Re: KDE media players (was Re: Noatun crash at startup?)
* Alejandro Exojo [Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:35:02 +0200]: > deb http://darkshines.net/debian unstable amarok > The version is 0.99, but it corresponds to 1.0-beta1, which was released > yesterday. If new betas are released, I will name them 0.999, 0., etc. > (yes, probably not the best naming scheme, I know). So be aware it's a > beta!! ;-) You could use the scheme used by amule's maintainer: 1.2.6+2.0.0rc2-1. For amarok, that would read: 0.9+1.0beta1, which gives much more information than 0.99. (Well, since 0.99 already exists, you would have to use 0.99+1.0betaX.) Cheers. -- Adeodato Simó (a.k.a. thibaut) EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | IM: my_dato [jabber.org] | PK: DA6AE621 Patent inflation is not a victimless crime. -- NO to software patents http://swpat.ffii.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: KDE media players (was Re: Noatun crash at startup?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun April 11 2004 16:35, Alejandro Exojo wrote: > I agree. I was happy with noatun, but now I'm using very happily juk, > amarok, and kaffeine. > I am the ITP'er :-). The package isn't ready yet, but improving, so after > reading that, I will upload the package. Add this line to sources list: I thought it was you! I was too lazy to look it up at the moment though ;) > deb http://darkshines.net/debian unstable amarok > > The version is 0.99, but it corresponds to 1.0-beta1, which was released > yesterday. If new betas are released, I will name them 0.999, 0., etc. > (yes, probably not the best naming scheme, I know). So be aware it's a > beta!! ;-) Sweet! This version addresses some UI issues I had with it. For some reason, the streams I submitted haven't showed up in the list yet... > There are still one or two packaging issues, and gstreamer support is > disabled, because gstreamer 0.8 isn't yet uploaded to debian unstable. :-( I can't wait to check gstreamer out. I'm trying to take a break on rolling packages for a bit; tons of school work :( > > Are needed extra packages for that? Or should I do any extra configuration? Yes, there's a kaffeine-mozilla package that adds the plugin to mozilla, mozilla-firefox and mozilla-snapshot. It's not an awesome plugin though; all it does is either show you the URL to the clip or start kaffeine. > Great! I hope it enters in debian soon, but _AFAIK_, it's needed some time > since new packages are accepted. Remember how much time kde-i18n was stuck, > because it shipped new languages. Yeah, it was uploaded 6d ago so it should be there soon; but I'm patient. > Me too, and don't forget juK. It's really good. I may, but I generally don't like "media library" apps - I take pains to keep my music collection organized in the first place, so it really just wastes my time :) Ciao, - -- Zack Cerza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP Key ID: 9A8BE23F -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAebKwpkwJUpqL4j8RAsLWAJ92ro94q5o3nEcC/92tm/tdsbfZeQCfca/b hfIEO1gKs1lpEwUO2oEXULI= =Fmz9 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: KDE media players (was Re: Noatun crash at startup?)
El Domingo, 11 de Abril de 2004 02:22, Zack Cerza escribió: > On Sat April 10 2004 11:01, Tom wrote: > > On my desperate search for a decent music player > > I can't offer you any advice on Noatun (it's unusable for me as well) but I > can suggest a couple of alternatives. Neither are in Debian yet, but Intent > to Package (ITP)'s have been filed for both. I agree. I was happy with noatun, but now I'm using very happily juk, amarok, and kaffeine. > Amarok is a very nice music-only player for KDE with some fancy > visualizations and a nice playlist tool. It also has a built-in database of > streaming servers. I didn't file the ITP because I was beaten to it, but I > can't find that person's debs so you can try mine if you want. > http://amarok.sourceforge.net/ I am the ITP'er :-). The package isn't ready yet, but improving, so after reading that, I will upload the package. Add this line to sources list: deb http://darkshines.net/debian unstable amarok The version is 0.99, but it corresponds to 1.0-beta1, which was released yesterday. If new betas are released, I will name them 0.999, 0., etc. (yes, probably not the best naming scheme, I know). So be aware it's a beta!! ;-) There are still one or two packaging issues, and gstreamer support is disabled, because gstreamer 0.8 isn't yet uploaded to debian unstable. :-( > Kaffeine is a media player for KDE that's base on Xine, and thus supports > every audio and video format I've ever heard of. It can use MPlayer codecs. > It comes with a konqueror plugin that lets you open an embedded clip in a > full-fledged Kaffeine window, if you want. There's also a mozilla plugin. Are needed extra packages for that? Or should I do any extra configuration? > You can save streams and even rebroadcast them from inside Kaffeine. I > filed the ITP for this one, and my debs should be in Debian within the > week. If you just can't wait, grab the debs from my site. > http://kaffeine.sourceforge.net/ > > My debs: http://greenfs.mine.nu/files/debs/ Great! I hope it enters in debian soon, but _AFAIK_, it's needed some time since new packages are accepted. Remember how much time kde-i18n was stuck, because it shipped new languages. > P.S. Keep in mind that Kaffeine is very new. It's more stable than Noatun > (for me) but it can be a tad fragile at times. I use amarok for music and > Kaffeine for movies. Me too, and don't forget juK. It's really good. Best regards. -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) - GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://darkshines.net/ - Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpPHDtD3oyZe.pgp Description: signature
