Re: What happened to rekonq?
Am Sonntag, 19. Januar 2014, 20:09:48 schrieb Rainer Dorsch: On Sunday 19 January 2014 19:13:39 Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Sonntag, 19. Januar 2014, 16:06:26 schrieb Rainer Dorsch: On Tuesday 03 December 2013 22:30:56 Rainer Dorsch wrote: On Tuesday 03 December 2013 22:25:51 Rainer Dorsch wrote: I build my own version of rekonq and 2.4.0 is the most stable version I every had. I just copied to debian dir for building, i.e. I did not really put work into it. I forgot the link, if somebody wants to make us of it: http://bokomoko.de/~rd/rekonq_2.4.0-1_i386.deb (I know it is a very minor contribution, compared to what some of you do). I build the new upstream release: http://bokomoko.de/~rd/rekonq/rekonq_2.4.2-1_i386.deb Note, this does not address the unmaintained qtwebkit issue discussed before. Thanks. Please share your source package as well. I want to build it for 64-Bit. Aside from that with copyleft licenses its always good to upload the sources as well. I just rebuilt with the debian dir from the last Debian rekonq package the upstream sources. For completeness I uploaded everything to http://bokomoko.de/~rd/rekonq/2.4.2 Thanks. You can find a 64-bit build against current Debian Sid with KDE SC 4.11.5 at: http://martin-steigerwald.de/tmp/debian/rekonq-2.4.2/ rekonq starts and is able to show above URL and KDE homepage. Otherwise completely untested. Didn´t even adapt the changelog. Use at own risk. No complaints to Debian Qt/KDE team regarding this package. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1434877.1N1ntaQfnL@merkaba
Re: What happened to rekonq?
On Tuesday 03 December 2013 22:30:56 Rainer Dorsch wrote: On Tuesday 03 December 2013 22:25:51 Rainer Dorsch wrote: I build my own version of rekonq and 2.4.0 is the most stable version I every had. I just copied to debian dir for building, i.e. I did not really put work into it. I forgot the link, if somebody wants to make us of it: http://bokomoko.de/~rd/rekonq_2.4.0-1_i386.deb (I know it is a very minor contribution, compared to what some of you do). I build the new upstream release: http://bokomoko.de/~rd/rekonq/rekonq_2.4.2-1_i386.deb Note, this does not address the unmaintained qtwebkit issue discussed before. Rainer -- Rainer Dorsch http://bokomoko.de/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1656118.ITSoE7DMrQ@blackbox
Re: What happened to rekonq?
Am Sonntag, 19. Januar 2014, 16:06:26 schrieb Rainer Dorsch: On Tuesday 03 December 2013 22:30:56 Rainer Dorsch wrote: On Tuesday 03 December 2013 22:25:51 Rainer Dorsch wrote: I build my own version of rekonq and 2.4.0 is the most stable version I every had. I just copied to debian dir for building, i.e. I did not really put work into it. I forgot the link, if somebody wants to make us of it: http://bokomoko.de/~rd/rekonq_2.4.0-1_i386.deb (I know it is a very minor contribution, compared to what some of you do). I build the new upstream release: http://bokomoko.de/~rd/rekonq/rekonq_2.4.2-1_i386.deb Note, this does not address the unmaintained qtwebkit issue discussed before. Thanks. Please share your source package as well. I want to build it for 64-Bit. Aside from that with copyleft licenses its always good to upload the sources as well. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1542383.VfiiMOUNyv@merkaba
Re: What happened to rekonq?
On Sunday 19 January 2014 19:13:39 Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Sonntag, 19. Januar 2014, 16:06:26 schrieb Rainer Dorsch: On Tuesday 03 December 2013 22:30:56 Rainer Dorsch wrote: On Tuesday 03 December 2013 22:25:51 Rainer Dorsch wrote: I build my own version of rekonq and 2.4.0 is the most stable version I every had. I just copied to debian dir for building, i.e. I did not really put work into it. I forgot the link, if somebody wants to make us of it: http://bokomoko.de/~rd/rekonq_2.4.0-1_i386.deb (I know it is a very minor contribution, compared to what some of you do). I build the new upstream release: http://bokomoko.de/~rd/rekonq/rekonq_2.4.2-1_i386.deb Note, this does not address the unmaintained qtwebkit issue discussed before. Thanks. Please share your source package as well. I want to build it for 64-Bit. Aside from that with copyleft licenses its always good to upload the sources as well. I just rebuilt with the debian dir from the last Debian rekonq package the upstream sources. For completeness I uploaded everything to http://bokomoko.de/~rd/rekonq/2.4.2 Rainer -- Rainer Dorsch http://bokomoko.de/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1975593.ioIlDFv9Xy@blackbox
Re: What happened to rekonq?
