Re: Qt going GPL ...
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 03:20:40PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 04:55:51PM +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote: Who is going to ITP kde ? I guess RevKrusty may want to put his packages into Debian? He already uploaded kdelibs, I didn't see if it was installed. I was wondering what happened to it? It didn't appear in the archives, it wasn't moved to REJECT or DONE, it just disappeared. I was wondering if there was some long flame war on debian-private that I was missing. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http/ftp: dvdeug.dhis.org It was starting to rain on the night that they cried forever, It was blinding with snow on the night that they screamed goodbye. - Dio, Rock and Roll Children -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:29:32AM +1100, Donovan Baarda wrote: packages into unstable. Helix is too stable for unstable, and too unstable for stable. Not exactly true, as Helix Gnome is usually more cutting-edge than unstable Gnome. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http/ftp: dvdeug.dhis.org It was starting to rain on the night that they cried forever, It was blinding with snow on the night that they screamed goodbye. - Dio, Rock and Roll Children -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt2.2 released under the GPL
Bas Zoetekouw wrote: Thus spake happ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): enough said http://www.trolltech.com now we can move the ftp://kde.tdyc.com/pub/kde potato kde2 contrib back home Great! Has anyone yet packages available? If not, I'll be willing to ITP some. Qt 2.2 hasn't been released yet. Supposed to be released soon (Thursday?) though. -- | Jeff Teunissen - Pres., Dusk To Dawn Computing - deek at dusknet.dhs.org | Disclaimer: I am my employer, so anything I say goes for me too. :) | Core developer, The QuakeForge Projecthttp://www.quakeforge.net/ | Specializing in Debian GNU/Linux http://dusknet.dhs.org/~deek/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP lame
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 01:03:15PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lame/vorbis works alright. The problem I'm facing is lack of a good CLI ogg player. Whats wrong with ogg123? -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Def: Password: The nonsense word taped to the CRT. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgp3TjLjQeKal.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Qt going GPL ...
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 04:05:27PM -0500, David Starner wrote: I guess RevKrusty may want to put his packages into Debian? He already uploaded kdelibs, I didn't see if it was installed. I was wondering what happened to it? It didn't appear in the archives, it wasn't moved to REJECT or DONE, it just disappeared. I was wondering if there was some long flame war on debian-private that I was missing. Still in incoming... dont look at me :) -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - From a 1996 MicroSloth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want MicroSoft! -- See! They do get some things right! (I gotta stop stealing Sigs) - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgpH3zVWsSxQg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ITP lame
I have one wav file that when vorbis-encoded does not play correctly with ogg123 but plays with the xmms plugin. Plus there is not any native esd support. On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Michael Beattie wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 01:03:15PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lame/vorbis works alright. The problem I'm facing is lack of a good CLI ogg player. Whats wrong with ogg123? -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Def: Password: The nonsense word taped to the CRT. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X and runlevels
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 10:32:07AM +0200, Per Lundberg wrote: How come Debian don't have a non-X runlevel, like some other distributions, in the default configuration? I think this would be pretty convenient. Because no one has ever bothered to write a runlevel policy. -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux| If existence exists, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | why create a creator? http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | pgpAPdxG0OxxJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ITP lame
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 02:35:00PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one wav file that when vorbis-encoded does not play correctly with ogg123 but plays with the xmms plugin. Plus there is not any native esd support. My memory is flakey, but I believe there *is* esd support, (libao, a part of the vorbis cvs tree, has multiple output formats) anyway, if you say that the wav file does not play properly, contact the vorbis development team. They would love to hear from you. I will look at a new upload soon -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Where am I? Who are these people? - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgpM0yLDRMDQe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X and runlevels
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 02:51:46PM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: Actually, that used to be a problem (I've had that as well, where an incorrectly configured X e.g. for a different card caused an infinite loop of switching to X and back again, so that you never have the chance of switching with alt-ctrl-F1 and staying there). Nowadays xdm detects that the X server is looping, and after a couple of times stops restarting the X server. This has saved me once or twice. Thanks, Branden! (or was it someone else's work?) The code to do this has existed in xdm for a very long time, but XFree86 always shipped with it turned off. I turned it back on (it just involves a few resource settings for the display manager, see the xdm manpage), and sent patches to XFree86 a long time ago, but the patch was ignored, and Dirk Hohndel basically told me I was an idiot for doing so, because it might unexpectedly terminate the server in the quite common case of four X session logins in a row that averaged less than 6 seconds each... If you're saying, Huh? right about now, that's okay, because I did too. -- G. Branden Robinson | Experience should teach us to be most on Debian GNU/Linux| our guard to protect liberty when the [EMAIL PROTECTED] | government's purposes are beneficent. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Louis Brandeis pgpLog5Lv6r1L.pgp Description: PGP signature
Qt goes GPL
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/09/04/134218mode=thread http://freshmeat.net/news/2000/09/04/968126399.html http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/2269/1/ http://www.trolltech.com/company/announce/generalpl.html If that will become true, I'll stop whining about its licence. -- Juhapekka naula Tolvanen * * * U of Jyväskylä * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~juhtolv/index.html * STRAIGHT BUT NOT NARROW! - so impressed with all you do. tried so hard to be like you. flew too high and burnt the wing. lost my faith in everything nine inch nails -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X and runlevels
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 04:43:44PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: The code to do this has existed in xdm for a very long time, but XFree86 always shipped with it turned off. I turned it back on (it just involves a few resource settings for the display manager, see the xdm manpage), and sent patches to XFree86 a long time ago, but the patch was ignored, and Dirk Hohndel basically told me I was an idiot for doing so, because it might unexpectedly terminate the server in the quite common case of four X session logins in a row that averaged less than 6 seconds each... If you're saying, Huh? right about now, that's okay, because I did too. No, I can understand that. - that exact circumstance would occur in our University computer science lab. Regularly too, I might add. -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Games? Did someone say games? -- Q - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgpTYHvnXdZkM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Qt2.2 released under the GPL
Does anyone else find it ironic that licq-plugin-gtk+ was finally installed into the archive today? Guess it wouldn't be Debian if it was on time ;-) Daniel -- /- Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] -\ |f u cn rd ths, | Put no trust in cryptic comments. | |u cn gt a jb s | | | a cmptr prgrmr. | | \ Be like the kid in the movie! Play chess! -- http://www.uschess.org ---/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X and runlevels
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 09:57:56AM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 04:43:44PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Dirk Hohndel basically told me I was an idiot for doing so, because it might unexpectedly terminate the server in the quite common case of four X session logins in a row that averaged less than 6 seconds each... If you're saying, Huh? right about now, that's okay, because I did too. No, I can understand that. - that exact circumstance would occur in our University computer science lab. Regularly too, I might add. I take it this is LART-worthy incident, as I don't think I can load my .xsession in under 6 seconds. Since *dm requires you get a username and password (bwahaahaa!), use it. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http/ftp: dvdeug.dhis.org It was starting to rain on the night that they cried forever, It was blinding with snow on the night that they screamed goodbye. - Dio, Rock and Roll Children -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X and runlevels
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 05:05:09PM -0500, David Starner wrote: No, I can understand that. - that exact circumstance would occur in our University computer science lab. Regularly too, I might add. I take it this is LART-worthy incident, as I don't think I can load my .xsession in under 6 seconds. Since *dm requires you get a username and password (bwahaahaa!), use it. yeah, I'll LART you... lab == lots of people == lots of NCD xterms == lots of quick logins to the DEC Unix server at the beginning of a lab... sheesh -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Bother, said Pooh, as he heard, Will the Defendant please rise. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgpvlM500Al5O.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Qt2.2 released under the GPL
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 06:02:01PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: Does anyone else find it ironic that licq-plugin-gtk+ was finally installed into the archive today? Guess it wouldn't be Debian if it was on time ;-) IIRC, I added the override entry for that within 24 hours of it arriving :P (or was this not a dig at the ftpmasters?) -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Sometimes I think that the surest sign that intellegent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgpR9jFnIuwEc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Qt2.2 released under the GPL
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 06:02:01PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: Does anyone else find it ironic that licq-plugin-gtk+ was finally installed into the archive today? Guess it wouldn't be Debian if it was on time ;-) But licq is free, whether Qt is GPL or QPL. Personally, I switched over to the GTK plugin, not because it looked better (because it doesn't), but because QT is 5 MB in memory, more than GTK + Glib + Gnome libs. At least we can stop the idelogical arguments. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http/ftp: dvdeug.dhis.org It was starting to rain on the night that they cried forever, It was blinding with snow on the night that they screamed goodbye. - Dio, Rock and Roll Children -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt going GPL ...