KDE media players (was Re: Noatun crash at startup?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat April 10 2004 11:01, Tom wrote: > On my desperate search for a decent music player I can't offer you any advice on Noatun (it's unusable for me as well) but I can suggest a couple of alternatives. Neither are in Debian yet, but Intent to Package (ITP)'s have been filed for both. Amarok is a very nice music-only player for KDE with some fancy visualizations and a nice playlist tool. It also has a built-in database of streaming servers. I didn't file the ITP because I was beaten to it, but I can't find that person's debs so you can try mine if you want. http://amarok.sourceforge.net/ Kaffeine is a media player for KDE that's base on Xine, and thus supports every audio and video format I've ever heard of. It can use MPlayer codecs. It comes with a konqueror plugin that lets you open an embedded clip in a full-fledged Kaffeine window, if you want. There's also a mozilla plugin. You can save streams and even rebroadcast them from inside Kaffeine. I filed the ITP for this one, and my debs should be in Debian within the week. If you just can't wait, grab the debs from my site. http://kaffeine.sourceforge.net/ My debs: http://greenfs.mine.nu/files/debs/ P.S. Keep in mind that Kaffeine is very new. It's more stable than Noatun (for me) but it can be a tad fragile at times. I use amarok for music and Kaffeine for movies. - -- Zack Cerza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP Key ID: 9A8BE23F -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAeI/0pkwJUpqL4j8RAgvoAJ40jR50yGpz1mVBcx6qahJ5A7+m8ACdHOV1 snWXlCu8PJFnftbNdSaJED4= =q/2R -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: KDE media players
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Dienstag, 15. April 2003 01:36 schrieb R. Rodriguez: > Hi. I just wanted to know why there are so many multimedia players for KDE. > Why do exist kaboodle, noatun, kplayer (named in the latest kde cvs > digest), kmplayer...?? Wouldn't be better just one GOOD player? (i'm not > saying those ones aren't good... but a joint effort could be more powerful > i think). This is one of the best ideas I habe heard in the last seven days! good night wolfgang - -- Und dann hat er Sie geküsst Wo das Meer zu Ende ist Ihre Lippen schwach und blass Und seine Augen werden nass Ramms+ein - Mutter - Nebel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+o1T0uEUiBhld/2URAoxiAJ9JahSUGoGIq0ryZ2HhAe2OPDPrsgCcDCBS hSBdI4Q8YnS3KGiGNvacA50= =Tvrm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: KDE media players
On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 11:01:51AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > arts/artsd package you have installed and try againe. > > ERROR: Communication problem with noatun, it probably crashed. > > Try apt-get install kdemultimedia-dev. Must beat calc into fixing this. Please beat the reason into me as well ;) I don't have kdemultimedia-dev installed and noatun is working fine here, which file is causing the problem then? Chris
Re: (full-duplex) Re: KDE media players
On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 10:09:02PM +0200, Lucas Moulin wrote: > But all the replies make me believe I was wrong on this point. I got > confused about mixing and full duplex terms, but again, I don't know if > a simple card can play two sources at a time. If someone could verify > that, that would clear my mind :) Lots of simple sound chips can do multichannel/mixing (whatever its called). For example the built-in sound on Via 8233/8235/8237 chipsets support 4 output channels. Chris
Re: KDE media players
