Re: Debian on Atom 330 Question
On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 03:03:40AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Rein Tendonsie tendon...@tendonsie.be writes: Beste, Momenteel heb ik een dedicated server genomen ergens en men zegt er dat ze geen Debian willen instaleren omdat deze niet zou werken omwillen van de processor. Klopt het dat Debian niet werkt onder: Intel Atom Dual core 330 http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLG9Y Graag bevestiging of het wel of niet werkt, gezien het bedrijf hiervan bewijs wil. Dank Rein Corselis I don't realy understand much more than the subject but: The question roughly was: I ordered a dedicated server but the company doesn't want to install Debian on it as they claim the processor is not supported. Could you confirm if Debian works with it as the company wants proof. So your answer is about spot on, maybe missing a `uname -a`. To the original poster: Maybe a better place to ask is debian-u...@lists.debian.org (I couldn't find a dutch version of the user list so you'd still have to try to speak engish). (nl: Deze vraag was beter naar debian-u...@lists.debian.org verstuurt en in het engels, er is blijkbaar geen nederlandstalige user lijst.) Regards Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: lenny release at epoche 1234567890 ?
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 02:04:21PM +0100, Gebhardt Thomas wrote: just noticed that epoche 1234567890 is at 2009-02-14. That would be a release date that is easy to remember. f...@laurie:~$ ipython In [1]:import datetime In [2]:datetime.datetime.utcfromtimestamp(1234567890) Out[2]:datetime.datetime(2009, 2, 13, 23, 31, 30) Seems about half an hour before the 14th. Regards Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Planet policy?
On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 04:22:44PM -0500, David Moreno Garza wrote: On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 17:54 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Did we ever agree a policy about what's acceptable/reasonable for blog feeds linked from planet.d.o? I'm very tempted to disable Ian Murdock's Solaris propaganda, for example... I don't think there's no policy. Rumors say that only Debian collaborators could be aggregated and no websites. That's mostly the policy I'm aware of. Personally I think it's often rather interesting if a Debian collaborator writes about non-Debian things. The collaborative other interests of all of them is a curious picture and often tells something about other (interesting) free software related activities/projects. I really think it's OK the way it is, since it's not behaved shamelessly. So I mostly agree with this. Regards Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fanatic
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 07:18:24PM +0200, walter wrote: I didn't know rt2500, and atheros firmware are non free. This refute all I said. But, correct me if I am wrong: is the firmware part of the OS or is it allocated in the card? AFAIK the rt2500 doesn't require firmware, but the rt61 does. Atheros needs binary blobs in the kernel (again AFAIK), which is a lot worse then firmware. Firmware is code that gets executed on the peripheral device, in this case the wireless card. This can either live permanently on the card, in an eeprom, or needs to be loaded onto the card by the OS every time it wants to use the card. In the first case usually everyone is happy. But in the second there tend to be two opinions: (1) If the firmware is saved in the OS it should be free too, we see it therefore we want the right to thinker with it. (2) This is no different then a firmware in the eeprom as it's non-free there too, you just never see it. Many flamewars have been fought about which one is The One And Only True Argument(tm). Unfortunately both arguments are correct so you'll just have to live with the two opinions as none of the two will ever go away. Regards Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:40:52PM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote: On Sam, 27 Jan 2007, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: Iceweasel and Firefox are a different products, very similar, but different. Can YOU please explain me what *important* differences there are? [...] Otherwise I would like to see what kind of OPERATIONAL difference you have found: There is actually an operational difference. In the about:config page the setting general.useragent.extra.firefox is set to Iceweasel/2.0.0.1. Looks harmless, but it stopped me from logging on to a website. It would only let me in when I set it to Firefox/2.0.0. Note: that website lists only Firefox 1.0 on Windows as supported (among a few other proprietary browsers). But this setting made the difference between being able to use it and getting a browser unsported page. I can imagine less technical users being at a loss in a similar situation. Regards Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Installer funktioniert nicht
