Re: Free space on Linux Drive
On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, John wrote: I think this a simple enough question, but even my Unix teacher can't answer it. I just installed Debian on my 586 Windoze machine, with a 200mb partition. The first time I installed it on 100 megs but I ran out of room. My question is how can I check how much space is left on my Linux partition. I DOS, I can use chkdsk, is there a similiar function in Linux? Some UNIX teacher! ;-) Try the df command. Here's an example: $ df / Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/sda3 940462 748805 143069 84% / Hint for the future: try the apropos utility. If you ran the following: $ apropos disk You would have gotten a long listing, but the following would have been part of it: df (1) - summarize free disk space When you're stumped, the apropos command is a good place to start. Best regards, Nick -- Nick Busigin Sent from my Debian/GNU Linux Machine[EMAIL PROTECTED] To obtain my pgp public key, email me with the subject: get pgp-key -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free space on Linux Drive
John wrote: I think this a simple enough question, but even my Unix teacher can't answer it. I just installed Debian on my 586 Windoze machine, with a 200mb partition. The first time I installed it on 100 megs but I ran out of room. My question is how can I check how much space is left on my Linux partition. I DOS, I can use chkdsk, is there a similiar function in Linux? Yes, this does sound to simple. Try the df command. (summarize free disk space) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two last problems...
From: Pete Templin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Daniel S. Barclay wrote: ... Workarounds are fine, but would someone _please_ report this as a bug so it can get fixed permanently? Are you allergic to bug reports? Excuse me? I'm not the one experiencing the problem. How on earth could I submit a test case for the problem? Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
I disagree. From what I've read, the Debian charter doesn't stop commercial vendors or indeed anyone from making their own distribution based on Debian containing as few or as many packages as they want. So the Debian team doesn't really need to get involved in that. Yes the distribution is huge but until it overflows the 650 MB capacity of a CD-ROM there is no need to needlessly restrict peoples choices. Maybe that would be a good idea. What if experienced (or just opinionated :-) debian users put up web pages, perhaps at some central location like www.debian.org detailing their own mini-distributions. There would a list of packages with links into the ftp site, a little blurb describing why the particular packages were chosen or what specific task the mini- distribution was designed for. contributors could also supply their own additional documentation and act as the tech support for their mini- distributions. -- Jaldhar -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Gith wrote: I've been watching the debates about Cds, dividing up non-free, and etc.. And I had a few thoughts I wanted to throw out at everyone. I think if debian is going to succeed, it's going to have to be reduced to a standard set of core applications that will make up the offical distribution of debian. Right now, the distribution is huge and it's getting bigger. i agree with what you said 110%. as it stands i already have setup my system as you have described. i only use the Debian distribution to make up the core of my system and put all of the rest in /usr/local/ on another partition. upgrades are almost painless this way. one just has to upgrade the key applications that form the core of the system while /usr/local containing all of my specialized applications that are unique to my needs and machine remain untouched. this works for me and it would be nice if the actual Debian distribution could be constructed under this philosophy. getting everyone to agree on what is `essential' is another matter however. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
idled
Just tried to install idled. It requires libc5 5.4.17-1 or better. All I can find is 5.4.13-1, which is already installed on my system. What am I missing, or where should I look ?? Thanks..Matthew -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where can I find xterm_color?
John == John [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John I finally got X Windows up and running, and I'm using John fvwm95, but when I try and start a new sheel, the message John xterm_color appears in my login window. John Also, how do I set the LS_OPTIONS so that my directory John listings will be in color? Right now I am using an alias, John but that's a sloppy way to do it. Also, does fvwm95 support John colorized listings? I don't know anything about fvwm95, but if you put the following line in your .bash_profile or equivalent, 'ls' should display in color: eval `dircolors` Note the backwards apostrophes. If you want to see what it does, try typing dircolors at the bash command prompt. If it doesn't work, upgrade to fileutils 3.14-3 or higher. If you want this to work in an xterm, you have to make sure you have a color-enabled xterm. HTH -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug in libc5.4.13
That simple program compiled under Debian-1.2 (libc5.4.13) produces wrong
results.
#include stdio.h
main()
{
double a;
printf(input: );
scanf(%lf, a);
printf(value = %f\n, a);
}
$ ./test01
input: 2e-3
value = 0.002000
$ ./test01
input: 2E-3
value = 2.00
The bug is fixed in libc5.4.17 (from bo directory). So I think that
libc in rex should be upgraded.
--
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Re: Where can I find xterm_color?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Nathan L. Cutler wrote:
John == John [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John I finally got X Windows up and running, and I'm using
John fvwm95, but when I try and start a new sheel, the message
John xterm_color appears in my login window.
John Also, how do I set the LS_OPTIONS so that my directory
John listings will be in color? Right now I am using an alias,
John but that's a sloppy way to do it. Also, does fvwm95 support
John colorized listings?