On Wednesday 16 April 2003 11:48 am, Kevin Krammer wrote: > On Wednesday 16 April 2003 14:54, Lucas Moulin wrote: > > You misunderstoo. I said I can't use noatun without arts running. And > > my sound card doesn't work with arts, hence my problem :( > > The second part is the one I didn't understand. > Which driver are you using for your card? > Arts always worked with OSS and ALSA drivers on my machines. > > Cheers, > Kevin I actually already solved his issue with him off list. With the aureal drivers, you need to use the multi-threaded option in arts in order for it not to crash. Specifically, what's going on is that arts has an assert that is hit using standard oss, that isn't hit using threaded oss. And while (like all asserts) the condition shouldn't ever happen (it's a buffer allocation/buffer check, if you're interested), it does using the aureal. But it's not a showstopper, as I use it and it works fine (i.e., no odd sounds or anything). The only drawback is that if you leave your music paused for a long time, arts will hang and need to be restarted. To sum up: it's a bug in either the chipset or the driver, but a bug in arts allows it to be usable, with only minor inconvenience. I dearly hope this email will keep anyone else from having to trace through the arts and driver code to find out the whys and wherefores that arts + aureal == crashes, because frankly, it really sucked. -- MuMlutlitithtrhreeaadededd s siigngnatatuurere D.A.Bishop
Re: (full-duplex) Re: KDE media players
On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:49:22 +0200 Wolfgang Rohdewald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This defines simplex, half duplex, full duplex: > http://physinfo.ulb.ac.be/cit_courseware/datacomm/dc_014.htm > > This defines full duplex for sound cards (the same way) : > http://www.techtv.com/callforhelp/answerstips/story/0,24330,2236390,00.html I was looking at the same links actually ;) > Does anybody have a link which defines full duplex as > "combining two channels in the same direction"? (whatever - > multiplexing, adding, modulating...) I guess I mixed up some things with all those replies. As it is said on the 2nd link, "full duplex means that the sound card can make sound and receive sound at the same time". It's the same thing defintion as for a network ethernet card in fact. I was sure that playing two sources simultaneously was a thing you could do only with a full duplex card, because that's what I was told during my classes. As I haven't got a non-full duplex card, I couldn't werify that. But all the replies make me believe I was wrong on this point. I got confused about mixing and full duplex terms, but again, I don't know if a simple card can play two sources at a time. If someone could verify that, that would clear my mind :) Sorry for the bothering and/or the mess, -- Lucas Moulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Why go against tradition when we can admit defeat, live in decline, be the victim of our own design" -- NOFX pgp6LgxD4YOPp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: KDE media players
On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:48:06 +0200 Kevin Krammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The second part is the one I didn't understand. > Which driver are you using for your card? > Arts always worked with OSS and ALSA drivers on my machines. I'm using OSS. I didn't say OSS or ALSA doesn't work with arts, I mentioned the fact that my particular sound card has problems with arts. Someone on the list wrote me a mail to fix this, by changing an option in arts configuration, and now it works (well, ogg files just keep skipping, but the rest is OK). I wasn't saying arts has problems with Linux sound architectures. It has some just with my card. And I said I didn't like the fact that noatun requires a working arts server to be used, that's all. Hope it clears the situation, -- Lucas Moulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Why go against tradition when we can admit defeat, live in decline, be the victim of our own design" -- NOFX pgpiWVbmefvbu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: (full-duplex) Re: KDE media players
what about google? This defines simplex, half duplex, full duplex: http://physinfo.ulb.ac.be/cit_courseware/datacomm/dc_014.htm This defines full duplex for sound cards (the same way) : http://www.techtv.com/callforhelp/answerstips/story/0,24330,2236390,00.html Does anybody have a link which defines full duplex as "combining two channels in the same direction"? (whatever - multiplexing, adding, modulating...) Wolfgang
Re: KDE media players
On Wednesday 16 April 2003 14:54, Lucas Moulin wrote: > You misunderstoo. I said I can't use noatun without arts running. And > my sound card doesn't work with arts, hence my problem :( The second part is the one I didn't understand. Which driver are you using for your card? Arts always worked with OSS and ALSA drivers on my machines. Cheers, Kevin -- ~ Kevin Krammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Developer at the Kmud Project http://www.kmud.de/ ~ pgp73PVyiBIH1.pgp Description: signature pgpjsNW6W1Tt1.pgp Description: signature
Re: (full-duplex) Re: KDE media players
