Re: ICQ

[Christopher Jason Morrone]

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Travis Cole wrote:

[cut]
> I would love to have this as in a free and open form but now the only option I
> can see is ICQ or AOL's AIM and right now AIM is the only one working for more
> than Windows.

Hehe, I just checked this out...I'll try it for a while because my family
back home uses AOL.  But check out part of the disclaimer:

  AOL reserves the right, in its sole
  discretion and at any time, to discontinue
  the Service; limit, terminate, or suspend
  your use of the Service; assess charges for
  the future use of the Service; and/or make
  changes to this Registration Agreement.

Note the part where it says "assess charges". :)  Who knows, maybe they'll
be nice and keep a client free...but there's always the chance...


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Re: mail encrypting/pgp

[Stefan Baums]

Paul Miller wrote

> I noticed that almost everyone on this list uses pgp.. I installed the
> debian package and I'm wondering how do auto-encrypt/decrypt all my mail.
> 
> I use pine (pinepgp package) and netscape communicator 4.01b6

For pine, set

display-filters=_BEGINNING("-BEGIN PGP")_ /usr/lib/pinepgp/check 
_TMPFILE_ _RESULTFILE_
sending-filters=/usr/lib/pinepgp/crypt _TMPFILE_ _RECIPIENTS_, 
/usr/lib/pinepgp/sign _TMPFILE_, /usr/lib/pinepgp/auto _TMPFILE_ _RECIPIENTS_

in your ~/.pinerc and activate "compose-send-offers-first-filter" in pine's 
[S]etup-[C]onfig menu. This will automatically encrypt outgoing messages if 
you have the recipient's public key, decrypt incoming messages if they have 
been encrypted using your public key, display the status of pgp signatures, 
and add pgp public keys contained in incoming messages to your keyring.

Greetings,
Stefan

PS. Just to test your setup, this message is pgp signed and my public key is 
included.


0.insertkeys.1591.exmh
Description: keys of Stefan Baums 
Stefan Baums
Universitaet Goettingen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


pgpa9IBBVPtbb.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: mail encrypting/pgp

[Colin R. Telmer]

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Paul Miller wrote:

> I noticed that almost everyone on this list uses pgp.. I installed the
> debian package and I'm wondering how do auto-encrypt/decrypt all my mail.
> 
> I use pine (pinepgp package) and netscape communicator 4.01b6

Don't know how to do it in netscape but for pine, given you also have
pinepgp installed, read the README.debian in /usr/doc/pinepgp and
"add the following line to your "display-filters" section of your
configuration:

_BEGINNING("-BEGIN PGP")_ /usr/lib/pinepgp/check _TMPFILE_ _RESULTFILE_

if you want to check sigs (do this by editing .pinerc or using the config
option in the main menu of pine

and for outgoing mail,add the following lines to your "sending-filters" 
section of your configuration: 

  /usr/lib/pinepgp/auto _TMPFILE_ _RECIPIENTS_
  /usr/lib/pinepgp/sign _TMPFILE_
  /usr/lib/pinepgp/crypt _TMPFILE_ _RECIPIENTS_

You might also consider enabling the "compose-send-offers-first-filter"
feature.  

Then when you send a message, you will be prompted for which filter you
would like to use.


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Re: ICQ

[Riku Saikkonen]

Travis Cole wrote:
>On 30-Jul-97 Riku Saikkonen wrote:
>>To tell if someone is online:
>> - finger
>> - rwho (but rwhod isn't installed in most places)
>> - talk (try to talk...)
>Now if my friend runs Win95 and his ISP doesn't support shell accounts or
>finger, then how is finger going to do any good?  You defeated your own point

Have him run a finger daemon on the Win95. I think those already exist; at
least I've heard of one. (I don't use Win95, so I don't know for sure... But
fingerd is easy to write.)

>of rwho.  And I think there are some Win95 talk clients but you need to know
>your friends IP which can present a problem.
>
>And I fully realize that ICQ at this point is only good if all parties involved
>are running Windows.  I am trying to defent my point that ICQ for Linux would
>be good.  Well unless I had to pay $10 a month for it.

What I'm trying to say is that ICQ for Linux would be no better than
fingerd+talkd+... for Win95. ICQ has nothing new; it's just MS's proprietary
implementation of things that finger, talk, IRC, and friends have done for
years.