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 09:21:02AM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 04:05:27PM -0500, David Starner wrote: I guess RevKrusty may want to put his packages into Debian? He already uploaded kdelibs, I didn't see if it was installed. I was wondering what happened to it? It didn't appear in the archives, it wasn't moved to REJECT or DONE, it just disappeared. I was wondering if there was some long flame war on debian-private that I was missing. Still in incoming... dont look at me :) I looked again, and http://incoming.debian.org still doesn't show it. The only things I can think of is that RevKrusty removed the packages himself (to upload versions that don't worry about the QPL-GPL problems), or some terribly freaky bug in the software that writes the webpage. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http/ftp: dvdeug.dhis.org It was starting to rain on the night that they cried forever, It was blinding with snow on the night that they screamed goodbye. - Dio, Rock and Roll Children -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt2.2 released under the GPL
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:26:30AM +1200, Michael Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 06:02:01PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: Does anyone else find it ironic that licq-plugin-gtk+ was finally installed into the archive today? Guess it wouldn't be Debian if it was on time ;-) IIRC, I added the override entry for that within 24 hours of it arriving :P (or was this not a dig at the ftpmasters?) No, it was just an observation of a coincidence that my twisted mind found amusing. :) Away put your flamethrowers! I mean you no harm! Daniel -- /- Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] -\ |The sigfile hits! |After the game, the king and| | You feel confused. |the pawn go in the same box.| || -- Italian proverb| \--- (if (not (understand-this)) (go-to http://www.schemers.org)) / -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X and runlevels
On Mon, 04 Sep 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 10:32:07AM +0200, Per Lundberg wrote: How come Debian don't have a non-X runlevel, like some other distributions, in the default configuration? I think this would be pretty convenient. Because no one has ever bothered to write a runlevel policy. Well, we might end up inheriting the one from LSB if Debian decides to try to follow as much as possible of it, but it's not like we need to get concerned with implementing it yet. What we must ensure is that Debian will work right with whatever runlevel scheme the local administrator comes up with and sets the system up with. After this is done, implementing whatever runlevel policy we want is a simple matter of a mass change of the update-rc.d invocations in a great deal of packages ;-) -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh pgpL68Tmp4HFg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Qt2.2 released under the GPL
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 06:32:10PM -0400, Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Away put your flamethrowers! I mean you no harm! Not that there were any flamethrowers coming out, but this line was too good to pass up. (I think my brain has been addled from too much Nethack, please bear with me.. :\ ) Daniel -- /- Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] -\ | CCs of list | We are Debian of Borg. | | replies are | You will be packaged.| |welcome.| Resistance is futile.| \- Debian GNU/Linux http://www.debian.org -- Because. / -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato
Previously Paul Slootman wrote: It would be useful if dpkg-buildpackage checked it then. It will check them in the future, maybe not by default though. Wichert. -- _ / Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D | pgpiXuUXZT1PV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fwd: Re: Help on Debian Project - Need Me?
Previously Kyle Lynch wrote: Actually, all im trying to say is, how can I help make icons for projects or at least help maintain the website? Well, I wouldn't mind if you could help me improve the webpages that doc-central generates.. Wichert. -- _ / Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D | pgphU35XjXVkG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X and runlevels
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 09:57:56AM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 04:43:44PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: The code to do this has existed in xdm for a very long time, but XFree86 always shipped with it turned off. I turned it back on (it just involves a few resource settings for the display manager, see the xdm manpage), and sent patches to XFree86 a long time ago, but the patch was ignored, and Dirk Hohndel basically told me I was an idiot for doing so, because it might unexpectedly terminate the server in the quite common case of four X session logins in a row that averaged less than 6 seconds each... If you're saying, Huh? right about now, that's okay, because I did too. No, I can understand that. - that exact circumstance would occur in our University computer science lab. Regularly too, I might add. Eh? With no gaps between? Remember, the X server is running even if it's idling at the X server login widget. That factors into the 6 second average. -- G. Branden Robinson| I came, I saw, she conquered. The Debian GNU/Linux | original Latin seems to have been [EMAIL PROTECTED] | garbled. http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- Robert Heinlein pgpI2By1OT41a.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: build question
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 07:19:11PM +, michael d. ivey wrote: i'm a new maintainer, and maybe this is better directed at -mentors, or maybe it's in the docs somewhere...if so, just point me that way, please. my main server is potato. is it bad for me to be building packages there if they are destined for woody? should i start building on a woody box? If possible, your package should depend on packages in potato only. Then users won't be forced to install other unstable packages, just to try out your package. Tom Cato -- michael d. ivey[McQ] : *Style*. Beauty. Grace. That's what [EMAIL PROTECTED] : matters. If cats looked like frogs http://gweezlebur.com/~ivey/ : we'd realize what nasty, cruel little encrypted email preferred : bastards they are. -- Terry Pratchett -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Tom Cato Amundsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] GNU Solfege - free eartraining, http://www.gnu.org/software/solfege/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP lame
On Sep 04 2000, John O Sullivan wrote: I'm surprised that lame hasn't been packaged already. Was it discussed and rejected previously? Well, there aren't official packages AFAIK, but, for instance, I have a reasonably well-made package of lame 3.86beta and I intend to send upstream some of the modifications I've made... But I'd really love to see an MP3 encoder in Debian. On the other hand, we now have Vorbis (players, plugins for XMMS and encoders) on woody, so the situation is alleviated. But still, MP3s are the de facto standard and I'd love to contribute back to the community as a Debian Developer (I'm not one). []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/nectar/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP lame
On Sep 04 2000, Peter Allen wrote: All vorbis tools are very young, and as most work goes into libvorbis the encoder is missing some features and has a few unwanted features Lame is mature, and although I haven't checked out the ogg encoding bit of lame I guess it has more supported stuff (and fewer bugs) I've been reading the MP3 Encoders mailing list (which focuses on lame) and it seems that the Vorbis bits of lame are quite broken right now depending on the features you use. Anyway, its MP3 section is definitely superior to the alternatives. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/nectar/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP lame
On Sep 04 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lame/vorbis works alright. The problem I'm facing is lack of a good CLI ogg player. See the ogg123 package in woody. It works perfectly well with my potato. Of course the other problem is the code not yet being optimised (and I'm not complaining but..) and bogging down my poor P133. Unfortunately, I have no experience here with older processors as my computer is a Pentium MMX 200 (overclocked to 250), so it is quite fast and I wouldn't see the perfomance problems (that's a downside of having a reasonably fast computer). []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/nectar/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: build question
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:29:02AM +0200, Tom Cato Amundsen wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 07:19:11PM +, michael d. ivey wrote: i'm a new maintainer, and maybe this is better directed at -mentors, or maybe it's in the docs somewhere...if so, just point me that way, please. my main server is potato. is it bad for me to be building packages there if they are destined for woody? should i start building on a woody box? If possible, your package should depend on packages in potato only. Then users won't be forced to install other unstable packages, just to try out your package. If you only have a potato box, then it's usually acceptable if your packages are built on it, so long as they are acceptable for woody (built on libraries that are in woody, for example). Contrary to Tom, though, if packages are destined for woody, packages should be built on woody, because that's how the build demons will build them, that's how people will run them, and that's how they will eventually be released. It will also help shake out bugs in unstable libraries. If you want to build them so that potato users can use them, do so and store them in a directory on master or a private machine and tell people how to get them. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http/ftp: dvdeug.dhis.org It was starting to rain on the night that they cried forever, It was blinding with snow on the night that they screamed goodbye. - Dio, Rock and Roll Children -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt going GPL ...
