:04PM +1000, Anibal Monsalve Salazar wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:53:43AM +0400, James Brown wrote: http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype/http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype-amd64/ Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for Debian? I'll see if I can build those packages using sid. I won't do it. See Joerg Jaspert's mail message. Please *stop* distributing this stuff from *any* .debian.org server. If you really want to use a private machine, but not the project servers. Stopped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:53:43AM +0400, James Brown wrote: Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:22:16AM +0400, James Brown wrote: The http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/; is not found too. Do anybody know what is the matter with this resource? Please try: http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype/ http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype-amd64/ Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for Debian? I'll see if I can build those packages using sid. Very thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:53:43AM +0400, James Brown wrote: Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:22:16AM +0400, James Brown wrote: The http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/; is not found too. Do anybody know what is the matter with this resource? Please try: http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype/ http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype-amd64/ Hi Anibal, Do I need to make a new installation the skype packege from your repository or I can only to add your repository to my sours.list and order to my system aptitude update, aptitude safe-upgrade? Yours -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:53 +0400, James Brown wrote: Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for Debian? I am not aware of any DD maintaining skype packages, but Skype used to have a debian repository at: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free which might serve your needs. with kind regards Wolodja Wentland signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Wolodja Wentland wentl...@cl.uni-heidelberg.de writes: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:53 +0400, James Brown wrote: Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for Debian? I am not aware of any DD maintaining skype packages, but Skype used to have a debian repository at: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free which might serve your needs. with kind regards Wolodja Wentland At least with ia32-apt-get. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Wolodja Wentland wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:53 +0400, James Brown wrote: Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for Debian? I am not aware of any DD maintaining skype packages, but Skype used to have a debian repository at: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free which might serve your needs. But not for amd64 Cheers Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Michael Neuffer wrote: Wolodja Wentland wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:53 +0400, James Brown wrote: Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for Debian? I am not aware of any DD maintaining skype packages, but Skype used to have a debian repository at: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free which might serve your needs. But not for amd64 Cheers Mike I have an interest concerning the Skype for amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
This is what I did to get skype working on my Debian. apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk wget -O skype-install.deb http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu-amd64 dpkg -i skype-install.deb Regards. Andrés
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Hello, 2009/7/15 Andres Migliazzo list.debianli...@gmail.com This is what I did to get skype working on my Debian. apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk wget -O skype-install.deb http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu-amd64 dpkg -i skype-install.deb This works only on testing and lenny, or unstable pinned. Not working anymore with debian Sid. Regards. Andrés Ivan
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Michael Neuffer neuf...@neuffer.info writes: Wolodja Wentland wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:53 +0400, James Brown wrote: Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for Debian? I am not aware of any DD maintaining skype packages, but Skype used to have a debian repository at: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free which might serve your needs. But not for amd64 Cheers Mike Yes it does, with ia32-apt-get. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Michael Neuffer neuf...@neuffer.info writes: Wolodja Wentland wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:53 +0400, James Brown wrote: Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for Debian? I am not aware of any DD maintaining skype packages, but Skype used to have a debian repository at: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free which might serve your needs. But not for amd64 Cheers Mike Yes it does, with ia32-apt-get. I agree with you. You can install it as a 32bit package with ia32-apt-get (or as I did: either completely manually with some help from getlibs) I wish these stupid multi vs. bi-arch wars were finally over. as long as there is no finalised multi-arch infrastructure, I believe ia32-apt-get is a good thing. Cheers Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:53:43AM +0400, James Brown wrote: Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:22:16AM +0400, James Brown wrote: The http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/; is not found too. Do anybody know what is the matter with this resource? Please try: http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype/ http://people.debian.org/~anibal/skype-amd64/ Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for Debian? I'll see if I can build those packages using sid. -- Comment, vous faites tout le système du monde, vous donnez les lois de toute la création et dans tout votre livre vous ne parlez pas une seule fois de l'existence de Dieu! Laplace: Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Hi everybody, I had installed the skype package from the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/; and add the next in my source.list: deb http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64 ./ deb-src http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64 ./ Since yesterday I had the next error when ordering to the system aptitude update: Ош http://people.debian.org ./ Packages 404 Not Found Ош http://people.debian.org ./ Sources 404 Not Found The http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/; is not found too. Do anybody know what is the matter with this resource? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:22:16AM +0400, James Brown wrote: The http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/; is not found too. Do anybody know what is the matter with this resource? His home directory was removed from people.debian.org. At http://wiki.debian.org/RafaelLaboissiere, it reads: Update: I retired from Debian on 2009-06-11 -- Comment, vous faites tout le système du monde, vous donnez les lois de toute la création et dans tout votre livre vous ne parlez pas une seule fois de l'existence de Dieu! Laplace: Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là. Do you know will anybody intend to maintain the skype packages for Debian? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the matter with the http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/?