Short translation: he's having trouble installing a Sun Enterprise 220r. On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 06:28:30PM +0100, Alexander Mecklenbeck wrote: Hallo, Ich habe gestern Abend versucht, meinen Sun Enterprise 220r Rechner mit Debian Linux auszustatten, doch leider hat das nicht funktioniert ? Habe das Sparc Paket Netinstall heruntergeladen, auf CD gebrannt und dann eingelegt, stop+A gedrückt, dann boot cdrom eingegeben und er sagt mir das er auf die CD nicht zugreifen kann ??? Haben Sie eine Idee ??? Weiß auch garnicht, ob ich die richtige emailadresse erwischt habe ? Sorry, my german is too bad to write it. But you should try mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] for questions in german, as this is indeed the wrong list for both the language as type of question. You also might want to provide more information, like which version of the netinstall you tried and if you have a more precise error message. What hardware your CD-ROM is based on (ATA, SCSI, ...) might help too etc. Is Debian giving the error message or is it OpenBoot? Things like that are useful. Regards Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 05:38:07PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 01:28:35AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Steve Langasek] That's an interesting point. Can you elaborate on how you see this being a loophole, in a sense that having the firmware on a ROM wouldn't also be? The day Debian begins to distribute ROM chips, or devices containing ROM chips, I will expect those chips to come with source code. Until then, this is a red herring. Note that while Peter is currently in the n-m queue (on hold pending further response to TS checks apparently), he's not yet a developer, and his expectations shouldn't be inferred to be those of the developers as a whole. Interesting, is this why the discussion is on a public mailing list? Personally I am not a DD either nor am I in the NM queu, however I was always under the impression that my opinion as a users matters (and should matter IMHO) to Debian anyway. In contrast to Sven and Josselin I'm not going to blame you for doing this statement as DPL as your From: address did not say so. But otherwise I wholehartedly agree with them. As for the issue at hand here I must also agree with Peter and Sven: Debian doesn't distribute chips with non-free firmware currently. So if Debian wants to distribute non-free binary-only firmware I do hope it will do so in non-free and not in main. Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Donations
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 10:31:28AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: [...] After all, you don't need such an organization in _every_ country; there are a number of countries that have treaties which make monetary transactions between them cheap (e.g., the EU). s/EU/countries using the euro/ but I guess that's just a detail at this stage. Regards Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian-based miniVDR violates GPL (FYI)
Hi Josephine On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 10:43:40AM +0200, Ciuca, Josephine wrote: Hello I just wanted to let you know about a GPL violation in the distribution miniVDR, a distribution based on Depian with so-called GPL licensed patches (www.minivdr.de). They refuse to share the sources and are willing to give them only for 15euros, which is way abusive and does not reflect the price of media and cd-burner usage. They constantly refused to share the sources on Sourceforge or any other OSS promoting service and even mailed me the harddisk is broken, so no sources anymore. I have mails from the maintainer of the distribution where he stated I only get the sources for 15eur and if I think it's expensive, I should use other distribution. This is abusive usage of the GPL code. Please let me know if I should forward these mails too or if you need anything. Personally I have no idea if they can get away with this or not, I'd hope not but that's just my opinion. Debian has no formal way of fighting abuses as far as I know, but there is a Debian lawyer so maybe I'm wrong. However I'm sure if you raise the issue with the Free Software Foundation's [1]GPL Compliance Lab they will know exactly what to do an how to handle this. So unless someone else here knows better what to do this is probably the best thing to do. Altho maybe it should be raised with debian-legal@lists.debian.org first? Regards Floris [1] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/compliance.html -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian-based miniVDR violates GPL (FYI)
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 12:02:04PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 10:43:40AM +0200, Ciuca, Josephine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I just wanted to let you know about a GPL violation in the distribution miniVDR, a distribution based on Depian with so-called GPL licensed patches (www.minivdr.de). They refuse to share the sources and are willing to give them only for 15euros, which is way abusive and does not reflect the price of media and cd-burner usage. They constantly refused to share the sources on Sourceforge or any other OSS promoting service and even mailed me the harddisk is broken, so no sources anymore. I have mails from the maintainer of the distribution where he stated I only get the sources for 15eur and if I think it's expensive, I should use other distribution. This is abusive usage of the GPL code. Please let me know if I should forward these mails too or if you need anything. Do they distribute the binary version freely or is it that the binary AND the source are available for 15 euros ? If the latter, there is no infringement of the GPL. They have an ISO image for download at http://minivdr.de/download/index.php, I've downloaded that and they appear to have the binaries on them. The licence on that CD is shown as GPL, but I found no sources. Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [SUMMARY] About terminology for stable/testing/unstable and related issues
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 09:14:31AM +0300, Tapio Lehtonen wrote: If stable/testing/unstable are branches (or suites), what are Ubuntu, DeMuDi, SkoleLinux et al Debian based distributions? I would have called them branches, from a version control point of view. They're exactly that: Debian based distributions, or just terminology wise distribution is enough. You could of course restart all flamewars about the word fork, but that's not going to be very popular ;-) Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Summer of Code 2006, should Debian take part?
