concurrent POP3 and IMAP servers?
Hi, Is itpossible to have concurrent POP3 and IMAP servers running on my potato? I don't want to annoy my current customers to switch their POP outlook configuration, and just use IMAP for my new webmail service. Thank's Josep -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
concurrent POP3 and IMAP servers?
Hi, Is itpossible to have concurrent POP3 and IMAP servers running on my potato? I don't want to annoy my current customers to switch their POP outlook configuration, and just use IMAP for my new webmail service. Thank's Josep -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multi-domain POP/IMAP server
Michael, I have several servers sitting around the country now working with this configuration (from previous jobs) with NO problems short of hardware failures... I now use the "unofficial" packages made available by Gerrit Pape for qmail and daemontools (I also use djbdns but it's not needed for this example) The information on how to get/install these packages (and others) are at this page http://smarden.org/pape/Debian/ After installing Daemontools and Qmail, install vpopmail available at http://inter7.com/freesoftware/ follow the directions carefully! I use the option of roaming-users so I had to convince vpopmail and qmail agree on the location of file allowing "open relay" for the "roaming users" I have not used the "vchkpw" debian package that looks like it is part of the vpopmail suite. You might want qmailadmin (very good) and vqadmin (I have not used this before) for web based administration. Now you can install courier-imap, you will need to install from source or use the debian source package? (I've just used the tgz download) and enable "--auth-vchkpw". This enables the vpopmail authentication module for the imap server. With this module enabled as the only auth module, the imap server automagically knows where the users's mail is, as configured in vpopmail. The only problem with this system is the user MUST login with the username of "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" so vpopmail knows who to look up the password for. This doesn't seem to be a problem with the newer mail clients outlook, outlook express, eudora etc... Much thanks to Garret for making these packages available for those of us that just don't have time anymore to keep up to date on every "source installed" package on all of our systems! Loren Jordan At 02:50 PM 02/04/2002 -0600, you wrote: I need a POP & IMAP server that support multiple (virtual) domains on a single IP address. Suggestions? -- Michael MerrittO2/CO2 Conversion Specialist [w] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.miklm.com | (931) 205-1392 | AIM/MSN miklm "Piracy is not a technological issue. It's a behavior issue." --Steve Jobs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Loren Jordan Network Security Admin National White Collar Crime Center Internet Fraud Complaint Center Phone (304)363-4312 Ext 2011 http://www.nw3c.org http://www.ifccfbi.gov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multi-domain POP/IMAP server
Michael, I have several servers sitting around the country now working with this configuration (from previous jobs) with NO problems short of hardware failures... I now use the "unofficial" packages made available by Gerrit Pape for qmail and daemontools (I also use djbdns but it's not needed for this example) The information on how to get/install these packages (and others) are at this page http://smarden.org/pape/Debian/ After installing Daemontools and Qmail, install vpopmail available at http://inter7.com/freesoftware/ follow the directions carefully! I use the option of roaming-users so I had to convince vpopmail and qmail agree on the location of file allowing "open relay" for the "roaming users" I have not used the "vchkpw" debian package that looks like it is part of the vpopmail suite. You might want qmailadmin (very good) and vqadmin (I have not used this before) for web based administration. Now you can install courier-imap, you will need to install from source or use the debian source package? (I've just used the tgz download) and enable "--auth-vchkpw". This enables the vpopmail authentication module for the imap server. With this module enabled as the only auth module, the imap server automagically knows where the users's mail is, as configured in vpopmail. The only problem with this system is the user MUST login with the username of "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" so vpopmail knows who to look up the password for. This doesn't seem to be a problem with the newer mail clients outlook, outlook express, eudora etc... Much thanks to Garret for making these packages available for those of us that just don't have time anymore to keep up to date on every "source installed" package on all of our systems! Loren Jordan At 02:50 PM 02/04/2002 -0600, you wrote: >I need a POP & IMAP server that support multiple (virtual) domains on a >single IP address. > >Suggestions? >-- > Michael MerrittO2/CO2 Conversion Specialist [w] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.miklm.com | (931) 205-1392 | AIM/MSN miklm > > "Piracy is not a technological issue. It's a behavior issue." >--Steve Jobs > > >-- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Loren Jordan Network Security Admin National White Collar Crime Center Internet Fraud Complaint Center Phone (304)363-4312 Ext 2011 http://www.nw3c.org http://www.ifccfbi.gov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multi-domain POP/IMAP server
hi ya if you were to use sendmail... ( i think it'd work with exim too?? donno ) have fun mailing alvin http://www.Linux-1U.net ... 1U stuff for p4/amd toys ... for virtual domains pop/imap servers... /etc/mail/local-host-names ( sendmail.cw ) domain_1.com pop.domain_1.com mail.domain_1.com domain_two.com pop.domain_two.com mail.domain-two.com # this is the "real" machine name primary.com pop.primary.com mail.primary.com pinging those domain names should have the same ip# if oyu wnat to use just one server... ( fix your dns till it works right ) /etc/mail/virtusertable [EMAIL PROTECTED] webmaster,[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] webmaster,[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] webmaster who can send email thru your server ( arriving at the recepeint as coming from [EMAIL PROTECTED] /etc/mail/relay-domains /etc/mail/relay_allow if you wanna stop some spam... ( the hard way ) /etc/mail/access -->> -->> make the new db in /etc/mail && dont forget to restart sendmail -->> now setting up pop/imap ( use secure pop3s or imaps instead ) .. standard issue... ... /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny .. test it telnet pop.domain_1.com 110 ( regular pop ) telnet pop.domain_1.com 995 ( might fail - checks protocol ) - use a SSL enable client to do secure pop3/secure imaps IE, netscape, eudora, etc..etc.. stunnel, ssh, etc... Secure pop3 ( howto info ) http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Mail/secure_pop3.txt On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Michael Merritt wrote: > I need a POP & IMAP server that support multiple (virtual) domains on a > single IP address. > > Suggestions?
Re: Multi-domain POP/IMAP server
hi ya if you were to use sendmail... ( i think it'd work with exim too?? donno ) have fun mailing alvin http://www.Linux-1U.net ... 1U stuff for p4/amd toys ... for virtual domains pop/imap servers... /etc/mail/local-host-names ( sendmail.cw ) domain_1.com pop.domain_1.com mail.domain_1.com domain_two.com pop.domain_two.com mail.domain-two.com # this is the "real" machine name primary.com pop.primary.com mail.primary.com pinging those domain names should have the same ip# if oyu wnat to use just one server... ( fix your dns till it works right ) /etc/mail/virtusertable [EMAIL PROTECTED] webmaster,[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] webmaster,[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] webmaster who can send email thru your server ( arriving at the recepeint as coming from [EMAIL PROTECTED] /etc/mail/relay-domains /etc/mail/relay_allow if you wanna stop some spam... ( the hard way ) /etc/mail/access -->> -->> make the new db in /etc/mail && dont forget to restart sendmail -->> now setting up pop/imap ( use secure pop3s or imaps instead ) .. standard issue... ... /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny .. test it telnet pop.domain_1.com 110 ( regular pop ) telnet pop.domain_1.com 995 ( might fail - checks protocol ) - use a SSL enable client to do secure pop3/secure imaps IE, netscape, eudora, etc..etc.. stunnel, ssh, etc... Secure pop3 ( howto info ) http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Mail/secure_pop3.txt On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Michael Merritt wrote: > I need a POP & IMAP server that support multiple (virtual) domains on a > single IP address. > > Suggestions? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multi-domain POP/IMAP server
le 4/02/02 21:50, Michael Merritt (by way of Michael Merritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > I need a POP & IMAP server that support multiple (virtual) domains on a > single IP address. > > Suggestions? courier-pop + courier-imap works like a charme Ghislain.
