Re: Proposal of new "admin" pseudo BTS package
On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 01:46:00PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 03:32:56PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Adam Heath wrote: > > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Christian Hammers wrote: > > > > I therefore propose to create a pseudo bug packages for "mail" > > > > issues (and/or maybe one for general "admin" topics) like the > > > > existing "lists.debian.org" or "www.debian.org". > > > > > > That's not how it works. You can't create a new place for those who > > > do work to check for things to do. That'll just increase their > > > load. > > > > In this case, wouldn't making the appropriate admin(s) the owner of > > the pseudo package make it so that they wouldn't have to check the bts > > pseudo package specifically? > > Sure, but it still absolutely requires their consent. Who have a demonstrated and persistant lack of interest in anything so openly reviewable, according to past actions, statements made in this thread, and other observations. Take that as you will. -- Joel Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian Release Naming conventions
In general, the names are chosen from the "Toy Story" series of movies. To date, the Release Manager has chosen which Toy Story character will be the next in line, but there has been a lot of discussion about changing this. A little bit of googling will turn up reams and reams of discussions on the mailing lists. HTH On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:14:39 +0200, Le Roux van Wyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there > > I'm looking for a document containing a detailed layout of the structure > Debian uses to release its different versions. I have found the short > description on www.debian.org, but am looking for a more detailed layout. > > Any help would be highly apprecitated. > > Regards > LeRoux van Wyk > South Africa > >
Re: Debian Hardened project status.
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:39, Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Most of the features you list are things that are difficult to get into > > Debian/main. > > Not too really difficult, it depends on how it gets developed: > http://www.debian-hardened.org/wiki/index.php/CVS_Development_Organization > > SSP and PIE don't affect the binaries performance (not seriously), and > arbitrary patches get tested before using them. It goes under the lead210 > pool before it goes to system-dh. These things are obviously difficult due to the amount of time that has been spent on them without anything getting into main. The last discussion of SSP resulted in the GCC package maintainers indicating that they wanted to wait for Mudflap, other discussion indicates that Mudflap won't do what we really want in regard to such things (more of a debugging tool than a method of securing production code). So I guess SSP is on hold until after Mudflap. > > > About the kernels...the work is in production state, i've currently > > > tested them on some machines , 2 of them are shared environments > > > (software-libre.org & ourproject.org) with user chroots, etc. > > > I've also did the DHKP, but i'm going to remix it and use instead of > > > the current patches (OW and others) the PaX + RSBAC + SELinux mix. > > > > You have RSBAC and SE Linux in the same kernel? What's the point? > > I haven't done that work, we are just starting to decided what's the > painless solution. Best thing to do is to have separate kernels for GRSEC, RSBAC, and SE Linux. I am happy to test out all the SE Linux kernels you produce and review all code and configuration that you use. Let me know when you are ready for me to do this. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: [Ossm-members] Re: Two Macedonias
On Τρι 28 Σεπ 2004 13:41, Tomislav Markovski wrote: > This is a typical flamebait message. Trollings such as the above > are the main reason we're not taking active participation in this > discussion. We will layout our opinion on a single document and > distribute it to the Debian Project. > Please do not post provocative messages any more. They do not solve > problems. I certainly do not want to throw oil to the flames, but here the responsible for this flame is Igor. While I disagree with the reaction, it's very irresponsible to throw an inaccurate statement in the middle of a hot discussion and not expect any reaction. And in any case, it was totally irrelevant to the topic. So please do not try to point your finger at us as the responsible one. But I agree that we have to focus on active discussion and not flamebait. > P.S. I'm sure Igor knows the name of the country he lives in much > better than anyone else outside. Yes, and so does everyone else. But we're not trying to solve that. For example, if, and I am being hypothetical here, IF a consensus was reached to the name, would Igor or any other Macedonian (Slav), agree to use that name instead of plain 'Macedonia' and thus saving all of us the flames? Konstantinos
Re: [Ossm-members] Re: Two Macedonias
On Τρι 28 Σεπ 2004 11:05, Игор Петрески wrote: > Yes this is very true, but I don't recall thata Republic of > Macedonia have such agreement with any other country, company, > distribution, esspecially not with things related with Debian. Even > M$ agrred to change these settings. By the way, when we were joinig > UN, there was only ONE vote against our name (from Greece) nad all > other countries accepted our name Republic of Macedonia. Agreement > with Greece is internal mater, and I don't see how it can influence > on this topic. Because there was only one country that was interested. That's a non-argument. > Do I have to mention that we gave to the world > Cyrilc Alphabet? I thought you were actually in favour of a serious discussion. But apparently you are in the mood for joking... Oh, you were serious? Well, apparently you must not have been the favourite pupic of your History teacher. Seriously, this is not a discussion about facts, the facts are there in all History books for any one to read. Please read them, if you must but please don't say such inaccuracies. We're here to actually find a solution -if this is possible, and I like to think it is- and not throw flames at each other. Flames only make it works for the side that initiates them, and this applies to all interested parties, Greeks or otherwise. Please, let's have *discussion* not flames! Konstantinos
Re: Proposal of new "admin" pseudo BTS package
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 03:32:56PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Adam Heath wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Christian Hammers wrote: > > > I therefore propose to create a pseudo bug packages for "mail" > > > issues (and/or maybe one for general "admin" topics) like the > > > existing "lists.debian.org" or "www.debian.org". > > > > That's not how it works. You can't create a new place for those who > > do work to check for things to do. That'll just increase their > > load. > > In this case, wouldn't making the appropriate admin(s) the owner of > the pseudo package make it so that they wouldn't have to check the bts > pseudo package specifically? Sure, but it still absolutely requires their consent. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two Macedonias: Apologies.