I don't know anything about fvwm95, but if you put the following line
in your .bash_profile or equivalent, 'ls' should display in color:
eval `dircolors`
I don't think this works anymore, I think the color-ls was folded into
the normal ls, and you have to put all the aliases in your
.bash_{rc,profile} manually. However, I can't verify this since my
system at work doesn't seem to want to accept any connections right now
except for telnet's to port 25 (so at least I know it hasn't crashed :-) )
Shaya
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Re: idled
On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Matthew Tebbens wrote: Just tried to install idled. It requires libc5 5.4.17-1 or better. All I can find is 5.4.13-1, which is already installed on my system. What am I missing, or where should I look ?? Thanks..Matthew Perl and zlib have the same problem. You can get the correct libc from your favorite debian mirror in unstable/binary-i386/base. -- Jaldhar -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Some thoughts for Debian
Regarding the debian system Willie Daniel thought out loud: I've been watching the debates about Cds, dividing up non-free, and etc.. And I had a few thoughts I wanted to throw out at everyone. I think if debian is going to succeed, it's going to have to be reduced to a standard set of core applications that will make up the offical distribution of debian. Right now, the distribution is huge and it's getting bigger. IMHO that creates not much of an issue. It just creates the need for a second silver dish. This appears inevitable anyway, considering the architectures linux is currently being ported to. Who knows, maybe debian linux 1.5 developers resource will be a 6 cd set and the slackware97 fans will complain that there's no mention of their favorite distribution in the inside leaflet ;-) In the process, it seems less is getting done in the way of providing comprehensive testing, marketing, etc.. of each new release. Many people are handling multiple packages and getting either burnt out or don't have enough time to adequatly test the packages they do maintain. That is an orthogonal issue, but I must agree that there's a sense of reality in your observation of a problem. While I understand and applaud the basic concepts behind Debian, it's success will depend on what the commercial community does with it. I guess that that's not an issue at all. Therefor, I think the following needs to be done to help Debian get going in the right direction. 1) I realize this process will start a religious debate over what program is the best, but, someone ( everyone? ) needs to decide on the core packages that will make up the offcial distribution. ie smail, sendmail, qmail, etc. which one will debian choose as the default for the distribution? There have been some things said about this with respect to dselect. IMHO if there should be anything like a core distribution, it would have to be a system that is minimally confusing to new users. All the other packages are just packages and are equal part of the debian system. I think debian should anticipate more and more packages will appear, each providing more or less the same functionality. in the case of user apps, one application could be choosen that works on terminals and one that works in X. ( where possible ) ie users will need a mail reader. for terminals: elm for X: exmh Now, I see we agree :-) Just take that idea all the way. this will create a standardized distribution that commercial vendors can easily support. it will reduce greatly the size of the main distribution and will allow devlopers to focus on just the applications that make up the offical distribution plus allow easier beta testing of the distribution as a whole. I dear to disagree again, but think that the point you raise at 4) would make sense here some things, like games, should definatly not be part of the offcial distribution. while i dearly love xtetris, you can't consider it a necessity. Disagree again!! My dad once upgraded to a 486 to run windoze to play minesweeper.. 2) Everything else could be moved over to contrib. [snipped a bit here, your point covered at 1) and 5)] 3) revamp the web pages. its the first place a user might check for info on debian and they look really bad right now. ( i know this has already been discussed ) Some point here. But IMHO bad is a big word. At least there's no ad's or animation. 4) open up the release dates a bit. last i heard, the push was for 3 month cycles. open it to 6 months. while those who want to stay on the cutting edge can do so, some people and most companies want stabilty. this is one area i don't have a clear understanding of. alot of people were excited about the release of slackware96 but the release of debian 1.2 came and went. weird. Here's a good point. However, ensuring that the minimal system is stable at every release, while alowing some packages to have bugs in some installations is IMO quite tolerable. New users should be be able to get running to the point that they can start reading man pages and documentation and learn to configure some things on their own. If you really want to run ip-masquerading, you'd have to have some experience and wouldn't be so easily blown away by a small bug in a package. 5) the quest for a debian logo has produced some really good work from users of debian. i think a similiar push should be made for debian documentation. i know there are some debian users out there who are good at writing and debian could use some really well written FAQs, installation procedures, HOWTOs, etc... Now here you've got my support! IMHO this should be a area of major concern for everybody using debian. It is my impression that the debian system is primarily
Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: I disagree. From what I've read, the Debian charter doesn't stop commercial vendors or indeed anyone from making their own distribution based on Debian containing as few or as many packages as they want. So the Debian team doesn't really need to get involved in that. Yes the distribution is huge but until it overflows the 650 MB capacity of a CD-ROM there is no need to needlessly restrict peoples choices. There is no reason to restrict peoples choices. Thats what contrib would be for, to provide alternatives to programs considered part of the official distribution. And while there is nothing preventing commercial vendors from using Debian. They aren't. RedHat is slowly becoming the big player in the game. The debian package managment system and the sheer size of the distribution is NOT enough to convince people to use Debian. I just read Bruce's position on the official debian CD and I think it is a major push in the right direction. Maybe that would be a good idea. What if experienced (or just opinionated :-) debian users put up web pages, perhaps at some central location like www.debian.org detailing their own mini-distributions. There would a list of packages with links into the ftp site, a little blurb describing why the particular packages were chosen or what specific task the mini- distribution was designed for. contributors could also supply their own additional documentation and act as the tech support for their mini- distributions. -- Jaldhar A mini-distribution is no good if the foundation it's built on is flawed. - Willie Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.quicklink.net/~gith/ - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Serial communications question
I'm having a problem with my modem. Using chat+pppd to dial out, I can connect, but not negotiate ppp. Sometimes I can negotiate ppp, but the connection is very slow. However, if I first run Minicom and quit without reset, chat+pppd works quite well and the connection is fast. I'm guessing that chat+pppd doesn't set up the port the way Minicom does. Is there any way for me to set it up without having to start and exit Minicom every time? I've checked the man page for setserial(8) but I don't know what settings to change. The modem is a Cardinal 33.6 external on COM 2. I'm using the /dev/cua1 device; is this the correct device? Any help would be appreciated. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changing video color modes
I'm running XFree86 3.2 with the fvwm95 manager, and I have it set to 800x600, but I can only get 256 colors :( Can anyone tell me how I can get 24-bit color? I have an ATI Mach64 vid card with 2 meg's of ram, and it runs 24-bit fine at 800x600, or 32-bit at 640x480 no problem. John -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Netscape problems :(
I just installed Netscape 3.01 for Linux, and it looks not bad. The problem is screen sizes. I'm running XFree86 3.2 in 800x600 mode with the fvwm95 manager, but whenever I open the mail window, it won't fit on the screen. Not to mention that I can't figure out how to get past 256 colors. P.S. Could anyone recomend a good manager, or should I stick with fvwm95? John -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing video color modes
Can anyone tell me how I can get 24-bit color? I have an ATI Mach64 vid card with 2 meg's of ram, and it runs 24-bit fine at 800x600, or 32-bit at 640x480 no problem. Read /usr/doc/X11/README.Mach64, and others in that directory. It will most likely require passing the -bpp 24 option to the X server. For example: startx -- -bpp 24 I'm not sure how to do it with xdm, but it shouldn't be hard. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Many thanks (was Re: setting up authentification for reading news)
many thanks to all the suggestions that I got for setting up authentification for news. I solvered the problem in the short term by writing a quick and nasty version of suck in python that would handle authentificaton and this seems to work well for the moment. Amny thanks Joe -- === in real life: Joseph Skinner |There's no such thing as a wizard email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |who minds his own business [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - Berengis the Black http: www.earthlight.co.nz/users/joe| Court Mage to the Earls Caeline -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UGIDD
Could someone take a few moments to walk me through the steps quickly what needs to be done to get UGIDD up and running. I used to have it running, between my machine, and my former roommate, but not since I've added the P133 I'm trying to mount off of. I've tried reading all documentation I've found that says anything about UGIDD in it. Obviously I'm missing something. TIA. -- Daniel Stringfield mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.southeast.net/~servo Send email for more information on the Jacksonville Linux Users Group! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Debian CD?
