date:20150217

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:

So, please go educate yourself on what libsystemd0 actually does,

i know what it does, and what it does - technically - is *not* the
issue that i am concerned about.

and if
for some reason you still consider it a problem after doing so, you'll
need to explain why,

i have done so, a number of times. take away the name of the
library. take away what it does. take away how it does it, because
none of those things are relevant.

what *does* concern me is that it takes such incredible (and amazing)
efforts by people like adam for the average end-user or sysadmin to
contemplate replacing {insert nameless package}.

that *is* the problem. i'm aware that there are many people in key
positions in debian who do not see this lack of choice as being the
problem, but i can assure you that it is.

because as demonstrated in this thread, even those
developers in Debian who still do care about non-systemd systems do not
agree with you that it's a problem. See, for instance, Russ's response,
which you lauded while failing to actually comprehend, since you seem to
believe that his response described something that needed changing
rather than describing the current state.

i believe tiredness may be affecting my ability to understand the
point you're trying to make, here. i'm genuinely pleased that russ
(and adam) came up with the same possible solution (dynamic library
loading) that, if deployed, would end this entire issue because it
would allow people to make a choice.

ah. i got it. i worked it out. the sentence that bothered me was
the one which implied that no change is possible. or desirable. i
leave it to you over the next few weeks and months to assess whether
that assertion is true or not: when people continue, over the next few
weeks and months to *not* stop talking about systemd, remember this
moment, yeah?

We used to build a half-dozen versions of libsdl, with support for
various libraries, just so that people could avoid installing unused
libraries on their systems. We don't do that anymore; if you install a
program based on libsdl, you'll get libsdl1.2debian, which depends on
libasound2 and libpulse0 and libdirectfb-1.2-9 and libx11-6 and other
libraries. If you always run against X with ALSA, and never run with
DirectFB or PulseAudio, then you get a couple of extra libraries on your
system. Worth it so that libsdl doesn't have to build a half-dozen
conflicting binary packages.

great! sounds like a sensible decision to me.

question. is libsdl on a par with sysvinit, openrc, systemd and
depinit? no it isn't, is it. if you run a server, do you *really*
need libsdl? no you don't, do you.

and, y'know what: another thing - the very fact that there *is*
choice within libsdl - a lot of it - different backends, different
graphics, different sound libraries, that's... that's fantastic!

... because it's everything that systemd is not.

right now, my deepest concern is that there isn't any other choice.
do you not also perceive that as being a problem?

You should also learn what the word unilateral means; for someone
willing to pedantically post a link to a dictionary, you seem to have
failed to read it. Distributions and projects have independently (or,
if you like, *multilaterally*) started using systemd because it works
well for them.

yyyeah... i know - because they all took what the upstream developers
provided and they all ripped out everything *but* systemd.

and that means we're into a monoculture.

do you see that that is a problem? to make it clear: under what
circumstances has a monoculture traditionally and historicallybeen a
problem, under software-related (and non-software-related)
circumstances?

And yes, that means they use libsystemd0, whether or not
they depend on PID 1 at runtime. Your incredulity at how that managed
to happen does not actually refute that it did.

i never said that it did, nor was i incredulous at how it happened.
i believe i've posted a number of times - twice on this list -
indicating that i have been keeping an eye on this for some time, and
also analysed retrospectively what happened. *at no time* did i post
any kind of unrealistic statements how did that happen?? i can see
very clearly how it happened, and, importantly - twice at least - i've
gone to some lengths to say that i don't consider it to be anyone's
fault.

... where on earth are you getting this stuff about how incredulous
i am from, josh? :) *puzzled and tired*...

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Axel Wagner

Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net writes:
  what *does* concern me is that it takes such incredible (and amazing)
 efforts by people like adam for the average end-user or sysadmin to
 contemplate replacing {insert nameless package}.

insert libc6. Or insert perl. Or insert linux-image. And suddenly no one
cares (not even you). You have to do better than this, sorry. Just that
a package has reverse dependencies and that you have to recompile a big
part of the debian archive to install a debian without them does *not*
mean, that this package is in any way problematic or takes away choice.


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Accepted haskell-blogliterately 0.7.1.7-1 (source all amd64) into unstable, unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Dmitry Bogatov

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Re: Should we mark #388141 as jessie-ignore?

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Wise

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Riley Baird wrote:

 Kind of, but it's only for that one article. Is there something similar
 that lists all edits to the wiki itself like that? If not, I could make
 one by downloading the revision histories for all pages on the wiki and
 then parsing them, but this might place strain on the server (and would
 be much more difficult).

Isn't #388141 solely about the website?

There is #385797 about the wiki content.

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread josh

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:52:21PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
  So, please go educate yourself on what libsystemd0 actually does,
 
  i know what it does, and what it does - technically - is *not* the
 issue that i am concerned about.

Then you've given no reason whatsoever for anyone to remove it.  Because
without that, all the same arguments apply to how hard it would be to
remove PAM, glibc, glib, or many other libraries, most of which would be
even harder to remove than libsystemd0.

From current unstable:

~$ aptitude search '?depends(libsystemd0)' -F '%p' | wc -l
70

If you're going to artificially inflate that number by talking recursive
reverse-dependencies, then I would suggest that you look at the
number of packages removed by attempting to remove libpam0g, or
libglib2.0-0, or libc6.  By any reasonable definition, those are not
optional either.

  and if
  for some reason you still consider it a problem after doing so, you'll
  need to explain why,
 
  i have done so, a number of times.  take away the name of the
 library.  take away what it does.  take away how it does it, because
 none of those things are relevant.

Apparently they are, to you, or you'd be making the same rant about
something that didn't contain the substring systemd.

  what *does* concern me is that it takes such incredible (and amazing)
 efforts by people like adam for the average end-user or sysadmin to
 contemplate replacing {insert nameless package}.

And you've now completely ignored my question.  If you want people to
*care* that it's hard to remove libsystemd0, you'll have to explain why
anyone would *want* to remove libsystemd0.  There exist a pile of other
libraries in Debian that have far more reverse dependencies and would
take much more work to remove.

  that *is* the problem.  i'm aware that there are many people in key
 positions in debian who do not see this lack of choice as being the
 problem, but i can assure you that it is.

Your assertions have little to no credibility; even less every time you
write a new mail in this thread.  I've already seen evidence (in the
form of mails in this very thread) demonstrating that people who have
said in the past they care about preserving non-systemd init systems
(e.g. Russ) do *not* see the point of avoiding dependencies on
libsystemd0.  So you're currently arguing on behalf of a niche of a
niche, and you're doing absolutely nothing to explain why the subset of
users who don't want libsystemd0 installed (which thus far appears to
contain 2-3 users) is worth a *disproportionate* amount of development
time.

  because as demonstrated in this thread, even those
  developers in Debian who still do care about non-systemd systems do not
  agree with you that it's a problem.  See, for instance, Russ's response,
  which you lauded while failing to actually comprehend, since you seem to
  believe that his response described something that needed changing
  rather than describing the current state.
 
  i believe tiredness may be affecting my ability to understand the
 point you're trying to make, here.  i'm genuinely pleased that russ
 (and adam) came up with the same possible solution (dynamic library
 loading) that, if deployed, would end this entire issue because it
 would allow people to make a choice.

If you're (intentionally or unintentionally) misinterpreting Russ's mail
as suggesting that dlopen would be a good idea, let's stop talking past
each other: no, that'd be a bad idea, since the amount of additional
code needed to do so would make the use of libsystemd0 more painful,
when libsystemd0 is not a sufficiently large or invasive library to
warrant that.  libsystemd0 exists to avoid having to write duplicate
code in numerous programs; adding more such duplicate code to use dlopen
would defeat the purpose.  We use dlopen for libraries that are either
1) absurdly huge, 2) have unwanted dependencies, or 3) have issues that
prevent depending on them (such as libdvdcss).

libsystemd0 itself is specifically designed to not depend on any other
component of systemd; libsystemd0 *is* the thing you link to to
*optionally* use systemd functionality.  And you still have yet to
explain why anyone would need to remove it.  (Arguments against systemd,
credible or otherwise, do not automatically apply to libsystemd0.)

I'm all out of patience now, and I no longer have any hope that you
actually care about being taken seriously.  I have no plans to respond
to any future mails from you.

If you *do* end up caring about being taken seriously, I would suggest
that you re-read my previous response, and take some action in response
to it *other* than replying, ideally involving 1) some research and 2)
some understanding of basic mailing list etiquette.  Consider in
particular the mental models that other people might use to classify the
usefulness and credibility of your mail; if there were a

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Russ Allbery

Nathan Schulte nmschu...@gmail.com writes:
 On 02/17/2015 11:49 AM, The Wanderer wrote:

 libsystemd0_is_  dynamically loaded, precisely so that userspace
 applications can make the decision at runtime as to what to do.

 What about dynamically linked?  Maybe Luke means dynamic linking
 (necessitating dynamic loading) instead?

It's already dynamically linked too.

If the argument is that it should be opened with dlopen at runtime, I'm
quite confident that there are *many* people on debian-devel who have
worked with shared libraries and can spell out many reasons why that's a
horrible idea.  And it serves no practical, useful purpose.  (Removing
every package whose name contains the string systemd is not a practical,
useful purpose.  It's just silly.)