On Wednesday 16 April 2003 07:27 am, Lucas Moulin wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:45:14 +0100 (WET DST) > Joao Pedro Clemente <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Are you sure about this? I was pretty confident that "full duplex" > > meant being able to send & receive simultaneously... Like speaking to > > mic and listening to onother sound... > > Yes I am. Full duplex allows many things through 2 independent channels > : I'd like to ask the original question a little differently -- is "full duplex" an accepted phrase in the industry for this capability? It seems a definite migration from the more traditional meaning of full duplex, and I think we (everybody -- consumers, producers, alike) would benefit from using some different terminology, which would include the term "mixing". If full duplex is already an accepted industry term for this capability, that's unfortunate (IMHO). BTW: Re: "Full duplex allows many things through 2 independent channels" -- those many things ususally mean send and receive simultaneously. The capability being described here is to send (to the speakers) multiple things simultaneously on one of the channels, which is more of a mixing function. (I have no idea whether "ordinary" sound cards can also accept sound input from the mike and send that to the computer simultaneously with transmitting sounds from the computer to the speakers, nor whether, if not, a "new" "full duplex" sound card would have that capability. PS: I know in the above I am mixing two concepts of "channel" -- one being where the two channels are in opposite directions (send vs. receive), and one where a sound device, like a mixer, may have a large number of channels. Don't know if I've helped at all -- I guess I'm just trying to avoid more confusion of terminology. Maybe someone who knows more about those cards and that capability can provide more information. In the end, I guess all the sound comes out of one set of speakers, so by then, the signals are mixed. (Even if you have stereo or some five channel surround sound.) regards, Randy Kramer
Re: KDE media players
Dne st 16. dubna 2003 11:47 Tom Badran napsal(a): > On Wednesday 16 Apr 2003 10:22 am, Frank Van Damme wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 April 2003 05:59, Magnus von Koeller wrote: > > > Well, arts is a sound server. That means there can be multiple > > > clients, all sending audio data to the server. The server mixes these > > > multiple sound streams and plays them over your sound card. > > Which is already becoming obsolete due to the alsa drivers supporting > hardware mixers on most cards that have them, and also will be becoming the > default sound system in the 2.6 kernel. Doesn't work with onboard sound on Intel chipsets (in my case i845 chipset and ALSA). This is huge part of all soundcards. -- Petr Balas (petr at balas dot cz)
Re: (full-duplex) Re: KDE media players
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op woensdag 16 april 2003 12:45, schreef Joao Pedro Clemente: > > > For example, you can listen to music using Noatun but still hear > > > system sounds. If your sound card doesn't support multiple parallel > > > sound inputs (there's probably a more scientific term), you need arts > > > for this to work. > > > > Yes, it's called full duplex actually. All recent sound cards (or not > > too cheap ones) can do this. > > Are you sure about this? I was pretty confident that "full duplex" meant > being able to send & receive simultaneously... Like speaking to mic and > listening to onother sound... In my (non expert) opinion, this has only little do with full-duplex. full-duplex: communication/transportation can occur in two directions at the same time, eg a normal telephone or a road half-duplex: both directions are possible, but only one at a time (eg a classic walky-talky, that's either in send or in receive mode). simplex: communication is only possible in one direction. Each data stream flows through a channel. The amount of channels determines how many streams you can handle at the same time. For full-duplex sound, you'll need at least 2 channels, one for playing, and one for recording. If you want full-duplex sound (eg for voicechat) and play mp3's in the background, you'll need at least 3 channels. 1 for sending, 1 for receiving, and 1 for the music. If you do not have enough hardware channels, it is possible to merge the channels in software. This is one of the tasks of alsa/esd/jack/etc... - -- Casper Gielen [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Wiggle your mouse. Its just a screensaver. _Sprocket_ on Slashdot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+nVfrIhQIPPgOSvcRAhohAJ9agsTYY/O2s3dV+zTCcTXWdqh+lACcCgQ/ Wtmo+2R1nCeiFgzm9EEJt+w= =u5Ta -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: KDE media players
On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:11:46 +0200 Kevin Krammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, it's called full duplex actually. All recent sound cards (or > > not too cheap ones) can do this. > > I think full dublex means input and output at the same time. Right. I've made a correction in my post above. > > Even my old Aureal Vortex from 1998 can, so arts is just a thing I > > don't need. What sucks about this noatun/arts dependance is that one > > can't work without the other. In fact, arts doesn't work with my > > sound card, so I can't use any of KDE multimedia players. I know > > that my card > > Hmm, strange. > I have used arts with ALSA and OSS driven cards. You misunderstoo. I said I can't use noatun without arts running. And my sound card doesn't work with arts, hence my problem :( -- Lucas Moulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Why go against tradition when we can admit defeat, live in decline, be the victim of our own design" -- NOFX pgp6K9M7UzMEs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: (full-duplex) Re: KDE media players
