man page bad symlinks?
Lately, I've been getting a whole bunch of these warnings from man. These warnings have popped in and out over the past year or two of keeping up-to-date with Debian, and appear on EVERY hamm machine I have: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src]% man openproc 3:59PM Updating index cache for path `/usr/man'. Wait...man: warning: /usr/man/man1/g++.1.gz is a dangling symlink man: can't open /usr/man/man1/c++.1: No such file or directory man: warning: /usr/man/man1/c++.1.gz: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request man: warning: /usr/man/man1/b2m.1.xemacs20.gz is a dangling symlink man: can't open /usr/man/man1/b2m.1: No such file or directory man: warning: /usr/man/man1/b2m.1.gz: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request man: warning: /usr/man/man1/emacsclient.1.xemacs20.gz is a dangling symlink man: can't open /usr/man/man1/emacsclient.1: No such file or directory man: warning: /usr/man/man1/emacsclient.1.gz: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request man: can't open /usr/man/man1/gnuserv.1: No such file or directory man: warning: /usr/man/man1/gnuclient.1.gz: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request man: can't open /usr/man/man1/gnuserv.1: No such file or directory man: warning: /usr/man/man1/gnuattach.1.gz: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request man: can't open /usr/man/man1/gnuserv.1: No such file or directory man: warning: /usr/man/man1/gnudoit.1.gz: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request man: warning: /usr/man/man1/rcs-checkin.1.xemacs20.gz is a dangling symlink man: can't open /usr/man/man1/rcs-checkin.1: No such file or directory man: warning: /usr/man/man1/rcs-checkin.1.gz: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request man: warning: /usr/man/man1/xemacs20.gz is a dangling symlink man: can't open /usr/man/man1/xemacs.1: No such file or directory man: warning: /usr/man/man1/xemacs.1.gz: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request man: warning: /usr/man/man1/math3.1.gz is a dangling symlink man: can't open /usr/man/man1/smath.1: No such file or directory man: warning: /usr/man/man1/smath.1.gz: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request Updating index cache for path `/usr/man'. Wait...done. No manual entry for openproc Stuff like this. For instance, /usr/man/man1/smath.1.gz points to /etc/alternatives/smath.1.gz, which points to /usr/man/man1/math3.1.gz, which does not exist. Should all these be reported as bugs? -- Brought to you by the letters Z and F and the number 9. He's kissing Christian.. and it's making you die. -- that dog. Ben Gertzfield http://www.imsa.edu/~wilwonka/ Finger me for my public PGP key. I'm on FurryMUCK as Che, and EFNet and YiffNet IRC as Che_Fox. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dumping core: root vs. normal user
Hi, Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : I'd check the ulimit, Nope, ulimit -c also outputs unlimited. What about the output of set -o, how does yours look like? Thanks, E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9431645 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: *** The Upcoming Release of Hamm ***
Can I propose the following ? When we get into this state we announce an `early beta' and delay the release for at least a further two weeks to see if any more release-necessary bugs arise, or if there is discussion about the status of a bug. Make it harder! From now on no new upstream versions to frozen. Cleaning Incoming. 1. May is 'early beta' and 1. June is release time (to have some more time for arch maintainers and testers). Is this to hard? Bye, Hartmut -- Hartmut Koptein EMail: Friedrich-van-Senden-Str. 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26603 Aurich Tel.: +49-4941-10390 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dumping core: root vs. normal user
On 15 Apr 1998, Eloy A. Paris wrote: Nope, ulimit -c also outputs unlimited. What about the output of set -o, how does yours look like? allexport off braceexpand on errexit off hashall on histexpand on keyword off monitor on noclobber off noexec off noglob off notify off nounset off onecmd off physicaloff privileged off verbose off xtrace off history on ignoreeof on interactive-commentson posix off emacs on vi off Also, note that I haven't updated my system in quite a while. Let me know what other packages could do this: ii libc6 2.0.7pre1-1The GNU C library version 2 (run-time files) ii bash2.01-5 The GNU Bourne Again SHell Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone want to make a Debian XDM login screen?
David Welton wrote: With all due respect, this seems more like a matter of local configuration on your part rather than what the standard for Debian should be. If we have decided that we want ctrl-alt-del to take the system down, then it should do it consistantly. My point is that since it doesn't currently do that, changing it will confuse people and possibly lead to bad results. -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone want to make a Debian XDM login screen?
Raul Miller wrote: I've several times been very glad ctrl-alt-del did not work in X. You see, my main server is often in X, another computer here isn't, and I typically get the keyboards confused and breath a huge sigh of relief when I realize X ignored the ctrl-alt-del. That can be configured by people who need it. To turn off ctrl-alt-del for non-x you edit /etc/inittab I don't think you understood what I said. I want ctrl-alt-del for non-X, but adding it for X will cause problems. -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who has the dpkg source tree ?