And ICQ is not free, and likely never will be. The client may be free of
charge right now, but an ICQ server isn't. Not all want to use MS's
centralised server; for example, if you're on a network not connected to the
Internet (or MS's ICQ server has crashed, or MS has shut it down in favour
of some newer, cooler, and more expensive "invention"), ICQ doesn't work at
all, but finger and friends do. And it looks like even the (use of the) ICQ
client won't be free for long...

(Not to even speak of the other, usually more important, meaning of "free":
free with source code that anyone can modify and distribute.)

>>To message:
>> - rwrite / rmsg, if installed (it's not in most places)
>> - e-mail
>> - perhaps ytalk (I seem to remember that ytalkd had a feature for this,
>>   but I'm not sure)
>> - IRC, if he's on there (tell him to be [1])
>>To chat:
>> - talk (ytalk for more than two people at a time)
>> - IRC
>> - one of the voice chat programs for voice
>Once again same points.  Most of these are not supported for someone with Win95
>and a dynamic IP.  The IRC networks are terribly unreliable and who whants to
>keep an IRC clent open all day just to receive messages that you may not see
>unless you can setup your IRC client to give you some kind of notification when
>you are send a message.  I will admit I don't fully understand the feasablity
>of your IRC suggestion, that may very well be possible.

Unreliable IRC networks are solved by running your own reliable IRC
"network" (one or two servers are enough for quite a few people), or finding
a reliable IRC network (EFnet probably isn't a good choice :)). (But I think
(y)talk would be better than IRC for this kind of thing, at least if you can
find out the IP somehow (see below).)

>And the problem with email is how many people check their email every 2
>minutes.  With ICQ the message when you send someone a message they are made
>immediatly aware of it.  The also have the option of turning that notification
>off.

If you run an e-mail notifier such as xbiff (I'm pretty sure those exist for
Win95 too), you get the same thing with e-mail. If you write a procmail (or
equivalent) script, you can do much more, for example playing a tune on the
sound card when a certain friend mails you.

>>The major problem with these is that they're not installed everywhere. But
>>neither is ICQ. And if we're going to get a system that's in common use, I'd
>>much rather have it be something free, decentralised and tried-and-true
>>(like IRC or fingerd+talkd+smtpd) than something proprietary like ICQ.
>I also would much rather have something like IRC, finger, talk, or email but
>finger and talk do not work well if at all with non Unix computers.  In light
>of this a multiplatform program like ICQ may be better.

finger, talk, and e-mail are _much_ more multiplatform than ICQ. And a major
point: It is much easier to write a fingerd, (y)talkd, and IRC client for
Win95 than to port ICQ to Linux. (Actually, a fingerd, some form of talkd,
and IRC clients for Win95 already exist. Tell your friends to use them!)

(It seems to me that ICQ isn't multiplatform at all, but supports only
Windows on Intel. Am I missing something?)

>You still seem to be assuming that every one has a static IP or that I can
>easily find my friends dynamic IP and this is usualy not the case.  For email
>notification if you are not directly on the network your email goes to (dial up
>connection) then that may be a little to slow for what I would like. 

E-mail can be just as fast as any other kind of connection, if set up
properly. (You probably need to run an SMTP daemon on your machine; but
those exist for both Linux and Win95.) SMTP does work with dynamic IPs too;
just route it through the ISP's mail server (most ISPs do this). (If you
know the IP of the receiver (and he runs an open smtpd), you can also send
mail directly, bypassing mail re

PS/2 Model 80

[Nathan E Norman]

I inherited one of these beasts, and I see it has a 386 in it.  I
figured I could try to install Linux on it and have it do something
useful like firewall our intranet server or something ... so, has anyone
installed Debian on a Model 80 before?  I've got enough RAM, a 314 MB
ESDI drive, and a SCSI card if the ESDI drive is toast.  A 3Com 3C529-TP
to get a net connection ... this is all MCA stuff of course and I'm not
an MCA expert.  Any hints?

I see Slackware has some sort of mca boot disk but I haven't run
Slackware since 1994.

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Re: Info(no)Magic April CDROM

[Joost Kooij]

H.C.Lai wrote:
> 
> I have had problems install Debian with the InfoMagic April CDROM.
> 
> I have used the last 3 CD sets released by InfoMagic and if my memory
> serves me right, I have encountered problems with each and every one of
> them. If I were a totally new guys trying to install Debian using these
> CD sets, I would probably give up and install other Linux distribution
> instead; and as a matter of fact, this was what one of my colleague did
> not too long ago.

