aout/elf

[Tim Sailer]

Can some kind soul tell me if there is a libg++ for the aout compiler,
or, if not, how to get a ELF binary to run on a stock 1.2.0 kernel
aout system? I have elf enabled in the kernel, but it doesn't run..
I forget the message right now. It's a farily simple c++ program,
but it's running (or supposed to) on an embeded system based on
1.2.0

Tim

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 -- Anon
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Re: installing debian with initrd

[Bruce Perens]

> Is there a compressed filesystem in a file somewhere (I already have
> a kernel) where I can just do:
> 
> loadlin kernel initrd=image.gz root=/dev/ramdisk
> 
> and start installing?

I am working on this for Debian 1.2 . Currently, you have to go through
the 5-floppy thing as detailed in my installation document on our WWW
site and also via FTP as
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/stable/disks-i386/current/install.html .

I am planning to make 3 initrd files. Which one you use depends on how
much RAM you have. The smallest one boots to a miniroot, and you have
to feed in a floppy to get the device driver modules. This is
suitable for 4MB systems. The next larger one contains the miniroot
and all of the modules, and you have to feed in floppies for the base
system. This is suitable for 8MB system. The largest contains the entire
base system, and is suitable for 16MB systems. These should run directly
off of a CD or DOS partition, and will make floppy-less install possible
for most people.

Thanks

Bruce

Re: Latex: where to install new styles? Mf: how to muzzle?

[RHS Linux User]

Hi there

I normally assume that Latex should be installed in /usr/local/texmf
 where all the libraries and styles are included. for everything to work 
perfectly you should add the proper paths in the /etc/bashrc or .bashrc

export TEXMF=/usr/local/texmf
export TEXINPUTS=.:$TEXMF/tex/latex2e//:$TEXMF/tex//

with these paths all the needed styles and defs are found by the system.

However and I dont know why linux distributions came with texmf installed 
in the /usr/lib/texmf

which is almost the same thing.

so what I should do in your case could be one of the two following things:

 - reinstall the latex package in the /usr/local/
   and install the new styles in the styles directory inside texmf

   or go ahead and install the packages in /usr/local but create a 
simbolic link in the styles directory inside /usr/lib/texmf where ever it is.

hope this helps

miguel


On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Jean Orloff wrote:

> 
> To begin with:
> I installed Latex2e-7 yesterday, with libmf required, the mf**
> packages mentionned earlier, and it all works without a single "format not
> found"! Thanks debian-user!!!
> 
> Now the questions:
> 
> 1) Where/how am I supposed to install latex styles for all users?
> /usr/lib/texmf/tex is quite a jungle, and I thought I was not supposed to
> customize /usr. But if I put in /usr/local, how to comply with the mysterious
> logics behind Latex2e, and above all, how to get it accessible? I failed to
> find an /etc config file...
> 
> 2) Kpathsea is a nice and powerful thing. However, when viewing a dvi from
> netscape, chances are it will contain unsual fonts and thus produce a lot of
> output like 
>   The letter A
>   The letter B
>   
> which is not thrilling, and which netscape chops into many dialogs you have to
> each kill on the OK button... How do I tell metafont to run silently? I don't
> mind keeping a single line each time a font is built... Again, no /etc config
> file in sight...
> 
> Amities,
> 
>   Jean Orloff
> + +   +   +   +   +   +   +   ++
> +Tel:(33)50.09.16.75   Fax:(33)50.09.94.95   http://lapphp0.in2p3.fr/~orloff/+
> + +   +   +   +   +   +   +   ++
> In a Yugoslavian hotel:
>The flattening of underwear with pleasure is the job of the 
>chambermaid.
> + +   +   +   +   +   +   +   ++
> 
> 

installing debian with initrd

[Marty Leisner]

Is there a compressed filesystem in a file somewhere (I already have
a kernel) where I can just do:

loadlin kernel initrd=image.gz root=/dev/ramdisk

and start installing?

I do kinda the same thing with slackware [I know how to (I never tried 
debian), I know what I have to do to install slackware (I mount the slackware
disk on some other directory have my initrd), I'd like a more
integrated approach...



--- End of Forwarded Message


-- 
marty
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Member of the League for Programming Freedom

Re: eepro.c

[Bruce Perens]

[Question about how to neatly change the eepro driver CSR address]

If it's a module, try "modprobe eepro io=0x230". If that works, add it
to /etc/conf.modules . Otherwise, just add 0x230 to eepro_portlist.

Bruce

Re: time to split the list?

[Winfried Truemper]

I'm only subscribed to lists which do not carry more than 10 mails/week.
This way my mailbox keeps mostly interesting stuff which I can oversee.

It is a _must_ to convert high-traffic lists into newsgroups because:

   - one gets overwhelmed by the number of e-mails per day,
   - the disk gets clobbered by the size of the whole bunch (argh, I
 had 5 people sumitted to "debian-users" on my system),

   - newbies are not capable of (or have other problems than) setting
 up e-mail filters to sort the whole junk (hint: gnus is really
 cool), 

   - high-traffic often means "general interest" (so why not make it
 more public?),

   - one actually pays for the whole junk to download it via modem,

   - one has to unsubscribe when going on holidays,



On the other hand I see that

   + developers need to communicate more quickly than via news (takes
 up to 4 days)

   + it is much easier to create a mailing-list than a newsgroup


So my suggestions are:

   o Tell the people about the newsgroup "linux.debian.users" as an
 alternative to the mailinglist when confirming their
 subscription.
 Ignoring the technical stuff is a special case of ignoring
 subjects of no personally interest and can be done with most
 news-readers.
 (Yes, you can do this "easily" with mailinglist by using gnus,
  too but thats the exception.) 

   o make at least "debian-users-digest" for those people who want to
 keep on with the most interesting things

   o split the mailing-list to keep developers off from
 newbie-questions (they are likely to "waste" their time!) into

 debian-installation
 for questions "not" covered by the installation-manual :-)

 debian-newbies
 for those who have at least reached the login-prompt
 but aren't familiar with the system yet [no technical
 discussion allowed here; even such evil words as "emacs",
 "kernel" and such are strictly forbidden] :-)

 debian-users
 the good old list; for "long-time" debian-users

 debian-towers
 high-level technical discussions


   o make a "debian-all-digest" from all that lists above


-Winfried

Re: Latex: where to install new styles? Mf: how to muzzle?

[Dirk . Eddelbuettel]

  Jean> 1) Where/how am I supposed to install latex styles for all users?

Below /usr/local/lib/texmf/tex/latex/

As kpathsea searches recursively (see /usr/lib/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf), I
usually keep some subdirs (that match the CTAN structure).

  Jean> 2) Kpathsea is a nice and powerful thing. However, when viewing a dvi
  Jean> from netscape, chances are it will contain unsual fonts and thus
  Jean> produce a lot of output like  [...]