According to Benedikt Eric Heinen: Actually, if you've already got DOS running on your pc, it should be possible to put in the CD and run a setup.exe without ever making a boot floppy. MS-DOS may not be installed on every system running Linux. I just recently installed an e-mail server with Debian Linux that does not require a DOS partition. Still I'd say it'd be a good idea, if the system could be installed without having to make boot disks... That's what I liked about RedHat3 when it came out, you could just start linux from the dos prompt and the installation didn't even require you to write boot/root/base disks. (Still for quite a few reasons, I am happy I changed to debian - but I really think that this feature would be good, I just don't like all the hassle with those 6 disks you need for the installation, if everything could alternatively also be done from the CD directly. It may be possible to reduce the number of floppy disks required to install Debian if it could be assumed that every system has a CD-ROM. (Mine did not.) However, IMO it is not necessary nor productive to require that MS-DOS be available for Debian installation. I would like to build a Linux system w/o having to pay MS a license fee for DOS. Although, perhaps MS should require Linux as a prerequisite to install NT ;-). -- \/ \ Carl Greco PHONE voice: (402) 496-3381 / \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / \==/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the key to debians future may be marketing
Hello, I think it is crucial to have a system such as debian win major acceptance by going after a niche market; getting publicity via some strategically placed relationships with applications developers and seeking a reputation for innovation and excellence. i think it is possible to leapfrog redhat with the sheer number of people in this group going out and being debian boosters. allan ps thanks for the rescue disk for 1.2mb, know i have to start making disks of packages. - Name: Allan W. Bart, Jr. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/20/97 Time: 1:58:19 AM This message was sent by Chameleon - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Serial communications question
On Sun, 19 Jan 1997 19:41:13 PST Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The modem is a Cardinal 33.6 external on COM 2. I'm using the /dev/cua1 device; is this the correct device? No, you should be using /dev/ttyS1. Use of the cua devices is deprecated, and pppd's case, it can cause problems. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Debian CD?
It may be possible to reduce the number of floppy disks required to install Debian if it could be assumed that every system has a CD-ROM. (Mine did not.) However, IMO it is not necessary nor productive to require that MS-DOS be available for Debian installation. I would like to build a Linux system w/o having to pay MS a license fee for DOS. Although, perhaps MS should require Linux as a prerequisite to install NT ;-). Oh, I did not imply, that booting from DOS ought to be the only way - as for Redhat, you had the choice between booting using boot disks or using that binary to start linux from within dos which did not require any disks to be made at all. And that's what I liked so much - I wouldn't really say 'Go on! Get rid of boot disks! Require DOS for installation', but rather, 'For those people that have DOS, make an installation mode, that can be started from DOS and does not require boot/device/base disks to be made, but rather read them from CDROM'. Benedikt signoff --- Benedikt Eric Heinen - Muehlemattstrasse 53 - CH3007 Bern - SWITZERLAND email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FUTURE, n. That period of time in which our affairs prosper, our friends are true and our happiness is assured. Ambrose Bierce ``The Devil's Dictionary'' -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where can I find xterm_color?
Shaya == Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Shaya On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Nathan L. Cutler wrote:
John == John [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John I finally got X Windows up and running, and I'm using fvwm95,
John but when I try and start a new sheel, the message xterm_color
John appears in my login window.
John Also, how do I set the LS_OPTIONS so that my directory listings
John will be in color? Right now I am using an alias, but that's a
John sloppy way to do it. Also, does fvwm95 support colorized
John listings?
I don't know anything about fvwm95, but if you put the following
line in your .bash_profile or equivalent, 'ls' should display in
color:
eval `dircolors`
Shaya I don't think this works anymore, I think the color-ls was
Shaya folded into the normal ls, and you have to put all the aliases
Shaya in your .bash_{rc,profile} manually. However, I can't verify
Shaya this since my system at work doesn't seem to want to accept
Shaya any connections right now except for telnet's to port 25 (so
Shaya at least I know it hasn't crashed :-) )
Here's what I got in my .bashrc to set up color.
if [ $ANSI = true ] ; then
eval `dircolors ~/.dir_colors`
fi
if [ $ANSI = true ] ; then
LS_BIN=/bin/ls --color
else
LS_BIN=/bin/ls
fi
alias ls=$LS_BIN -FC # removed argument 'o' from these three lines
alias l=$LS_BIN -lFC
alias dir=$LS_BIN -l
alias cls=clear ; $LS_BIN
(I check earlier in the file to make sure I'm on a terminal that can
deal with ansi codes. At the moment I just hard code the terminals I
know won't work. Anyone know a better way?)
And as to xterm I just added (as someone on this list suggested) the
line:
XTerm*customization: -color
to my .Xdefaults file. Others have said that cating the
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color file on the end of the
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm file will have the same effect.