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 07:22:16AM +0400, James Brown wrote: The http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/; is not found too. Do anybody know what is the matter with this resource? His home directory was removed from people.debian.org. At http://wiki.debian.org/RafaelLaboissiere, it reads: Update: I retired from Debian on 2009-06-11 -- Comment, vous faites tout le système du monde, vous donnez les lois de toute la création et dans tout votre livre vous ne parlez pas une seule fois de l'existence de Dieu! Laplace: Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Skype after ia32-libs update?
Ivan Marin ispma...@gmail.com writes: 2009/7/7 Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de David david.mailli...@gmail.com writes: Thank you for you reply. Not, this does not work either (same output as before): I got it by downloading the .deb from skype's site, and # ia32-dpkg -i skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb # ia32-apt-get -f install I am submitting a bug report now. By the way, in order to keep up-to-date, do I need to do apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, ia32-apt-get update and ia32-apt-get dist-upgrade, all the four commands? Thank you, David Please Cc to me if replying. 2009/7/6 Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de Just the ia32-* commands. Is there any howto for the use of ia32-apt-get? Or just the Debian.README? Just the readme. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Skype after ia32-libs update?
Thank you for you reply. Not, this does not work either (same output as before): I got it by downloading the .deb from skype's site, and # ia32-dpkg -i skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb # ia32-apt-get -f install I am submitting a bug report now. By the way, in order to keep up-to-date, do I need to do apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, ia32-apt-get update and ia32-apt-get dist-upgrade, all the four commands? Thank you, David Please Cc to me if replying. 2009/7/6 Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de That is because ai32-apt-get, by popular demand, is no longer allowed to divert apt-get. You need to call ia32-apt-get or ia32-aptitude instead. See NEWS file in the package. MfG Goswin
Re: Skype after ia32-libs update?
David david.mailli...@gmail.com writes: Thank you for you reply. Not, this does not work either (same output as before): I got it by downloading the .deb from skype's site, and # ia32-dpkg -i skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb # ia32-apt-get -f install I am submitting a bug report now. By the way, in order to keep up-to-date, do I need to do apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, ia32-apt-get update and ia32-apt-get dist-upgrade, all the four commands? Thank you, David Please Cc to me if replying. 2009/7/6 Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de Just the ia32-* commands. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Skype after ia32-libs update?
2009/7/7 Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de David david.mailli...@gmail.com writes: Thank you for you reply. Not, this does not work either (same output as before): I got it by downloading the .deb from skype's site, and # ia32-dpkg -i skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb # ia32-apt-get -f install I am submitting a bug report now. By the way, in order to keep up-to-date, do I need to do apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, ia32-apt-get update and ia32-apt-get dist-upgrade, all the four commands? Thank you, David Please Cc to me if replying. 2009/7/6 Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de Just the ia32-* commands. Is there any howto for the use of ia32-apt-get? Or just the Debian.README? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Skype after ia32-libs update?
Bin Zhang yangtz...@gmail.com writes: Hi, On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Goswin von Brederlowgoswin-...@web.de wrote: David david.mailli...@gmail.com writes: By the way, in order to keep up-to-date, do I need to do apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, ia32-apt-get update and ia32-apt-get dist-upgrade, all the four commands? Thank you, David Please Cc to me if replying. 2009/7/6 Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de Just the ia32-* commands. Is there a workaround to get ia32-apt-get support in synaptic ? Thanks, Bin Maybe setting the same command line option that are used for apt. But I have no idea if that works. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Skype after ia32-libs update?
Thank you. I followed your steps, even after deleting /etc/ia32-apt and reinstalling ia32-apt-get (as the former directory did not update its sources.list's). But I am afraid that it does not work yet: # apt-get update [...] W: Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. # apt-get install skype Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package skype is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package skype has no installation candidate I am using the latest versions of all the packages. Should I file a bug report? Thank you, David Please Cc to me if replying
Re: Skype after ia32-libs update?
Doesn't look like a bug to me. More likely a pbkac. The web site's error is clear: 404 page not found. This usually indicates that the looked for page could not be found (what a surprise!). Possibly your apt-get configuration file is wrong, or possibly that the page is actually gone from Skype's website. On 6 Jul, 2009, at 15:27, David wrote: Thank you. I followed your steps, even after deleting /etc/ia32-apt and reinstalling ia32-apt-get (as the former directory did not update its sources.list's). But I am afraid that it does not work yet: # apt-get update [...] W: Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. # apt-get install skype Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package skype is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package skype has no installation candidate I am using the latest versions of all the packages. Should I file a bug report? Thank you, David Please Cc to me if replying -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Skype after ia32-libs update?
