Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
- Original Message - From: Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:47:00 -0500 To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic > On Wednesday December 10 2003 8:51 am, John Bro wrote: > > I have managed to "downgrade" my xlibs, xlibs-dev, xlibs-pic > > to a non-Knoppix experimental version, fix a few problems > > left concerning links to libXrender(.la .so etc) > > and have compiled my kdelibs successfully - v. 4.3.0-pre1v4. > I'm not sure exactly what you did, Let me clarify, I installed the pre1v4 version of xlibs (by saying -t experimental) while my kdelibs is 4.3.1 and apart from the continuing crashes of some KDE apps, the system seems happier -- fewer messages in .xsession-errors, and the other main logs. But the libpthread-related crashes continue. > but as far as I know knoppix uses the > old "0ds4" (or somesuch) Xfree 4.3 debs - you should upgrade *all* of > your XFree installation to the version in experimental - 4.3.0-0pre1v4
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
> This thread exists because what you describe (and what the earlier > user has done) does not actually result in a Debian installation. > > If you spend some time in #debian you'd get a feel for the kind of > bizarre problems that knoppix users experience when they make the > mistake of thinking these two things are the same. Knoppix and > Debian are both beautiful things - but the same things, they are not. > > Jedd. This is a re-post in paraphrase, because I stupidly replied to jedd directly (sorry jed!) So, what would be the procedures to downgrade a knoppix install to sarge/sid? If there are weird problems (none of which I've had yet, in two months) I'd rather correct them before they manifest then have to fix afterwords. Surely the only solution is not to do a hdd wipe and reinstall via the sarge beta installer or the new anaconda beta installer, I should be able to just ?downgrade? my knoppix install to standard debian. Anyone know the specific differences in packages and repositories between a vanilla debian sarge/sid and knoppix? thanks. and sorry again for the direct reply. jaz
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
On Wednesday December 10 2003 8:51 am, John Bro wrote: > Well, Jedd, I'm coming to agree with you. > Clearly Knoppix and Debian are different. > And clearly, it's mixing the two that causes problems. > This was not evident to me while I was poking around > for a good way to move from RH to Debian.. Maybe > Knoppix should say so, huh? > > But right now, I'd really like to find the source > of the particular problem... > > I have managed to "downgrade" my xlibs, xlibs-dev, xlibs-pic > to a non-Knoppix experimental version, fix a few problems > left concerning links to libXrender(.la .so etc) > and have compiled my kdelibs successfully - v. 4.3.0-pre1v4. I'm not sure exactly what you did, but as far as I know knoppix uses the old "0ds4" (or somesuch) Xfree 4.3 debs - you should upgrade *all* of your XFree installation to the version in experimental - 4.3.0-0pre1v4 Whether this wil fix your problem I don't know, but in any case it is a good idea to do this first if you haven't already done so. Then try recompiling. all the best, Robert_L
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
gaskavahkku, juovlamÃnu 10. b. 2003 14:51, John Bro don ÄÃllet: > > So, I guess it wasn't libkdecore. > Must be libpthread.so.0, right? > How do I find out what package provides libpthread? > dpkg -S libpthread.so.0 -- BÃrre Gaup, Kiruna, Sweden
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
Well, Jedd, I'm coming to agree with you. Clearly Knoppix and Debian are different. And clearly, it's mixing the two that causes problems. This was not evident to me while I was poking around for a good way to move from RH to Debian.. Maybe Knoppix should say so, huh? But right now, I'd really like to find the source of the particular problem... I have managed to "downgrade" my xlibs, xlibs-dev, xlibs-pic to a non-Knoppix experimental version, fix a few problems left concerning links to libXrender(.la .so etc) and have compiled my kdelibs successfully - v. 4.3.0-pre1v4. I installed the 4 new debs I got from dpkg -b, but it didn't fix the original problem which was the crashing of several KDE apps, all with this in the backtrace: ...0x41028bb8 in waitpid () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #0 0x41028bb8 in waitpid () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 #1 0x406e8c10 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #2 0x40647f1c in KCrash::defaultCrashHandler(int) () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #3 0x0168 in ?? () So, I guess it wasn't libkdecore. Must be libpthread.so.0, right? How do I find out what package provides libpthread? tnx, j. - Original Message - > On Wed December 10 2003 12:46 pm, jerry garcia wrote: > ] I fail to understand this. > ] After running apt-get dist-upgrade > ] what is the difference between a knoppix install and a debian-sid/sarge > ] install? (other then avoiding the pain of a debian woody install?) > > This thread exists because what you describe (and what the earlier > user has done) does not actually result in a Debian installation. > > If you spend some time in #debian you'd get a feel for the kind of > bizarre problems that knoppix users experience when they make the > mistake of thinking these two things are the same. Knoppix and > Debian are both beautiful things - but the same things, they are not. > > Jedd. > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- ___ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.operamail.com, which allows you to send SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