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: It will not have escaped the attention of the Project that dpkg hasn't been very well maintained of late. Klee seems to have dropped out of sight; I presume he's too busy doing paid work or something. I'm currently very busy with the leadership role and a couple of other free software programs (userv, about which I'll be giving a paper at the Linux Kongress, and sauce - `software against unsolicited commercial email', an as yet unreleased SMTP-receiver with some totally fascist checking). I think we need someone to coordinate getting releases out, making minor fixes (like the debian-changelog-mode.el thing), etc. I am willing to do this. I have already done a cvs co on the source. I would just need to have the ability to upload my changes. Whoever does this job I'd like them to fix minor and packaging bugs as maintainer (rather than non-maintainer) releases. They'll be authorised to close bug reports they have included fixes for or which are obviously bogus. They should accept simple patches to correct uncontroversial bugs from anyone, but anything else should be vetted by me or Klee, and only Klee or I should close nontrivial `mistaken' bug reports. Doesn't sound too dificult. I have started getting good as of late regarding debian/rules et al(I am working on converting egcs debian/rules to debhelper, without having anything special in the file(requires a few simple patches to debhelper)). Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg memory usage
Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On `small memory' systems dpkg switches to a different data structure which is about twice as slow for general access on a big machine, but has a much smaller working set so is much faster for setup and access on small machines. dpkg uses sysinfo(2) to guess which algorithm to use, and you can force one or the other using command line options. I have checked this on a 3Mb system and it worked as expected. You might want to tune the threshold upwards. At least on this 16M machine --smallmem is noticeably faster and causes less disk thrashing. (The resulting structures will still be editable with emacs.) Yay, of course everything is editable with emacs... It does ask the kernel to confirm that changes have been committed to disk before it continues. Using fsync, you realize Linux's fsync implementation is to do a full sync. It's probably the cause of much of the disk activity, but quite important. Steve Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think a single text file would be noticably faster than a bunch of *.list files, but I don't know how much time is spent on I/O and how much is spent on building data structures in memory. (It would save the time of scanning the directory, opening and closing all the files.) Opening files in a large directory can be extremely inefficient in many Unix varieties. The kernel has to do a linear search for each the file. Linux 2.1 should be faster because of the dentry stuff, but even so it would be more efficient to use a directory for each package with the various control files inside. greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dictd and wordnet
Hi, This is in response to your message of Wed, 8 Apr 1998. I apologize for taking so long to get back to you. As I said before, I am packaging dictd, containing the client server software developed by the DICT Group. There will be a number of separate packages containing the dictionary databases used by the server. One of these is the WordNet 1.6 database. The dictd server is queried with a word, and returns all definitions of that word found in the dictionaries available to it. The most important of these is the 1913 Webster's Unabridged Dictionary, which provides very lengthy definitions, illustrated by quotations from literature. Since the 1913 Webster is out of date (but also out of copyright), it is supplemented by WordNet. This provides some redundancy, but is very comprehensive. The dictd server does not use the special lexical/syntactical organization of WordNet - it simply uses it as an alphabetized list of words and definitions. None of the WordNet software or documentation is included in the dictd package of wordnet. The dict versions of the databases utilize a special .dz file format, which is produced by the dictzip program. This is a compressed format that permits searching by decompressing only relatively small portions of a large file. As far as I can see, the WordNet software would not work with the database as formatted by dictd, and dictd would not work with the WordNet database as distributed. Therefore there would not be any direct benefit to have the two packages maintained by the same person. However, I think that most people who would use one would want to install the other. I currently use dict regularly, and will certainly install the wordnet package on my machine. I had been thinking about taking over the wordnet packages, but you got there first, and I won't argue about it. If you change your mind about them, let me know. We must coordinate the location and name of the WordNet database file(s). The dictd program installs them in /usr/lib/dict/wn.dict.dz and /usr/lib/dict/wn.index. I doubt if that will conflict with the WordNet names and locations. I plan to name the package containing the WordNet database dict-wn, so there shouldn't be any further namespace conflicts. I have completed my packages dictd and dict, but will not release them until I have the database packages ready. The 1913 Webster is held up because of a copyright problem, so I don't think I will be able to release any of these packages before the end of this month. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg memory usage
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: ... I also intend to change the format of the /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list database to make it faster to load, and I may change /var/lib/dpkg/status too. (The resulting structures will still be editable with emacs.) I've written a Regina REXX program to run some comparisons between the dpkg/status file and current Packages (+non-free, contrib, nonus) files. It currently shows which files need updating, misconfigured packages, shows a deb's paragraph from the Packages file. I think it would be useful to others. Would anyone like to have a look at it and give me some feedback? I have a few questions. Is the status file likely to change radically? Or the Packages format? Which program updates /var/lib/dpkg/available? I've been making a Packages file by catting together all the Packages files (non-free, ...) and putting the file in /tmp. Can I, as root, make the dpkg/available file from this catted file without screwing the package management up? Thanks. Rick -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: *** The Upcoming Release of Hamm ***
Hi, Hartmut == Hartmut Koptein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can I propose the following ? When we get into this state we announce an `early beta' and delay the release for at least a further two weeks to see if any more release-necessary bugs arise, or if there is discussion about the status of a bug. Hartmut Make it harder! From now on no new upstream versions to Hartmut frozen. Cleaning Incoming. 1. May is 'early beta' and 1. June Hartmut is release time (to have some more time for arch maintainers Hartmut and testers). On what basis have you decided that no pstrem bug fixes shall be allowed from now on? Seems to me, looking at the bugs out there, that we are not yet in a position to say waaal, we almost have a good enough system, so let us not rock the boat anymore. The release date should be based on the state of the system, not on the calendar. The priority is quality, rather than a deadline. (I am not saying we allow upstream releases indefinitely; I am saying the reasons for moving to an early beta stage should be less arbitrary, and be based on a more solid technical ground). manoj -- Mind you, not as bad as the night Archie Pettigrew ate some sheep's testicles for a bet...God, that bloody sheep kicked him... Ripping Yarns Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: assorted bugs in 2.0 install
Hi, Alex == Alex Romosan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex we got 4 new computers running debian (1.3.1) and in the process Alex of upgrading them to 2.0 i found the following problems: Alex (1) kernel-package doesn't know how to deal with spaces before Alex the block devices in the /etc/fstab file. i know you would say Alex that not many people would run into this situtation, but Alex varesearch ships such an fstab file and the kernel-package was Alex totally confused by it. it took me a while too to figure out Alex what was happening. mount doesn't forbid spaces before the first Alex field so i think kernel-package should be able to deal with it. I have now fixed this in my sources. I would appreciate a bug report on things like this, since it was mere happenstance that I noticed this message. Expect an upgrade in a day or so. manoj -- You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. Beard Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone want to make a Debian XDM login screen?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David A. van Leeuwen) wrote:
I'd opt for a `shutdown' button on the XDM login screen.
Right now there isn't a simple way of bringing the machine down---as
far as i know. Even ctrl-alt-del doesn't work in XFree86.
Of course, care should be taken that this can be done only from the
console---if necessary, only after typing a shutdown password.
There is an easy way to get this button on your screen, assuming that you
have the TCL/TK packages installed.
Add the following seven lines to /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0:
/usr/bin/wish EOF
wm geometry . +0-0
button .halt -text Halt -command {exec shutdown -h now}
button .reboot -text Reboot -command {exec shutdown -r now}
pack .halt .reboot -side left
EOF
echo $! /var/run/xdmbutton.pid
and add the following line to /etc/X11/xdm/Xstartup_0:
if test -r /var/run/xdmbutton.pid; then kill `cat /var/run/xdmbutton.pid`; fi
This will pop up two buttons in the lower left corner of your screen. The
Halt button will shut down your system, while the Reboot button will
reboot (useful if you also have Windows 95 *yuck* on your computer).