Re: Multi-domain POP/IMAP server
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Michael Merritt wrote: > I need a POP & IMAP server that support multiple (virtual) domains on a > single IP address. > > Suggestions? I dealt with this using qmail and used a home-grown checkpasswd script for its POP3 server. That script accepted a full [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the login and returned the correct maildir based on that. Very effective. Also, the authentication mechanism using an external script even allowed me to use a fully virtual setup (using only one unix uid) and to query a radius box for passwords, but of course your're free to choose any backend setup you like. Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.xs4all.nl/~evbergen/
RE: Multi-domain POP/IMAP server
Qmail with vchkpw Apt-get install qmail-src ucspi-tcp-src vchkpw Build-qmail Build ucspi-tcp That's what I like -Original Message- From: Michael Merritt (by way of Michael Merritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:51 PM To: debian-isp@lists.debian.org; debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Multi-domain POP/IMAP server I need a POP & IMAP server that support multiple (virtual) domains on a single IP address. Suggestions? -- Michael MerrittO2/CO2 Conversion Specialist [w] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.miklm.com | (931) 205-1392 | AIM/MSN miklm "Piracy is not a technological issue. It's a behavior issue." --Steve Jobs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Multi-domain POP/IMAP server
I need a POP & IMAP server that support multiple (virtual) domains on a single IP address. Suggestions? -- Michael MerrittO2/CO2 Conversion Specialist [w] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.miklm.com | (931) 205-1392 | AIM/MSN miklm "Piracy is not a technological issue. It's a behavior issue." --Steve Jobs
Re: Multi-domain POP/IMAP server
le 4/02/02 21:50, Michael Merritt (by way of Michael Merritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > I need a POP & IMAP server that support multiple (virtual) domains on a > single IP address. > > Suggestions? courier-pop + courier-imap works like a charme Ghislain. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multi-domain POP/IMAP server
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Michael Merritt wrote: > I need a POP & IMAP server that support multiple (virtual) domains on a > single IP address. > > Suggestions? I dealt with this using qmail and used a home-grown checkpasswd script for its POP3 server. That script accepted a full user@domain as the login and returned the correct maildir based on that. Very effective. Also, the authentication mechanism using an external script even allowed me to use a fully virtual setup (using only one unix uid) and to query a radius box for passwords, but of course your're free to choose any backend setup you like. Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.xs4all.nl/~evbergen/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Multi-domain POP/IMAP server
Qmail with vchkpw Apt-get install qmail-src ucspi-tcp-src vchkpw Build-qmail Build ucspi-tcp That's what I like -Original Message- From: Michael Merritt (by way of Michael Merritt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Multi-domain POP/IMAP server I need a POP & IMAP server that support multiple (virtual) domains on a single IP address. Suggestions? -- Michael MerrittO2/CO2 Conversion Specialist [w] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.miklm.com | (931) 205-1392 | AIM/MSN miklm "Piracy is not a technological issue. It's a behavior issue." --Steve Jobs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Multi-domain POP/IMAP server
I need a POP & IMAP server that support multiple (virtual) domains on a single IP address. Suggestions? -- Michael MerrittO2/CO2 Conversion Specialist [w] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.miklm.com | (931) 205-1392 | AIM/MSN miklm "Piracy is not a technological issue. It's a behavior issue." --Steve Jobs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Eudora (Windows/ Mac) IMAP client with Cyrus IMAP Server
I was wondering if anyone has sucessfully intergrated the 5.1 version of the Eudora client with CMU's Cyrus Server. Has anyone had any problems with Eudora 5.1 and Cyrus recently ? >From the release notes, it appears that Eudora has had a long history of bugs related to the IMAP protocol. More specifically, it appears that IMAP was not working for the MAC client until recently. Many people on the Cyrus list complained about Eudora. Despite this negative information about Eudora, we may be implementing the Eudora client with the Cyrus IMAP server. The current Eudora client release notes state that all these bugs are resolved. I worry that the release notes may not tell the full story. References: Cyrus recommends Mulberry as an IMAP client: http://www.cmu.edu/computing/cyrus/cyrusstatus.html Eudora Release Notes: MAC: http://a1392.g.akamaitech.net/7/1392/939/0001/www.eudora.com/download/eudora/mac/5.1/final/ReleaseNotes.txt Windows -- http://www.eudora.com/download/eudora/windows/5.1/full_elec/RelNotes.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP design implementation (Cyrus, Courier or WU) -FB wanted
On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 04:36:00PM -0500, Ted Knab wrote: > windows/mac clients. > > I have decided to replace our current server with an Exim/IMAP combo > > either running Courier, Cryrus or WU-IMAP. > > I am hoping you will help me decide on the IMAP a good one. > Well, according to me, the main point is about local file storage. I think UW-IMAP uses primarily "plain old" UNIX mbox format, which is : - very well known, compatible with just about anything - easily corruptible (not NFS safe) - needs some tweaking for IMAP support - one file per mailbox, which is not very efficient for deletions / updates of individual messages Cyrus uses a proprietary storage layout, which includes local databases : - it's "meant for IMAP", one file per message - it features a complete ACL system and quota support - it's corruptible, and sometimes it's hard to figure out what's wrong, and how to rebuild the right database - I don't think it's NFS safe - it's not simple : you can't just "play with the files", you have to keep the databases in sync Courier uses Maildir (the native storage format of qmail) : - it's open, simple and efficient : one file per message, nothing else - it's fully NFS safe, using a purely fs based locking mechanism - it requires some tweaking for IMAP support I've setup various mail servers, using mbox, cyrus and Maildir. And I'm now "sold" to the Maildir format. It's "unbreakable", even when different POP/IMAP servers and various MTAs play with one spool at the same time. It's now supported by most MTAs (I use Postfix), and various POP/IMAP servers (I've just tried courier, and I'm fairly happy with it). mbox will be painful (corruption will happen). cyrus looks interesting, but once you're there, you can't use anything else, because the storage format is quite proprietary (although it's not secret). So my best advice would be : go for a Maildir based setup. Use your favorite MTA, and try Courier IMAP. You'll still be able to switch MTAs, POP or IMAP daemons later. -- Nicolas BOUGUES Axialys Interactive -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IMAP design implementation (Cyrus, Courier or WU) -FB wanted
Thanks for the syntax check. I will blame that error on the DNA I inherited from my father. While living he was color blind, and needed help reading numbers and writing stuff. I am a much better at writing than he was, but I can not make airplane out of steel tubing and an Autocad drawing. I can turn my back yard into a 1300 foot grass air field, I can not Engineer parts that other say can't be done, and I can not take a model scale it up and repoduce it either. I guess I didn't get all his genetic material. I am just a copy of a copy. Maybe you could explain that ? ;-) > > either running Courier, Cryrus or WU-IMAP. > > That UW as in University of Washington, not WU as in Washington > University of St. Louis. ;) This is good to hear. I will now limit my choice to either Cyrus or Courier. > In my experience, UW-IMAP crashes Outlook/Outlook Express clients > regularly, so you'll probably want to avoid it. > http://bugs.debian.org/108719 -Ted -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP design implementation (Cyrus, Courier or WU) -FB wanted
Hmm, did my MDA futz up the headers/body of your email? Ted Knab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > windows/mac clients. > > I have decided to replace our current server with an Exim/IMAP combo > > either running Courier, Cryrus or WU-IMAP. ^^ That UW as in University of Washington, not WU as in Washington University of St. Louis. ;) In my experience, UW-IMAP crashes Outlook/Outlook Express clients regularly, so you'll probably want to avoid it. http://bugs.debian.org/108719 I use courier and it works well for me... -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IMAP design implementation (Cyrus, Courier or WU) -FB wanted
windows/mac clients. I have decided to replace our current server with an Exim/IMAP combo either running Courier, Cryrus or WU-IMAP. I am hoping you will help me decide on the IMAP a good one. Requirements: LDAP, KERBEROS, and SSL. My boss is familiar with Eudora so she wants me get an IMAP server that works with it. After reading that Eudora does a bad job with IMAP, I have recommended the Mulberry client instead. Mulberry seems to be a stronger client for IMAP than Eudora. http://www.cyrusoft.com/mulberry/ Even though the details are not completely decided, I am going ahead with the build of the IMAP server. Which of these three IMAP servers will get me where I want to go ? 1. Cyrus 2. Courier IMAP 3. WU-IMAP Time Line: --- Fri - I installed Woody on an IBM Netfinity x250 (XEON 700 1MG CACHE with a 36G IBM RAID ). While installing I killed the IBM boot partition and let LINUX run the whole show. It seems to work fine. Partition Schema 27G RAID 5 Volume /boot sda1 30M bootable / sda5 70M /usr sda6 3G /var sda7 3G /swap sda8 1G /home sda9 1G /tmp sda10 500M unused space exits for later Partitioned Spare 9G Volume for Weekly dd mirror / sdb1 30M bootable / sdb5 70M / sdb6 3G / sdb7 3G /swap sdb8 1G / sdb9 1G unused space exists forlater Mon Plan --- Install/Compile 2.4.17 Kernel, Setup IPtables, Firewall Machine, Configure Tripwire run, make backup, bring on-line. Tue Plan --- Read all Documents on IMAP server selected. Install the IMAP server selected. Begin Configuration Wed Plan --- Finish Configuration Install Silk Mail Install Mulberry as a client and test. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pop or Imap?
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 12:07:34PM +0100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:13, Tim Uckun wrote: > > I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does > > imap encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. > > Both POP and IMAP have extensions to allow minimal security for the > password (but still allow plain-text transfer of the messages). > > Also both POP and IMAP have TLS extensions that allow a client to > request SSL mode after connecting, and there are separate ports > defined for POP and IMAP servers that only do SSL. > > The courier-pop-ssl and courier-imap-ssl packages do this well. alternatively, if you don't want to use courier, the stunnel package can be used to wrap any pop and/or imap daemon for SSL encryption. e.g. stunnel -d 993 -l /usr/sbin/imapd imapd stunnel -d 995 -l /usr/sbin/ipop3d ipop3d several POP/IMAP clients have ssl support. including, i believe, outlook, eudora, and netscape. btw, stunnel has tcpwrappers support built-in, so you don't need to use tcpd with it. craig -- craig sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fabricati Diem, PVNC. -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch
Re: Pop or Imap?
