Re: linhdd concerns
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 06:49:37AM +, Mike Hommey wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:19:21PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or we could disallow the override of = E: errors in lintian, and make lintian reboot your computer, fill your gpg with /dev/random bits, and install windows over your Debian if you override such errors. I'd love it if lintian were at a point where it would make sense to do that, but as a lintian maintainer, I'm afraid that it's not. Not all errors are created equal, and some of them should legitimately be overridable. We've talked for quite a while about having finer-grained control over lintian messages than the current three-tier system, in part to allow something like this (automatic dak rejection on certain lintian errors, for instance), but I'm way short on time. :/ For example, to take the lintian error that started this thread, there are some arch: all packages in the archive with architecture-specific objects that at least on a cursory glance I couldn't declare wrong. They're development packages for cross-compilation and the arch-specific objects are libraries for the target. That seems like a legitimate case for a lintian override to me. Also, BIOSes for emulators are candidates for such an override. I know, but maybe (but that's sad if we need to do that) we should have overrides validated by the QA people … *sigh*. -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOOhttp://www.madism.org pgpLqejl3yhBB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: linhdd concerns
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know, but maybe (but that's sad if we need to do that) we should have overrides validated by the QA people … *sigh*. Should the override file have a justification field for each (error) override? That would help generic DD's going through all override files. -- * Sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology (T.P) * * PGP public key available @ http://www.iki.fi/killer *
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
James Andrewartha a écrit : Not a buildd, but [1] notes that there's an alpha porting machine waiting for more than a year to be set up by DSA. I don't know if there's an RT ticket, but there is a bug [2] about this, which was closed this week, although it looks like by accident. This machine has been setup, it is called albeniz.debian.org, that's why the bug has been closed. -- .''`. Aurelien Jarno | GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73 : :' : Debian developer | Electrical Engineer `. `' [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] `-people.debian.org/~aurel32 | www.aurel32.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linhdd concerns
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 11:08:33AM +, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: On Thursday 29 November 2007, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know, but maybe (but that's sad if we need to do that) we should have overrides validated by the QA people … *sigh*. Should the override file have a justification field for each (error) override? That would help generic DD's going through all override files. override files allow comments which means giving a justification is already possible. So it seems this just needs to be documented as best practice? We definitely should have a lintian check for that !!! *cough* -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOOhttp://www.madism.org pgprYKWIyuaGs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
On Thursday 29 November 2007, Aurelien Jarno wrote: James Andrewartha a écrit : Not a buildd, but [1] notes that there's an alpha porting machine waiting for more than a year to be set up by DSA. I don't know if there's an RT ticket, but there is a bug [2] about this, which was closed this week, although it looks like by accident. This machine has been setup, it is called albeniz.debian.org, that's why the bug has been closed. Then it's not yet been activated by ftp-masters as it's not listed on [1]. Guess that will happen soon. Good news! [1]http://buildd.debian.org/~jeroen/status/architecture.php?suite=unstablea=alpha signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
Not a buildd, but [1] notes that there's an alpha porting machine waiting for more than a year to be set up by DSA. I don't know if there's an RT ticket, but there is a bug [2] about this, which was closed this week, although it looks like by accident. [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-alpha/2007/11/msg2.html [2] http://bugs.debian.org/412070 -- # TRS-80 trs80(a)ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au #/ Otherwise Bub here will do \ # UCC Wheel Member http://trs80.ucc.asn.au/ #| what squirrels do best | [ There's nobody getting rich writing ]| -- Collect and hide your | [ software that I know of -- Bill Gates, 1980 ]\ nuts. -- Acid Reflux #231 / -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linhdd concerns
On 29/11/2007, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: override files allow comments which means giving a justification is already possible. So it seems this just needs to be documented as best practice? Yes. -- Cyril Brulebois pgpwk92xgu5mY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:01:54PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: On Thursday 29 November 2007, Aurelien Jarno wrote: James Andrewartha a écrit : Not a buildd, but [1] notes that there's an alpha porting machine waiting for more than a year to be set up by DSA. I don't know if there's an RT ticket, but there is a bug [2] about this, which was closed this week, although it looks like by accident. This machine has been setup, it is called albeniz.debian.org, that's why the bug has been closed. Then it's not yet been activated by ftp-masters as it's not listed on [1]. Guess that will happen soon. Why would a porter machine be listed on buildd? Cheers Luk Good news! [1]http://buildd.debian.org/~jeroen/status/architecture.php?suite=unstablea=alpha
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:32:40AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: http://release.debian.org/etch_arch_qualify.html lists that alpha, mips and mipsel a having buildd redundancy, but that does not seem to match reality as both only have a single buildd (alpha: goetz; mips: ball; mipsel: rem). Hmm, etch is already released. You might be right that it's not done for lenny yet. Though that's mainly because most of the architecture pages are incomplete after many requests to complete them... I think you'd better look at db.debian.org/machines.cgi to have an idea of the current status... Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
On 29 Nov 2007, at 10:49 am, Aurelien Jarno wrote: James Andrewartha a écrit : Not a buildd, but [1] notes that there's an alpha porting machine waiting for more than a year to be set up by DSA. I don't know if there's an RT ticket, but there is a bug [2] about this, which was closed this week, although it looks like by accident. This machine has been setup, it is called albeniz.debian.org, that's why the bug has been closed. I knew Peter had been working on it, but I didn't know that the machine was available for use, since I wasn't notified when he finished. Hey, I'm only the local admin, what do I know... :-) Anyway, I'm glad it's finally available for people to use. It's a reasonably meaty machine - AlphaServer ES45 4x 1.25GHz EV67, 8GB RAM. Enjoy. Tim -- The Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute is operated by Genome Research Limited, a charity registered in England with number 1021457 and a company registered in England with number 2742969, whose registered office is 215 Euston Road, London, NW1 2BE.