On Wed December 10 2003 12:46 pm, jerry garcia wrote: ] I fail to understand this. ] After running apt-get dist-upgrade ] what is the difference between a knoppix install and a debian-sid/sarge ] install? (other then avoiding the pain of a debian woody install?) This thread exists because what you describe (and what the earlier user has done) does not actually result in a Debian installation. If you spend some time in #debian you'd get a feel for the kind of bizarre problems that knoppix users experience when they make the mistake of thinking these two things are the same. Knoppix and Debian are both beautiful things - but the same things, they are not. Jedd.
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:46:43AM +0100, jerry garcia wrote: | > For home users there's precious little going for it. Suffer the | > alleged pain of a Debian install (once) and then enjoy the | > thrill of painless Debian upgrades (forever). | > | > Cheers, | > Jedd. | | I fail to understand this. | After running apt-get dist-upgrade | what is the difference between a knoppix install and a debian-sid/sarge | install? (other then avoiding the pain of a debian woody install?) The following is a guess: some packages in Knoppix have higher version numbers than those in sid; some packages are Knoppix-specific (e.g. init scripts to do magic hardware detection?); some packages which would be part of a standard sid install won't be installed; some files might be present but not part of a package, or be changed from their default contents in a sid install. The pain of a Debian install isn't so bad, in my experience - if it supports your hardware properly. When the woody installer can't see your hard drive, it's less fun :( Cameron.
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 05:32 am, jedd wrote: > On Wed December 10 2003 12:21 am, John Bro wrote: > ] I originally installed debian via Knoppix 3.2 > > ] Once again, my problem is that many KDE apps are crashing, > ] all with the same complaints about lbpthread and kdecore > > ] Is there a better way?? > > Yes. Install Debian from Debian, not from Knoppix. > > Knoppix is a marvellous piece of work, and for wandering > users who don't want to disturb extant hard disks it's a very > useful tool. > > For home users there's precious little going for it. Suffer the > alleged pain of a Debian install (once) and then enjoy the > thrill of painless Debian upgrades (forever). > > Cheers, > Jedd. I fail to understand this. After running apt-get dist-upgrade what is the difference between a knoppix install and a debian-sid/sarge install? (other then avoiding the pain of a debian woody install?) Thank you for your time. jaz
Re: Fw: Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
maÅÅebÃrga, juovlamÃnu 09. b. 2003 15:42, John Bro don ÄÃllet: > > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 02:23:21PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:10:54AM +0500, John Bro wrote: > > > | It STILL fails due to a dependency on Xinerama_pic. > > > > > > Actually I think I know what's cuasing this. You need to have > > > xlibs-pic installed. I'd've thought that kdelibs would build-depend on > > > this, but it doesn't seem to. (This is an FTBFS bug, right?) > > > > libqt3-mt-dev depends on xlibs-pic so kdelibs just pulls it in via that. > > > > Chris > > This is weird... I don't seem to have it. > > $ apt-cache policy libqt3-mt-dev > libqt3-mt-dev: >Installed: (none) >Candidate: 3:3.2.1-6 >Version Table: > 3:3.2.1-6 0 > 500 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages > 990 http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main Packages > > And I ran the build-dep thing first, too! > Just exactly where is Xinerama_pic supposed to reside > anyway? (Google isn't finding me much relevant stuff..) > > Again, it's not that I really WANT to compile kdelibs, > I'm just trying to get (many of) my KDE apps to stop crashing with the same > complaints about libpthread and kdecore.. > > --John > IMHO the best would be to place an unstable deb line into /etc/apt/ sources.list, do an apt-get update; apt-get remove --purge xlibs, and then install X, KDE the lots again. I think that would save a lot of time. (if you've got a fast connection that is) -- BÃrre Gaup, Kiruna, Sweden
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
On Wed December 10 2003 12:21 am, John Bro wrote: ] I originally installed debian via Knoppix 3.2 ] Once again, my problem is that many KDE apps are crashing, ] all with the same complaints about lbpthread and kdecore ] Is there a better way?? Yes. Install Debian from Debian, not from Knoppix. Knoppix is a marvellous piece of work, and for wandering users who don't want to disturb extant hard disks it's a very useful tool. For home users there's precious little going for it. Suffer the alleged pain of a Debian install (once) and then enjoy the thrill of painless Debian upgrades (forever). Cheers, Jedd.