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 04:05:27PM -0500, David Starner wrote: He already uploaded kdelibs, I didn't see if it was installed. I was wondering what happened to it? It didn't appear in the archives, it wasn't moved to REJECT or DONE, it just disappeared. I was wondering if there was some long flame war on debian-private that I was missing. No flamewar on -private (at the moment), and the archive people wouldn't just delete it. Most likely you're seeing mirroring delays. -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key 1024D/DCF9DAB3 Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC The QuakeForge Project (http://quakeforge.net/) 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 * Simunye is on a oc3-oc12 daem0n simmy: bite me. :) Simunye daemon: okay :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X and runlevels
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:25:23AM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 05:05:09PM -0500, David Starner wrote: No, I can understand that. - that exact circumstance would occur in our University computer science lab. Regularly too, I might add. I take it this is LART-worthy incident, as I don't think I can load my .xsession in under 6 seconds. Since *dm requires you get a username and password (bwahaahaa!), use it. yeah, I'll LART you... lab == lots of people == lots of NCD xterms == lots of quick logins to the DEC Unix server at the beginning of a lab... sheesh Quick logins don't trigger the termination of the server. It's a login, followed by an immediate logout, followed by an immedate login, repeat 4 times, that causes it. -- G. Branden Robinson | You don't just decide to break Kubrick's Debian GNU/Linux| code of silence and then get drawn away [EMAIL PROTECTED] | from it to a discussion about cough http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | medicine. pgp0wR1ibnwC6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ITP lame
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 05:53:32PM -0300, Rogerio Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Of course the other problem is the code not yet being optimised (and I'm not complaining but..) and bogging down my poor P133. Unfortunately, I have no experience here with older processors as my computer is a Pentium MMX 200 (overclocked to 250), so it is quite fast and I wouldn't see the perfomance problems (that's a downside of having a reasonably fast computer). Interesting. On my P166 (no MMX), it ran but consumed essentially 100% of my CPU time to decode a file, so doing anything else with the computer caused breakups. I'm surprised, actually, that you don't see problems; by that standard, shouldn't it be eating at least 50% of your CPU time? Daniel -- /- Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] -\ | If you're reading | Human beings were created by water to transport it | | this, you have too | uphill. | |much free time. | | \ Be like the kid in the movie! Play chess! -- http://www.uschess.org ---/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP lame
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 05:48:36PM -0300, Rogerio Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: But I'd really love to see an MP3 encoder in Debian. On the other hand, we now have Vorbis (players, plugins for XMMS and encoders) on woody, so the situation is alleviated. I think the problem is that free MP3 encoders are illegal in large areas of the world :-( Daniel -- /- Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] -\ |f u cn rd ths,|I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not sure.| |u cn gt a jb s| | | a cmptr prgrmr.| | \ News without the $$ -- National Public Radio -- http://www.npr.org / -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X and runlevels
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
a) You just made some changes in X that caused it to lock up the display.
Magic sysreq got you out alive, but now you would like to boot to a
console to fix it.
b) Your monitor blew up. You've got a replacement on hand, but it won't
work (and may even be damaged) with the current X settings.
Single user mode.
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Re: Qt2.2 released under the GPL
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 06:32:10PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: No, it was just an observation of a coincidence that my twisted mind found amusing. :) Yes, I suppose it was amusing :) Away put your flamethrowers! I mean you no harm! I didnt have it out :) -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Games? Did someone say games? -- Q - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgp6uYg0uV2dP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ITP lame
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 05:48:36PM -0300, Rogerio Brito wrote: But I'd really love to see an MP3 encoder in Debian. On the other hand, we now have Vorbis (players, plugins for XMMS and encoders) on woody, so the situation is alleviated. If it was legal for lame to be distributed with debian, I can tell you now, it would be in the archive overnight. - But it isnt, so it wont. *please* go and read up on the whole issue before complaining.. this topic almost arises more often than the When will kde be in Debian? thread. -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - If at first you don't succeed, you must be using Windows. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgpojyJk8Ikfq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X and runlevels
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 07:36:00PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: lab == lots of people == lots of NCD xterms == lots of quick logins to the DEC Unix server at the beginning of a lab... sheesh Quick logins don't trigger the termination of the server. It's a login, followed by an immediate logout, followed by an immedate login, repeat 4 times, that causes it. Okay, my error, I was under the impression that it was fast spawning of whatever it is that supplies the display to a client. -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - From a 1996 MicroSloth ad campaign: The less you know about computers the more you want MicroSoft! -- See! They do get some things right! (I gotta stop stealing Sigs) - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgp8r84lmI67r.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Qt going GPL ...
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 05:29:44PM -0500, David Starner wrote: I looked again, and http://incoming.debian.org still doesn't show it. The only things I can think of is that RevKrusty removed the packages himself (to upload versions that don't worry about the QPL-GPL problems), or some terribly freaky bug in the software that writes the webpage. kdesupport is on auric, kdelibs is on pandora (non-us) (dont ask me why, I dont know) -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Trees moving back and forth make the wind blow. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgpnD01wXiky9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X and runlevels
[you don't have to CC me on messages to debian-devel] On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:49:26PM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 07:36:00PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: lab == lots of people == lots of NCD xterms == lots of quick logins to the DEC Unix server at the beginning of a lab... sheesh Quick logins don't trigger the termination of the server. It's a login, followed by an immediate logout, followed by an immedate login, repeat 4 times, that causes it. Okay, my error, I was under the impression that it was fast spawning of whatever it is that supplies the display to a client. No, xdm only pays attention to having to invoke the server binary: spawn X server toss up login widget user logs in login widget is killed user session starts user session dies, cores, whatever server exits Rinse. Repeat. -- G. Branden Robinson| Communism is just one step on the long Debian GNU/Linux | road from capitalism to capitalism. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Russian saying http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | pgp4OGUHf1OWa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Qt2.2 released under the GPL
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 08:08:33PM +0200, happ wrote: enough said http://www.trolltech.com now we can move the ftp://kde.tdyc.com/pub/kde potato kde2 contrib back home WE WON ! No, we didn't win. Neither did KDE. Troll Tech won this license war. It looks like the rest of us will benefit in the long run, but we didn't win. The majority of people involved with KDE still are convinced that they did nothing wrong in terms of law or ethics, people will still accuse them of a whole bunch of things they did and a bit they didn't, and everybody involved seems to hold negative opinions of someone because of how long this has gone on. There's nothing to celebrate here. Just a company making a move that is, they hope, in their best interests having the side effect of fixing a handful of license quibbles which have caused flamewars the likes of which I couldn't even place on a CDR in compressed format. All of that isn't going away overnight. So what we really have is a single step. A big and important one - but still a step. So do we prance around gloating over our victory or do we take the next step? -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key 1024D/DCF9DAB3 Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC The QuakeForge Project (http://quakeforge.net/) 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 10) there is no 10, but it sounded like a nice number :) -- Wichert Akkerman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Abuse is still being worked on
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you a new debian developer, looking for some packages to maintain? If so, this list is for you. I need to drop some of my simpler packages to make way for other work. All of the below are up for adoption -- just mail me. Otherwise, I will continue to maintain them. abuse and abuse-lib The side scrolling action game from crack dot com. It has one bug, which a competant X programmer could probably fix easily. If you take these you should at least consider taking abuse-sfx, which currently has no maintainer and is non-free. Note that abuse is orphaned upstream, and I can't find anyone working on it. Just FYI Abuse is being worked on. http://sourceforge.net/projects/v3abuse/ -- Don't worry -- shop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why apt/dpkg not using bzip2
Arthur == Arthur Korn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arthur apt-move uses rsync to update it's Packages, and it's a Arthur real improvement over the sledgehammer method. Correction: apt-move [potato version] uses rsync to update it's Packages [...]. As of woody, this is no longer true. [556] [snoopy:bam] ~ cat /usr/doc/apt-move/README [...] Another major change is the removal of all references to rsync. The reason for this is that all retrievals should be done through apt in order to minimise the duplication of code. As a consequence this, you can now mirror all (or a subset) of your ``sources.list'' sites. The result will be merged under a single dist tree as if they originated from one site. [...] Seems like, to me at least, apt should really support rsync... For me, it seems like the best choice of protocol depends on the file: Packages - rsync. *.deb- http, as a http caching server can be used. which is oversimplified to some degree because it doesn't allow caching the Packages file (eg if updating many computers on the one network). At least you only need to download the modified parts. Comments? -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent bug's and continuing effort to debconf-ize Debian
Jürgen == Jürgen A Erhard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jürgen *If* there's some *valid* reason not to store something Jürgen in a *root-readable* DB, make it put it somewhere else. Jürgen In the end, it *gets stored anyway. Not always the case. eg consider a package for a certification authority (not that one is needed, but assume thats not the case here). You might need a question in the postinst script: Password to encrypt private key with? In which case the password is never stored (not even encrypted) anywhere on the hard disk, just used for the initial encryption. Sure, ideally nobody should have access to the private key in the first place. However, if they do manage to steel the key, there is no good reason why the password should be stored with it. Also consider the loss of the private key will typically affect the security of more then just the local computer, too. -- Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt going GPL ...