Jim
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Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
[ cc'd over to the developer's list ] I think if debian is going to succeed, it's going to have to be reduced to a standard set of core applications that will make up the offical distribution of debian. Right now, the distribution is huge and it's I *very strongly* disagree. One of the things that brought me to Debian in the first place, and kept me here despite some problems with the 1.2 release, is the tremendous amount of available software. It is very nice to be able to run dselect, press +, hit a couple of keys, and have more software on the system. getting bigger. In the process, it seems less is getting done in the way of providing comprehensive testing, marketing, etc.. of each new release. I do not know that a free OS needs to have marketing. But you are right, testing needs to improve, and I think that plans are being made to do that for the next release (I hope so at least !) Many people are handling multiple packages and getting either burnt out or don't have enough time to adequatly test the packages they do maintain. That could well be true, but Debian is getting new maintainers all the time. Handling multiple packages itself is not a big problem -- handling *too many* packages is. And I've seen recently posts of people that have recognized they don't have time to maintain the packages they've got and are giving them away to others. While I understand and applaud the basic concepts behind Debian, it's success will depend on what the commercial community does with it. I disagree. Debian is free software. If enough people at home use it, that will be fine. Or if it penetrates into Computer Science, Engineering, etc... 1) I realize this process will start a religious debate over what program is the best, but, someone ( everyone? ) needs to decide on the core packages that will make up the offcial distribution. ie smail, sendmail, qmail, etc. which one will debian choose as the default for the distribution? smail is the default. But that doesn't mean that sendmail can't be included. And it doesn't mean that there should be no support for sendmail. And...it doesn't mean that programs in Debian cannot depend on or reccommend sendmail. in the case of user apps, one application could be choosen that works on terminals and one that works in X. ( where possible ) ie users will need a mail reader. for terminals: elm for X: exmh Those are probably the packages I'd use, but... I like exmh, and use it most of the time. But I don't think it's good for new users. Maybe tkmail or something. this will create a standardized distribution that commercial vendors can easily support. it will reduce greatly the size of the main distribution and will allow devlopers to focus on just the applications that make up the offical distribution plus allow easier beta testing of the distribution as a whole. But then I don't get any choice in what I use. This is one of the reasons I'm using Linux in the first place -- a good selection of programs for the things I do frequently. What if I prefer Pine or Mutt for e-mail? Do I suddenly get no support? If a vendor of Debian is going to support Debian (which they are not obligated to do in the first place), then they should support Debian, not just a small part of it. some things, like games, should definatly not be part of the offcial distribution. while i dearly love xtetris, you can't consider it a necessity. 2) Everything else could be moved over to contrib. ie... since mutt ( a mail reader ) wasn't choosen as part of the offical distribution, it gets put in contrib/mail But this is not what contrib is for. Contrib is for software that is not necessarily possible to be included in the main distribution for whatever reason. Eg, shareware or programs that depend on stuff in non-free. I really oppose making one package of each type a default. Such packages may not suit each person, so why should somebody have to go to an unsupported section to get a package that they want? this will provide alternatives while allowing for a so-called official distribution. someone could be put in charge of maintaining the contrib directory ( oversee the layout of dirs, etc ) but the packages shouldn't be a concern of the core developers... its basically the same system that is in place now, but it shouldn't be bruce's or any other core developers problem if the program doesn't work. I don't think that it is Bruce's problem now if a package doesn't work. It's the maintainer's job to make sure their packages work. In the present system, in the end, the responsibility for a package working falls to the maintainer of the package. And this is the way it should be. 3) revamp the web pages. its the first place a user might
Re: Where can I find xterm_color?
I finally got X Windows up and running, and I'm using fvwm95, but when I try and start a new sheel, the message xterm_color appears in my login window. Hmmm, sounds like a misconfiguration somewhere. Does a normal xterm work? How about rxvt? Also, how do I set the LS_OPTIONS so that my directory listings will be in color? Right now I am using an alias, but that's a sloppy way to do it. An alias is the correct way to do it. I don't know why it's sloppy. See the documentation in /usr/doc/fileutils. Also, does fvwm95 support colorized listings? This is not an fvwm95 issue, it's an xterm/rxvt issue. The color xterm and rxvt will; plain xterm won't. -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD-ROM -- how to mount, etc.
Alexander Gieg wrote: Ooops, I've make a little mistake here. It's xlib6, not xlib. Never mind, xlib is almost a synonyme to xlib6 because very few applications nowadays still use X11R5 libraries. Or am I wrong? I use lilo, so I don't know the procedure. But all these cp, rm and ln, do you really need to do them manually? They don't seem to consist an orthodox procedure. For me, after make clean; make dep, I just need to make zlilo and everything will be in place: old vmlinuz is moved to vmlinuz.old, System.map is created, etc. I don't known this. I don't see this in the docs at the kernel source directory. Look at /usr/src/linux/Readme.xxx. In fact, as a newbie, one should learn the habit to read all the Readme and Install files immediately after unpacking source files (esp all the .tar.gz packages), at least the Install file. That helps a lot and reduce problems afterwards. Actually, some friends of mine are always complaining that there are a lot of things to read before we could do something. But the rest of us don't agree: we feel that if one doesn't have the patience to do this, which is the Unix way, one should turn back to the pnp Win95 system. Don't you agree? To read is a way to learn. How could we increase our knowledge without learning? I think that a best thing would be a single make kernel, for newbies, that would do *all* these makes in the correct order, only with some questions like: Do you want to keep your current kernel?, Do you want to create a new LILO entry to boot your previous kernel? and so on. First of all, I don't think compiling a tailor-made kernel is something for newbies, it seems too dangerous. By the way, I am still a Slackware Linux user. I join this group so as to learn the stability of Debian Linux before switching. One question: is there the loadlin package provided in Debian? This is necessary because make modules_install in kernel 2.0.27 doesn't remove the old modules if your previous kernel have the same version number. This can create problems... Another user had answered this for you. Take a look at his reply. ... Alexander Gieg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cron.daily et al.
Paul Seelig wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote: How about a (cron) job, that executed every time the machine gets booted and that checks when the cron jobs were executed for the last time. If these for were not executed for say two days (weeks, months) then they get executed regardless the actual hour, day, week of month. I second this. It is not so hard actually to change the time settings oneself. Every system administrator should be able to do so. and we are all supposed to be sysadmins, aren't we? Regards, P. *8^) So please give us a concrete solution. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cron.daily et al.
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:31:09 +0100 Seak, Teng-Fong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Paul Seelig wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote: How about a (cron) job, that executed every time the machine gets booted and that checks when the cron jobs were executed for the last time. If these for were not executed for say two days (weeks, months) then they get executed regardless the actual hour, day, week of month. So please give us a concrete solution. The solution's called anacron. Check it out on your closest debian mirror. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cron.daily et al.
I heard of a program called anacron to solve just this problem, but I don't think it's available as a Debian package, yet. Maybe someone here knows where to get it? Otherwise, you could try comp.unix.admin or gopher. That package is in project/experimental/anacron_1.0.1-3_all.deb I install it this weekend ... and all problems were solved. --jan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unidentified subject!
I've succesfully installed Debian 1.2, but if running fvwm95 it seems that several applications don't run properly: how to save or configure the desktop?? I would appreciate any help! Javier Gismero Dpto. SSR, ETSIT, Universidad Politecnica Madrid 28040 Madrid Tf:34-1-3367361 fax:34-1-3367362 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unidentified subject!