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 12:07:34PM +0100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:13, Tim Uckun wrote: > > I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does > > imap encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. > > Both POP and IMAP have extensions to allow minimal security for the > password (but still allow plain-text transfer of the messages). > > Also both POP and IMAP have TLS extensions that allow a client to > request SSL mode after connecting, and there are separate ports > defined for POP and IMAP servers that only do SSL. > > The courier-pop-ssl and courier-imap-ssl packages do this well. alternatively, if you don't want to use courier, the stunnel package can be used to wrap any pop and/or imap daemon for SSL encryption. e.g. stunnel -d 993 -l /usr/sbin/imapd imapd stunnel -d 995 -l /usr/sbin/ipop3d ipop3d several POP/IMAP clients have ssl support. including, i believe, outlook, eudora, and netscape. btw, stunnel has tcpwrappers support built-in, so you don't need to use tcpd with it. craig -- craig sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fabricati Diem, PVNC. -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pop or Imap?
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:13, Tim Uckun wrote: > I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does imap > encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. Both POP and IMAP have extensions to allow minimal security for the password (but still allow plain-text transfer of the messages). Also both POP and IMAP have TLS extensions that allow a client to request SSL mode after connecting, and there are separate ports defined for POP and IMAP servers that only do SSL. The courier-pop-ssl and courier-imap-ssl packages do this well. -- http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/projects.html Projects I am working on http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: Pop or Imap?
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:13, Tim Uckun wrote: > I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does imap > encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. Both POP and IMAP have extensions to allow minimal security for the password (but still allow plain-text transfer of the messages). Also both POP and IMAP have TLS extensions that allow a client to request SSL mode after connecting, and there are separate ports defined for POP and IMAP servers that only do SSL. The courier-pop-ssl and courier-imap-ssl packages do this well. -- http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/projects.html Projects I am working on http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pop or Imap?
At 07:21 PM 12/7/2001 +1100, Jeremy Lunn wrote: On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 08:13:26PM +1300, Michael Jager wrote: > > I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does imap > > encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. > APOP. I dunno how you get it or whatever, but I know it exists and passwords > are encrypted (IIRC). IIRC APOP uses challange response, requireing both ends to know the password in cleartext. Rather than sending the password as one string, the server asks the client a few questions about the password that it has. AFAIK it is not possible to work out the password at all from monitoring the network traffic. I just checked my eudora and it seems to support APOP. Outlook express supports something called SPA does anybody know what that is? -- Tim Uckun Mobile Intelligence Unit. -- "There are some who call me TIM?" --
Re: Pop or Imap?
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 08:51:03AM +0100, Markus Garscha wrote: > I think using POP3-SSL and IMAP-SSL server would be the best choice. > Have a look at courier-imap/pop3 suite. it is easy and good. Only problem might be the extra CPU usage, but if the content of your emails are highly confidential then it's worth it. -- Jeremy Lunn Melbourne, Australia Find me on Jabber today! Try my email address as my JID.
Re: Pop or Imap?
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 08:13:26PM +1300, Michael Jager wrote: > > I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does imap > > encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. > APOP. I dunno how you get it or whatever, but I know it exists and passwords > are encrypted (IIRC). IIRC APOP uses challange response, requireing both ends to know the password in cleartext. Rather than sending the password as one string, the server asks the client a few questions about the password that it has. AFAIK it is not possible to work out the password at all from monitoring the network traffic. -- Jeremy Lunn Melbourne, Australia Find me on Jabber today! Try my email address as my JID.
Re: Pop or Imap?
Hi! I think using POP3-SSL and IMAP-SSL server would be the best choice. Have a look at courier-imap/pop3 suite. it is easy and good. so far markus * Tim Uckun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001-12-07 08:30]: > > I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does imap > encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. > > THX. > -- > Tim Uckun > Mobile Intelligence Unit. > -- >"There are some who call me TIM?" > -- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Markus Garschaemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hartmannstr. 129fon: 09131/626715 91058 Erlangen fax: +49 89 244356966 pgp-keyid: 0xEE18AF3B --- pgpgbVQ3kMNSu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pop or Imap?
claiming to be Tim Uckun, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does imap > encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. APOP. I dunno how you get it or whatever, but I know it exists and passwords are encrypted (IIRC). Michael
Re: Pop or Imap?
At 07:21 PM 12/7/2001 +1100, Jeremy Lunn wrote: >On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 08:13:26PM +1300, Michael Jager wrote: > > > I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does imap > > > encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. > > APOP. I dunno how you get it or whatever, but I know it exists and > passwords > > are encrypted (IIRC). > >IIRC APOP uses challange response, requireing both ends to know the >password in cleartext. Rather than sending the password as one string, >the server asks the client a few questions about the password that it >has. AFAIK it is not possible to work out the password at all from >monitoring the network traffic. I just checked my eudora and it seems to support APOP. Outlook express supports something called SPA does anybody know what that is? -- Tim Uckun Mobile Intelligence Unit. -- "There are some who call me TIM?" -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pop or Imap?
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 08:51:03AM +0100, Markus Garscha wrote: > I think using POP3-SSL and IMAP-SSL server would be the best choice. > Have a look at courier-imap/pop3 suite. it is easy and good. Only problem might be the extra CPU usage, but if the content of your emails are highly confidential then it's worth it. -- Jeremy Lunn Melbourne, Australia Find me on Jabber today! Try my email address as my JID. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pop or Imap?
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 08:13:26PM +1300, Michael Jager wrote: > > I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does imap > > encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. > APOP. I dunno how you get it or whatever, but I know it exists and passwords > are encrypted (IIRC). IIRC APOP uses challange response, requireing both ends to know the password in cleartext. Rather than sending the password as one string, the server asks the client a few questions about the password that it has. AFAIK it is not possible to work out the password at all from monitoring the network traffic. -- Jeremy Lunn Melbourne, Australia Find me on Jabber today! Try my email address as my JID. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pop or Imap?
I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does imap encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. THX. -- Tim Uckun Mobile Intelligence Unit. -- "There are some who call me TIM?" --
Re: Pop or Imap?
Hi! I think using POP3-SSL and IMAP-SSL server would be the best choice. Have a look at courier-imap/pop3 suite. it is easy and good. so far markus * Tim Uckun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001-12-07 08:30]: > > I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does imap > encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. > > THX. > -- > Tim Uckun > Mobile Intelligence Unit. > -- >"There are some who call me TIM?" > -- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Markus Garschaemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hartmannstr. 129fon: 09131/626715 91058 Erlangen fax: +49 89 244356966 pgp-keyid: 0xEE18AF3B --- msg04386/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Pop or Imap?