What Luke spent thousands of words advocating for is basically what the
systemd upstream has *already done* with libsystemd0.  One could even say
that it's a primary *purpose* of that library.  So, yay, I guess?  The
world is much better than you had thought and already as good as the
compromise position you thought you could get!

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Josh Triplett

It's not the fact that you wrote such a long email that is necessarily
the problem; it's that you've shown no signs of either reading or
comprehending most of what people have actually said to you.  Instead,
you launched into a new set of diatribes that show very little sign of
having actually learned anything from anyone in the thread, including
the people you're quoting.

You seem to be complaining that people have failed to educate you.  Bear
in mind that many developers have spent so much time attempting to
educate systemd opponents (a rather thankless task), and at this point
have the very reasonable expectation that people will spend at least a
little time educating themselves.  This might be the first time *you're*
demanding such explanations, but it might be the four-hundredth time
that the person responding to has given such explanations, hence the
lack of remaining patience.  Tone down your sense of entitlement, as
well as your claim to be speaking for people other than yourself.

All that said, the much bigger concern is that you seem to be resistant
to *actually being educated* after demanding such from other people.
Such clue-resistance, together with your writing style (optimized for
your own writing rather than others reading), rants, entitlement,
condescension, taking Slashdot seriously, posting links to dictionary
entries you clearly haven't read, and various other factors, leads you
to being dismissed as a crank.  If you want to be taken seriously, fix
those things before you come back.  And if you *don't* want to be taken
seriously, then please don't come back at all.

For instance:

Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
 understanding or otherwise how systemd works is not the point:
 the point is that there has been a unilateral decision across
 virtually every single GNU/Linux distro to abandon and remove *any*
 alternative to having libsystemd0 installed.
[...]
 i'm asking why does *only* having libsystemd0 as the
 sole exclusive startup method

First, that you consider libsystemd0 a problem, or a startup method,
shows that you *do* need to take more time understanding how systemd
works.  libsystemd0 exists largely to talk to systemd components if
present; linking to it does not mandate the use of systemd as PID 1, nor
does libsystemd0 actually start other processes.  Go read the (very well
documented) headers in /usr/include/systemd/sd-*.h .  Among other
things, libsystemd0 contains a function sd_booted() to check if the
system actually runs systemd, so that applications don't have to
reinvent such logic themselves.

So, please go educate yourself on what libsystemd0 actually does, and if
for some reason you still consider it a problem after doing so, you'll
need to explain why, because as demonstrated in this thread, even those
developers in Debian who still do care about non-systemd systems do not
agree with you that it's a problem.  See, for instance, Russ's response,
which you lauded while failing to actually comprehend, since you seem to
believe that his response described something that needed changing
rather than describing the current state.

We used to build a half-dozen versions of libsdl, with support for
various libraries, just so that people could avoid installing unused
libraries on their systems.  We don't do that anymore; if you install a
program based on libsdl, you'll get libsdl1.2debian, which depends on
libasound2 and libpulse0 and libdirectfb-1.2-9 and libx11-6 and other
libraries.  If you always run against X with ALSA, and never run with
DirectFB or PulseAudio, then you get a couple of extra libraries on your
system.  Worth it so that libsdl doesn't have to build a half-dozen
conflicting binary packages.

You should also learn what the word unilateral means; for someone
willing to pedantically post a link to a dictionary, you seem to have
failed to read it.  Distributions and projects have independently (or,
if you like, *multilaterally*) started using systemd because it works
well for them.  And yes, that means they use libsystemd0, whether or not
they depend on PID 1 at runtime.  Your incredulity at how that managed
to happen does not actually refute that it did.

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Accepted haskell-hledger 0.24-1 (source all amd64) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread Dmitry Bogatov

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Steve Langasek

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:52:21PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:

  So, please go educate yourself on what libsystemd0 actually does,

  i know what it does, and what it does - technically - is *not* the
 issue that i am concerned about.

And that is why you'll find little interest here in entertaining your
argument.  You have *not* presented any evidence that Debian is technically
worse off as a result of packages depending on libsystemd0.

 take away the name of the library.  take away what it does.  take away how
 it does it, because none of those things are relevant.

  what *does* concern me is that it takes such incredible (and amazing)
 efforts by people like adam for the average end-user or sysadmin to
 contemplate replacing {insert nameless package}.

  that *is* the problem.  i'm aware that there are many people in key
 positions in debian who do not see this lack of choice as being the
 problem, but i can assure you that it is.

Your assurances here are unpersuasive.  Choice for choice's sake is NOT an
objective of Debian.  And your proposal is worse than that; it's not giving
users a real choice at all, because the only alternative you're offering
besides integration with systemd is software NOT integrating with systemd. 
This provides no technical value to our users, and is nothing but a sop to
those who object to the string 'systemd' appearing in their dpkg output.

You can waste your own time on such pointless pursuits if you wish.  But
stop wasting ours.

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Accepted zendframework 1.12.11+dfsg-1 (source all) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread David Prévot

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Accepted osgi-compendium 5.0.0-1 (source all) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread Markus Koschany

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Accepted miceamaze 4.2.1-1 (source amd64) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread Raphael Champeimont

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Re: Optional shared libraries system

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Wise

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Josh Triplett wrote:

 You can do something very similar with weak symbols.  You don't even
 need to use dlopen to test for their existence; you can just test the
 symbol directly to check for NULL, or you can supply your own version
 that'll be used if you don't have the shared library.  You do still have
 to load the library yourself, though, at which point you might as well
 use that as the did I find it test.

glibc upstream pointed me at these threads:

https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-help/2013-02/msg00017.html
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.tizen.devel/4892

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Johannes Schauer

Hi,

Quoting Didier 'OdyX' Raboud (2015-02-17 21:31:05)
 Le lundi, 16 février 2015, 13.38:01 Adam Borowski a écrit :
  Second, all but one (upower) of affected packages can be recompiled to
  drop the dependency.  If you bothered to read lists you're subscribed
  to, you would probably know of my set of deinfected packages at:
   deb http://angband.pl/debian nosystemd
   deb-src http://angband.pl/debian nosystemd
  which are included for example in Trios.  After such a recompilation,
  you can have a systemd-free system with no functionality loss -- in
  fact, it does solve some regressions compared to systemd-using hacks
  like -shim.
 
 Given a common interface (such as 'nosystemd' in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS), 
 I, for one, would most probably include (whishlist-level) patches 
 reducing this repetitive work to needing to set up automatic buildds 
 setting the correct options.

build profiles would be a better fit for such a mechanism. You could then even
conditionally include or exclude build dependencies depending on whether or not
the build profile nosystemd is active or enable or disable certain binary
packages being built.

This would abuse build profiles to work more like Gentoo USE flags. I talked
about that idea a bit in this thread:

http://lists.debian.org/20141212114840.15300.27739@hoothoot

I'm not endorsing this idea but just wanted to point out that this would be a
technically superior solution to encoding this in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS. This would
for example also make it possible for downstreams of Debian which want a
systemd free derivative to contribute their modifications back into Debian.
The only difference they would then have is, that their buildds would build
packages with DEB_BUILD_PROFILES=nosystemd set.

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Accepted haskell-binary-conduit 1.2.3-1 (source all amd64) into unstable, unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Clint Adams

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Accepted kde-dev-scripts 4:14.12.2-1 (source all) into experimental

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Accepted nailgun 0.9.1-1 (source amd64) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread Miguel Landaeta

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Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Java Maintainers 
pkg-java-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Miguel Landaeta nomad...@debian.org
Description:
 nailgun- client, protocol, and server for running Java programs from CLI
Closes: 776087
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 .
   [ Hideki Yamane ]
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 .
   [ Miguel Landaeta ]
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 - Introduce 2 new patches:
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   + debian/patches/remove_parent_from_main_pom.patch
 - Add B-D on libmaven-source-plugin-java and libmaven-install-plugin-java.
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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Andrew Shadura

Hi Luke,

On 17 February 2015 at 17:28, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
l...@lkcl.net wrote:
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In short, this is TL;DR. We've all got better things to waste our time
on. Please go away. Nobody's interested in this any longer regardless
of their position on systemd.

Thanks.

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Accepted iucode-tool 1.2-1 (source amd64) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh

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Maintainer: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org
Changed-By: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org
Description:
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 iucode-tool (1.2-1) experimental; urgency=low
 .
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Accepted lldpad 0.9.46-3 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Jacob Luna Lundberg

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Maintainer: Debian FCoE Maintainers pkg-fcoe-gene...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Jacob Luna Lundberg ja...@gnifty.net
Description:
 lldpad - Link Layer Discovery Protocol Implementation (Runtime)
 lldpad-dev - Link Layer Discovery Protocol Implementation (Development headers
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 lldpad (0.9.46-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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   * Applied upstream's patch to switch to libnl-3.
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   * Added a lintian override for liblldp-clif1 packaged in lldapd.
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Bug#778625: ITP: libjs-term.js -- full xterm clone written in javascript

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org

* Package name: libjs-term.js
  Version : 0.0.4
  Upstream Author : Christopher Jeffrey chjjeff...@gmail.com
* URL : https://github.com/chjj/term.js
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Javascript
  Description : full xterm clone written in javascript

 Term.js is a full xterm clone written in javascript. It is a fork from the
 original work of Fabrice Bellard's javascript vt100 for jslinux (with the
 author's permission. The original design remains. The terminal itself has been
 extended to include xterm CSI codes, among other features.

