Re: Implementing latest stable kernel into Debian stable.
I meant that most normal users use debian stable (mostly for servers) and debian testing (mostly for desktops) Why can't we have always latest version of linux kernel on for example debian testing and focus on updating it I belive kernel developers know what they do and for the most parts the kernel should be actually pretty stable after all. And yeah most distros fe . Ubuntu follow Debian structure (they are actually copying it) so if this will happen in debian we will see newest kernel in most other distros as well . So I belive it the kernel stable should actually be in atleast debian testing (NOT IN EXPERIMENTAL) Software developers encourage people to always use latest stable software of their's I belive this should be the case here as well... 2013/11/28 Piotr Walaszczyk pietiatib...@gmail.com: I meant that most normal users use debian stable (mostly for servers) and debian testing (mostly for desktops) Why can't we have always latest version of linux kernel on for example debian testing and focus on updating it I belive kernel developers know what they do and for the most parts the kernel should be actually pretty stable after all. And yeah most distros fe . Ubuntu follow Debian structure (they are actually copying it) so if this will happen in debian we will see newest kernel in most other distros as well . So I belive it the kernel stable should actually be in atleast debian testing (NOT IN EXPERIMENTAL) Software developers encourage people to always use latest stable software of their's I belive this should be the case here as well... 2013/11/20 Ian Campbell i...@hellion.org.uk: On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 14:08 +0100, Piotr Walaszczyk wrote: Which creates a question wouldnt it be better to actually use latest linux kernel on debian stable Stable in both context means, roughly, only accepting bug fixes. The idea being that things will only get better and the risk of regressions is low. It also doesn't necessarily mean bug free but rather bugs are known. This is the case when moving between Linux versions, which all have buckets of new and potentially unproven code. If you want to use a newer kernel on stable Debian then you can use the kernels from backports. (because that's what actually most normal users use) Your premise here is flawed. Most normal users use distro kernels which for the most part follow a similar strategy to Debian. and update it so it doesn't have these regressions ? We take a reasonably current kernel at the time Debian freezes and follow the stable branch associated with that release. Ian. 2013/11/19 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk: On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 01:37 +0100, Piotr Walaszczyk wrote: Does it means that stable linux kernel is not actually stable and is full of bugs/crashes?? A 'stable release' means a version that will be supported for some time with only relatively small changes (Debian: point releases; Linux: stable updates). It has nothing to do with whether the software crashes. A Linux stable release usually does include lots of regressions which are mostly fixed by stable updates. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Teamwork is essential - it allows you to blame someone else. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1384936227.8521.5.ca...@dagon.hellion.org.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFrYZiPZ8=AMvz=jt89punwb4dr+cb9vtpfcyxedtq6uhps...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Implementing latest stable kernel into Debian stable.
Maybe its time for a change then ? There are much more pros than cons in this case I think this message should be sent to the one who actually manages the kernel packages and he should do a list of why not and why yes and then decide. 2013/11/28 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk: On Thu, 2013-11-28 at 15:02 +0100, Piotr Walaszczyk wrote: I meant that most normal users use debian stable (mostly for servers) and debian testing (mostly for desktops) Why can't we have always latest version of linux kernel on for example debian testing and focus on updating it I belive kernel developers know what they do and for the most parts the kernel should be actually pretty stable after all. And yeah most distros fe . Ubuntu follow Debian structure (they are actually copying it) so if this will happen in debian we will see newest kernel in most other distros as well . No, Ubuntu and many other derivatives package the kernel independently of Debian. So I belive it the kernel stable should actually be in atleast debian testing (NOT IN EXPERIMENTAL) Software developers encourage people to always use latest stable software of their's I belive this should be the case here as well... Debian does not generally do this so maybe you want some other distribution. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Usenet is essentially a HUGE group of people passing notes in class. - Rachel Kadel, `A Quick Guide to Newsgroup Etiquette' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cafryzinunc6gvgkz5yznzdz8oz0or7x1x6n1ralc_kqp+dp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Implementing latest stable kernel into Debian stable.
Which creates a question wouldnt it be better to actually use latest linux kernel on debian stable(because that's what actually most normal users use) and update it so it doesn't have these regressions ? 2013/11/19 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk: On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 01:37 +0100, Piotr Walaszczyk wrote: Does it means that stable linux kernel is not actually stable and is full of bugs/crashes?? A 'stable release' means a version that will be supported for some time with only relatively small changes (Debian: point releases; Linux: stable updates). It has nothing to do with whether the software crashes. A Linux stable release usually does include lots of regressions which are mostly fixed by stable updates. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Teamwork is essential - it allows you to blame someone else. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cafryzipph4m1_8+2gndn3fu3dfw1pza12411jg9x4pkmocy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Implementing latest stable kernel into Debian stable.
Does it means that stable linux kernel is not actually stable and is full of bugs/crashes?? 2013/11/19 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 06:10:16AM +0100, Piotr Walaszczyk wrote: Hey guys I'm wondering why can't we have a latest stable kernel 3.12 on latest stable debian currently (Wheezy 7.2) . [...] They have the same word 'stable' in them, but that doesn't mean the one is suitable for the other... 3.12 is in experimental now if you want it. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Albert Einstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131118233356.gg31...@decadent.org.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cafryzimgsjsw2o8p+ds7s4hsfnsbw0mlkslqqa53zbbdjlp...@mail.gmail.com
Implementing latest stable kernel into Debian stable.
Hey guys I'm wondering why can't we have a latest stable kernel 3.12 on latest stable debian currently (Wheezy 7.2) . It has so many improvments which include for example : Automatic GPU switching in laptops with dual GPU's and many many more features fixes . This one is quite important since now most laptops are comming with dual GPU's and the package called Bumbleblee is not good since the performance is basicly the same. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cafryzipmltd3owhha-hdgvpdk_oemfbg4jzeuqe9uhb6cgy...@mail.gmail.com
