Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-10-23 Thread Mike Hore

Hi again Jonathan,

>...

Sure, I had no reason to believe the hang was fixed in wheezy. What
changed is that stable gained an updated network driver; I had been
hoping to see whether _that_ worked.


OK, I'll get a blank DVD today and see if the live image works.


Good news -- it works!!

I downloaded the KDE version, and on booting the DVD got to the KDE 
desktop with no problems at all.  (I would need to update the list of 
screen resolutions to get the aspect ratio right, but no big deal, and 
the sound sounds a bit tinny, but we have a running system.)


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-10-23 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Jonathan,


Mike Hore wrote:

Hi Jonathan,

Mike Hore wrote:



I would expect that the latest fixes would only be in Testing.  Is
this right?


Nah, the network driver was updated in Stable[2].

[...]

Well, I found I'd accidentally left myself an unused partition :-)
So I went ahead and did a regular install using the current weekly build
netinst iso.

Unfortunately, the problem(s) is/are still there.


Sure, I had no reason to believe the hang was fixed in wheezy.  What
changed is that stable gained an updated network driver; I had been
hoping to see whether _that_ worked.


OK, I'll get a blank DVD today and see if the live image works.

-- Mike.




If it did, it would be possible to confirm, by upgrading only the kernel,
linux-base, and initramfs-tools[1]:

  1. That it's the kernel that broke on this hardware in sid, not some
 userland component

  2. Whether installing the firmware-linux-nonfree package helps

  3. As a bonus, which version of the kernel introduced the trouble (by
 bisecting through the available kernels in snapshot.debian.org)

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental
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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-10-22 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Jonathan,


Mike Hore wrote:


it appears the live images are only for
Stable.


Yeah, it seems so at the moment[1].


I would expect that the latest fixes would only be in Testing.  Is
this right?


Nah, the network driver was updated in Stable[2].


(And you're right, I don't want to disrupt my working system,
and especially not to muck around with my partitions.)


I don't blame you. :)


Well, I found I'd accidentally left myself an unused partition :-)
So I went ahead and did a regular install using the current weekly build 
netinst iso.


Unfortunately, the problem(s) is/are still there.  I got EXACTLY the 
behavior I reported above.  Scrambled video, so I did a rescue mode boot 
and installed the updated driver as I described in an earlier message. 
This let the boot proceed past this point, but it hung with the flashing 
text on the screen, just as I described earlier.


So sorry, it's not fixed.  I might give the live image a go when I get 
time, but in view of what's happened I'm not very hopeful.


But as I have a running system under VirtualBox, I'm happy as far as 
that goes.  I guess most users of new Macs would want to use OSX as well 
as Debian, and VirtualBox or one of the other virtualizers would 
definitely be the way to go.


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-10-19 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Jonathan,


Hey,

Mike Hore wrote:


Just an update -- somebody put me on to Virtual Box, and it works!


Just curious: did you ever try a CD from the last point release (6.0.3),
which includes the appropriate network drivers?


No, I haven't tried it since I've been tied up on other things.



If you're interested, one way to test would be to try with Debian
Live[1], to avoid disrupting a working system.

Jonathan

[1] http://www.debian.org/CD/live/


OK, I might try that when I get time (not sure when though).

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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-10-18 Thread Mike Hore
Just an update -- somebody put me on to Virtual Box, and it works!  It's 
free for non-commercial use, and has allowed me to bypass this problem 
completely.  I could install directly off the weekly build ISO file 
without needing to burn a CD, and use the default installation, and 
everything ran without a hitch.


Having Debian running as a guest OS makes it trivial to switch between 
systems without any dual-booting hassles.


So for anybody wanting to run both OSX and Debian on a new iMac, I'd 
recomment this route.


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-25 Thread Mike Hore

I wrote:

> So possibly the Broadcom driver is the culprit here, though I could
> do a net install without problems.

What I meant is that the installer ran without apparent problems.  I 
still can't boot into the new system.  I didn't mean to sound like I had 
a successful installation - I don't.  Apparently we still can't install 
wheezy onto these iMacs, or at least I haven't heard from anybody who's 
done it successfully.


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Bug#627705: Broadcom Ethernet adapters (tg3 & broadcom drivers)

2011-08-24 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Ben et al,

For the record, new 21.5" iMacs use Broadcom 57765, which is on your 
list as not supported.  So this appears to be a serious problem for 
installing on these machines (which will be numerous!)