On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:45:14 +0100 (WET DST) Joao Pedro Clemente <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you sure about this? I was pretty confident that "full duplex" > meant being able to send & receive simultaneously... Like speaking to > mic and listening to onother sound... Yes I am. Full duplex allows many things through 2 independent channels : - playing 2 sounds from different sources simultaneously (what we're talking about with Magnus). Speaking in a mic and listening to another sound is an example of this case. - record a source and playing one at the same time (the _real_ definition of full duplex). It's necessary if you want to, for example, record your voice while listening to a song. -- Lucas Moulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Why go against tradition when we can admit defeat, live in decline, be the victim of our own design" -- NOFX pgpXDeOhf0Sa6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: KDE media players
On Wednesday 16 April 2003 12:16, Lucas Moulin wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 05:59:40 +0200 > > Magnus von Koeller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For example, you can listen to music using Noatun but still hear > > system sounds. If your sound card doesn't support multiple parallel > > sound inputs (there's probably a more scientific term), you need arts > > for this to work. > > Yes, it's called full duplex actually. All recent sound cards (or not > too cheap ones) can do this. I think full dublex means input and output at the same time. > Even my old Aureal Vortex from 1998 can, so arts is just a thing I > don't need. What sucks about this noatun/arts dependance is that one > can't work without the other. In fact, arts doesn't work with my sound > card, so I can't use any of KDE multimedia players. I know that my card Hmm, strange. I have used arts with ALSA and OSS driven cards. Cheers, Kevin -- ~ Kevin Krammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Developer at the Kmud Project http://www.kmud.de/ ~ pgpAw3opFbaRI.pgp Description: signature
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ok... now i can answer myself... alsa works great without arts... even though noatun and kaboodle still load arts themselves for playing something... but well... who cares :P Regards, Rafael Rodriguez El Miércoles, 16 de Abril de 2003 11:04, R. Rodriguez escribió: > Oh i see... well, then i think i can use just ALSA with my sb live 5.1 > i hope this one is capable of playing several parallel streams! > > Regards, > > Rafael Rodriguez > > El Miércoles, 16 de Abril de 2003 04:59, Magnus von Koeller escribió: > > On Tuesday 15 April 2003 23:41, R. Rodriguez wrote: > > > > Oh, and since I don't need arts anyway (my sound card supports > > > > multiple parallel sound inputs), I hardly see the point. > > > > > > Can you explain that to a newbie? :P > > > > Well, arts is a sound server. That means there can be multiple > > clients, all sending audio data to the server. The server mixes these > > multiple sound streams and plays them over your sound card. > > > > For example, you can listen to music using Noatun but still hear > > system sounds. If your sound card doesn't support multiple parallel > > sound inputs (there's probably a more scientific term), you need arts > > for this to work. > > > > My sound card, though, can play multiple sounds all by it self. So, > > even if I use standard Linux sound drivers without any extras, I can > > hear multiple sounds at the same time. So, basically, arts is just an > > additional layer I don't need. > > > > I hope that explains it... > > -- > "Además de mantener el sistema informático en funcionamiento, la tarea > fundamental de cualquier administrador de sistemas es guardar copias de > seguridad para poder restaurarlas ante el acontecimiento de un desastre > natural (acto de Dios) o un fallo del sistema (acto de Redmond)." > > William von Hagen -- "Además de mantener el sistema informático en funcionamiento, la tarea fundamental de cualquier administrador de sistemas es guardar copias de seguridad para poder restaurarlas ante el acontecimiento de un desastre natural (acto de Dios) o un fallo del sistema (acto de Redmond)." William von Hagen
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> > For example, you can listen to music using Noatun but still hear > > system sounds. If your sound card doesn't support multiple parallel > > sound inputs (there's probably a more scientific term), you need arts > > for this to work. > > Yes, it's called full duplex actually. All recent sound cards (or not > too cheap ones) can do this. Are you sure about this? I was pretty confident that "full duplex" meant being able to send & receive simultaneously... Like speaking to mic and listening to onother sound...