This is a new dependency of the OpenStack dashboard, Horizon.


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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Eduard Bloch

Hallo,
* Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton [Tue, Feb 17 2015, 04:28:04PM]:
 so to summarise:
 
 * the use of libselinux1 is dormant (i.e. whilst you can't remove it
 without inconvenience, its use is entirely optional, right from the
 kernel level)
 * its development and documentation is rational and well-researched
 * the timeline behind its introduction was done in a respectful and
 reasonable way

 now let's compare that to the situation that we find ourselves in with
 libsystemd0:

Talk only about you, please. The yourselves of yours seems to lack
basic research skills.

 * the use of libsystemd0 is MANDATORY and EXCLUSIONARY (everywhere
 except slackware and FreeBSD)

Wrong. It is also dormant, except for a little function that
applications call.

 * its development is a moving target and the documentation of the
 roadmap is informal and sparse.

And that little piece of code had just six commits according to:
git log ./src/libsystemd/sd-daemon/sd-daemon.c | grep commit
and most of them are minor changes.

That's a HELL OF MOVING TARGET, yeah.  Now, enjoy the feel of being my
personal hero, take a cookie, STFU and go away. Thanks.

Deleted the rest of unfunded crap.

Regards,
Eduard.


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Accepted libcache-memcached-getparserxs-perl 0.01-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Christopher Hoskin

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Changed-By: Christopher Hoskin christopher.hos...@gmail.com
Description:
 libcache-memcached-getparserxs-perl - C/XS implementation of 
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Closes: 776208
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 .
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Accepted rancid 3.1-2 (source amd64 all) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread Roland Rosenfeld

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Maintainer: Roland Rosenfeld rol...@debian.org
Changed-By: Roland Rosenfeld rol...@debian.org
Description:
 rancid - Really Awesome New Cisco confIg Differ
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Closes: 778623
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 .
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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

ok, so there's been quite a discussion, both on slashdot, where
amazingly the comments that filtered to the top were insightful and
respectful, and also here on debian-devel and debian-users.  as i
normally use gmane to reply (and maintain and respect threads) but
this discussion is not *on* gmane, i apologise for having to write a
summary-style follow-up: if people would like me to reply (thank you
christian) please cc me in future, but (see last paragraph) i think
the software libre community's interests are best served if i wait for
replies to accumulate for a few days.

after thinking about this yesterday, a random sentence popped into my
head, which i believe is very appropriate:

i disagree with what you are saying, but i will defend your right
to say it.

i believe it was someone famous who wrote that, and it applies to this
situation because this really isn't about the technical merits of the
available software: solutions will come in time (and already are:
eudev, mdev, uselessd and many more).  the reason why i've joined this
debate is because i feel that closing doors on choice in ways that
force people to have to make extremely disruptive and risky decisions
that could adversely affect their livelihoods - i have a *really* bad
feeling about that, and i cannot sit by and let it happen without
speaking up.

in the past two days i've seen a lot of people on this list make it
clear (by saying for example you have the source, go modify it) that
they do not truly appreciate the responsibility and duty of care that
they have.  in saying that i can say that *i know* how you feel: i've
been the leader of many software libre projects where people would
expect me to feed them answers for no financial reward - and all those
other nuances that we frequently encounter.  but i learned in the past
few years that even if you are not being paid, you *still* have a duty
to those people less intelligent or with less time or less money than
you.  we're *serving others* with our skill, time and intelligence.
it's a really awkward and delicate situation, i know, but answering
go away and modify the source yourself is to do both yourself and
the recipient of that answer a very strong disservice.

anyway - down to it.

so, marco, you wrote:

 Again, you clearly do not understand well how systemd works.

marco: understanding or otherwise how systemd works is not the point:
the point is that there has been a unilateral decision across
virtually every single GNU/Linux distro to abandon and remove *any*
alternative to having libsystemd0 installed.  historical precedent in
the software industry and beyond tells us that placing so much power
and trust in a single system and a single group should be ringing
alarm bells so loudly in your head that you should wake up deaf after
having first passed out with dizziness! :)

so could i ask you, as i really genuinely don't understand, why is it
that the lack of choice here *doesn't* bother you?  i'm not asking for
a technical review or a technically-based argument as to why
libsystemd0 is better - that has been debated many many times and is
entirely moot.  i'm asking why does *only* having libsystemd0 as the
sole exclusive startup method, removal of which prevents and prohibits
the use of a whopping FIFTEEN PERCENT of the available debian software
base, and where that exclusive exclusionary process is being rapidly
duplicated across virtually every single GNU/Linux distribution that
we know; why does that *not* make you pause for thought that there
might be something desperately and very badly wrong?

ric writes, amongst other things:

 You are completely free to fork or go your own direction,

indeed we are, and in fact one person mentions further in the thread
so far that they did exactly that.  they also outline quite how much
work it is.  on the slashdot discussion, someone pointed out that it
was really unconscionable that people have to go to such extreme
lengths.  GNU/Linux distros should be a place where people can make
happy and convenient choices, not extreme decisions!  the extreme
absurd version of what you suggest is to do what very very few people
in the world have ever done (one of them being richard lightman, an
amazingly intelligent and reclusive individual), namely to create an
*entire* linux distribution - on their own - from source.  i take it
you can see, from that example, quite how much of a disservice it is
to say what you said, ric?

no, the very fact that this *doesn't go away* - that discussions about
libsystemd0 are *continuous and ongoing*, should tell you that there
is something very, very badly wrong with what's going on.  and that's
what i want to get to the bottom of.  like... *properly* understand.

the second thing, ric, is that i have to point out, respectfully, that
there are signs that you didn't read the slashdot article summary, nor
my report, as shown here:

 But, to raise comparisons to MicroSoft is very much out of line.

that is a

Accepted fcoe-utils 1.0.29+git20140505-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Jacob Luna Lundberg

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Maintainer: Debian FCoE Maintainers pkg-fcoe-gene...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Jacob Luna Lundberg ja...@gnifty.net
Description:
 fcoe-utils - Fibre Channel over Ethernet utilities
Changes:
 fcoe-utils (1.0.29+git20140505-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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Accepted wmcube 1.0.0-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Doug Torrance

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Source: wmcube
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1.0.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Doug Torrance dtorra...@monmouthcollege.edu
Changed-By: Doug Torrance dtorra...@monmouthcollege.edu
Description:
 wmcube - spinning 3D object that shows the current CPU load
Closes: 775110
Changes:
 wmcube (1.0.0-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream release.
   * New maintainer (Closes: #775110).
   * debian/compat
 - Bump to 9.
   * debian/control
 - Bump versioned dependency on debhelper to =9.
 - Remove dpatch from Build-Depends.
 - Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.6.
 - Update Homepage.
 - Add Vcs-*.
 - Add ${misc:Depends} to Depends.
 - Remove duplicate Section and Priority fields.
   * debian/copyright
 - Update to DEP5 machine-readable format version 1.0.
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 - New file.
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 - (10_fixes_for_0.99pre1_upgrade.dpatch, 20_parallel_build.dpatch,
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Accepted python-osmapi 0.5.0-1~exp2 (source all) into experimental, experimental

2015-02-17 Thread Bas Couwenberg

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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GIS Project pkg-grass-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Bas Couwenberg sebas...@debian.org
Description:
 python-osmapi - Python interface to OpenStreetMap API
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Accepted libapache-session-memcached-perl 0.03-1 (source all) into unstable, unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Christopher Hoskin

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Changed-By: Christopher Hoskin christopher.hos...@gmail.com
Description:
 libapache-session-memcached-perl - Perl module for storing persistent data 
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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Vincent Bernat

 ❦ 17 février 2015 12:57 GMT, Alastair McKinstry alastair.mckins...@sceal.ie :

 The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a
 separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent  a weekend repairing
 systemd introduces no such breakage. Also, /usr on a separate partition 
 was partially broken even before systemd.

 My system broke. It was fine, I did an upgrade - jessie. It broke
 because of systemd and the fact I had /usr on a separate partition.
 And no initrd? Mounting /usr is the job of the initrd.

 Examination after the fact showed that if I'd had the correct packages
 installed, it would have worked.  So from a Debian perspective this
 was 'notabug'.  (modules that were not needed day-to-day had been
 deleted by hand to make space on /.  A broken initrd was then built
 during dist-upgrade. My fault).

 But this didn't change the user experience: a system broke badly during
 systemd upgrade due to local changes.

There were other similar breakage totally unrelated to systemd. For
example:
 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720593

In the meantime, moving libraries from /usr/lib to /lib or adding
symlinks was considered unproductive and the problem was fixed by
mounting /usr in the initrd:
 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=652459
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Accepted kapptemplate 4:14.12.2-1 (source amd64) into experimental

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Ben Hutchings

On Tue, 2015-02-17 at 12:57 +, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
 On 17/02/2015 10:55, Vincent Bernat wrote:
   ❦ 17 février 2015 10:18 GMT, Alastair McKinstry 
  alastair.mckins...@sceal.ie :
 
  The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a
  separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent  a weekend repairing
  systemd introduces no such breakage. Also, /usr on a separate partition 
  was partially broken even before systemd.
 
  My system broke. It was fine, I did an upgrade - jessie. It broke
  because of systemd and the fact I had /usr on a separate partition.
  And no initrd? Mounting /usr is the job of the initrd.
 