Maybe you can't blame them for everything that went wrong with the debian 
distribution included in their last cd-sets, but not mentioning the debian 
installation in the booklet that comes with the cd-sets is unforgivable.

Next time, you may want to try LSL's or CheapBytes' _Official_Debian_ double 
cd. Also a lot cheaper than InfoMagic, because you don't have to pay for the 
RedHat and Slackware cd's. 


Joost


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xterm disappears

[Paul Miller]

When I'm not using xterm sometimes, it disappears..  The only thing that I
could think of is that it is connecting by ttyp* because I use the
timeoutd and it is only configured for ttyp*???

-Paul


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Re: Info(no)Magic April CDROM

[Jeff Noxon]

On Jul 31, Joost Kooij wrote:
> Jeff Noxon wrote:
> > 
> > Shouldn't we provide a script to CD manufacturers so they can verify
> > the Packages files against what they actually have on their mirror?
> 
> Starting with debian 1.3 there are special images available for cd 
> resellers. They only have to fetch _huge_ file and put that on the cd's.

That's fine, but CD manufacturers wanting to squeeze the last bit of
information onto their CDs are not going to use these official images.
It looks like Infomagic is one of them.

I burned my own binary CD with bo, non-free, contrib, and non-US.
Even with all of that stuff, it was under 500MB.  That leaves 150MB for
other stuff...

Jeff


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Re: Linus uses Red Hat?

[E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)]

> 
> George Bonser
> Why is it that the same people that tell us that manned space flight
> is a waste of money also tell us that we have been visited by aliens?
> 

It all makes perfect sense when you think of it:
since they are coming to us already, we don't need to go to them !

:)

Eric

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mail encrypting/pgp

[Paul Miller]

I noticed that almost everyone on this list uses pgp.. I installed the
debian package and I'm wondering how do auto-encrypt/decrypt all my mail.

I use pine (pinepgp package) and netscape communicator 4.01b6

-Paul


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Re: what's the better mta?

[Jason Costomiris]

On Wed, Jul 30, 1997 at 11:48:25AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Manoj Srivastava writes:
: > Hacking sendmail.cf is a mindset. Once you get into it (lord help me,
: > I've been there), there is an elegant simplicity about the rules.
: 
: Perhaps someone who has gotten into sendmail could write a sendmail.cf
: generator?  I know about m4.  It helps, but not enough.

A wise man (Peter Gutman) once said...

"HELO, my $name is sendmail.cf.  Prepate to vi..."

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Re: Minimizing Mail Packaages? now solved!

[Victor Torrico]

Victor Torrico wrote:

> Hello All, 
>
> "Connected intermittantly to internet using PPP to an ISP who uses POP3 for 
> mail.  I am attempting to minimize the number of packages needed to run mail. 
>  It seems there are many mail packages but not a great deal of information on 
> their interrelationships."
>
>

Hello Again,

Many thanks for the kind replies from Adrian, Buddha, Dima and Igor. 
It's so helpful to have people available that have the knowledge and
 information one needs.  I appreciate your time and effort.

Yes Igor, I turned off html in my outgoing messages.  Please advise if
there is still a problem there.

Well, it turns out that there is a new POP3 compliant X package that
does everything I need to do: fetches POP3 messages from the ISP, sends
outgoing messages, makes user-defined folders, uses a really neat mail
reader, composes outgoing messages, is eminently configurable, plus does
other stuff that I'm exploring.  The executable is a static binary. 

What I like is that it is one package and does not require other
supporting packages.  It's currently in beta but seems to be fairly
stable.  This is a work-in-progress with other features to be added.

Anyhow, it's called XCmail and is available from sunsite.  The file name
is XCmail-0.9-Linux-bin.tar.gz.  I don't know if the authors would agree
to GNU licensing or not.

I stuck it in /usr/local/xcmail with a soft link to the /usr/X11R6/bin
directory for executing it.

--- Victor


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Re: Unidentified subject!

[Jean Pierre LeJacq]

You can set up the your MTA to queue your messages instead of sending
immediately.  Then enable-background-sending in pine.

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On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> When using pine with diald, pine waits for the link
> to come up and the mail to go out before returning
> from a ^X (send) command.


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Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[Travis Cole]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-


On 31-Jul-97 Martin Schulze wrote:
>A. M. Varon writes:
>
>> > Perhaps Debian's becoming the developers' OS of choice, while Red Hat
>> > is replacing Slackware as the introduction to Linux.
>> > 
>> > Thoughts?
>> 
>> Another thought what distribution is linus using?
>
>RedHat and he seems to be quite happy with it.
>
>Regards
>
>   Joey
>
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>
>


I read some where that he actualy considered taking a job there but decided
against it so as to not create contention amoung the distrubution vendors.