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-24 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Jonathan and all,

I think I've verified that there are two separate issues here -- the 
problem with the radeon video driver, and something else that causes the 
boot to lock up.


I located the correct driver:

http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-11-8-x86.x86_64.run

I downloaded this and put it on my external drive.  I then booted into 
rescue mode (so I got a root shell).  I mounted the external drive.  I 
had to chmod to make the driver installer executable, then ran it.  The 
driver installation apparently ran normally.


Then I removed the blacklisting for radeon.  After that, I could reboot 
and the "flashing lights" problem had gone away.  However the boot still 
locks up, with rapidly flashing messages on the screen like I described 
earlier.  However now, in rescue mode, the messages are all about eth0 
being up.  So possibly the Broadcom driver is the culprit here, though I 
could do a net install without problems.


But at least I think I now have the correct video driver installed.  A 
problem will be that this isn't free in the Debian sense.  I didn't have 
to pay anything, but it's not free the way Debian means free.  So I 
don't know what issues this might raise for getting a new installer that 
really works for these iMacs.


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-23 Thread Mike Hore

Hi again Jonathan,


> Hmmm - interesting.  I might check Ubuntu forums too.

The same problem has shown up there too:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1578342

Some fixes have been posted on that thread.  I can't really take the 
time to apply them all myself, but it probably suggests a way forward.


My suggestion would be for this bug to stand until a fix has been rolled 
into a new installer, so that we can do a straightforward installation 
on these machines.  Hopefully this can be done.


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-23 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Jonathan,


Mike Hore wrote:


I don't know that I want to try any more -- I seem to be getting nowhere.  I
think it might need someone who really understands the Debian boot process
to get their hands on a new iMac and sort this whole thing out.  There are
plenty of them around by now.  I've got a lot of other things on my plate
and this isn't a high priority for me.


Might also be worth asking on debian-u...@lists.debian.org if anyone has
tried installing on a 2011 iMac.


I did earlier on -- I got no replies for over a week even though I 
followed up my own posts several times.  I concluded nobody else had 
even tried at that stage.  I might give it a month and then try again.





Sorry for the trouble and thanks for testing.  As you saw with e.g.
the "co" bug, we're not at a stage in the release cycle when the
installer is completely polished yet.  So at the moment, using the
squeeze installer and then upgrading is more likely to be reliable.


That was the first thing I tried a while ago -- then somebody suggested 
I try the latest installer which is what I did.




If you do get a working installation, I would still be very interested
in tracking down the radeon modesetting trouble (e.g., by taking a
snapshot of the screen with artifacts and recovering any log entries
that appear before then).  I suspect the cause is similar to
Bug#637943 (modesetting not working correctly without
firmware-linux-nonfree installed).


Hmmm - interesting.  I might check Ubuntu forums too.  But I'm not in a 
particular hurry -- I've just installed MacOSX 10.7 (Lion) and I've got 
heaps of other things to keep busy with  :-)


Cheers,  Mike.


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-23 Thread Mike Hore

Hi again Jonathan,


Mike Hore wrote:


Ummm...  Mac keyboards don't have scroll lock!


It seems that scroll lock is shift+f14.


Nope, that has no effect whatsoever.




Yes, single WAS there!!  Let me double-check...

yes, what I said was what happened.  Both single and quiet were there. The
actual line printed was

Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm3


Weird.  I have no idea what happened there.


Right.  Running again with "quiet" off, once it starts rapidly flashing 
messages without progressing, I was able to read these lines:


usb 2-1.4: usbfs: interface 2 claimed by usb-storage while 'usb' sets 
config #1


usb 2-1.4: usbfs: process 2008(usb) did not claim interface 0 before use

I have no idea what these lines mean.  The other flashing lines releated 
to eth0, but I didn't copy them down.




There should be entries from "recovery mode" in the boot menu, too,
with similar effect.  Maybe that's worth a try. :/
.


I don't know that I want to try any more -- I seem to be getting 
nowhere.  I think it might need someone who really understands the 
Debian boot process to get their hands on a new iMac and sort this whole 
thing out.  There are plenty of them around by now.  I've got a lot of 
other things on my plate and this isn't a high priority for me.