 Examination after the fact showed that if I'd had the correct packages
 installed, it would have worked.
 So from a Debian perspective this was 'notabug'.
 (modules that were not needed day-to-day had been deleted by hand to
  ^^^ 
 make space on /.
 A broken initrd was then built during dist-upgrade. My fault).
[...]

Yes, exactly.  Laying any blame on systemd for this is completely
unreasonable.

(It might be more reasonable to blame initramfs-tools if it didn't give
you any warnings.)

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Accepted abcde 2.6-2 (source all) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Steve McIntyre

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Accepted kde-base-artwork 4:14.12.2-1 (source all) into experimental

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Matthias Klumpp

2015-02-17 13:57 GMT+01:00 Alastair McKinstry alastair.mckins...@sceal.ie:
[...]

Examination after the fact showed that if I'd had the correct packages
installed, it would have worked.
So from a Debian perspective this was 'notabug'.
(modules that were not needed day-to-day had been deleted by hand to
make space on /.
A broken initrd was then built during dist-upgrade. My fault).

But this didn't change the user experience: a system broke badly during
systemd upgrade due to local changes. A blaming exercise of your own
fault for doing X and you should have known Y doesn't change the
fact that systemd changes are so comprehensive and all-invasive that
systemd works well for two groups:

With that argumentation, we could not make any changes to Debian
anymore, because users could do any arbitrary change which could break
upgrade, e.g. removing stuff from /sbin manually etc.
If you perform invasive changes on your system, and then do a Debian
upgrade, you should be able to handle the upgrade and take additional
care to make the upgrade work properly with your local changes.

either 'simple users' who make no changes to the standard
configurations, or full systemd developers who know the detailed changes
that it makes in all areas and the consequences for their computers.

Users who make a few local changes to their system, not simple
configuration changes but code / scripting
changes of their own, now live in trepidation to what systemd will do.

That's not systemd-specific. If you make bigger invasive changes, I
would expect you to *know* what you are doing and be able to handle
the consequences of the changes. There is no way we can account for
random changes in Debian packaging.

Its no longer enough to run a standard Debian + a unique firewall whose
design I made and know well
now live in trepidation, not sure what systemd changes will come next.

Everything is changing constantly :-) And systemd does have migration
paths in case stuff is changed. But again, this particular I don't
know what change will be next issue is not specific to systemd -
Debian itself might introduce new default packages at any time, or
perform large transitions like the multiarch-transition, which break
your assumptions on how stuff usually was (in that example, libraries
suddently being installed into /usr/lib/triplet).

Most components in Linux are small, self-contained, concisely
documented. Not so for systemd.

That's a false assumption. Systemd consists of small, well-documented
tools which happen to be shipped in one tarball and are designed to
work together and work together well.
Just take a look at the contants of the systemd Debian package ;-)

Cheers,
Matthias

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Bug#778619: ITP: python-kafka -- client for Apache Kafka

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org

* Package name: python-kafka
  Version : 0.9.3
  Upstream Author : David Arthur mum...@gmail.com
* URL : https://github.com/mumrah/kafka-python
* License : Apache-2.0
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : client for Apache Kafka

 This module provides low-level protocol support for Apache Kafka as well as
 high-level consumer and producer classes. Request batching is supported by the
 protocol as well as broker-aware request routing. Gzip and Snappy compression
 is also supported for message sets.

This is a new dependency for OpenStack kilo.


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Accepted python-oslo.utils 0.2.0-1 (source all) into unstable

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Accepted suricata 2.0.6-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Pierre Chifflier

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Version: 2.0.6-1
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Pierre Chifflier pol...@debian.org
Changed-By: Pierre Chifflier pol...@debian.org
Description:
 suricata   - Next Generation Intrusion Detection and Prevention Tool
Closes: 772551
Changes:
 suricata (2.0.6-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Pierre Chifflier ]
   * Imported Upstream version 2.0.6
   * Add Arturo to uploaders
 .
   [ Arturo Borrero Gonzalez ]
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Accepted firegestures 1.9~b4-1 (source all) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread David Prévot

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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Mozilla Extension Maintainers 
pkg-mozext-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: David Prévot taf...@debian.org
Description:
 xul-ext-firegestures - execution of various commands with five types of 
gestures
Changes:
 firegestures (1.9~b4-1) experimental; urgency=medium
 .
   * Team upload
 .
   [ Gomita ]
   * ver.1.9b4
 .
   [ David Prévot ]
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Accepted systemd 219-1 (source amd64) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread Martin Pitt

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libgudev-1.0-0 gir1.2-gudev-1.0 libgudev-1.0-dev python3-systemd systemd-dbg
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 219-1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian systemd Maintainers 
pkg-systemd-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Martin Pitt mp...@debian.org
Description:
 gir1.2-gudev-1.0 - libgudev-1.0 introspection data
 libgudev-1.0-0 - GObject-based wrapper library for libudev
 libgudev-1.0-dev - libgudev-1.0 development files
 libpam-systemd - system and service manager - PAM module
 libsystemd-daemon-dev - systemd utility library (transitional package)
 libsystemd-dev - systemd utility library - development files
 libsystemd-id128-dev - systemd 128 bit ID utility library (transitional 
package)
 libsystemd-journal-dev - systemd journal utility library (transitional package)
 libsystemd-login-dev - systemd login utility library (transitional package)
 libsystemd0 - systemd utility library
 libudev-dev - libudev development files
 libudev1   - libudev shared library
 libudev1-udeb - libudev shared library (udeb)
 python3-systemd - Python 3 bindings for systemd
 systemd- system and service manager
 systemd-dbg - system and service manager (debug symbols)
 systemd-sysv - system and service manager - SysV links
 udev   - /dev/ and hotplug management daemon
 udev-udeb  - /dev/ and hotplug management daemon (udeb)
Closes: 755722 757367 759489 769186 771980 773302 774012 778499
Changes:
 systemd (219-1) experimental; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Martin Pitt ]
   * New upstream release:
 - Fix spelling mistake in systemd.unit(5). (Closes: #773302)
 - Fix timeouts with D-Bus, leading to SIGFPE. (Closes: #774012)
 - Fix load/save of multiple rfkill states. (Closes: #759489)
 - Non-persistant journal (/run/log/journal) is now readable by group adm.
   (Closes: #771980)
 - Read netdev user mount option to correctly order network mounts after
   network.target. (Closes: #769186)
 - Fix 60-keyboard.hwdb documentation and whitespace handling.
   (Closes: #757367)
 - Fix ThinkPad X1 Carbon 20BT trackpad buttons (LP: #1414930)
 - Drop all backported patches and port the others to new upstream release.
   * Bump libblkid-dev build dependency as per upstream configure.ac.
   * debian/systemd.install: Add new language-fallback-map file.
   * debian/udev.install: Add new systemd-hwdb tool.
   * debian/libsystemd0.symbols: Add new symbols from this release.
   * tmpfiles.d/systemd.conf: Drop wheel ACL (that group does not exist in
 Debian) to make the ACL for adm actually work.
   * debian/rules: Explicitly disable importd for now; it should still mature a
 bit. Explicitly enable hwdb support.
   * /lib/lsb/init-functions.d/40-systemd: Call systemctl is-system-running
 with --quiet. (LP: #1421058)
   * debian/systemd.postrm: Clean getty@tty1.service and remote-fs.target
 enablement symlinks on purge. (Closes: #778499)
   * Move all Debian specific units in the systemd package into
 debian/extra/units/ and simplify debian/systemd.install.
   * Enable timesyncd by default. Add a config drop-in to not start if ntp,
 openntpd, or chrony is installed. (Closes: #755722)
   * debian/systemd.links: Drop obsolete hwclockfirst.service mask link, this
 was dropped in wheezy's util-linux already.
   * debian/udev.postinst: Call systemd-hwdb instead of udevadm hwdb.
 .
   [ Michael Biebl ]
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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Andrew Shadura and...@shadura.me wrote:
 Hello,

 I'd like to apologise for my mail I sent about two hours ago. I have
 overreacted mainly because of the length of the email, CAPS INSIDE and
 also because it's a topic which is being discussed for more than a year
 and which many of people here are already tired of.

 i know, andrew.  i've been following it from a distance, staying away
until i had a better handle on what's going on, and a clue about
possible solutions.  i'm writing to the systemd developers now.


 I however still think that such lengthy writeups do really belong
 somewhere else, maybe to a blog, with a short post with a link being
 posted here.

  yehh, i wasn't expecting it to be that long - i lost track of
time, but also i wanted to make sure i addressed and included everyone
who responded over the past couple of days.

 Luke, Claude and everyone else, I am really sorry.

 not a problem andrew.


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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
l...@lkcl.net wrote:

 which should help answer the question you asked: your work - fantastic
 as it is - was *impossible to find*.  it doesn't even remotely come up
 on the radar of queries.  *nobody knows what you've achieved* and
 that's something i would like to help correct.

 ok done:  http://neofutur.net/systemd-vault
 also i've edited http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
adding a sentence that, i hope, allows what you did, adam, to be
easily distinguished from all the forks and rather challenging
alternatives to consider (including the inconvenience of moving away
from debian entirely).

l.