On Tuesday 03 December 2013 22:25:51 Rainer Dorsch wrote: QtWebKit 2.3.0 to QtWebKit 2.3.1. Triggered by that remark, I did a search for QtWebKit 2.3 and found the following blog post: https://blogs.kde.org/2012/11/14/introducing-qtwebkit-23 which in turn points to https://gitorious.org/webkit/qtwebkit-23 Would that fix the situation of an unmaintained QtWebKit? Cheers, Diederik I just built qtwebkit-source from Ubuntu and installed libqtwebkit4 2.3.2-0ubuntu3 on Jessie: Works fine in Konqueror 4.11.3. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/ http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libqtwebkit4 Regards, Helmar. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312191953.55525.hel...@gerloni.net
Re: What happened to rekonq?
On 2013-12-04, Diederik de Haas didi.deb...@cknow.org wrote: Would that fix the situation of an unmaintained QtWebKit? It is still not very closely security supported upstream, but it is something we should look into at one point. If interested in helping, please contact me (svuorela) on irc.debian.org or in #debian-kde channel. I do want to allocate time to answer questions, but I can't promise package sponsorship. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnl9u23v.j8.nos...@sshway.ssh.pusling.com
Re: What happened to rekonq?
On Wednesday 04 December 2013 10:48:20 Sune Vuorela wrote: It is still not very closely security supported upstream, but it is something we should look into at one point. Ok, thanks. If interested in helping, please contact me (svuorela) on irc.debian.org or in #debian-kde channel. I don't have any packaging experience nor do I know C(++) and since I'm learning python (and improving my git/vim skills) I don't have the time to learn it either. Sorry. -- GPG: 0x138E41915C7EFED6 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: What happened to rekonq?
On Monday 02 December 2013 16:28:32 José Manuel Santamaría Lema wrote: Some time ago it was removed - allegedly - for security reasons with regarding to qtwebkit. Ok, thanks. Sorry, didn't know it was such a provocative question. -- GPG: 0x138E41915C7EFED6 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: What happened to rekonq?
On Monday 02 December 2013 21:33:50 Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2013-12-02, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: What is the oppinion of the Debian Qt/KDE team on this? I don't think the Debian Qt/KDE team has a opinion. Debian Qt/KDE team maintains QtWebkit, and the kpart-webkit besides khtml. I also maintain Arora. I have no plans to work on rekonq but I also don't have any plans to work on it. Felix was looking at taking over Rekonq but his conclusion was as the bug says. I build my own version of rekonq and 2.4.0 is the most stable version I every had. I just copied to debian dir for building, i.e. I did not really put work into it. The author of rekonq recommends the latest qtwebkit release. People reported, in this 40 days since rekonq 2.3.0 release, a lot of crash bugs that can be fixed just upgrading from QtWebKit 2.3.0 to QtWebKit 2.3.1. http://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/23/rekonq-2-3-1/ It is sad, that we have in sid only an outdated release rd@blackbox:~/SW.nobackup$ apt-cache policy libqtwebkit4 libqtwebkit4: Installiert: 2.2.1-7 Installationskandidat: 2.2.1-7 Versionstabelle: *** 2.2.1-7 0 600 http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/debian/ jessie/main i386 Packages 300 http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/debian/ sid/main i386 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 2.2.1-5 0 500 http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/debian/ wheezy/main i386 Packages rd@blackbox:~/SW.nobackup$ *and* there is with Jose a volunteer who would want to work on qtwebkit. I keep hoping that you bring enough (non-technical skills) to get your dispute resolved...with a better result for Debian. Kind regards Rainer -- Rainer Dorsch http://bokomoko.de/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4563618.sWVI1cEK9F@blackbox
Re: What happened to rekonq?