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-22 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Jonathan,


Mike Hore wrote:


I added "single" and removed "quiet".  The boot then proceeded till I got a
flashing line at the top of the screen saying

lp: driver loaded but no devices found

alternating very rapidly with another line I couldn't read.  No further
progress.


Maybe scroll lock can stop it.


Ummm...  Mac keyboards don't have scroll lock!



[...]

Then I rebooted and this time left "quiet" there.  The boot proceeded till
it said

GNOME display manager loading


I assume there was no "single" this time?  (gdm should not be getting
loaded in single-user mode.)


Yes, single WAS there!!  Let me double-check...

yes, what I said was what happened.  Both single and quiet were there. 
The actual line printed was


Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm3

Then there were a couple of lines that flashed on and off very quickly 
-- I saw the words "bluetooth" and "daemon" there.  Then a blank screen 
with flashing cursor.


Any bright ideas?

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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-22 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Jonathan,


Mike Hore wrote:

Hi Jonathan,



That is bug #636040 (finish-install: hvc0 console added to inittab
even when not available), which seems to be mostly harmless.  It
should be safe to remove the "co:" line to remove the message about
spawning getty there.


Are you suggesting I do that?


Nah, it doesn't matter.  The "co:" line I was referring to is a line
starting with the text "co:" in /etc/inittab.


OK, no worries.




[...]

That is probably gdm or the X server coping poorly with the radeon driver
failing to load.  Please add "1" or "single" (as a separate word, no
quotes) to the kernel command line at bootup so we can see if a
non-graphical bootup works.


OK, same problem.  Where and what is that "kernel command line" so I can add
to it?


It's in the GRUB menu presented at bootup.  You can edit it like this:

  1. Use arrow keys to choose the kernel you want to boot.
  2. Press "e" to reveal its settings.
  3. Move the cursor to the line that starts with "linux" and edit the
 options there as desired (e.g., to add "1" and remove "quiet").

Sorry for the lack of clarity.


That's OK.  Here's what happened:

I added "single" and removed "quiet".  The boot then proceeded till I 
got a flashing line at the top of the screen saying


lp: driver loaded but no devices found

alternating very rapidly with another line I couldn't read.  No further 
progress.


Then I rebooted and this time left "quiet" there.  The boot proceeded 
till it said


GNOME display manager loading

Then there was one other line for about 1/10 sec and then just a blank 
screen with a flashing cursor at the top.  No further progress.


In both cases typing keys had no effect, and I had to push the power 
button to force a shutdown.


Hope you can make some sense of this...


Cheers,  Mike.


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-21 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Jonathan,


Hi Mike,

Mike Hore wrote:


It was simpler than I thought -- I've got those files for you now, so I'll
attach the zipped archive.


Nice.  From inittab:

co:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty hvc0 9600 linux


From the installer log:


finish-install: Setting up virtualized serial console on /dev/hvc0
finish-install: adding console to /etc/inittab

That is bug #636040 (finish-install: hvc0 console added to inittab
even when not available), which seems to be mostly harmless.  It
should be safe to remove the "co:" line to remove the message about
spawning getty there.


Are you suggesting I do that?  Sorry, I have a software development 
background but not on Linux, so I don't know where that line is to 
remove it.





From syslog:


gdm3[1777]: WARNING: GdmDisplay: display lasted 0.038594 seconds
gdm3[1777]: WARNING: GdmDisplay: display lasted 0.039019 seconds
gdm3[1777]: WARNING: GdmDisplay: display lasted 0.038234 seconds
[...]

That is probably gdm or the X server coping poorly with the radeon driver
failing to load.  Please add "1" or "single" (as a separate word, no
quotes) to the kernel command line at bootup so we can see if a
non-graphical bootup works.



OK, same problem.  Where and what is that "kernel command line" so I can 
add to it?




If it works, then it is probably worth
trying to log in on the console and running "modprobe radeon" and then
sending logs (/var/log/dmesg) and a photograph of the artifacts.


Yes, I can do that if I get that far.



netconsole[1] or a serial console[2] could help to recover messages if
they aren't getting logged properly before rebooting.

[1] http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt
[2] http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/serial-console.txt
.



Thanks -- if you can point me in the right direction I'll try your 
suggestions.


Cheers,  Mike.