Hm, I presume netscape just calls xdvi as you would from the command line.
So you have to configure it anyway. One file that needs some configuration
is
/usr/lib/texmf/dvips/config.ps  
for things as resolution, papersize, ... This should probably be in /etc and
softlinked back to /usr/lib/texmf/dvips/config.ps

--
Dirk Eddelb"uttel http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd

Re: time to split the list?

[Bill Wohler]

  Casper made some good points regarding debian-install.  Let's start
  with debian-install and debian-user and see how it goes.  I don't
  like debian-*technical.  At the moment, the line between debian-user
  and a potential debian-devel is rather fuzzy in my mind and as such
  both would carry much of the same traffic.  (Isn't there already a
  list for the debian developers for discussion of packaging and
  releases and such that wouldn't be of interest to the general
  public?)

Bill Wohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   ph: +1-415-854-1857  fax: +1-415-854-3195
Say it with MIME.  Maintainer of comp.mail.mh and news.software.nn FAQs.
If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane.

Re: Upgrading to un-debianized kernel

[Dirk Bernhardt]

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> Miro Torrielli writes:

> I recently upgraded to the 2.0.17 kernel, although this problem
> occured with other non-debian kernels.  I now get, on boot, and in
> my daemon log when use diald and pppd, Can't locate module net-pf-4
> "" "" "" -5

You have to add

alias net-pf-4 off  # if you don't use the ipx module
alias net-pf-5 off  # if you don't use the appletalk module

to /etc/conf.modules.

Ciao,
- Krid -

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Java Workshop

[Miro Torrielli]

The Java Workshop mini-howto in the latest doc-debian
package describes how to setup JW on Linux. However,
the latest JW, version 1.0, has just been released, and
is slightly different than the old version referred to
in the howto. Is the setup procedure the same?

I doubt it, because there are some new shared libraries
and executables not mentioned in the howto, obviousy in
Solaris format.

Thanx again... :-)

Latex: where to install new styles? Mf: how to muzzle?

[Jean Orloff]

To begin with:
I installed Latex2e-7 yesterday, with libmf required, the mf**
packages mentionned earlier, and it all works without a single "format not
found"! Thanks debian-user!!!

Now the questions:

1) Where/how am I supposed to install latex styles for all users?
/usr/lib/texmf/tex is quite a jungle, and I thought I was not supposed to
customize /usr. But if I put in /usr/local, how to comply with the mysterious
logics behind Latex2e, and above all, how to get it accessible? I failed to
find an /etc config file...

2) Kpathsea is a nice and powerful thing. However, when viewing a dvi from
netscape, chances are it will contain unsual fonts and thus produce a lot of
output like 
The letter A
The letter B

which is not thrilling, and which netscape chops into many dialogs you have to
each kill on the OK button... How do I tell metafont to run silently? I don't
mind keeping a single line each time a font is built... Again, no /etc config
file in sight...

Amities,

Jean Orloff
+   +   +   +   +   +   +   +   ++
+Tel:(33)50.09.16.75   Fax:(33)50.09.94.95   http://lapphp0.in2p3.fr/~orloff/+
+   +   +   +   +   +   +   +   ++
In a Yugoslavian hotel:
   The flattening of underwear with pleasure is the job of the 
   chambermaid.
+   +   +   +   +   +   +   +   ++

RE: files without package

[Guy Maor]

On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Casper BodenCummins wrote:

>   /etc/passwd~
>   Looks like a temp file. Can anyone shed some light on this?

passwd writes it out whenever something changes, just in case.

>   /usr/bin/[*
>   This is junk. Blow it away.

Actually this is a link to test.  POSIX.2 (?) mandates its existence
for shells which don't provide it.  It's listed in dpkg -L shellutils,
btw.  There must be a bug in your script which generated this list.

>   /dev/initctl|
>   /dev/printer=
>   /dev/xconsole|
>   Are there really these symbols on the end?

He did an ls -F.

> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  84 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd*

These were created by /usr/sbin/MAKEFLOPPIES when you installed
fdutils.

I would guess most of the other files are managed by the package's
control scripts.


Guy

Re: PGP pP

[Lars Wirzenius]

Jan Camenisch:
> well for me a PGP signature in MIME format looks like this
> mail and the PGP header says PGP-signature rather than message...

More precisely, it says

Content-type: application/pgp; 
format=mime; x-action=signclear; x-originator=29160A2D

That MIME content type is based on a draft-RFC, which has
since been withdrawn. The PGP/MIME stuff I mentioned
earlier is the current draft-RFC for a MIME type for PGP.

The old draft is supported by many mailers, the new one by
very few (I only know of exmh). I use it because it makes
life much easier for people who don't have PGP support at
all, but do have MIME support. (People who don't have MIME
support need to upgrade, anyway.)

-- 
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Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list.




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Re: newsgroup creation RFD - draft

[David Gaudine]

On 6 Sep 1996, Juri Pakaste wrote:

> Wouldn't comp.os.linux.distrib.debian.* or something similar be
> better? If users of other distributions decide that they'd like to
> have newsgroups too, things would be pretty confusing with
> c.o.l.{debian,redhat,caldera,slackware,craftworks,yggdrasil,wgs,
> linux-ft}.* etc.

As opposed to
c.o.l.d.{debian,redhat,caldera,slackware,craftworks,yggdrasil,wgs,
linux-ft}.*
?

Of course the difference is that these would be clearly separated from
{misc,hardware,networking,announce,setup,answers,x}
but that doesn't seem important.

FVW95 anyone?

[Christoph Lameter]

Is anyone working on getting fvwm95 debianized? I have a halfway working
package and I wonder if its worth the effort to finish it since I saw
some discussion about other people working on it.

RE: files without package

[Casper BodenCummins]

Max Hyre wrote:

>   Dear Andreas:
>
>Casper BodenCummins wrote:
>
>>  /usr/bin/[*
>>  This is junk. Blow it away.
>
>DON'T DO IT!
>
>Whew---sorry for shouting, but:  This is indeed a file named ``['',
>and it's executable (hence the ``*'' in what must be an ls -lF
>listing).
>
>``['' is a synonym for the ``test'' command, used in shell programming
>constructs such as:
[..]

Hey, *sorry* folks (especially Andreas). This bit of bad advice really
generated a lot of replies. I never would have realised that "[" was a
link to "test" - what a bizarre-looking and cunning way to do it.

It brings to mind the unofficial SAS motto: assumption is the mother of
all f*ck-ups.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

Re: files without package

[Nikita Schmidt]

Casper BodenCummins wrote:
> 
>   /usr/bin/[*
>   This is junk. Blow it away.
>

Actually, /usr/bin/[ is the same as /usr/bin/test (they are
hardlinked).  And, in my
opinion, they are not junk.  Yes, bash has them built in, but some other
shells may
have not.

> 
>   /dev/initctl|
>   /dev/printer=
>   /dev/xconsole|
>   Are there really these symbols on the end?
> 

I think no, it's just ls -F.