I guess he can also be seen wearing RedHat T-shits at conventions and the like.

Hey is their any one who sells Debian T-shirts?  And is there even a Debian
Logo.  If no I think both would be cool.   We will seek

Just my thoughts


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Re: Debian-lite

[Mario Olimpio de Menezes]

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, George Bonser wrote:

> 
> What I had in mind to do for the local distribution that I was going to
> make was fvwm and a nice set of default menus. The default X install can
> be made a little nicer than Debian because I would only give them one
> choice  X or no X with fvwm installed as the window manager if they
> choose it.

Yes! I think exactly this is the way to go. No many options for little
pieces; just 3 or 4 major decisions should be enough.

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Re: Debian-lite

[Travis Cole]

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On 31-Jul-97 George Bonser wrote:
>
>On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote:
>
>> 
>>  I think would be a not good idea to have a OS been installed
>> without graphics interface nowadays. The great appeal of the others OS is
>> exactly their nice interface and trying to convince somebody, mainly a
>> newbie, to change to a powerful OS, but w/o X is, at least, harder. 
>>  XFree should be a default installation in Debian-Lite.
>
>
>What I had in mind to do for the local distribution that I was going to
>make was fvwm and a nice set of default menus. The default X install can
>be made a little nicer than Debian because I would only give them one
>choice  X or no X with fvwm installed as the window manager if they
>choose it.
>
>
>George Bonser
>Why is it that the same people that tell us that manned space flight
>is a waste of money also tell us that we have been visited by aliens?
>

Even better, I think would be a realy nicely, but not overly complicated, setup
Afterstep, or (future version or) WindowMaker.

And possibly have the install program tailor the config files for the
windowmanager specificly for the programs installed.

Perhaps choose a default setup for Wharf (or the dock) with some of the most
often used apps and if the user didn't install some have it check for that and
substitute another app and an Icon to go with it.

And do the same with the pull up menues, just add more applications.

But I think the key to attracting and keeping newbies is good and plentifull
documentation.   And if aimed at newbies, not assuming a whole lot of prior
Unix experience.

Just  my thoughts.

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HP Laserjet 6P: Can't make it print!

[Matthew R. Briggs]

Matthew R. Briggs wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I just got a brand-new HP Laserjet 6P, and whereas printing wasn't much
> of a priority for me before, I'd like to make this work so I can use
> Applixware and ditch MS Office.  Unfortunately, I am completely baffled
> by the problems I am having.  I am using a dual P166 with Debian 1.3.1,
> 2.0.30 SMP kernel and lp1 is what the printer is attached to.  My story
> goes like this:
> 
> LPR and LPRng "out of the box" will print ascii just fine, but
> postscript of course is just page after page of PS coding.
> 
> If I install apsfilter or magicfilter (tried them both) various things
> go wrong.  In both situations, I set it up to use the Laserjet 4
> filters.  With magicfilter installed, it acts basically the same, while
> apsfilter makes the whole thing refuse to print.  The error message
> looks like this:
> 
> bash-2.00$ lpr /usr/doc/gs/examples/chess.ps
> connection to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed - Connection refused
> job 'cfA291brunhilda' transfer to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed after 1 attempts
> 
> This, by the way, was after commenting out the "ascii" printer
> definition, which returned a "no printcap entry for printer ascii"
> error.  For some reason in the above situation the computer thinks it is
> printing to a remote printer, but that's definitely not what I want to
> do.
> 
> It will print just fine if I run Ghostscript and do it by hand, but that
> is a royal pain.
> 
> Does anyone have any advice for me?  I've seen a package called cti-ifhp
> that has filters for HP printers, but I don't know if it would do any
> good.  I am somewhat new to the gobbledygook of the /etc/printcap file
> and I can't make sense of what's going wrong.  Any help is greatly
> appreciated.  Thanks!
> 
> 
> Matthew R. Briggs
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,

I just got a brand-new HP Laserjet 6P, and whereas printing wasn't much
of a priority for me before, I'd like to make this work so I can use
Applixware and ditch MS Office.  Unfortunately, I am completely baffled
by the problems I am having.  I am using a dual P166 with Debian 1.3.1,
2.0.30 SMP kernel and lp1 is what the printer is attached to.  My story
goes like this:

LPR and LPRng "out of the box" will print ascii just fine, but
postscript of course is just page after page of PS coding.