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-20 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Jonathan,


...
What kernel version do you use?  Do you still have to blacklist the
radeon module to get as far as you do in booting up?


I've used both 2.6.xx (maybe 39?) and 3.0 and got the same results. 
Yes, I do have to blacklist radeon, under both kernels.  I think this 
might be a separate issue.




The other problem you mentioned (/sbin/getty not starting) is not yet
phrased as a kernel bug, so I'm not sure how to move forward on
tracking it down.  Is it possible to retrieve logs (like
/var/log/kern.log, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/installer) from the
system that fails to boot?


OK - I think I can do a rescue mode boot and get into a shell, so I'll 
see if I can get these files -- and also /etc/inittab.  I'll probably 
have to mount my external drive so I have somewhere to copy them to. 
I'm going to be a bit busy in the next day or two but I'll do this when 
I can get to it.


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-20 Thread Mike Hore
Hi all -- I'm back now, so I'll be available to try anything that 
anybody suggests.  It would be good to get this sorted out.


In case there's an issue with the keyboard and/or USB, the install 
process doesn't seem to recognise the USB keyboard, but when I accept 
the default generic keyboard, the install proceeds normally.


I'll paste a dump of the USB hardware below, in case it's relevant.

Cheers,  Mike.



USB High-Speed Bus:

  Host Controller Location: Built-in USB
  Host Controller Driver:   AppleUSBEHCI
  PCI Device ID:0x1c2d
  PCI Revision ID:  0x0005
  PCI Vendor ID:0x8086
  Bus Number:   0xfa

FaceTime HD Camera (Built-in):

  Product ID:   0x850b
  Vendor ID:0x05ac  (Apple Inc.)
  Version:   7.55
  Serial Number:CCGB410L7WDDJPFX
  Speed:Up to 480 Mb/sec
  Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
  Location ID:  0xfa20 / 3
  Current Available (mA):   500
  Current Required (mA):500

Hub:

  Product ID:   0x2514
  Vendor ID:0x0424  (SMSC)
  Version:   0.03
  Speed:Up to 480 Mb/sec
  Location ID:  0xfa10 / 2
  Current Available (mA):   500
  Current Required (mA):2

Hub in Apple Pro Keyboard:

  Product ID:   0x1003
  Vendor ID:0x05ac  (Apple Inc.)
  Version:   4.00
  Speed:Up to 12 Mb/sec
  Manufacturer: Mitsumi Electric
  Location ID:  0xfa13 / 5
  Current Available (mA):   500
  Current Required (mA):50

Composite Device:

  Product ID:   0x0461
  Vendor ID:0x04d9  (Holtek Semiconductor, Inc.)
  Version:   1.00
  Speed:Up to 1.5 Mb/sec
  Location ID:  0xfa132000 / 9
  Current Available (mA):   100
  Current Required (mA):100

Apple Pro Keyboard:

  Product ID:   0x020b
  Vendor ID:0x05ac  (Apple Inc.)
  Version:   4.00
  Speed:Up to 12 Mb/sec
  Manufacturer: Mitsumi Electric
  Location ID:  0xfa133000 / 8
  Current Available (mA):   250
  Current Required (mA):50

BRCM2046 Hub:

  Product ID:   0x4500
  Vendor ID:0x0a5c  (Broadcom Corp.)
  Version:   1.00
  Speed:Up to 12 Mb/sec
  Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
  Location ID:  0xfa11 / 4
  Current Available (mA):   500
  Current Required (mA):0

Bluetooth USB Host Controller:

  Product ID:   0x8215
  Vendor ID:0x05ac  (Apple Inc.)
  Version:   1.91
  Serial Number:040CCE25B674
  Speed:Up to 12 Mb/sec
  Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
  Location ID:  0xfa111000 / 6
  Current Available (mA):   500
  Current Required (mA):0



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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-13 Thread Mike Hore

I wrote:

> I should probably retry the whole install with the 2.6.x
> kernel instead of 3.0.  I'll do this when I get time, and
> report.

I was able to try this, but I got EXACTLY the same problem when I tried 
to boot into the new system.


I'm going to be away and out of contact for a week -- hopefully while 
I'm away somebody can shed some light on this?


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-13 Thread Mike Hore

Hi all,
With some advice from Miguel I've been able to blacklist radeon, with 
some positive results but still a problem.