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:53:30PM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 05:29:44PM -0500, David Starner wrote: I looked again, and http://incoming.debian.org still doesn't show it. The only things I can think of is that RevKrusty removed the packages himself (to upload versions that don't worry about the QPL-GPL problems), or some terribly freaky bug in the software that writes the webpage. kdesupport is on auric, kdelibs is on pandora (non-us) (dont ask me why, I dont know) KDE2 is doing alot with ssl stuff...konqueror, kmail, etc...kdelibs builds against libssl so it's in non-US. Ivan -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD pgp5aOG76u74O.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Qt going GPL ...
Still in incoming... dont look at me :) I looked again, and http://incoming.debian.org still doesn't show it. The only things I can think of is that RevKrusty removed the packages himself (to upload versions that don't worry about the QPL-GPL problems), or some terribly freaky bug in the software that writes the webpage. I had removed both to clean up licensing items at one point..then I removed kdelibs to drop it on non-US. Ivan -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt going GPL ...
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 09:20:05PM +0200, Andreas Rottmann wrote: Hugues Marilleau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who is going to ITP kde ? I'm dreaming about an apt-get install kde ... Rather task-kde ;-) (SCNR) already have one. :) -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X and runlevels
On 04 Sep 2000, Brian Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not quite. The FHS briefly mentions *System V's* runlevel 2 and 3 (along with Berkley's multiuser state). It does not specify anything about runlevels for Linux or any other OS. O.k., you're right - it was on linuxbase.org. Which we support, according to their main-page. And there is this linked from there: http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/lsb-spec-9904/msg5.html .- quote - | --- start of cut text -- | 0 halt | 1 single user mode | 2 multiuser with no remote networking | 3 normal/full multiuser | 4 reserved for local use, default is normal/full multiuser | 5 xdm or equivalent | 6 reboot | --- end `- quote - So, I'm asking, why we don't follow this guidelines? I don't see any contradiction with our current approach to leave it up to the user. That won't interfer IMHO, for the update-rc script (or what ever it's called) doesn't touch the links if any of them exists, right? So the user can still change 'em to her/his likes. Now, are we part of the linuxbase-project or aren't we? I know that it's not good to take everything without asking it - but the current setup is somewhat nonsense to me - 4 runlevels with the same setup Just a thought. Alfie -- Die meisten Menschen pflegen im Kindesalter vom Zeigen auf Gegenstände (Mausbewegung) und ga sagen (Mausklick) abzukommen, zugunsten eines mächtigeren und langwierig zu erlernenden Tools (Sprache). -- Achim Linder in de.comp.os.linux.misc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 04:06:49PM -0500, David Starner wrote: packages into unstable. Helix is too stable for unstable, and too unstable for stable. Not exactly true, as Helix Gnome is usually more cutting-edge than unstable Gnome. In my experience, it's had a bug report to fix turnaround time of a under a day if you can give a complete and reproducable problem. That's pretty good for any problem, even trivial ones can't be expected to get fixed in a matter of a few hours like I've seen with Helix Gnome. Software has bugs, it's a fact of life. New software is more likely to have unknown bugs that affect more people. What makes the Helix packages so nice is the turnaround time for fixes. I don't know how they do it, but they do. -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key 1024D/DCF9DAB3 Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC The QuakeForge Project (http://quakeforge.net/) 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 kceee^ I hate users knghtbrd you sound like a sysadmin already! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt going GPL ...
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: KDE2 is doing alot with ssl stuff...konqueror, kmail, etc...kdelibs builds against libssl so it's in non-US. Can you do a non-ssl version too for main? Otherwise American CD manufacturers aren't going to be able to include it and therefore the rest of KDE. (or will they? This whole topic is so confusing.) I'm going to have to do a similiar split for imap as the next version will have SSL support. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt going GPL ...
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:44:06AM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: KDE2 is doing alot with ssl stuff...konqueror, kmail, etc...kdelibs builds against libssl so it's in non-US. Can you do a non-ssl version too for main? Otherwise American CD manufacturers aren't going to be able to include it and therefore the rest of KDE. (or will they? This whole topic is so confusing.) I'm going to have to do a similiar split for imap as the next version will have SSL support. I guess I could..the question comes down to how many different versions of a package (or library) do we want? And what are the legal issues nowadays??? in the meantime I'll work on splitting off 2 seperate packages..1 with ssl and 1 without. Ivan -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs
Joseph Carter wrote: Software has bugs, it's a fact of life. New software is more likely to have unknown bugs that affect more people. What makes the Helix packages so nice is the turnaround time for fixes. I don't know how they do it, but they do. Maybe they have a dinstall delay of less than 24 hours :-P -- see shy jo, who thinks debian would be much different if dinstall ran hourly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt going GPL ...
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: in the meantime I'll work on splitting off 2 seperate packages..1 with ssl and 1 without. It may be easier just to build it twice, once with SSL and once without. That's what I'm going to do. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 11:54:05PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Software has bugs, it's a fact of life. New software is more likely to have unknown bugs that affect more people. What makes the Helix packages so nice is the turnaround time for fixes. I don't know how they do it, but they do. Maybe they have a dinstall delay of less than 24 hours :-P Maybe so. I'd still like to see someone take up maintenance of jinstall and package it personally. I'd do it myself if I could grok the perl. Perl so far is a language that I just don't understand. It defies the conventional structured thinking I apply to the way I write my code. -- Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key 1024D/DCF9DAB3 Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.debian.org/) 20F6 2261 F185 7A3E 79FC The QuakeForge Project (http://quakeforge.net/) 44F9 8FF7 D7A3 DCF9 DAB3 Oh no, not again. -- Manoj Srivastava -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt going GPL ...
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:53:12AM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: in the meantime I'll work on splitting off 2 seperate packages..1 with ssl and 1 without. It may be easier just to build it twice, once with SSL and once without. That's what I'm going to do. I just want to make sure that binaries built against the non-ssl kdelibs package's will allow for the ssl functionality if used with the ssl kdelibs packages... for example...I build 2 different kdelibs..one with ssl one with out... kdebase comes along which has functionality that is only activitated when kdelibs is built with ssl...(ie..konqueror will have https support)...now, konqueror isn't built against libssl...so there is no requirement for it... I just need to find out whether kdelibs reports to kdebase during compile time whether it was built against ssl or not... Ivan -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free Pine?
