RE: Intel Atom Processor
So I guess that you were perferctly right to mention all these things together (UNR, Moblin, lpia...). My personal view was a strict split with Moblin providing upstream software (Midbrowser, Moblin Image Creator, Mobile Basic Flash etc.), lpia being a dpkg arch, and UNR a bunch of packages. Thanks for sharing the information. So what is the conclusion on this? I apologize if this has already been answered by someone - I am new to this list and hence I may fail to understand the way things work here. For now should we just keep track of the EeePC? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Status I know the entire Debian community is now busy pushing out Lenny (Wooh!!! - I am waiting for it too :D), but is there any plan to have something like what Ubuntu Net Remix (UNR)? Thank you all for your time. Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:11:31 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Intel Atom Processor On Tue, Jul 22, 2008, Kushal Koolwal wrote: The Ubuntu Netbook Remix (UNR) effort is one to provide a good desktop experience on subnotebooks / UMPCs by using a different desktop representation of the same apps. Hmm..I think the following text confused me from this website: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/netbook-remix Ubuntu Netbook Remix leverages Moblin technologies optimized for the Intel Atom processor. Intel and Canonical are working to create a next generation computing experience across a new category of affordable Internet-centric, portable devices; including Mobile Internet Devices (MIDs), netbooks, nettops and embedded devices based on Intel Atom processor technology. I thought the Ubuntu Netbook Remix is result of moblin technologies After reading the above page, I was confused as well and poked Pete Goodall on this topic; he explained that UNR is built in its ppa for both i386 and lpia, that there are no downloadable Ubuntu Desktop images for lpia, so it's likely that UNR is only used under i386 for now, but work is in progress to provide lpia based UNR installs. The Moblin references are meant for the lpia binaries, as Moblin is a set of components targeted for Intel Atom, so the lpia concept is a Moblin one, he clarified. So I guess that you were perferctly right to mention all these things together (UNR, Moblin, lpia...). My personal view was a strict split with Moblin providing upstream software (Midbrowser, Moblin Image Creator, Mobile Basic Flash etc.), lpia being a dpkg arch, and UNR a bunch of packages. -- Loïc Minier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intel Atom Processor
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:35:46 -0700 Kushal Koolwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For now should we just keep track of the EeePC? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Status I can't answer the big picture questions you're asking. As for the Eee stuff, expect on d-d-a a new Bits from the Debian Eee PC Team from me Real Soon Now. Ben -- ,-. nSLUGhttp://www.nslug.ns.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] \`' Debian http://www.debian.org[EMAIL PROTECTED] ` [ gpg 395C F3A4 35D3 D247 1387 2D9E 5A94 F3CA 0B27 13C8 ] [ pgp 7F DA 09 4B BA 2C 0D E0 1B B1 31 ED C6 A9 39 4F ] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intel Atom Processor
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008, Kushal Koolwal wrote: The Ubuntu Netbook Remix (UNR) effort is one to provide a good desktop experience on subnotebooks / UMPCs by using a different desktop representation of the same apps. Hmm..I think the following text confused me from this website: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/netbook-remix Ubuntu Netbook Remix leverages Moblin technologies optimized for the Intel Atom processor. Intel and Canonical are working to create a next generation computing experience across a new category of affordable Internet-centric, portable devices; including Mobile Internet Devices (MIDs), netbooks, nettops and embedded devices based on Intel Atom processor technology. I thought the Ubuntu Netbook Remix is result of moblin technologies After reading the above page, I was confused as well and poked Pete Goodall on this topic; he explained that UNR is built in its ppa for both i386 and lpia, that there are no downloadable Ubuntu Desktop images for lpia, so it's likely that UNR is only used under i386 for now, but work is in progress to provide lpia based UNR installs. The Moblin references are meant for the lpia binaries, as Moblin is a set of components targeted for Intel Atom, so the lpia concept is a Moblin one, he clarified. So I guess that you were perferctly right to mention all these things together (UNR, Moblin, lpia...). My personal view was a strict split with Moblin providing upstream software (Midbrowser, Moblin Image Creator, Mobile Basic Flash etc.), lpia being a dpkg arch, and UNR a bunch of packages. -- Loïc Minier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intel Atom Processor
