Re: Regarding Google Summer of Code 2018

2018-02-19 Thread Dashamir Hoxha
On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 11:13 PM, Aman Pratap Singh  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am Aman Pratap Singh, a CSE major at Indian Institute of Technology
> Bhubaneswar. I am writing this with regard to Debian organization's project
> idea for Google Summer of Code titled *Firefox and Thunderbird plugins
> for free software habits*. I am interested in working on this project.
>
> I request to please brief me with steps to getting started.
>
> Sincerely,
> Aman Pratap Singh
> https://amanpratapsingh.in
>

It seems to me kind of spamming if all the students post to debian-outreach
and ask for help.
This is why each project has its own mentors. Otherwise it is just stealing
valuable time from everyone.
Maybe I am wrong, but I think that students should not be allowed to ask
for help on debian-outreach.
They should contact the mentors instead.

Dashamir


Re: Regarding Google Summer of Code 2018

2018-02-19 Thread Molly de Blanc
Related comments from the Outreachy mentors list:

On 02/19/2018 03:39 PM, Outreachy Organizers wrote:
> Other mentors who have applicants contacting them privately -
> Please also note that if (and only if) you add your chat/IRC/forum
> nickname to your mentor information, applicants will see the following
> paragraph:
>
> "Please try to contact the mentor on public community channels as much
> as possible. Often other mentors for the project can answer your
> question or point you in the right direction to get help. They may be
> able to answer your question faster than emailing your mentor directly.
> While it's fine to contact mentors privately with doubts, Outreachy
> applicants and interns will need to learn how to ask questions and work
> publicly through the community communication channels."
>
> You can add a nick by going to: https://www.outreachy.org/account/
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for letting me know about the standard text on the project
> details view encouraging applicants to contact mentors privately. I've
> committed a few fixes here:
>
>
https://github.com/sagesharp/outreachy-django-wagtail/commit/1120bcedc057d0a88d011fe24da90b35fe76f04b
>
> It seems like that sentence is only displayed when the project hasn't
> listed a newcomer-friendly tag in their issue tracker. I've changed it
> to not display if the project has contribution information supplied.
>
> Second, there's a sentence that only appears if the project
> mentors haven't provided the project repositories:
>
> "Applicants will need to contact project mentors to get information
> about the project repositories"
>
> I've changed that sentence the project repositories to suggest one might
> exist for the project, but wasn't provided. No mention of contacting a
> mentor.
>
> Third, there was a sentence unconditionally displayed under all mentor
> contact information: "Please contact the mentors for this internship
> project to get information on how you can make a contribution during the
> application process. Only applicants who make a contribution will be
> accepted as interns." I've removed that.
>
> Finally, if applicants don't realize the project title is an accordian
> menu that can be expanded, they may be emailing the coordinators when
> they see this paragraph:
>
> "Each project will have one or more mentors. Outreachy applicants work
> one-on-one with mentors to complete contributions to the project during
> the application process. Only applicants who make a contribution to a
> project will be eligible to be selected for an internship. Interns then
> work directly with the mentors on their project during the three month
> internship period."
>
> I don't know how to make it more obvious what the project titles are
> accordians that can be expanded when clicked. Leaving the projects
> expanded will cause issues if Mozilla ends up listing 15 projects, and I
> don't want to deepen the hierarchy by adding separate project pages.
>
> If you have suggestions on how to fix this (especially any CSS magic!)
> let me know.
>
> Thanks for the bug report, and I hope these changes help you a bit!
>
> Sage Sharp
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 02:01:50PM -0500, wrote:
>> We are getting a deluge of "please help me find a mentor"
>> emails, and I think I figured out why:
>>
>> "Applicants will need to contact project mentors to get information
>> about the project repositories. The project uses an issue tracker to
>> keep information about bugs to fix, project features to implement,
>> documentation to write, and more. Applicants will need to contact a
>> mentor to find out how they can make their first contributions to the
>> project."
>>
>> Yet two paragraphs below that, we list the information about how to
>> make a contribution.
>>
>> Could we modify that paragraph to indicate that the applicants should
>> use the information provided to begin making contributions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
> ___
> Mentors mailing list
> ment...@lists.outreachy.org
> https://lists.outreachy.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mentors
>

