Bug#765976: tzsetup: please don't offer time zone selection for Germany
Quoting Joey Hess (jo...@debian.org): Most countries have only one timezone, and for those the country-zone mapping is stored in the tzmap file (automatically generated from zone.tab), and no question is asked. Some countries have multiple timezones listed in zone.tab, but these are only of historical interest (ie, to get the correct time at some point in the past), and are thus not worth bothering the user about during install. For these the tzmap.override file can be used to force a whole country to one zone. For the record, I'm in favour of applying the Büsingen exception to tzmap.override. I was not, in the beginning of this issue, but then reconsidered that opinion when looking deeper at what we're already doing for many other places in the world. I applied the patch in git and, unless there is a strong objection, I'll upload tzsetup with that patch, ASAP. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#765976: tzsetup: please don't offer time zone selection for Germany
Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org (2014-10-22): Quoting Joey Hess (jo...@debian.org): Most countries have only one timezone, and for those the country-zone mapping is stored in the tzmap file (automatically generated from zone.tab), and no question is asked. Some countries have multiple timezones listed in zone.tab, but these are only of historical interest (ie, to get the correct time at some point in the past), and are thus not worth bothering the user about during install. For these the tzmap.override file can be used to force a whole country to one zone. For the record, I'm in favour of applying the Büsingen exception to tzmap.override. I was not, in the beginning of this issue, but then reconsidered that opinion when looking deeper at what we're already doing for many other places in the world. I applied the patch in git and, unless there is a strong objection, I'll upload tzsetup with that patch, ASAP. No objection. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#765976: tzsetup: please don't offer time zone selection for Germany
Hi Joey, Christian, On Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, Joey Hess wrote: [helpful explaination] -- tzsetup/README you had explained that already on irc (though not that verbose, thanks for both!) and so my initial patch covered this already :) On Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, Christian PERRIER wrote: I applied the patch in git.. no, you didn't. You've made up your own ;-p I'll upload tzsetup with that patch, ASAP. yay, thanks! cheers, Holger /nitpicking sometimes too signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#765976: tzsetup: please don't offer time zone selection for Germany
Hi, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: when installing with location Germany, the choice between Büsingen and Berlin timezone is offered. This choice is funny on first installation(s) but get's tiring rather quickly. Büsingen is a tiny German village surrounced by Switzerland, which in 1983 for a summer had a different time (DST vs not) than Berlin. Since then Berlin, Bern and Büsingen run in sync. So this question is totally pointless today. It's most probably only a matter of historical reasons, to have this timezone in the installer. Don't know what was the reason for it to be added. It will have only a benefit for some few people, but may add irritations for many people installing in German UI (I did not knew Büsingen as well when I saw it the first time. Had to ask Wikipedia for help. Did not saw such selection for Germany before somewhere else.) Cheers the other Holger -- Created with Sylpheed 3.2.0 under the new D E B I A N L I N U X 7 . 0 W H E E Z Y ! Registered Linux User #311290 - https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#765976: tzsetup: please don't offer time zone selection for Germany
Holger Wansing li...@wansing-online.de (2014-10-21): Hi, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: when installing with location Germany, the choice between Büsingen and Berlin timezone is offered. This choice is funny on first installation(s) but get's tiring rather quickly. Büsingen is a tiny German village surrounced by Switzerland, which in 1983 for a summer had a different time (DST vs not) than Berlin. Since then Berlin, Bern and Büsingen run in sync. So this question is totally pointless today. It's most probably only a matter of historical reasons, to have this timezone in the installer. Don't know what was the reason for it to be added. It will have only a benefit for some few people, but may add irritations for many people installing in German UI (I did not knew Büsingen as well when I saw it the first time. Had to ask Wikipedia for help. Did not saw such selection for Germany before somewhere else.) I don't think this is the first time this issue pops up, because I know I already consulted the said wikipedia page for the same reason. I guess it'd be nice to figure out what changed to bring this up again, and what was the outcome/decision/fix last time. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#765976: tzsetup: please don't offer time zone selection for Germany
Hi Cyril, On Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, Cyril Brulebois wrote: I don't think this is the first time this issue pops up, because I know I already consulted the said wikipedia page for the same reason. I guess it'd be nice to figure out what changed to bring this up again, and what was the outcome/decision/fix last time. I think it was mentioned the first time in #726434, at least thats the first hit when search for Debian Büsingen and it's also the first time I remember this popping up. In that bug you suggested that the origin was in tzdata (and not tzsetup) and indeed this is from the upstream tzdata NEWS file: Release 2013a - 2013-02-27 09:20:35 -0800 [...] Changes affecting current and future time stamps: [...] New Zones Asia/Khandyga, Asia/Ust-Nera, Europe/Busingen. (Thanks to Tobias Conradi and Arthur David Olson.) [...] and then this hit sid on March 6th 2013 and finally on October 15th 2013 Thiemo Nagel filed #726434 about the incorrect spelling of the name of the village... And then the spelling was fixed. But the question was left there, I assume because the missing and then fixed translations distracted from thinking twice whether it would be useful to have that question there in the first place. To quote Christian from #726434/msg#73: 'Warum nicht Hamburg, Frankfurt, Dummersdorf or Schiefenthal?:-). But,anyway, better at least have this translated.' I cannot see anyone arguing in favor of keeping the question in d-i in #726434... cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#765976: tzsetup: please don't offer time zone selection for Germany
Most countries have only one timezone, and for those the country-zone mapping is stored in the tzmap file (automatically generated from zone.tab), and no question is asked. Some countries have multiple timezones listed in zone.tab, but these are only of historical interest (ie, to get the correct time at some point in the past), and are thus not worth bothering the user about during install. For these the tzmap.override file can be used to force a whole country to one zone. -- tzsetup/README -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#765976: tzsetup: please don't offer time zone selection for Germany
package: tzsetup version: 1:0.59 tags: patch Hi, when installing with location Germany, the choice between Büsingen and Berlin timezone is offered. This choice is funny on first installation(s) but get's tiring rather quickly. Büsingen is a tiny German village surrounced by Switzerland, which in 1983 for a summer had a different time (DST vs not) than Berlin. Since then Berlin, Bern and Büsingen run in sync. So this question is totally pointless today. (And yes, timezones may changes. They do all the time, as we know. No big deal. And if you want+need to do calculations about _that time_ _there_, in Büsingen, you will know about this and act accordingly. But you won't need the system time to be Büsingen for that. And even if...) Trivial patch for tzmap.override attached, thanks Joey for the hint. If needed/wanted, I'd be glad to do the needed upload. cheers, Holger From 7d75d843448737ef7e968d8a584bb0ea0769b674 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:26:35 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] =?UTF-8?q?Set=20time=20zone=20for=20Germany=20to=20Berlin?= =?UTF-8?q?,=20as=20B=C3=BCsingen=20has=20no=20practical=20relevance.=20(C?= =?UTF-8?q?loses:=20#xyzxyx)?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- tzmap.override | 1 + 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+) diff --git a/tzmap.override b/tzmap.override index a2e452b..086e803 100644 --- a/tzmap.override +++ b/tzmap.override @@ -1,5 +1,6 @@ AR America/Buenos_Aires GB Europe/London +DE Europe/Berlin MH Pacific/Majuro ML Africa/Bamako MY Asia/Kuala_Lumpur -- 1.9.1 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
