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Problems with KDE

2002-09-13 Thread Markus Hansen
Hi.

I have KDE 2.2.2 on my computer and (nearly) everything works just fine.

Eccept for 2 things:

1) I can click on the DVD icon, it mounts and tries to start konqueror, but 
konqueror does not open!

2) Using konqueror for webbrowsing, it often uses too small fontswhich I 
cannot change!

I found out:
In Control Center/Country  Language I cannot 
enter a charset, the line is always empty.
I also can't do this in konqueror.
These functions 1) click icon 2) use the right size for Fonts and the line in 
charset do work, using another user.
But as my computer is used as a one-person-pc I have a very nice 
userenvironment and it would take very long to put everything into the 
another profile. If I would just copy every file I think I would also copy 
the errors which occur.
I think the problem can be solved by changing something in
/home/user/.kde, but I don't know that much about KDE to know what to do.
Has anyone an idea?

Thank you very much and regards
Markus




kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread r
Is there any light in the tunnel for kde3 being uploaded in Sid some day, 
some year or so? 

I might be sounding a bit negative but haven't seen any progress or some 
sort of status from the maintaineres for some while now.. Is it still 
the transition to gcc 3.X that slows debians progress to be a useful desktop 
system? 

Cheers
/Robert 




Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread James Lindenschmidt
Hear, hear. I'm sad to say that if this (and GNOME 2.x) doesn't happen 
soon, I'll have to switch to another distro, despite how much I appreciate 
Debian.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] Spoke Thusly:
 Is there any light in the tunnel for kde3 being uploaded in Sid some
 day, some year or so?

 I might be sounding a bit negative but haven't seen any progress or some
 sort of status from the maintaineres for some while now.. Is it
 still the transition to gcc 3.X that slows debians progress to be a
 useful desktop system?

 Cheers
 /Robert

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]   

random head noise or ...?
http://jwl.blogspot.com




Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread r



Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread r
Sorry for the empty mess. 

Geezzz I know. But as you state yourself it's not in SID, it for sure works 
with SID but it's official packages, even though that the packages you are 
refering to are mostly created by the package maintenars for kde in debian. 
What is holding back kde3 from being uploaded in SED then? 

I don't want to go on a apt-get find the right apt-get lines for today 
crusade. I don't want to go find packages in some rpm-findish way. I whant 
them in my standard apt-get lines, like the way all other packages are 
maintained. . 

Geez you can get the packages easily for sid. Even kde has the packages
hosted and did from the moment kde 3.0.3 came out and kde 3.0.1-3.0.2 has
been available for a while now and the locations have been publicized in a
number of locations. Just add the apt lines and install it. I have been
running kde 3.0.x in debian sid for a while now without any problems.




koffice 1.2 for woody

2002-09-13 Thread Benoit Mortier
hi all,

i just finished compiling koffice for woody

the packages are on 

deb http://www.opensides.be/kde3/ ./

full instruction in in http://www.opensides.be, menu debian

have fun
-- 
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Benoit Mortier - Linux Engineer




Logout, Shutdown, Reboot

2002-09-13 Thread Tamas Greguss
Hi!
I use KDE 2.2.2 and when I choose Logout, it asks if I really want to 
logout but there is no options to choose shutdown or reboot, too.
I can do shutdown or reboot only from KDM.
How can I configure KDE to ask me at logout if I want logout, shutdown, 
or reboot? I couldn't find such a setting in KDE Control Center, but I 
do know that it is possible because I saw it in another distribution 
(Mandrake Linux).

Thanks,
GregTom



Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020913 14:13]:
 I don't want to go on a apt-get find the right apt-get lines for today 
 crusade. I don't want to go find packages in some rpm-findish way. I whant 
 them in my standard apt-get lines, like the way all other packages are 
 maintained. . 

i would say the kid has a point there.