Kit.

Re: files without package

[Bernd Eckenfels]

Hi,

>   /etc/passwd~
>   Looks like a temp file. Can anyone shed some light on this?

This can be created by editing /etcpasswd by hand Delete it..

> 
>   /usr/bin/[*
>   This is junk. Blow it away.

No, this is the Binary "test", it is needed for things like "[ -f "bla" ]"
for shells wich dont support builtin test support. This is required from
POSIX afaik.

>   /dev/initctl|
>   /dev/printer=
>   /dev/xconsole|
>   Are there really these symbols on the end?

Those are named pipes and unix domain sockets needed to operate the system.

Greetings
Bernd

Re: files without package

[Max Hyre]

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   Dear Andreas:

Casper BodenCummins wrote:

>  /usr/bin/[*
>  This is junk. Blow it away.

DON'T DO IT!

Whew---sorry for shouting, but:  This is indeed a file named ``['',
and it's executable (hence the ``*'' in what must be an ls -lF
listing).

``['' is a synonym for the ``test'' command, used in shell programming
constructs such as:

if [ -z "`hostname`" ]; then
hostconfig -p bootparams
fi

(from my rc.boot file [I'm using Solaris at the moment, not Linux :-( ]).

   If you remove /bin/[, more stuff will break than you knew you had.

   FWIW, ``/etc/passwd~'' is the name emacs gives to a backup file
when it's edited /etc/passwd.  If you use emacs, that's where it came
from.  Maybe other editors use the same convention?

   For the rest, I can't help.


Sincerely yours,

Max Hyre

**>> What's all this garbage at the bottom of my message?  It's a
 security blanket for paranoids---ask me for details, or check
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Re: time to split the list?

[Christopher R. Hertel]

On Sep 6,  8:31am, Thomas R Behrndt wrote:
> Subject: Re: time to split the list?
: A very good idea. However, it might be a good idea to retain the name
: debian-user as well, particularly since there is now a news group of
: that name.

Seconded.  I like the name debian-user better than debian-nontechnical.
 The latter (IMHO) sounds a bit more as though we are trying to divide
subscribers based on their knowledge level.

-- 
Christopher R. Hertel -)-   University of Minnesota
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Networking and Telecommunications Services

Boot Hangs on New Install

[Kevin K. Lewis]

I just installed Debian 1.1 last night (overwriting my old Slackware
install).  I got through the smoke-test (ie, reboot), and everything
seemed fairly okay (got a couple warnings about post?-install scripts
not being found).  I installed my packages, setup X (my mouse won't
work ;-), user accounts, etc.

I then went to reboot.  I got:

LILO: Loading Linux

And that's it.  No dots.  Nothing.  But my disk light stayed on.  So I
decided to wait a bit.  Still nothing.  So I rebooted with my custom
floppy.  Came up fine.

My root disk (/) is hda1, set as bootable.  It's about 350MB (is this
a problem?).  The rest of this disk went to a 64MB swap.  There is
another disk (hdb) mounted on `/archive'.

I didn't try just using `vmlinux' instead of `vmlinuz' (I'd have to
take the `compact' out of `lilo.conf', right?).  I did compile and
install a new kernel, but it didn't help.

Does anyone have any idea what could have gone wrong?  I've had my old
Linux install working for ~3years.  Never a problem like this.

Thanks for any help.

-- 
Kevin K. Lewis   | My opinions may be unreasonable
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   | but such is the voice of inspiration

Re: time to split the list?

[Dale Scheetz]

On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> Some newbies tell me they find debian-user intimidating due to the high
> level of technical discussion that sometimes goes on there. Is it time
> to split the list? About 2 years ago I proposed a separate list just for
> people trying to install the system. At the time we did not have enough
> traffic for that. We probably do now.

I suspect that the intimidation is more due to the volume of mail
(specially if these folks are suggesting that a news group would be a
better forum) and simply don't wish to deal with that volume. Any good
mail viewer (even pine) provide good sort facilities (to pull a thread
together), so there is no reason to "have" to read messages that are too
technical.
Another point: Our mailing lists are some of the most friendly forums
available on the net and only the most obnoxious folks recieve any flames.

> 
> I would propose:
> 
>   debian-install
>   debian-nontechnical
>   debian-technical
> 
I would prefer debian-install, debian-user, and debian-devel. I don't see
any discussion of Debian that could go into debian-nontechnical. Even a
discussion of the color scheme in dselect could quickly degenerate into a
technical discussion. As has been stated elsewhere, we already have
debian-talk, which satisfies all needs for off-topic discussions.

I have no problems with splitting the mailing lists (they currently all
come to me) but would be very opposed to moving them to news groups.
However, a moderated news group that feeds both from and to the mail lists
could be an advantagious setup.

Thanks for your time,

Dwarf

  --

aka   Dale Scheetz   Phone:   1 (904) 877-0257
  Flexible Software  Fax: NONE 
  Black Creek Critters   e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 If you don't see what you want, just ask --

Re: PGP pP

[Jan Camenisch]

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Re: tex font problems

[Hakan Ardo]

Susan G. Kleinmann wrote:
> > \"{a}, \aa and so on does not show up in the .dvi file. Has anybody else
> > moticed this? 
> 
> As far as I can tell, these are not LaTeX constructions, but TeX 
> constructions.
> I made a silly .tex file with these lines:
> 
> =begin junk.tex
> backslash quote curly-brace a curly-brace is \"{a}.
> backslash a a is \aa.
> \vfill \eject \end
> =end   junk.tex
> 
> Then I ran 
> tex junk
> dvips -o morejunk junk
> ghostview morejunk
> 
> and the characters showed up just as expected.

Well, they don't on my instalation :-) I tested just the same. But my junk.log
contains the two lines:

Missing character: There is no ^^e4 in font cmr10!
Missing character: There is no ^^e5 in font cmr10!


Thomas Schiex wrote:
> So the following text will be Ok (but would'nt w/o the fontenc package).
> 
> ---
> \documentclass{article}
> \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
> 
> \begin{document}
> 
> 
> 
> \end{document}
> ---
> 
> (NOTE: You will probably get an error message telling that dcr1000.mf is not
> found: the Debian LaTeX DC font installation is FAULTY here (a mismatch

So I did.

> between the version of the DC fonts and the version of the font description
> files). Try getting the last version of the DC fonts on a CTAN archive (see
> below). You'll find them in
> 
>   fonts/dc/ready-mf/*
> 
>   (these files should replace all the files that are in
>   /usr/lib/texmf/fonts/source/public/dc/ )

hmm, I have no /usr/lib/texmf/fonts/source/public/dc/ directory. But the 
status of mfdcfnt is ok installed, Version: 1.0-1. However, I created one
and placed the new fonts there.

>   
>   fonts/dc/tfm/*
> 
>   (these files should relplace all files in 
>   /usr/lib/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/dc/)

OK, that directory excisted, so I updated it.