On Tuesday 03 December 2013 22:25:51 Rainer Dorsch wrote: I build my own version of rekonq and 2.4.0 is the most stable version I every had. I just copied to debian dir for building, i.e. I did not really put work into it. I forgot the link, if somebody wants to make us of it: http://bokomoko.de/~rd/rekonq_2.4.0-1_i386.deb (I know it is a very minor contribution, compared to what some of you do). Rainer -- Rainer Dorsch http://bokomoko.de/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/15951264.3qCFJOLpTg@blackbox
Re: What happened to rekonq?
On Tuesday 03 December 2013 22:25:51 Rainer Dorsch wrote: QtWebKit 2.3.0 to QtWebKit 2.3.1. Triggered by that remark, I did a search for QtWebKit 2.3 and found the following blog post: https://blogs.kde.org/2012/11/14/introducing-qtwebkit-23 which in turn points to https://gitorious.org/webkit/qtwebkit-23 Would that fix the situation of an unmaintained QtWebKit? Cheers, Diederik -- GPG: 0x138E41915C7EFED6 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
What happened to rekonq?
Hi! I just found a website that doesn't display properly in iceweasel, so I wanted to try it with rekonq, only to find it's no longer in the archives. What happened and will rekonq return to the archives? Cheers, Diederik -- GPG: 0x138E41915C7EFED6 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: What happened to rekonq?
Diederik de Haas didi.deb...@cknow.org Hi! I just found a website that doesn't display properly in iceweasel, so I wanted to try it with rekonq, only to find it's no longer in the archives. What happened and will rekonq return to the archives? Cheers, Diederik Some time ago it was removed - allegedly - for security reasons with regarding to qtwebkit. See: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712808 As you can see in the bug report: * The removal wasn't asked by its current maintainer (me) * I tried to stop the removal, but it was removed anyway Furthermore as I explained here and in the other bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=714688#35 There are other browsers which use the qtwebkit (which aren't maintained by me) which weren't removed from debian sid. So I don't buy the it's for security argument. Probably the removal of rekonq has more to do with a group of powerful people trying to make impossible any contribution from me to debian. The same people was responsible (among other things) for the unexplainable disappearing of qt-kde.debian.net several months ago (remember the bunch of mails of people asking how does one install kde 4.10 from experimental?) Also note that I offered myself to package a newer qtwebkit (I have updated it in siduction a few weeks ago) and the reply was: Please refrain from forwarding changes to the pkg-kde team for reasons you are very well aware of. So at this point I have two possible conclusions about that diversity statement[1] which generated some debate in the mailing lists, it's either: a) packaging qtwebkit doesn't count as a contribution which interacts constructively with our community or b) it's the greatest bullshit ever told about debian. I have uploaded it here again a long time ago: http://mentors.debian.net/package/rekonq and made the corresponding RFS (request for sponsoring, the procedure to follow for those who don't have permissions to upload packages to sid). Nobody uploaded it. Also I have been maintaining it in siduction where is up to date. So, if you ask my opinion it's just a shame, but: If you want to use rekonq you can: a) Build it yourself from the mentors package. b) Add to your sources.list the siduction's kdenext repository. c) Switch completely to any debian derivative or just use other distribution. [1]http://www.debian.org/intro/diversity.en.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312021628.33991.panfa...@gmail.com
Re: What happened to rekonq?