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 05:53:17PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Please keep in mind that we're speaking of a work that should last 4 months. According to the timeline in the FAQs only 3 months. Cheers Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Private copies of list replies (Was: Re: buildd and experimental)
On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 01:31:31AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 10:12:58AM +, MJ Ray wrote: I'm sure it's possible, but I think encouraging that broken non-standard header is a bad idea. It is not that hard for people to control their mail clients correctly IMO. You say broken header without explaining why, as if this is common knowledge, but I've never heard of any problems with it; you're the only person I've ever heard call it broken. [...] Haven't you ever considered a MFT: dev-null or worse? It's currently the only common way for a sender to express his preference: Nonsense. Ask explicitly in the body. Don't hide it in the header. Problem with that is that the person needing the CC will not get all messages in the rest of the thread. Only on direct replies this request will be preserved, after that the request could be easily stipped by accident. Machines are much better at remembering these things and writing them down every time. This leads to a header imho, whether that be MFT or some other sort of public-reply-to I'm not fussed, but MFT seems like the closest we get currently. Regards Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: buildd and experimental
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 05:24:52PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 02:46:02AM +0100, Gabor Gombas wrote: On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 01:04:17AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: However, the code of conduct seems to point out that one should not Cc someone unless they specifically ask for it (a guideline that you neglected to follow, after I pointed this out to Mr. Bushnell). Frankly, I never check the recipient list when I press g in mutt. I assume that if you do not want to be CC'ed, then you can set up Reply-To: to express that. How? I can't use the same header for two purposes; if I want to specify that private replies should go to one address, but I want list replies to go to the list (and only the list), how do I go about that using only Reply-To? Well, this is where the Mail-Followup-To: magic comes in I thought. Public replies respect M-F-T, so this is the header you should add yourself too when you're not subscribed. Private replies use Reply-To to find the recipient, if that fails it uses the From: header. In mutt M-F-T is used by list-reply (hitting 'L') if your mailing lists are set up properly. But I've heard people claiming M-F-T is not a proper standard (despite not having an X- in the header) and even being broken. Reply-To: should never be touched by mailing lists however[0], it is very annoying and private mails often go to the list instead of the person. And I agree that in the end it is down to the user to comply with the mailing list policy. Although that in the Debian case I regard setting M-F-T to myself (and the list) as an explicit CC request. [0] http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful/ Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mailbox clogging, need daily digests of the list
On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 11:58:43AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: On Wednesday 25 January 2006 16:46, Michelle Konzack wrote: | :0 | | * ^X-Mailing-List:.*debian-\/[-a-zA-Z0-9]+ | .ML_debian.$MATCH/ Cool, now we all know how to create new folders in your mailbox :-) Very nice, but can I give mutt a rule that will look in all mailboxes too? In mutt you have to set 'mailboxes =debian-project' or similar, but it would be nice to have a autmatic rule too otherwise mail will get sorted in places where I'll never see it! Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: device discovery question before doing a motherboard upgrade.