If I install apsfilter or magicfilter (tried them both) various things
go wrong.  In both situations, I set it up to use the Laserjet 4
filters.  With magicfilter installed, it acts basically the same, while
apsfilter makes the whole thing refuse to print.  The error message
looks like this:

bash-2.00$ lpr /usr/doc/gs/examples/chess.ps
connection to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed - Connection refused
job 'cfA291brunhilda' transfer to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed after 1 attempts

This, by the way, was after commenting out the "ascii" printer
definition, which returned a "no printcap entry for printer ascii"
error.  For some reason in the above situation the computer thinks it is
printing to a remote printer, but that's definitely not what I want to
do.

It will print just fine if I run Ghostscript and do it by hand, but that
is a royal pain.

Does anyone have any advice for me?  I've seen a package called cti-ifhp
that has filters for HP printers, but I don't know if it would do any
good.  I am somewhat new to the gobbledygook of the /etc/printcap file
and I can't make sense of what's going wrong.  Any help is greatly
appreciated.  Thanks!


Matthew R. Briggs
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Re: Linus uses Red Hat?

[George Bonser]

Linus uses an Alpha.  Is the Debian alpha port done yet?


On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Technomancer wrote:

> While it may be important to a lot of people what distro Linus uses, I
> think what is more striking to a lot of people (especially within the
> US) is that NASA has used Debian twice now.  Consider that (and maybe
> slip the words mars in there.. hehe.) and you get a lot of potential for
> vectoring^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hadvocacy.
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Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[Travis Cole]

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On 31-Jul-97 Shaya Potter wrote:
>On 30 Jul 1997, Ben Gertzfield wrote:
>
>> I've been noticing quite in interesting trend, lately.
>> 
>> Seems most newbies to Linux, way back when, would use
>> Slackware. 'cause that was the only thing available.
>> 
>> Nowadays, since you can buy Red Hat at Fry's, and Egghead, and every
>> other electronics store in the US, it seems there are throbbing hordes
>> of newbies running it. (At least that's what I've determined in
>> comp.os.linux.misc :)
>> 
>> But! On the linux-kernel developers' list, most people are talking
>> about Debian.
>> 
>> Perhaps Debian's becoming the developers' OS of choice, while Red Hat
>> is replacing Slackware as the introduction to Linux.
>
>I don't know how true that is about Debian.  Doesn't Linus, Ted T'so, and
>a host of other prominent kernel developers use Red Hat.  I knowin talking
>to David Taylor (one of the programers of quake, and the guy who did the
>original port to Linux) of crack.com, they use Red Hat.  Actually their
>building their next games, Golgotha, on Linux box's and plan for it to be
>released simultanously for Win95 and Linux.
>
>Shaya
>

But they probably used to use Slackware.  Now the RedHat stage.  And then
Debian.

We Hope :)

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mail restrictions

[Paul Miller]

I need to setup mail restrictions -- users that can use mail and how
much space they can use.  Currently I'm using smail and quota.

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Re: Mail setup.

[Remco van de Meent]

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 : 
 : On a little ethernet like so:
 : 
 : moola.ethernet
 : fin.ethernet
 : coin.ethernet = ppp.isp.net
 : 
 : With one POP mailbox on pop.isp.net and
 : nameservers in isp.net.
 : 
 : Using smail 3.2 and ppp/diald.
 : 
 : I'd like to have all mail leaving the ethernet
 : to be from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

That isn't possible using smail 3.2 afaik.
You could use Qmail instead.

But.. You also could edit pine's From address for every box.. that way it
will even work with smail.

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Re: Debian-lite (Was Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence )

[George Bonser]

Well, I have an application for a subset of debian.  It would be a great
learning opportunity for me to learn more about building Debian packages,
etc.  One of the things I need to do for it is configure it with some
changes to the default smail config. 

One of the beauties on using Debian for this is that whenever we we modify
our UUCP routing tables, the updates for the sites could be distributed as
.deb packages and can be set up quickly and painlessly.

sbay.org is a community network in the Silicon Valley in California.  We
provide community access to email and limited Usenet news by UUCP relay
from site to site around San Francisco Bay. Many of the sites are
converting from DOS BBS systems (mostly waffle) to Linux.  To make this
less painful, I wanted to provide a distribution of Linux that includes a
set of applications that would be known to work in our environment. 

