Re: Exciting Pilot/Debian news
John Goerzen wrote: pilot-manager -- Perl/TK hotsync tool (waiting for me to download and try it out) pilot-manager is already packaged. In fact I've been using it for weeks already. griffon:~ dpkg --status pilot-manager Package: pilot-manager Status: install ok installed Installed-Size: 323 Maintainer: Darren Stalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Version: 1.106-0.1 Depends: perl, pilot-link-perl, perl-tk, data-dumper Recommends: pilot-link Suggests: plan Description: PalmPilot PIM, UI, and Conduit Manager PilotManager is a tool that allows you to synchronize databases on your 3Com PalmPilot with applications on your Unix platform. It is a full Hotsync daemon that is user extensible. Developers can write their own conduits to synchronize Pilot databases with the desktop application of their choice. griffon:~ Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ANNOUNCE: Debian NetWinder Porting Project
Jim Pick wrote: I'm helping to organize an effort to port Debian GNU/Linux to run on the new Corel NetWinder NCs ( http://www.corelcomputer.com/ ). On this note, Alan DeKok (one of the oclug people who has a Netwinder already, and was on the team of oclug members who helped Corel get the Netwinder working) has agreed to give all developpers on your team an account (and root priveledges) on his Netwinder. Just a few more details (installing ssh, etc) and he'll get back to me. I just thought that this might help people start sooner rather than wait for Netwinders from Corel. Let me know if this will be useful. Later, Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Corel Network Computer Port
Jim Pick wrote: Steve Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I bet we could brow-beat Corel into donating a few boxes. I heard they go as cheap as $300 US for a diskless configuration. It's all just rumors, I've heard nothing back from them. We might have to brow-beat them into selling boxes. You could also try touching base with the Ottawa-Carleton LUG. http://www.oclug.on.ca/ They're pretty plugged into Corel. That's a bit of an understatement. OCLUG provided the expertise and kernel knowledge to get the Netwinder out the door. I.e. Several OCLUG members were part of the team at Corel that got the Netwinder out the door. That's why Corel is being so nice to them and giving OCLUG people discounts, etc... We've got a few developers in Ottawa (Brian White, Behan Webster, ???) - we might be able to ask them to do some footwork if need be. They are only giving discounts to OCLUG members, but since I'm in OCLUG, I could probably approach the appropriate people to do some enquiries. I wouldn't hold your breath though. OCLUG is very RedHat based. As far as I know Corel Computer Corp is making a bank of Netwinders available to the net. You have to setup login permissions through OCLUG. I'll make some enquiries... How many developpers are we talking here? Last I heard they were looking for a few good hackers, especially kernel hackers. They still have kernel features that they would like to see implemented too. Maybe I'm opening a pandora's box here, but which Debian Developpers are interested in getting access to or buying a netwinder, etc? (Last I heard Corel is thinking of $1000 (CDN I think) per netwinder). Brian and I were at the Netwinder kick off at Carleton U when OCLUG announched Netwinder to the world. It is a nifty little box which is quite fast and _very_ feature-full. Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Corel Network Computer Port
Steve Dunham wrote: I'd like to see the Corel Computers used as generic cheap Linux Computers. They are reported to be fairly cheap, perform reasonably well and have lots of neat I/O features. (NTSC in/out, 2 ethernet ports.) The demo I saw seemed to show the Netwinder to be pretty fast. When/if they are ready and Corel doesn't want to sell them directly, someone like varesearch or linuxmall could be convinced to become resellers. (Or even Red Hat would be interesting...) Apparently they are talking to various OEM resellers (Point of sale, and quiosk systems mostly) right now, but I'm sure somebody like varesearch would make a mint selling them directly to the Linux community. Sign me up - I can come up with $1000 CDN no problem. I'm interested in buying one too. Are they actually selling them yet? No. But soon. They are only lending Netwinders to developpers in OCLUG right now, and supposedly setting up net connected Netwinders for now. Behan's message contains the seemingly contradictory statements that Corel has gotten them out the door and that they haven't even set a price yet. My appologies. I should have said made them available to certain developpers. They are only available to certain people right now. If software is the only remaining issue (i.e. hardware is finalized), I'd be happy with something that runs and can be bootstrapped off of the net, with a promise of the completed software on CD when it becomes available. This is indeed what I understand to be the thing that needs work. The hardware is finalized, but they are still working on the software support side. They are inlisting people from the local area (i.e. members of OCLUG to help them), but ultimately others as well. But don't listen to me. I have just received email from one of the guys on the Netwinder team. I'll forward it to the list. I also have an offer from one of Brian's friends (he was lent one of the Netwinders). He is willing to give a few people accounts on his Netwinder. He just has a few security concerns to address first (he's got to pick up a hub to connect the Netwinder to his 10base2 home network and then setup some firewall rules to protect the rest of his network). I'm not sure, but I might be able to talk him into giving a few people root access on it too. Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Corel Network Computer Port