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Accepted openssh-known-hosts 0.6.2-1 (source all) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Timo Weingärtner

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Maintainer: Timo Weingärtner t...@tiwe.de
Changed-By: Timo Weingärtner t...@tiwe.de
Description:
 openssh-known-hosts - download, filter and merge known_hosts for OpenSSH
Changes:
 openssh-known-hosts (0.6.2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream version
   * fix invalid-short-name-in-dep5-copyright lintian warning
   * Bump Standards-Version
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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud

Le lundi, 16 février 2015, 13.38:01 Adam Borowski a écrit :
 Second, all but one (upower) of affected packages can be recompiled to
 drop the dependency.  If you bothered to read lists you're subscribed
 to, you would probably know of my set of deinfected packages at:
  deb http://angband.pl/debian nosystemd
  deb-src http://angband.pl/debian nosystemd
 which are included for example in Trios.  After such a recompilation,
 you can have a systemd-free system with no functionality loss -- in
 fact, it does solve some regressions compared to systemd-using hacks
 like -shim.

Given a common interface (such as 'nosystemd' in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS), 
I, for one, would most probably include (whishlist-level) patches 
reducing this repetitive work to needing to set up automatic buildds 
setting the correct options.

I'm mostly happy with systemd, but unhappy when people go monkey-patch a 
lot of packages when scalable and maintainable solutions could make 
everyone's life easier. Sure, including patches for build-time toggling 
of systemd support slightly increases the maintenance, but now that we 
have VCS'es everywhere, I tend to think it's mostly a one-time work.

Cheers,
OdyX


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Accepted stress-ng 0.03.17-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Colin King

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Source: stress-ng
Binary: stress-ng
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 0.03.17-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Colin King colin.k...@canonical.com
Changed-By: Colin King colin.k...@canonical.com
Description:
 stress-ng  - tool to load and stress a computer
Changes:
 stress-ng (0.03.17-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Makefile: bump version
   * Fix name clash on union on *BSD systems
   * Explicitly ignore return from wait*() calls by (void) cast
   * Add minimize/maximize to matrix size
   * Add --cache-prefetch option
   * Make opt_sequential int32 and print out hogs if --seq is being used
   * Handle builds for system calls that don't exist
   * stress-vm-rw: include missing header
   * Ignore args in kcmp for systems that don't support this call
   * Forgot ULL after fibonacci uint64_t assignment, warning on 32 bit mips
   * Add longjmp stressor
   * Constify a few more function args
   * Add in some shifts to vecmath
   * Constify a few more func args
   * Make cache no-ops into do {} while (0) statement
   * Move PR_* bit flags to bottom nybble, makes stress-ng smaller
   * Fix spelling mistake in manual: subtrace - subtract
   * Forgot to capitalise the matrix product methods
   * Add two more matrix product methods
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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Andrew Shadura

Hello,

I'd like to apologise for my mail I sent about two hours ago. I have
overreacted mainly because of the length of the email, CAPS INSIDE and
also because it's a topic which is being discussed for more than a year
and which many of people here are already tired of.

I however still think that such lengthy writeups do really belong
somewhere else, maybe to a blog, with a short post with a link being
posted here.

Luke, Claude and everyone else, I am really sorry.

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread The Wanderer

On 02/17/2015 at 11:28 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:

 so, marco, you wrote:
 
 Again, you clearly do not understand well how systemd works.
 
 marco: understanding or otherwise how systemd works is not the
 point: the point is that there has been a unilateral decision across 
 virtually every single GNU/Linux distro to abandon and remove *any* 
 alternative to having libsystemd0 installed.  historical precedent
 in the software industry and beyond tells us that placing so much
 power and trust in a single system and a single group should be
 ringing alarm bells so loudly in your head that you should wake up
 deaf after having first passed out with dizziness! :)
 
 so could i ask you, as i really genuinely don't understand, why is
 it that the lack of choice here *doesn't* bother you?  i'm not asking
 for a technical review or a technically-based argument as to why 
 libsystemd0 is better - that has been debated many many times and
 is entirely moot.  i'm asking why does *only* having libsystemd0 as
 the sole exclusive startup method, removal of which prevents and
 prohibits the use of a whopping FIFTEEN PERCENT of the available
 debian software base, and where that exclusive exclusionary process
 is being rapidly duplicated across virtually every single GNU/Linux
 distribution that we know; why does that *not* make you pause for
 thought that there might be something desperately and very badly
 wrong?

libsystemd0 is not a startup method, or an init system. It's a shared
library which permits detection of whether systemd (and the
functionality which it provides) is present.

There's certainly an undesirable ambiguity about what is meant by any
given use of the term systemd, since it can refer equally to the
/lib/systemd/systemd binary, to the PID1 process (which is exactly the
same as the previous thing AFAIK, except running as PID1 rather than as
a more ordinary system citizen), to more-or-less the entire collection
of software which is provided by the systemd project, or to the systemd
project itself. But as far as I'm aware, this is the first time I've
ever seen anyone refer to the PID1 process or the entire collection of
software as 'libsystemd0'.

You only harm your case by misusing and confusing terminology in that
way.

 russ writes:
 
 Alas, the resulting distribution is still hopelessly compromised by
 the NSA, who might be even worse than Lennart Poettering.  To see
 how deep the tendrils of US government infiltration go, just try
 removing libselinux1, and marvel at how much concerted malevolent
 effort has gone into destroying your freedom.
 
 and:
 
 Or, alternately, you could research how and why one would use
 shared libraries in a binary distribution to support optional
 features.  But that's boring, prosaic, and nowhere near as much fun
 to write about.
 
 ahhh russ - good maaan :)  here we have a hint of a possible
 solution, one where i'm going to need to speak to the systemd team
 for a feature request / design decision (and can i ask you and anyone
 else to do the same?).  you've hit on what i believe is *the* perfect
 and acceptable decision that is hinted at by the ridiculousness of
 the drastic demonstration that i made [to modify and recompile debian
 packages]. of *course* libsystemd0 should be dynamically loaded, and
 the userspace applications make the decision *at runtime* as to what
 to do!

libsystemd0 _is_ dynamically loaded, precisely so that userspace
applications can make the decision at runtime as to what to do.

systemd (in either of the first two senses, above) is not, but unless
I'm greatly mistaken, making that runtime detection possible is most if
not all of the entire reason why libsystemd0 exists.

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Nikolaus Rath

On Feb 17 2015, Alastair McKinstry alastair.mckins...@sceal.ie wrote:
 On 17/02/2015 10:55, Vincent Bernat wrote:
  ❦ 17 février 2015 10:18 GMT, Alastair McKinstry 
 alastair.mckins...@sceal.ie :

 The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a
 separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent  a weekend repairing
 systemd introduces no such breakage. Also, /usr on a separate partition 
 was partially broken even before systemd.

 My system broke. It was fine, I did an upgrade - jessie. It broke
 because of systemd and the fact I had /usr on a separate partition.
 And no initrd? Mounting /usr is the job of the initrd.

 Examination after the fact showed that if I'd had the correct packages
 installed, it would have worked.
 So from a Debian perspective this was 'notabug'.
 (modules that were not needed day-to-day had been deleted by hand to
 make space on /.
 A broken initrd was then built during dist-upgrade. My fault).

 But this didn't change the user experience: a system broke badly during
 systemd upgrade due to local changes.

Aeh, what? What you describe above is about as much related to a systemd
upgrade is it is to an ntfs-3g upgrade. Anything that triggers an initrd
rebuild would have had this effect. Blaming systemd is absurd.

Best,
-Nikolaus

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Marc Haber

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:31:19 +0100, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
As usual, the systemd critics are just misinformed. This comforts me. 
because it means that their views can be easily ignored.

And as usual, you don't make any effort to change the misinformation.
Otoh, most systemd documentation lacks objectivity.

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread claude juif

2015-02-17 19:29 GMT+01:00 Nathan Schulte nmschu...@gmail.com:

 Hi Andrew,

 On 02/17/2015 11:58 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote:
  I find it really rude to send emails of about 300 lines of text in
  total. Extremely rude.

 I for one am grateful Luke took the time to write the email he did.  I
 understand it was long and I believe that most won't even take the
 time to read it.  That is unfortunate, as I feel it is extremely
 level-headed and Luke actually wants to work at a resolution, which is
 much more than I can say for some of the other discussions I've been
 reading to try and keep up and stay informed.


I agree with this. This discussion is really valuable, and i see no flame
here. Just a discussion.

And that's what i find really wonderful with open source. You can speak
about things, say you are agree or not, and with every single part of
discussion, learn. Learning is the most important things in Linux world IMO.

I will use systemd because i like many of the improvements of it, (even if
i'm a system administrator lol)  but i want to know why some people don't
want to use it.

I learn a lot with that.




 The issue is that your reply does not contribute, and instead only
 detracts from the conversation.  I think everyone agrees that the more
 time we spend discussing the less time we spend developing a solution,
 but there is that saying about slowing down to speed up; I think it's
 applicable here.

 Please, next time, either disregard the email and keep silent, or make
 your reply relevant to the conversation.

 Understanding, addressing, and resolving these issues is *not a waste
 of time*.  If you feel that way, you are welcome to contribute in
 other ways.

 These are just my thoughts.