The major things would be:

UUCP
smail
cnews

If anyone is interested in having a look at what we do, you are welcome to
have a glance at www.sbay.org




On 31 Jul 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Alec Clews writes:
> > If this is already a work in progress please let me know.
> 
> You might want to look at the seul project (http://www.seul.org/).  They
> are right now choosing between rpm and dpkg.  They seem to be heading in
> the direction of a totally new distribution which IMHO is a poor idea.  If
> they continue that way, I would be willing to help with Debian-Lite (let's
> not call it that, though).
> 
> John Hasler
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netscape icons

[Paul Miller]

anyone have the 4 icons (.xpm format) from the component-bar on Netscape
Communicator?

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Re: psdatabase in /

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
psdatabase is used by programs like ps (for the WCHAN field)
 and top. Newer versions of ps can look at the System.map file,
 though, so newer (unstable) versions of the kernel-package no longer
 create psdatabases.

Hope this helps,

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Re: 3c503 Network card: Shared Memory??

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

Johnny Stevenson wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a 3c503 Network card from 3Com which reports at boot time:
> 
> 'REJUMPER FOR SHARED MEMORY'
> 
> I have read that this is what I should do for this card, but have no
> idea of how to go about this, or even where to start looking.
> 
> Is there a Howto, or does someone out there know the answer.

It suggests it since it will make your 3c503 run faster--with shared
mem Linux can run the card "at capacity", able to send back-to-back
packets. In order to do it you'll have to open up your computer, most
likely remove the card, and move one of those little jumbers which 
will enable this mode. If you don't have the manual for the card I
can look at mine when I get home. Let me know.

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user processes

[Paul Miller]

If a user logs in and runs a process such as fetchmail, will it still be
runnning when he/she logs out?


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Re: Debian-lite

[George Bonser]

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote:

> 
>   I think would be a not good idea to have a OS been installed
> without graphics interface nowadays. The great appeal of the others OS is
> exactly their nice interface and trying to convince somebody, mainly a
> newbie, to change to a powerful OS, but w/o X is, at least, harder. 
>   XFree should be a default installation in Debian-Lite.


What I had in mind to do for the local distribution that I was going to
make was fvwm and a nice set of default menus. The default X install can
be made a little nicer than Debian because I would only give them one
choice  X or no X with fvwm installed as the window manager if they
choose it.


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Re: Compressed docs and man pages in Debian packages

[E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)]

> 
> This script does not work if the filename has a directory appended.
> Do you have a bug fix for this?
> 
> I tend to agree with the original message that gzipped .dvi and 
> .html are not a great idea.  
> 
> > zxdvi:
> > 
> > #!/bin/sh
> > 
> > tmpname="/tmp/$1 unzipped"

Replace the line above with
tmpname="/tmp/`basename $1` unzipped"
(if you want to be able to view two dvi files with the same name, but in
different directories, try
tmpname="/tmp/`basename $1` unzipped $$"
but this shows the pid of the script in the title bar of xdvi, which you
may find ugly)

> > gunzip -c $1 > "$tmpname"
> > xdvi "$tmpname"
> > rm "$tmpname"
> > 
> > 
> > Put this in your personal bin directory (or /local/bin) and you're set.

Maybe compressed html is troublesome because of the implications it has
for links.  But it would be a very sensible feature for xdvi to
recognize compressed files, just like man does, or display from Image
Magick.  You're probably right that it's not a good policy to compress
dvi files as long as they're not automatically recognized.

Eric Meijer

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Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Wed, Jul 30, 1997 at 08:31:44PM -0500, Ben Gertzfield wrote:
> Perhaps Debian's becoming the developers' OS of choice, while Red Hat
> is replacing Slackware as the introduction to Linux.

With luck. But traditionally developers run Redhat too,
probably because it was popular earlier (I think), and especially
was available (released) for Alpha earlier, attracting Linus etc.
I believe Alan Cox (networking guru) runs it too.


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Re: ftp web pages updating in apache?

[Nils Rennebarth]

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On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, dada wrote:

>Hi
>
>How can I do to permit that one user, that have count in my computer
>(attached to and TCP/IP local network),can actualice your web pages?
>
>I want the next:
>
>1.- If the user make an authenticated ftp access,he must go to directory
>where is his web pages (but *only* to thats directory).
>
>2.- If the user make an anonymous ftp, he must go to my ftp server   
>(that works OK now)
Install wu-ftpd (if you not already did so)

- - create a new group named e.g. ftponly
- - make the user a member of ftponly
- - give the user a loginshell /usr/local/bin/ftponly
  This is a shellscript along the lines
#!/bin/sh
echo "Only FTP access allowed"
sleep 5
exit 0
- - Add the line
guestgroup ftponly
  to /etc/ftpd/ftpaccess

If the users homedirectory is not under /home/ftp then
  cd /home/the_said_user
  cp -a /home/ftp/{bin,lib,etc} .