And, now your latex example works just fine (using ISO characters in the latex
file), but Susan G. Kleinmann's junk.tex still wount give me any umlaut 
characters.

> 

Re: newsgroup creation RFD - draft

[Juri Pakaste]

> "BCW" == Brian C White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 >> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
 >> 
 >> moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.announce moderated group
 >> comp.os.linux.debian.install moderated group
 >> comp.os.linux.debian.nontech moderated group
 >> comp.os.linux.debian.tech moderated group
 >> comp.os.linux.debian.changes
 >> 

Wouldn't comp.os.linux.distrib.debian.* or something similar be
better? If users of other distributions decide that they'd like to
have newsgroups too, things would be pretty confusing with
c.o.l.{debian,redhat,caldera,slackware,craftworks,yggdrasil,wgs,
linux-ft}.* etc.

 BCW> newsgroups is a good idea.  As per my thoughts on splitting the
 BCW> list, I don't think "debian-user" should be split into three
 BCW> separate groups.

I agree with this. There are probably be many people who would be
able to help newbies, but who wouldn't read debian.install.

And isn't debian-devel the correct place for technical discussion, not
a new list or newsgroup?

-- 
Juri Pakaste/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: files without package

[Henrik Wallin]

Hello,

Don't delete '/usr/bin/['.
It's a hardlink to /usr/bin/test and alot of shell-scripts uses this in
if-statements etc.

/ Henrik Wallin, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Casper BodenCummins wrote:

> Not all files will be listed in the Contents and related files. Some are
> created during package configuration, some later. Almost all the files
> you listed are normal. However, I'd check these:
> 
>   /usr/lib/texmf/ini/core
>   Not sure if this should be here. Run a `file /usr/lib/texmf/ini/core'.
> If
>   the message includes `core file' you can remove the file. Otherwise
> *DON'T*.
>   A core file can be generated when an application does something
> forbidden,
>   like addressing a non-existent memory location. It is basically an
> image of
>   the process at the time of the error. You don't need them unless you
> want to
>   analyse the problem.
> 
>   /etc/passwd~
>   Looks like a temp file. Can anyone shed some light on this?
> 
>   /usr/bin/[*
>   This is junk. Blow it away.
> 
>   /usr/bin/X11.old
>   Can't think why this should be around if you didn't create it
> yourself.
>   Anyone else know?
> 
>   /dev/initctl|
>   /dev/printer=
>   /dev/xconsole|
>   Are there really these symbols on the end?
> 
> Casper Boden-Cummins.
> 
> --
> 
> Andreas wrote:
> 
> hello
> 
> i have found several files in my / and /usr filesystems, that don't
> belong to any packages. is this considered a bug ? many files, such as
> /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape are installed by a debian package, but they
> don't aprear in any /var/lib/dpkg/info/*lists or *conffiles ...
> 
> andreas
> --
> -rw-rw-r--   1 root root   34 Jul 29 19:35 /dev/DEVICES
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  84 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1040
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  88 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1120
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  28 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1440
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2, 124 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1600
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  44 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1680
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  60 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1722
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  76 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1743
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  96 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1760
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2, 116 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1840
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2, 100 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1920
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  12 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u360
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  16 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u720
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2, 120 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u800
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  52 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u820
> brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  68 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u830
> prw---   1 root root0 Jun 16 19:59 /dev/initctl|
> srwxrwxrwx   1 root root0 Aug 31 14:14 /dev/printer=
> prw-r--r--   1 root root0 Sep  6 12:23 /dev/xconsole|
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root10537 Jul 15 13:29
> /etc/X11/XF86Config
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  277 Jul 21 21:59 /etc/X11/config
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  210 Jul 15 00:27
> /etc/X11/window-managers
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root   39 Jul 14 23:42
> /etc/X11/xarchie/defaultserver
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  699 Aug  2 17:47
> /etc/diald.options
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 1004 Aug 10 18:13 /etc/dosemu.conf
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root3 Aug  4 14:57 /etc/dosemu.users
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  550 Jul 22 16:07 /etc/fstab
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root8 Jul 14 10:26 /etc/hostname
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 2461 Sep  5 17:46 /etc/inetd.conf
> -rwxrwxr-x   1 root root  306 Jul 15 12:24
> /etc/init.d/smail*
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root   45 Sep  1 10:41
> /etc/ircII.servers
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root   42 Aug 27 18:58 /etc/kbd/config
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 4177 Sep  2 19:43 /etc/ld.so.cache
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  341 Aug 31 12:47 /etc/lilo.conf
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root   16 Jul 14 17:26 /etc/mailname
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  163 Aug 31 14:14 /etc/mtab
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root   22 Jul 14 10:26 /etc/networks
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root3 Sep  2 19:43 /etc/papersize
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 1159 Jul 22 14:25 /etc/passwd~
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root   84 Jul 21 21:52 /etc/resolv.conf
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root  157 Aug 16 19:53 /etc/zircon/rc
> 
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root root  4501956 Sep  1 12:36
> /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape*
> -rwsr-xr-x   1 root root   145228 May  7 17:00
> /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm.mono*
> -rwsr-xr-x   2 root root   137560 Mar  8  1996
> /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm_color*
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root   219486 Sep  1 12:36
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/Netscape
> -rw-r--r--   1 root root 1364 Aug 2

Re: files without package

[Ronald van Loon]

|"  /etc/passwd~
|"  Looks like a temp file. Can anyone shed some light on this?
|"
|"  /usr/bin/[*
|"  This is junk. Blow it away.

If the '*' is part of the filename, I agree. If not, this is necessary for
shells that do not have test as a builtin. It should be a hardlink to 'test'
(necessary for constructs like 

if [ $1 = $2 ]
then
echo equal
fi
)

|"  /dev/initctl|
|"  /dev/printer=
|"  /dev/xconsole|
|"  Are there really these symbols on the end?

I guess it's output from ls -F.

Ronald van Loon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: kernel with APM

[Dirk . Eddelbuettel]

  Giuseppe Vacanti writes:
  Giuseppe>  I would like to try out the Advanced Power Management features
  Giuseppe> in my PC. However I haven't been able to enable APM in the
  Giuseppe> kernel.  When I do make xconfig I do nt see any obvious switch
  Giuseppe> referring to APM.

APM is in the "Character Devices" menu, after mice and tape and before
watchdog. 

  Giuseppe> What am I missing? Could anybody who's ben using APM tell me if
  Giuseppe> they're happy with it?

Quite, especially with the apmd package. The suspend and sleep features are
very nice.

--
Dirk Eddelb"uttel http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd

Re: PGP pP

[Lars Wirzenius]

Ronald van Loon:
> This message is an example of the problem I mentioned earlier.
> 
> The actual message is "File pgptemp.$01 has signature but no text."

Your Elm probably doesn't support PGP/MIME. See

http://www.c2.org/~raph/pgpmime.html

for more information on PGP/MIME.