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Javier Gismero wrote: I've succesfully installed Debian 1.2, but if running fvwm95 it seems that several applications don't run properly: how to save or configure the desktop?? I would appreciate any help! Javier Gismero Dpto. SSR, ETSIT, Universidad Politecnica Madrid 28040 Madrid Tf:34-1-3367361 fax:34-1-3367362 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, fvwm95 puts up load of application regardeless of what is on the system or not. At first i didn't like it but now I think it's ok, it's a good way to learn the format for the config file. Keep a backup of the old (isn't that a trivial advice ;-) the config file is: /etc/X11/fvwm95/system.fvwm2rc95 which is discribed in fvwm95's man page for the format of the file look at that man page: man fvwm95-2 ciao, --- Geert Esger Raestel.: (+32) 820 26 66 Centrum Medische Genetica fax.: (+32) 820 25 66 Universiteit Antwerpen UIA E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Universiteitsplein 1 WWW: http://bioc-www.uia.ac.be/u/esger 2610 Wilrijk --- E-music on the Net : http://bioc-www.uia.ac.be/u/esger/emusic --- People talking about the environment ought to read The Sheep Look Up by John Brunner, then they'll know what pollution is. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: loadlin (was: CD-ROM -- how to mount, etc.)
On Jan 20, 9:23, Seak, Teng-Fong wrote: One question: is there the loadlin package provided in Debian? Yes, Debian 1.2 contains a loadlin package with loadlin version 1.6. Beware that the tools directory on a Debian 1.2 CDROM (or the ftp site) contains loadlin 1.5 which cannot load bzImages. I could not find out who is responsible for this directory so I sent a note to Christoph Lameter, the loadlin package maintainer, which he forwarded on to Bruce. Kirk Hilliard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unidentified subject!
thanks, Esger, for your help on fvwm95. Actually I've been configuring some applications editing the file you mention but the problem is that the applications for save and configure the desktop don't invoke any program but it seems that load some binary modules:FvwmConfig, FvwmSave etc. That modules are in the system but the applications dont run. Any help??? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cron.daily et al.
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Seak, Teng-Fong wrote: Paul Seelig wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote: How about a (cron) job, that executed every time the machine gets booted and that checks when the cron jobs were executed for the last time. If these for were not executed for say two days (weeks, months) then they get executed regardless the actual hour, day, week of month. I second this. It is not so hard actually to change the time settings oneself. Every system administrator should be able to do so. and we are all supposed to be sysadmins, aren't we? So please give us a concrete solution. A concrete solution for the aspiring sysadmin is launch apropos cron at a shell prompt which gives as result crontab (5) - tables for driving cron cron (8) - daemon to execute scheduled commands and this shows you which man pages to read. Then just read them and understand their contents. After that find out where the cron scripts which are not invoked by crontab -e reside on your system and read and understand them too. You will find that the man pages you read before already point to the proper places, but you could do as well a locate cron to be sure not to miss anything. If you succeed with all the aforementioned just adapt them to your needs. Not so hard actually, is it!? Regards, P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unidentified subject!
Hi Esger, Ok, the changes I do to the config file propagate to the system, that's fine. My question is about the specific aplications regarding the desktop configuration that appear under modules: save config and configure. In the configuration file there are not execs related to these but modules: FwmConfig and FwmSave. That modules are in my system but the applications dont run. Thanks again, *** Javier Gismero tel: (34 1) 3367358 fax : (34 1) 3367362 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E.T.S.I.Telecomunicacion Universidad Politecnica Madrid Ciudad Universitaria S/N 28040 MADRID *** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Robert Nicholson wrote: Exactly what is this multi screen session concept that allows you to type ALT-F4 and login again... I'd like to read the documentation on this feature. 8^) This is one of many undocumented goodies which lie scattered throughout the Linux universe, waiting for you to stumble across them. It's called virtual consoles, and alt-f[0-6] is the default configuration if I remember correctly. You have a whole bunch of consoles available from your single keyboard/monitor, and you can switch back and forth. (I'm writing this from F3, where I usually keep my mailbox with all of my mailing lists.) You could add more virtual consoles if you wanted, but you probably don't need to. Also, did you know that you can have a session going, quit from it, and resume that session later? You can, and the company that brings it to you is not ATT. 8^) Do a man on screen and read for yourself. Next thing you know, you'll be playing with (ctrl-z, bg, fg, jobs) and command-line editing. Ain't Linux great? __ Todd Graham Lewis Linux! Core Engineering Mindspring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 719 4664, x2804 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marketing Debian
-Hello, thinking about moving debian to its correct position might be enhanced by well placed articles in tech publications and even corporate oriented ones such as computerworld, ifoweek, datamation. the only problem is who will write them and what is our mission. the mission statement is crucial and then we can march of to lead the way. allan Name: Allan W. Bart, Jr. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/20/97 Time: 8:48:50 AM This message was sent by Chameleon - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote: Todd Also, did you know that you can have a session going, quit from it, and Todd resume that session later? You can, and the company that brings it to you Todd is not ATT. 8^) Do a man on screen and read for yourself. Todd Todd Next thing you know, you'll be playing with (ctrl-z, bg, fg, jobs) and Todd command-line editing. Todd Todd Ain't Linux great? Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. borik -- _[_]_ Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] (O-O) For pgp public key, email me =(_)= with subject get pgp-key -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. Virtual consoles aren't even Linux-specific, although they were one of Linus' main beefs with Minix, as I recall; from the beginning they have been a touted feature, if not a linux-only one. __ Todd Graham Lewis Linux! Core Engineering Mindspring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 719 4664, x2804 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrading rex's libc, was Re: Bug in libc5.4.13
Tadeusz Bak writes: [SNIP] The bug is fixed in libc5.4.17 (from bo directory). So I think that libc in rex should be upgraded. Yes, why not upgrade rex's libc? Nothing would break, the packages are ready... If we want rex to be stable, that would be part of the normal bug fixing routine. Regards, -- Adriano -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free space on Linux Drive
Often you can find commands like this by using the -k (keyword) option of man. If you want to search for multiple keywords, pipe the output into grep. callandor:~ man -k free | grep disk df (1) - summarize free disk space Those anyone collecting Tips for debian? This is a good one for it... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ICMP redirect kernel message
mike horansky writes: Looking through /var/log/messages, I see Jan 18 18:23:34 bigbox kernel: ICMP redirect from IP addr withheld Jan 18 18:23:34 bigbox last message repeated 3 times every few days. Is that an indication of Ping Of Death? Some other problem? ICMP redirects are sent by your gateways to your host to provide it with a better route to some place (ie, telling you to use another local gateway for that particular connection). Gateways shouldn't obey ICMP redirs, BTW. If you received an ICMP redir from a host that's not your gateway, I think something is amiss. Maybe it's just a (remote) configuration problem? Shouldn't your routers block these packages? -- Adriano -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