Now the user needs to authenticate itself with name and password, and
can only ftp to the webspace (no shell access) and gets a chrooted
environment of his home directory.

Is it this what you want?

Nils

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Re: XServer prob. solved in Deb 1.3.1

[Daniel J. Mashao]

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Ralph Winslow wrote:

> Daniel J. Mashao wrote:
> > The only remaining problem is that I cannot change display modes now. The
> > monitor makes a funny sound and its shows some fuzzy lines if I try to get
> > the 1024x768 video mode. I am stuck at 800x600 and 640x480. If, however, I
> > start with the 1024x768 then I cannot get 800x600. This is not a big
> > problem but like anything else I would like to get it solved.
> 
> I dream of someday getting 800x600 working again, and I have 2Mb on my
> tgui9440agi.  I'll try the noaccel thing, but any other clues you could
> share would be appreciated - deeply.
Actually I can get one of the two modes working. In the XF86Config file
I think under Monitor or Device section put 800x600 mode before 1024x786.
If I do this I get 800x600 but not 1024x786 mode and if I put 1024x786
before 800x600 the opposite happens. I hope this will help, but clearly
there is a problem with the server. The new seerver seems improved but it
may have introduced a bug or two.
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Re: Info(no)Magic April CDROM

[Jeff Noxon]

On Jul 31, H.C.Lai wrote:
> I have had problems install Debian with the InfoMagic April CDROM.
> The package 'xlib6_3.2-1a.1.deb' and 'latex_2e-7.deb' are physically not 
> there !!! I would imagine xlib6 is too important to be omitted from
> the CDs. I think the worse bit is that both packages are referred to in
> the Pacakages.gz files. That confused the whole installing process
> totally. 

Shouldn't we provide a script to CD manufacturers so they can verify
the Packages files against what they actually have on their mirror?
I have noticed similar problems before, even on master.  I think the
script should:

  - verify md5sums
  - verify that all the packages actually exist
  - (?) warn about packages not in the Packages files

Just a thought...

Thanks,

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Re: Linus uses Red Hat?

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Wed, Jul 30, 1997 at 05:57:04AM -0700, Technomancer wrote:
> While it may be important to a lot of people what distro Linus uses, I
> think what is more striking to a lot of people (especially within the
> US) is that NASA has used Debian twice now.  Consider that (and maybe
> slip the words mars in there.. hehe.) and you get a lot of potential for
> vectoring^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hadvocacy.

Maybe .. but just because NASA put an 8085 in the Sojourner,
I doubt Intel is getting a lot of calls from people wanting
one on their desk. From a less technical user's point of view,
NASA has very specialised applications and they might feel
Debian is too specialised to be for them.


Hamish

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Info(no)Magic April CDROM

[H.C.Lai]

I have had problems install Debian with the InfoMagic April CDROM.
The package 'xlib6_3.2-1a.1.deb' and 'latex_2e-7.deb' are physically not 
there !!! I would imagine xlib6 is too important to be omitted from
the CDs. I think the worse bit is that both packages are referred to in
the Pacakages.gz files. That confused the whole installing process
totally. 

I eventually, after a hugh amount of struggle, managed to figure out
that they are not actually in the CDs and that one has to ftp copies
from the Debian site. But that discovery came too late, I had to
install Slackware instead and yet another lost opportunity to introduce
Debian to new organizations! I must admit the Slackware is very easy to
install and I did not have any problem eventhough this was my first time
installing Slackware.

I have used the last 3 CD sets released by InfoMagic and if my memory
serves me right, I have encountered problems with each and every one of
them. If I were a totally new guys trying to install Debian using these
CD sets, I would probably give up and install other Linux distribution
instead; and as a matter of fact, this was what one of my colleague did
not too long ago.

Knowing how good Debian is, I don't think this type of mishap will put
me off. I wonder what other people think about this CD set ??

I have secured another chance of putting Debian onto another PC's and I
hope I wouldn't mess up this time.