This is what I did to get skype working on my Debian. apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk wget -O skype-install.deb http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu-amd64 dpkg -i skype-install.deb Regards. Andrés
Re: Skype after ia32-libs update?
David david.mailli...@gmail.com writes: Thank you. I followed your steps, even after deleting /etc/ia32-apt and reinstalling ia32-apt-get (as the former directory did not update its sources.list's). But I am afraid that it does not work yet: # apt-get update [...] W: Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. # apt-get install skype Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package skype is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package skype has no installation candidate I am using the latest versions of all the packages. Should I file a bug report? Thank you, David Please Cc to me if replying That is because ai32-apt-get, by popular demand, is no longer allowed to divert apt-get. You need to call ia32-apt-get or ia32-aptitude instead. See NEWS file in the package. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Skype after ia32-libs update?
Hello, I have skype installed from deb http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64 ./ but after ia32-libs upgrade, skype does not work any more: $ skype skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXv.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I think this is because /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libXv.so.1 does not exist in the new version of ia32-libs (that is a dummy package, by the way). My first try was to write to skype amd64's maintainer, but as displayed at the bottom of http://people.debian.org/~rafael, he left Debian. So I would like to ask whether some of you got skype working, and how. Also, if there is any IT-knowledgable here, would anyone fancy maintaining skype in amd64 from now on? :-) Thank you very much in advance, David Please Cc to me if replying
Re: Skype after ia32-libs update?
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:03:59PM +0100, David wrote: I have skype installed from deb http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64 ./ but after ia32-libs upgrade, skype does not work any more: $ skype skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXv.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I think this is because /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libXv.so.1 does not exist in the new version of ia32-libs (that is a dummy package, by the way). My first try was to write to skype amd64's maintainer, but as displayed at the bottom of http://people.debian.org/~rafael, he left Debian. So I would like to ask whether some of you got skype working, and how. Also, if there is any IT-knowledgable here, would anyone fancy maintaining skype in amd64 from now on? :-) Well it might go back to working when the ia32-libs transition completes. Might be a few days or weeks to do all that thought. Looks like a lot of work. Or stick with libc and ia32-libs from testing for a while. Or you could just say no to vendor lockin and crappy network protocols. That's been my solution. :) -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Skype after ia32-libs update?
David david.mailli...@gmail.com writes: Hello, I have skype installed from deb http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64 ./ but after ia32-libs upgrade, skype does not work any more: $ skype skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXv.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I think this is because /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libXv.so.1 does not exist in the new version of ia32-libs (that is a dummy package, by the way). My first try was to write to skype amd64's maintainer, but as displayed at the bottom of http://people.debian.org/~rafael, he left Debian. So I would like to ask whether some of you got skype working, and how. Also, if there is any IT-knowledgable here, would anyone fancy maintaining skype in amd64 from now on? :-) Thank you very much in advance, David Please Cc to me if replying The ia32-libs/ia32-libs-gtk transition goes in two steps. The first installs a dummy package that pulls in ia32-apt-get and then it updates to depend on (nearly) all the 32bit libraries it once contained. So you need to apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade once more to complete the transition. You might also want to use the offial skype packages. From the upcoming versions README.Debian: 4) Example entry for skype -- Say you want to install a 3rd party debian package that is only available in 32bit, like skype. Then you add the following entry to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb [arch=i386] http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free The [arch=i386] flags this entry as 32bit only. Since you changed sources.list there is some post processing to do so ia32-apt-get knows about the change. After that update and install: /usr/share/ia32-apt-get/convert-all-sources.list apt-get update apt-get install skype MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Skype after ia32-libs update?
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:03:59PM +0100 David said: Hello, I have skype installed from deb http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64 ./ but after ia32-libs upgrade, skype does not work any more: $ skype skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXv.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I think this is because /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libXv.so.1 does not exist in the new version of ia32-libs (that is a dummy package, by the way). My first try was to write to skype amd64's maintainer, but as displayed at the bottom of http://people.debian.org/~rafael, he left Debian. So I would like to ask whether some of you got skype working, and how. Also, if there is any IT-knowledgable here, would anyone fancy maintaining skype in amd64 from now on? :-) I installed it some months ago using this guide: http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mennucc1/skype.html I run the testing stream and Skype works fine for me. Sam -- (Sam Varghese) http://www.gnubies.com Woman begins by resisting a man's advances and ends by blocking his retreat. My PGP key: http://www.gnubies.com/encryption/sign.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
skype again
well, My skype was OK except that there was no sound input from the mic of the HP Pavillon tx1420 Turion64x2 I don't know what happen but it refuses now (after I'd installed ESD?)to make a test call also. It stops warning me: problem with sound reproduction! someone with skype running could help me ? thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Skype 2.0 beta on debian sid amd64?