Booting into the new system now doesn't display flashing lights any 
more, however the boot process stops with a message

"ID "co" respawning too fast - disabled for 5 minutes"

This message is flickering rapidly on a black screen, and nothing more 
happens.  Pushing the power button gave a normal shutting down message 
followed by shutdown.  Booting into rescue mode did allow me to get a 
root prompt which looked normal.  But when I exited the root shell I got 
the same behavior as above.  Normal launching of Gnome never happened.


I should probably retry the whole install with the 2.6.x kernel instead 
of 3.0.  I'll do this when I get time, and report.  I'm not very 
hopeful, though.


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-11 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Miguel and all,

> Mike can you try to blacklist radeon module to see if it boots correctly?

Sorry, I don't know what you mean by this -- I'm not very experienced 
with Linux.  If you let me know how to do this I'll give it a go.


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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-10 Thread Mike Hore

On 10/08/11 6:55 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote:

reassign 637284 installation-reports
thanks

Installation reports (failure or success) should not be reported against
the "Work Needing and Prospective Packages" virtual package, but against
installation-reports.


Ah, thanks Gergely -- I'm still new to this  :-)

-- Mike.




It can then be reassigned from there to the appropriate package, if
confirmed.

I have reassigned the report to installation-reports, so it gets
forwarded to the right place.




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Bug#637284: Can't install wheezy on a 2011 iMac

2011-08-10 Thread Mike Hore

Package: wnpp
Version:

Details:
I used the Wheezy weekly build netinst.
Installation proceeded normally, but on attempting to boot into the new 
system, after a number of scrolling lines, the screen started showing 
bands of colour and there was no further progress.

I attempted to boot into rescue mode, but got the same result.

I suspect that the kernel 2.6.39-2 isn't compatible with the new AMD 
graphics card used by these iMacs.


The hardware:

Hardware Overview:

  Model Name:   iMac
  Model Identifier: iMac12,1
  Processor Name:   Intel Core i5
  Processor Speed:  2.5 GHz
  Number Of Processors: 1
  Total Number Of Cores:4
  L2 Cache (per core):  256 KB
  L3 Cache: 6 MB
  Memory:   4 GB
  Boot ROM Version: IM121.0047.B00
  SMC Version (system): 1.71f21
  Serial Number (system):   C02FN6N9DHJF
  Hardware UUID:0D156747-A0C6-5AC8-B540-494834088A82

Graphics:

AMD Radeon HD 6750M:

  Chipset Model:AMD Radeon HD 6750M
  Type: GPU
  Bus:  PCIe
  PCIe Lane Width:  x16
  VRAM (Total): 512 MB
  Vendor:   ATI (0x1002)
  Device ID:0x6741
  Revision ID:  0x
  ROM Revision: 113-C2950H-136
  EFI Driver Version:   01.00.512

Cheers,  Mike.

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Bug#437842: lists.debian.org: request creation of a debian-mediation mailing list

2007-09-03 Thread Mike Hore

I support this proposal.

When issues come up as has happened with Sven Luther, considerable 
discussion might be needed to find a solution acceptable to all parties. 
  This discussion is vital, but can be seen as inappropriate on the 
other mailing lists.  Experience has shown it irritates many readers and 
can lead to flame wars.


It would be much better to have a "proper" place for this kind of 
essential discussion, where it would not attract criticism as being 
inappropriate or off-topic.


Cheers,  Mike.

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Bug#414967: D-I RC2 netinstall image successfully installed on iMac G5

2007-03-14 Thread Mike Hore

Package: installation-reports

Boot method: Burned CD, booted CD.
Image version: 
<http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso

Date: Image from March 13, installed March 15
Machine: iMac G5, revision A
Processor: PowerPC 970
Memory: 256M
Partitions: boot, swap, root, OSX


Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:   [O]
Detect network card:[O]
Configure network:  [O]
Detect CD:  [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Install base system:[O]
Clock/timezone setup:   [O]
User/password setup:[O]
Install tasks:  [O]
Install boot loader:[O]
Overall install:[O]

Comments/Problems:

Absolutely trouble-free install.  Was able to apt-get install kde 
successfully straight afterwards.  Congratulations!


Cheers,  Mike.