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
On Thursday 29 November 2007, Luk Claes wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:32:40AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: http://release.debian.org/etch_arch_qualify.html lists that alpha, mips and mipsel a having buildd redundancy, but that does not seem to match reality as both only have a single buildd (alpha: goetz; mips: ball; mipsel: rem). Hmm, etch is already released. You might be right that it's not done for lenny yet. Though that's mainly because most of the architecture pages are incomplete after many requests to complete them... Don't understand what you're trying to say here. My point is that apparently we _had_ buildd redundancy at some point, but have lost it for some reason. To me that indicates a problem for the project, especially when it turns out that the remaining buildds are incapable of keeping up by themselves. I think you'd better look at db.debian.org/machines.cgi to have an idea of the current status... I can see the current status fine on jvw's buildd pages: those three arches only have a single active buildd listed when they're supposed to have two. Also, restricted does not really tell me what the exact purpose of a machine is. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007, Tim Cutts wrote: I knew Peter had been working on it, but I didn't know that the machine was available for use, since I wasn't notified when he finished. Hey, I'm only the local admin, what do I know... :-) | Subject: [rt.debian.org #59] New alpha porter machine ready for setup | From: Peter Palfrader via RT [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | In-Reply-To: | References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Precedence: bulk | X-RT-Loop-Prevention: rt.debian.org | RT-Ticket: rt.debian.org #59 | Managed-by: RT 3.6.1 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) | RT-Originator: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit | X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 | Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:21:03 -0700 | X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 | | albeniz.debian.org should have been setup and be ready for use. Thanks | for helping the Debian project. -- | .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** Peter Palfrader | : :' : The universal http://www.palfrader.org/ | `. `' Operating System | `-http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
On Thursday 29 November 2007, Luk Claes wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:01:54PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: On Thursday 29 November 2007, Aurelien Jarno wrote: James Andrewartha a écrit : Not a buildd, but [1] notes that there's an alpha porting machine waiting for more than a year to be set up by DSA. I don't know if there's an RT ticket, but there is a bug [2] about this, which was closed this week, although it looks like by accident. This machine has been setup, it is called albeniz.debian.org, that's why the bug has been closed. Then it's not yet been activated by ftp-masters as it's not listed on [1]. Guess that will happen soon. Why would a porter machine be listed on buildd? Ah, my mistake. I totally missed that this was about a porter machine. So we do still need a backup/second buildd for alpha... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring
On 22/11/2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote: http://ftp-master.debian.org/dm-uploaders.txt Thanks. Now that'd be great if DDPO could have those informations as well :) Hi from Mérida, I'm planning to integrate that in DDPO/PTS webpages. Cc'ing -qa to avoid possible duplicates. Cheers, -- Cyril Brulebois pgpBuaFAkZ4YB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
On 29 Nov 2007, at 12:23 pm, Peter Palfrader wrote: [ snipped RT close message ] Glad to see that, although I don't think I received the message. Must be something wrong with the forwarding chain between there and me - almost certainly my fault. apologies! Anyway - thanks for doing that, I really appreciate it. As to the mips machines that Steve dropped off at Sanger the week before last, I should hopefully find the time to rack them up and install them on Friday, barring any firefighting I need to do here. Regards, Tim -- The Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute is operated by Genome Research Limited, a charity registered in England with number 1021457 and a company registered in England with number 2742969, whose registered office is 215 Euston Road, London, NW1 2BE. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 01:18:38PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: I think you'd better look at db.debian.org/machines.cgi to have an idea of the current status... I can see the current status fine on jvw's buildd pages: those three arches only have a single active buildd listed when they're supposed to have two. I believe buildd redundancy does not mean having 2+ active buildds, but having at least one active buildd who can keep up, plus a possibly inactive backup buildd who could quickly be made active in case the primary buildd fails. So just looking at jvw's buildd pages might not be enough, unless it displays inactive buildds as well. (mostly considering alpha here, as apparently mips/mipsel indeed do not have redundancy right now) Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:57:22AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: dm:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Full name: Aur?lien G?R?ME (rewritten w/o half-broken encoding, maybe it would be nice to send mails using something different from us-ascii?) Patches welcome. A suggested Content-Type: header might be enough? debian-maintainers (1.6) unstable; urgency=low * Updated Ryan Finnie's key. Closes: #453075 * Added Debian maintainer Manuel Prinz. Closes: #453064 * Added Debian maintainer Simon Josefsson. Closes: #453138 Looks like