Jim Pick wrote: Sign me up - I can come up with $1000 CDN no problem. Drat. Sorry. I just talked to one of the Netwinder developpers. It doesn't sound like they are selling the Netwinder yet. Even to developpers. Just lending them out. Although I get the feeling that they will start selling small quantities soon... I'll let you know if I find anything else out. Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Fwd: Debian Netwinders]
Looks like you guys can talk to Chris or San directly about Netwinder development if you wish. Later, Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ ---BeginMessage--- Greetings Behan; Nice to see you comming on board. Here are the offical contacts for you and all other Debian developers. Registration at www.netwinder.org Equipement: me or San Mehat at Corel Computer me: Chris Herrnberger tel 613 230 7892, [EMAIL PROTECTED] them: San Mehat Corel Computer: tel: 613 788 6000 6165, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corel is running a discount program on equipement for exactly this reason. We from OCLUG are organizing the distribution and development program in conjuction with Corel OCLUG: Francis Pinteric: software ports and apps [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrew E Mileski: kernal and xwindows [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corel San Mehat as above These email addresses are just in case you get no response or as fast as you would like. We are here to help, Pls do use the netwinder news listing though for general comments and questions etc. Again; Thanks for your interest and support Chris Herrnberger OCLUG OSC-CCC Netwinder Dev Project Founder and Project Manager ---End Message---
Re: corel porting apps to linux
G John Lapeyre wrote: Does anyone know if something official is released? I have only seen the irc transcript on slashdot. I was at the meeting last night when they announced the netwinder. They said all the tools to develop on the Netwinder were GPL'ed and will be released soon. They didn't give a schedule, but since they were talking about a matter of weeks before Netwinders would be available to developpers, I suspect that the developping tools will be coming soon too. Very cool. Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blender
Darn. I downloaded blender today, but it needs a libc5 version of mesa 2.6 and libjpeg. So it doesn't work on my stock hamm system 8(. I wrote to the people at Blender and asked about a libc6 version, and what license they were going to release it under (pointing them to the DFSG of course), I and I just got a reply! Ton Roosendaal wrote: Thanks for your message. The current Linux version of Blender has troubles with newer libc's. We are working at it. I think we'll release a version with the old libc static linked. I am very excited by the idea of GPL'ing our source codes. But we are not ready for it now. I'll check out the debian site! Yippee! btw, you can download the Blender at: http://www.neogeo.nl/loadlinux.html Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PGP signers in Waterloo or Montreal?
Avery Pennarun wrote: If any registered developers are near Waterloo, Ontario or Montreal, Quebec I would appreciate it if you could help me out by meeting me in person to sign my key. If you can make it up to Ottawa, Brian White or myself would be able to sign your key for you. Later, Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Future security problem (was Re: be careful with Replaces, please)
Brandon Mitchell wrote: I can see a security problem with this. Lets jump ahead several months when we have deity working. A user points deity to several sites, some providing a bunch of debs that they have created but don't want to be part of the main distribution. Now they upload a new package, call it libc6-big version number that replaces all kinds of packages, and whatever else they want to do. Most of you will dismiss this as they deserved what they got at this point, but I think we should start worrying about these possibilities. How about prompting the user before deleting a package because it was replaced (of course we need to think about non-interactive installations too). I'd also be interested in some kind of verification, so I can accept all packages put together by some maintainer, and the maintainers on the debian keyring, but no one else. This is indeed a problem! You will find that the deity design already addresses this problem in the following ways 1) One option the user has is to display (most of) the package's headers (Replaces being one of them) in a tabbed window on the selection screen. If the user cares to, they can see what the package will replace if installed. 2) More importantly, deity has a verification phase where all packages to be installed/deleted/replaced/whatever, are shown to the user. The user has a chance to see what exactly is going to happen before they press the OK button. Is that sufficient? Behan (UI designer for the Deity project) -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Package priorities and dependencies.
