Bug#833865: jessie-pu: package youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1
retitle 833865 RM: youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1 user release.debian@packages.debian.org usertags 833865 = rm Hi, On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 11:50:27AM -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > If youtube-dl cannot be updated in this fashion, then it is my opinion > that it should be completely removed from stable and blocked from > entering testing in the future so that we don't have the same problem > in future releases. It would mean denying users access to an excellent > piece of softwae, however, which would be a shame. With the final point release for Jessie about to be frozen, this isn't really something we're in a position to fix properly. Unless you object (soon), I think it best that we remove youtube-dl from Jessie instead. Thanks, -- Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51
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Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > retitle 833865 RM: youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1 Bug #833865 [release.debian.org] jessie-pu: package youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1 Changed Bug title to 'RM: youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1' from 'jessie-pu: package youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1'. > user release.debian@packages.debian.org Setting user to release.debian@packages.debian.org (was j...@debian.org). > usertags 833865 = rm Usertags were: pu. Usertags are now: rm. > Hi, Unknown command or malformed arguments to command. > On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 11:50:27AM -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote: Unknown command or malformed arguments to command. > > If youtube-dl cannot be updated in this fashion, then it is my opinion Unknown command or malformed arguments to command. > > that it should be completely removed from stable and blocked from Unknown command or malformed arguments to command. > > entering testing in the future so that we don't have the same problem Unknown command or malformed arguments to command. Too many unknown commands, stopping here. Please contact me if you need assistance. -- 833865: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833865 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems
Bug#833865: jessie-pu: package youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1
On 2016-12-17 05:34:35, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 14:52:44 -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > >> On 2016-11-24 13:04:21, Julien Cristau wrote: >> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:50:27 -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote: >> > >> >> This is a tentative of opening the discussion regarding a more regular >> >> update of the youtube-dl package in Debian stable. >> >> >> > TBH I think this should never have reached stable in the first place... >> >> So what should happen now? Should it be removed from stretch? >> >> What do we do with the version that *is* in testing? >> >> Isn't that what volatile (now -updates) was designed for? >> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2012/msg0.html >> >> It explicitly mentions: >> >> """ >> * Fixes to leaf packages that were broken by external changes (e.g. >>video downloading tools and tor). >> """ > > So once upon a time libquvi-scripts was supposed to help with that, by > being a relatively self-contained set of per-site lua scripts that could > get updated and then used by a variety of packages. Unfortunately that > appears to be dead, so I'm not sure what to suggest nowadays. Yeah, I was a user of libquvi-scripts. I even prodded joeyh so that he implements support for it in git-annex so that we could have URL-backed youtube videos in there... Only to discover it would rot like that... It's too bad, really: quvi was the right approach - but youtube-dl seems to have won the race. It supports more platforms and keeps up with the changes. Really, it's an algorithmic problem: you can't just push that stuff in metadata and treat it as simple databases that need to be independently of the main program logic... A. -- In god we trust, others pay cash. - Richard Desjardins, Miami
Bug#833865: jessie-pu: package youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 14:52:44 -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > On 2016-11-24 13:04:21, Julien Cristau wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:50:27 -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > > > >> This is a tentative of opening the discussion regarding a more regular > >> update of the youtube-dl package in Debian stable. > >> > > TBH I think this should never have reached stable in the first place... > > So what should happen now? Should it be removed from stretch? > > What do we do with the version that *is* in testing? > > Isn't that what volatile (now -updates) was designed for? > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2012/msg0.html > > It explicitly mentions: > > """ > * Fixes to leaf packages that were broken by external changes (e.g. >video downloading tools and tor). > """ > So once upon a time libquvi-scripts was supposed to help with that, by being a relatively self-contained set of per-site lua scripts that could get updated and then used by a variety of packages. Unfortunately that appears to be dead, so I'm not sure what to suggest nowadays. Cheers, Julien
Bug#833865: jessie-pu: package youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1