claiming to be Tim Uckun, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does imap > encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. APOP. I dunno how you get it or whatever, but I know it exists and passwords are encrypted (IIRC). Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am concerned about pop passwords being transmitted plaintext. Does imap encrypt passwords? if not does any protocol exists which does. THX. -- Tim Uckun Mobile Intelligence Unit. -- "There are some who call me TIM?" -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap, imap/ssl)
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 01:44:44PM -0400, Robb Kidd wrote: > For High Availability happiness Alejandro Borges recommends: > > >Check out CODA, GFS (SAN capable, fault tolerant, network > >logging file system) and the LVS AFAIK, thats the best of > >breed of the free HA solutions... > > Linkage: > * Coda - http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ > * GFS - http://opengfs.org/ - (Open)GFS, the GPL one. Anyone > know how it fares and compares to Sistina's? I haven't used either. OpenGFS hasn't released anything yet (you have to get it from CVS) but they want to fix a bunch of security issues they've found and tidy up the code before releasing it. Sistina's version has moved on from the GPL version, but there is some concern that they may be violating the GPL and that their code might still contain the security problems that OpenGFS is fixing. I have nothing to do with either project, so I don't know all the details. Have a look at their web sites. Sistina's GFS web site is http://www.globalfilesystem.com/ which redirects to http://www.sistina.com/products_gfs.htm. -- Michael Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: duplicate network filesystems (was: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap,imap/ssl))
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:31:01AM -0400, Peter Billson wrote: > > Then if one fileserver was down (even temporarily), then all > > the other fileservers (all four) would have to queue a > > message about the data and task and some heartbeat between > > fileservers could alert it when back up and then make sure > > that the particular filesystem is properly updated. > > Sounds exactly like RAID except that the disks are in > physically different machines. I wonder if you can set up > software RAID to use NFS mounted drives... h... may be > worth playing with. A network block device would work better, but it's not good enough to lump a bunch of nbds together, since if you do that you still need ONE machine looking after the RAID. i.e. you have a single point of failure. -- Michael Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap, imap/ssl)
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 01:44:44PM -0400, Robb Kidd wrote: > For High Availability happiness Alejandro Borges recommends: > > >Check out CODA, GFS (SAN capable, fault tolerant, network > >logging file system) and the LVS AFAIK, thats the best of > >breed of the free HA solutions... > > Linkage: > * Coda - http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ > * GFS - http://opengfs.org/ - (Open)GFS, the GPL one. Anyone > know how it fares and compares to Sistina's? I haven't used either. OpenGFS hasn't released anything yet (you have to get it from CVS) but they want to fix a bunch of security issues they've found and tidy up the code before releasing it. Sistina's version has moved on from the GPL version, but there is some concern that they may be violating the GPL and that their code might still contain the security problems that OpenGFS is fixing. I have nothing to do with either project, so I don't know all the details. Have a look at their web sites. Sistina's GFS web site is http://www.globalfilesystem.com/ which redirects to http://www.sistina.com/products_gfs.htm. -- Michael Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: duplicate network filesystems (was: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap,imap/ssl))
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:31:01AM -0400, Peter Billson wrote: > > Then if one fileserver was down (even temporarily), then all > > the other fileservers (all four) would have to queue a > > message about the data and task and some heartbeat between > > fileservers could alert it when back up and then make sure > > that the particular filesystem is properly updated. > > Sounds exactly like RAID except that the disks are in > physically different machines. I wonder if you can set up > software RAID to use NFS mounted drives... h... may be > worth playing with. A network block device would work better, but it's not good enough to lump a bunch of nbds together, since if you do that you still need ONE machine looking after the RAID. i.e. you have a single point of failure. -- Michael Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: duplicate network filesystems (was: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap,imap/ssl))
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Florian Friesdorf wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:31:01AM -0400, Peter Billson wrote: > > > Then if one fileserver was down (even temporarily), then all the other > > > fileservers (all four) would have to queue a message about the data and > > > task and some heartbeat between fileservers could alert it when back up > > > and then make sure that the particular filesystem is properly updated. > > > > > > What do you all think about this? > > > > Sounds exactly like RAID except that the disks are in physically > > different machines. I wonder if you can set up software RAID to use NFS > > mounted drives... h... may be worth playing with. > > No solution, just a direction: > > The Enhanced Network Block Device Linux Kernel Module > "It makes a remote disk on a different machine act as though it were a > local disk on your machine. It looks like a block device on the local > machine where it's typically going to appear as /dev/nda." > "The intended use is for RAID over the net" > http://www.it.uc3m.es/~ptb/nbd/ > > from the Software-RAID-Howto: > "Linux RAID can work on most block devices. It doesn't matter whether > you use IDE or SCSI devices, or a mixture. Some people > have also used the Network Block Device (NBD) with more or less success." RAID is definitely not what you want in this situation. Look at CODA which is a massively buffered network filesystem originally designed to work in disconnected operation, managing reentry etc. the relevant kernel support is in the main 2.4 kernel tree these days. striping coda filesystems together may be possible, but I have never played with it. Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] "You can't depend on your judgement when your imagination is out of focus." -- Mark Twain
Re: duplicate network filesystems (was: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap,imap/ssl))
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:24:10PM +0200, Florian Friesdorf wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:31:01AM -0400, Peter Billson wrote: > > > Then if one fileserver was down (even temporarily), then all the other > > > fileservers (all four) would have to queue a message about the data and > > > task and some heartbeat between fileservers could alert it when back up > > > and then make sure that the particular filesystem is properly updated. > > > > > > What do you all think about this? > > > > Sounds exactly like RAID except that the disks are in physically > > different machines. I wonder if you can set up software RAID to use NFS > > mounted drives... h... may be worth playing with. > > No solution, just a direction: > > The Enhanced Network Block Device Linux Kernel Module > "It makes a remote disk on a different machine act as though it were a > local disk on your machine. It looks like a block device on the local > machine where it's typically going to appear as /dev/nda." > "The intended use is for RAID over the net" > http://www.it.uc3m.es/~ptb/nbd/ > > from the Software-RAID-Howto: > "Linux RAID can work on most block devices. It doesn't matter whether > you use IDE or SCSI devices, or a mixture. Some people > have also used the Network Block Device (NBD) with more or less success." There is a thread on debian-isp "RAID over NBD" 10. AUG 2001 where this is discussed in short. Hirling Endre reports success with drbd. http://sourceforge.net/projects/drbd florian -- Florian Friesdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OpenPGP key available on public key servers --> Save the future of Open Source <-- -> Online-Petition against Software Patents <- --> http://petition.eurolinux.org <--- pgp2SB7ZQpo2F.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: duplicate network filesystems (was: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap,imap/ssl))
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:31:01AM -0400, Peter Billson wrote: > > Then if one fileserver was down (even temporarily), then all the other > > fileservers (all four) would have to queue a message about the data and > > task and some heartbeat between fileservers could alert it when back up > > and then make sure that the particular filesystem is properly updated. > > > > What do you all think about this? > > Sounds exactly like RAID except that the disks are in physically > different machines. I wonder if you can set up software RAID to use NFS > mounted drives... h... may be worth playing with. No solution, just a direction: The Enhanced Network Block Device Linux Kernel Module "It makes a remote disk on a different machine act as though it were a local disk on your machine. It looks like a block device on the local machine where it's typically going to appear as /dev/nda." "The intended use is for RAID over the net" http://www.it.uc3m.es/~ptb/nbd/ from the Software-RAID-Howto: "Linux RAID can work on most block devices. It doesn't matter whether you use IDE or SCSI devices, or a mixture. Some people have also used the Network Block Device (NBD) with more or less success." florian -- Florian Friesdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OpenPGP key available on public key servers --> Save the future of Open Source <-- -> Online-Petition against Software Patents <- --> http://petition.eurolinux.org <--- pgppq44c2bhHn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap, imap/ssl)
For High Availability happiness Alejandro Borges recommends: Check out CODA, GFS (SAN capable, fault tolerant, network logging file system) and the LVS AFAIK, thats the best of breed of the free HA solutions... Linkage: * Coda - http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ * GFS - http://opengfs.org/ - (Open)GFS, the GPL one. Anyone know how it fares and compares to Sistina's? * LVS - http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/
Re: duplicate network filesystems (was: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3,imap,imap/ssl))