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Re: latex

[Dirk . Eddelbuettel]

  Giuseppe Vacanti writes:
  Giuseppe>  The LaTeX in Debian seems to be broken. Revision 2e-4 didn't
  Giuseppe> seem to find the standard classes and packages. Revision 2e-7
  Giuseppe> dies on installation.
  Giuseppe> 
  Giuseppe> Has anybody been successful with LaTeX?

I never had any problem whatsoever with LaTeX under Debian. And I update to
the most recent "rex" releases every two or three days (dselect rules !!).

I'll send you my "dpkg -l" output in private mail.

--
Dirk Eddelb"uttel http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd

Re: tex font problems

[Mario Olimpio de Menezes]

On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Thomas Schiex wrote:

> 
> > On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 21:28:37 -0400, "Susan G. Kleinmann" <[EMAIL 
> > PROTECTED]> said:
> 
> Susan> Hi Hakan -- You said:
> >> I am having trouble with the latex font, all non normal characters like
> >> \"{a}, \aa and so on does not show up in the .dvi file. Has anybody else
> >> moticed this?
> 
> Susan> As far as I can tell, these are not LaTeX constructions, but TeX
> Susan> constructions.  I made a silly .tex file with these lines[...]
> 
> This is not the reason. Accented characters do work in LaTeX as in
> TeX. Actually the following text:
> 
> ---
> \documentclass{article}
> 
> \begin{document}
> 
> \"a.
> 
> \end{document}
> ---
> 
> does produce an umlaut on the a. The problem may come from the fact that you
> use a wrong encoding (eg.: you actually typed a real "ä" using iso-latin1
> and you use a US cmr font instead of using the "EURO" DC font. In this case,
> and if you use LaTeX2e style as above, try using
> 
>   \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}). 
> 
> So the following text will be Ok (but would'nt w/o the fontenc package).
> 

Hello

Another possibility is that you are trying to use some of the
following commands inside a mathematical formula, without using
\mbox.  From Latex - A Doc. prep. system (Lamport, L.,) pg. 38-39:
--- ... "The command in Table 3.2 can appear only in paragraphy
and LR modes; use an \mbox command to put one inside a mathematical
formula.

 \oe\aa\l ?'
 \OE\AA\L !'
 \ae\o \ss
 \AE\O 

Table 3.2

HTH,
[]s, mario 


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RE: files without package

[Casper BodenCummins]

Not all files will be listed in the Contents and related files. Some are
created during package configuration, some later. Almost all the files
you listed are normal. However, I'd check these:

  /usr/lib/texmf/ini/core
  Not sure if this should be here. Run a `file /usr/lib/texmf/ini/core'.
If
  the message includes `core file' you can remove the file. Otherwise
*DON'T*.
  A core file can be generated when an application does something
forbidden,
  like addressing a non-existent memory location. It is basically an
image of
  the process at the time of the error. You don't need them unless you
want to
  analyse the problem.

  /etc/passwd~
  Looks like a temp file. Can anyone shed some light on this?

  /usr/bin/[*
  This is junk. Blow it away.

  /usr/bin/X11.old
  Can't think why this should be around if you didn't create it
yourself.
  Anyone else know?

  /dev/initctl|
  /dev/printer=
  /dev/xconsole|
  Are there really these symbols on the end?

Casper Boden-Cummins.

--

Andreas wrote:

hello

i have found several files in my / and /usr filesystems, that don't
belong to any packages. is this considered a bug ? many files, such as
/usr/X11R6/bin/netscape are installed by a debian package, but they
don't aprear in any /var/lib/dpkg/info/*lists or *conffiles ...

andreas
--
-rw-rw-r--   1 root root   34 Jul 29 19:35 /dev/DEVICES
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  84 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1040
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  88 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1120
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  28 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1440
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2, 124 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1600
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  44 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1680
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  60 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1722
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  76 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1743
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  96 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1760
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2, 116 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1840
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2, 100 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1920
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  12 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u360
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  16 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u720
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2, 120 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u800
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  52 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u820
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  68 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u830
prw---   1 root root0 Jun 16 19:59 /dev/initctl|
srwxrwxrwx   1 root root0 Aug 31 14:14 /dev/printer=
prw-r--r--   1 root root0 Sep  6 12:23 /dev/xconsole|
-rw-r--r--   1 root root10537 Jul 15 13:29
/etc/X11/XF86Config
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  277 Jul 21 21:59 /etc/X11/config
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  210 Jul 15 00:27
/etc/X11/window-managers
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   39 Jul 14 23:42
/etc/X11/xarchie/defaultserver
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  699 Aug  2 17:47
/etc/diald.options
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 1004 Aug 10 18:13 /etc/dosemu.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root root3 Aug  4 14:57 /etc/dosemu.users
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  550 Jul 22 16:07 /etc/fstab
-rw-r--r--   1 root root8 Jul 14 10:26 /etc/hostname
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 2461 Sep  5 17:46 /etc/inetd.conf
-rwxrwxr-x   1 root root  306 Jul 15 12:24
/etc/init.d/smail*
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   45 Sep  1 10:41
/etc/ircII.servers
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   42 Aug 27 18:58 /etc/kbd/config
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 4177 Sep  2 19:43 /etc/ld.so.cache
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  341 Aug 31 12:47 /etc/lilo.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   16 Jul 14 17:26 /etc/mailname
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  163 Aug 31 14:14 /etc/mtab
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   22 Jul 14 10:26 /etc/networks
-rw-r--r--   1 root root3 Sep  2 19:43 /etc/papersize
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 1159 Jul 22 14:25 /etc/passwd~
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   84 Jul 21 21:52 /etc/resolv.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  157 Aug 16 19:53 /etc/zircon/rc

-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root  4501956 Sep  1 12:36
/usr/X11R6/bin/netscape*
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root root   145228 May  7 17:00
/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm.mono*
-rwsr-xr-x   2 root root   137560 Mar  8  1996
/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm_color*
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   219486 Sep  1 12:36
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/Netscape
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 1364 Aug 22 01:35
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XGetfile
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 2410 Aug 22 01:35
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XMixer
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 3361 Aug 22 01:35
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XPlaycd
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root 1024 Jul 14 19:55 /usr/bin/X11.old/
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root57949 May 17 00:53
/usr/bin/X11.old/xosview*
-rwxr-xr-x   2 root root 

PGP pP

[Ronald van Loon]

This message is an example of the problem I mentioned earlier.

The actual message is "File pgptemp.$01 has signature but no text."

|"
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|"
|"Casper BodenCummins:
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|"> - debian-user and debian-install - would be best. There is perhaps
|"> insufficient non-technical discussion to warrant a separate list.
|"
|"We already have the debian-talk list (send mail to
|"[EMAIL PROTECTED] for info).
|"
|"-- 
|"Please read  before mailing me.
|"Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list.
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-- 
Ronald van Loon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: time to split the list?