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Bug#414880: D-I RC2 netinstall image fails to install on iMac G5

2007-03-14 Thread Mike Hore

Hi again Frans,


On Wednesday 14 March 2007 13:35, Mike Hore wrote:

Comments/Problems:
Chose a basic setup (just desktop and basic system).  At "installing
files" stage, got to file 59 out of more than 600, then all activity
ceased (no CD or network activity) and nothing further happened.  Tried
two different mirrors; same result.
Desktop is not really "basic", it's about the most complex installation 
you can get :-)


It still looks like a mirror problem to me. Trying again now may have 
solved it.


Yes, it did!  This time, the installation went through flawlessly, using 
the same mirror as last night.  So I guess this isn't a real bug, and 
can be closed.



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Bug#414880: D-I RC2 netinstall image fails to install on iMac G5

2007-03-14 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Frans,


On Wednesday 14 March 2007 13:35, Mike Hore wrote:

Comments/Problems:
Chose a basic setup (just desktop and basic system).  At "installing
files" stage, got to file 59 out of more than 600, then all activity
ceased (no CD or network activity) and nothing further happened.  Tried
two different mirrors; same result.
Desktop is not really "basic", it's about the most complex installation 
you can get :-)


It still looks like a mirror problem to me. Trying again now may have 
solved it.


OK, I'll check again when I get time.



Anyway, when the system stops responding, please try switching to VT4 (on 
PCs this is alt-F4, for Macs probably option-F4 or similar) and check the 
log there for any strange messages.


OK, will do.  (On my keyboard, option is also labelled alt so it's the 
same key.)


If you don't see anything there, try switching to VT2 and check the output 
of 'dmesg' and the contents of /var/log/syslog using the editor nano 
(anything related to the problem should be near the end).


If possible, send us the syslog (gzipped!).


That'll be a bit hard since at that point I'm not installed so I have to 
switch back to OSX to access email.  There's probably a way, but I don't 
know enough Linux yet...




You can also check what processes are running using the 'ps' command. The 
last 6 or so should include the ones causing the problem.


OK, thanks.

Cheers,  Mike.




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Bug#414880: D-I RC2 netinstall image fails to install on iMac G5

2007-03-14 Thread Mike Hore

Package: installation-reports

Boot method: Burned CD, booted CD.
Image version: 
<http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso 


Date: Image from March 13, install attempts March 14

Machine: iMac G5, revision A
Processor: PowerPC 970
Memory: 256M
Partitions: boot, swap, root, OSX

Output of lspci -nn and lspci -vnn:can't run since I can't install

Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:   [O]
Detect network card:[O]
Configure network:  [O]
Detect CD:  [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Install base system:[E]
Clock/timezone setup:   [ ]
User/password setup:[ ]
Install tasks:  [ ]
Install boot loader:[ ]
Overall install:[ ]

Comments/Problems:

Chose a basic setup (just desktop and basic system).  At "installing 
files" stage, got to file 59 out of more than 600, then all activity 
ceased (no CD or network activity) and nothing further happened.  Tried 
two different mirrors; same result.


Cheers,  Mike.


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Bug#413788: Daily Etch build fails to install on iMac G5 - Ethernet not detected

2007-03-09 Thread Mike Hore

Hi all,

I downloaded the March 9 daily build, (the server was reasonably fast 
this time), and it all works!  The sungem driver is definitely present.


So whatever happened before, it's OK now, so this bug can be closed.

(I'm still investigating Gentoo, but if I get into too much strife, I'll 
come back to Debian.)


Cheers,  Mike.



Hi,

On Friday 09 March 2007 09:11, peter green wrote:

- if it is not, try to load it manually ('modprobe sungem')

FATAL: module sungem not found


So it really looks to me like it isn't there, sorry!

have you checked the md5sum against the one for the day your image is
dated? (you can find older dailies by cutting back the image url to remove
the current and everything before it and browsing manually from there)

i'm thinking this may be another case of a half and half download (half one
days image half the next)


I think so too. I also downloaded the (ppc)-netinst on the 7th and just tried 
to load the sungem module from it, and it worked. So...


>I had some aborted downloads, but that time I switched to an ftp client
>and did it that way -- also OSX mounted the .iso file which I doubt
>would have happened if it was half-and-half -- but no, I didn't check
>the MD5.  I probably should just try again with a later build, but the
>server is so slow it takes me all night to download, and at the moment
>I'm trying a Gentoo install, so I'll leave it for a while.
>
>Cheers,  Mike.