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Florian Friesdorf wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:31:01AM -0400, Peter Billson wrote: > > > Then if one fileserver was down (even temporarily), then all the other > > > fileservers (all four) would have to queue a message about the data and > > > task and some heartbeat between fileservers could alert it when back up > > > and then make sure that the particular filesystem is properly updated. > > > > > > What do you all think about this? > > > > Sounds exactly like RAID except that the disks are in physically > > different machines. I wonder if you can set up software RAID to use NFS > > mounted drives... h... may be worth playing with. > > No solution, just a direction: > > The Enhanced Network Block Device Linux Kernel Module > "It makes a remote disk on a different machine act as though it were a > local disk on your machine. It looks like a block device on the local > machine where it's typically going to appear as /dev/nda." > "The intended use is for RAID over the net" > http://www.it.uc3m.es/~ptb/nbd/ > > from the Software-RAID-Howto: > "Linux RAID can work on most block devices. It doesn't matter whether > you use IDE or SCSI devices, or a mixture. Some people > have also used the Network Block Device (NBD) with more or less success." RAID is definitely not what you want in this situation. Look at CODA which is a massively buffered network filesystem originally designed to work in disconnected operation, managing reentry etc. the relevant kernel support is in the main 2.4 kernel tree these days. striping coda filesystems together may be possible, but I have never played with it. Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] "You can't depend on your judgement when your imagination is out of focus." -- Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap, imap/ssl)
Mkay Check out CODA, GFS (SAN capable, fault tolerant, network logging file system) and the LVS AFAIK, thats the best of breed of the free HA solutions... Alex On Wed, 2001-10-10 at 07:47, Saku Ytti wrote: > Hello, > > We are looking replacement for SunCluster (2*e450) mail server and would > preferally like to do it with x86/linux cluster software can be commercial > or free. > > What software are currently used to build these? Requirment is that > the media is replicated and locking functions properly so we can pop > machines in/out and all user accounts/all mail still works only if > one server is pop out load on other machines just increses slightly. > > There can't be any SPOF. >
Re: duplicate network filesystems (was: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap,imap/ssl))
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:24:10PM +0200, Florian Friesdorf wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:31:01AM -0400, Peter Billson wrote: > > > Then if one fileserver was down (even temporarily), then all the other > > > fileservers (all four) would have to queue a message about the data and > > > task and some heartbeat between fileservers could alert it when back up > > > and then make sure that the particular filesystem is properly updated. > > > > > > What do you all think about this? > > > > Sounds exactly like RAID except that the disks are in physically > > different machines. I wonder if you can set up software RAID to use NFS > > mounted drives... h... may be worth playing with. > > No solution, just a direction: > > The Enhanced Network Block Device Linux Kernel Module > "It makes a remote disk on a different machine act as though it were a > local disk on your machine. It looks like a block device on the local > machine where it's typically going to appear as /dev/nda." > "The intended use is for RAID over the net" > http://www.it.uc3m.es/~ptb/nbd/ > > from the Software-RAID-Howto: > "Linux RAID can work on most block devices. It doesn't matter whether > you use IDE or SCSI devices, or a mixture. Some people > have also used the Network Block Device (NBD) with more or less success." There is a thread on debian-isp "RAID over NBD" 10. AUG 2001 where this is discussed in short. Hirling Endre reports success with drbd. http://sourceforge.net/projects/drbd florian -- Florian Friesdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OpenPGP key available on public key servers --> Save the future of Open Source <-- -> Online-Petition against Software Patents <- --> http://petition.eurolinux.org <--- msg04228/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: duplicate network filesystems (was: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap,imap/ssl))
On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 08:31:01AM -0400, Peter Billson wrote: > > Then if one fileserver was down (even temporarily), then all the other > > fileservers (all four) would have to queue a message about the data and > > task and some heartbeat between fileservers could alert it when back up > > and then make sure that the particular filesystem is properly updated. > > > > What do you all think about this? > > Sounds exactly like RAID except that the disks are in physically > different machines. I wonder if you can set up software RAID to use NFS > mounted drives... h... may be worth playing with. No solution, just a direction: The Enhanced Network Block Device Linux Kernel Module "It makes a remote disk on a different machine act as though it were a local disk on your machine. It looks like a block device on the local machine where it's typically going to appear as /dev/nda." "The intended use is for RAID over the net" http://www.it.uc3m.es/~ptb/nbd/ from the Software-RAID-Howto: "Linux RAID can work on most block devices. It doesn't matter whether you use IDE or SCSI devices, or a mixture. Some people have also used the Network Block Device (NBD) with more or less success." florian -- Florian Friesdorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OpenPGP key available on public key servers --> Save the future of Open Source <-- -> Online-Petition against Software Patents <- --> http://petition.eurolinux.org <--- msg04227/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap, imap/ssl)
For High Availability happiness Alejandro Borges recommends: > Check out CODA, GFS (SAN capable, fault tolerant, network logging file > system) and the LVS AFAIK, thats the best of breed of the free HA > solutions... Linkage: * Coda - http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/ * GFS - http://opengfs.org/ - (Open)GFS, the GPL one. Anyone know how it fares and compares to Sistina's? * LVS - http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mkay Check out CODA, GFS (SAN capable, fault tolerant, network logging file system) and the LVS AFAIK, thats the best of breed of the free HA solutions... Alex On Wed, 2001-10-10 at 07:47, Saku Ytti wrote: > Hello, > > We are looking replacement for SunCluster (2*e450) mail server and would > preferally like to do it with x86/linux cluster software can be commercial > or free. > > What software are currently used to build these? Requirment is that > the media is replicated and locking functions properly so we can pop > machines in/out and all user accounts/all mail still works only if > one server is pop out load on other machines just increses slightly. > > There can't be any SPOF. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: duplicate network filesystems (was: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap,imap/ssl))
> Then if one fileserver was down (even temporarily), then all the other > fileservers (all four) would have to queue a message about the data and > task and some heartbeat between fileservers could alert it when back up > and then make sure that the particular filesystem is properly updated. > > What do you all think about this? Sounds exactly like RAID except that the disks are in physically different machines. I wonder if you can set up software RAID to use NFS mounted drives... h... may be worth playing with. Pete -- http://www.elbnet.com ELB Internet Services, Inc. Web Design, Computer Consulting, Internet Hosting
Re: duplicate network filesystems (was: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap, imap/ssl))
JCR> On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Saku Ytti wrote: >> We are looking replacement for SunCluster (2*e450) mail server and would >> preferally like to do it with x86/linux cluster software can be commercial >> or free. >> >> What software are currently used to build these? Requirment is that >> the media is replicated and locking functions properly so we can pop >> machines in/out and all user accounts/all mail still works only if >> one server is pop out load on other machines just increses slightly. >> >> There can't be any SPOF. JCR> This "single point of failure" made me wonder... is there such thing as a JCR> network filesystem that can simultaneously write to two (or more) remote JCR> servers? AFAIK Corba provides such capability. It can be configured to store data on several phisical server (with replication of data). Another possible alternatives are Intermezzo and GFS. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Ilya Martynov (http://martynov.org/)| | GnuPG 1024D/323BDEE6 D7F7 561E 4C1D 8A15 8E80 E4AE BE1A 53EB 323B DEE6 | | AGAVA Software Company (http://www.agava.com/) | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: duplicate network filesystems (was: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap,imap/ssl))
> Then if one fileserver was down (even temporarily), then all the other > fileservers (all four) would have to queue a message about the data and > task and some heartbeat between fileservers could alert it when back up > and then make sure that the particular filesystem is properly updated. > > What do you all think about this? Sounds exactly like RAID except that the disks are in physically different machines. I wonder if you can set up software RAID to use NFS mounted drives... h... may be worth playing with. Pete -- http://www.elbnet.com ELB Internet Services, Inc. Web Design, Computer Consulting, Internet Hosting -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
duplicate network filesystems (was: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap, imap/ssl))
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Saku Ytti wrote: > We are looking replacement for SunCluster (2*e450) mail server and would > preferally like to do it with x86/linux cluster software can be commercial > or free. > > What software are currently used to build these? Requirment is that > the media is replicated and locking functions properly so we can pop > machines in/out and all user accounts/all mail still works only if > one server is pop out load on other machines just increses slightly. > > There can't be any SPOF. This "single point of failure" made me wonder... is there such thing as a network filesystem that can simultaneously write to two (or more) remote servers? For example, a write(2) or fprintf(3) to a file wouldn't be successful unless it was succesfully written to two (or more selected) remote fileservers. Anything like that? (Hopefully open source.) Can any NFS or SMB/CIFS versions/protocols support that? Maybe this special network filesystem could be configured, for example, to have five remote fileservers. Every data written to this mounted filesystem would have to successfully write to all these filservers. Then when reading, it could just grab from any. Then if one fileserver was down (even temporarily), then all the other fileservers (all four) would have to queue a message about the data and task and some heartbeat between fileservers could alert it when back up and then make sure that the particular filesystem is properly updated. What do you all think about this? Thanks, Jeremy C. Reed ... ISP-FAQ.com -- find answers to your questions http://www.isp-faq.com/
HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap, imap/ssl)
Hello, We are looking replacement for SunCluster (2*e450) mail server and would preferally like to do it with x86/linux cluster software can be commercial or free. What software are currently used to build these? Requirment is that the media is replicated and locking functions properly so we can pop machines in/out and all user accounts/all mail still works only if one server is pop out load on other machines just increses slightly. There can't be any SPOF. -- ++ytti
Re: duplicate network filesystems (was: HA mailserver (smtp, pop3, imap, imap/ssl))