On Dec 10, 2007 7:37 AM, Lars Schimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I want to use the skype 2.0 beta .deb package on my debian amd64 sid system. I saw hell a lot of guides hwoto use chroot, but I don't want a chroot! Any guide available which is simple enough (e.g. just install some .deb and it works?)? Tecnically, you can't simply install the .deb in the 64-bit system, as it is for a 32-bit debian. In practice, you can try --force-architecture (or something similar), but there is no guarantee that there are packages with the 32-bit libraries that Skype needs, and even if there are, it might simply not work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype 2.0 beta on debian sid amd64?
Hi I want to use the skype 2.0 beta .deb package on my debian amd64 sid system. I saw hell a lot of guides hwoto use chroot, but I don't want a chroot! Any guide available which is simple enough (e.g. just install some .deb and it works?)? Tecnically, you can't simply install the .deb in the 64-bit system, as it is for a 32-bit debian. In practice, you can try --force-architecture (or something similar), but there is no guarantee that there are packages with the 32-bit libraries that Skype needs, and even if there are, it might simply not work. I have always had problem with force-architechture next time I try to upgrade. I have been running the static version of skype directly in my 64 bit system. I copy the binary to /usr/local/bin and run it without any problems or chroot. I just installed 2.0 beta. The 32-bit libXss.so.1* must be copied to /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib and then it runs smoothly. Hope it helps Gudjon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype 2.0 beta on debian sid amd64?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gudjon I. Gudjonsson wrote: Hi I want to use the skype 2.0 beta .deb package on my debian amd64 sid system. I saw hell a lot of guides hwoto use chroot, but I don't want a chroot! Any guide available which is simple enough (e.g. just install some .deb and it works?)? Tecnically, you can't simply install the .deb in the 64-bit system, as it is for a 32-bit debian. In practice, you can try --force-architecture (or something similar), but there is no guarantee that there are packages with the 32-bit libraries that Skype needs, and even if there are, it might simply not work. I have always had problem with force-architechture next time I try to upgrade. I have been running the static version of skype directly in my 64 bit system. I copy the binary to /usr/local/bin and run it without any problems or chroot. I just installed 2.0 beta. The 32-bit libXss.so.1* must be copied to /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib and then it runs smoothly. To bad, grabbed it, copy the folder into /opt/ and symlinked the bin file... Now it wants a libasound.so.2 lib... Hope it helps Gudjon MfG, Lars Schimmer - -- - - TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHXTgOmWhuE0qbFyMRAt3BAJwNz6kgdcL4Vr/6KF8T7NaOGWf7QACfdGcA Yq7Bde7KaLFnEpl4LzsVeIw= =qMF+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype 2.0 beta on debian sid amd64?
On 12/10/2007 10:37 AM, Lars Schimmer wrote: Hi! I want to use the skype 2.0 beta .deb package on my debian amd64 sid system. I saw hell a lot of guides hwoto use chroot, but I don't want a chroot! Any guide available which is simple enough (e.g. just install some .deb and it works?)? MfG, Lars Schimmer Hi Lars, I'm using it... but not the .deb package! ;-) Just download the static version, untar it and run... :-) Wait... I found a problem with a library Skype needed: it was the i386 version of libXss, iirc. To solve this little problem, simply download it from packages.debian.org, decompress the package with dpkg (-x option) and copy the libXss.* files in /usr/lib32 (pay attention not to copy it in /usr/lib or /usr/lib64, since you'd overwrite the 64bit version!). That's all... it works here! Hope it helps. mfv -- Matteo F. Vescovi mfv (at) fsugpadova (dot) org Free Software Users Group Padova http://www.fsugpadova.org GPG Fingerprint: 8EF0 F019 80D1 96BF C9C6 387E D6DE 031F 991F 9D2D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype 2.0 beta on debian sid amd64?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 HI! Ok. Now I installed all missing libs and it tells me nothing... I start skype in bash with skype and it opens a window, close it direct afterward and tells me aborted. Strange MfG, Lars Schimmer - -- - - TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHXUlBmWhuE0qbFyMRAg0QAJwK+i0PbROanmyLa4Kb+PXdzPufLQCfXI8p D40cnMEVbn6CyuJ35aEYpNg= =f3aa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype 2.0 beta on debian sid amd64?