I don't either--but that is not the point. The point is that the U of W has actually threatened to sue the FSF for distributing a modified version of a program that was released under the same words. Personally, I'm still in the process of confirming this. I hope that the U of W gives you a clear answer about what they have done. But they may decide that it is not in their interest to clarify their conduct. If so, I hope Debian will still drop IMAPD. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: build question
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:29:02AM +0200, Tom Cato Amundsen wrote: If possible, your package should depend on packages in potato only. Then users won't be forced to install other unstable packages, just to try out your package. What if your package won't compile against the libraries in woody? We don't really support users running potato taking individual packages from woody. It's reasonable to expect the libraries be upgraded too. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Michael Beattie wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 01:19:08AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 08:54:25AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: Um, why send such a message to a widely-read mailing-list? As a joke... Im damned curious.. what did it say? Saved to branden.asc and 'gpg -d branden.asc' results in gpg: CRC error; 72a653 - dc372a gpg: quoted printable character in armor - probably a buggy MTA has been used Well, I was able to repair and read it. Even if I wanted to tell you, I'm afraid I can't. Or is there a difference between private-mail and privately-encrypted-mail-on-a-public-forum in this regard? Besides, you don't really want to know - it's a somehow, hmmm, strange (to say the least) choice of language ;-) Ulf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
db.debian.org (was: libgd1 vs. libgd1g)
On Mon 04 Sep 2000, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: Nondevelopers do not have access to the away information in db.d.o. Ugh. They _are_ presented with a form where the on vacation box can be checked, and the subsequent search simply returns 0, no errors explaining that this info can't be retrieved without logging in. Misleading. Paul Slootman -- home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wurtel.demon.nl/ work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.murphy.nl/ debian: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ isdn4linux: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.isdn4linux.de/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ITP kdoc - C++ and IDL Source Documentation System
Description: C++ and IDL Source Documentation System KDOC creates cross-referenced documentation for C++ and CORBA IDL libraries directly from the source. Documentation can be embedded in special doccomments in the source. -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD pgpWQgoZXKVgI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X and runlevels
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and sent patches to XFree86 a long time ago, but the patch was ignored, and Dirk Hohndel basically told me I was an idiot for doing so, because it might unexpectedly terminate the server in the quite common case of four X session logins in a row that averaged less than 6 seconds each... Huh all right. I don't understand what you/he meant by that, but the code that was patched (the xdm shipped with 3.3.2) was broken. In fact, the current code in 4.0.1 has been heavily patched to *enable* this functionality. No idea when that happend, sometime between 6.3 and 6.4 it would seem, and AFAICS, it was patched up-upstream, not by xfree86. The patch worked based on the *number* of consecutive failures. The current code works based on the *time* between failures, and it's rather agressive at that IMO. Amazed, Marcelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ITP or rather upload... KDE
Ok...I leave for an extended weekend and Troll get's freaky on me! :) Since I've been basically doing this unofficially for almost 2 years now working with Stephan Kulow who was the maintainer/developer and who has since passed it on to me due to time and the fact he's not running woody and all...and since QT (which I also maintain currently) 2.2 will be GPL'd solving all those lovely issues of the past, I'm announcing my intent to do away with kde.tdyc.com and merge in all the KDE 2.x packages into main. These include the following: kdesupport (provides libuulib5, libmim1) - sup libraries needed for some KDE apps kdelibs - the core pieces (ssl and nonssl vers) kdebase (kdebase, -doc, -dev, kdewallpapers, and kdm) kdeadmin kdeutils kdegames kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork - kdetoys kdepim koffice kde-i18n (this is huge...all the locales broken down by language) .deb for each This will all happen after qt2.2 is released with the GPL lic and packaged/uploaded... (except for kdelibs and support which do not have the licensing issues) Ivan p.s. I think that's all the pieces. -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD pgp4WlkCwBR7X.pgp Description: PGP signature
ITP: unixodbc
Description: ODBC tools libraries Binaries and libraries from the unixODBC package. COMPONENTS: . 1. libodbc.so (ODBC Driver Manager) 2. ODBCConfig (GUI Setup using libodbcinst.so) 3. libodbcinst.so (ODBC Installer/Setup) 4. odbcinst(cmd line UI for libodbcinst.so) 5. libini.a(ini file handler) 6. liblog.a(log handler) 7. libodbcdrvcfg1S.so (GUI config for server based sources... basic) 8. libodbcdrvcfg2S.so (GUI config for file based sources... basic) 9. liboplodbcS.so (GUI config for OpenLink's opl driver) 10. libodbcminiS.so (GUI config for MiniSQL driver) 11. libodbcmyS.so (GUI config for MySQL driver) 12. libodbcpgsqlS.so(GUI config for PostgreSQL driver) 13. libodbcmini.so (driver for MiniSQL) 14. libodbcmy.so(driver for MySQL) 15. libodbcpgsql.so (driver for PostgreSQL) 16. libodbctxt.so (driver for Text files) 17. dltest (simple cmd line tool) 18. isql(cmd line tool... batch interactive SQL) 19. Driver Template (a template for Driver programmers) 20. DataManager (GUI to explore ODBC Data Sources) -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD pgpRNo02iewiG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ITP: unixodbc
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: Description: ODBC tools libraries Binaries and libraries from the unixODBC package. COMPONENTS: . 15. libodbcpgsql.so (driver for PostgreSQL) How does it correspond to the current ODBC driver of PostgreSQL? 18. isql(cmd line tool... batch interactive SQL) There will be a name space pollution with Interbases isql (which is comparable to psql of PostgreSQL). Please contact Ed Booras which will package Interbase. 19. Driver Template (a template for Driver programmers) 20. DataManager (GUI to explore ODBC Data Sources) What about inclusion of FreeTDS. Unfortunately the development of version 0.51, which I wanted to package, need much more time than I expected. Looks reasonable to me, if the ODBC driver of this project would be included, too. This would eneable access to MS SQL and Sybase servers. Kind regards Andreas. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
galeon CVS debian packages ; building debs for M18?
I've started making debian packages of the latest galeon CVS trees available over at: http://silverchair.futureks.net/~solomon/galeon/ The 0.7.3 deb available there has been slightly enhanced as well, see the changelog.Debian. Potato users will probably want to read http://silverchair.futureks.net/~solomon/galeon/potato.html for isntallation instructions. If you don't know whether you're running potato, then you probably are :D In my opinion, the builds in both of these debs are quite useable and the packages no longer have very big problems. Perhaps someone should take them up and stick them into the unstable debian distribution? In other news, i'm looking into attempting to apply the patches given here and build these packages for Mozilla M18 nightlies. There are M18 debian packages available from XK at: http://center.oftheinter.net/~debian/hybrid/ The problem is that there are no mozilla-dev M18 packages available with which I can compile galeon. This especially sucks because, if the recent comments about building with GCC 2.95.2 are true, the only reason i've been able to do so is because the M17 mozilla and mozilla-dev packages were compiled by the debian maintainer using GCC 2.95.2. This means that, unless the debian maintainer feels like going to the trouble of compiling M18 mozilla and mozilla-dev packages, it will be extremely difficult for me to get galeon to compile for M18. Hrm, I think i'll send this to the debian mozilla maintainer and the debian devel list as well as this list :) Anyway, I'm just mentioning this in case anyone has some ideas/information that I don't. Any information would be appreciated. From what I hear, some of the recent nightlies (ones without bugs 50994 and 51164) have been extremely nice, and i know that galeon's CVS tree is looking quite good (and will only get better), so it would be awesome for people to get to play with both of these things :) -- Jared Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are relatively good but absolutely terrible. -- Alan Kay, commenting on Apollos -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/C d+(-)-- s:+ a19 C$ UL$ P+ L+++ E--- W+ N+ o? K w--- !O M-- V-- !PS !PE Y PGP- t+ 5-- X R-- tv- b+ DI+ !D G e++(+++) h-- r* y-(+++) --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
alternatives for MUA and NUA?