- the kde3 packages work better then the old ones which were/are in
  unstable
- kde is an improtant part (for me alt last) of a distro
- the bug tracking system is there to help the maintainer, not to
  make him feel threatend by open bugs, so let us use it for
  kde3, too!
- big upcoming trasitions (menu system, c++) need to be done if
  the packages are in debian or not
- this is what unstable is there for (and again: these packages
  are less unstable then the ones in stable. (c: )




RE: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread David Pastern
gnome 1.4 and 2.2 do me just fine, there wasn't a huge lot of extras from
what i've seen in kde 3 over kde 2.2.  And last time i checked out
(admittedly a month ago or so) gnome 2 was extremely unstable.  I can't
justify changing o/s just cos of the version of kde/gnome that it's running.
What matters is the distribution as a whole package.  I don't think i could
ever go back to rh/suse/mandrake again :-) I like Debian, I like the fact
that other users (contrary to my very first post - we'll ignore that) are
extremely helpful.  And the bonus is i'm having to work, to get things
working, which means i learn more.  

Dave

-Original Message-
From: James Lindenschmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 13 September 2002 10:02 PM
To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org; David Pastern
Subject: Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?


 
Hear, hear. I'm sad to say that if this (and GNOME 2.x) doesn't happen 
soon, I'll have to switch to another distro, despite how much I appreciate 
Debian.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] Spoke Thusly:
 Is there any light in the tunnel for kde3 being uploaded in Sid some
 day, some year or so?

 I might be sounding a bit negative but haven't seen any progress or some
 sort of status from the maintaineres for some while now.. Is it
 still the transition to gcc 3.X that slows debians progress to be a
 useful desktop system?

 Cheers
 /Robert

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random head noise or ...?
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Fwd: Re: Logout, Shutdown, Reboot

2002-09-13 Thread malcolm . hunter
Let's try posting to the list... :¬)

Regards,
Malcolm

  I use KDE 2.2.2 and when I choose Logout, it asks if I really want to 
  logout but there is no options to choose shutdown or reboot, too.
  I can do shutdown or reboot only from KDM.
  How can I configure KDE to ask me at logout if I want logout, shutdown, 
  or reboot? I couldn't find such a setting in KDE Control Center, but I 
  do know that it is possible because I saw it in another distribution 
  (Mandrake Linux).
 
 In Control Center - System - Login Manager, Sessions tab:
 
 Allow Shutdown, Console should be set to Everyone.
 
 Regards,
 Malcolm

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RE: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread James Lindenschmidt
Though I wouldn't know from experience, by most accounts I've heard KDE 
3.x has several advantages over KDE 2.x, speed and stability being two. Of 
course, the improved eye candy doesn't hurt either (so much for speed! 
LOL).

You raise some good points. I am quite productive in KDE 2.2.2, but many 
of the applications I am using have moved to KDE 3.x, and as such I don't 
get bug fixes and/or new features since KDE 3 isn't yet in sid. 

I am definitely a non-geek end-user type, with a strong ethical commitment 
to Free software, which is why I turned to Debian in the first place. I 
would love to run LibraNet, but they seem to want to not have users, since 
they don't allow downloads of their latest versions. This seems contrary 
to the spirit of the GPL to me (though it is apparently within the 'letter 
of the law') :-(

I agree that I don't relish going back to RedHat, but it looks to me that 
RH8 may have what I need as an end-user type. But I would certainly miss 
apt-get.

Jim

David Pastern Spoke Thusly:
 gnome 1.4 and 2.2 do me just fine, there wasn't a huge lot of extras
 from what i've seen in kde 3 over kde 2.2.  And last time i checked out
 (admittedly a month ago or so) gnome 2 was extremely unstable.  I can't
 justify changing o/s just cos of the version of kde/gnome that it's
 running. What matters is the distribution as a whole package.  I don't
 think i could ever go back to rh/suse/mandrake again :-) I like Debian,
 I like the fact that other users (contrary to my very first post - we'll
 ignore that) are extremely helpful.  And the bonus is i'm having to
 work, to get things working, which means i learn more.

 Dave

 -Original Message-
 From: James Lindenschmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, 13 September 2002 10:02 PM
 To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org; David Pastern
 Subject: Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?



 Hear, hear. I'm sad to say that if this (and GNOME 2.x) doesn't happen
 soon, I'll have to switch to another distro, despite how much I
 appreciate Debian.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spoke Thusly:
  Is there any light in the tunnel for kde3 being uploaded in Sid some
  day, some year or so?
 