there were actually no changes here. False positive of some sort? Or python/psql is getting a different value pulled out of psql to the one it thinks it's putting in, and Aurelian's name will be reported as updated with every upload... Cheers, aj signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:57:22AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: dm:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Full name: Aur?lien G?R?ME (rewritten w/o half-broken encoding, maybe it would be nice to send mails using something different from us-ascii?) Patches welcome. A suggested Content-Type: header might be enough? AFAIK you need this: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 If at the same time, you could also do it for mails sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] that would be great as accented names are always unreadable (and some people like me like to follow this list). Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Le best-seller français mis à jour pour Debian Etch : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 03:57:49PM +, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:57:22AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: dm:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Full name: Aur?lien G?R?ME (rewritten w/o half-broken encoding, maybe it would be nice to send mails using something different from us-ascii?) Patches welcome. A suggested Content-Type: header might be enough? AFAIK you need this: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 If at the same time, you could also do it for mails sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] that would be great as accented names are always unreadable (and some people like me like to follow this list). I wrote a patch during debconf: http://people.debian.org/~madcoder/use-utf-8-for-mails.patch I'm not 100% sure it's enough, but it shoudln't hurt. It applied to dak at the time. -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOOhttp://www.madism.org pgpqXAAdogwp1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Please help me remove this
On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 10:29 -0800, Masood wrote: Can you please delete this page from your data base: http://lists.debian.org/debian-68k/2003/08/msg00030.html It is very embarrassing and very old. It is the first thing that comes up when searching for my name. I'm afraid that we are unable to act on your request. The Debian listarchives policy is to NOT remove or alter any postings after they are published. Even if we would modify our archives, it wouldn't help, as our lists are archived elsewhere on the internet as well, so once an email has been accepted it is out in the wild with its entire content and addresses and theres no way to get it back. Please see http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#disclaimer and http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/disclaimer Kind regards -- David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.damog.net/ We're gonna rock this motherfucker like three the hard way! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
On 29 Nov 2007, at 3:10 pm, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2007, Tim Cutts wrote: Anyway - thanks for doing that, I really appreciate it. As to the mips machines that Steve dropped off at Sanger the week before last, I should hopefully find the time to rack them up and install them on Friday, barring any firefighting I need to do here. That'd be great. Looking forward to that. Was it mips or mipsel? Er - I don't know, offhand. I'm not that familiar with either architecture, aside from running a bunch of IRIX systems about 10 years ago. These are two Cobalt boxes... Tim -- The Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute is operated by Genome Research Limited, a charity registered in England with number 1021457 and a company registered in England with number 2742969, whose registered office is 215 Euston Road, London, NW1 2BE. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
* Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-11-29 16:27]: Er - I don't know, offhand. I'm not that familiar with either architecture, aside from running a bunch of IRIX systems about 10 years ago. These are two Cobalt boxes... It's mipsel. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
On 29/11/2007, Michael Banck wrote: I believe buildd redundancy does not mean having 2+ active buildds, but having at least one active buildd who can keep up, plus a possibly inactive backup buildd who could quickly be made active in case the primary buildd fails. I'd add “having a responsive buildd maintainer”, uploading packages in a timely fashion. Cheers, -- Cyril Brulebois pgpwM2zbyroZ1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 03:39:29PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: I'm planning to integrate that in DDPO/PTS webpages. Cc'ing -qa to avoid possible duplicates. This is now integrated in the PTS, which shows a DM flag associated to each package which has DM-Upload-Allowed: yes. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- PhD in Computer Science ... now what? [EMAIL PROTECTED],debian.org,bononia.it} -%- http://www.bononia.it/zack/ (15:56:48) Zack: e la demo dema ?/\All one has to do is hit the (15:57:15) Bac: no, la demo scema\/right keys at the right time signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 12:23:34AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: On 29/11/2007, Michael Banck wrote: I believe buildd redundancy does not mean having 2+ active buildds, but having at least one active buildd who can keep up, plus a possibly inactive backup buildd who could quickly be made active in case the primary buildd fails. I'd add ???having a responsive buildd maintainer???, uploading packages in a timely fashion. Awww, just when we were able to keep it constructive for a couple of messages... Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