[Lars Wirzenius]

Casper BodenCummins:
> After reading your posts, I'm coming around to the view that two groups
> - debian-user and debian-install - would be best. There is perhaps
> insufficient non-technical discussion to warrant a separate list.

We already have the debian-talk list (send mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] for info).

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files without package

[Andreas Jellinghaus]

hello

i have found several files in my / and /usr filesystems, that don't
belong to any packages. is this considered a bug ? many files, such as
/usr/X11R6/bin/netscape are installed by a debian package, but they
don't aprear in any /var/lib/dpkg/info/*lists or *conffiles ...

andreas
--
-rw-rw-r--   1 root root   34 Jul 29 19:35 /dev/DEVICES
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  84 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1040
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  88 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1120
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  28 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1440
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2, 124 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1600
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  44 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1680
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  60 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1722
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  76 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1743
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  96 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1760
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2, 116 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1840
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2, 100 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u1920
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  12 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u360
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  16 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u720
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2, 120 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u800
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  52 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u820
brw-rw   1 root floppy 2,  68 Sep  2 19:42 /dev/fd0u830
prw---   1 root root0 Jun 16 19:59 /dev/initctl|
srwxrwxrwx   1 root root0 Aug 31 14:14 /dev/printer=
prw-r--r--   1 root root0 Sep  6 12:23 /dev/xconsole|
-rw-r--r--   1 root root10537 Jul 15 13:29 /etc/X11/XF86Config
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  277 Jul 21 21:59 /etc/X11/config
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  210 Jul 15 00:27 /etc/X11/window-managers
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   39 Jul 14 23:42 
/etc/X11/xarchie/defaultserver
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  699 Aug  2 17:47 /etc/diald.options
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 1004 Aug 10 18:13 /etc/dosemu.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root root3 Aug  4 14:57 /etc/dosemu.users
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  550 Jul 22 16:07 /etc/fstab
-rw-r--r--   1 root root8 Jul 14 10:26 /etc/hostname
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 2461 Sep  5 17:46 /etc/inetd.conf
-rwxrwxr-x   1 root root  306 Jul 15 12:24 /etc/init.d/smail*
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   45 Sep  1 10:41 /etc/ircII.servers
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   42 Aug 27 18:58 /etc/kbd/config
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 4177 Sep  2 19:43 /etc/ld.so.cache
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  341 Aug 31 12:47 /etc/lilo.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   16 Jul 14 17:26 /etc/mailname
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  163 Aug 31 14:14 /etc/mtab
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   22 Jul 14 10:26 /etc/networks
-rw-r--r--   1 root root3 Sep  2 19:43 /etc/papersize
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 1159 Jul 22 14:25 /etc/passwd~
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   84 Jul 21 21:52 /etc/resolv.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  157 Aug 16 19:53 /etc/zircon/rc

-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root  4501956 Sep  1 12:36 /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape*
-rwsr-xr-x   1 root root   145228 May  7 17:00 
/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm.mono*
-rwsr-xr-x   2 root root   137560 Mar  8  1996 
/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm_color*
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   219486 Sep  1 12:36 
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/Netscape
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 1364 Aug 22 01:35 
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XGetfile
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 2410 Aug 22 01:35 
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XMixer
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 3361 Aug 22 01:35 
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XPlaycd
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root 1024 Jul 14 19:55 /usr/bin/X11.old/
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root57949 May 17 00:53 /usr/bin/X11.old/xosview*
-rwxr-xr-x   2 root root15633 Mar  9  1996 /usr/bin/[*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root   27 Jul 21 20:57 /usr/bin/yacc*
-rw-r--r--   1 root root12964 Sep  1 12:36 
/usr/doc/copyright/netscape-3.0
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   723649 Sep  1 12:36 
/usr/lib/netscape/java/classes/java_30
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root mail 5464 Sep  1 12:36 
/usr/lib/netscape/movemail*
-rwxr-x---   1 news news 2276 Aug 15 15:30 
/usr/lib/news/send-uucp.bak*
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   225124 Jul 22 21:00 
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/cmmf.base
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  752 Jul 22 21:00 
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/cmmf.log
-rw---   1 root root   253952 Aug  2 01:15 /usr/lib/texmf/ini/core
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   632374 Aug 14 20:29 
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/latex.fmt
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 9413 Aug 14 20:29 
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/latex.log
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   132516 Jul 22 21:00 
/usr/lib/texmf/ini/mf.base
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  700 Ju

Re: time to split the list?

[Billy Chow]

> "Ken" == Ken Gaugler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Ken> Maybe debian-user and debian-install, to keep it simple?  

I second this.

--
Billy C.-M. Chow  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Debian Linux

eepro.c

[Jan Ramon]

eepro.c seems to be convinced that he must probe for internet 
etherexpress at 0x240.  


I also found

static unsigned int eepro_portlist[] =
   { 0x200, 0x240, 0x280, 0x2C0, 0x300, 0x320, 0x340, 0x360, 0};

So, eepro.c is also convinced that a card on 0x230 can't exist.
This isn't true.  My card is on 0x230.  I (finally) solved the problem saying

>int
>eepro_probe(struct device *dev)
>{
>int i;
>int base_addr = dev ? dev->base_addr : 0;
>
>// /// begin of jan's code
>dev->base_addr = base_addr = 0x230;
>// /// end of jan's code
>
>if (base_addr > 0x1ff)  /* Check a single specified 
>location. */
>return eepro_probe1(dev, base_addr);
>

but this doesn't seem a clean way to solve the problem.  Is there info 
(doc/howto/) available about clean kernel programming?


Jan Ramon
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

RE: time to split the list?

[Casper BodenCummins]

Brian C. White wrote:

>People love to complain about there being too much information, but they
>overlook the fact that the reason they can get information and fast
>responses is because there is so much going on there.  If you split
>the list, many people will not subscribe to some of them and thus will
>not be available to answer questions.  The result is a need to crosspost
>to all lists in order to get a decent response.

On the other hand, a little sorting saves a lot of time - time that can
be used to actively contribute. I voiced my support for Bruce's idea,
but also said that we could compromise by having at least a separate
debian-install list. There are several issues:

i.  We are probably losing potential Debian users due to the size and
significant inaccessible technical content of debian-user. 60-70
messages
a day is a lot to cope with, especially when you have other
interests.
When much of it is Double Dutch, you tend to feel intimidated.
* we lose fewer fans
ii. Decreasing the amount of irrelevant or uninteresting traffic leaves
more
time to spend usefully contributing.
* we have more useful time
iii.Some people get a real kick out of helping a newbie into the fray.
Some
do some of the time. Others don't. If someone /wants/ to help,
they'll
subscribe. If they don't have time today, well they can just junk
all the
traffic in that list for today. Doing this manually is a bind.
I agree that we'll lose some help because people who would have been
able
to assist with a problem didn't subscribe to the debian-install
list, but
I also think that there'll still be sufficient altruism and
expertise
available. The trade-offs are worth it.
* we save effort

>I, for example, probably will not subscribe to the install and non-tech
>groups

I imagine that, in a similar vein, you also don't spend much time read
non-technical and installation-specific posts. More's the better for you
if the traffic isn't there in the first place.