  I might be sounding a bit negative but haven't seen any progress or
  some sort of status from the maintaineres for some while now.. Is
  it still the transition to gcc 3.X that slows debians progress to be a
  useful desktop system?
 
  Cheers
  /Robert

-- 
James Lindenschmidt 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   

random head noise or ...?
http://jwl.blogspot.com




Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread Chris Halls
On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:32:45PM +0100, Paul Cupis wrote:
 I notice that people have stopped asking when X4.2 will be in sid, and when 
 openoffice.org will be in sid... [and no, I'm not asking now, either]

FYI:

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:33:11 -0400
From: Debian Installer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: openoffice.org_1.0.1-5_i386.changes is NEW

(new) openoffice.org-bin_1.0.1-5_i386.deb optional contrib/editors
...

We really did upload it already (compiled against gcc3.2 in unstable), it is
stuck waiting for approval...

Chris


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KDevelop and documentation for KDE and QT, How?

2002-09-13 Thread Pablo de Vicente
Hello,

 I am running KDevelop 2.1.3, and I miss the KDE library documentation at the 
left navigation panel. In former versions, I could unfold a tree with the 
list of classes for QT and KDE. Now I can only browse the QT documentation 
form the centralpanel. 

I have also installed htdig, and doxygen. For the first one I have followed 
the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kdevelop/README-htdig.Debian and the 
search engine works fine. I have read in this list that doxygen is necessary 
for the documentation, but I am unsuccesfull browsing the documentatino form 
KDevelop. I even select the path where the documentation for KDE is, but 
KDevelop does not recongnize the directory as valid.

Thanks in advance

Pablo de Vicente.




Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread Brian Nelson
Paul Cupis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Friday 13 September 2002 12:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is there any light in the tunnel for kde3 being uploaded in Sid some day,
 some year or so?

 I might be sounding a bit negative but haven't seen any progress or some
 sort of status from the maintaineres for some while now.. Is it still
 the transition to gcc 3.X that slows debians progress to be a useful
 desktop system?

 kde3 will go into sid when the gcc3.2 transiton is over/complete. KDE is very 
 much a C++-based system and there is little point uploading it using
 gcc3.1 
 ^^^ 2.95

 and then reuploading/compiling it in X days/weeks when the gcc3.2 transition 
 happens. And it cannot be uploaded now as gcc3.2 becuase the ftp-masters will 
 not allow gcc3.2 libraries in until the DD's have worked out how to best deal 
 with gcc3.2.

 I think it is just a matter of being patient, or helping the developers 
 decide 
 how the gcc3.2 transition is going to happen, so that it can happen and kde3 
 can go in.

But isn't the point of the gcc transition to decide how to cleanly
migrate C++ stuff like KDE to the new ABI?  If KDE3 were uploaded, it
would just end up transitioning just like every other C++ library, like
Qt.

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Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread Nathan Waddell
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On Friday 13 September 2002 09:08 am, James Lindenschmidt wrote:
 Though I wouldn't know from experience, by most accounts I've heard KDE
 3.x has several advantages over KDE 2.x, speed and stability being two. Of
 course, the improved eye candy doesn't hurt either (so much for speed!
 LOL).

 I am running KDE 3.1 on debian sid, and it is nice and stable, and the speed 
is good, but I honestly don't believe that the desktop environment is faster 
as a whole - individual applications, like Konqueror's HTML rendering speed, 
yes, - but the overall 'snappiness' and memory usage is (AFAICT) about the 
same as 2.2.

 You raise some good points. I am quite productive in KDE 2.2.2, but many
 of the applications I am using have moved to KDE 3.x, and as such I don't
 get bug fixes and/or new features since KDE 3 isn't yet in sid.

 Yup. This is one of the reasons I moved up also.