Hi Lars, Now I installed all missing libs and it tells me nothing... I start skype in bash with skype and it opens a window, close it direct afterward and tells me aborted. Strange You could execute it with $ strace skype or using gdb $ gdb skype then run Hope this could help. Regards, -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, Morpheus, matrixhasu) My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype 2.0 beta on debian sid amd64? - solved, thx
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sandro Tosi wrote: Hi Lars, Now I installed all missing libs and it tells me nothing... I start skype in bash with skype and it opens a window, close it direct afterward and tells me aborted. Strange You could execute it with $ strace skype or using gdb $ gdb skype then run Hmm. A gdb trace showed nothing special. But I deleted ALL old files form a tried 1.4.x install and now it starts up and a sound appeared. Hope this could help. Regards, Thank you all :-) MfG, Lars Schimmer - -- - - TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHXVGZmWhuE0qbFyMRApJWAJ9RTbzr23YMNBJmaK9S7K6+XsO18wCbBotx PXabo5Nv2VTvbJpRvQ/HNss= =86gb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype 2.0 beta on debian sid amd64?
On Monday 10 Dec 2007, Lars Schimmer wrote: Hi! I want to use the skype 2.0 beta .deb package on my debian amd64 sid system. I saw hell a lot of guides hwoto use chroot, but I don't want a chroot! Any guide available which is simple enough (e.g. just install some .deb and it works?)? This is entirely Skype's fault, not Debian's. Skype is Caged software. The download is a pre-compiled binary which requires a certain system configuration, with exactly the right versions of exactly the right libraries in exactly the right places. If Skype simply made their Source Code available, then anybody would be able to compile it and run it on anything. And Skype would not lose anything; they already give the binaries away for nothing, for crying out loud! In fact, they'd end up making a net gain in the long run; because VoIP using the (Free) SIP and IAX protocols is already big, and it would be bigger if not for interoperability concerns. Interoperability is something we all take for granted, every day, in every field except computers. When you buy any electrical appliance, you don't have to worry about whether it will work with the voltage and frequency in your home. When you buy a tethered phone, you don't have to worry about whether it will work with your local exchange. When you buy a car, you don't have to worry about whether it will work with the fuel available in your area. I believe the town of Baltimore, Maryland learned an important lesson on the subject of interoperability in 1904. The best thing to do is to write to your Elected Representative and ask for a law, mandating user access to Source Code. Otherwise, it's a matter of time before something really serious happens that would have been prevented if Caged software were banned. -- AJS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype 2.0 beta on debian sid amd64?
On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:37:52AM +0100, Lars Schimmer wrote: I want to use the skype 2.0 beta .deb package on my debian amd64 sid system. I saw hell a lot of guides hwoto use chroot, but I don't want a chroot! Any guide available which is simple enough (e.g. just install some .deb and it works?)? If they have an amd64 .deb then it should work. If they don't then you should use a chroot with a 32bit debian install to install it into. You can certainly bash it hard enough and force it, but the results are generally quite bad when one tries to force the packaging system to do things the wrong way. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype 2.0 beta on debian sid amd64?
Hi guys! The theory is quite simple (I hope...). One can just install, use '--foce-something' to bypass achiteture no match error, the .deb for i386. After that run ldd /usr/bin/skype | grep 'not found' this will list the 32 bits library files that skype binary executable can not find on your system. So you must get the debian package for 32bits that provides de missing libraries, unpack it -- dpkg-deb -x library-package.deb destdir/ -- and copy .so to '/usr/lib32' --- sudo cp destdir/usr/lib/*.so /usr/lib32/. Run ldconfig and the skype should run smoothely (this word is right???). I made this for skype and flashplugin for 32bits, now I have skype 32 running ok on amd64 and swiftfox render almost any site running flash(7,8,9...). There is a site that shows how to repackage skype 32 bits having all 32bits libraries needed within it, but I miss the url...(really, really sorry). I hope this help. Em Monday 10 December 2007, Lars Schimmer escreveu: Hi! I want to use the skype 2.0 beta .deb package on my debian amd64 sid system. I saw hell a lot of guides hwoto use chroot, but I don't want a chroot! Any guide available which is simple enough (e.g. just install some .deb and it works?)? MfG, Lars Schimmer -- - TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723 -- Schmitz, Marlon Régis Systems Engineer Chief of Research Laboratory [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] +55 51 3433 9875 Office +55 51 3433 9880 General +55 51 9198 2962 Mobile SKYPE: mrschmitz MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:135952389,mrschmitz JABBER: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
skype howto
hi I managed to install skype on my Debian/etch/amd64 box I wrote a short howto, in http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mennucc1/tips.html just in case someone else may find it helpful. a. -- Andrea Mennucc The EULA sounds like it was written by a team of lawyers who want to tell me what I can't do, and the GPL sounds like it was written by a human being who wants me to know what I can do. Anonymous,http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/420 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Skype?