In my opinion, this is much more useful than Ctrl-Alt-Delete.
Brian
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Re: assorted bugs in 2.0 install
I have now fixed this in my sources. I would appreciate a bug report on things like this, since it was mere happenstance that I noticed this message. Expect an upgrade in a day or so. i was going to do this eventually, i just first wanted to see what other people thought about this. i don't like to rush in and fill a bug report just in case i turn out to be wrong. --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dictd and wordnet
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: I had been thinking about taking over the wordnet packages, but you got there first, and I won't argue about it. If you change your mind about them, let me know. I'm in the process of becomming a Debian maintainer. Unfortunately this process isn't finished since two weeks (may be it is delayed because of the efforts in the upcomming hamm release). I would like to maintain wordnet than. But may be I would need your help because it is my first serious package (I don't consider xteddy to be serious but only for the sake of learning maintaining a package). We must coordinate the location and name of the WordNet database file(s). The dictd program installs them in /usr/lib/dict/wn.dict.dz and /usr/lib/dict/wn.index. I doubt if that will conflict with the WordNet names and locations. I plan to name the package containing the WordNet database dict-wn, so there shouldn't be any further namespace conflicts. I will have this in mind. Would you think that /usr/lib/dict is an appropriate directory for the Wordnet database (the filenames didn't conflict!). It is the first time that I have a deeper look at wordnet (this means I used it about one year but never looked at it in detail). So if you have some experiences at if you expect serious trouble for a beginner (not in C programming but in dictionary software) please let me know. In this case we should talk about the better maintainer. Kind regards Andreas. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
where can i get debhelper and lintian
A man told me about these package but i dont know where i can find them. Are they far better than the debmake ? -- Julien Ortega -- EXTERN e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where can i get debhelper and lintian
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 09:35:44AM +0200, Julien Ortega wrote: A man told me about these package but i dont know where i can find them. They're part of the distribution - hamm. The newest lintian is in the incoming since yesterday - and installed on master+va. Are they far better than the debmake ? debhelper are better than debmake, yes, lintian is somehting else. Regards, Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / / The MS-DOS filesystem is nice for removable media / / -- H. Peter Anvin / -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where can i get debhelper and lintian
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 09:35:44AM +0200, Julien Ortega wrote: A man told me about these package but i dont know where i can find them. Are they far better than the debmake ? debhelper is a replacement for debmake. Unlike debmake, debhelper is composed of many different scripts; debmake is just one big program. So you can use whichever parts of debhelper you want and not use the other parts. Also, debmake has a history of not being fully policy-compliant, although it has a new author now (Santiago) who has rectified this problem I believe. lintian is not a debmake replacement, but rather a package checker. It looks for things in your package that violate or may violate the Debian policy. You should get into the habit of running lintian before uploading, because it's going to be run on uploaded packages on master soon I understand. hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MGL graphics library freed!
SciTech, the producers of MGL (a graphics library used to develop games like Hexen II and Quake for Windows) have decided to make that library open source software, by changing its license to a derivative of the MPL. (See their note at the GGI mail-list: http://www.ggi-project.org/mailinglist/apr98/288.html ) They are asking for comments on their license. If you are interested, you can find it at: http://www.scitechsoft.com/mgl-license.txt Anyone willing to debianize that stuff? -- Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free licences
Hi! Isn't mikmod free now? From sunsite: /apps/sound/players/mikmod-3.0.3.lsm Copying-policy: Free, no strings attached From mikmod-3.0.3.tar.gz license.txt: MikMod is now under a free-with-no-strings-attached-if-it-breaks-you-get-to- keep-both-pieces type of license. Basically this means: a) We're not responsible for anything you do with this program, anything anything this program does to you, or for the little incident involving the goat, the nun, and the jar of vasoline that occurred last summer. b) We're not charging you anything for this. You don't owe us anything. On the other hand, we don't owe you anything, either. Try to keep that in mind when writing us... We'd also prefer that, should you pass this program on to friends, that you keep it free for them too. And keep this message intact as well. This is open-source software. That means the source code is free for you to inspect and dissect, learn from, be disgusted by, whatever. If you make any great additions to MikMod, we'd like to see them! - Peter Amstutz So shouldn't mikmod be moved from non-free to main? Roni (IRC: _crash) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lists archives outside debian.org
There now appear to be a few search sites that cover a lot of mailing lists: http://www.reference.com/ and http://www.findmail.com/ Both already have many major linux lists (like [EMAIL PROTECTED]) (for reference.com: search mailing list directory for Linux; for findmail.com: see http://www.findmail.com/lists/Computers/Operating%20Systems/Linux/), but neither archives the Debian lists. I think it would be useful to archive the Debian lists there too (in addition to our www.debian.org archive). Greetings, Ray -- J.H.M. Dassen | RUMOUR Believe all you hear. Your world may [EMAIL PROTECTED] | not be a better one than the one the blocks | live in but it'll be a sight more vivid. | - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reassign 21164 libc6 Bug#21164: Realtime lock in linuxthreads Bug assigned to package `libc6'. reassign 21170 general Bug#21170: dpkg malfunction-unable to upgrade Debian Bug assigned to package `general'. reassign 21175 tix41 Bug#21175: Can't load Tix dynamically Bug assigned to package `tix41'. thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Ian Jackson (administrator, Debian bugs database) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#21170: dpkg malfunction-unable to upgrade Debian
You wrote: Apparently, it doesn't like version numbers in Packages which contain a colon. It stops at cdda2wav, because the version number contains :. That's the epoch feature, used in cases where the upstream version numbering scheme changed, to make set dpkg's idea of which versions are newer than others straight. My old version of dpkg is 1.2.11 (i386 elf), I'm trying to install Debian 1.3.1. Your version of dpkg does not support epochs. You'll have to upgrade dpkg with dpkg first (dpkg -i dpkg-from-1.3.1.deb) (if that doesn't work, do dpkg --clear-avail, then dpkg -i dpkg-from-1.3.1.deb). After that upgrade, you should be able to continue with dselect. This information used to be in the upgrades/ directory on the FTP site, but has apparently been removed. HTH, Ray -- J.H.M. Dassen | RUMOUR Believe all you hear. Your world may [EMAIL PROTECTED] | not be a better one than the one the blocks | live in but it'll be a sight more vivid. | - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who has the dpkg source tree ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Jackson) writes: The third member of [EMAIL PROTECTED] is Michael Alan Dorman. I haven't seen much from him recently (most recent message from him on debian-devel on the 30th of March). Michael, are you there ? Are you planning to put out a new dpkg release any time soon ? Yes and yes. I've got a tree that has, among other things, debian-changelog.el working with the new emacs. I need to integrate the changes Miquel and Juan made. I'm hoping that a temporary respite from RL this weekend will allow me to finish. When this is done and I have a libc6 development environment (which I don't atm) I want to get back into doing development - and particularly, bugfixing. It could not be soon enough...:-) Mike. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MGL graphics library freed!