 I am definitely a non-geek end-user type, with a strong ethical commitment
 to Free software, which is why I turned to Debian in the first place. I
 would love to run LibraNet, but they seem to want to not have users, since
 they don't allow downloads of their latest versions. This seems contrary
 to the spirit of the GPL to me (though it is apparently within the 'letter
 of the law') :-(

 The spirit of the GPL is not to give away software for free. That's free as 
in free beer. The spirit of the GPL is that the source is always included, 
and you can do what you like with your own software. That's free as in 
freedom. 

 I agree that I don't relish going back to RedHat, but it looks to me that
 RH8 may have what I need as an end-user type. But I would certainly miss
 apt-get.

 IMHO, RedHat is not more bleeding-edge than Debian. They're just crazy 
enough to release software that still has major bugs - that the upstream (the 
folks who work on individual projects like Gnome, KDE, E, gcc, etc.) are 
issuing warnings about. I'd rather have a stable OS that works as it should 
than one that looks really cool if and when it runs. That's why most 
ex-windoze linux users converted to using Linux, right? For the stability.

 IMNSHO, the RedHat Package Manager is far less powerful and flexible than 
Debian's dpkg. Forcing users to go searching for RPM's that may or may not 
have that dependency you need to compile/run an important program is idiocy. 
The situation is worsened because of all the RPM's that are built by upstream 
authors who may or may not adhere to the FSH and the LSB. Heck, Suse is 
different enough from RedHat to cause wierd problems with some 
distributor-inspecific RPMs. My point is that Debian has FAR more pro's than 
con's. It will install and run on more architectures than many distributions, 
and if you stick with the potato or woody distribution, you are almost 
guaranteed that your software will run flawlessly. Sure, the version may be 
2.2 instead of 3.1, but that will be ameliorated when gcc-3.2 enters 
unstable/sid.  Don't get discouraged - and if you need more 'bleeding edge' 
unstable/sid, take a look at http://www.golum.org/aptgetlinks.shtml. That is 
my local LUG homepage, where we have published some of the more popular 
'unofficial' apt-getables. Just add the lines indicated to your 
/etc/apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade. When the unofficial packages enter 
sid, just remove the line. It doesn't get much easier than that.

Nathan


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Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread Frank Van Damme
On Friday 13 September 2002 18:58, Nathan Waddell wrote:
  IMNSHO, the RedHat Package Manager is far less powerful and flexible than
 Debian's dpkg. Forcing users to go searching for RPM's that may or may not
 have that dependency you need to compile/run an important program is
 idiocy.

IMELHO (In My Even Less Humble Opinion) this has nothing to do with dpkg vs. 
rpm but rather with apt vs. non-apt. Redhat doesn't support Apt (because they 
sell a service that does the same?). Debian does (duh). There is apt for rpm 
too, see Connectiva (and it also works with Mandrake afaik).

-- 
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2002-09-13 Thread Russell Coker
I've noticed that a few people here are signing messages with keys that are 
not published.

If your key is not in the major key servers then there's no point in signing a 
message to a public list.  It just wastes bandwidth.

There are two good solutions to this problem, one is to not sign the message, 
the other is to upload your key.  Both solutions are easy to implement.

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Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread Paul Cupis
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On Friday 13 September 2002 15:20, Chris Halls wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:32:45PM +0100, Paul Cupis wrote:
  I notice that people have stopped asking when X4.2 will be in sid, and
  when openoffice.org will be in sid... [and no, I'm not asking now,
  either]

 FYI:

 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:33:11 -0400
 From: Debian Installer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: openoffice.org_1.0.1-5_i386.changes is NEW

 (new) openoffice.org-bin_1.0.1-5_i386.deb optional contrib/editors
 ...

 We really did upload it already (compiled against gcc3.2 in unstable), it
 is stuck waiting for approval...

Hi Chris,

Yeah, I know it was updated, and I know about the 
libstlport/gcc3.2/openoffice.org thing et cetera, and I know it is ready (in 
and of itself) to go into Debian - I am very happy with the current packages 
(I've been running them since Peter's first package and subscribe to 
debian-openoffice).

I was just interested by the fact that people seemed have learned to wait for 
X4.2 and openoffice.org to get into sid, but still keep asking about kde3.

Not that I have any problem with people asking for updates, either.