Hi. Here is what I did: 00. Downloaded skype-1.4.0.74.deb from skype's web site. 01. Tried to install directly with dpkg (with --force-architecture) - skype didn't work. 02. Downloaded the static version from skype's web site - skype didn't work. 1. Installed a chroot as per the instructions on https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html 2. [In the chroot] Updated /etc/apt/sources.list. 3. [In the chroot] apt-get update 4. [In the chroot] dpkg -i skype-1.4.0.74.deb - Errors because of missing dependencies 5. [In the chroot] apt-get upgrade 6. schroot -c ia32 -p skype - now it works! Thanks all. Gilles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Skype?
On 6/17/07, Gilles Sadowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I have to [1] set up skype on an AMD64 installation. I think there was a discussion some time ago on the best way to achieve that, but the Debian ML archive seems to be down (3 or 4 days already), so I'd be glad if those who succeeded could provide me with some hints. Thanks and best regards, Gilles I used the instructions here: http://www.maxxer.it/?page=notsoweirdprograms Took a little while, but it worked fine in the end. -- Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to install Skype?
Hello. I have to [1] set up skype on an AMD64 installation. I think there was a discussion some time ago on the best way to achieve that, but the Debian ML archive seems to be down (3 or 4 days already), so I'd be glad if those who succeeded could provide me with some hints. Thanks and best regards, Gilles [1] FLOSS alternatives were not discussed :-( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Skype?
inside a chroot if you have one On 6/17/07, Gilles Sadowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I have to [1] set up skype on an AMD64 installation. I think there was a discussion some time ago on the best way to achieve that, but the Debian ML archive seems to be down (3 or 4 days already), so I'd be glad if those who succeeded could provide me with some hints. Thanks and best regards, Gilles [1] FLOSS alternatives were not discussed :-( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Perhaps the depth of love can be calibrated by the number of different selves that are actively involved in a given relationship. Carl Sagan (Contact) Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10
Re: How to install Skype?
Hi. inside a chroot if you have one No I don't have one, yet. Which program do you recommend, and how should I invoke it, in order to have everything (dependencies etc...) set up as easily as possible? Thanks, Gilles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Skype?
Hi I have a chroot but for skype I like more to use the static version and just copy skype to /usr/local/bin. Somehow it worked better than in chroot but I don't remember how :) Cheers Gudjon On Sunday 17 June 2007 19:05:22 Gilles Sadowski wrote: Hi. inside a chroot if you have one No I don't have one, yet. Which program do you recommend, and how should I invoke it, in order to have everything (dependencies etc...) set up as easily as possible? Thanks, Gilles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Skype?
This is what i remember with my old install : I use the .deb file and install it with dpkg --force-architecture Before you do this, with no chroot, you should install ia32-libs, lib32asound2 by your favorite installer (apt-get , synaptic ...) You must also download the 32bit libqt3-mt package and install it into /emul/ia32-linux with the ar or dpkg command... Hope this help you Christophe Gilles Sadowski a écrit : Hi. inside a chroot if you have one No I don't have one, yet. Which program do you recommend, and how should I invoke it, in order to have everything (dependencies etc...) set up as easily as possible? Thanks, Gilles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Skype?
This howto explian the chroot https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html I prefer to have the repository of skype in my /etc/apt/sources.list Just a couple of days ago the new version was downloaded with the update from aptitude. On 6/17/07, Gilles Sadowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. inside a chroot if you have one No I don't have one, yet. Which program do you recommend, and how should I invoke it, in order to have everything (dependencies etc...) set up as easily as possible? Thanks, Gilles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Perhaps the depth of love can be calibrated by the number of different selves that are actively involved in a given relationship. Carl Sagan (Contact) Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10
Re: Skype from http://v0n0.altervista.org/
On 12/1/05, Lars Schimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! Has anyone beside me problems with the latest .deb for skype from http://v0n0.altervista.org/ ? Here skype won't start at all, but the first version of skype from that rep did work well enough. Cya Lars - -- - - TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik WissensVisualisierung Tel.: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xB87A0E03 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDjtVdVguzrLh6DgMRAuEsAJ4uQ3V8w+X0exA8tERSWYYuXtXHfQCfQzVx I2fviE/h8/hRpNV86sj2J50= =QZ4i -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype from http://v0n0.altervista.org/
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 v0n0 wrote: On 12/1/05, v0n0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/1/05, Lars Schimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! Has anyone beside me problems with the latest .deb for skype from http://v0n0.altervista.org/ ? Here skype won't start at all, but the first version of skype from that rep did work well enough. Which problems do you experience? Like in the other Email, it didn't start. But now I solved it: Your skype package misses the dependancy of skype on lib32xft2. I installed the lib32xft2 package and it worked well enough like before. Cya Lars - -- - - TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik WissensVisualisierung Tel.: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key-ID: 0xB87A0E03 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDjvTfVguzrLh6DgMRAmlKAJ41pt0S6qPzHLUTDe3C1qT4ntnuhwCcCuNc SucPHU9+e4KwZmap+Ug/YG4= =BBTK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype from http://v0n0.altervista.org/
Lars Schimmer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! Has anyone beside me problems with the latest .deb for skype from http://v0n0.altervista.org/ ? Here skype won't start at all, but the first version of skype from that rep did work well enough. Cya Lars - -- Brother had problems with upgrades on Windows since Ebay took over.His solution was to use gizmo, unfortunately still proprietary, but conforms to sip standrd and is cross platform. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype from http://v0n0.altervista.org/
On 12/1/05, Lars Schimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like in the other Email, it didn't start. But now I solved it: Your skype package misses the dependancy of skype on lib32xft2. I installed the lib32xft2 package and it worked well enough like before. This is not right since I uploaded an updated ia32-libs (1.5-200511xx). I forgot to change skype deps to install it. Please remove lib32xft2, upgrade ia32-libs and retry it!