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Nathan Schulte


On 02/17/2015 11:49 AM, The Wanderer wrote:

You only harm your case by misusing and confusing terminology in that
way.


russ writes:


Alas, the resulting distribution is still hopelessly compromised by
the NSA, who might be even worse than Lennart Poettering.  To see
how deep the tendrils of US government infiltration go, just try
removing libselinux1, and marvel at how much concerted malevolent
effort has gone into destroying your freedom.


and:


Or, alternately, you could research how and why one would use
shared libraries in a binary distribution to support optional
features.  But that's boring, prosaic, and nowhere near as much fun
to write about.


ahhh russ - good maaan:)   here we have a hint of a possible
solution, one where i'm going to need to speak to the systemd team
for a feature request / design decision (and can i ask you and anyone
else to do the same?).  you've hit on what i believe is*the*  perfect
and acceptable decision that is hinted at by the ridiculousness of
the drastic demonstration that i made [to modify and recompile debian
packages]. of*course*  libsystemd0 should be dynamically loaded, and
the userspace applications make the decision*at runtime*  as to what
to do!

libsystemd0_is_  dynamically loaded, precisely so that userspace
applications can make the decision at runtime as to what to do.


What about dynamically linked?  Maybe Luke means dynamic linking 
(necessitating dynamic loading) instead?


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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread claude juif

2015-02-17 17:55 GMT+01:00 Andrew Shadura and...@shadura.me:

 Hi Luke,

 On 17 February 2015 at 17:28, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
 l...@lkcl.net wrote:
  265 lines of text and counting snipped

 In short, this is TL;DR. We've all got better things to waste our time
 on. Please go away. Nobody's interested in this any longer regardless
 of their position on systemd.

 Thanks.


Hi,

Really rude answer. Really bad.



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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:20 PM, claude juif claude.j...@gmail.com wrote:

2015-02-17 17:55 GMT+01:00 Andrew Shadura and...@shadura.me:

Hi Luke,

On 17 February 2015 at 17:28, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
l...@lkcl.net wrote:
265 lines of text and counting snipped

In short, this is TL;DR. We've all got better things to waste our time
on. Please go away. Nobody's interested in this any longer regardless
of their position on systemd.

Thanks.

Hi,

Really rude answer. Really bad.

thanks for pointing that out, claude - it helps that it was someone
else who pointed out that being uncivil by asking a *person* to go
away doesn't make the *problem* go away.

andrew: i will go away only when i am satisified that the problem
which i believe it is my duty and responsibility to help highlight and
fix has, in fact gone away.

if you feel that this is sufficiently beyond your psyche's limits,
there are a number of ways in which you may deal with that, but
*demanding* of people that they violate their principles, as well as
inconveniencing many other people and increasing _their_ stress levels
by voicing such demands... can you see how that that really will not
work out very well, for everyone involved, including yourself?

short answer: no, i will not accede to your unreasonable demand. i
have the right to speak up, and, just to make it clear: like that
famous person said, which i find myself quoting within a couple of
hours for completely different reasons, i do not agree with you, but
i will defend your right to say so.

so thank you for making it clear that you find this difficult to cope
with, but please do take a relaxing holiday or something, ok? :)

anyway, in other news, i'm delighted to have been made aware (very
recently) of the work by adam borowski, which i have to say is
completely unknown and underappreciated at this point. links are
here:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=119836

it would appear that one person has managed to achieve what the
devuan team are endeavouring to duplicate, and what my report has only
begun to scratch the surface on. i find this to be incredibly funny.

*but*... we are *not done yet*. the work by adam is amazing and
everything that i was hoping would be done as an interim measure, so
adam THANK YOU, you have made it possible for the average end-user and
sysadmin to continue to manage their machines in a convenient way
*and* still make the choice to not have libsystemd0 present, and
that's just... words fail me to express my gratitude.

*but*... the next phase is to tackle upstream and to pursue the
design concept advocated by russ: dynamic loading. there really
should be no need to use what adam's done (or what devuan want). it
*really should* be possible to install (or remove) a few packages that
are *part of debian*, and have libsystemd0 enabled or disabled *at
will*. even with editing an /etc/ config file.

that this is not even possible *is* why i will not stop - andrew -
until it is. have i made myself clear?

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Accepted cvsweb 3:3.0.6-8 (source all) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Daniel Leidert

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Andrew Shadura and...@shadura.me wrote:
 Hi,

 On 17 February 2015 at 18:20, claude juif claude.j...@gmail.com wrote:
 Really rude answer. Really bad.

 I find it really rude to send emails of about 300 lines of text in
 total. Extremely rude.

 i did apologise in advance, and explained why i took the steps that i
did,.  if you are unable to accept that apology, i cannot help you
with that, andrew (as in: i recognise that i have no right to
interfere with your choice of mindset): it is your decision to choose
what to think and what to react to (positively or otherwise), and i
have to respect that.

 however as this is a public forum for discussing debian, and there
are thousands of people reading this and many more in the future,
apart from apologising for taking up so much time in distractions of
this kind i am not going to get involved further into discussions of
ettiquette, if that's ok.

l.


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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

adam, i apologise for not being in a position to reply in-thread: as
mentioned previously i tried (via gmane) but the entire discussion is
completely missing, and i forgot to ask people in the original post to
cc me if they would like an ongoing threaded reply.

i also notice that you removed debian-user, so for those people on
that list who (like me) were completely unaware of the fantastic work
that you've done, here is a link to the archives containing what you
wrote:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/02/msg00189.html

all i can say is, HOORAY! and thank you for doing properly what i
only hinted at was possible. i wish i had known of what you've done,
even a few days ago. i would have:

(a) not have had to mess up my system
(b) would not have written the slashdot report
(c) would not have heard from so many people who have put links to my
report onto their site
(d) not been in a position to further advocate your fantastic work (to them)

so... actually.. if you think about it, it's a good thing.

if you don't mind i'm going to contact several people who maintain web
sites and lists in order to have them add your work to them.

which should help answer the question you asked: your work - fantastic
as it is - was *impossible to find*. it doesn't even remotely come up
on the radar of queries. *nobody knows what you've achieved* and
that's something i would like to help correct.

now, exactly as you, i and russ point out, the next phase is to do
dynamic library loading. i'm absolutely delighted to note that you
have a handle on this, already, and i see you make it clear that
you've thought it through already.

i plan to write directly to the systemd developers, taking at face
value the recent announcement that they listen to users. is there
anything that you would recommend in particular that i include?

well done, and thank you for making my hacks completely irrelevant in
under 24 hours.

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Nathan Schulte

Hi Andrew,

On 02/17/2015 11:58 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote:
 I find it really rude to send emails of about 300 lines of text in
 total. Extremely rude.

I for one am grateful Luke took the time to write the email he did.  I
understand it was long and I believe that most won't even take the
time to read it.  That is unfortunate, as I feel it is extremely
level-headed and Luke actually wants to work at a resolution, which is
much more than I can say for some of the other discussions I've been
reading to try and keep up and stay informed.

The issue is that your reply does not contribute, and instead only
detracts from the conversation.  I think everyone agrees that the more
time we spend discussing the less time we spend developing a solution,
but there is that saying about slowing down to speed up; I think it's
applicable here.

Please, next time, either disregard the email and keep silent, or make
your reply relevant to the conversation.

Understanding, addressing, and resolving these issues is *not a waste
of time*.  If you feel that way, you are welcome to contribute in
other ways.

These are just my thoughts.

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Accepted exim4 4.84-8 (source i386 all) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Andreas Metzler

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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Andrew Shadura

Hi,

On 17 February 2015 at 18:20, claude juif claude.j...@gmail.com wrote:
 Really rude answer. Really bad.

I find it really rude to send emails of about 300 lines of text in
total. Extremely rude.

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Accepted juk 4:14.12.2-1 (source amd64) into experimental

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Accepted jovie 4:14.12.2-1 (source amd64 all) into experimental

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Accepted yade 1.12.0-3~exp1 (source all) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread Anton Gladky

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Source: yade
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Architecture: source all
Version: 1.12.0-3~exp1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Science Maintainers 
debian-science-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Anton Gladky gl...@debian.org
Description: 
 libyade- Platform for discrete element modeling. Libraries
 python-yade - Platform for discrete element modeling. Python bindings
 yade   - Platform for discrete element modeling
 yade-doc   - Platform for discrete element modeling. Documentation
Closes: 777065 778190
Changes: 
 yade (1.12.0-3~exp1) experimental; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Anton Gladky ]
   * [5ac2a25] Let yade be built only on specific archs.
 .
   [ Dejan Latinovic ]
   * [ac47ddb] Enable yade on on mips/mipsel. (Closes: #777065)
 .
   [ Anton Gladky ]
   * [fef7397] Fix compilation with  GCC-5. (Closes: #778190).
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Bug#778645: ITP: python-openstacksdk -- SDK for building applications to work with OpenStack

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org

* Package name: python-openstacksdk
  Version : 0.3.2
  Upstream Author : OpenStack Foundation openstack-...@lists.openstack.org
* URL : https://github.com/stackforge/python-openstacksdk
* License : Apache-2.0
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : SDK for building applications to work with OpenStack

 The python-openstacksdk is a collection of libraries for building applications
 to work with OpenStack clouds. The project aims to provide a consistent and
 complete set of interactions with OpenStack's many services, along with
 complete documentation, examples, and tools.
 .
 This SDK is under active development, and in the interests of providing a
 high-quality interface, the APIs provided in this release may differ from
 those provided in future release.

This is a new dependency for OpenStack Kilo.