Re: KDE media players
On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 05:59:40 +0200 Magnus von Koeller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For example, you can listen to music using Noatun but still hear > system sounds. If your sound card doesn't support multiple parallel > sound inputs (there's probably a more scientific term), you need arts > for this to work. Yes, it's called full duplex actually. All recent sound cards (or not too cheap ones) can do this. > My sound card, though, can play multiple sounds all by it self. So, > even if I use standard Linux sound drivers without any extras, I can > hear multiple sounds at the same time. So, basically, arts is just an > additional layer I don't need. Even my old Aureal Vortex from 1998 can, so arts is just a thing I don't need. What sucks about this noatun/arts dependance is that one can't work without the other. In fact, arts doesn't work with my sound card, so I can't use any of KDE multimedia players. I know that my card is an old one, that the company has gone bankrupt, but still, I'd like to use noatun without needing arts. And the current scheme in KDE's architecture won't allow this. I hope this situation will change, as many people don't need arts actually... -- Lucas Moulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Why go against tradition when we can admit defeat, live in decline, be the victim of our own design" -- NOFX pgpHCxpCRolNT.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Oh i see... well, then i think i can use just ALSA with my sb live 5.1 i hope this one is capable of playing several parallel streams! Regards, Rafael Rodriguez El Miércoles, 16 de Abril de 2003 04:59, Magnus von Koeller escribió: > On Tuesday 15 April 2003 23:41, R. Rodriguez wrote: > > > Oh, and since I don't need arts anyway (my sound card supports > > > multiple parallel sound inputs), I hardly see the point. > > > > Can you explain that to a newbie? :P > > Well, arts is a sound server. That means there can be multiple > clients, all sending audio data to the server. The server mixes these > multiple sound streams and plays them over your sound card. > > For example, you can listen to music using Noatun but still hear > system sounds. If your sound card doesn't support multiple parallel > sound inputs (there's probably a more scientific term), you need arts > for this to work. > > My sound card, though, can play multiple sounds all by it self. So, > even if I use standard Linux sound drivers without any extras, I can > hear multiple sounds at the same time. So, basically, arts is just an > additional layer I don't need. > > I hope that explains it... -- "Además de mantener el sistema informático en funcionamiento, la tarea fundamental de cualquier administrador de sistemas es guardar copias de seguridad para poder restaurarlas ante el acontecimiento de un desastre natural (acto de Dios) o un fallo del sistema (acto de Redmond)." William von Hagen
Re: KDE media players
On Wednesday 16 Apr 2003 10:22 am, Frank Van Damme wrote: > On Wednesday 16 April 2003 05:59, Magnus von Koeller wrote: > > Well, arts is a sound server. That means there can be multiple > > clients, all sending audio data to the server. The server mixes these > > multiple sound streams and plays them over your sound card. Which is already becoming obsolete due to the alsa drivers supporting hardware mixers on most cards that have them, and also will be becoming the default sound system in the 2.6 kernel. Tom pgp60ic70FbLv.pgp Description: signature
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On Wednesday 16 April 2003 05:59, Magnus von Koeller wrote: > Well, arts is a sound server. That means there can be multiple > clients, all sending audio data to the server. The server mixes these > multiple sound streams and plays them over your sound card. It also means that it sucks more cpu time then xmms when just listening to an mp3/ogg. -- Frank Van Damme| "Saying 8MB of RAM doesn't do as much anymore is http://www.| like saying a gallon of water holds more than it openstandaarden.be | did in 1988."--George Adkins
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On Wednesday 16 April 2003 05:59, Magnus von Koeller wrote: > On Tuesday 15 April 2003 23:41, R. Rodriguez wrote: > > > Oh, and since I don't need arts anyway (my sound card supports > > > multiple parallel sound inputs), I hardly see the point. > > > > Can you explain that to a newbie? :P > > Well, arts is a sound server. That means there can be multiple Well, not exactly. This is one of the functionalities of aRTs. Its main purpose is synthesizing. When playing files through an arts player like noatun, arts does all the filereading, decoding, etc. That is one fo the problems with arts. IIRC the arts guys are thinkink about separating sound server and synthesizer part, ot be more flexible which soundserver the synthesizer is used with. > For example, you can listen to music using Noatun but still hear > system sounds. If your sound card doesn't support multiple parallel > sound inputs (there's probably a more scientific term), you need arts > for this to work. I think the kde mulitmedia folks use "sound driver supports multi open" Cheers, Kevin -- ~ Kevin Krammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Developer at the Kmud Project http://www.kmud.de/ ~ pgpmPy1sDMbAD.pgp Description: signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 16. April 2003 03:01 schrieb Daniel Stone: > Try apt-get install kdemultimedia-dev. Must beat calc into fixing this. Yes, it runs now. Also pulled in libarts1-mpeglib. Thanx HS - -- Mein GPG-Key ist auf meiner Homepage verfügbar: http://www.hendrik-sattler.de oder über pgp.net PingoS - Linux-User helfen Schulen: http://www.pingos.