> I think that i have been insulting and jerky toward Christian Perrier > in that email, and would like to offer my apologies. Thank you for this (always not easy). Don't worry too much, I've not been hurted so badly and, well, this is life when you have to deal with highly sensitive topics (and, on that point I don't agree with George, we are forced to deal with them as soon as we enter the i18n/l10n field). I think that my friend Kostas has been hurted much more (by other people) and still deserves some apologies, however. I hope you won't be hurted too much by the decision I finally made on that topic...because we had to take one. Please followup on -project (see MFT...I hope I made good use of it). I just wanted to publicly ACK Siward's apologies.
Upload of the iso-codes package - issue of the MK country name
For interested parties... Iso-codes including a "common name" for MKD being "Macedonia, Republic of" while the field for "official name" still contains "Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia" has been uploaded to the delayed/2-day queue. "Macedonia, Republic of" has been chosen over "Republic of Macedonia" in order to remain consistent with other entries which have "Republic/Kingdom/..." appearing after the name. This leads to a more natural sorting of names and will make the choice easier to our users. Replacing the former entry (FYROM) is the consequence of the discussion which can be followed on the debian-project mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2004/09/msg00127.html This means that the package will be part of Debian "unstable" in 2 days. And it will reach the "testing" branch (thus the next stable version) in 12 days if no Release Critical bug appears. This is a NMU (non maintainer upload) made in agreement with Alastair McKinstry, the package maintainer as he hadn't time enough for taking care of this. I have worked with translators of the package, asking them to change their translations and choose what they all feel is the most appropriate. Most of them have chosen to use the equivalent, in their language, of "Macedonia, Republic of". The Greek translation has been kept as is, thus the greek equivalent of FYROM. This was a choice by Konstantinos even though his own feelings were more inclined to "Macedonia, Republic of". He justifies this by the strong reactions which would certainly occur among Greek users if he unilateraly changes his translation. I think that he made the best decision for that part. With this decision, we (package maintainers, on behalf of the Debian project) have tried to apply the less worse compromise for all Debian users, waiting for the case to be politically sorted out. The countrychooser package (the installer module responsible for prompting users about the country they live in) has been rebuilt by using these data. The consequence is the following: - Users in English language and wanting to choose MK as country (though there is no en_MK locale, this is possible), will "see" a first screen presenting them with most English-speaking countries and a "other" choiceWhen using "other", the next screen shows "Macedonia, Republic of" among all other countries. This is the one and only place this name appears - The same goes for all other non-English/non-Greek/Non-Macedonian languages : the name only appears on the "other" screen and the name appearing there is the one which has been judged the most appropriate by the relevant translator. - Users choosing the Greek language will never see any country choice on default installs, because the only greek locale in Debian is el_GR. So, only users doing install at "expert" priority will see a screen prompting them for a country. In this screen, the name for MK will be the greek equivalent of FYROM -Users choosing Macedonian (this translation does not exist yet so, this is a theoretical case) will never see any country choice screen for default installs and will see "Macedonia, Republic of" on expert-style installs The contents of the iso-codes package is currently no used anywhere else in Debian, as far as we know. For instance, the country names list in KDE is maintained upstream by KDE developers (for the record, it lists "Macedonia" ATM...) I hope that this decision, as a conclusion of this discussion where too much heat leaked in too much places, will be agreed by as mush users as possible. Some translators probably need to adapt their translation of the entry for MK as I haven't been able to contact them, so if they wish to change what is currently in the iso-codes package, they should contact me.
Re: [Ossm-members] Re: Two Macedonias
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:31:31 +0300, John Manganas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Igor Petreski, Editor in Chief - - - PCInfo+, Macedonian IT Magazine Vasil Gjorgov, 39 baraka 2 1000 Skopje Macedonia tel. +389 2 3216356 You mean F.Y.R.O.M. Dear All, This is a typical flamebait message. Trollings such as the above are the main reason we're not taking active participation in this discussion. We will layout our opinion on a single document and distribute it to the Debian Project. Please do not post provocative messages any more. They do not solve problems. Kind Regards, Tomislav Markovski P.S. I'm sure Igor knows the name of the country he lives in much better than anyone else outside.
