Re: Funding for a Crazy Idea
Hello Craig, I would guess that you are one of Aaron Sloman's students from the University of Birmingham in the UK. Am I right? My comment about NATO having improved was in respect of their previous treatment of countries like Portugal, Greece and Turkey as sensitive areas. My reservations about looking for funds from NATO were that many people might not like to associate Debian in any way with a largely military organisation. However NATO is actually a treaty organisation with a lot of none military activities. Promoting peace and stability is supposed to be one of their main activities - which they do by promoting peaceful projects between many different countries. As to the horrific circumstances in the Balkan states, I do not believe that any sensible person would take sides. The activities on all sides were appalling. They were all entirely due to hot-headed politicians on all sides spouting hatred in the same way you have done in your e-mail to me. If more people cooled their heads and stopped listening to crazy politicians, we could have world peace. If Debian can turn some of NATOs funds to good purpose - promoting a vast international project of cooperation - then this would be a great victory for Peace. Best wishes, Helen McCall E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 01752 342675 Fax: 08700 525850 --- On 25 Sep 1999, Craig Brozefsky wrote: Date: 25 Sep 1999 12:31:52 -0700 From: Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Helen McCall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Funding for a Crazy Idea Helen McCall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have just been looking at the NATO web site, and they appear to have changed for the better in recent years. Now they make no reference to sensitive areas. Their science and technology programmes are now more generally aimed at promoting world peace! Uhm, they did just bomb Yugoslavia into the stone age, and basically force an occupation of Kosovo, failed to disarm the KLA, and are now just handing over the horrible mess THEY made in the region to the U.N. right as winter sets in. To top it all off the continental European partners are none to pleased with the U.S. and it's lapdog the U.K. and many see NATO as a brain-dead buearocracy just about to go into death throes as the alliance falls apart. The idea that NATO is all about world peace is ludicrous. You'd have to be willingly blind to nearly everything they have ever done in order to actually believe that bit of propoganda. Are you so out of it that you believe a website more than history? I hope that Debian does not resort to begging bald-faced lying war powers for cash. -- Craig Brozefsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Scheme/Lisp Software http://www.red-bean.com/~craig riot shields. voodoo economics. its just business. cattle prods and the IMF. - Radiohead, OK Computer, Electioneering
Re: Aaron Sloman
Hello Craig, On 25 Sep 1999, Craig Brozefsky wrote: For the record, I am not a student of Aaron Sloman, but have helped him a bit with the Free Poplog release, contributed a few fixes, and talk with him via email on occasion. I never went to college and work professionally as a software developer, mostly with Free Software. Did you do google search or something to get that impression, or are my poitics that close to his? Every single flame I have received over the last ten years has been from someone connected with Aaron Sloman. These flames have been on numerous and diverse subjects. Whether this is just some amazing coincidence, or that Aaron Sloman is just an appalling influence on everyone around him, I do not know! I long ago decided that he is a person whom I would never want to know. When I read your flame, the name Aaron Sloman just popped into my head! :-( I believe that Aaron Sloman is actually a Psychologist. If this is true, has he been conducting some dreadful experiment in conditioning people to show hatred and intolerance? Best wishes, Helen McCall E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 01752 342675 Fax: 08700 525850 ---
Re: Funding for a Crazy Idea
Hello again Joey, On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Helen McCall wrote: In the meanwhile; If you are prepared to accept funding from such a source, there is always NATO. They fund many such things if they are giving good participation to what NATO calls Sensitive Areas. Weird. Yes! That is what I thought some years ago when I first learnt of this. I have just been looking at the NATO web site, and they appear to have changed for the better in recent years. Now they make no reference to sensitive areas. Their science and technology programmes are now more generally aimed at promoting world peace! The NATO website can be found here: http://www.nato.int/science/cst.htm It looks very promising. I read through a lot of the details and it may be that a conference/workshop on the development of Debian Gnu/Linux and Debian Gnu/Hurd fits into the NATO guidelines. You would need to organise it as an Advanced Research Workshop (ARW). There is scope in the guidelines for projects doing technical development of existing operating systems like Debian. You need to read through all the documentation carefully. One part of the documentation, preparing the actual application for an ARW, may be found in the following PDF file: http://www.nato.int/science/bestpractice/arw.pdf Such areas include Portugal, Greece, Turkey, etc. Do you have any developers in these countries? A full list of such countries can be obtained from the NATO web site (forgotten the address). I'd be surprised if we don't, but I don't really know offhand. Anyone? What is needed is for someone to compile a list of all Debian Developers and their geographical addresses. This is something you have said yourself before. Volunteers? Best wishes, Helen McCall E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 01752 342675 Fax: 08700 525850 ---
Funding for a Crazy Idea
Hello Joey, With reference to your Crazy Idea: I am not a developer, but I do have good experience obtaining funding for things like this. I will give it some thought and let you know the ideas I come up with for funding. In the meanwhile; If you are prepared to accept funding from such a source, there is always NATO. They fund many such things if they are giving good participation to what NATO calls Sensitive Areas. Such areas include Portugal, Greece, Turkey, etc. Do you have any developers in these countries? A full list of such countries can be obtained from the NATO web site (forgotten the address). Another source of funding for conferences is UNESCO. Also some countries such as France often have government bodies which will fund conferences in their country on subjects of interest to that department. Which makes me think of France Telecom using Debian! Be in touch soon. Helen McCall E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 01752 342675 Fax: 08700 525850 ---