>(maybe not even "technical" since I don't understand what each
>is for) and thus will not see questions regarding my packages.
>My personal opinion is that splitting the lists will add much confusion
>and help little.

I really don't see much difficulty is interpreting Bruce's categories.
Do you think the titles are confusing? Suppose we just had debian-user
and debian-install. Would this be okay?

After reading your posts, I'm coming around to the view that two groups
- debian-user and debian-install - would be best. There is perhaps
insufficient non-technical discussion to warrant a separate list.

Casper Boden-Cummins.
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RE: newsgroup creation RFD - draft

[Casper BodenCummins]

If there are 500 posts a day to comp.lang.c++, it strikes me that this
group is *begging* to be split up. Besides the
wading-through-heaps-of-stuff-you-'re-not-interested-in factor, some of
us have to pay to receive news articles and suchlike, and a better
targeted audience would save us lots of time and money.

Casper Boden-Cummins.


On 06 Sep 1969 00:21 Brian C. White wrote:

> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> 
> moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.announce
> moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.install
> moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.nontech
> moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.tech
> moderated group comp.os.linux.debian.changes
> 
> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the reorganization of
> three large Debian mailing lists into newsgroups. This is not a Call
> for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.  Procedural details are
> below.

I think having these lists gatewayed to official "big-7" newsgroups is
a good idea.  As per my thoughts on splitting the list, I don't think
"debian-user" should be split into three separate groups.

Over 500 posts a day can come into groups like "comp.lang.c++" with
everything from newbies to experts and it doesn't get split up. 
Threaded
newsreaders take up most of the slack, and make it much easier to manage
than your standerd (un-filtered) mail reader.

Re: tex font problems

[Thomas Schiex]

> On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 21:28:37 -0400, "Susan G. Kleinmann" <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]> said:

Susan> Hi Hakan -- You said:
>> I am having trouble with the latex font, all non normal characters like
>> \"{a}, \aa and so on does not show up in the .dvi file. Has anybody else
>> moticed this?

Susan> As far as I can tell, these are not LaTeX constructions, but TeX
Susan> constructions.  I made a silly .tex file with these lines[...]

This is not the reason. Accented characters do work in LaTeX as in
TeX. Actually the following text:

---
\documentclass{article}

\begin{document}

\"a.

\end{document}
---

does produce an umlaut on the a. The problem may come from the fact that you
use a wrong encoding (eg.: you actually typed a real "ä" using iso-latin1
and you use a US cmr font instead of using the "EURO" DC font. In this case,
and if you use LaTeX2e style as above, try using

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}). 

So the following text will be Ok (but would'nt w/o the fontenc package).

---
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}

\begin{document}

ä

\end{document}
---

(NOTE: You will probably get an error message telling that dcr1000.mf is not
found: the Debian LaTeX DC font installation is FAULTY here (a mismatch
between the version of the DC fonts and the version of the font description
files). Try getting the last version of the DC fonts on a CTAN archive (see
below). You'll find them in

fonts/dc/ready-mf/*

(these files should replace all the files that are in
/usr/lib/texmf/fonts/source/public/dc/ )

fonts/dc/tfm/*

(these files should relplace all files in 
/usr/lib/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/dc/)


 CTAN Mirrors list

In order to reduce network load, it is recommended that you use the
Comprehensive TeX Archive Network (CTAN) host which is located in the
closest network proximity to your site.  Alternatively, you may wish to
obtain a copy of the CTAN via CD-ROM (see help/CTAN.cdrom for details).

Known partial mirrors of the CTAN reside on (alphabetically):
  ftp.adfa.oz.au (Australia)/pub/tex/ctan
  ftp.fcu.edu.tw (Taiwan)   /pub2/tex
  ftp.germany.eu.net (Deutschland)  /pub/packages/TeX
  ftp.cs.ruu.nl (The Netherlands)   /pub/tex-archive
  ftp.uu.net (Virginia, USA)/pub/text-processing/TeX
  nic.switch.ch (Switzerland)   /mirror/tex
  sunsite.dsi.unimi.it (Italia) /pub/TeX

Known mirrors of the CTAN reside on (alphabetically):
  ctan.unsw.edu.au (NSW, Australia) /tex-archive
  cis.utovrm.it (Italia)/TeX
  dongpo.math.ncu.edu.tw (Taiwan)   /tex-archive
  ftp.center.osaka-u.ac.jp (Japan)  /CTAN
  ftp.ccu.edu.tw (Taiwan)   /pub/tex
  ftp.cdrom.com (West coast, USA)   /pub/tex/ctan
  ftp.comp.hkbu.edu.hk (Hong Kong)  /pub/TeX/CTAN
  ftp.cs.rmit.edu.au  (Australia)   /tex-archive
  ftp.cstug.cz (The Czech Republic) /pub/tex/CTAN
  ftp.duke.edu (North Carolina, USA)/tex-archive
  ftp.ee.up.ac.za (South Africa)/tex-archive
  ftp.funet.fi (Finland)/pub/TeX/CTAN
  ftp.gwdg.de (Deutschland) /pub/dante
  ftp.jussieu.fr (France)   /pub4/TeX/CTAN
  ftp.loria.fr (France) /pub/unix/tex/ctan
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  ftp.uni-augsburg.de (Deutschland) /tex-archive
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  ftp.univie.ac.at (\"Osterreich)   /packages/tex
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ELM and PGP

[Ronald van Loon]

Dear Debian people,

I have the following problem with ELM and PGP. I often get a message saying
"could not open pgptemp.$01" - and the request that I type the correct
filename. However, this filename, if I am not mistaken, should have been
presented to PGP by ELM. 

What is wrong here ?

Ronald van Loon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Latex documentation for beginners?

[Per Jotun]

> 
> Is there any introduction to LateX available somewhere?  I do not want to
> buy a book (and they are quite expensive here) before knowing enough to
> decide whether I want to use the product seriously.
> 
> 
> Johann Spies
> 
The most complete source of information and collection of 
documentation on TeX, LaTeX, METAFONT, BibTeX etc., I have found is 
the (La)TeX navigator at:

http://www.loria.fr/tex/english/";>(La)TeX navigator

Most of the documents are DVI and PostScript, so you need viewers, 
xdvi and Ghostview.

Enjoy

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kernel with APM

[Giuseppe Vacanti]

I would like to try out the Advanced Power Management features in
my PC. However I haven't been able to enable APM in the kernel.
When I do make xconfig I do nt see any obvious switch referring
to APM.

What am I missing? Could anybody who's ben using APM tell me if
they're happy with it?