[ Cc'd since I don't know if you're subscribed to the list, no Mail-Followup-To: header ] On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 02:02:57PM -0600, water modem wrote: I have given up searching the Debian sites and Google and usenet groups for the answer to a simple question. This question should really go to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here a short attempt from me to answer it though. If I want to upgrade a Sarge 2.6 install to a new motherboard without re-installing Debian Good luck, replacing a motherboard is non-trivial and will never be simple like you state it. ;-) What do I run before or after the hardware upgrade to force device discovery to be repeated? I'm not really up to date with things like discover or whatever they are and what they do. But basically it boils down to knowing what devices you will be replacing, which chipsets the old and new ones are. Then making sure that you kernel can use all of them, either by recompiling or by having modules around, making sure they will get loaded. Then you can try replacing the motherboard and hope everything will come up. Depending on what's integrated in the motherboards some devices could be renamed etc, so on your first reboot it's a bood idea to boot single user and make sure everyting is going to be fine, clean up all mess. If you're using the stock kernel you probably won't have to do anything to the kernel since all drivers are available by modules afaik. They still need to be loaded somehow, discover might do this for you. You will likely still have the trouble of renamed devices etc though. I want to do it right without getting in trouble and just can't find any information on the process. There's many things that can go wrong anywhere along the path. Did I mention to take backups? ;-) Thanks Please direct any follup discussion/questions to debian-user@lists.debian.org Regards Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intel devices supported on Debian
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 04:47:49PM +, Rich Walker wrote: Max Alt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and can be downloaded at intel.com/go/linux http://intel.com/go/linux. Redirects to http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/188931.htm which doesn't seem relevant. Got a better link? It does seem relevat to me. After selecting my language (europe, english) I get this page: http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/emea/eng/187871.htm Which pretty much says what he said in his email... Greetings Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA hard disks
On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 03:53:25PM -0500, Juan Carlos Munoz wrote: I bought a Dell Dimension 8400 with a SATA 80 Gb drive. I wish to know if the latest version of Debian (sarge) has support for SATA disks. Sarge does support SATA disks, I am not familiar with the Dell Dimension 8400 specifically (i.e. which SATA chipset that box has and whether the kernel supports it) but don't expect too much trouble. Please also note that questions about this are better sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You'll likely get a far better answer on your question. So use that list next time (or for followup questions etc). Greetings Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free but distributable packages and kernel firmware
On Sat, Apr 09, 2005 at 01:17:02AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: I wonder if it would be worth considering a fsf-free component that offers a Packages file listing packages from non-free with the fsf-free tag. Something like that might be non-disruptive and make it simpler for the installer and users to deal with some of the more important alternative stances on freedom to the DFSG. Personally I would like that. But making a separate Packages file for fsf-free raises other questions. Suppose one of the packages with fsf-free has a dependency on other non-free packages? How handle that? Would it require a sub policy that fsf-free can only depend on contib, main and other fsf-free tagged non-free packages? But this will end up with a hunge, hard-to-maintain hierarchy of non-free tags of who's allowed to depend on who. Some of that could be automated I suppose (give every package as liberal tag as possible, once in the archive they will get stripped according to their dependencies) but it will end up messy I'm afraid. Ok, this would be kind of wierd as mostly GFDL would fit in it, but technically nothing stops it from happening. I'm more advocating against a separate Packages file here then for the added complexity. On an other (funny) note, think about all the changes the vrms package could implement! Should it follow dfsg or fsf? ;-) Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Asking question
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 10:37:14AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 03:40:57PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: ke, 2005-03-30 kello 14:21 +0200, Frédéric PEREIRA kirjoitti: Hello, Currently working in a French public library, and thus for the public utility, I would like to place at the disposal of our readers copies of your distribution of Linux. Indeed, I estimate that to speak today about free became a need, would be to only show people who there is an alternative. Then, I ask to you whether this project is legal, and thus if I can with complete freedom propose a copy of your distribution to our readers. The main and contrib part of Debian are free (libre) software, and that means you can copy and give away them as much as you want. The non-free part contains some programs that have restrictions that may be problematic for you. http://www.debian.org/intro/free has some more information. Notice though, that you may need to give out also the sources or at least propose them, of the GPLed programs we have there, or provide a written offer to give them later. I am not sure how we handle this in such cases though. Full main/contrib + sources is what, 4-5 DVDs by now ? IIRC you only need to provide them when asked for. So a written offer will do. Anyone who is intrested enough to want the sources probably wants the latest one's anyway and will have other means of getting these. Also it is a library, so you do not _give_ or _sell_ Debian to them, only loan it out... In worst case you'd need 1 set of sources for N sets of binaries. Is that too bad? Cheers Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Roles and responsibilities of the FTPmaster team.