JCR> On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Saku Ytti wrote: >> We are looking replacement for SunCluster (2*e450) mail server and would >> preferally like to do it with x86/linux cluster software can be commercial >> or free. >> >> What software are currently used to build these? Requirment is that >> the media is replicated and locking functions properly so we can pop >> machines in/out and all user accounts/all mail still works only if >> one server is pop out load on other machines just increses slightly. >> >> There can't be any SPOF. JCR> This "single point of failure" made me wonder... is there such thing as a JCR> network filesystem that can simultaneously write to two (or more) remote JCR> servers? AFAIK Corba provides such capability. It can be configured to store data on several phisical server (with replication of data). Another possible alternatives are Intermezzo and GFS. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Ilya Martynov (http://martynov.org/)| | GnuPG 1024D/323BDEE6 D7F7 561E 4C1D 8A15 8E80 E4AE BE1A 53EB 323B DEE6 | | AGAVA Software Company (http://www.agava.com/) | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Saku Ytti wrote: > We are looking replacement for SunCluster (2*e450) mail server and would > preferally like to do it with x86/linux cluster software can be commercial > or free. > > What software are currently used to build these? Requirment is that > the media is replicated and locking functions properly so we can pop > machines in/out and all user accounts/all mail still works only if > one server is pop out load on other machines just increses slightly. > > There can't be any SPOF. This "single point of failure" made me wonder... is there such thing as a network filesystem that can simultaneously write to two (or more) remote servers? For example, a write(2) or fprintf(3) to a file wouldn't be successful unless it was succesfully written to two (or more selected) remote fileservers. Anything like that? (Hopefully open source.) Can any NFS or SMB/CIFS versions/protocols support that? Maybe this special network filesystem could be configured, for example, to have five remote fileservers. Every data written to this mounted filesystem would have to successfully write to all these filservers. Then when reading, it could just grab from any. Then if one fileserver was down (even temporarily), then all the other fileservers (all four) would have to queue a message about the data and task and some heartbeat between fileservers could alert it when back up and then make sure that the particular filesystem is properly updated. What do you all think about this? Thanks, Jeremy C. Reed ... ISP-FAQ.com -- find answers to your questions http://www.isp-faq.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello, We are looking replacement for SunCluster (2*e450) mail server and would preferally like to do it with x86/linux cluster software can be commercial or free. What software are currently used to build these? Requirment is that the media is replicated and locking functions properly so we can pop machines in/out and all user accounts/all mail still works only if one server is pop out load on other machines just increses slightly. There can't be any SPOF. -- ++ytti -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP mail for heavy users
I would highly recommend IMAP, and Maildir would be a great choice. I'm using qmail delivering to Maildir format, with IMAP access provided by courier-imap. Couldn't have been easier to setup, and has great performance. I had been using cyrus, but I found it harder to set up, and more annoying to maintain. I haven't tried maildir with exim, so I can't comment on that. If that's easy to get going, then your approach should work great. -Tupshin - Original Message - From: "Sanjeev Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: IMAP mail for heavy users > Folks, > > The question of having mail solutions that scale to many users is often > discussed, I have a variation. > > I am setting up a Mail Server for our company, with users distributed, > some of them on slow dial-ups. Total number of users is under 50, in 3 > domains. My current method is using Jeremy Reed's patched gnu-pop3d for > virtual addresses, and exim. I also offer users IMP (horde) to read > mail while travelling. > > Because users often have multiple machines (one in Singapore, one in HK, > and a laptop), I set up aliases, eg: mail to ghane goes to ghane, > ghane-hk, and ghane-trav. I set up a POP account on each PC, and voila, > I can read mail from all places. Users are happy. > > I am now thinking of switching to IMAP for users, mainly to help when > lines drop on slow connections (POP starts again from Message 1), and to > enable multiple PCs to view the mailbox on server. Added bonus: Sent > Mail is viewable from all locations too, stopping the practice of BCC: > me that users resort to. Virtual name@domain will deliver to a real > user, which the person reading logs in as, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> abcxyz , so > IMAP support for Virtual domains is not required. > > Other data: number of users, low, will not cross 100 anyway for another > couple of years. Usage patterns, heavy. Users think nothing of sending > 3MB attachments. This scares me, as my experience is that a 100MB inbox > will slow startup considerably. > > Hence pointers required: > > 1 > Should I deliver to maildir? Will IMAP access be faster in this case, > with a few hudred mails and a few hunded MB? > > 2 > I like exim, any reason not to use it? > > 3 > I could deliver to MySQL, which is running on the box, I just don't > understand it, and I would like to stick to a known format when > something goes wrong. > > 4 > Cyrus? Courier? > > 5 > What could users use to change their passwords, or vacation messages? I > persume they could use IMP to read and deply while travelling. > > 6 > And finally: Is there any standard to sync or replicate address books? > > Thanks a ton for reading this. > > -- > Sanjeev Gupta > > PS: Secondary MX available for "personal" domains, I have a LARGE spool > disk, and as long as you are up once in a while, I could even bump up > the life of mails in spool beyond 5d. Ditto Primary/Secondary DNS for > personal domains of list members. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP mail for heavy users
On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Sanjeev Gupta wrote: <-- cut away --> > > Hence pointers required: > > 1 > Should I deliver to maildir? Will IMAP access be faster in this case, > with a few hudred mails and a few hunded MB? Definitively.. mbox delivery gets very slow as soon as a mailboxes gets to a few megabyte while maildirs get slow if there are huge amounts of many small email, (this is filesystem dependent though). So over 3000 emails in a folder can make the system a bit slower, but mbox would probably slow to a crawl then. > > 2 > I like exim, any reason not to use it? > Not sure there, it depends on it's capabilities and if you like it personally. We are currently switching to postfix, which has some very nice features (MySQL maps especially) and can deliver to maildirs. > 3 > I could deliver to MySQL, which is running on the box, I just don't > understand it, and I would like to stick to a known format when > something goes wrong. Don't Generally delivering to databases is bad. you once again gets all mails in one huge file, and it is much more easy to get corruption of "all" mails instead of one users mail. > > 4 > Cyrus? Courier? > Yet again preference.. If you prefer Cyrus and it works for you, use it. I only know Courier, and it has some nice features, like MySQL lookups of users, and the pop and imap daemons both use same lookups and directory structure, which could make your migration easier. Btw, Postfix and Courier works very nicely together.. :) > 5 > What could users use to change their passwords, or vacation messages? I > persume they could use IMP to read and deply while travelling. > > 6 > And finally: Is there any standard to sync or replicate address books? Not sure there.. LDAP is a good place to start looking in any case. > > Thanks a ton for reading this. > > -- > Sanjeev Gupta > > PS: Secondary MX available for "personal" domains, I have a LARGE spool > disk, and as long as you are up once in a while, I could even bump up > the life of mails in spool beyond 5d. Ditto Primary/Secondary DNS for > personal domains of list members. > /Regards Roger Abrahamsson - Roger Abrahamsson, Sys/Net Admin, Obbit AB - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IMAP mail for heavy users
Folks, The question of having mail solutions that scale to many users is often discussed, I have a variation. I am setting up a Mail Server for our company, with users distributed, some of them on slow dial-ups. Total number of users is under 50, in 3 domains. My current method is using Jeremy Reed's patched gnu-pop3d for virtual addresses, and exim. I also offer users IMP (horde) to read mail while travelling. Because users often have multiple machines (one in Singapore, one in HK, and a laptop), I set up aliases, eg: mail to ghane goes to ghane, ghane-hk, and ghane-trav. I set up a POP account on each PC, and voila, I can read mail from all places. Users are happy. I am now thinking of switching to IMAP for users, mainly to help when lines drop on slow connections (POP starts again from Message 1), and to enable multiple PCs to view the mailbox on server. Added bonus: Sent Mail is viewable from all locations too, stopping the practice of BCC: me that users resort to. Virtual name@domain will deliver to a real user, which the person reading logs in as, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> abcxyz , so IMAP support for Virtual domains is not required. Other data: number of users, low, will not cross 100 anyway for another couple of years. Usage patterns, heavy. Users think nothing of sending 3MB attachments. This scares me, as my experience is that a 100MB inbox will slow startup considerably. Hence pointers required: 1 Should I deliver to maildir? Will IMAP access be faster in this case, with a few hudred mails and a few hunded MB? 2 I like exim, any reason not to use it? 3 I could deliver to MySQL, which is running on the box, I just don't understand it, and I would like to stick to a known format when something goes wrong. 4 Cyrus? Courier? 5 What could users use to change their passwords, or vacation messages? I persume they could use IMP to read and deply while travelling. 6 And finally: Is there any standard to sync or replicate address books? Thanks a ton for reading this. -- Sanjeev Gupta PS: Secondary MX available for "personal" domains, I have a LARGE spool disk, and as long as you are up once in a while, I could even bump up the life of mails in spool beyond 5d. Ditto Primary/Secondary DNS for personal domains of list members. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
postfix + courier-imap + ldap, which local_transport ?
hi, I want postfix to get virtual from ldap (seems to work) but then I want to deliver to courier-imap maildir boxes like /var/spool/mail/$user and I'm getting: unknown user: "proves" the deliver information is stored on ldap: mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailRoutingAddress: /var/spool/mail/proves and I setup main.cf as follows: mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/mail virtual_maps = ldap:ldapsource ldapsource_server_host = is.6tems.com ldapsource_server_port = 389 ldapsource_bind = yes ldapsource_bind_dn = cn=Admin,dc=tur,dc=net ldapsource_bind_pw = * ldapsource_search_base = dc=tur,dc=net ldapsource_timeout = 10 ldapsource_query_filter = (mail=%s) ldapsource_result_attribute = mailLocalAddress as explained on virtual(5) the virtual domain is appended on query_filter (mail) but deliver doesnt' works... should I use virtual, maildrop or another delivery agent ? thanx jaume teixi. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IMAP and multiple mbox mailboxes.