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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Brett Parker

On 17 Feb 17:44, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
  thanks for pointing that out, claude - it helps that it was someone
 else who pointed out that being uncivil by asking a *person* to go
 away doesn't make the *problem* go away.
 
  andrew: i will go away only when i am satisified that the problem
 which i believe it is my duty and responsibility to help highlight and
 fix has, in fact gone away.

Well, if you're going to stay and waffle on incoherently, can you at
least learn to use some capital letters at the beginning of sentences.

Oh, and to stop waffling, do some research on what you're complaining
about, and form a coherent idea rather than write long paragraphs that
no one wants to read, and will send most people to sleep.

So far, your entire set of posts have been, to say the least, tedious
and already covered in other threads. Please go read *all* the other
threads that there have been on this, and *then* and *only then* think
about carrying on.

Sheesh,
-- 
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Accepted grace 1:5.1.25-1 (source) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Nicholas Breen

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Description:
 grace  - XY graphing and plotting tool
Closes: 775749
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Accepted owslib 0.8.13-1~exp (source all) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread Johan Van de Wauw

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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GIS Project pkg-grass-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Johan Van de Wauw johan.vandew...@gmail.com
Description:
 python-owslib - Client library for Open Geospatial (OGC) web services
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 .
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Accepted qlandkartegt 1.8.1+ds-1~exp1 (source amd64) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread Bas Couwenberg

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Description:
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Accepted stevedore 1.1.0-1 (source all) into experimental

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Description:
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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Alberto Garcia

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 01:54:35AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:

 you have the right to choose whether the situation that you are
 complicit in is something that you find acceptable or whether you do
 not. i leave it entirely to you to decide.

As a matter of fact we have already decided.

The status of systemd within Debian has already been discussed at
length (and voted), and points of view like yours have been expressed
many times in the past.

Please be more considerate before bringing this topic back again, and
particularly before suggesting that the developers of Debian are in
denial or unaware of the situation of the project.

Users are entitled to disagree with the direction of Debian and stop
using it, and developers also have the right to ignore opinions if
they feel that they don't contribute anything new.

And since that is the case here, this is my first and last message in
this thread.

Berto


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Accepted kde-dev-utils 4:14.12.2-1 (source amd64) into experimental

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Accepted gnupg2 2.0.26-5 (source) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor

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Version: 2.0.26-5
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GnuPG Maintainers pkg-gnupg-ma...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Daniel Kahn Gillmor d...@fifthhorseman.net
Description:
 gnupg-agent - GNU privacy guard - password agent
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Closes: 773415 773423 773469 773471 773472 778577
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 gnupg2 (2.0.26-5) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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 (Closes: #773415, #773469, #773471, #773472, #773423)
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Accepted liburcu 0.8.6-2 (source amd64) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Jon Bernard

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Description:
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 liburcu (0.8.6-2) unstable; urgency=medium
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Accepted hmisc 3.15-0-1 (source i386) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel

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Description:
 r-cran-hmisc - GNU R miscellaneous functions by Frank Harrell
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 .
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Accepted osgi-core 5.0.0-1 (source all) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread Markus Koschany

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Source: osgi-core
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Architecture: source all
Version: 5.0.0-1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Java Maintainers 
pkg-java-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Markus Koschany a...@gambaru.de
Description:
 libosgi-core-java - Java OSGi API - Core module
 libosgi-core-java-doc - Javadoc for Java OSGi API - Core module
Changes:
 osgi-core (5.0.0-1) experimental; urgency=medium
 .
   * Team upload.
   * Imported Upstream version 5.0.0.
   * Update debian/watch. Drop orig-tar.sh and use the sources from Maven.
 This is more convenient then trying to find the hidden sources on osgi.org.
   * Update get-orig-source target and repack the tarball to tar.xz format.
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   * javabuild: Use org directory instead of src.
   * wrap-and-sort -sa.
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Accepted lazarus 1.2.4+dfsg2-1 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Gevers

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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Carlos Laviola clavi...@debian.org
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Description:
 lazarus- IDE for Free Pascal - SDK dependency package
 lazarus-1.2.4 - IDE for Free Pascal - suite
 lazarus-doc - IDE for Free Pascal - documentation dependency package
 lazarus-doc-1.2.4 - IDE for Free Pascal - documentation
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 lazarus-ide-1.2.4 - IDE for Free Pascal - common IDE files
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 lcl- Lazarus Components Library - LCL dependency package
 lcl-1.2.4  - Lazarus Components Library - LCL suite
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 lcl-gtk2-1.2.4 - Lazarus Components Library - GTK+ backend
 lcl-nogui  - Lazarus Components Library - no GUI backend dependency package
 lcl-nogui-1.2.4 - Lazarus Components Library - no GUI backend
 lcl-qt4- Lazarus Components Library - Qt backend dependency package
 lcl-qt4-1.2.4 - Lazarus Components Library - Qt backend
 lcl-units  - Lazarus Components Library - backend independent components depen
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 lcl-utils  - Lazarus Components Library - command line build tools dependency
 lcl-utils-1.2.4 - Lazarus Components Library - command line build tools
Closes: 777622
Changes:
 lazarus (1.2.4+dfsg2-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Strip lcl/interfaces/carbon from the tar ball as the files in
 that directory are licensed under the Apple Public Source License
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   * Add note to d/copyright that we also strip carbon
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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Riley Baird

  But dictatorially coming in and demanding that volunteers join you in
  riding your hobby horse? Please leave.
 
 I did not see any dictatorial demands in his message, he gave the story
 on how to get rid of systemd _within_ Debian, nothing else.

True, but it was bait for another systemd debate, which unfortunately seems to 
have succeeded. (There would be nothing wrong with posting such a guide 
normally, but generally guides shouldn't be mixed with several paragraphs of 
politics.)


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Accepted kamera 4:14.12.2-1 (source amd64) into experimental

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Description:
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Accepted shutdown-at-night 0.15 (source all) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Holger Levsen

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Version: 0.15
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Edu Packaging Team 
debian-edu-pkg-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Holger Levsen hol...@debian.org
Description:
 shutdown-at-night - System to shut down clients at night, and wake them in the 
mornin
Closes: 775608
Changes:
 shutdown-at-night (0.15) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Wolfgang Schweer ]
   * Adjust the 'who' command to exclude the special case of gdm3 greeter
 running as user '(unknown)' to be assumed as a logged in user
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Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Svante Signell

On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 23:45 +0100, Mart van de Wege wrote:
 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net writes:
 
  On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler christ...@iwakd.de 
  wrote:
  Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:
 
  http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/
 
 
  It's funny that when Wheezy (not Jessie!) came out, nobody complained
  that libsystemd-login0 (which is now part of libsystemd0) was as a
  dependency of dbus, so it is probably already installed on most desktop
  systems running current Debian stable.

The amount chew aimed for with today's systemd was not known at that
time.

   my assessment is that it's that total lack of choice that is causing
  people to get so upset.

 And you have a choice: stick with old software, or (help) code a
 replacement yourself. That has always been the Free Software way.

Replacement software is already being developed, no problem! Don't say
that everybody complains, many people see this a challenge to make a
change from ?mainstream?.

 But dictatorially coming in and demanding that volunteers join you in
 riding your hobby horse? Please leave.

I did not see any dictatorial demands in his message, he gave the story
on how to get rid of systemd _within_ Debian, nothing else.



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Accepted nut 2.7.2-2 (source all amd64) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Laurent Bigonville

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Source: nut
Binary: nut nut-server nut-client nut-cgi nut-snmp nut-ipmi nut-xml 
nut-powerman-pdu nut-doc libupsclient4 libupsclient-dev python-nut nut-monitor 
libups-nut-perl
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 2.7.2-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Arnaud Quette aque...@debian.org
Changed-By: Laurent Bigonville bi...@debian.org
Description:
 libups-nut-perl - network UPS tools - Perl bindings for NUT server
 libupsclient-dev - network UPS tools - development files
 libupsclient4 - network UPS tools - client library
 nut- network UPS tools - metapackage
 nut-cgi- network UPS tools - web interface
 nut-client - network UPS tools - clients
 nut-doc- network UPS tools - documentation
 nut-ipmi   - network UPS tools - IPMI driver
 nut-monitor - network UPS tools - GUI application to monitor UPS status
 nut-powerman-pdu - network UPS tools - PowerMan PDU driver
 nut-server - network UPS tools - core system
 nut-snmp   - network UPS tools - SNMP driver
 nut-xml- network UPS tools - XML/HTTP driver
 python-nut - network UPS tools - Python bindings for NUT server
Closes: 747863 06
Changes:
 nut (2.7.2-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Laurent Bigonville ]
   * debian/gbp.conf: Switch to debian-jessie branch
   * debian/rules: Revert the changes made in the previous NMU, I don't think
 that dropping the .service file that late in the release cycle is a good
 idea and anyway this was causing left-over files on upgrade.
   * Add wrappers that check the MODE in /etc/nut/nut.conf to avoid starting
 the daemons if nut is not configured (Closes: #747863).
 .
   [ Michael Fincham ]
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 left over from old installations during NUT-Monitor startup.
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Re: Debian for drones?

2015-02-17 Thread Michal Politowski

On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:10:52 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Alastair McKinstry wrote:
 
  Debian for Drones(TM)
 
 Are there any that could run Debian?
 