Enrique Zanardi wrote: SciTech, the producers of MGL (a graphics library used to develop games like Hexen II and Quake for Windows) have decided to make that library open source software, by changing its license to a derivative of the MPL. (See their note at the GGI mail-list: http://www.ggi-project.org/mailinglist/apr98/288.html ) They are asking for comments on their license. If you are interested, you can find it at: http://www.scitechsoft.com/mgl-license.txt Anyone willing to debianize that stuff? I had a look at the license and there are restrictions on the distribution of modified versions. Seems to me, it'd go into non-free. Thanks, Luis. -- Luis Francisco Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint = F8 B1 13 DE 22 22 94 A1 14 BE 95 8E 49 39 78 76 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uploaded timidity-patches 0.1-3 (source all) to master
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 04:37:31AM +1000, Martin Mitchell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Format: 1.5 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:20:12 +1000 Source: timidity-patches Binary: timidity-patches Uhh... Is the copyright surely clear? I remember that 4-front tech was nearly sued for distributing stuff only mentioned for GUS ownners... Riku Voipio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dumping core: root vs. normal user
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Eloy A. Paris, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote: an easy one: why when root runs a program that faults core is not dumped but when a normal user runs the same program a core is dumped? My educated guess on this is that there could be sensitive data in the root core dump. I remember this was true on some unix I've worked on in the past, but I can't remember which one. Darren - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.daft.com/~torin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Darren Stalder/2608 Second Ave, @282/Seattle, WA 98121-1212/USA/+1-800-921-4996 @ Sysadmin, webweaver, postmaster for hire. C/Perl/CGI programmer and tutor. @ @Make a little hot-tub in your soul. @ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBNTXVYY4wrq++1Ls5AQF17QQAogEPIHUIu1Y31blCyUIAn8YNFOksQpD/ tA/sKBf1iwhUW+yTTV17u1OWYlKmm6GySNME+bye4nvy0VP6j3XpK00qKAuhiAjR R8ve9I0dbbDm4fvOCXd2SlbBwM/XJNNA+UyKjat1ywFHrCv8OEnYfJ42S9ljCl32 YrAkG/ZxDPg= =intv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone want to make a Debian XDM login screen?
Previously Brian Mays wrote: There is an easy way to get this button on your screen, assuming that you have the TCL/TK packages installed. I've done the same thing (using Motif), but added a confirmation check.. I've found that when I move the mouse or press a mousebutton when the screen is in powersaving can have very disconcerting effects with a reset-button out there.. Wichert. -- == This combination of bytes forms a message written to you by Wichert Akkerman. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.wi.leidenuniv.nl/~wichert/ pgpE2wNkgh8hQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: MGL graphics library freed!
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 12:38:59PM +0100, Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote: Enrique Zanardi wrote: SciTech, the producers of MGL (a graphics library used to develop games like Hexen II and Quake for Windows) have decided to make that library open source software, by changing its license to a derivative of the MPL. (See their note at the GGI mail-list: http://www.ggi-project.org/mailinglist/apr98/288.html ) They are asking for comments on their license. If you are interested, you can find it at: http://www.scitechsoft.com/mgl-license.txt Anyone willing to debianize that stuff? I had a look at the license and there are restrictions on the distribution of modified versions. Seems to me, it'd go into non-free. Sure? I haven't read it thoroughly, but section 2.1 allows distribution of the original source code, with or without modifications. And section 3.6 allows distribution of executables. Am I missing something? (Also, this license is not so different from the MPL, so I would be surprised to see some non-freeness in it). -- Enrique Zanardi[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dictd and wordnet
Hi, You wrote: I'm in the process of becomming a Debian maintainer. Unfortunately this process isn't finished since two weeks (may be it is delayed because of the efforts in the upcomming hamm release). I would like to maintain wordnet than. But may be I would need your help because it is my first serious package (I don't consider xteddy to be serious but only for the sake of learning maintaining a package). I'm also a new maintainer, and dictd is my first package, so it's doubtful that I could give you much help, but I'll be glad to try if you have problems. You should subscribe to debian-mentors, if you haven't already. A number of very experienced developers read that list and are very quick to respond with helpful answers. Would you think that /usr/lib/dict is an appropriate directory for the Wordnet database (the filenames didn't conflict!). The old WordNet packages used usr/lib/wordnet/dict/. I believe either /usr/lib/dict/ or /usr/lib/dict/wordnet/ (since wordnet installs about 25 files, it could justify its own subdirectory) would be appropriate. As far as I can see, all three of these choices would conform to the FSSTND. When we move to the FHS, I believe they would go into /usr/share. Regards, Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where can i get debhelper and lintian
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're part of the distribution - hamm. The newest lintian is in the incoming since yesterday - and installed on master+va. IIRC, Christian's message yesterday said the newest lintian was in slink, not hamm. I downloaded it from slink on ftp.debian.org yesterday. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dictd and wordnet
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: Would you think that /usr/lib/dict is an appropriate directory for the Wordnet database (the filenames didn't conflict!). The old WordNet packages used usr/lib/wordnet/dict/. I believe either /usr/lib/dict/ or /usr/lib/dict/wordnet/ (since wordnet installs about 25 files, it could justify its own subdirectory) would be appropriate. As far as I can see, all three of these choices would conform to the FSSTND. When we move to the FHS, I believe they would go into /usr/share. Actually, /usr/share/dict. Shouldn't new package be constructed from the start to use FHS? What format are these files in? Are they ASCII? The reason I ask is that I'm the maintainer of the cracklib package that uses lists of words to prevent the selection of easily guessed passwords. If the wordnet database is in a suitable format, it may make an excellect source or words for cracklib. -- Jean Pierre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dictd and wordnet
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: I'm also a new maintainer, and dictd is my first package, so it's doubtful that I could give you much help, but I'll be glad to try if you have problems. You should subscribe to debian-mentors, if you haven't already. A number of very experienced developers read that list and are very quick to respond with helpful answers. OK, I'll do that. The old WordNet packages used usr/lib/wordnet/dict/. I believe This seemed me a bad choice and so I wanted to change it. either /usr/lib/dict/ or /usr/lib/dict/wordnet/ (since wordnet installs The last choice /usr/lib/dict/wordnet is possibly the best one in my opinion. about 25 files, it could justify its own subdirectory) would be appropriate. As far as I can see, all three of these choices would conform to the FSSTND. When we move to the FHS, I believe they would go into /usr/share. Hmm, so we should think about using /usr/share from the beginning because hamm is frozen and will not contain wordnet ( :-( ) and 2.1 will move to FHS. That would mean that the wordnet dictionaries should go into /usr/share/dict/wordnet right? Regards Andreas. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dictd and wordnet