Gith writes: I've been watching the debates about Cds, dividing up non-free, and etc.. And I had a few thoughts I wanted to throw out at everyone. I think if debian is going to succeed, it's going to have to be reduced to a standard set of core applications that will make up the offical distribution of debian. Right now, the distribution is huge and it's getting bigger. In the process, it seems less is getting done in the way of providing comprehensive testing, marketing, etc.. of each new release. Many people are handling multiple packages and getting either burnt out or don't have enough time to adequatly test the packages they do maintain. We have a core now. It's the base (i.e. required) set of packages installed from the floppy set. You are right about the growing size of the distribution. Perhaps an alternative method of upgrading the base into a usable system is the order of the day. While I understand and applaud the basic concepts behind Debian, it's success will depend on what the commercial community does with it. Therefor, I think the following needs to be done to help Debian get going in the right direction. 1) I realize this process will start a religious debate over what program is the best, but, someone ( everyone? ) needs to decide on the core packages that will make up the offcial distribution. ie smail, sendmail, qmail, etc. which one will debian choose as the default for the distribution? Maybe not, if an alternative method exist which allows one to either use a plugin database for a core application, or custom create one, then it doesn't have to be a religious debate 8-) in the case of user apps, one application could be choosen that works on terminals and one that works in X. ( where possible ) ie users will need a mail reader. for terminals: elm for X: exmh this will create a standardized distribution that commercial vendors can easily support. it will reduce greatly the size of the main distribution and will allow devlopers to focus on just the applications that make up the offical distribution plus allow easier beta testing of the distribution as a whole. some things, like games, should definatly not be part of the offcial distribution. while i dearly love xtetris, you can't consider it a necessity. 2) Everything else could be moved over to contrib. not necessary! 3) revamp the web pages. its the first place a user might check for info maybe, I don't use the web very much and would not find this useful. 4) open up the release dates a bit. last i heard, the push was for 3 month I agree! 5) the quest for a debian logo has produced some really good work from Documentation, that's a mixed bag. Some of it is great, some of it is overwhelming, some of it is pi**-poor. just some thoughts Just my 2K worth 8-) -- -= Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X windows
Rob MacWilliams wrote: I am running X using xdm. Is there a more elegent way to go to the full screen consoles than kill xdm. When I try to exit fvwm, on the middle button menu, it kills all my windows and restarts X with a new login prompt. Thanks Rob N9NPU Less is more; more or less. -- I don't quite understand your question, but it doesn't matter. Press Ctrl-R at login prompt. Is this what you want to know? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote: Todd Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Todd Todd Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. Todd Todd OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash Todd and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. [t]csh has fg,bg stuff built in. And tcsh isn't gnu-ish borik P.S that diesn't mean that linux isn't great :-) -- _[_]_ Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] (O-O) For pgp public key, email me =(_)= with subject get pgp-key -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How can I get my 3 button serial mouse to use all 3 buttons
Stan Brown wrote: I just goat a new (cheap) 3 button mouse, proudly pluged it in, ent to /etc/X11/XF86config and commenred out the Emulate3Buttons. Ubfortunately the middle button still doesn'y wrk. What else should I try? Shouldn't you reconfigure XFree86 by running the xfconfig programme rather than changing the config file, XF86config, manually? Don't forget this trivial advice: make a backup of XF86config. If the programme isn't xfconfig, it's something like that (sorry, I'm not in front of my PC at this moment, so I forgot its name). -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape problems :(
I just installed Netscape 3.01 for Linux, and it looks not bad. The problem is screen sizes. I'm running XFree86 3.2 in 800x600 mode with the fvwm95 manager, but whenever I open the mail window, it won't fit on the screen. Not to mention that I can't figure out how to get past 256 colors. Was this package installed using the Debian package, or by hand? Netscape probably won't find its app-defaults file without being set up properly. You can also put something in your .Xresources file or start it with a command like: 'netscape -geometry 1137x990' (on 1280x1024) I don't know if netscape can handle more than 8-bits of color. Of course, if X is running with 16 or 24 bitplanes, netscape will get all colors that it asks for. P.S. Could anyone recomend a good manager, or should I stick with fvwm95? I use fvwm without any problems. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- if you have a 50% chance of guessing right,you will guess wrong 75% of the time -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how to type accents with pine in a msg?
How is it possible to type accents in a mail msg. composed with pine? I saw no mention of 8bit composing in the man page, docs and config files. Carlos -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apache and man2html
Does anyone know if the man2html package with apache's new document root of /home/www-date/webspace? man2html used to work, but now, when I try to pull up a man page, I get an error that tells me my client does not have access to that file (or words to that effect). I have noticed that everytime I try to install man2html it puts files in /var/web/webspace/html which is under the old document root. Am I just blowing smoke? Thanks Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote: Todd Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Todd Todd Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. Todd Todd OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash Todd and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. [t]csh has fg,bg stuff built in. And tcsh isn't gnu-ish borik P.S that diesn't mean that linux isn't great :-) One more thing: ^Z, bg, etc existed before Linux. And I don't imply that Linux isn't great either ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
About Netscape
Brian C. White wrote: I don't know if netscape can handle more than 8-bits of color. Of course, if X is running with 16 or 24 bitplanes, netscape will get all colors that it asks for. Yes, netscape can run under highcolor and truecolor. By the way, does anyone of you know how to play sound under netscape. It seems that netscape is compiled without sound driver, and Netscape Inc. doesn't seem to provide support to Linux version netscape. I've read most of its html pages on support but got nothing useful on this issue. Or did I miss it??? I use fvwm without any problems. I use fvwm95 and everything's fine. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Seak, Teng-Fong wrote: Seak, Seak, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Seak, Seak, Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote: Seak, Todd Seak, Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Seak, Todd Seak, Todd Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. Seak, Todd Seak, Todd OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash Seak, Todd and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. Seak, Seak, [t]csh has fg,bg stuff built in. And tcsh isn't gnu-ish Seak, Seak, borik Seak, Seak, P.S that diesn't mean that linux isn't great :-) Seak, Seak, One more thing: ^Z, bg, etc existed before Linux. And I don't imply Seak, that Linux isn't great either ;) Exactly my point. borik -- _[_]_ Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] (O-O) For pgp public key, email me =(_)= with subject get pgp-key -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Duplicate files in man directories
I have a large number of duplicate files in various man directories. The duplicates all have one date when I do an ls -l within a directory. What must I do to remove the files with this date without removing the other files in the directory? Can I use grep in conjunction with some other command? The file dates look like Aug 12 for example. There are too many of them to rm one at a time. As you can tell I am not a unix wizard. Little by little though I'm learning. Really enjoy Debian because you learn so much while using it. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where can I find xterm_color?