On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 12:12:13PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: Helen Faulkner wrote: Will that document be put on the web anywhere? It would be good to know where to refer people who are asking about this stuff in the future. That was my thought as well. I wonder if it would be useful to add such descriptions (especially if Matthew will continue with these) would be good to be placed on www.debian.org/devel/ somewhere under Teams or something? How about adding a link to it from www.debian.org/intro/organization/ under the FTP Archives text (in this case) as well? Just another logical place where I'd expect to find it. Cheers Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wrong meaning of GNU/Linux on Debian Project mainpage
On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 04:22:13PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: But hey, if you're seriously advocating we drop the GNU/ and just call it Debian Linux... No way! I must say I was quite shocked to see people in the Google ads discussion search for debian linux to see what kind of adds they would see. Out of curiosity I think they all should search for debian gnu/linux, I got different ads (and more relevant ones iirc!) compared to the former. I didn't mention it then as there didn't seem much point in it. Think about it, just as there is Debian GNU/HURD there is Debian GNU/Linux and if you want to make it short just make it Debian. Not that I feel like arguing about or changing the intro text on the website though... It looks ok right now. Cheers Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org
Re: Google ads on debian.org
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 05:08:41PM +, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: I received the following message from someone at Google: Google is interested in advertising on debian.org. I realize your site currently isn't running any advertising, however what we're proposing is much different, and complimentary to your sites goal. Normally, I reply to advertising requests on debian.org with a polite no. However, given that google ads are widely considered different to normal ads, and might even enhance a web site, I thought I'd ask on -project to see what other people think. I'd prefer to make this a polite no as well. I don't think debian should have any adds, let alone some that can't be controlled at all. Futermore it would create lots of trouble. Just think about the number of emails of random people we get on -project about totally unrelated servers who run debian and even explicitly say that debian has nothing to do with them. You expect them to realise the ad has noting to do with debian? A polite no would be great. Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org
Re: Debian CDs organisation
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 09:44:33AM +0200, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: distributed: should Debian still come with traditional CD images at all? yes Perhaps Debian could - publish a DVD image for those without broadband (does Debian even fit on one DVD?) - publish a Netinst image for the masses And make it very obvious in the documentation that there are tools like apt-zip (I've not used it - is it ready to be used easily?) Perhaps include such tools on the netinst image. It is still a bit early to assume everyone has a DVD drive. Also you can't assume everyone has regular acces to a networked computer. You can assume access once in a while to a networked computer so people can burn the CD's or DVD's but not more. I feel a lot of users would be left out. Personally I loved it to have all the CD's when I still couldn't have broadband. On the other hand, is it so hard to keep the CD images? I thought it was exactly the same, getting a DVD image or a CD image, all it takes is an other jigdo file no? If you want to drop the pre-build iso images I could agree with that if jigdo is available all platforms (I have no idea of the state of jigdo, never had to use it). How many people would be unable to use Debian with this scheme? I believe in industrialized countries, most (prospective) Debian users have broadband or at least know somebody who has broadband. How is the situation in countries with thinner Internet coverage? As before, knowing someone with broadband is good enough to get the CD's. You don't want to go every week asking for another lot of packages. And to me it even seems from the discription of apt-zip (also never used) that it needs an other UNIX system. Which is also evident for every new user. (NOTE - this is based on the assumption that distributing the packages on the CDs actually causes considerable work - no need to drop CD images if it's actually very easy to produce them.) Well, I thought jigdo made it really easy. I may be wrong of course. floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org
Re: requirments