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote: Actually, /usr/share/dict. Shouldn't new package be constructed from the start to use FHS? I think so and my favourite directory is /usr/share/dict/wordnet What format are these files in? Are they ASCII? The reason I ask is that I'm the maintainer of the cracklib package that uses lists of words to prevent the selection of easily guessed passwords. If the wordnet database is in a suitable format, it may make an excellect source or words for cracklib. Yes there are some ASCII databases which *may be* usefull for your purpose. The index files are interesting for you. They contain after a header where each line starts with two blanks an alphabetical list of words. Each word is in one line followed by some digits which you can ignore. Regards Andreas. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Bug#20445 disagree
Marcus, I was just clarifying (once more) the status of gettext in Debian. It is in experimental because the author asked me not to distribute it widely. This means that even if it is not accesable by dselect, we should not put it on CDs yet. Ah. I had forgotten that. If a package being in experimental does not implicitly mean not to be distributed in CDs, then we would need definitely another different experimental for gettext. I'm not sure whether or not experimental is appropriate for gettext, then. An alternative would be to place the packagen on a web site somewhere and remove it from the Debian ftp site altogether. Of course, there are also possibly (probably) non-free packages that sit in project experimental and so we couldn't just include that directory as-is anyway. Perhaps including project/experimental isn't such a good idea after all. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Bug#20445 disagree
From a logical point of view, I think project/experimental is the best choice. Why don't we include selected directories from there on the official CD (I think of gettext (ouch, don't beat me), 2.1.x software, ...)? Project/experimental is not part of hamm. Yes. That's exactly my point. I don't want these packages to be part of Hamm since they won't run on a stock Hamm system. The main (only?) concern is about including these on the CD. If we were to include project/experimental on the CD, they those packages would be there. As release manager, I don't have a problem including project/experimental as long as there is room. The choices are: don't ship them, ship them in contrib, or ship them in project/experimental. My preference would be the first or the third, but I'll allow the second. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.04. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Bug#20445 disagree
Why don't we include selected directories from there on the official CD (I think of gettext (ouch, don't beat me), 2.1.x software, ...)? gettext is in experimental so that it will *not* be included in CDs... If we start putting experimental things in CDs, then we should create another distribution really-experimental, since experimental seems not to be safe enough... I don't think there would be a problem. Project/experimental is not searched by dselect friends, so the only way it can be installed is someone cd'ing there and running dpkg by hand. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- He who laughs last usually make a backup. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: intent to package Netscape Communicator
Another thing to note... Dpkg won't let you build part of a package or assign different version numbers to different .deb files created from the same source. (At least, I've never been able to get it to do so.) Will this be nescessary? The libc5 thing is only temporary, and I don't have to do it, since we are moving into the future, which is libc6. It happens. Suppose new a new v4 package is released or new v5 source. If you wanted to re-build, then you would also be forced to rebuild _all_ packages mentioned in the control file, including the installer packages. I've got an outstanding bug report about this (I asked if the error could be reduced to a warning). Are you looking to be able to install multiple versions of netscape or just one at a time? I considered the former when I build the netscape4 package, but decided it was for more trouble than it was worth. I plan on being able to have navigator4 and communicator4, both static and motif, coexist. I will have to test it with netscape3, however. That makes things much more difficult, I found. The ns-install is nice for the installer script, but not so good for building packages since you don't know where it stores the debian/tmp/... paths in its files. The ns-install script doesn't store any paths in any files. They are probably already stored in the .nif files by netscape. I will most likely be getting around the problem with symlinks. Anyone see any problems with that? What symlinks do you mean? Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: intent to package Netscape Communicator
Another thing to note... Dpkg won't let you build part of a package or assign different version numbers to different .deb files created from the same source. (At least, I've never been able to get it to do so.) You certainly can do that, check out bash/libreadline for instance. Hmmm... Okay. When netscape and netscape-beta were different packages, I couldn't build only was as long as both descriptions were in the control file. I thought I'd also tried at one point to build different .debs with different versions numbers, but perhaps I just wasn't doing things correctly. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- The squeaky wheel doesn't always get the grease. Sometimes it gets replaced. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: *** The Upcoming Release of Hamm ***
So, when will Hamm be released? You decide. It's up to the devolpers to set the date by fixing the problems that are currently holding up the release. As soon as the last release-necessary bug gets closed or downgraded, we'll probably be ready to ship. Brian: I would like to have an exception mechanism so that bugs which cannot be fixed before release and which you determine not to be necessary to be fixed can be ignored without having to downgrade them. For example, you downgraded the dpkg dependency calculation problem (#1797) from `grave' to `normal' by someone. It is definitely grave (as defined), but I agree we should not hold up the release of bo for it. This can probably be done by just having you maintain a small exception list. Yeah. I always figured this was going to have to be done. Unfortunately it weakens the importance some maintainers will put on the bug because they figure I'll just get it excluded... To counter this, I'm not even going to take recommendations for this list until the system is otherwise ready to ship. And then I'll only allow it in cases where it really wasn't possible to fix the bug in the time given. It's a wishy-washy/touchy-feeling kind of judgement, which I truely hate because it isn't obvious to everyone else, but I think it's the only way. My advice to anyone who's thinking their bug will get included on that list: don't count on it. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Premature optimization is the root of all evil. -- Donald Knuth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: *** The Upcoming Release of Hamm ***