Re: [Ossm-members] Re: Two Macedonias
Hello everybody Do I have to mention that we gave to the world Cyrilc Alphabet? Which world is this Igor? Is it a parallel universe? You gave to the world the Cyrillic Alphabet? Now, do the following easy steps: 1) Start Mozilla 2) Type www.wikipedia.org 3) Search for "Cyrillik Alphabet" 4) Read the text 5) Click on "Saint Cyrill" 6)The truth will set you free. Igor Petreski, Editor in Chief - - - PCInfo+, Macedonian IT Magazine Vasil Gjorgov, 39 baraka 2 1000 Skopje Macedonia tel. +389 2 3216356 You mean F.Y.R.O.M. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Debian Release Naming conventions
Hi there I'm looking for a document containing a detailed layout of the structure Debian uses to release its different versions. I have found the short description on www.debian.org, but am looking for a more detailed layout. Any help would be highly apprecitated. Regards LeRoux van Wyk South Africa
Re: [Ossm-members] Re: Two Macedonias
On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 10:05:24AM +0200, wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Panos wrote: > | The official name of the country is FYROM.. Suggesting Macedonia instead > | of FYROM is like suggesting America instead of USA.. Both countries > (FYROM and Greece) > | agreed using this name. > > Yes this is very true, but I don't recall thata Republic of Macedonia > have such agreement with any other country, company, distribution, > esspecially not with things related with Debian. Even M$ agrred to > change these settings. By the way, when we were joinig UN, there was > only ONE vote against our name (from Greece) nad all other countries > accepted our name Republic of Macedonia. Agreement with Greece is > internal mater, and I don't see how it can influence on this topic. > Do I have to mention that we gave to the world Cyrilc Alphabet? No you don't have to, since this is exactly what clutters the diskussion with historical assumptions, and we are not here to discuss history. Furthermore i doubt that this is true as long as you speak in first person plural since i strongly doubt you've actively contributed to the actual invention of cyrilic alphabet. if i as an austrian would say we have brought mozart to the world, you should doubt it, since the only person who could possibly rightfully state that was mozarts mother. Furthermore this would bring me in deep trouble since than i would also have to admit that we the austrians brought hitler to the world, were responsible for the 1st world war and many other unpleasant things during history. So please lets avoid such statements in a present discussion. But maybe this was already to much of an explanation since we're not discussing who invented cyrilic alphabet. your other points are interesting and i'm happy that you stated them for your last point though i've to quote yourselv: "I don't see how it can influence on this topic." despite of course a new flamewar between greeks macedonians bulgarians and serbs. i in this matter have my own opinion you can read it over at: http://float.lefant.net/2004/09/16/ ffpx float > > Igor Petreski, Editor in Chief > - - - > PCInfo+, Macedonian IT Magazine > Vasil Gjorgov, 39 baraka 2 > 1000 Skopje > Macedonia > tel. +389 2 3216356 > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFBWRtEQkN3ebMsLSsRAtzOAJ44puA4PF91rRfwkZg6G08a0ZXX0wCeMZfK > c3kXJTW7GD34fv9WEPB4M+4= > =wYcI > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- --- _|.''`.Florian Klinglmueller ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) | : :' :debian-ppc user - against HTML email X| `. `'` & vCards / \ | `- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Ossm-members] Re: Two Macedonias
Игор Петрески wrote: Do I have to mention that we gave to the world Cyrilc Alphabet? Strong statement, and not in context too. When cyrillic was invented, Macedonia was natural part of Bulgaria. This is not intended for flamewar, just to correct the facts. Currently, Republic of Bulgaria has no territorial or other demands to Republic of Macedonia. Regards, ogi
Re: Two Macedonias: Apologies.
Hi all, I have read the previous message that i sent to this thread, and it is clearly not good at all. While logic and prose seem allright, at most or all places where a value judgement is needed, such judgement is completely wrong or absent. I can only conclude that i was mentally ill when i wrote it. I hope that i no longer am that. I want to specifically state that : * i take back everything i said in that email * all people named or referred to in that email are Good People * all countrys named or referred to in that email are Good Countrys * there are no problems that need urgent attention I think that i have been insulting and jerky toward Christian Perrier in that email, and would like to offer my apologies. Siward
Re: [Ossm-members] Re: Two Macedonias
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Panos wrote: | The official name of the country is FYROM.. Suggesting Macedonia instead | of FYROM is like suggesting America instead of USA.. Both countries (FYROM and Greece) | agreed using this name. Yes this is very true, but I don't recall thata Republic of Macedonia have such agreement with any other country, company, distribution, esspecially not with things related with Debian. Even M$ agrred to change these settings. By the way, when we were joinig UN, there was only ONE vote against our name (from Greece) nad all other countries accepted our name Republic of Macedonia. Agreement with Greece is internal mater, and I don't see how it can influence on this topic. Do I have to mention that we gave to the world Cyrilc Alphabet? Igor Petreski, Editor in Chief - - - PCInfo+, Macedonian IT Magazine Vasil Gjorgov, 39 baraka 2 1000 Skopje Macedonia tel. +389 2 3216356 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBWRtEQkN3ebMsLSsRAtzOAJ44puA4PF91rRfwkZg6G08a0ZXX0wCeMZfK c3kXJTW7GD34fv9WEPB4M+4= =wYcI -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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