Thanks,

Giuseppe 

latex

[Giuseppe Vacanti]

The LaTeX in Debian seems to be broken. Revision 2e-4 didn't seem to
find the standard classes and packages. Revision 2e-7 dies on installation.

Has anybody been successful with LaTeX?

Thanks,

Giuseppe

Re: Dosemu

[Larry 'Daffy' Daffner]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
-> On 04:17:39 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-> >>Has anyone succeeded in getting the latest versions of
-> >Dosemu to work? I can successfully compile, but can't
-> >insmod emumodule. Insmod dumps fifteen or so lines saying:

[...]

-> No, it doesn't work here either.  My I-Connect CD was cut on 12 june.
-> I haven't fussed with it at all, but just wanted to respond that in my
-> case it doesn't work either.

I believe that dosmu still needs it's hacked version of insmod to
work. It uses some kernel symbols that aren't exported, and because of
the state of dosemu and future plans, they won't be for the
moment.  I believe that it's called insmod-hacker or something like
that.

-Larry

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Re: time to split the list?

[Eze Ogwuma]

> Some newbies tell me they find debian-user intimidating due to the high
> level of technical discussion that sometimes goes on there. Is it time
> to split the list? About 2 years ago I proposed a separate list just for
> people trying to install the system. At the time we did not have enough
> traffic for that. We probably do now.
> 
> I would propose:
> 
>   debian-install
>   debian-nontechnical
>   debian-technical
> 
> Now I just have to find our list administrator :-) .
> 
>   Bruce
> 

If the lists were split the debian-user list could then get all messages from 
all the lists (something like the exmh-workers list).

-- 
Eze Ogwuma

Printing problems

[Matthew D Moss]

I'm having problems getting pages to come out of my
printer correctly.  The symptoms:


  1)  Small text files don't print.  The printer heads move
  around a bit (as bubblejets like to do) but never gets
  to printing.

  2)  Larger files (text/postscript) will print, but usually
  starting much further into the file.  Postscript files
  print with some garbage near the top of the first printed
  page and double-spaced (as if some key info at the beginning
  of the PS code was missing).

  3)  Printing a file and immediately printing it again will cause
  the second to print correctly as if the printer had
  warmed up on the first job and moved onto the second job.
  This works for text and postscript.


I didn't have these problems using Debian 0.96;  this only started
after installing 1.1.  Here are the key parts I am using:

Debian  1.1
kernel  1.3.95 #6
lpr 5.9-11
gs  2.62-2
magicfilter 1.2

my printer  Canon BJC-610
(it's set in BJ-10 mode using the bj10e magicfilter)


Any suggestions?  Thanx in advance...

Re: Where can I find lucid Emacs

[Larry 'Daffy' Daffner]

"Miguel A. Avillez" writes:
-> Where can I find Lucid Emacs? Is it Xemacs? if it is where can i find it 
-> for linux?

Yes. Lucid Emacs was a version of Emacs forked off the GNU version by
a company called Lucid (duh :) for use with their C development
environment.  When Lucid folded, the 'net community took over
development and made it XEmacs (for eXtended Emacs).  It's available
as a debian package in unstable/editors.  Works well for me, so far.

-Larry

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the better.  --Andre Gide

Re: tex font problems

[Susan G. Kleinmann]

Hi Hakan --
You said:
> I am having trouble with the latex font, all non normal characters like
> \"{a}, \aa and so on does not show up in the .dvi file. Has anybody else
> moticed this? 

As far as I can tell, these are not LaTeX constructions, but TeX constructions.
I made a silly .tex file with these lines:

=begin junk.tex
backslash quote curly-brace a curly-brace is \"{a}.
backslash a a is \aa.
\vfill \eject \end
=end   junk.tex

Then I ran 
tex junk
dvips -o morejunk junk
ghostview morejunk

and the characters showed up just as expected.

You can get an umlaut (Tex \"{a}) in LaTeX by using the german option
to the babel package:  
   \usepackage[german]{babel}

I suspect you can get an Angstrom (Tex \aa) in LaTeX by using the 
swedish option.  You can use two options at once by giving them as
a comma seperated list:
   \usepackage[german,swedish]{babel}

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann

Re: time to split the list?

[wb2oyc]

On 06:20:26 Boris Yati Beletsky wrote:
>>On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
>
>|>I would propose:
>|>
>|> debian-install
>|> debian-nontechnical
>|> debian-technical
>|>
>it's a very good idea , but i don't understand whats debian-nontechnical
>would do?
>
Well, I don't like it.  I've learned alot from the dialog, but I must admit that
often you guys get talking about issues that are unique to the packaging
or something, and has nothing to do with the user.  Its more like the 
maintainers often dialog here when that may be better done elsewhere.
Like, what I meant to do with this or that, but didn't have the time.Then
the response goes, well, why not do it this way, and we're offMaybe 
there should be a separate debian-install, but the other stuff is pretty
much debian-user (minus the developer or maintainer nits this and nit
that) if you ask me.

Paul

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RE: Dosemu

[wb2oyc]

On 04:17:39 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Has anyone succeeded in getting the latest versions of
>Dosemu to work? I can successfully compile, but can't
>insmod emumodule. Insmod dumps fifteen or so lines saying:
>
>x undefined
>...
>Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.7) don't
>match your linux-2.0.7
>
>What's going on?? Seems as if there are some system modules
>( I use a very modularized kernel ) which are not loaded.
>However, I use kerneld, so all neccessary mods should be there.
>
>Someone please help!!
>
>Thanx... :-)
No, it doesn't work here either.  My I-Connect CD was cut on 12 june.
I haven't fussed with it at all, but just wanted to respond that in my
case it doesn't work either.
Paul

Emumod & Dosemu 0.63.66

[Miro Torrielli]

While on the kernel subject, I'm having problems insmoding the
emumod module of dosemu. After a successful compile, emumod
won't load, saying:

 undefined
 (repeated fifteen or so times)
Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.17) don't match your
linux-2.0.17

This has also happened with the debianized kernel packages. I think that there
is something different in the debian kernel/module architecture, compared to
slackware or redhat, which maybe I am bot familiar with.

Any help, guys?

Thanx for all the help :-)

Re: time to split the list?

[Guy Maor]

On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> Is it time to split the list?

This isn't necessary.  The number of messages per day is quite
reasonable.  As long as discussions are related to Debian, I don't
think it inappropriate that they get tecnical.


Guy

Re: Upgrading to un-debianized kernel

[Boris Yati Beletsky]

On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

|>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 19:19 EDT
|>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|>To: borik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|>Cc: Miro Torrielli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, debian-user@lists.debian.org
|>Subject: Re: Upgrading to un-debianized kernel
|>
|>
|>
|>Or set up your /etc/conf.modules:
|>
|>  #alias eth0 
|>  #alias  off
|>  alias net-pf-4 off
|>  alias net-pf-5 off
i think it's aliases to ~appletalk and ipx - it's there by default



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