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:29:48 +0200 Steffen Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: many thanks for your reply. Your web sites are indeed what I wanted to see, possibly a bit too far away from John Doe who just bought such a machine as a Newbie Linux user, Naturally. The site is made by and for those (both developers and users) who want to go a step beyond just using a pre-installed Linux distribution. Serving the newbie community first would be a thoroughly exhausting enterprise. We would never make progress with the key areas in which Debian needs to be improved to fully support the Eee if we made that our focus. And even if we took the task on, the wiki would be the wrong starting point. That being said, we do welcome and try to assist newbies in any way that we can, given our limited resources. but nevertheless, I particularly liked the status page on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Status. Thanks. We recognized that we weren't effectively communicating to people new to the project what we had accomplished and where we were headed. Even so, the status page doesn't go far enough to clear things up. The whole wiki (as wikis have a tendency to do) has grown in a sort of haphazard way and needs some straightening up. Your site has no visibility to anyone in the shop who needs to make an informed decision about whether taking the risk to go for the XP route (which that guy probably knows well) and the Linux route (which saves some cash but gives you the impression to be alone). Sales of the Linux version are reportedly going sufficiently well to keep it in the shop, but they are selling far more Windows machines. The wiki is probably not the best way to get this message across. It's a convenient place to keep notes of use to developers and advanced users, but is not so good for advocacy/marketing. I'll translate that status page to German tonight since I liked it. Thanks for your translation. Please keep it up. :) Also will I then use some scribus or LaTeX magic to transform that page into a flyer that, if you agree to it, I will then carry to the local stores and just see what they say. Those stores will fight a lot not give the impression that they would do support themselves, so I need to think about the right wording here. I'll do that both in English and German, should not be too hard. I think the Status page needs some updates first. Perhaps such a flyer could be the seed of a proper site. Something along the lines of: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ Such a site might best be hosted at http://www.debian.org/devel/ where it can be supported in multiple languages. But I feel it is early in the project, yet, to be putting energy into this. Let's start with the code, ensuring that we have a more newbie-friendly install process. At the same time, the wiki needs more work to give it more coherence. And then we can think about building a more carefully crafted site that does not change quite so often as the wiki and serves as a better starting point for the uninitiated. Ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear Ben and dear Jose, Ben Armstrong wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:09:57 +0200 Steffen Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The EeePCs are sold throughout large resellers (Saturn, Staples, ...) in Germany and at least until the new ones get out they all ship with Debian - perfectly visible to every potential customer passing by. I have not seen Debian or Linux on any product before in these shops. So, I really think that for the perception of Debian (and Linux at large) it would be good if there was some initiative that gives Debian on these machines some backup. You are aware of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC I hope? (Aha, I see it has already been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, good.) many thanks for your reply. Your web sites are indeed what I wanted to see, possibly a bit too far away from John Doe who just bought such a machine as a Newbie Linux user, but nevertheless, I particularly liked the status page on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Status. Your site has no visibility to anyone in the shop who needs to make an informed decision about whether taking the risk to go for the XP route (which that guy probably knows well) and the Linux route (which saves some cash but gives you the impression to be alone). Sales of the Linux version are reportedly going sufficiently well to keep it in the shop, but they are selling far more Windows machines. We take a very practical, bottom-up approach. Get Debian working well on one platform, the Eee PC. Then make things as general as possible and support it as quickly as possible in Debian itself. I think if you start top down: let's tackle the problem