On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 06:01:07AM +0800, Shane McCarthy wrote: hi, im new to linux and im planning on getting the latest version of debian, woody i think its nicknamed. but im not going to dual boot it, instead im going to build a new box, could you recommend compatable hardware? i want to keep it as cheap as possible. thanks, Any box will do, make it as cheap as you want. The only box I own is running testing, so a bit heavier load even, and is a Pentium-mmx 166MHz, 92Mb of RAM, 7Gb hard disk, a 16bit graphics card with 2Mb of momory, some standard stuff like floppy, cdrom and network cards -all about the crappiest one can get. Oh yeah, I even have a soundcard, some original soundblaster iirc. Anyway, this is much lower spec than you can currently find anywhere on the market I suppose so don't be to worried... I must admit my GNOME2 is sometimes a bit slow, but it all still is fine as it is the only computer I have and still makes me happy. Have fun flub -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org
Re: Ethernet Card Install Problems
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 10:11:03AM -0400, Patrick Moroney wrote: I'm trying to install Debian 3.0 Stable with 2.2 kernal onto my home PC snip At first I was trying a Linksys card but gave up. After reviewing your documentation, I decided to purchase a Netgear card; with its limited number of chip set choices I figure I'll have a better chance at success. After getting successfully Debian installed (save the ethernet), and then going to /lib/modules/2.2.../net directory and trying insmod natsemi.o, I get the following message: natsemi.o - unresolved symbol pci_drv_unregister natsemi.o - unresolved symbol pci_drv_register natsemi.o You are trying to load a module without a GPL compatible license and it has unresolved symbols. Contact the module supplier for assistance, only they can help you. I'm not sure if this will help, but you might give it a try. first do `depmod' and after that try `modprobe natsemi' (both you can do from any directory, just make sure you are root). If that doesn't work you might have some more trouble which I am unlikely to be able to help you with. I'm unfamiliar with both the board and NIC. If these simple things work you want to add `natsemi' in /etc/modules to be loaded at boottime. Using a higher kernel version is also better imho, the 2.4.x series (which is in stable aka woody as package kernel-image-2.4.whathever) I had once on a very old pc where the 2.4 kernel had no problem whatsoever with the NIC while the 2.2 kernel's drivers wouldn't do the work. Well, I hope this simple stuff gets you going. Oh yeah, also next time use the list [EMAIL PROTECTED] for questions like this (and also please follow up this mail there). You'll get more and better response I guess. Cheers, floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org
Re: Respect (was Re: Some Comments on Sexism in #debian)
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:28:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:14:52AM -0500, Evan Prodromou wrote: AS The rest of your mail was based on similarly dumb ideas. Which ideas do I have that are so dumb? That you shouldn't be mean when you don't have to? Yes, that's hippie shit. If you s/shouldn't/don't need to/ then it's just a tautology. As a should, it's just dumb. Ok, I'll happily join the club of dumb people then. Now I finally know how intelligent I am :-) cheers, flub -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org
Re: cd distribution
Have a look at http://www.debian.org/CD/artwork/ And as you can read there, you are free to submit your own design :-) caio, flub On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 10:59:30AM -0800, Silvatech wrote: I am a computer consultant I currently sell openoffice on cds for linux as well as windows. I Would like to see your version of linux. I just need to know what download in paticular need to be on there etc to make sure I will have exactly to your liking. I read the agreement and that sounds fine. Also I was wondering openoffice has cd picture images made up. DO you have any images made up for debian. IF not I would be hapyy to donate some time making a cdpicture for the front of the cds and distributing it to you for approvals as well for you to give and sue to anyone you would like =) Paul T. Silva cd image i mean the picture on the physical front of the cd. -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org
Re: Which cds do i really need...
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 04:13:52PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 12:17:46PM -0800, Colin Gibson wrote: I am interested in downloading debian linux simply to try the operating system out. If possible I would like to download only what is absolutely necessary (as well as a few of the programs to test). Therefore I would like to know which of the cd's would cater for this, if possible. Sometimes some cd's are only extra for other bits and bobs, however, for simply testing the OS these would not be worth the trouble of downloading. I highly recommend downloading knoppix. It's a quick way to try out something that is very close to a Debian system with little fuss. It's a liveCD, which means that you can just boot the computer with the CD in the drive, and it will load a fully functional system. You'll be able to find the iso's linked from www.knoppix.org. If you want to install Debian however you will have enough whith only the first cd... Just follow the link CD ISO images from the main Debbain site (www.debian.org). Knoppix is very good however, this is just in case you want to try it as an installed OS. Cheers, Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org
Re: debian 2.2 availability?