On 2016-11-24 13:04:21, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:50:27 -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > >> This is a tentative of opening the discussion regarding a more regular >> update of the youtube-dl package in Debian stable. >> > TBH I think this should never have reached stable in the first place... So what should happen now? Should it be removed from stretch? What do we do with the version that *is* in testing? Isn't that what volatile (now -updates) was designed for? https://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2012/msg0.html It explicitly mentions: """ * Fixes to leaf packages that were broken by external changes (e.g. video downloading tools and tor). """ A. -- Qui vit sans folie n'est pas si sage qu'il croit. - François de La Rochefoucauld
Bug#833865: jessie-pu: package youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1
On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:50:27 -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > This is a tentative of opening the discussion regarding a more regular > update of the youtube-dl package in Debian stable. > TBH I think this should never have reached stable in the first place... Cheers, Julien
Bug#833865: jessie-pu: package youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1
retitle 840839 youtube-dl: please package new upstream version 2016.11.18 thanks On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 02:23:42PM -0500, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > The thing is, at this point I doubt anybody can even *use* the version > in jessie: youtube doesn't work and while there are other sites > supported, I think it's safe to assume that's what most people use it > for. while this is true and somewhat migated by youtube-dl in jessie-bpo it's now also the case that sometimes downloading videos from youtune fails with 2016.06.25-2~ :-/ -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Bug#833865: jessie-pu: package youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1
Control: tag -1 -moreinfo On 2016-11-20 13:15:13, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 11:50:27AM -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote: >> Unfortunately, this is a scenario in which providing a small patch to >> fix the problem is probably impossible. What I would suggest here is >> to simply ship the version from testing as a proposed update for the >> next stable release. > > Hmm. How crazy does a diff of that currently look? 771 files changed, 78540 insertions(+), 18325 deletions(-) The debdiff is 4.6MB. I am assuming that's too insane to CC here. The thing is, at this point I doubt anybody can even *use* the version in jessie: youtube doesn't work and while there are other sites supported, I think it's safe to assume that's what most people use it for. A. -- La démocratie réelle se définit d'abord et avant tout par la participation massive des citoyens à la gestion des affaires de la cité. Elle est directe et participative. Elle trouve son expression la plus authentique dans l'assemblée populaire et le dialogue permanent sur l'organisation de la vie en commun. - De la servitude moderne
Bug#833865: jessie-pu: package youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1
Control: tag -1 moreinfo On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 11:50:27AM -0400, Antoine Beaupré wrote: > Unfortunately, this is a scenario in which providing a small patch to > fix the problem is probably impossible. What I would suggest here is > to simply ship the version from testing as a proposed update for the > next stable release. Hmm. How crazy does a diff of that currently look? Thanks, -- Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51
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Bug#833865: jessie-pu: package youtube-dl/2014.08.05-1+deb8u1
Package: release.debian.org Severity: normal Tags: jessie User: release.debian@packages.debian.org Usertags: pu This is a tentative of opening the discussion regarding a more regular update of the youtube-dl package in Debian stable. Currently, Youtube-dl does not work in stable: it fails to download videos from youtube completely. While other sites may work, its primary purpose simply fails and tells users to ugrade their package to the latest version using their package manager, which fails because it *is* the latest version. An example of this scenario is Bug#781180, which clearly shows the software doesn't work at all. Unfortunately, this is a scenario in which providing a small patch to fix the problem is probably impossible. What I would suggest here is to simply ship the version from testing as a proposed update for the next stable release. Note that upstream does not have a stable release branch, and they make frequent (ie. about monthly) releases which may be difficult to keep up with. However, I believe the release schedule of stable may be sufficient to keep up with the largest changes on the bigger websites. If youtube-dl cannot be updated in this fashion, then it is my opinion that it should be completely removed from stable and blocked from entering testing in the future so that we don't have the same problem in future releases. It would mean denying users access to an excellent piece of softwae, however, which would be a shame. Thanks for considering this request! -- System Information: Debian Release: 8.5 APT prefers stable-updates APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'proposed-updates'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'testing') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=fr_CA.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_CA.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