Martin Alonso Soto Jacome wrote: If you think about it, there's really no reason to select a shared library package by hand; if you want a binary that uses it, it'll depend on it; if you want to build against it, you install the -dev package (which depends on it). The only time you really want to select it by hand is when another package had faulty dependencies, or when you're installing a non .deb'ed binary. Agree again. Shared libraries (and even other support packages like, for example, those containing run time programs needed by libraries) could be selected in a totally automatic fashion. Even more, I don't think it's necessary that the user takes care of dependency problems directly. We should allow users to make a basically arbitrary selection of packages without signaling any conflict problems, and let dpkg automatically determine which packages are needed for the selections to run, and in Have the Deity guys considered something along these lines? We have indeed. In fact what you describe above is pretty much what I have specified for that part of the deity UI. Behan Webster (Deity User Interface designer) -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Email to bcwhite@verisim.com or behanw@verisim.com
Due to some unscheduled downtime here at Verisim, Brian White and I have not been available through email (or indeed in anyway electronic) since Saturday noon. Things are now back to normal though and we're all ploughing through our respective backlogs of email. If you have sent email to one of the lists asking a question of Brian (or myself) or have sent email to either of us at verisim.com, please resend it if you don't get a reply by Friday. Considering our backlog we very well might delete it by mistake. Just in case any one's interested, our main internet server had a 4M Simm (30-pin) go bad (meaning the entire bank was dead) coupled with its main drive deciding it didn't want to spin up anymore. *sigh* I'm just glad I had a recent backup (Thanks afio/tob!) Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Consultants list for Debian GNU/Linux
Behan Webster wrote: I've just volunteered to maintain the list of consultants wanting to offer paid support to people running debian systems. I am unaware of anyone else currently doing so. If someone is already doing such, please contact me. Once this list is assembled, it will be put on both the debian web site and be added to the Debian 1.3 CD image that is to be distributed. If you wish to be listed as a Debian third-party consultant, please email me the following information: - Your name - Your address (city and country is all that's necessary) - Your email address - Your phone number (International phone number(1) please) - Your fax number (International phone number(1) please) - Url to your web page - Fees, charges, rates, terms, etc. (1) By International phone number, I mean a phone number that can be used to reach you from any country. For example, my phone number would be: +1-613-224-7547 I forgot to mention, please list your consultant fees in both US dollars and your local currency. (of course, if you are based in the US, listing your fees only in US dollars is sufficient. 8) ) Wow. I've already received a reply since I sent my last post! 8) Thanks, Behan Webster (Debian Consultant list maintainer) -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: base-files does not create /usr/local directories
Brian White wrote: In fact, as part of the Deity project, I'd like to do something a little more elaborate. I'd like to be able to remove or change any arbitrary path. (This was originally Behan's idea, actually.) To be completely fair, it's actually a combination of several people's ideas put together with a few of my own. I'm afraid I don't remember all their names. Suffice it to say that several people posted ideas similar to this when the deity project asked for features. By-the-way, I've been meaning to say, thank you to everyone who requested features and posted their ideas for deity. I cannot guarantee that every idea will be included... But I can guarantee that we are considering all ideas seriously, and trying to do our best to incorporate enough of these to create a program which is both easy to use and powerful enough to satisfy the debian community. Thanks again, Behan Webster (User interface designer for the deity project) -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 224-7547http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Bug#4493: Installing perl
Package: perl Version: 5.003-2 This is what happened when I installed perl. --- % dpkg --install /debian/rex/binary-i386/devel/perl_5.003-2.deb (Reading database ... 7339 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace perl 5.003-2 (using .../devel/perl_5.003-2.deb) ... Unpacking replacement perl ... Setting up perl (5.003-2) ... Creating Perl header files. This may take a while... If possible, you should use Socket and/or some of the other modules. h2ph has always been somewhat broken. fgrep: wait.ph: No such file or directory Found 0 occurances of '* ' where I expected 1. Please report this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please see/usr/doc/debian-0.93/bug-reporting.txt for instructions. Done. You can re-run this script at any time as 'perlconfig'. You should do this any time you install new header files in /usr/include. % --- Hope this helps, Behan Webster