Hi! Today I stumbled across my .muttrc and found that I've hardcoded the pager (w3m ;) and the editor (vim :) into it. On the other hand I find the alternatives-mechanismus really useful so I changed it to pager and editor which works really fine. Now there doesn't seem to be an alternative for the MUAs or the NUAs. I'd really like to have that in there so that packages like pinfo or muttzilla (just for an example) could work out of the box without needing to twitch with the configuration files. I think that would be a good thing, don't you think so? And, on the other hand, if you have any packages that are using hard coded pagers, editors or so into it's rc files waste a thought about changing it to the alternatives name ``pager'' and ``editor''. I really think that this should be a little more used so the people know about it and also use it... Just a thought. Alfie -- If A equals success, then the formula is A = X + Y + Z. X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut. -- Albert Einstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt going GPL ...
Previously Ivan E. Moore II wrote: I just need to find out whether kdelibs reports to kdebase during compile time whether it was built against ssl or not... With the current dpkg-shlibdeps it will since kdelibs will pull in the ssl libraries and ldd will report that. Provided that you link konqueror correctly (ie only to kdelibs and not to the ssl libs) that will be fixed once I upload dpkg 1.7.0 which has a dpkg-shlibdeps that uses objdump instead of ldd. Wichert. -- _ / Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D | pgpYjqJOb0YbW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Going to vacation, make NMUs if needed
Hi all I am going to vacation for the next 3 weeks, so if there is anything wrong with one of my packages (pptpd, logcheck, mkinitrd-cd) then please feel free to do NMUs. best greets, Rene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:03:56AM +0200, Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler wrote: Saved to branden.asc and 'gpg -d branden.asc' results in gpg: CRC error; 72a653 - dc372a gpg: quoted printable character in armor - probably a buggy MTA has been used Well, I was able to repair and read it. Even if I wanted to tell you, I'm afraid I can't. Or is there a difference between private-mail and privately-encrypted-mail-on-a-public-forum in this regard? Besides, you don't really want to know - it's a somehow, hmmm, strange (to say the least) choice of language ;-) It was meant as a joke... so go ahead :) Im not sure why he encrypted to you though. -- Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Don't force it, use a bigger hammer. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! pgpGQlAwiAtFC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Michael Beattie wrote: It was meant as a joke... so go ahead :) That's why I did not really complain about it ;-) Im not sure why he encrypted to you though. Yeah, I also thought that you should have received this ;-)) (because you asked for it, that is) Ulf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:52:51PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Now there doesn't seem to be an alternative for the MUAs or the NUAs. I'd really like to have that in there so that packages like pinfo or muttzilla (just for an example) could work out of the box without needing to twitch with the configuration files. I think that would be a good thing, don't you think so? I don't think that works; /etc/alternatives only works for commands with compatible interfaces. Do most mail readers have the same command line interface? Perhaps, but I really doubt that news readers do. Cheers Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP lame
On Sep 05, Michael Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it was legal for lame to be distributed with debian, I can tell you now, it would be in the archive overnight. - But it isnt, so it wont. We have pandora for that, and I remember Wichert agreed to this use. What still needs to be done to have a debian section for software covered by software patents? -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
QT-GPL
Just read on Linuxtoday.com that trolltech will license QT under the GPL. Guess the 'river was lowered' instead of 'raising the bridge' (old Jerry Lewis movie title) so KDE can now go in main for Woody, right? = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:29:32AM +1100, Donovan Baarda wrote: I believe the infamous aalib affair actualy came out of a wishlist bugreport submitted to them by a user; the then frozen potato aalib was too low a version to meet all the helix dependencies. This meant people like me had to pull aalib from unstable before I could install helix. By putting an updated aalib into helix, debian potato users could apt-get helix without that small hickup. It sounds like Helix made their own package rather than grab the one from unstable... probably an un-necisary mistake. Dunno why they did that, maybe so all the helix packages had a helix version number for consistancy? Yes, this is what happened. It was a mistake on my part, and I rebuilt our Gimp packages and removed aalib as soon as the issue came up on debian-devel. The problem was introduced when I didn't know the Debian shlibs setup well enough to override a false version dependency I picked up from the Woody aalib. It was fixed in our archive at the beginning of this discussion, and Joey has now uploaded a version to Woody that overrides the Helix one. I am sorry that Woody had to be affected (the revision of aalib is now -w30) as a result of the Helix GNOME packages. Based on my current plans and the discussion on this list, I think that this sort of thing will not happen again. Again, I apologize. Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ITP: gpppkill -- GTK ppp throughput graph and ppp kill utility
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2000-09-06 Severity: wishlist gpppkill is a small GTK+ program which displays a graph of ppp link usage and also has options to kill pppd after a specified time of low link usage, or after a given amount of time. License is GPL. -- System Information Debian Release: woody Architecture: i386 Kernel: Linux pippin 2.2.16 #1 Sun Aug 27 18:05:30 EST 2000 i586 -- Timshel Knoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Debian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Second year Computer Science, RMIT | CS108 Tutor (Semester 2, 2000) Debian GNU/Linux developer, see http://www.debian.org/~timshel/ For GnuPG public key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpKg6ibRzKc1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
Today, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do most mail readers have the same command line interface? Perhaps, but I really doubt that news readers do. Not even mail readers do, AFAIK. Console readers have the mail(1) interface to stick to, but if it comes to an x MUA... It would really be helpful if all NUAs and MUAs would understand mailto: and nntp:// URLs. And then, there is gnus. regards, -- Andreas Stefan Fuchs in Real Life aka [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NNTP and SMTP, antifuchsin IRCNet and Relf Herbstfresser, Male 1/2 Elf Priest in ADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP or rather upload... KDE
Hi Will it be a kde2 for potato or only for woody? Ofcourse assuming that KDE2 will be out before woody.:-) -- The best way to escape from a problem is to solve it. Alan Saporta My waste of cyberspace= http://deepblue.dyndns.org :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No german umlauts in console and xterm
Hi! I tried to fix an old problem with my Debian system (woody) today, but failed. When typing german umlauts my system behaves inconsistent: In most X programs they appear fine (i.e. Netscape, several mail clients, XEmacs, ..) When typing in xterm|gnome-terminal windows they don't appear. Some chars do beep, but none of the umlauts appear. When typing in joe (a text based full screen editor) I get: vd|VD\_ for öäüÖÄÜß. Now for something (not so) completely different: I call kbdconfig as root out of the console (it doesn't matter if X is running). Then I chose i386/qwertz/de-latin1-nodeadkeys. kbdconfig asks me if I want to test and I type yes. While doing these test typing, alle umlauts appear correctly, saying: ö (0xf6) ä (0xe4) ü (0xfc) Ö (0xd6) Ä (0xc4) Ü (0xdc) ß (0xdf) When I end testing and install this keymap as my default keymap and activate it, umlauts won't work again, same behavior as before. Does anyone have an idea what happens here? What parts of my system are involved in getting chars from the keyboard to the screen with/without X? Some Docs to read? Right now I don't understand the underlying issues and have no idea where to start. What is the difference between de-latin1 and de-latin1-nodeadkeys BTW? TIA for any help Florian -- Florian Hinzmann private: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-Key fingerprint: DD 61 74 34 04 FB 8A BD 43 54 83 38 0C 82 EF B1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
On 05 Sep 2000, Andreas Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do most mail readers have the same command line interface? Perhaps, but I really doubt that news readers do. *scratches* Uhm, right, I haven't thought about that *damnit* It sounded so good when it came to my mind, though... On the other hand - I haven't received either mine or Hamish's Mail on that topic yet, just Andreas' response? Uhm, I wonder what else I might have missed? So long! Alfie -- Die meisten Menschen pflegen im Kindesalter vom Zeigen auf Gegenstände (Mausbewegung) und ga sagen (Mausklick) abzukommen, zugunsten eines mächtigeren und langwierig zu erlernenden Tools (Sprache). -- Achim Linder in de.comp.os.linux.misc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free Pine?