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
Well.. made some progress. but no cigar I managed to "downgrade" xlibs-pic and xlibs-dev to the experimental 4.3.0-pre1v4 version (over Knoppix's 4.3.1 dummy package). Tried to compile kdelibs again, got past the Xinerama_pic problem (so it WAS in there..) and a whole lot further.. 10 or 15 minutes further but with LOADS of WARNINGS about lots of things, like comparing signed and unsigned integers, ignored parameters, etc etc. Then it finally exited with this: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.la' and indeed, there is no such .la.. there's a .so and a .a, but no .la Any advice?? I'm really in over my head here.. -- ___ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.operamail.com, which allows you to send SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze
Fw: Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
> On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 02:23:21PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:10:54AM +0500, John Bro wrote: > > > | It STILL fails due to a dependency on Xinerama_pic. > > > Actually I think I know what's cuasing this. You need to have xlibs-pic > > installed. I'd've thought that kdelibs would build-depend on this, but > > it doesn't seem to. (This is an FTBFS bug, right?) > libqt3-mt-dev depends on xlibs-pic so kdelibs just pulls it in via that. > Chris This is weird... I don't seem to have it. $ apt-cache policy libqt3-mt-dev libqt3-mt-dev: Installed: (none) Candidate: 3:3.2.1-6 Version Table: 3:3.2.1-6 0 500 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages 990 http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main Packages And I ran the build-dep thing first, too! Just exactly where is Xinerama_pic supposed to reside anyway? (Google isn't finding me much relevant stuff..) Again, it's not that I really WANT to compile kdelibs, I'm just trying to get (many of) my KDE apps to stop crashing with the same complaints about libpthread and kdecore.. --John ps. Chris, sorry I posted this directly to you instead of the list.. ;( -- ___ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.operamail.com, which allows you to send SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
- Original Message - From: Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:44:20 -0600 To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 02:23:21PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:10:54AM +0500, John Bro wrote: > > > > | It STILL fails due to a dependency on Xinerama_pic. > > > > Actually I think I know what's cuasing this. You need to have xlibs-pic > > installed. I'd've thought that kdelibs would build-depend on this, but > > it doesn't seem to. (This is an FTBFS bug, right?) > libqt3-mt-dev depends on xlibs-pic so kdelibs just pulls it in via that. > Chris > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -p libqt3-mt-dev > Package: libqt3-mt-dev I now know a little more about the problem.. (thanks to Cameron). I originally installed debian via Knoppix 3.2 Knoppix installed an xlibs-pic that is an empty DUMMY intended to "satisfy broken dependencies in Kdelibs4-dev". This apparently satisfies *most* build-dependencies, but not Xinerama. It also has a high version number making it difficult to replace! (4.3-1 vs a non-dummy 4.2.1-14) I tried to force a downgrade but it removed tons of stuff, and finally broke KDE, so I ran a failsafe, and using aptitude to track the broken dependencies resulted in reinstalling things exactly the way they were! So there seem to still be no Xinerama (which I don't need anyway!) and it still breaks on Xinerama_pic. Once again, my problem is that many KDE apps are crashing, all with the same complaints about lbpthread and kdecore and I'm trying to recompile kdelibs from source in an attempt to fix this. Is there a better way?? thanks, -- John -- ___ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.operamail.com, which allows you to send SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