On 02/20/2018 12:11 AM, Dashamir Hoxha wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 11:13 PM, Aman Pratap Singh
> mailto:amanprtpsi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am Aman Pratap Singh, a CSE major at Indian Institute of
> Technology Bhubaneswar. I am writing this with regard to Debian
> organization's project idea for Google Summer of Code titled
> /Firefox and Thunderbird plugins for free software habits/. I am
> interested in working on this project.
> 
> I request to please brief me with steps to getting started.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Aman Pratap Singh
> https://amanpratapsingh.in
> 
> 
> It seems to me kind of spamming if all the students post to
> debian-outreach and ask for help.
> This is why each project has its own mentors. Otherwise it is just
> stealing valuable time from everyone.
> Maybe I am wrong, but I think that students should not be allowed 

Re: Regarding Google Summer of Code 2018

2018-02-20 Thread Abel Update
Hi!

It seems to me that Daniel Pocock doesn't respond to student mail. There is a 
longtime I wrote to him but no answer.

Kind regards,
Abel Lifaefi Mbula Free Software Dev
Free Culture Enthousiast

Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument 
instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/

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 Original Message 
On February 20, 2018 7:11 AM, Dashamir Hoxha  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 11:13 PM, Aman Pratap Singh  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am Aman Pratap Singh, a CSE major at Indian Institute of Technology 
>> Bhubaneswar. I am writing this with regard to Debian organization's project 
>> idea for Google Summer of Code titled Firefox and Thunderbird plugins for 
>> free software habits. I am interested in working on this project.
>> I request to please brief me with steps to getting started.
>> Sincerely,
>> Aman Pratap Singh
>> https://amanpratapsingh.in
>
> It seems to me kind of spamming if all the students post to debian-outreach 
> and ask for help.
> This is why each project has its own mentors. Otherwise it is just stealing 
> valuable time from everyone.
> Maybe I am wrong, but I think that students should not be allowed to ask for 
> help on debian-outreach.
> They should contact the mentors instead.
>
> Dashamir

Re: Regarding Google Summer of Code 2018

2018-02-20 Thread Daniel Pocock


On 20/02/18 07:58, Molly de Blanc wrote:
> Related comments from the Outreachy mentors list:
> 
> On 02/19/2018 03:39 PM, Outreachy Organizers wrote:
>> Other mentors who have applicants contacting them privately -
>> Please also note that if (and only if) you add your chat/IRC/forum
>> nickname to your mentor information, applicants will see the following
>> paragraph:
>>
>> "Please try to contact the mentor on public community channels as much
>> as possible. Often other mentors for the project can answer your
>> question or point you in the right direction to get help. They may be

Molly, thanks for pointing this out, with all the different policies
from both GSoC and Outreachy this is one example of why it is so good to
have a team approach as I doubt any one of us will remember all these
details alone.

Based on this feedback, I'm encouraging students to apply through the
list and based on the concern from Dashamir about email overload, I've
embedded a thread ID in the links so that the replies are threaded.

For anybody else who wants to create links for the wiki, here is the
script I used:

https://github.com/dpocock/gsoc-make-wiki-links

Regards,

Daniel



Re: Regarding Google Summer of Code 2018

2018-02-20 Thread Daniel Pocock


On 19/02/18 23:13, Aman Pratap Singh wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I am Aman Pratap Singh, a CSE major at Indian Institute of Technology
> Bhubaneswar. I am writing this with regard to Debian organization's
> project idea for Google Summer of Code titled /Firefox and Thunderbird
> plugins for free software habits/. I am interested in working on this
> project.
> 
> I request to please brief me with steps to getting started.
> 

Please click the new application link on the wiki to complete a more
thorough application:

https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2018/Projects#SummerOfCode2018.2FProjects.2FFirefoxAndThunderbirdPluginsFreeSoftwareHabits.Firefox_and_Thunderbird_plugins_for_free_software_habits