P.S.: thanks for all the work you and the others have put into the 
openoffice.org debs, Chris.

Paul Cupis
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Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread Paul Cupis
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On Friday 13 September 2002 15:58, Matt Reynolds wrote:
 On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 08:32, Paul Cupis wrote:
  kde3 will go into sid when the gcc3.2 transiton is over/complete. KDE is
  very much a C++-based system and there is little point uploading it using
  gcc3.1 and then reuploading/compiling it in X days/weeks when the gcc3.2
  transition happens. And it cannot be uploaded now as gcc3.2 becuase the
  ftp-masters will not allow gcc3.2 libraries in until the DD's have worked
  out how to best deal with gcc3.2.
 
  I think it is just a matter of being patient, or helping the developers
  decide how the gcc3.2 transition is going to happen, so that it can
  happen and kde3 can go in.
 
  I notice that people have stopped asking when X4.2 will be in sid, and
  when openoffice.org will be in sid... [and no, I'm not asking now,
  either]

 One of the reasons I haven't complained or queried about X4.2 is that
 Branden is very good about replying to list complaints, releasing, and
 publicizing his releases.

 Visibility and transparency in the packaging process seems to keep the
 wolves at bay.  While I'm happier with 4.2's packaging, I would still
 *love* to see dates associated with the actions taken on list(s).  Not a
 schedule, but just a here's what we've done so far timeline.  This
 keeps everyone on the same page, and could even help remove duplicated
 effort, IMNSHO.

You do, of course have a good point and I thank you for your feedback. There 
is already an (under-publicised) kde faq, at 
http://www.davidpashley.com/debian-kde though I'm not certain from memory 
that it has this type of information.

It is obvious now that it should, and I will work with the maintainer and the 
debian-kde folk to get that information into the faq. I will probably also 
see about getting the faq a bit more publicity than the occasional mention 
here and the references to it on #debian-kde/#debian.

Thank you,

Paul Cupis
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Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread David Pashley
Brian Nelson said, and I quote:
 
 But isn't the point of the gcc transition to decide how to cleanly
 migrate C++ stuff like KDE to the new ABI?  If KDE3 were uploaded, it
 would just end up transitioning just like every other C++ library, like
 Qt.
 

If I understand the current draft transistion plan, every C++ package
will need a c added to the package name a la the libc5 - libc6
transition. This can be dropped when the sonames is updated

AIUI, most(all?) of the KDE libs have had their sonames bumped so we do
not need to do this if we put KDE 3 in to a post transition sid, but we
will have to wait until KDE4 before we can drop the c from the package
names if we put it in a pre-transition sid.


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Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread David Pashley
Frank Van Damme said, and I quote:
 On Friday 13 September 2002 18:58, Nathan Waddell wrote:
   IMNSHO, the RedHat Package Manager is far less powerful and flexible than
  Debian's dpkg. Forcing users to go searching for RPM's that may or may not
  have that dependency you need to compile/run an important program is
  idiocy.
 
 IMELHO (In My Even Less Humble Opinion) this has nothing to do with dpkg vs. 
 rpm but rather with apt vs. non-apt. Redhat doesn't support Apt (because they 
 sell a service that does the same?). Debian does (duh). There is apt for rpm 
 too, see Connectiva (and it also works with Mandrake afaik).
 
I think you too are mistaken. What makes Debian better than most
distributions is policy (and lintian/linda) and the fact that most
software has already been packaged so you don;t need to search for
packages which may or may not work with your version of linux.

Policy has the nice effect of making sure that debian packages work well
together. The other nice advantage is that debian packages don't have to
try and work on 50 different distributions.


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Re: KDevelop and documentation for KDE and QT, How?

2002-09-13 Thread David Pashley
Pablo de Vicente said, and I quote:
 Hello,
 
  I am running KDevelop 2.1.3, and I miss the KDE library documentation at the 
 left navigation panel. In former versions, I could unfold a tree with the 
 list of classes for QT and KDE. Now I can only browse the QT documentation 
 form the centralpanel. 
 