Am Montag, 8. Dezember 2003 17:44 schrieb Chris Cheney: > Description: Qt development files (Threaded) > Qt is a C++ class library optimized for graphical user interface > development. This package contains the libqt-mt.so symlink, necessary > for building threaded Qt applications as well as the libqui.so symlink > and the necessary header files for libqui.so. (See README.Debian and > the Qt Documentation for instructions on libqui.so) > . > WARNING: If you plan to build some older Qt3 applications, you will > most probably have to install the libqt3-compat-headers package. It > contains all the headers which are not part of the official Qt3 API > anymore but which are still used by some programs. So if you encounter > problems with missing header files, please install this package first > before you send a bugreport. Are you sure that this "WARNING" paragraph should in the package description? This is more a text for the README.Debian and a shorter text like "You may need the package libqt3-compat-headers to build some older Qt3 applications." Also the "(See .. )" in the first paragraph is not really a part of the description of the package. That's why Packages.gz gets bigger and bigger and ... ;) HS -- Mein GPG-Key ist auf meiner Homepage verfügbar: http://www.hendrik-sattler.de oder über pgp.net PingoS - Linux-User helfen Schulen: http://www.pingos.org pgplkJqt3bvB6.pgp Description: signature
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 02:23:21PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:10:54AM +0500, John Bro wrote: > > | It STILL fails due to a dependency on Xinerama_pic. > > Actually I think I know what's cuasing this. You need to have xlibs-pic > installed. I'd've thought that kdelibs would build-depend on this, but > it doesn't seem to. (This is an FTBFS bug, right?) libqt3-mt-dev depends on xlibs-pic so kdelibs just pulls it in via that. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -p libqt3-mt-dev Package: libqt3-mt-dev Priority: optional Section: libdevel Installed-Size: 160 Maintainer: Martin Loschwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Architecture: i386 Source: qt-x11-free Version: 3:3.2.1-6 Replaces: libqt-mt-dev, libqt3-dev (>= 3.0.5-4), libqt3-helper, libqt3-headers (<= 3:3.1.1-3) Depends: xlibs-dev (>= 4.2.1), libmng-dev (>= 1.0.3), libpng12-0-dev, libjpeg62-dev, zlib1g-dev, libfreetype6-dev, libc6-dev, libqt3c102-mt (= 3:3.2.1-6), libqt3-headers (= 3:3.2.1-6), qt3-dev-tools (= 3:3.2.1-6), xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev | libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev, libxft2-dev, libxrender-dev, libxcursor-dev, libaudio-dev, xlibs-pic Recommends: libqt3-compat-headers Suggests: libqt3-i18n, qt3-doc Conflicts: libqt-mt-dev Filename: pool/main/q/qt-x11-free/libqt3-mt-dev_3.2.1-6_i386.deb Size: 38994 MD5sum: 93981ef0659a6d63b6806545af7f6ec6 Description: Qt development files (Threaded) Qt is a C++ class library optimized for graphical user interface development. This package contains the libqt-mt.so symlink, necessary for building threaded Qt applications as well as the libqui.so symlink and the necessary header files for libqui.so. (See README.Debian and the Qt Documentation for instructions on libqui.so) . WARNING: If you plan to build some older Qt3 applications, you will most probably have to install the libqt3-compat-headers package. It contains all the headers which are not part of the official Qt3 API anymore but which are still used by some programs. So if you encounter problems with missing header files, please install this package first before you send a bugreport. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:10:54AM +0500, John Bro wrote: | It STILL fails due to a dependency on Xinerama_pic. Actually I think I know what's cuasing this. You need to have xlibs-pic installed. I'd've thought that kdelibs would build-depend on this, but it doesn't seem to. (This is an FTBFS bug, right?) HTH, Cameron.
Re: kdelibs compile crashes - dependency on Xinerama_pic
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:10:54AM +0500, John Bro wrote: | and choked on Xinerama. | | Since, if I understand correctly, Debian is not | supporting Xinerama Oi! Stop right there. Debian had better keep supporting Xinerama, 'cos I'm using it right now on my Debian machine and it works. I don't know what the problem is, but disabling Xinerama is not the solution :-) Cameron.