So, when will Hamm be released? You decide. It's up to the devolpers to set the date by fixing the problems that are currently holding up the release. As soon as the last release-necessary bug gets closed or downgraded, we'll probably be ready to ship. Can I propose the following ? When we get into this state we announce an `early beta' and delay the release for at least a further two weeks to see if any more release-necessary bugs arise, or if there is discussion about the status of a bug. That's a good idea. I'll talk with the testing group and see when they think this would be feasable. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
elvis package
I will take over the orphaned elvis package, unless someone else has already said they'll do it. Martin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fltk and XForms compliance
The author has stated that this is no longer a goal of his library. Also, many of the XForms apps that we use would require modifications because the author of fltk did not re-create anything that took an X type as an argument (like XEvent). It is possible to make the XForm apps work w/ fltk, however it would be a better idea to contact the authors and see if they would port their apps to fltk. fltk is smaller and from what little I have played w/ it -- nicer. There is only one other small problem to over come. The author does not like to use shared libs and does not ship with make files to do this. Should not be hard but it is something to consider. -- --- How can you see, when your mind is not open? How can you think, when your eyes are closed? - Jason Bonham Band, Ordinary Black and White --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Colored Shell
I have had Linux on my machine before (Slackware) and had a shell that had different colors assigned by file type. It was pretty nice. I cannot find the shell that does this in the newest version of Debian. Any suggestions. Help on changing shells at login would be appreciated as well (I am a little rusty). Thanks, Pat Quick [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR [EMAIL PROTECTED] (where I have subscribed to the News lists)
Re: Spamming people
On Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 08:19:29PM -0700, boobileedoo wrote: please get someone to spam [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] plus get some one to spam [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanx Why? Isn't spamming supposed to be wrong? What makes it wrong for people to spam is if it's not wrong for us to spam them? pgpi9HMf1ILXE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Bug#20445 disagree
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Brian White: Project/experimental is not searched by dselect friends apt does search in experimental, as far as I know. If a package being in experimental does not implicitly mean not to be distributed in CDs, then we would need definitely another different experimental for gettext. I'm not sure whether or not experimental is appropriate for gettext, then. I'm sure experimental is appropriate for gettext, as long as we all are sure that experimental is not appropriate to be put in CDs. Perhaps including project/experimental isn't such a good idea after all. I agree. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNTZBySqK7IlOjMLFAQH5rgQAmjQP5oSm1ap5M4OGTscG7mceTdey4QyJ yYmkOTZrRw+O6fMfrXsT1jLfIq8+1LTKpN5mt4ODePqRToYQb2p2hr3/lNhVGcQP Z5fKWZtRb9v9vN0eC8VlKs1RYVUk/B9tEuK9ZbvLaTOReElEvY/PrH+1XRah562Y 77bJyj2XJOQ= =5PU8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MGL graphics library freed!
Enrique Zanardi wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 12:38:59PM +0100, Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote: Enrique Zanardi wrote: SciTech, the producers of MGL (a graphics library used to develop games like Hexen II and Quake for Windows) have decided to make that library open source software, by changing its license to a derivative of the MPL. (See their note at the GGI mail-list: http://www.ggi-project.org/mailinglist/apr98/288.html ) They are asking for comments on their license. If you are interested, you can find it at: http://www.scitechsoft.com/mgl-license.txt Anyone willing to debianize that stuff? I had a look at the license and there are restrictions on the distribution of modified versions. Seems to me, it'd go into non-free. Sure? I haven't read it thoroughly, but section 2.1 allows distribution of the original source code, with or without modifications. And section 3.6 allows distribution of executables. Am I missing something? (Also, this license is not so different from the MPL, so I would be surprised to see some non-freeness in it). OK. It seems I looked at a differnt license (http://www.scitechsoft.com/down_lic.html) and never went past the PREAMBLE: SciTech Software does however reserve the right as the sole distributor of the library source code. Hence although we encourage you to change and modify the library to suit your needs, you may not distribute derivative works based on the library source code without express written permission from SciTech Software. I guess they still need to clean up their site. Luis. -- Luis Francisco Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint = F8 B1 13 DE 22 22 94 A1 14 BE 95 8E 49 39 78 76 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Colored Shell
First, this belongs on debian-user -- not devel. The color came from ls. Debian also ships this version of ls. read ls's man page and all should be clear. Pat Quick wrote: I have had Linux on my machine before (Slackware) and had a shell that had different colors assigned by file type. It was pretty nice. I cannot find the shell that does this in the newest version of Debian. Any suggestions. Help on changing shells at login would be appreciated as well (I am a little rusty). Thanks, Pat Quick [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR [EMAIL PROTECTED] (where I have subscribed to the News lists) -- --- How can you see, when your mind is not open? How can you think, when your eyes are closed? - Jason Bonham Band, Ordinary Black and White --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Colored Shell
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Pat Quick wrote: I have had Linux on my machine before (Slackware) and had a shell that had different colors assigned by file type. It was pretty nice. I cannot find the shell that does this in the newest version of Debian. Any suggestions. Help on changing shells at login would be appreciated as well (I am a little rusty). Before I answer the question, two request. First, debian-user is the correct list for these types of questions. Second, try to hit enter every 75 characters or so since your mail program doesn't seem to do this for you. (I'm not flaming you, they are the kind of things you learn by trial and error.) To get the color ls, put: alias ls='ls --color=auto' in your .bashrc and .bash_profile or in the /etc/profile. To change your shell, use chsh. HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blender
Darn. I downloaded blender today, but it needs a libc5 version of mesa 2.6 and libjpeg. So it doesn't work on my stock hamm system 8(. I wrote to the people at Blender and asked about a libc6 version, and what license they were going to release it under (pointing them to the DFSG of course), I and I just got a reply! Ton Roosendaal wrote: Thanks for your message. The current Linux version of Blender has troubles with newer libc's. We are working at it. I think we'll release a version with the old libc static linked. I am very excited by the idea of GPL'ing our source codes. But we are not ready for it now. I'll check out the debian site! Yippee! btw, you can download the Blender at: http://www.neogeo.nl/loadlinux.html Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blender