 I have also installed htdig, and doxygen. For the first one I have followed 
 the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kdevelop/README-htdig.Debian and the 
 search engine works fine. I have read in this list that doxygen is necessary 
 for the documentation, but I am unsuccesfull browsing the documentatino form 
 KDevelop. I even select the path where the documentation for KDE is, but 
 KDevelop does not recongnize the directory as valid.
 
About 3 weeks before KDE 3.0.0 was released, KDE developers changed the
program used to generate the documentation. Previously they used kdoc.
They have since moved to doxygen, which produces different documentation

Kdevelop for KDE3 did not have time to change to the new docs format.

I think you will have to wait for an updated kdevelop 2.x or wait for
Gideon.

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Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread David Pashley
Paul Cupis said, and I quote:
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 On Friday 13 September 2002 15:58, Matt Reynolds wrote:
  On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 08:32, Paul Cupis wrote:
   kde3 will go into sid when the gcc3.2 transiton is over/complete. KDE is
   very much a C++-based system and there is little point uploading it using
   gcc3.1 and then reuploading/compiling it in X days/weeks when the gcc3.2
   transition happens. And it cannot be uploaded now as gcc3.2 becuase the
   ftp-masters will not allow gcc3.2 libraries in until the DD's have worked
   out how to best deal with gcc3.2.
  
   I think it is just a matter of being patient, or helping the developers
   decide how the gcc3.2 transition is going to happen, so that it can
   happen and kde3 can go in.
  
   I notice that people have stopped asking when X4.2 will be in sid, and
   when openoffice.org will be in sid... [and no, I'm not asking now,
   either]
 
  One of the reasons I haven't complained or queried about X4.2 is that
  Branden is very good about replying to list complaints, releasing, and
  publicizing his releases.
 
  Visibility and transparency in the packaging process seems to keep the
  wolves at bay.  While I'm happier with 4.2's packaging, I would still
  *love* to see dates associated with the actions taken on list(s).  Not a
  schedule, but just a here's what we've done so far timeline.  This
  keeps everyone on the same page, and could even help remove duplicated
  effort, IMNSHO.

KDE 3.0.3 is packaged and apart from a KDE 3.0.4 release, the KDE 3.0.x
branch is pretty much finished packaging wise. calc and others are now
working on KDE 3.1 packaging. 

KDE 3.x will be in sid once the GCC transition plan has been worked out
and started. This is kind of out of our hands.

 
 You do, of course have a good point and I thank you for your feedback. There 
 is already an (under-publicised) kde faq, at 
 http://www.davidpashley.com/debian-kde though I'm not certain from memory 
 that it has this type of information.
 
 It is obvious now that it should, and I will work with the maintainer and the 
 debian-kde folk to get that information into the faq. I will probably also 
 see about getting the faq a bit more publicity than the occasional mention 
 here and the references to it on #debian-kde/#debian.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Paul Cupis
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Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread Karolina Lindqvist
fredagen den 13 september 2002 22.33 skrev David Pashley:

 AIUI, most(all?) of the KDE libs have had their sonames bumped so we do
 not need to do this if we put KDE 3 in to a post transition sid, but we
 will have to wait until KDE4 before we can drop the c from the package
 names if we put it in a pre-transition sid.

This sounds like trouble waiting to happen. 

-- Karolina




Re: kde 3.* in sid will it ever happen?

2002-09-13 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls
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On Friday 13 September 2002 10:03 am, Frank Van Damme wrote:
 On Friday 13 September 2002 18:58, Nathan Waddell wrote:
   IMNSHO, the RedHat Package Manager is far less powerful and flexible
  than Debian's dpkg. Forcing users to go searching for RPM's that may or
  may not have that dependency you need to compile/run an important program
  is idiocy.

 IMELHO (In My Even Less Humble Opinion) this has nothing to do with dpkg
 vs. rpm but rather with apt vs. non-apt. Redhat doesn't support Apt
 (because they sell a service that does the same?). Debian does (duh). There
 is apt for rpm too, see Connectiva (and it also works with Mandrake afaik).

Actually, Red Hat does support apt.   I used it.  Nothing like seeing apt 
getting blahblahxx.RPM   :)

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