of making Debian well supported on this whole class of systems, a laudable goal, mind you, then you will very quickly bog down in the execution unless you have resources that go beyond what we currently have in the debian-eeepc project. So what do you think you could do particularly with regards to the Eee to see it on these systems in shops? We've talked a bit to Asus and they've even assigned some people to talk to Debian about development for the Eee. But I'm afraid so far our focus has been very much on just getting Lenny out the door with solid support for the Eee and not so much on these bigger-picture issues. I'll translate that status page to German tonight since I liked it. Also will I then use some scribus or LaTeX magic to transform that page into a flyer that, if you agree to it, I will then carry to the local stores and just see what they say. Those stores will fight a lot not give the impression that they would do support themselves, so I need to think about the right wording here. I'll do that both in English and German, should not be too hard. Best, Steffen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intel Atom Processor
Kushal Koolwal wrote: I got your point, you mean we(group of debian) should make a blueprint for some Device like Netbook / UMPC / MIDs. Yes. Exactly! what is your blueprint based debian like? At this point of time I am not sure what is going to look like. May be it will help me if you can tell me what exactly do you mean by it. I apologize for my unfamiliarity with some of the terms. maybe we can start a project named mobian (mobile debian) ? Yes this would be awesome. This will bring Debian up to the speed of likes of Ubuntu. I would be happy to assist in this with whatever knowledge and skills I have. Thanks for effort and initiative. The EeePCs are sold throughout large resellers (Saturn, Staples, ...) in Germany and at least until the new ones get out they all ship with Debian - perfectly visible to every potential customer passing by. I have not seen Debian or Linux on any product before in these shops. So, I really think that for the perception of Debian (and Linux at large) it would be good if there was some initiative that gives Debian on these machines some backup. To have a connected user base itself would already be a plus. Some flyer to print out would be good that points to this community site so we can put such next to these machines in the shop. And Asus would probably help to get this across to their customers, too. People would then learn how to submit bug reports and get some indication of what software to install. Even the software that is distributed with the EeePC and that is on display in the store is not fully usable, for instance try to change the your coordinates in Celestia, the dialog of which is beyond the screen size. Would an alioth project and pages on wiki.d.o be sufficient? Best, Steffen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Steffen Moeller wrote:
Kushal Koolwal wrote:
I got your point, you mean we(group of debian) should make a blueprint for
some Device like Netbook / UMPC / MIDs.
Yes. Exactly!
what is your blueprint based debian like?
At this point of time I am not sure what is going to look like. May be it
will help me if you can tell me what exactly do you mean by it. I apologize
for my unfamiliarity with some of the terms.
maybe we can start a project named mobian (mobile debian) ?
Yes this would be awesome. This will bring Debian up to the speed of likes
of Ubuntu. I would be happy to assist in this with whatever knowledge and
skills I have.
Thanks for effort and initiative.
The EeePCs are sold throughout large resellers (Saturn, Staples, ...) in
Germany and at least until the new ones get out they all ship with
Debian - perfectly visible to every potential customer passing by. I have not
seen Debian or Linux on any product before in these shops. So, I
really think that for the perception of Debian (and Linux at large) it would
be good if there was some initiative that gives Debian on these
machines some backup.
To have a connected user base itself would already be a plus. Some flyer to
print out would be good that points to this community site so we can
put such next to these machines in the shop. And Asus would probably help to
get this across to their customers, too. People would then learn
how to submit bug reports and get some indication of what software to
install. Even the software that is distributed with the EeePC and that
is on display in the store is not fully usable, for instance try to change
the your coordinates in Celestia, the dialog of which is beyond the
screen size. Would an alioth project and pages on wiki.d.o be sufficient?
Best,
Steffen
You mean like these ones:
http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-eeepc
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC
I don't think that works as you said since this group exists since 2007...
Regards.