Hello, I would like to set up IMAP to acess mail on my home machine. (Yes, I know, it's not an isp question, but I thought people here will know most about it) The way my mail set up is, incoming mail goes to /var/spool/mail/username , and some is filetered by procmail into ~/Mail/mailboxX, etc. After a quick look at packages offerd by Debian sid, it seems most IMAP servers work with Maildir. Any recommendations/help? Thank you. -- GPG key-id: 1024D/5BE3DCFD Dmitriy CCAB 5F17 A099 9E43 1DBE 295C 9A21 2F1C 5BE3 DCFD Adobe put Dmitry in jail for the crime against society of revealing that they were selling ROT-13 as "encryption." He is rotting in US rison as a political prisoner for speaking out. Free Dmitry Sklyarov! http://www.freesklyarov.org PGP signature
Re: Virtual Email Hosting, IMAP and LDAP - advise needed
On 11 Jul 2001 16:48:00 +0200, Ramin Motakef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The next question: > How do people organize the LDAP tree? > I´ ve searched around the Internet, found lot of infos on LDAP, but > not a concrete example of LDAP driven email solution. So, if you have > links, or like to share your setup, please respond. Check this list's archives. It was discussed quite extensively a while back. Gerard MacNeil System Administrator
Virtual Email Hosting, IMAP and LDAP - advise needed
Hi, first of all i am quite new to all this stuff, so if anything below is plain stupid, please tell me. (RTFM wellcome). What i want to do is hosting virtual email domains on one server, which should be accessible by IMAP and/or POP3 Clients. This actually already works with exim as MTA and courier for POP and IMAP. First question: I have exim deliver the mails in maildir format to /var/spool/virtual// with permissions "mail:mail 600". Courier uses auth-userdb, the usernames are of the form . and all users have uid=gid=8 (mail). Is this save or are there better ways to set the permissions/ids? Now to the hard part: I´ve heard (read) a lot of good thing things about LDAP, and having all the infos at a central place sounds really fine to me. The next question: How do people organize the LDAP tree? I´ ve searched around the Internet, found lot of infos on LDAP, but not a concrete example of LDAP driven email solution. So, if you have links, or like to share your setup, please respond. Thanks, Ramin
Re: Virtual Email Hosting, IMAP and LDAP - advise needed
On 11 Jul 2001 16:48:00 +0200, Ramin Motakef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The next question: > How do people organize the LDAP tree? > I´ ve searched around the Internet, found lot of infos on LDAP, but > not a concrete example of LDAP driven email solution. So, if you have > links, or like to share your setup, please respond. Check this list's archives. It was discussed quite extensively a while back. Gerard MacNeil System Administrator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Virtual Email Hosting, IMAP and LDAP - advise needed
Hi, first of all i am quite new to all this stuff, so if anything below is plain stupid, please tell me. (RTFM wellcome). What i want to do is hosting virtual email domains on one server, which should be accessible by IMAP and/or POP3 Clients. This actually already works with exim as MTA and courier for POP and IMAP. First question: I have exim deliver the mails in maildir format to /var/spool/virtual// with permissions "mail:mail 600". Courier uses auth-userdb, the usernames are of the form . and all users have uid=gid=8 (mail). Is this save or are there better ways to set the permissions/ids? Now to the hard part: I´ve heard (read) a lot of good thing things about LDAP, and having all the infos at a central place sounds really fine to me. The next question: How do people organize the LDAP tree? I´ ve searched around the Internet, found lot of infos on LDAP, but not a concrete example of LDAP driven email solution. So, if you have links, or like to share your setup, please respond. Thanks, Ramin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: courier,cyrus,imap
> Incidentally, does anyone know of a good link that explains > the differences between uw-imap, courier, and cyrus? Their feature pages, and the source. :) [ Their feature pages are quite good; I have ended up with Courier IMAP and recommend it highly. ] - Jeff -- "Can we have a special TELSABUG category, and everything gets dropped to fix them first?" - Telsa Gwynne
Re: courier,cyrus,imap
> Incidentally, does anyone know of a good link that explains > the differences between uw-imap, courier, and cyrus? Their feature pages, and the source. :) [ Their feature pages are quite good; I have ended up with Courier IMAP and recommend it highly. ] - Jeff -- "Can we have a special TELSABUG category, and everything gets dropped to fix them first?" - Telsa Gwynne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
courier,cyrus,imap
Incidentally, does anyone know of a good link that explains the differences between uw-imap, courier, and cyrus? -- Jean-Paul Stewart Senior Systems Administrator CarbonMedia, Inc. 114 East 25th Street, Eighth Floor New York, NY 10010 Phone: 212.253.7180 Fax: 212.253.8467 http://www.carbonmedia.com/
courier,cyrus,imap
Incidentally, does anyone know of a good link that explains the differences between uw-imap, courier, and cyrus? -- Jean-Paul Stewart Senior Systems Administrator CarbonMedia, Inc. 114 East 25th Street, Eighth Floor New York, NY 10010 Phone: 212.253.7180 Fax: 212.253.8467 http://www.carbonmedia.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: courier-imap + ldap
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:43:07PM +0200, Pascal Pucci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 27 lines which said: > The documentation to install a mail service with ldap + courrier-imap + > postfix or sendmail or exim. > > Sorry it's in French. You forgot the address: http://www.alcove-labs.org/en/documents/install_mail/comment_installer_un_serveur_multidomaine_avec_ldap.php3 You mention that directly using LDAP is faster than going through PAM. Any hard data? Could you post the result of benchmarks?
Re: courier-imap + ldap
> > i can't get working autentyfication by courier authldap. > > Courier-IMAP works here against an OpenLDAP server, through > PAM. Wouldn't it be a better idea? You can too use Ldap directly from courrier Imap : See the Patch of Luc Saillar : http://www.alcove-labs.org/en/patches/courier-imap/index.php3 The documentation to install a mail service with ldap + courrier-imap + postfix or sendmail or exim. Sorry it's in French. You can (maybe) use a manchine translation : http://tr.voila.fr good luck -- Pascal Pucci : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recommander un site à ses amis : http://www.BeeTell.com Participer à la promotion du logiciel libre : http://www.linuxpien.org http://www.pascalou.org, sur le portable : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: courier-imap + ldap
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:43:07PM +0200, Pascal Pucci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 27 lines which said: > The documentation to install a mail service with ldap + courrier-imap + postfix or >sendmail or exim. > > Sorry it's in French. You forgot the address: http://www.alcove-labs.org/en/documents/install_mail/comment_installer_un_serveur_multidomaine_avec_ldap.php3 You mention that directly using LDAP is faster than going through PAM. Any hard data? Could you post the result of benchmarks? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: courier-imap + ldap
> > i can't get working autentyfication by courier authldap. > > Courier-IMAP works here against an OpenLDAP server, through > PAM. Wouldn't it be a better idea? You can too use Ldap directly from courrier Imap : See the Patch of Luc Saillar : http://www.alcove-labs.org/en/patches/courier-imap/index.php3 The documentation to install a mail service with ldap + courrier-imap + postfix or sendmail or exim. Sorry it's in French. You can (maybe) use a manchine translation : http://tr.voila.fr good luck -- Pascal Pucci : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recommander un site à ses amis : http://www.BeeTell.com Participer à la promotion du logiciel libre : http://www.linuxpien.org http://www.pascalou.org, sur le portable : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: courier-imap + ldap
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 02:51:16PM +0200, bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 15 lines which said: > i can't get working autentyfication by courier authldap. Courier-IMAP works here against an OpenLDAP server, through PAM. Wouldn't it be a better idea?
Re: courier-imap + ldap
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 02:51:16PM +0200, bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 15 lines which said: > i can't get working autentyfication by courier authldap. Courier-IMAP works here against an OpenLDAP server, through PAM. Wouldn't it be a better idea? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
courier-imap + ldap
i can't get working autentyfication by courier authldap. it look's like this module don't want to start at all. (i have 511 level of dubug of ldap , and can't see any logs after imap session) what is worth, when authldap is my first autentification module imap disconecting stright after command "xx LOGIN " any idea?
courier-imap + ldap
i can't get working autentyfication by courier authldap. it look's like this module don't want to start at all. (i have 511 level of dubug of ldap , and can't see any logs after imap session) what is worth, when authldap is my first autentification module imap disconecting stright after command "xx LOGIN " any idea? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
> apt-get source courier should do the trick with a properly configured apt. > > I will try to package 0.32 later today. Ah, thanks very much! Much confusion over the odd versioning. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://lazarus.aphid.net/ -- "It's only ironic because it's true." - Reflexive irony, overheard.
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:15:41 +1100, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> As far as I know, Stefan just recently uploaded them to unstable and
>> is now on vacation. I found the packages on
>> http://incoming.debian.org/. Sources are there too.
>
>Revisiting this thread. :)
>
>Seems the binary packages are in, but the source packages are not... Or is
>this just me being unobservant?
All binary packages for courier are built from a single source, which
is in
pool/main/c/courier/courier_0.31.1.{orig.tar.gz|-2.diff.gz|-2.dsc}.
apt-get source courier should do the trick with a properly configured
apt.
I will try to package 0.32 later today.
Greetings
Marc
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Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
> apt-get source courier should do the trick with a properly configured apt. > > I will try to package 0.32 later today. Ah, thanks very much! Much confusion over the odd versioning. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://lazarus.aphid.net/ -- "It's only ironic because it's true." - Reflexive irony, overheard. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:15:41 +1100, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> As far as I know, Stefan just recently uploaded them to unstable and
>> is now on vacation. I found the packages on
>> http://incoming.debian.org/. Sources are there too.
>
>Revisiting this thread. :)
>
>Seems the binary packages are in, but the source packages are not... Or is
>this just me being unobservant?
All binary packages for courier are built from a single source, which
is in
pool/main/c/courier/courier_0.31.1.{orig.tar.gz|-2.diff.gz|-2.dsc}.
apt-get source courier should do the trick with a properly configured
apt.
I will try to package 0.32 later today.
