Re: Re: Removal of Wheezy and Jessie (except LTS) from mirrors

2019-04-23 Thread Ben Hutchings
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On Tue, 2019-04-23 at 08:54 +, Michael Firth wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It would be useful if there were information somewhere on the
> following for Debian Jessie LTS architectures:
> 
> 
>   1.  What should we be using as our source.list file?

The same as before, minus jessie-backports if you used that.

>   2.  Which of the jessie repositories that existed until mid-March
> have now gone? (from a release that is supposed to still have some
> support for another year)

None of them.  jessie-updates was mistakenly removed and has now been
restored as an empty suite.

>   3.  What happens / happened to packages where the latest version
> was in those repositories? (in particular packages that were from the
> "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main" line or
> equivalent on other mirrors)

There weren't any newer versions in jessie-updates.

> It does seem a little unfair to EOL and delete repositories from a
> release that is supposed to be LTS with virtually no notice it was
> happening.
> 
> And just saying "we're removing this stuff", without giving any
> guidance on what LTS users should / need to do is rather unhelpful.

I think the intent was that you would not need to do anything, so that
no guidance was needed.  Obviously that didn't quite work out as the
removal of jessie-updates resulted in error messages.  In future, the
-updates suite will not be removed until end of LTS.

As for jessie-backports, the removal was announced in July 2018.

Ben.

> OK, I am a little late to pick up on this, but I'm sure there are
> other people still running some Jessie systems who only run update
> commands on them every month or so.
-- 
Ben Hutchings
Horngren's Observation:
  Among economists, the real world is often a special case.




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Re: Re: Removal of Wheezy and Jessie (except LTS) from mirrors

2019-04-23 Thread Ben Hutchings
[Redirecting to debian-lts list]

On Tue, 2019-04-23 at 08:54 +, Michael Firth wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It would be useful if there were information somewhere on the
> following for Debian Jessie LTS architectures:
> 
> 
>   1.  What should we be using as our source.list file?

The same as before, minus jessie-backports if you used that.

>   2.  Which of the jessie repositories that existed until mid-March
> have now gone? (from a release that is supposed to still have some
> support for another year)

None of them.  jessie-updates was mistakenly removed and has now been
restored as an empty suite.

>   3.  What happens / happened to packages where the latest version
> was in those repositories? (in particular packages that were from the
> "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main" line or
> equivalent on other mirrors)

There weren't any newer versions in jessie-updates.

> It does seem a little unfair to EOL and delete repositories from a
> release that is supposed to be LTS with virtually no notice it was
> happening.
> 
> And just saying "we're removing this stuff", without giving any
> guidance on what LTS users should / need to do is rather unhelpful.

I think the intent was that you would not need to do anything, so that
no guidance was needed.  Obviously that didn't quite work out as the
removal of jessie-updates resulted in error messages.  In future, the
-updates suite will not be removed until end of LTS.

As for jessie-backports, the removal was announced in July 2018.

Ben.

> OK, I am a little late to pick up on this, but I'm sure there are
> other people still running some Jessie systems who only run update
> commands on them every month or so.

-- 
Ben Hutchings
Horngren's Observation:
  Among economists, the real world is often a special case.




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Re: Re: Removal of Wheezy and Jessie (except LTS) from mirrors

2019-04-23 Thread Michael Firth
Hi,

It would be useful if there were information somewhere on the following for 
Debian Jessie LTS architectures:


  1.  What should we be using as our source.list file?
  2.  Which of the jessie repositories that existed until mid-March have now 
gone? (from a release that is supposed to still have some support for another 
year)
  3.  What happens / happened to packages where the latest version was in those 
repositories? (in particular packages that were from the "deb 
http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main" line or equivalent on other 
mirrors)

It does seem a little unfair to EOL and delete repositories from a release that 
is supposed to be LTS with virtually no notice it was happening.

And just saying "we're removing this stuff", without giving any guidance on 
what LTS users should / need to do is rather unhelpful.

OK, I am a little late to pick up on this, but I'm sure there are other people 
still running some Jessie systems who only run update commands on them every 
month or so.

Regards

Michael