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Re: Intel Atom Processor
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:09:57 +0200 Steffen Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The EeePCs are sold throughout large resellers (Saturn, Staples, ...) in Germany and at least until the new ones get out they all ship with Debian - perfectly visible to every potential customer passing by. I have not seen Debian or Linux on any product before in these shops. So, I really think that for the perception of Debian (and Linux at large) it would be good if there was some initiative that gives Debian on these machines some backup. You are aware of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC I hope? (Aha, I see it has already been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, good.) We take a very practical, bottom-up approach. Get Debian working well on one platform, the Eee PC. Then make things as general as possible and support it as quickly as possible in Debian itself. I think if you start top down: let's tackle the problem of making Debian well supported on this whole class of systems, a laudable goal, mind you, then you will very quickly bog down in the execution unless you have resources that go beyond what we currently have in the debian-eeepc project. So what do you think you could do particularly with regards to the Eee to see it on these systems in shops? We've talked a bit to Asus and they've even assigned some people to talk to Debian about development for the Eee. But I'm afraid so far our focus has been very much on just getting Lenny out the door with solid support for the Eee and not so much on these bigger-picture issues. Ben -- ,-. nSLUGhttp://www.nslug.ns.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] \`' Debian http://www.debian.org[EMAIL PROTECTED] ` [ gpg 395C F3A4 35D3 D247 1387 2D9E 5A94 F3CA 0B27 13C8 ] [ pgp 7F DA 09 4B BA 2C 0D E0 1B B1 31 ED C6 A9 39 4F ] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 22/07/08 at 17:58 +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Yeah, great idea! Let's start Debian subdistros for every specific use one can think of. This whole universal operating system idea is so old. What about gebian, kebian, xebian? Would it be wrong to ship different flavors of the Debian CDs based on various upstream software? Debian has tons of text editors, window managers, web browsers, desktop environments; the Debian archive is universally useful, but I'm sure there's interest in tailored Debian CDs/DVDs for various use cases. Sure, that's would be fine (even if I'm not sure if that's really useful -- it might be better to provide simple tools enabling people to build their own CDs with the software they care about, like what openSUSE is doing). What I'm saying is that we really don't need to name each of those CDs differently, leading people to believe that Gebian, Kebian and Xebian are different distributions, when only the set of packages installed by default is changing. -- | Lucas Nussbaum | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/ | | jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: 1024D/023B3F4F | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Loïc Minier wrote: Would it be wrong to ship different flavors of the Debian CDs based on various upstream software? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-kde-CD-1.iso http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: Intel Atom Processor
The atom seem to be x86-compatible. so what is the issue that would stop it from any i386-based Debian package? That's true. But it seems that these processors are low power and are made for Ultra mobile PC (UMPC) and netbooks and to take advantage of this the applications need to be optimized/ported to take advantages that this processor has to offer. For example, Ubuntu started the netbook-remix program to port applications for Intel Atom processors based on the Intel's moblin project (http://www.moblin.org/). https://edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix And therefore I was wondering if Debian community is planning to have something like this. Thank you once again for your time. Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:06:47 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Intel Atom Processor On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:31:23AM -0700, Kushal Koolwal wrote: Hello, First of all I apologize if this question is not appropriate for this mailing list. I scanned the entire Debian Mailing Lists and I thought this might be the most appropriate. If it is not then please direct me to the correct one. Now the question: I was wondering if there is any development amongst the Debian community with regards to supporting Intel's latest low power Atom processor which will be mostly used in UMPC (Ultra mobile PC). http://www.intel.com/technology/atom/index.htm While researching over this on the Internet I came across the following website which mentions about Ubuntu having some sort of support for this processor. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-remix.html And therefore I was thinking if Debian Project is planning to natively support these? Thank you in advance. Kushal The atom seem to be x86-compatible. so what is the issue that would stop it from any i386-based debian package? -K -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System | go to counter.li.org and | | `- http://www.debian.org/ | be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |___ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed ___| _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Kushal Koolwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, Ubuntu started the netbook-remix program to port applications for Intel Atom processors based on the Intel's moblin project (http://www.moblin.org/). https://edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix None of the packages there look like they have anything to do with the CPU, they seem to be basically ways to work with smaller screens of low resolution. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I got your point, you mean we(group of debian) should make a blueprint for some Device like Netbook / UMPC / MIDs. Yes. Exactly! what is your blueprint based debian like? At this point of time I am not sure what is going to look like. May be it will help me if you can tell me what exactly do you mean by it. I apologize for my unfamiliarity with some of the terms. maybe we can start a project named mobian (mobile debian) ? Yes this would be awesome. This will bring Debian up to the speed of likes of Ubuntu. I would be happy to assist in this with whatever knowledge and skills I have. Thanks for effort and initiative. Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:30:37 +0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Intel Atom Processor Hmm. I got your point, you mean we(group of debian) should make a blueprint for some Device like Netbook / UMPC / MIDs. what is your blueprint based debian like? maybe we can start a project named mobian (mobile debian) ? On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Kushal Koolwal wrote: The atom seem to be x86-compatible. so what is the issue that would stop it from any i386-based Debian package? That's true. But it seems that these processors are low power and are made for Ultra mobile PC (UMPC) and netbooks and to take advantage of this the applications need to be optimized/ported to take advantages that this processor has to offer. For example, Ubuntu started the netbook-remix program to port applications for Intel Atom processors based on the Intel's moblin project (http://www.moblin.org/). https://edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix And therefore I was wondering if Debian community is planning to have something like this. Thank you once again for your time. Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:06:47 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Intel Atom Processor On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:31:23AM -0700, Kushal Koolwal wrote: Hello, First of all I apologize if this question is not appropriate for this mailing list. I scanned the entire Debian Mailing Lists and I thought this might be the most appropriate. If it is not then please direct me to the correct one. Now the question: I was wondering if there is any development amongst the Debian community with regards to supporting Intel's latest low power Atom processor which will be mostly used in UMPC (Ultra mobile PC). http://www.intel.com/technology/atom/index.htm While researching over this on the Internet I came across the following website which mentions about Ubuntu having some sort of support for this processor. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-remix.html And therefore I was thinking if Debian Project is planning to natively support these? Thank you in advance. Kushal The atom seem to be x86-compatible. so what is the issue that would stop it from any i386-based debian package? -K -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System | go to counter.li.org and | | `- http://www.debian.org/ | be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |___ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed ___| _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 滕召智 (Ben teng) Tel: (010) 51660659 - 809 Cell: 13381221392 Fax: (010) 59792018 (0512) 62533261 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: freet15 _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 22/07/08 at 01:23 -0700, Kushal Koolwal wrote: maybe we can start a project named mobian (mobile debian) ? Yes this would be awesome. This will bring Debian up to the speed of likes of Ubuntu. I would be happy to assist in this with whatever knowledge and skills I have. Yeah, great idea! Let's start Debian subdistros for every specific use one can think of. This whole universal operating system idea is so old. What about gebian, kebian, xebian? Seriously, it would be more interesting to determine what would need to be changed in Debian to improve support for such devices. AFAIK (and according to [1]), Ubuntu's lpia port is only about compiling packages using different optimization options. [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/247003/ -- | Lucas Nussbaum | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/ | | jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: 1024D/023B3F4F | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:31 AM, Kushal Koolwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And therefore I was thinking if Debian Project is planning to natively support these? I noticed this page being created on the wiki recently: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne Looks like at least one person plans to work on it in some way. Since it is just x86, the i386 port would probably work fine on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverthorne_(CPU) I might be wrong but I thought the atom CPU would add 64bit support. As such the Debian amd64 port should work as well. Then, for better optimization for low disk/memory systems, the emdebian project would be the right place. Currently the project is quite arm centered as most hardware uses that, esspecially those the devlopers have. But mips is also a target and I'm personally interested in supporting i386 for my VIA Eden gateway/fileserver and amd64 for netboot rescue images. MfG Goswin PS: The best way to get it supported is to sponsor the hardware or to talk someone else into sponsoring it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 03:03:27PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I might be wrong but I thought the atom CPU would add 64bit support. As such the Debian amd64 port should work as well. According to Wikipedia and the linked Intel sheets, only the desktop version has 64-bit support. Gabor -- - MTA SZTAKI Computer and Automation Research Institute Hungarian Academy of Sciences - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intel Atom Processor