Raul Miller wrote: On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 01:26:53PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: That to me says Debian has permission to re-distribute our modified version, but that people who recieve it from us do not, unless they too ask permission (We do expect and appreciate...). Non-free. If she had written just We appreciate... I'd be comfortable putting it in free. There's no legal difference between Debian and people who recieve it from us. [Legally, there's no such entity as Debian.] Nor is there a difference from the viewpoint of our social contract. Then why do we have DSFG #8 `License Must Not Be Specific to Debian' if there is no Debian? Trying to divide us up, by drawing a line where there isn't one, is very much against what we're about. Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Florian Hinzmann wrote: When typing german umlauts my system behaves inconsistent: In most X programs they appear fine (i.e. Netscape, several mail clients, XEmacs, ..) When typing in xterm|gnome-terminal windows they don't appear. Some chars do beep, but none of the umlauts appear. AFAIK this is due to the application that receives the characters. Xterms pass all characters unmodified; some programs (ae, ee, pico, lynx) basically don't check for valid characters, but other programs (bash) do check and reject weird things that you're not supposed to enter. Other full-screen programs may use these chars for other purposes, mostly keyboard shortcuts. But they do this by looking directly at the keyboard; cut'n'paste from a non- checking editor usually works fine. So the real problem seems to be in the individual applications that were written by people with little knowledge of foreign languages ;-) (BTW, it seems an underdocumented X feature that you can use things like Win-K on Any Keyboard[tm] to get an euml; (eh, pine beeps while pico doesn't...)) Regards, Anne Bezemer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
postgresql+apache+php4+pgsql.so+pg_exec()=apache segfaults
what to say more? i'm developing keysign.php, which is the php scrip that manages debian key signing coordination page (http://oink.cc.ntu.edu.tw/~cklin/signing/). keysign.php is pretty finished and functioning, at least on woody. but chuan-kay lin, the server administrator of oink.cc.ntu.edu.tw, reported me a little and insignificant *feature*. upon further examination i saw that the problem can be easilyy reproduced in few lines of code. ?php dl(pgsql.so); $conn=pg_connect(dbname=dummy user=dom); $res=pg_exec($conn, select * from dummy_table); ? you create a database and a table in it. be sure you have correct rights. exec the given code and see your apache happily segfaulting. all that happens on my potato system with: libc62.1.3-10 postgresql 6.5.3-23 apache 1.3.9-13.1 php4 4.0b3-6 php4-pgsql 4.0b3-6 php does not complain about anything, although in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini error_reporting is set to 8. of course i don't know whether the bug is in apache or in php4-pgsql. i think it is not in my test script for sure. as already i said, on woody everything runs well. i could not recompile php4 debian sources on my potato since they look for apsx for creating apache modules and, as far as i searched, i couldn't find it. i would not be much that happy to have such a bug as this hanging aroung in a stable distribution. :( -[ Domenico Andreoli, aka cavok ]--[ ICQ: 56447243 --[ get my public gpg key at http://www.freeweb.org/free/cavok/ -[ unix is user friendly. it's just selective about who its friends are... -[ 3A0F 2F80 F79C 678A 8936 4FEE 0677 9033 A20E BC50 ]-- pgpt2IPvtxW5S.pgp Description: PGP signature
ITP: SkipStone
Skipstone is a GTK+ webbrowser that uses mozilla's embed features. It is similar to galeon only it is pure GTK+, no GNOME. The author asked me to make packages of it, and I have uploaded it into Debian. It is placed under the GPL. See http://www.muhri.net/skipstone/ for more info. -- Brian M. Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Systems Engineer Woodland Park 6612C Voice: 703-889-1048 Fax: 703-889-1060 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free Pine?
There's no legal difference between Debian and people who recieve it from us. [Legally, there's no such entity as Debian.] Nor is there a difference from the viewpoint of our social contract. On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:35:49AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: Then why do we have DSFG #8 `License Must Not Be Specific to Debian' if there is no Debian? [1] I did not say that there's no Debian -- I said that there's no such legal entity. [2] There is a Debian, but (at least conceptually) it can include everybody. In other words, DFSG #8 is exactly what I'm talking about. -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP lame
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 02:06:38PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Sep 05, Michael Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it was legal for lame to be distributed with debian, I can tell you now, it would be in the archive overnight. - But it isnt, so it wont. We have pandora for that, and I remember Wichert agreed to this use. What still needs to be done to have a debian section for software covered by software patents? The problem is not patents, it's that this particular patent also applies in Germany, meaning we can't distribute from non-us either. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http/ftp: dvdeug.dhis.org I knew all of the floors in my high school, and none of the ceilings. - Chris Painter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP lame
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:10:49AM -0500, David Starner wrote: The problem is not patents, it's that this particular patent also applies in Germany, meaning we can't distribute from non-us either. Yes we can, but not to or from Germany. Non-US is in The Netherlands, which doesn't have software patents. -- The idea is that the first face shown to people is one they can readily accept - a more traditional logo. The lunacy element is only revealed subsequently, via the LunaDude. [excerpted from the Lunatech Identity Manual] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
When typing german umlauts my system behaves inconsistent: When typing in xterm|gnome-terminal windows they don't appear. Some chars do beep, but none of the umlauts appear. The following code in your .bashrc should cure this, see stty(1): if tty -s then stty pass8 fi You should also select a display font with iso-8859-1 or -15 encoding. (BTW, it seems an underdocumented X feature that you can use things like Win-K on Any Keyboard[tm] to get an euml; (eh, pine beeps while pico doesn't...)) Don't think so. This is language dependent. Take a look through `xmodmap -pke` for a feeling of what wonderful [EMAIL PROTECTED] stuff you can produce. Karsten -- Karsten Tinnefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fachbereich Informatik, Lehrstuhl 2 T +49 231 755-4737 Universität Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund, Deutschland F +49 231 755-2047 pgp2DPAVvvztf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: build question
David Starner schrieb: On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:29:02AM +0200, Tom Cato Amundsen wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 07:19:11PM +, michael d. ivey wrote: my main server is potato. is it bad for me to be building packages there if they are destined for woody? should i start building on a woody box? If possible, your package should depend on packages in potato only. Then users won't be forced to install other unstable packages, just to try out your package. Contrary to Tom, though, if packages are destined for woody, packages should be built on woody, because that's how the build demons will build them, that's how people will run them, and that's how they will eventually be released. It will also help shake out bugs in unstable libraries. That sounds reasonable. If you want to build them so that potato users can use them, do so and store them in a directory on master or a private machine and tell people how to get them. Or just educate people on how to use dpkg-buildpackage (apt-get -b source). This would be even easier if dpkg-buildpackage would handle Build-Relations itself. I like debian source packages ... ciao, 2ri -- They are really completely different things, so don't mix them up, but they have a close relation to each other. -- http://hurddocs.org/whatis/translator.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP lame
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Bart Schuller wrote: The problem is not patents, it's that this particular patent also applies in Germany, meaning we can't distribute from non-us either. Yes we can, but not to or from Germany. Non-US is in The Netherlands, which doesn't have software patents. The policy says about non-US: 2.1.5. The non-us server Some programs with cryptographic program code need to be stored on the non-us server because of export restrictions of the U.S. This applies only to packages which contain cryptographic code. A package containing a program with an interface to a cryptographic program or a program that's dynamically linked against a cryptographic library should not be distributed via the non-us server if it is capable of running without the cryptography library or program. The non-US server is only for packages that include cryptographic program code. You are allowed to use all of these packages outside the USA, inside the USA and you may import them into the USA. The only restriction is you can't export them from the USA. Packages in non-US/main are part of Debian. non-US has NOTHING to do with patents or other restrictions on the use of the packages. You are even allowed to use these packages inside the USA. cu, Adrian -- A No uttered from deepest conviction is better and greater than a Yes merely uttered to please, or what is worse, to avoid trouble. -- Mahatma Ghandi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free Pine?