skype and artsdsp
Hello everybody, I have downloaded and installed the static version of skype on my sid box (not inside a chroot). Using ia32-libs and the libXcursor.so.1 and libXft.so.2 from the chroot 32bit directory I can run it; but when I run it trough artsdsp (following the suggestions on the skype web page on how to setup sound) I get the following error: ./skype: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libartsdsp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory In my /usr/lib/ libartsdsp.so.0 is a symbolic link pointing to libartsdsp.so.0.0.0 I have also tried to put the same link in /emul/ia32-libs/lib but nothing has changed. Suggestions?
Re: skype and artsdsp
Hi! Michelasso wrote: Hello everybody, I have downloaded and installed the static version of skype on my sid box (not inside a chroot). Using ia32-libs and the libXcursor.so.1 and libXft.so.2 from the chroot 32bit directory I can run it; but when I run it trough artsdsp (following the suggestions on the skype web page on how to setup sound) I get the following error: ./skype: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libartsdsp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory This use to mean that the program can't load that library, in this case I think that the libartsdsp.so.0 (or the file the link points to) is a 64bits library, thus your 32bits binary can't read it. I think that there should be a way of keeping 32/64bits libraries for alsa too, but I just don't know how to do it. maybe you would have to go for the chroot (again)... does anybody knows what is the state of multiarch?, I think that having a chroot is rather unconfortable. Hope this helps, Ildefonso Camargo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype?
I have skype in my chroot installed from the .deb file and it's working without problems for months now... On 7/12/05, Harald Dunkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrei Mikhailovsky wrote: Same here, has been running skype for about 6 months now. 32bit chroot, works like a charm :-) For me it doesn't. I have tried both the static version and the dynamic in the suggested chroot environment (based upon Sarge). It displays a Window with some unselectable menu options and a link saying Click here to login, then it is silent. ??? Regards Harri -- Engañarse por amor es el engaño más terrible; es una pérdida eterna para la que no hay compensación ni en el tiempo ni en la eternidad. Kierkegaard Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10
Re: Skype?
On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 11:25:12PM +0100, Andrei Mikhailovsky wrote: Same here, has been running skype for about 6 months now. 32bit chroot, works like a charm :-) I know this is a bit OT, but can somebody explain to me the allure of Skype when there is a huge SIP community, with soft phones, hard phones, and even the asterisk PBX in Linux? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype?
Am Dienstag 05 Juli 2005 14:24 schrieb John Goerzen: On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 11:25:12PM +0100, Andrei Mikhailovsky wrote: Same here, has been running skype for about 6 months now. 32bit chroot, works like a charm :-) I know this is a bit OT, but can somebody explain to me the allure of Skype when there is a huge SIP community, with soft phones, hard phones, and even the asterisk PBX in Linux? Skype != SIP Skype use a close souce protocol. :-( asterisk takes part of sip -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype?
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 07:24:30AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: I know this is a bit OT, but can somebody explain to me the allure of Skype when there is a huge SIP community, with soft phones, hard phones, and even the asterisk PBX in Linux? Asterisk PBX is for running real phone systems (not VoIP) over T1/E1 (24/32 voice channels) and analog phone lines. It does extensions and voicemail and all that other good stuff you would want in an office phone system for thousands less than nortel and company charge while being easier to configure (it would be hard to make things harder to configure than a nortel BCM). skype and other VoIP systems are for making phone calls over the internet to other VoIP users, and on some systems (I believe skype is one of them) it also deals with transfering the call to a normal telephone and vice versa. I am pretty sure asterisk also allows for VoIP but that is certainly not its main purpose. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype?