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008, Kushal Koolwal wrote: The atom seem to be x86-compatible. so what is the issue that would stop it from any i386-based Debian package? That's true. But it seems that these processors are low power and are made for Ultra mobile PC (UMPC) and netbooks and to take advantage of this the applications need to be optimized/ported to take advantages that this processor has to offer. For example, Ubuntu started the netbook-remix program to port applications for Intel Atom processors based on the Intel's moblin project (http://www.moblin.org/). https://edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix Hmm you're mixing many different things here. The Ubuntu Netbook Remix (UNR) effort is one to provide a good desktop experience on subnotebooks / UMPCs by using a different desktop representation of the same apps. moblin 1.0 is an effort to provide new software for Mobile Internet Devices (MIDs); small screens too, but importantly *touchscreen* based, and even smaller form factor. In 1.0, moblin software runs atop the Hildon stack, the Gtk+-based toolkit developped by Nokia for its MID series. Ubuntu's project to support Intel Atom processors takes the form of the lpia dpkg architecture which is basically like x86, but with different optimizations. Also, this architecture has been used to enable Hildon or MID specific changes / patches / configs / hacks. moblin software is being packaged in Ubuntu. I'm not sure UNR landed in Ubuntu proper for now. I think current UNR images are only i386 based (not lpia). Ubuntu Mobile / Ubuntu MID images are only lpia. -- Loïc Minier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intel Atom Processor
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Yeah, great idea! Let's start Debian subdistros for every specific use one can think of. This whole universal operating system idea is so old. What about gebian, kebian, xebian? Would it be wrong to ship different flavors of the Debian CDs based on various upstream software? Debian has tons of text editors, window managers, web browsers, desktop environments; the Debian archive is universally useful, but I'm sure there's interest in tailored Debian CDs/DVDs for various use cases. Seriously, it would be more interesting to determine what would need to be changed in Debian to improve support for such devices. AFAIK (and according to [1]), Ubuntu's lpia port is only about compiling packages using different optimization options. [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/247003/ Actually, some configure flags, features, options etc. are enabled / tuned differently if the dpkg architecture equals lpia -- not terribly nice though. For instance, cheese is built with --enable-hildon on lpia and only there. A nicer way to handle this is to build packages twice, see for instance dates versus dates-hildon. This isn't very practical though. Ideally, packages would provide their UI as runtime plugins split across separate binary packages, but we're far from a perfect world here. -- Loïc Minier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Intel Atom Processor
The Ubuntu Netbook Remix (UNR) effort is one to provide a good desktop experience on subnotebooks / UMPCs by using a different desktop representation of the same apps. Hmm..I think the following text confused me from this website: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/netbook-remix Ubuntu Netbook Remix leverages Moblin technologies optimized for the Intel Atom processor. Intel and Canonical are working to create a next generation computing experience across a new category of affordable Internet-centric, portable devices; including Mobile Internet Devices (MIDs), netbooks, nettops and embedded devices based on Intel Atom processor technology. I thought the Ubuntu Netbook Remix is result of moblin technologies Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:51:35 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Intel Atom Processor On Mon, Jul 21, 2008, Kushal Koolwal wrote: The atom seem to be x86-compatible. so what is the issue that would stop it from any i386-based Debian package? That's true. But it seems that these processors are low power and are made for Ultra mobile PC (UMPC) and netbooks and to take advantage of this the applications need to be optimized/ported to take advantages that this processor has to offer. For example, Ubuntu started the netbook-remix program to port applications for Intel Atom processors based on the Intel's moblin project (http://www.moblin.org/). https://edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix Hmm you're mixing many different things here. The Ubuntu Netbook Remix (UNR) effort is one to provide a good desktop experience on subnotebooks / UMPCs by using a different desktop representation of the same apps. moblin 1.0 is an effort to provide new software for Mobile Internet Devices (MIDs); small screens too, but importantly *touchscreen* based, and even smaller form factor. In 1.0, moblin software runs atop the Hildon stack, the Gtk+-based toolkit developped by Nokia for its MID series. Ubuntu's project to support Intel Atom processors takes the form of the lpia dpkg architecture which is basically like x86, but with different optimizations. Also, this architecture has been used to enable Hildon or MID specific changes / patches / configs / hacks. moblin software is being packaged in Ubuntu. I'm not sure UNR landed in Ubuntu proper for now. I think current UNR images are only i386 based (not lpia). Ubuntu Mobile / Ubuntu MID images are only lpia. -- Loïc Minier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intel Atom Processor
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:31 AM, Kushal Koolwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And therefore I was thinking if Debian Project is planning to natively support these? I noticed this page being created on the wiki recently: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne Looks like at least one person plans to work on it in some way. Since it is just x86, the i386 port would probably work fine on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverthorne_(CPU) -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