Behan == Behan Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Behan Darn. I downloaded blender today, but it needs a libc5 Behan version of mesa 2.6 and libjpeg. So it doesn't work on my Behan stock hamm system 8(. Behan I wrote to the people at Blender and asked about a libc6 Behan version, and what license they were going to release it Behan under (pointing them to the DFSG of course), I and I just Behan got a reply! I wrote the Blender folks too and got a very nice reply, pretty much the same as yours. They seem to know what's going on! Ben -- Brought to you by the letters C and Y and the number 19. I don't want the world.. I just want your half. -- They Might Be Giants Ben Gertzfield http://www.imsa.edu/~wilwonka/ Finger me for my public PGP key. I'm on FurryMUCK as Che, and EFNet and YiffNet IRC as Che_Fox. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Colored Shell
Pat Quick wrote: I have had Linux on my machine before (Slackware) and had a shell that had different colors assigned by file type. It was pretty nice. I cannot find the shell that does this in the newest version of Debian. Any suggestions. Help on changing shells at login would be appreciated as well (I am a little rusty). What you are looking for is color ls. http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/RedHat/Color-ls-Tips.html [Some info is RH specific] S. -- Whom the gods would destroy, they first teach BASIC. Sudhakar C13n International Websites Engineer http://people.netscape.com/thaths/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X11_release_note.txt
While working on the install doc, I noticed X11_release_note.txt which is a note for debian X users with non-US keyboards. That note seems to be a *little* outdated. Would someone with knowledge of the issues care to update it, or if no update is needed, at least change the versions of the packages etc. Thanks, Igor -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Aiding the constitutional procedure [was Re: Automation of the constitutional procedure]
James A.Treacy writes (Re: Aiding the constitutional procedure [was Re: Automation of the constitutional procedure]): [Dale:] While I agree with the merrits of your previous arguments, I don't see what this has to do with the constitution. The secretary has powers which allow the secretary to execute that office. As long as section 4.2.5 is not violated then you are quite right. I was simply over-reacting to the tone in Ian's response. Section 4.2(5) is violated only if the Secretary requires developers to propose motions c by mailing their bot in a special format, rather than by posting a normal message to debian-devel (or whatever other list we end up using). The Secretary can of course maintain the data in such a bot themselves, if they want to. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg memory usage
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (Re: dpkg memory usage): ... I've written a Regina REXX program to run some comparisons between the dpkg/status file and current Packages (+non-free, contrib, nonus) files. It currently shows which files need updating, misconfigured packages, shows a deb's paragraph from the Packages file. I think it would be useful to others. Would anyone like to have a look at it and give me some feedback? I have a few questions. Is the status file likely to change radically? Or the Packages format? The Packages format will not. The status file may well. Which program updates /var/lib/dpkg/available? I've been making a Packages file by catting together all the Packages files (non-free, ...) and putting the file in /tmp. dpkg updates /var/lib/dpkg/available. See dpkg --help. Can I, as root, make the dpkg/available file from this catted file without screwing the package management up? At the moment, yes, but I don't promise that this will continue to be the case. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: elvis package
On Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 03:22:46AM +1000, Martin Mitchell wrote: I will take over the orphaned elvis package, unless someone else has already said they'll do it. Elvis is non-free and the author ignores all mail coming from us, both copyright mails as well as bugreports and fixes. We have about 4 or 5 other vi clones so there is no need for re-packaging it. If you don't need it I'd appreciate you work on better packages. Sorry, Joey -- / Martin Schulze * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * 26129 Oldenburg / / The MS-DOS filesystem is nice for removable media / / -- H. Peter Anvin / pgpN3kxYVj4CI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Constitution - formal proposal (v0.6.1)
I think we should make it someone's job to collate versions and amendments c, so that the secretary doesn't have to do it unless they want to. So, I'm considering inserting after A.2 `Calling for a vote' 2.: 3. The person who calls for a vote states what they believe the wordings of the resolution and any relevant amendments are, and consequently what form the ballot should take. However, the final decision on the form of ballot(s) is the Secretary's - see 7.1(1), 7.1(3) and A.3(6). This puts the onus on the people proposing resolutions and amendments to sort out the tedious details. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X Strike Force homepage up
It's still pretty skeletal as far as style of presentation goes, but that's subordinate to the content, which has been significantly updated. My ideas about what the X Strike Force is and what it should do are there. If anyone would like to help improve X, I urge you to take a look and see if there's a role you can fill. Some of the jobs will not be terribly difficult (like the X servers, which will mainly consist of reproducing old bugs); others will be more demanding. Anders Hammarquist and James Troup: I expect you in particular will each be interested in a couple of the roles available, but I don't want to volunteer you without your consent. Please check it out. http://master.debian.org/~branden/xsf.html -- G. Branden Robinson | The first thing the communists do when Purdue University | they take over a country is to outlaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] | cockfighting. http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | -- Oklahoma State Senator John Monks pgpmyD83YIPUE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: dpkg memory usage
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gregory S. Stark) wrote on 15.04.98 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Opening files in a large directory can be extremely inefficient in many Unix varieties. The kernel has to do a linear search for each the file. Linux 2.1 should be faster because of the dentry stuff, but even so it would be more efficient to use a directory for each package with the various control files inside. That doesn't make that much difference. It's really the huge number of packages that bites us, not the number of files per package. One way to improve this would be copying the terminfo system, that is, putting every file in a subdirectory that's just the first letter of the filename. That reduces info to 26 subdirectories, each of which has a lot less files than info has today. There are other ways to do it, of course. MfG Kai -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dictd and wordnet