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+nPcDzvr6q9zCwcERAjXtAJ4mrVo5luww3nyhQefDTmW+iyJ/xACeIJlh 1K8pqr4vAVCgqs5sYtcI9IM= =1qYo -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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On Tuesday 15 April 2003 23:41, R. Rodriguez wrote: > > Oh, and since I don't need arts anyway (my sound card supports > > multiple parallel sound inputs), I hardly see the point. > > Can you explain that to a newbie? :P Well, arts is a sound server. That means there can be multiple clients, all sending audio data to the server. The server mixes these multiple sound streams and plays them over your sound card. For example, you can listen to music using Noatun but still hear system sounds. If your sound card doesn't support multiple parallel sound inputs (there's probably a more scientific term), you need arts for this to work. My sound card, though, can play multiple sounds all by it self. So, even if I use standard Linux sound drivers without any extras, I can hear multiple sounds at the same time. So, basically, arts is just an additional layer I don't need. I hope that explains it... -- -M --- Magnus von Koeller --- email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] address: Heinrich-Heine-Str. 10 D-38102 Braunschweig / Germany phone:+49-531-2094886 mobile: +49-179-4562940 web: http://www.vonkoeller.de pgpmHtkkD0Jbv.pgp Description: signature
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 07:31:18PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > Am Dienstag, 15. April 2003 18:35 schrieb David Bishop: > > Out of the debian box, noatun gives me kicker integration, full keyboard > > support (I am *always* using ctrl-alt-p, c-a-left/right, and c-a-s), a > > standard KDE file dialog to add stuff, and decent performance (when > > artswrapper is suid root). If you need something more than that (or less), > > then you and I don't listen to music or use our computers that same way at > > all. :-) > > Me it gives: > $ noatun > mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding > WARNING: Couldn't instanciate artsobject Noatun::Session. (This is normally > caused by a broken package or compiling kdemultimedia in a --prefix different > from arts. It may also be from two conflicting packages, so uninstall every > arts/artsd package you have installed and try againe. > ERROR: Communication problem with noatun, it probably crashed. Try apt-get install kdemultimedia-dev. Must beat calc into fixing this. -- Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> KDE: Konquering a desktop near you - http://www.kde.org pgp65TVhQPVWp.pgp Description: PGP signature
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El Martes, 15 de Abril de 2003 19:28, Magnus von Koeller escribió: > Oh, and since I don't need arts anyway (my sound card supports > multiple parallel sound inputs), I hardly see the point. Can you explain that to a newbie? :P By the way, i use orth's cvs debs... and noatun crashes everytime i try to close it :P Regards, Rafael Rodriguez
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On Tuesday 15 April 2003 19:50, David Bishop wrote: > > > Well, the fact that your install is broken doesn't make noatun bad > :-) I use sid, so I can't really help you, but I bet Ralf would > appreciate a bug report. Well, it /is/ kind of weird, though, that almost all installs of noatun seem to be broken in some way. Just a few days ago was the first time that I was actually able to *just start* noatun without an immediate crash or at least orgies of installation and configuration. I use sid, too, so it seems to work well there. From all that bad past experience, I still don't like Noatun because for me it's just the Media player that has the crash record on my system. Anyway, that's just IMVHO. Oh, and since I don't need arts anyway (my sound card supports multiple parallel sound inputs), I hardly see the point. -- -M --- Magnus von Koeller --- email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] address: Heinrich-Heine-Str. 10 D-38102 Braunschweig / Germany phone:+49-531-2094886 mobile: +49-179-4562940 web: http://www.vonkoeller.de pgpAQLhsy8X2z.pgp Description: signature
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On Tuesday 15 April 2003 19:50, David Bishop wrote: > > > Well, the fact that your install is broken doesn't make noatun bad :-) > I use sid, so I can't really help you, but I bet Ralf would appreciate > a bug report. It works with the woody packages as well. At least it does here :) Cheers, Kevin -- ~ Kevin Krammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Developer at the Kmud Project http://www.kmud.de/ ~ pgpVD3I7XB9gB.pgp Description: signature
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Well, the fact that your install is broken doesn't make noatun bad :-) I use sid, so I can't really help you, but I bet Ralf would appreciate a bug report. -- MuMlutlitithtrhreeaadededd s siigngnatatuurere D.A.Bishop