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 09:26:02AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 07:24:30AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: I know this is a bit OT, but can somebody explain to me the allure of Skype when there is a huge SIP community, with soft phones, hard phones, and even the asterisk PBX in Linux? Asterisk PBX is for running real phone systems (not VoIP) over T1/E1 (24/32 voice channels) and analog phone lines. It does extensions and It does these things, yes, but it *does* do VOIP. I use it in my own home for precisely that purpose, and get 1.1 cent per minute long distance service from voxee.com right now. I also use fwdnet.net to make calls over the Internet to other VOIP users. skype and other VoIP systems are for making phone calls over the internet to other VoIP users, and on some systems (I believe skype is one of them) it also deals with transfering the call to a normal telephone and vice versa. I am pretty sure asterisk also allows for VoIP but that is certainly not its main purpose. I would argue with you about that, but in any case, asterisk is by no means the only VOIP software in Debian that can speak the standard SIP protocol. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype?
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2005 15:35 schrieb John Goerzen: On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 09:26:02AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 07:24:30AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: I know this is a bit OT, but can somebody explain to me the allure of Skype when there is a huge SIP community, with soft phones, hard phones, and even the asterisk PBX in Linux? Asterisk PBX is for running real phone systems (not VoIP) over T1/E1 (24/32 voice channels) and analog phone lines. It does extensions and It does these things, yes, but it *does* do VOIP. I use it in my own home for precisely that purpose, and get 1.1 cent per minute long distance service from voxee.com right now. I also use fwdnet.net to make calls over the Internet to other VOIP users. skype and other VoIP systems are for making phone calls over the internet to other VoIP users, and on some systems (I believe skype is one of them) it also deals with transfering the call to a normal telephone and vice versa. I am pretty sure asterisk also allows for VoIP but that is certainly not its main purpose. I would argue with you about that, but in any case, asterisk is by no means the only VOIP software in Debian that can speak the standard SIP protocol. Just try kphone, it does the same. I use it with sipgate.de. Best regards Hans -- Firma Ullrich-IT-Consult Inh.: Hans-J. Ullrich Münstedter Weg 10 31246 Oberg Tel.: 0160 8156 079 ICQ: 113448999 Ihr Berater für Ihre IT-Probleme ! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Skype?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) writes: On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 07:24:30AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: I know this is a bit OT, but can somebody explain to me the allure of Skype when there is a huge SIP community, with soft phones, hard phones, and even the asterisk PBX in Linux? Asterisk PBX is for running real phone systems (not VoIP) over T1/E1 (24/32 voice channels) and analog phone lines. This is just plain wrong. I use Asterisk at home, and all my asterisk installation does is take incoming SIP calls, forward them to my SIP hardware phone, and vice versa. No real telco hardware involved. SO saying it is *not* for VoIP is just wrong. -- CYa, Mario pgpmVBOG2rb3N.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Skype?
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 14:26, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 07:24:30AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
I know this is a bit OT, but can somebody explain to me the allure of
Skype when there is a huge SIP community, with soft phones, hard phones,
and even the asterisk PBX in Linux?
Asterisk PBX is for running real phone systems (not VoIP) over T1/E1
(24/32 voice channels) and analog phone lines. It does extensions and
voicemail and all that other good stuff you would want in an office
phone system for thousands less than nortel and company charge while
being easier to configure (it would be hard to make things harder to
configure than a nortel BCM).
skype and other VoIP systems are for making phone calls over the
internet to other VoIP users, and on some systems (I believe skype is
one of them) it also deals with transfering the call to a normal
telephone and vice versa. I am pretty sure asterisk also allows for
VoIP but that is certainly not its main purpose.
Len Sorensen
Telephony is really as broad a subject as computers, so it is not surprising
that there exists some confusion!
The company where I work use Asterisk internally. It provides a VOIP
telephone exchange, which can be as simple or as complex as you like. When
used in conjunction with suitable hardware, it can be used to connect to a
real world telephone line. We have two E1 lines {= 60 B-channels}.
Asterisk speaks to both of them, and also interfaces with a multi-channel
modem card which we use for sending FAXes via the ISDN.
If the recipient has a simple analogue telephone or FAX, their local exchange
deals with the A-to-D and D-to-A conversion.
Asterisk speaks SIP and IAX, which are open protocols; but not Skype. Skype
is a closed protocol. If the Skype company ever goes T.U., then any
investment you have made in it is instantly worthless -- and you could be
left without any phone service! No single entity controls SIP telephony, and
so there is no chance that this could happen. Another player would step into
the breach.
Of course, the long-term answer to this situation would be an outright ban on
proprietary protocols. Since it is part of Common Law Property Rights that
one is automatically privy to any secret embodied in any article that one
rightfully owns, this prohibition probably exists already but is obviously
being widely flouted.
--
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