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Bug#413788: Daily Etch build fails to install on iMac G5 - Ethernet not detected

2007-03-09 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Holger and others,


Hi,

On Friday 09 March 2007 09:11, peter green wrote:

- if it is not, try to load it manually ('modprobe sungem')

FATAL: module sungem not found


So it really looks to me like it isn't there, sorry!

have you checked the md5sum against the one for the day your image is
dated? (you can find older dailies by cutting back the image url to remove
the current and everything before it and browsing manually from there)

i'm thinking this may be another case of a half and half download (half one
days image half the next)


I think so too. I also downloaded the (ppc)-netinst on the 7th and just tried 
to load the sungem module from it, and it worked. So...


I had some aborted downloads, but that time I switched to an ftp client 
and did it that way -- also OSX mounted the .iso file which I doubt 
would have happened if it was half-and-half -- but no, I didn't check 
the MD5.  I probably should just try again with a later build, but the 
server is so slow it takes me all night to download, and at the moment 
I'm trying a Gentoo install, so I'll leave it for a while.


Cheers,  Mike.

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Bug#413788: Daily Etch build fails to install on iMac G5 - Ethernet not detected

2007-03-08 Thread Mike Hore

Hi again Frans,


On Thursday 08 March 2007 02:30, Mike Hore wrote:

0001:03:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Apple Computer Inc. Shasta (Sun GEM)
[106b:0051]
According to this information, your NIC needs the sungem driver, which 
_is_ included in the installer and should be loaded automatically.


After the installer has failed to detect your NIC, please try the 
following:

- switch to VT2
- check if the sungem module is loaded ('lsmod | grep sungem')


No output.


- if it is, check dmesg for any messages about the NIC


I didn't see any, but there were about 2 screenfuls of info and I didn't 
know how to stop it scrolling off.



- if it is not, try to load it manually ('modprobe sungem')


FATAL: module sungem not found


So it really looks to me like it isn't there, sorry!

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Bug#413788: Daily Etch build fails to install on iMac G5 - Ethernet not detected

2007-03-07 Thread Mike Hore

Hi Frans,


On Wednesday 07 March 2007 03:47, Mike Hore wrote:

Comments/Problems:  The Ethernet connection is not detected.  This
machine has an 10/100BASE-T Ethernet port.  I suspect the correct
driver hasn't been included in the netinstall image.
After network detection failed, please switch to VT2 (on a PC this is 
alt-F2; I guess option-F2 or something similar on Macs) and enter the 
following command:

   lspci -nn | grep Ethernet
We need the PCI Id of that device, which looks like [:].


0001:03:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Apple Computer Inc. Shasta (Sun GEM) 
[106b:0051]





Since this is a netinstall and the network can't be initialized, I
couldn't proceed beyond this point.


This is not true. Netinst CDs contain the full base system, so you can 
complete an installation without a network card. You would end up with a 
fairly minimal, but completely functioning system.


OK, I guess that's right, if you know what you're doing, but with the 
little Linux I know I'm basically stuck.


Now I probably should have mentioned that BEFORE the Ethernet detection 
attempt, I got another message to say that some kernel modules could not 
be found, and should I proceed without them, and the installation might 
fail if I proceeded.  I assumed this was because I was attempting a 
netinstall, but for all I know that assumption might have been wrong.


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Bug#413788: Daily Etch build fails to install on iMac G5 - Ethernet not detected

2007-03-06 Thread Mike Hore

Package: installation-reports

Boot method: Downloaded netinstall CD image, burnt CD.
Image version: 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso

Date: Wed Mar 7, 9am Australian Central Standard Time.

Machine: Apple G5 iMac, revision A.
Processor: PowerPC G5.
Memory: 250M
Partitions: (not relevant)

Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:   [O]
Detect network card:[E]

Can't proceed any further.

Comments/Problems:  The Ethernet connection is not detected.  This 
machine has an 10/100BASE-T Ethernet port.  I suspect the correct driver 
 hasn't been included in the netinstall image.


Since this is a netinstall and the network can't be initialized, I 
couldn't proceed beyond this point.


Cheers,  Mike.

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