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Dienstag, 15. April 2003 18:35 schrieb David Bishop: > Out of the debian box, noatun gives me kicker integration, full keyboard > support (I am *always* using ctrl-alt-p, c-a-left/right, and c-a-s), a > standard KDE file dialog to add stuff, and decent performance (when > artswrapper is suid root). If you need something more than that (or less), > then you and I don't listen to music or use our computers that same way at > all. :-) Me it gives: $ noatun mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding WARNING: Couldn't instanciate artsobject Noatun::Session. (This is normally caused by a broken package or compiling kdemultimedia in a --prefix different from arts. It may also be from two conflicting packages, so uninstall every arts/artsd package you have installed and try againe. ERROR: Communication problem with noatun, it probably crashed. with the following backtrace: [...] (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)... 0x4167bb89 in wait4 () from /lib/libc.so.6 #0 0x4167bb89 in wait4 () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0x416ef000 in sys_sigabbrev () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0x412bf061 in waitpid () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #3 0x408c99da in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #4 0x416089d8 in sigaction () from /lib/libc.so.6 #5 0x4005bccd in Engine::Engine () from /usr/lib/libnoatun.so.0 #6 0x4006372f in Player::Player () from /usr/lib/libnoatun.so.0 #7 0x40067f2f in NoatunApp::NoatunApp () from /usr/lib/libnoatun.so.0 #8 0x4001423f in main () from /usr/lib/kde3/noatun.so #9 0x415f7a51 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 Yeah, that's how I have noatun in mind ;) $ dpkg -l noatun ii noatun 3.1.1-0woody1 Media player (for video and audio) HS - -- Mein GPG-Key ist auf meiner Homepage verfügbar: http://www.hendrik-sattler.de oder über pgp.net PingoS - Linux-User helfen Schulen: http://www.pingos.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+nEHmzvr6q9zCwcERApAWAJ9Jcj57noJencu5RclXQUx/EGIxWwCgta7s ZcNCS6ToSV/H4YDtkwizffc= =Wkif -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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On Tuesday 15 April 2003 10:11 am, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > Am Dienstag, 15. April 2003 04:34 schrieb Daniel Stone: > > Noatun is a full-featured, full-blooded media > > player. > > That is surely to be discussed ;) > Personally, I think noatun is pure bloat and thus extremely slow. Mostly, > users are much happier with xmms. Out of the debian box, noatun gives me kicker integration, full keyboard support (I am *always* using ctrl-alt-p, c-a-left/right, and c-a-s), a standard KDE file dialog to add stuff, and decent performance (when artswrapper is suid root). If you need something more than that (or less), then you and I don't listen to music or use our computers that same way at all. :-) -- MuMlutlitithtrhreeaadededd s siigngnatatuurere D.A.Bishop
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Dienstag, 15. April 2003 04:34 schrieb Daniel Stone: > Noatun is a full-featured, full-blooded media > player. That is surely to be discussed ;) Personally, I think noatun is pure bloat and thus extremely slow. Mostly, users are much happier with xmms. HS - -- Mein GPG-Key ist auf meiner Homepage verfügbar: http://www.hendrik-sattler.de oder über pgp.net PingoS - Linux-User helfen Schulen: http://www.pingos.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+nC9Ezvr6q9zCwcERAsPMAJ92alRZH9i+JLf8DnwIKUfF+aL1+gCghZL2 cvUB/EaBAwWyYRNSDNB2yDo= =Riit -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 12:36:35AM +0100, R. Rodriguez wrote: > Hi. I just wanted to know why there are so many multimedia players > for KDE. Why do exist kaboodle, noatun, kplayer (named in the > latest kde cvs digest), kmplayer...?? Wouldn't be better just one > GOOD player? (i'm not saying those ones aren't good... but a joint > effort could be more powerful i think). Well, by some accounts, there are also 375 text editors on GNU/Linux. Why didn't they start working on a unified editor? Why didn't the vi and Emacs developers join forces? Why do we have hundreds of X window managers? ... Well, they have different purposes, that's why they exist. Ofcourse, sometimes unification works ( like the case of KDE CD burning tools), but most of the times, it doesn't. Cheers -- /* My name is Jehovah. I have a special plan to save the universe, but because of heavenly security reasons I can't tell you what that plan is. Your's just going to put your faith in me, because I see the picture and you don't. You know I'm good, because I told you so. If you don't believe me, I'll throw you on my enemies list and throw you in a pit where Infernal Revenue Service will audit your taxes for eternity*/ --RMS Aryan Ameri
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2003 at 12:36:35AM +0100, R. Rodriguez wrote: > Hi. I just wanted to know why there are so many multimedia players for KDE. > Why do exist kaboodle, noatun, kplayer (named in the latest kde cvs digest), > kmplayer...?? Wouldn't be better just one GOOD player? (i'm not saying those > ones aren't good... but a joint effort could be more powerful i think). They do different things. Noatun is a full-featured, full-blooded media player. Kaboodle is a tiny player, designed to be embedded in places like Konq. It gives you play, pause, stop, and not much else. KMPlayer is a frontend to the mplayer video-playing app. -- Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> KDE: Konquering a desktop near you - http://www.kde.org pgp9uMUosG2TX.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hi. I just wanted to know why there are so many multimedia players for KDE. Why do exist kaboodle, noatun, kplayer (named in the latest kde cvs digest), kmplayer...?? Wouldn't be better just one GOOD player? (i'm not saying those ones aren't good... but a joint effort could be more powerful i think). Regards, R. Rodriguez