Greetings
Marc
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Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
> As far as I know, Stefan just recently uploaded them to unstable and > is now on vacation. I found the packages on > http://incoming.debian.org/. Sources are there too. Revisiting this thread. :) Seems the binary packages are in, but the source packages are not... Or is this just me being unobservant? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://lazarus.aphid.net/ -- "Boys will be boys, hackers will be hackers, geeks will be geeks, and cyberpunks will always just be ravers with Macintoshes." - Monkey Master, Crackmonkey
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
> As far as I know, Stefan just recently uploaded them to unstable and > is now on vacation. I found the packages on > http://incoming.debian.org/. Sources are there too. Revisiting this thread. :) Seems the binary packages are in, but the source packages are not... Or is this just me being unobservant? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://lazarus.aphid.net/ -- "Boys will be boys, hackers will be hackers, geeks will be geeks, and cyberpunks will always just be ravers with Macintoshes." - Monkey Master, Crackmonkey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:57:33 +1100, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I use courier-imap and courier-pop from Stefan Hornburg's brand new >> packages that I backported to potato. I could make my potato .debs >> available (for use at your own risk) and even give a working >> configuration, if you are interested. > >That would be great -> where are the news debs? Still waiting to enter >unstable? As far as I know, Stefan just recently uploaded them to unstable and is now on vacation. I found the packages on http://incoming.debian.org/. Sources are there too. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:35:04 + (GMT), Gavin Hamill > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> had problems with many concurrent connections. I am very eager to try out > >> the courier pop3 server, and the imap server also, but havent sofar > >> managed to compile in MySQL support, which is necessary for us. > > > >I have only ever managed to get courier-imap 1.1 working.. anything newer > >and it fails to detect the mysql headers and libraries.. I've also had > >practically no help whatsoever from the IMAP author who simply said about > >setting env variables (which I had already tried...) > > I use courier-imap and courier-pop from Stefan Hornburg's brand new > packages that I backported to potato. I could make my potato .debs > available (for use at your own risk) and even give a working > configuration, if you are interested. > > Greetings > Marc > > -- I would also be very interested in those, as I have tried time and again to compile it with working mysql and failed. Regards Roger - Roger Abrahamsson, Sys/Net Admin, Obbit AB Radhusespl.17D, S-90328 Umea, Sweden -
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
> I use courier-imap and courier-pop from Stefan Hornburg's brand new > packages that I backported to potato. I could make my potato .debs > available (for use at your own risk) and even give a working > configuration, if you are interested. That would be great -> where are the news debs? Still waiting to enter unstable? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://lazarus.aphid.net/ -- "Life is short. Forgive quickly. Kiss slowly." - Robert Doisneau
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:35:04 + (GMT), Gavin Hamill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> had problems with many concurrent connections. I am very eager to try out >> the courier pop3 server, and the imap server also, but havent sofar >> managed to compile in MySQL support, which is necessary for us. > >I have only ever managed to get courier-imap 1.1 working.. anything newer >and it fails to detect the mysql headers and libraries.. I've also had >practically no help whatsoever from the IMAP author who simply said about >setting env variables (which I had already tried...) I use courier-imap and courier-pop from Stefan Hornburg's brand new packages that I backported to potato. I could make my potato .debs available (for use at your own risk) and even give a working configuration, if you are interested. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:57:33 +1100, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I use courier-imap and courier-pop from Stefan Hornburg's brand new >> packages that I backported to potato. I could make my potato .debs >> available (for use at your own risk) and even give a working >> configuration, if you are interested. > >That would be great -> where are the news debs? Still waiting to enter >unstable? As far as I know, Stefan just recently uploaded them to unstable and is now on vacation. I found the packages on http://incoming.debian.org/. Sources are there too. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:35:04 + (GMT), Gavin Hamill > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> had problems with many concurrent connections. I am very eager to try out > >> the courier pop3 server, and the imap server also, but havent sofar > >> managed to compile in MySQL support, which is necessary for us. > > > >I have only ever managed to get courier-imap 1.1 working.. anything newer > >and it fails to detect the mysql headers and libraries.. I've also had > >practically no help whatsoever from the IMAP author who simply said about > >setting env variables (which I had already tried...) > > I use courier-imap and courier-pop from Stefan Hornburg's brand new > packages that I backported to potato. I could make my potato .debs > available (for use at your own risk) and even give a working > configuration, if you are interested. > > Greetings > Marc > > -- I would also be very interested in those, as I have tried time and again to compile it with working mysql and failed. Regards Roger - Roger Abrahamsson, Sys/Net Admin, Obbit AB Radhusespl.17D, S-90328 Umea, Sweden - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
> I use courier-imap and courier-pop from Stefan Hornburg's brand new > packages that I backported to potato. I could make my potato .debs > available (for use at your own risk) and even give a working > configuration, if you are interested. That would be great -> where are the news debs? Still waiting to enter unstable? - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://lazarus.aphid.net/ -- "Life is short. Forgive quickly. Kiss slowly." - Robert Doisneau -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:35:04 + (GMT), Gavin Hamill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> had problems with many concurrent connections. I am very eager to try out >> the courier pop3 server, and the imap server also, but havent sofar >> managed to compile in MySQL support, which is necessary for us. > >I have only ever managed to get courier-imap 1.1 working.. anything newer >and it fails to detect the mysql headers and libraries.. I've also had >practically no help whatsoever from the IMAP author who simply said about >setting env variables (which I had already tried...) I use courier-imap and courier-pop from Stefan Hornburg's brand new packages that I backported to potato. I could make my potato .debs available (for use at your own risk) and even give a working configuration, if you are interested. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
> had problems with many concurrent connections. I am very eager to try out > the courier pop3 server, and the imap server also, but havent sofar > managed to compile in MySQL support, which is necessary for us. I have only ever managed to get courier-imap 1.1 working.. anything newer and it fails to detect the mysql headers and libraries.. I've also had practically no help whatsoever from the IMAP author who simply said about setting env variables (which I had already tried...) Actually patching 1.1 wasn't a problem, but making a .deb was a mighty pain in the ass :) gdh
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm using the unstable courier-imap packages recompiled on potato as my IMAP > server, but I'm getting more and more requests for POP3. Supposedly there's > POP3 support in version 1.3.4, but (and this surprised me greatly) it isn't > in unstable yet. > > What can people recommend as a POP3 server that works with Maildir? > > Thanks! > > - Jeff > I can only warn about solid-pop3d. We tried it here and it showed big problems. it could take up to 30 seconds in authentication, and it also had problems with many concurrent connections. I am very eager to try out the courier pop3 server, and the imap server also, but havent sofar managed to compile in MySQL support, which is necessary for us. /Roger Abrahamsson - Roger Abrahamsson, Sys/Net Admin, Obbit AB Radhusespl.17D, S-90328 Umea, Sweden -
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
> > Hi all, > > > What can people recommend as a POP3 server that works with Maildir? > > qmail :) > > It ships with a POP3 server that's one of the fastest and tightest out > there :) > > Indeed, you could probably get away with using just it's pop3 server and > keep your existing MTA :) Also cyrus. Cheers. James Tyson --- Samizdat New Media Solutions
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
> qmail :) I didn't think I'd have to specify DFSG. :) - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://lazarus.aphid.net/ -- "The ability to procrastinate is what separates us from the machines." - Chris Gregory, Desktop Magazine
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hi all, > What can people recommend as a POP3 server that works with Maildir? qmail :) It ships with a POP3 server that's one of the fastest and tightest out there :) Indeed, you could probably get away with using just it's pop3 server and keep your existing MTA :) gdh
IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
Hi all, I'm using the unstable courier-imap packages recompiled on potato as my IMAP server, but I'm getting more and more requests for POP3. Supposedly there's POP3 support in version 1.3.4, but (and this surprised me greatly) it isn't in unstable yet. What can people recommend as a POP3 server that works with Maildir? Thanks! - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://lazarus.aphid.net/ -- "Everyone says they like Free Software - not everyone is ready to make the tough choices to make it happen." - Maciej Stachowiak, GNOME Hacker
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
> had problems with many concurrent connections. I am very eager to try out > the courier pop3 server, and the imap server also, but havent sofar > managed to compile in MySQL support, which is necessary for us. I have only ever managed to get courier-imap 1.1 working.. anything newer and it fails to detect the mysql headers and libraries.. I've also had practically no help whatsoever from the IMAP author who simply said about setting env variables (which I had already tried...) Actually patching 1.1 wasn't a problem, but making a .deb was a mighty pain in the ass :) gdh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IMAP/POP3 + Maildir
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm using the unstable courier-imap packages recompiled on potato as my IMAP > server, but I'm getting more and more requests for POP3. Supposedly there's > POP3 support in version 1.3.4, but (and this surprised me greatly) it isn't > in unstable yet. > > What can people recommend as a POP3 server that works with Maildir? > > Thanks! > > - Jeff > I can only warn about solid-pop3d. We tried it here and it showed big problems. it could take up to 30 seconds in authentication, and it also had problems with many concurrent connections. I am very eager to try out the courier pop3 server, and the imap server also, but havent sofar managed to compile in MySQL support, which is necessary for us. /Roger Abrahamsson - Roger Abrahamsson, Sys/Net Admin, Obbit AB Radhusespl.17D, S-90328 Umea, Sweden - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