Scripsit Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then why do we have DSFG #8 `License Must Not Be Specific to Debian' if there is no Debian? There *is* a Debian. But it's not a legal *person*, it's a *work*. It is possible to write up a license that says, for example, that copies of program X may be sold for monetary gain only as long as it is sold together with an entire official Debian diskset or an entire snapshot of the FTP archive. Such a license would fail #8 because it is specific to the work Debian. -- Henning Makholm Need facts -- *first*. Then the dialysis -- the *analysis*. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP: SkipStone
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:03:07AM -0400, Brian Almeida wrote: Skipstone is a GTK+ webbrowser that uses mozilla's embed features. It is similar to galeon only it is pure GTK+, no GNOME. The author asked me to make packages of it, and I have uploaded it into Debian. It is placed under the GPL. See http://www.muhri.net/skipstone/ for more info. Skipstone appears to have some licensing problems. It has no overall license file, just comments in its source. Also, the Mozilla rendering component is released under the MPL, which is incompatible with the GPL. Galeon had to relicense with an exception clause - take a look at the current Galeon tarball for the COPYING.README file. Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP: SkipStone
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000, Brian Almeida wrote:
Skipstone is a GTK+ webbrowser that uses mozilla's embed features. It is
similar to galeon only it is pure GTK+, no GNOME. The author asked me to
make packages of it, and I have uploaded it into Debian. It is placed under
the GPL. See http://www.muhri.net/skipstone/ for more info.
Since Mozilla isn't GPLed yet, perhaps you could ask the author to
add a can be linked with MPL code clause like Galeon, to avoid license
compatibility issues ?
Regards,
Sam.
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Re: ITP: SkipStone
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:42:56AM -0400, Peter Teichman wrote: On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:03:07AM -0400, Brian Almeida wrote: Skipstone is a GTK+ webbrowser that uses mozilla's embed features. It is similar to galeon only it is pure GTK+, no GNOME. The author asked me to make packages of it, and I have uploaded it into Debian. It is placed under the GPL. See http://www.muhri.net/skipstone/ for more info. Skipstone appears to have some licensing problems. It has no overall license file, just comments in its source. I talked with the author on IRC and verified that it is GPL. He's making a new tarball with a COPYING file, he was just lazy and didn't add it since there were comments in the code. Also, the Mozilla rendering component is released under the MPL, which is incompatible with the GPL. Galeon had to relicense with an exception clause - take a look at the current Galeon tarball for the COPYING.README file. Mozilla was relicensed under the GPL... wouldn't everything be relicensed? In any case, I just talked to the author on IRC (such a wonderful thing), he's agreed to add the exception clause as well (he just copied Galeon's COPYING.README file). I'll be uploading a fixed version in about 2 minutes :) -- Brian M. Almeida Linux Systems Engineer | http://www.winstar.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian Developer | http://www.debian.org | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Janet Reno fissionable quiche Ruby Ridge DES PLO COSCO Nazi Cocaine genetic Ft. Meade Waco, Texas David John Oates Roswell Craig Livingstone ammunition nuclear Albania Clinton Delta Force -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP: SkipStone
Brian Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mozilla was relicensed under the GPL... Not quite, as I understand it: Mozilla is *in process* of being relicensed under GPL. All contributors have to be contacted to verify agreement first. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#70948: ITP: ifinnish-small, ifinnish-huge
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist New versions of ispell-fi (binary packages wfinnish and ifinnish) have three sizes for the spelling dictionary: small, medium and large. Their differences are in the number of words and word forms recognized and in the disk space and memory requirements for ispell. I intend to create the binary packages ifinnish-small (containing the small dictionary) and ifinnish-huge (containing the large dictionary). The ifinnish package (which is recommended for most uses) will contain the medium-size dictionary. Upstream URL: http://ispell-fi.sourceforge.net/ -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%% -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP: SkipStone
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 05:48:17PM +0200, Samuel Hocevar wrote: On Tue, Sep 05, 2000, Brian Almeida wrote: Skipstone is a GTK+ webbrowser that uses mozilla's embed features. It is similar to galeon only it is pure GTK+, no GNOME. The author asked me to make packages of it, and I have uploaded it into Debian. It is placed under the GPL. See http://www.muhri.net/skipstone/ for more info. Since Mozilla isn't GPLed yet, perhaps you could ask the author to add a can be linked with MPL code clause like Galeon, to avoid license compatibility issues ? Already done, and just uplaoded. The author simply included the same exception galeon had. -- Brian M. Almeida Linux Systems Engineer | http://www.winstar.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian Developer | http://www.debian.org | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ruby Ridge Clinton Honduras munitions COSCO Ft. Meade Soviet $400 million in gold bullion Monica Lewinsky strategic Ft. Bragg SCUD missile bomb FBI Watergate cryptographic radar Semtex Saddam Hussein supercomputer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WTF does zsh 3.1.9 does in potato-proposed-updates ?
Why a new zsh was introduced in potato-proposed-updates ? It's not compatible with thw previous version... I thought potato-proposed-updates was just about severe bugfixes... Phil. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP lame
Adrian == Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Adrian The non-US server is only for packages that include Adrian cryptographic program code. Adrian non-US has NOTHING to do with patents or other restrictions Adrian on the use of the packages. You are even allowed to use these Adrian packages inside the USA. IMHO the policy says no such thing. It says that if a package has actual crypto code, it goes in non_US, but packages with no crypto code, just onterfaces to them, need not go into non-US. Policy is not all-encompassing; and since it does not mention patent encumberment, it is perfectly fine for non-US to host them, as long as the local laws that non-US is governed by are not violated. Why should parochial laws prevent this? manoj -- I am approached with the most opposite opinions and advice, and by men who are equally certain that they represent the divine will. I am sure that either the one or the other is mistaken in the belief, and perhaps in some respects, both. I hope it will not be irreverent of me to say that if it is probable that God would reveal his will to others on a point so connected with my duty, it might be supposed he would reveal it directly to me. Abraham Lincoln Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP lame
[this is debian-devel, where we don't Cc unless explicitly asked] On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 05:24:12PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: The policy says about non-US: 2.1.5. The non-us server That's in the context of how to categorize a package, not a list of Debian machines and their one and only purposes. What frustrates me is that there's software that's - useful - free - legal (at least for quite a few millions of people) but not officially available for Debian. I understand fully that using the name non-US for patent-encumbered software is wrong. However, the machine pandora.debian.org is in an excellent position to also host a non-Software-Patents section of the archive, which can again be subdivided in main, contrib and non-free. -- The idea is that the first face shown to people is one they can readily accept - a more traditional logo. The lunacy element is only revealed subsequently, via the LunaDude. [excerpted from the Lunatech Identity Manual] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP lame
At 07:40 PM 9/5/00 +0200, Bart Schuller wrote: What frustrates me is that there's software that's - useful - free - legal (at least for quite a few millions of people) but not officially available for Debian. I understand fully that using the name non-US for patent-encumbered software is wrong. However, the machine pandora.debian.org is in an excellent position to also host a non-Software-Patents section of the archive, which can again be subdivided in main, contrib and non-free. If we do that, I suggest that non-Software-Patents is a bad name. Perhaps patented is a better name. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt and multiple connections
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Russell Coker wrote: I would like to transfer several files at a time to enable usable throughput through slow web caches. Is there any way this can be done? If not can this feature be added? If I recall it isn't too hard, but it isn't there specificly to prevent yahoos on 'fast' links from tanking our archive servers. As much as I hate saying it, if you are behind a poor web cache or have an ISP that QOS's HTTP then you should probably use ftp.. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No german umlauts in console and xterm
5.09.2000 pisze Florian Hinzmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [symptomata snipped] Let me ask you one question: how did you set the `locale' variables (LANG, LC_MESSAGES, LC_CTYPE and another LC_* companions)? I can type umlauts without any problems, under console and X (having pl_PL locale set, which means ISO-8859-2): . This is X. . . This is console. best regards, Jubal -- [ Miros/law L Baran, baran-at-knm-org-pl, neg IQ, cert AI ] [ 0101010 is ] [ BOF2510053411, makabra.knm.org.pl/~baran/, alchemy pany ] [ The Answer ] Death is just nature's way of telling you to slow down. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
