Bug#804315: [ralph.amis...@gmail.com: outrageous, thievery]

[Ed Dixon]

John is your reply to mine suggesting that Daniels message should be
shared? If so you have read much more into it than what I said. I think I
must be misunderstanding your point and reading it wrong. I think it may be
in reply to his message or even this whole mess but even so I still
strongly disagree with what you wrote. Can you clarify your point here for
us more?

Thanks,

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 8:46 AM John D. Hendrickson 
wrote:

> absolutely rediculous.  it's a GPL free source open system
>
> your supposed to use it in your SPARE time not your business time.
>
> you are NOT supposed to using it for private development without
> funding.  perhaps if a proffesor, paid for such things, and have chosen
> to do so (ie, GRUB is a good example of that, or "gv" ghost view (orig
> and improved) as well).  otherwise it is strictly about hobby time.
>
> (if used for business your totally assume risk, and the world is full of
> books and information to tell you that)
>
> you could accuse "someone" of intently wasting others time by reverse
> engineered uploads to cause intentional time/investment losses (ie,
> inserting build failures to give others headaches): that's illegal since
> the days of Rome.  and it's not easy to prove (perhaps intently, perhaps
> not).
>
> you have absolutely no right to complain about "others using your
> donated time".  zero, none.
>
>
>  > usting. It is nasty. A bit strange to think that I
> "know" some of those guys.
>
> My interest in Debian pEd Dixon wrote:
> > Be sure to share Daniels story via social media using the buttons on his
> > blog. I hope it wakes up the entire community to what happens when you
> > actually do something right around here! https://t.co/NwWs9AfW87 Thanks,
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:15 PM Richard Newton  > > wrote:
> >
> > I agree, shame on those responsible. I have been using Debian for
> > almost 15 years and this is the first time I have been ashamed. Add
> > my name to the record "of conscientious objection."
> >
> > RIchard Newton
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Ralph Amissah
> > mailto:ralph.amis...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I post not in anger but sadness, I should not let my voice go
> > uncounted.
> >
> > Attached is my note to Daniel of earlier today, before his
> > posting of
> > "an abrupt end to Debian Live". Debian Live which he said Debian
> > should
> > have (as a Debian developer) in 2006 and went on to deliver,
> rather
> > nicely (with (and without) help).
> >
> > - Forwarded message from Ralph Amissah
> > mailto:ralph.amis...@gmail.com>> -
> >
> > From: Ralph Amissah  > >
> > To: Daniel Baumann
> > Subject: outrageous, thievery
> > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:28:44 -0500
> > Message-ID: <20151109142844.GA28261@niu>
> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30)
> >
> > Daniel, (already one of the more active Debian Developers then) I
> > remember you telling Debian at Debconf 2006, Mexico about how
> > "we"[1]
> > needed a live-maker within the project. I said then that I
> > thought this
> > one of the most important projects within Debian (I was
> > surprised that
> > there was not more interest and effort offered by others at the
> > time,
> > though there was some, those so keen now did not seem to pay
> > attention
> > then).  Already then it was clear that it would one day be able
> > to and
> > possibly be the preferred way to do a Debian install... as I
> said,
> > important. I saw how you contributed to Debian then, and I know
> > how you
> > have contributed since. Instead of welcoming you and your work,
> > there
> > seems to have been an effort to isolate you.
> >
> > Well clearly others have seen the fruits of your labor as a
> > threat and
> > with envy, and ripe for their plucking!
> >
> > Outrageous! Disgusting. It is nasty. A bit strange to think that
> I
> > "know" some of those guys.
> >
> > My interest in Debian proper, dropped with your earlier
> > treatment, it
> > took away the desire to be a closer part of it. At least that
> > took out
> > much of any idealized notion of the inner workings of it. And
> > there have
> > been other moves since. I continue to be amazed by the politics
> of
> > groups within Debian.  This though has the feel of blatant
> thievery.
> > Chals characterization of a dictatorial coup would seem to be
> most
> > accurate.
> >
> > It has no doubt to do with power (perhaps indirectly money is
> > involved
> > as well), your work & work area being seen as strategi

Bug#804315: [ralph.amis...@gmail.com: outrageous, thievery]

[Ed Dixon]

Be sure to share Daniels story via social media using the buttons on his
blog. I hope it wakes up the entire community to what happens when you
actually do something right around here! https://t.co/NwWs9AfW87 Thanks,

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:15 PM Richard Newton  wrote:

> I agree, shame on those responsible. I have been using Debian for almost
> 15 years and this is the first time I have been ashamed. Add my name to the
> record "of conscientious objection."
>
> RIchard Newton
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Ralph Amissah 
> wrote:
>
>> I post not in anger but sadness, I should not let my voice go uncounted.
>>
>> Attached is my note to Daniel of earlier today, before his posting of
>> "an abrupt end to Debian Live". Debian Live which he said Debian should
>> have (as a Debian developer) in 2006 and went on to deliver, rather
>> nicely (with (and without) help).
>>
>> - Forwarded message from Ralph Amissah 
>> -
>>
>> From: Ralph Amissah 
>> To: Daniel Baumann
>> Subject: outrageous, thievery
>> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:28:44 -0500
>> Message-ID: <20151109142844.GA28261@niu>
>> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30)
>>
>> Daniel, (already one of the more active Debian Developers then) I
>> remember you telling Debian at Debconf 2006, Mexico about how "we"[1]
>> needed a live-maker within the project. I said then that I thought this
>> one of the most important projects within Debian (I was surprised that
>> there was not more interest and effort offered by others at the time,
>> though there was some, those so keen now did not seem to pay attention
>> then).  Already then it was clear that it would one day be able to and
>> possibly be the preferred way to do a Debian install... as I said,
>> important. I saw how you contributed to Debian then, and I know how you
>> have contributed since. Instead of welcoming you and your work, there
>> seems to have been an effort to isolate you.
>>
>> Well clearly others have seen the fruits of your labor as a threat and
>> with envy, and ripe for their plucking!
>>
>> Outrageous! Disgusting. It is nasty. A bit strange to think that I
>> "know" some of those guys.
>>
>> My interest in Debian proper, dropped with your earlier treatment, it
>> took away the desire to be a closer part of it. At least that took out
>> much of any idealized notion of the inner workings of it. And there have
>> been other moves since. I continue to be amazed by the politics of
>> groups within Debian.  This though has the feel of blatant thievery.
>> Chals characterization of a dictatorial coup would seem to be most
>> accurate.
>>
>> It has no doubt to do with power (perhaps indirectly money is involved
>> as well), your work & work area being seen as strategically important.
>> They do it because they can, & justify it whatever which way they will.
>>
>> I am sorry. I feel pretty bruised on your behalf.
>>
>> We have not spoken in a long while. I hope we have the chance to talk in
>> happier times.
>>
>> Greetings.
>> Ralph
>>
>> P.S. We are ok, not much to report.
>>
>> - End forwarded message -
>> [edits: addition of footnote, &; s/picking/plucking/]
>>
>> Indeed I am a friend of Daniel and primarily a user of Debian (a minor
>> contributor of a package (sisu[2]) that I wrote that I am happy to have in
>> Debian). In other circumstances I would consider myself at least an
>> admirer of individuals involved on the other side of this. Indeed I (use
>> use some of your software daily and) have met a number of you over the
>> years at a number of Debconfs and have fond memories for example of
>> visits to Cambridge when I lived in the U.K. and of being "introduced"
>> to Debian by Debian insiders.
>>
>> Thanks to all who have stood up for Daniel, he is a wonderful, generous,
>> (and capable) person. And yes, I do think him "wronged" by "Debian".
>> There are others that know him pretty well, who have followed a fairly
>> long sequence of events who must be outraged as well.
>>
>> Of course I wish Debian well, but I do not see your "handling" of Daniel
>> as its finest hour. This will no doubt "blow over" as it must ultimately
>> for the good of the project, but it sticks in my craw as it no doubt
>> does others, and there should be some record of conscientious objection.
>>
>> Ralph Amissah
>>
>> [1] to be clear, "we" was Debian.
>> [2] http://www.sisudoc.org/
>> https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=s...@lists.sisudoc.org
>>
>>
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Bug#685270: doesn't mount ext4 persistence file

[Ed Dixon]

Resolved thanks to chals suggestion that
a properly formatted live-persistence.conf file be included file on the
root of the persistence image file system which is documented in man
live-persistence.conf.

Bug#685270: Recreation of 685270

[Ed Dixon]

I hope this helps clarify the process I used to try and create the live
system.

1.  From a wheezy desktop create chroot image for sid.
2.  Within Chrooted sid downloaded current git versions and build
live-build, live-config, and live-boot.
3.  Install built live-build, live-config, and live-boot in chrooted sid.
4.  From within chrooted sid, lb config and add live-boot_3.0~b1-1_all.deb
and live-boot-initramfs-tools_3.0~b1-1_all.deb to /config/packages.chroot.
5.  lb build creating bootable iso
6.  Create persistence file named persistence using dd command and format
persistence file as ext4 using mkfs.ext4.
7.  On boot media install live image created in step 3 (my case USB drive
labeled MULTIBOOT which is formatted as fat32).
8. Copy persistence file created in step 6 to root of bootable media (My
case same USB drive.) and add the word persistence to boot configuration.
9.  Boot and check for mounted persistence using df -h FAILED
10.  Rename persistence persistence.ext4
 11. Re-Boot and check for mounted persistence using df -h FAILED

Bug#685270: live-boot: Fails to mount ext4 persistence file

[Ed Dixon]

Package: live-boot
Version: 3.0~b1-1
Severity: normal

Dear Maintainer,
*** Please consider answering these questions, where appropriate ***

   * What led up to the situation?
Built live from chrooted Sid and booted from disk with persistence file in root 
as described in manual.
   * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or
 ineffective)?
All attempts at renaming the file (ie. persistence.ext4) failed
   * What was the outcome of this action?
Live CD was unable to persist using the image file.
   * What outcome did you expect instead?
Live CD boot should have loaded the persistence file as a root overlay as 
described in the persistence section of the live manual
 



-- System Information:
Debian Release: wheezy/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-3-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Versions of packages live-boot depends on:
pn  live-boot-initramfs-tools | live-boot-backend  

Versions of packages live-boot recommends:
ii  eject  2.1.5+deb1+cvs20081104-11
ii  file   5.11-2
pn  live-boot-doc  
ii  rsync  3.0.9-3
ii  uuid-runtime   2.20.1-5.1

Versions of packages live-boot suggests:
pn  cryptsetup
pn  curlftpfs 
pn  httpfs2   
pn  unionfs-fuse  
ii  wget  1.13.4-3


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Bug#630919: live-build: --apt aptitude doesn't work because of --force-yes

[Ed Dixon]

I am not sure but I think the Bug now exists in the Squeeze Repos?

P: Configuring file /etc/apt/sources.list
Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  apt-utils
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 271 kB of archives.
After this operation, 594 kB of additional disk space will be used.
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
  apt-utils
E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes
P: Begin unmounting filesystems...


On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Daniel Baumann
 wrote:
> retitle 630919 workaround for keyring-packages fails with aptitude
> severity 630919 minor
> tag 630919 pending
> thanks
>
> fixed in git.
>
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