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 02:25:51PM -0600, Alfonso Gallegos wrote: Can you tell me where I can download Debian version 2.2? ftp://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/potato or http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/potato in a sources.list file of apt something like: deb ftp://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ potato main or deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ potato main should work I reckon (contrib non-free are also possible ofcourse instead of only main) floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org
Re: general intrest
On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:21:04PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested in replacing a very frustrating Windows ME system. All the info I find states that Linux can do any thing and even more than MS. My most major concern is, will it work with current files I already have accumulated? Such as music,pictures,photos, word documents i have created, other programs i have purchased, such as Click Art,Create a Card,etc... music, pictures are absolutely no problem (except when in .wma or similar format, but mplayer still can play them and these formats are bad anyway; like many MS formats). Word documents are rubbish like any other WYSIWYG word-processor, but OpenOffice.org can read them (can't believe you didn't use OpenOffice.org already, it also exits for win32 and looks a lot better then MS-Office) Note however that MPlayer and OpenOffice.org are not yet available in Debian stable (woody). OpenOffice.org will be in the next release I guess but I'm not so sure about MPlayer, it might be necessary to compile some things from source -- not difficult of course :). Other purchased programs might be some problem however. Check your vendor if they provide GNU/Linux programs, distribute source or similar. If they are really unfriendly there still exists Wine, a windows emulator. However the emulator is under development (will always be if you ask my opinion) and is not always able to run a win32 program. You might be on your own there. I don't know any of the programs you listed so can't tell anything more. None of these purchased products have any load options for any thing other than Windows or Mac,how will these items load into Linux? Don't really understand what you're asking here... Another concern, is it compatible with America On Line? or other IP's? afaik it is straightforward, but I never saw AOL in my life and some people might have an different opinion about how straightforward AOL is. I am very interested in Linux, but need assurance that my computer won't have an identity crisis with out Windows. It will find it's true identity finally I would think :) Anyway, don't expect to much problems, but also don't be scared from the first message (good or bad) you will see. Sometimes (for uncommon things, HW/SW) it might require some looking around. And again, due to the closed-source/proprietary nature of the MS-world some files might not be entirely readable. You could live some time in a dual-boot situation to say goodbye to some file, or till you converted them. Happy hacking! floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org
Re: Linux
I want to learn Linux/Unix. Is Debian OS right for that? snip To your question: In my opinion no. Well, in my opinion yes :). I've done it this way, in fact Debian was the first operating system I ever saw (really! I did see a mac before but never thouched it). Thus I claim Debian is suitable for learing *NIX like systems. The installing might perhaps be a bit more difficult than others, but again my first installation I ever did was also Debian (however after being user for some time). Thus if you are intrested I would certainly give it a try! Regards, floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org
Re: Debian reliability growth
On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 07:46:08AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Debian stable is like a Cisco machine. You install/purchase it, you configure it, you put it into a corner and forget about it (in case for Debian except for security updates). You don't have to maintain it too actively and can concentrate on the things that are important to you or your business. Hmm perhaps not a question for this list, but wat happens when the following lines are in sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stable/updates main and there is a new release, i.e. `stable' is now a symlink to say `sarge' instead of `woody'? When the box does its weekly `apt-get update apt-get upgrade' Won't there change a lot? And wouldn't it also become hazardous with only the second line? floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org
Re: rest of the cds?
(First lests note that it's a bad practise to send html-mails) On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 02:56:39PM +, Manoj Sharma wrote: I want to know that how can avail the other cds of debian, what will be the mode of payment, and to which address I have to send the money and in how much time I will get the CDs. Debian itself does not sell the cd's, however: You can download them from the web if you have a nice internet acces and a CD-writer, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/cd. Or you can try to find some vendor who sell's the CD's near you (or is willing to send them), have a look at http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/. Or have a general look at http://www.debian.org/distrib Anyway, if you could find this mailinglist you certainly have found http://www.debian.org already. There is plenty of reference to all you want to know in there. floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org