Shaya == Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know anything about fvwm95, but if you put the
following line in your .bash_profile or equivalent, 'ls' should
display in color:
eval `dircolors`
Shaya I don't think this works anymore, I think the color-ls was
Shaya folded into the normal ls, and you have to put all the
Shaya aliases in your .bash_{rc,profile} manually. However, I
Shaya can't verify this since my system at work doesn't seem to
Shaya want to accept any connections right now except for
Shaya telnet's to port 25 (so at least I know it hasn't crashed
Shaya :-) )
Thanks for pointing out that I'm out of date! Upon taking a second
look, I noticed that I still have the color-ls package installed, and
my fileutils package is 3.12-4. I'll have to upgrade. But didn't
the person who asked the question specifically ask about how to set up
the LS_COLORS environment variable, and isn't that was 'dircolors' is
supposed to do?
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Networking problems
Hi
I have problems networking, below I've listed output from relevant programs but
when I ftp or telnet or rlogin the system fails. ftp just hangs and the 2 other
comes with a no route error
Any help would be appreciated since I can't get any further installing the
system (I've installed the base system from disk and wan't to use the ftp
method in dselect).
Karsten
PS: I've tried using the IP-address directly, so it's not a resolver problem.
ifconfig:
loLink encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Bcast:127.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3584 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
eth0 Link encap:10Mbps Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:AF:C8:2F:71
inet addr:130.226.145.156 Bcast:130.226.145.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
TX packets:5 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0
Interrupt:10 Base address:0x300
route
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
localnet* 255.255.255.0 U 0 01 eth0
127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo
default 130.226.145.1 0.0.0.0 UG1 00 eth0
route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
130.226.145.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 01 eth0
127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo
0.0.0.0 130.226.145.1 0.0.0.0 UG1 00 eth0
netstat -i
Kernel Interface table
Iface MTU Met RX-OK RX-ERR RX-DRP RX-OVR TX-OK TX-ERR TX-DRP TX-OVR Flags
lo 3584 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 BLRU
eth0 1500 0 0 0 0 0 8 0 0 0 BRU
/etc/init.d/network
#! /bin/sh
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
route add -net 127.0.0.0
IPADDR=130.226.145.156
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
NETWORK=130.226.145.0
BROADCAST=130.226.145.255
GATEWAY=130.226.145.1
ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}
route add -net ${NETWORK}
route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1
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Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
According to Todd Graham Lewis: On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Robert Nicholson wrote: Exactly what is this multi screen session concept that allows you to type ALT-F4 and login again... I'd like to read the documentation on this feature. 8^) This is one of many undocumented goodies which lie scattered throughout the Linux universe, waiting for you to stumble across them. It's called virtual consoles, and alt-f[0-6] is the default . Actually, Virtual consoles are (well) documented, along with other Linux features in the vast array of linux-documentation-project and HOWTO's available at you local linux mirror, i.e., see section 3.2.3 Virtual consoles in Linux Installation and Getting Started by Matt Welsh. One of the Great feature of Linux over several other free unix os's is its extensive documentation. Please RT(very Fine)M. -- \/ \ Carl Greco PHONE voice: (402) 496-3381 / \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / \==/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mount/unmount scripts
On Thu, 16 Jan 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some shell scripts for mounting and unmounting DOS CDROM stuff. My DOS partition is /dev/hda1 and the cdrom drive is /dev/hdb. If yours is different, change the scripts to match your equipment. I keep these in the /root directory and use su - to access them. I'm working on automounting these devices so that I can dispose of these scripts. I use an entry in fstab to mount my DOS partition. You could do this with the CD as well except for the problem of removable media. I use a simple one line script to mount my CD. Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Setting up Linux as a PPP dial-in service with IP and IPX
Hi all! I'm trying to configure a Debian Linux machine with mgetty as a dial-in service for a few users. I want it to route TCP/IP and IPX protocols. I probably have done something wrong because when the modem detects a call I get an error message that says something with ...must be root. I don't have the exact error message right now, so'll post it later on. Can someone help me? Best regards, Mikael Bendtsen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
problem with installation
I'm having a problem with creating a fresh install of debian-1.2 I mirrored the site last night, all went well. Installed the base from the floppy disks. ran dselect Perl complains: Perl predepends on libc(=5.4.17-1) libc5 complains: perl predepends on libc(=5.4.17-1) Then when i goto the main dselect menu it says the version i have libc5 installed version 5.4.13-1 libc5 avail version 5.4.13-1 I'm running this all off of the stable directory. How can i get this resolved. Thanks. always, ronn -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -[Ronn Pimentel]- if cheese were to take a picture, what would it say? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IP-Masquerade and NetWare
Hi, I'm planning to set a linux box as a IP-Masquerade and I was wondering if the PC's under Linux will be able to connect to Netware servers, that is, will the Netware packets be forwarded by Linux? The design of the network is something like this: ---branch 1 |eth1 | | | eth0 | Linux |--Internet, Netware Servers | | ---branch 2 |eth2 | TIA, []s, mario Mario O.de Menezes - oo-O-oo- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Nuclear and Energetic Research Institute - IPEN-CNEN/SP | | BRAZIL - fone (+55) 011-816.9175 fax (+55) 011-8l6.9188 | | http://tucano.ipen.br - http://www.ipen.br/~mario/mario.html | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: Maybe that would be a good idea. What if experienced (or just opinionated :-) debian users put up web pages, perhaps at some central location like www.debian.org detailing their own mini-distributions. This is a good idea. Like you said, Debian was made to be extensible and allow for anyone to create their own distribution based on Debian; imho this is what makes it so strong, because different people use it for vastly different things. Michael Stutz | DESIGN SCIENCE LABS http://dsl.org/m | Hypermedia, Internet, Linux/GNU bumper stickers,indie rock,rants | Linux: http://dsl.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian includes dir lacks symlinks to kernel sources
I discovered today, while attempting to compile the modutils for the
Linux 2.1.21 development kernel, that Debian installs a set of kernel
includes into /usr/include/{asm,linux}, rather than the standard
symlinks to the kernel source tree!
This causes an undefined symbol error; and only the gods know what
else. -- are there structures changed too?
I would like it if the libc maintainer would make his installation
setup so that the symlinks are created if the installer wants them,
and the headers if they want that... Just ask a question from the
install script maybe?