On Monday, 02 December, 2013 16:28:32 José Manuel Santamaría Lema wrote: Diederik de Haas didi.deb...@cknow.org Hi! I just found a website that doesn't display properly in iceweasel, so I wanted to try it with rekonq, only to find it's no longer in the archives. What happened and will rekonq return to the archives? Cheers, Diederik Some time ago it was removed - allegedly - for security reasons with regarding to qtwebkit. See: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712808 As you can see in the bug report: * The removal wasn't asked by its current maintainer (me) * I tried to stop the removal, but it was removed anyway Furthermore as I explained here and in the other bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=714688#35 There are other browsers which use the qtwebkit (which aren't maintained by me) which weren't removed from debian sid. So I don't buy the it's for security argument. Probably the removal of rekonq has more to do with a group of powerful people trying to make impossible any contribution from me to debian. The same people was responsible (among other things) for the unexplainable disappearing of qt-kde.debian.net several months ago (remember the bunch of mails of people asking how does one install kde 4.10 from experimental?) Also note that I offered myself to package a newer qtwebkit (I have updated it in siduction a few weeks ago) and the reply was: Please refrain from forwarding changes to the pkg-kde team for reasons you are very well aware of. So at this point I have two possible conclusions about that diversity statement[1] which generated some debate in the mailing lists, it's either: a) packaging qtwebkit doesn't count as a contribution which interacts constructively with our community or b) it's the greatest bullshit ever told about debian. I have uploaded it here again a long time ago: http://mentors.debian.net/package/rekonq and made the corresponding RFS (request for sponsoring, the procedure to follow for those who don't have permissions to upload packages to sid). Nobody uploaded it. Also I have been maintaining it in siduction where is up to date. So, if you ask my opinion it's just a shame, but: If you want to use rekonq you can: a) Build it yourself from the mentors package. b) Add to your sources.list the siduction's kdenext repository. c) Switch completely to any debian derivative or just use other distribution. [1]http://www.debian.org/intro/diversity.en.html Just get it from kde-apps.org and compile it. Program has problems but it is quicker than the others. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1991450.us3W49t5Ee@dovidhalevi
Re: What happened to rekonq?
On 2013-12-02, José Manuel Santamaría Lema panfa...@gmail.com wrote: So at this point I have two possible conclusions about that diversity statement[1] which generated some debate in the mailing lists, it's either: a) packaging qtwebkit doesn't count as a contribution which interacts constructively with our community or b) it's the greatest bullshit ever told about debian. The Debian Qt/KDE team has asked Jose Manuel Santamaria Lema to leave the team because he is a poisonous person to work with. The Diversity Statement luckily isn't inclusive on this point. Please consider sending replies to my mailbox and not on the list. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnl9pln6.j8.nos...@sshway.ssh.pusling.com
Re: What happened to rekonq?
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk On 2013-12-02, José Manuel Santamaría Lema panfa...@gmail.com wrote: So at this point I have two possible conclusions about that diversity statement[1] which generated some debate in the mailing lists, it's either: a) packaging qtwebkit doesn't count as a contribution which interacts constructively with our community or b) it's the greatest bullshit ever told about debian. The Debian Qt/KDE team has asked Jose Manuel Santamaria Lema to leave the team because he is a poisonous person to work with. No, I wasn't asked to leave. Since some time ago the debian qt(kde team is nothing but 2 or 3 persons doing the 99% of the work and some kind of council of elders which doesn't do much more than making noise in the IRC and bossing around those who actually do the work. You, and some other members of the council of elders (some of them are just part of the alioth project and barely did anything useful in the latest few years) were hindering my work. Since you were continuously hindering my work, and you still do (see the subtitlecomposer hijacking for example) we had flames very often. I think you did your best to demotivate me in order to leave the team on my own will. And since I didn't leave on my own will you used the flames we had to expell me from the team. Congratulations, because that flames we had were quite useful to your political agenda. You also told me the team would be better without me. Several months later, I wonder what's exactly the improvement. The Diversity Statement luckily isn't inclusive on this point. That's your interpretation of that diversity statement. As we can see, how it works in practice is: people like you are almost free to do whatever they want, including expelling people even if it's at the expense of the quality of the software provided by the project. I have been monitoring what happened after I left and I have seen you did various technical mistakes, for instance the latest uncoordinated transition to kde 4.11, or not uploading virtuoso 6.1.6 along with kde 4.10. That kind of things wouldn't have happened if I were allowed to do my job. So not only the status of kde in debian wasn't improved: it's also slightly worse. At the same time I have been providing various versions of kde in siduction almost the same day of the release, which is an example of what can be done without the burden of the council of elders and some other undesirable things of debian. Please consider sending replies to my mailbox and not on the list. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312022029.31800.panfa...@gmail.com
Re: What happened to rekonq?
On 2013-12-02, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: What is the oppinion of the Debian Qt/KDE team on this? I don't think the Debian Qt/KDE team has a opinion. Debian Qt/KDE team maintains QtWebkit, and the kpart-webkit besides khtml. I also maintain Arora. I have no plans to work on rekonq but I also don't have any plans to work on it. Felix was looking at taking over Rekonq but his conclusion was as the bug says. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnl9pv69.j8.nos...@sshway.ssh.pusling.com