 It might be interesting to use them to ferry microphones at DebConf :)

Eg. this one does http://linux.conf.au/slides/159/AP_Linux.pdf#page=8
although it is probably not the drone you are looking for :)

-- 
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Talking has been known to lead to communication if practiced carelessly.


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Accepted php5 5.6.5+dfsg-2 (source all) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Ondřej Surý

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Urgency: high
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Changed-By: Ondřej Surý ond...@debian.org
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module)
 libapache2-mod-php5filter - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language 
(apache 2 filter mo
 libphp5-embed - HTML-embedded scripting language (Embedded SAPI library)
 php-pear   - PEAR - PHP Extension and Application Repository
 php5   - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (metapackage)
 php5-cgi   - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (CGI binary)
 php5-cli   - command-line interpreter for the php5 scripting language
 php5-common - Common files for packages built from the php5 source
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 php5-dev   - Files for PHP5 module development
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 php5-fpm   - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (FPM-CGI binary)
 php5-gd- GD module for php5
 php5-gmp   - GMP module for php5
 php5-imap  - IMAP module for php5
 php5-interbase - interbase/firebird module for php5
 php5-intl  - internationalisation module for php5
 php5-ldap  - LDAP module for php5
 php5-mcrypt - MCrypt module for php5
 php5-mysql - MySQL module for php5
 php5-mysqlnd - MySQL module for php5 (Native Driver)
 php5-odbc  - ODBC module for php5
 php5-pgsql - PostgreSQL module for php5
 php5-phpdbg - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (PHPDBG binary)
 php5-pspell - pspell module for php5
 php5-readline - Readline module for php5
 php5-recode - recode module for php5
 php5-snmp  - SNMP module for php5
 php5-sqlite - SQLite module for php5
 php5-sybase - Sybase / MS SQL Server module for php5
 php5-tidy  - tidy module for php5
 php5-xmlrpc - XML-RPC module for php5
 php5-xsl   - XSL module for php5
Closes: 778374
Changes:
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 .
   * Add patch to revert upstream commit on feof that broke Horde and
 others (Courtesy of Mike Gabriel) (Closes: #778374)
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Accepted filelight 4:14.12.2-1 (source amd64) into experimental

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Accepted sbcl 2:1.2.8-1 (source all amd64) into experimental

2015-02-17 Thread Christoph Egger

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Source: sbcl
Binary: sbcl sbcl-doc sbcl-source
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 2:1.2.8-1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Common Lisp Team 
pkg-common-lisp-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Christoph Egger christ...@debian.org
Description:
 sbcl   - Common Lisp compiler and development system
 sbcl-doc   - Documentation for Steel Bank Common Lisp
 sbcl-source - Source code files for SBCL
Changes:
 sbcl (2:1.2.8-1) experimental; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream version
 changes in sbcl-1.2.8 relative to sbcl-1.2.7:
   * enhancement: better error and warning messages. (lp#1314767, lp#736383)
   * enhancement: backtrace for invalid argument count produces the exact
 supplied arguments including the extra ones, on x86, x86-64 and ARM.
   * enhancement: a STYLE-WARNING is signaled for DEFSTRUCT accessors which
 are used before the structure is defined; similarly for the predicate.
   * optimization: FORMAT NIL with only ~a and string arguments is 
transformed
 into CONCATENATE.
   * optimization: POSITION and FIND when inlined into code that is compiled
 with qualities of safety  2 and speed  space will no longer signal
 an error on circular lists, but will potentially loop forever if given
 no :END constraint. As was always the case, calls that are not inlined
 are safe regardless of lexical policy.
   * bug fix: CLOS methods compiled with (OPTIMIZE (DEBUG 0))
 no longer cause debugger failure when printing a backtrace
   * bug fix: more resilience to deleted code. (lp#1308328, lp#1390544)
   * bug fix: the CLHS example of MAKE-LOAD-FORM involving TREE-WITH-PARENT
 did not work, and now it does.
 changes in sbcl-1.2.7 relative to sbcl-1.2.6:
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 more reliably. (lp#1398785)
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 function was compiled, indicating a likely compilation order problem.
 Likewise a warning ensues if a call is compiled to a function
 that is subsequently proclaimed INLINE.
   * enhancement: always lose() when something goes wrong while saving a 
core
 (instead of just printing an error on stderr in some situations).
   * enhancement: frames in the debugger are now restartable by default.
   * bug fix: restore error handling on Windows x86.
   * bug fix: MAKE-SEQUENCE detects type errors in its :INITIAL-ELEMENT
 at compile-time when possible. (lp#330299)
   * bug fix: parsing of malformed type specifiers no longer results
 in a memory-fault-error.
   * bug fix: LOOP properly destructures nested lists in WITH.
   * bug fix: MACROEXPANDing the redefinition of an alien structure type no
 longer signals the wrong error.
   * bug fix: PROGV doesn't get confused by forced DEBUG 3 (lp#1405456).
 changes in sbcl-1.2.6 relative to sbcl-1.2.5:
   * enhancement: SERVE-EVENTS uses the poll() system call in lieu of
 select() if the OS has the former. Previously poll() was used
 only if waiting on exactly one file descriptor.
   * enhancement: efficiency of access to untagged structure slots is 
improved
 on x86-64, and the order of slots in memory is exactly as specified by
 defstruct, simplifying use of structures as arguments to foreign calls.
   * bug fix: SB-DEBUG:ARG now works in all TRACE options which evaluate 
forms.
(lp#1357826)
   * bug fix: GC memory corruption during internal memory handling.
   * bug fix: duplicate effective-slot-definition objects as compared
 by EQ on name could be present in CLASS-SLOTS of a class whose
 metaclass was structure-class or condition-class. (lp#1049423)
   * bug fix: HANDLER-BIND with empty bindings works again; regression in
 1.2.5. (lp#1388707)
   * bug fix: ATOMIC-INCF works on structure slots in interpreted code.
 (lp#1381867)
   * bug fix: MAKE-ARRAY properly handles character types like (eql #\a) and
 (member #\a #\c). (lp#1392068)
   * bug fix: READ sometimes accidentally preserved a whitespace character
 after a token when it should not have. (lp#327790)
 changes in sbcl-1.2.5 relative to sbcl-1.2.4:
   * enhancement: sb-bsd-sockets now has basic support for IPv6
   * enhancement: An sb-unicode package has been added, containing
 many functions related to handling Unicode text
   * enhancement: The reader now normalizes symbols to Normalization
 Form KC (NFKC). This behavior can be disabled with
 SB-EXT:READTABLE-NORMALIZATION
   * enhancement: a

Accepted nut 2.7.2-3 (source all amd64) into unstable

2015-02-17 Thread Laurent Bigonville

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Source: nut
Binary: nut nut-server nut-client nut-cgi nut-snmp nut-ipmi nut-xml 
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libups-nut-perl
Architecture: source all amd64
Version: 2.7.2-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Arnaud Quette aque...@debian.org
Changed-By: Laurent Bigonville bi...@debian.org
Description:
 libups-nut-perl - network UPS tools - Perl bindings for NUT server
 libupsclient-dev - network UPS tools - development files
 libupsclient4 - network UPS tools - client library
 nut- network UPS tools - metapackage
 nut-cgi- network UPS tools - web interface
 nut-client - network UPS tools - clients
 nut-doc- network UPS tools - documentation
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 nut-powerman-pdu - network UPS tools - PowerMan PDU driver
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 .
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Bug#778602: ITP: django-stronghold -- Django app to make all views default login_required

2015-02-17 Thread Sunil Mohan Adapa

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Sunil Mohan Adapa su...@medhas.org

* Package name: django-stronghold
  Version : 0.2.7
  Upstream Author : Mike Grouchy mgrou...@gmail.com
* URL : https://github.com/mgrouchy/django-stronghold
* License : Expat
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : Django app to make all views default login_required

Stronghold is a very small and easy to use Django app that makes all
your Django project default to require login for all of your views.

Motivation:
FreedomBox's administration web interface uses Django.  A couple of time
we found ourselves with code missing the @login_required decorator.  If
such mistake ever goes public it is a serious security error allow people
to modify their system without login.  We decided make login_required the
default rather the opposite.  At first we wrote a small custom solution
but after seeing a need to improve it and find this Django app we decided
to use it.  There is currently a merge request pending needs this package.

Similar packages:
As far as I have looked, there is no upstream or Debian package providing
similar functionality.

Maintenance plan:
I plan to maintain it as part of the collab-maint team.  This package will
also be cared for as part of the FreedomBox effort as it will be used
there.  I contacted the upstream author with a patch to provide Python 3
and Django 1.7 support.  I got an immediate merge of patch, new release
and an offer to help in case the Debian packaging effort requires any.
There is small (expected for a small project like this) but recent
activity on the upstream project indicating its good health.


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Accepted kaccessible 4:14.12.2-1 (source amd64) into experimental

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Version: 4:14.12.2-1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian/Kubuntu Qt/KDE Maintainers debian-qt-...@lists.debian.org
Changed-By: Maximiliano Curia m...@debian.org
Description:
 kaccessible - accessibility services for Qt applications
 kaccessible-dbg - debugging symbols for kaccessible
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Accepted kalzium 4:14.12.2-1 (source amd64 all) into experimental

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Accepted kbruch 4:14.12.2-1 (source amd64) into experimental