Jean Pierre LeJacq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, /usr/share/dict. Shouldn't new package be constructed from the start to use FHS? IIRC, it is intended to implement the FHS with symlinks initially. Until a definite announcement is made regarding the policy for implementing the FHS, I expect to continue following the FSSTND. What format are these files in? Are they ASCII? The reason I ask is that I'm the maintainer of the cracklib package that uses lists of words to prevent the selection of easily guessed passwords. If the wordnet database is in a suitable format, it may make an excellect source or words for cracklib. The wordnet database is ASCII. The wordnet packages have been orphaned, but you can download the wordnetbase_1.5-1 sources from debian/project/orphaned/ on the mirrors. The dictionary databases for the dict program, which I am packaging, are compressed in .dz format. This is close enough to .gz that zless can read it. The sources are ASCII after extracting from the tarball. They may be obtained from ftp.cs.unc.edu/pub/users/faith/dict or ftp.dict.org/pub/dict. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dictd and wordnet
Hi, The old WordNet packages used usr/lib/wordnet/dict/. I believe This seemed me a bad choice and so I wanted to change it. I agree. It seems undesirable to create a directory with nothing in it but a subdirectory, if there is no expectation of adding more files or directories to it. either /usr/lib/dict/ or /usr/lib/dict/wordnet/ (since wordnet installs The last choice /usr/lib/dict/wordnet is possibly the best one in my opinion. Agreed. Hmm, so we should think about using /usr/share from the beginning because hamm is frozen and will not contain wordnet ( :-( ) and 2.1 will move to FHS. That would mean that the wordnet dictionaries should go into /usr/share/dict/wordnet right? I think so. However I haven't heard any policy statements about how to implement the FHS, so I don't know if its appropriate to start doing this now. Maybe someone more knowledgeable will comment on this. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Making the libc5-libc6 upgrade to be safe (was: netstd...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [ This was: Bug#13849: netstd should predepend on libreadlineg2 ] [ I would like to appeal to the technical comittee here. Unfortunately the technical comittee does not exist yet and all we have so far is debian-devel. Therefore we will have to discuss it here again ]. Summary: In a bo system, I managed to upgrade netstd without installing libreadlineg2 first and the simple ftp client stopped working. This is a really bad situation I really do not desire to anybody. This should not have happened if netstd would have a Pre-Depends line on libreadlineg2 (and libc6 ncurses also, probably). * On a system which is remotely administered, if for any reason the usual installing method fails (dselect and libnet-perl and such), it is very important to have an alternate method to fix the problem (as usual in Unix, you may do things in several ways). * The Murphy's law says that if dselect/libnet-perl is the *only* method that is always guaranteed to work and because of that we decide that no Pre-Depends is needed for netstd, then it is 100% sure that a lot of users (it happened to me!) will find that dselect/libnet-perl fails and will not find an alternate method to fix the problem. Probably the system is also 100Km away from where you are. * The total set of Pre-Depends targets is small (most Pre-Depends are on libc6, ncurses3.4). bash already Pre-Depends on libreadlineg2. Adding one more Pre-Depends on libreadlineg2 for netstd would not make a great harm. Not adding a Pre-Depends on libreadlineg2 *could* actually make a great harm. * netstd is not essential, not even required, but for people that really have netstd installed, netstd is *very* important. In short I think that the addition of this simple Pre-Depends field will make the libc5 to lib6 upgrade *much* more robust. Perhaps people doing the upgrade by using the mini-howto or autoup.sh will not notice it (no harm with these extra Pre-Depends), but people doing the upgrade by using dselect will certainly notice it (possible harm, which we can avoid, and therefore should avoid). So I repeat the question I formulated one month ago: Please, tell me how much harm does to add a Pre-Depends field on libc6, ncurses3.4 and libreadlineg2 for netstd. I can tell you how much inconvenience does *not* to add it and then we can make a comparison between those two inconveniences. Thanks. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNTZtvyqK7IlOjMLFAQH4owP+If+vI6TuUHt5q4mBG7gJWiHvVobl2zfi ufW7W6Nrcdo8RdLfOXBt/l1SqhmlxbkiK3yn4pEkR5jU3YTtoEy7SLKAbdVg+f/Y Mb2RBCwzzXhXV06wavi1HAjzo0OJkZ1KQRIKRTqqcD4grGMBPC9My0nRYoppIsST 3FP2cOx4624= =lYLS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making the libc5-libc6 upgrade to be safe (was: netstd...)
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Santiago Vila wrote: Please, tell me how much harm does to add a Pre-Depends field on libc6, ncurses3.4 and libreadlineg2 for netstd. I can tell you how much inconvenience does *not* to add it and then we can make a comparison between those two inconveniences. I've had trouble with this very problem in November when upgrading one of my machines to hamm (fortunatly, it was not 100kms away ;). Needless to say I'm in favor of adding this pre-dependency. (pre-)dependencies are used so it avoids your system to break when you upgrade it, and in this case the upgrade fails, so a pre-dependence is definatly needed. Cordialement, -- - Vincent RENARDIAS [EMAIL PROTECTED],pipo.com,debian.org} - - Debian/GNU Linux: Pipo:WAW: - - http://www.fr.debian.orghttp://www.pipo.com http://www.waw.com - --- - La fonctionnalite Son Visuel vous delivre des avertissements visuels. - - [Message durant l'installation de Windows95]:wq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Bug#20445 disagree
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 07:37:20PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: If a package being in experimental does not implicitly mean not to be distributed in CDs, then we would need definitely another different experimental for gettext. I'm not sure whether or not experimental is appropriate for gettext, then. I'm sure experimental is appropriate for gettext, as long as we all are sure that experimental is not appropriate to be put in CDs. Is gettext so unstable? I doubt it. If it is only in experimental because the upstream author expressed his wish not to distribute it widely, I consider this as an abuse of experimental/. Perhaps including project/experimental isn't such a good idea after all. I agree. I do not. I think the whole thing about free software is to spread it. Probably not on the binary CD, but what about the source CD, which is mainly interesting for developers. I hope some vendors will be kind enough to be not so picky. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lists archives outside debian.org
Am 16.04.98 schrieb jdassen # wi.leidenuniv.nl ... Moin [EMAIL PROTECTED] j http://www.reference.com/ j and j http://www.findmail.com/ Nice for spams :(. j I think it would be useful to archive the Debian lists there too (in j addition to our www.debian.org archive). No, please not. cu, Marco -- Uni: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fido: 2:240/5202.15 Mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.tu-harburg.de/~semb2204/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dictd and wordnet
On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 09:05:12AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: serious package (I don't consider xteddy to be serious but only for the sake of learning maintaining a package). I blame you for that. How can you take xteddy not serious? We need it. Everyone needs a teddy. This is human psychology. Could you make xteddy pop up at kernel oops? ;) Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Where are the boot floppies?
They don't seem to be in the Incoming mirrors, are they somewhere else? There's someone who posts periodically saying he has an automatically built iso image and boot floppies somewhere but I can't find any of his posts in the archives. Thanks, greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