Perhaps kernel includes should be a separate package, and symlinks
created in /usr/include to them. I think that this is what most linux
programmers will expect to find in /usr/include.
If I upgrade libc, will that wipe out my kernel tree now that I've
'rm -r'd the /usr/include/{linux,asm} directories, and created
symlinks to /usr/src/linux/include/{linux,asm-i386}? I'd like it if
the libc maintainer's scripts would check for that also, please.
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Re: Two last problems...
On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Paul Rightley wrote: Well, I alomost have a perfect Debian 1.2 system on my Thinkpad 365XD... Now I am down to only two problems - both of them I have seen mentioned here, but I do not remember if I have seen the solutions. The first problem is that syslogd is keeping the load on my machine at 1.0 even if nothin else is happenning with the system. At the same time I get huge numbers of 'The last message repeated 123456 times' appearing in /var/log/messages' Is there a way to get syslogd to work correctly? It is probably of interest to see what that last message was. I is most likely that process that is overloading syslogd. The other problem relates to loadlin. After installing Debian 1.2 with the kernel sources (and compiling a kernel), I cannot get loadlin to successfully boot into linux. When loadlin starts, I get the 'Loading..' and then I quickly get screens and screens of thing like '[sdfq2134345]'. This same kernel works fine when booting from the floppy. What am I doing wrong? You need a newer version of loadlin. 1.6 is available in the misc section of the 1.2 distribution and will load your kernel for you. Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: diald problems. argh.
My /etc/diald/diald.options file says connect /etc/ppp/startppp-diald, and that file says pppd connect chat -f /etc/ppp/chatscript which contains my chatscript, and works fine. (I've been dialing for the past few months by running pppd manually.) You're starting pppd yourself in the connect script while diald expects to start pppd itself. The connect script should just execute the `chat' command. Re-read the diald manpage and look in the mail archives, I've already explained that one week ago. Yes, Phil - that explanation was to me. Thanks very much. I've got everything working successfully now - and it's great! However, I just didn't find this obviously stated in the manpages I haven't gone back to actually see if I could find this point mentioned, but if others are having this same problem, I don't feel so bad grin Should we (or I) talk to someone and get the docs edited slightly and add a , let me repeat, *** YOU DON'T NEED TO START pppd FROM YOUR DIALD CHAT SCRIPT BECAUSE DIALD STARTS pppd AUTOMATICALLY ONCE THE CHAT SCRIPT COMPLETES. *** This or something similar would make things a little more obvious I know the reason I ran into the problem (and probably why Hamish did too) was that the FAQ, HOWTO, doc, or whatever, had a step-by-step procedure on getting the dialup connection going. The first stage was to get a working ppp connection which takes you through getting a chat script going, etc. Then, once that's done, it moves into discussing how to configure Diald. It wasn't clearly stated that you couldn't use the same scripts for Diald that you could for pppd which was the natural assumption I made My $0.02 Kevin Traas Systems Analyst Edmondson Roper Chartered Accountants http://users.uniserve.com/~erca Chilliwack, B.C. Pager: (604) 918-2054 Office: (604) 792-1915 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some thoughts for Debian.
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, John Goerzen wrote: While I understand and applaud the basic concepts behind Debian, it's success will depend on what the commercial community does with it. I disagree. Debian is free software. If enough people at home use it, that will be fine. Or if it penetrates into Computer Science, Engineering, etc... Finally, a voice of reason. What made me try Debian in the first place was its supposed commitment to free software and the free software community, and now the talk has turned into something more like marketing the next Microsoft product. Complete with brainstorming on how to destroy the competition (Red Hat and Slackware). Can't Debian exist with its brothers and sisters, or is this a fight to win? I believe that its success will depend on what Debian (and non-Debian) Linux/GNU has always depended on: individuals, and what this community of individuals will do with it. 3) revamp the web pages. its the first place a user might check for info on debian and they look really bad right now. ( i know this has already been discussed ) Now this I agree with! It is especially bad to see some parts of this may not be working... at the top. Delete links to those that don't work or fix them. Who's in charge of them, and how can one get involved with this? Michael Stutz | DESIGN SCIENCE LABS http://dsl.org/m | Hypermedia, Internet, Linux/GNU bumper stickers,indie rock,rants | Linux: http://dsl.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where can I find xterm_color?
Can somebody put a line in such that we can reply to the list rather than to the user? I have seen several people request this already. James LewisMoss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shaya == Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shaya On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Nathan L. Cutler wrote: John == John [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John I finally got X Windows up and running, and I'm using fvwm95, John but when I try and start a new sheel, the message xterm_color John appears in my login window. John Also, how do I set the LS_OPTIONS so that my directory listings John will be in color? Right now I am using an alias, but that's a John sloppy way to do it. Also, does fvwm95 support colorized John listings? I don't know anything about fvwm95, but if you put the following line in your .bash_profile or equivalent, 'ls' should display in color: eval `dircolors` Here's what I got in my .bashrc to set up color. if [ $ANSI = true ] ; then eval `dircolors ~/.dir_colors` fi if [ $ANSI = true ] ; then LS_BIN=/bin/ls --color else LS_BIN=/bin/ls fi alias ls=$LS_BIN -FC # removed argument 'o' from these three lines alias l=$LS_BIN -lFC alias dir=$LS_BIN -l alias cls=clear ; $LS_BIN I have XTerm handling colors, and 'ls' will also generate colors, but only for file types such as directories and executables. The 'dircolors' executable just sets up LS_COLORS='', which isn't very useful. The documentation for 'dircolors' refers to using 'dircolors --print-data-base' for help on what format to use, so I saved the output and tried running dircolors on it, but it still sets LS_COLORS to a null string. Does anybody have any information on how to get 'ls' to colorize files by file name, such as the old color-ls used to do? Unless I am completely missing something obvious, it looks like either 'dircolors' doesn't work, or the documentation is completely wrong (this is running on Debian 1.2). Thanks for any information. -- Carl Johnson[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel panics, crashes.
Hello all. Saturday night, while I was testing my tape backup procedure, I did a full restore into an unused partition. I tried an rm -r on that partition, and got a kernel panic, locking my system. Happened again later that night. Earlier today, while demonstrating the slowness and cpu usage of IDE, I was copying a directory to another place on the same filesystem. Locked up silly. Anyone have ideas as to what I'm doing wrong? --Pete ___ Peter J. Templin, Jr. Client Services Analyst Computer Communication Services tel: (717) 524-1590 Bucknell University [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