Cheers,

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Re: Mouse not working and delayed keyboad input

[Daniel J. Mashao]

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, David R. Kohel wrote:

> This may well be the problem I am experiencing: see my post on
> keyboard locking.  Now that you mention it, my mouse was 
> nonresponsive.  If anyone has a solution, I'd like to know, as 
> I'm still clueless.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> P.S.  If this is relevant, I set the mouse (a ps/2) to /dev/psaux.  
> Should this go to one of the /dev/ttyS*?
> 
No solution yet but I find it interesting that you are using a ps/2 mouse
because I have the same mouse. Perhaps this is something that has to do
with the /dev/psaux. It used to work before though until I tried updating
my Xserver.

I also have many other problems with pcmcia modem not working etc, but I
would like to have this fixed first.

~~~
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device access/makedev.cfg

[Paul Miller]

I want all the users in the floppy group to be able to mount floppies and
same for the cdrom group.  I tried using the ch* commands and they had no
effect.  Changing the 'user' flag in /etc/fstab allowed all users access.

Then when I was looking through the /etc directory I found a file called
'makedev.cfg' which has access specifications for many devices.  I
probably need to make new devices after changing this file right?  How do
I do it?

-Paul


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3c503 Network card: Shared Memory??

[Johnny Stevenson]

Hello,

I have a 3c503 Network card from 3Com which reports at boot time:

'REJUMPER FOR SHARED MEMORY'

I have read that this is what I should do for this card, but have no
idea of how to go about this, or even where to start looking.

Is there a Howto, or does someone out there know the answer.

Appreciate any help offered.

Thanks.
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Re: Debian-lite (Was Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence )

[jghasler]

Alec Clews writes:
> If this is already a work in progress please let me know.

You might want to look at the seul project (http://www.seul.org/).  They
are right now choosing between rpm and dpkg.  They seem to be heading in
the direction of a totally new distribution which IMHO is a poor idea.  If
they continue that way, I would be willing to help with Debian-Lite (let's
not call it that, though).

John Hasler
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hdb trouble

[John Maheu]

I noticed that I had a corrupted file and also found in
/var/log/messages(below)

Is this just a bad sector or worse. I rebooted and recreated the files and
everything is fine. I'm going to run e2fsck -c on the filesystem.

Should I do anything else to correct this?


Jul 30 21:49:39 macrae1 kernel: hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady
SeekComplete Error }
Jul 30 21:49:39 macrae1 kernel: hdb: dma_intr: error=0x40 {
UncorrectableError }, LBAse
ct=2301093, sector=2067202
Jul 30 21:49:39 macrae1 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:43, sector
2067202
Jul 30 21:49:40 macrae1 kernel: hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady
SeekComplete Error }
Jul 30 21:49:40 macrae1 kernel: hdb: dma_intr: error=0x40 {
UncorrectableError }, LBAse
ct=2301093, sector=2067204 

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Re: Q. about vic-ccam ...

[Richard G. Roberto]

On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Lawrence wrote:

> you must be root or member of group 'cqcam'
> 
> lawrence
> cqcam & vic-cqcam maintainer

I was.  The problem was that my lp port wasn't set up as
"enhanced" or "bi-directional".  I'm not sure what the
difference is, but there are three settings in my BIOS: AT,
ECP, and EPP. It only works with EPP.  I get video now.

Thanks

> 
> Richard G. Roberto wrote:
> > 
> > I can't get this to work.  My QuickCam works under windows,
> > but not linux.  I can't seem to get to www.crynwy.com to do
> > any research.  There aren't any failure symptoms, just no
> > picture.  I don't have a /dev/cqcamX device, nor can I make
> > one with MAKEDEV.  Anyone have this working?  What else
> > besides the vic-cqcam package is needed?  Do I need to
> > kernel module to run this?  Where do I get it?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > --
> > 
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Re: what's the better mta?

[Johnie Ingram]

"jghasler" == jghasler  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

jghasler> Perhaps someone who has gotten into sendmail could write a
jghasler> sendmail.cf generator?  I know about m4.  It helps, but not
jghasler> enough.

Actually this is precisely what Debian's "sendmailconfig" is supposed
to do, at least for the most common cases.  This is run during
installation, so ideally people can get sendmail going without having to
learn the m4 config language right away.


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Re: Host/nslookup, sendmail, bash

[Johnie Ingram]

"Craig" == Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Craig> the real nslookup is in the bind package. it should probably
Craig> be separated from that and either put into an nslookup package
Craig> or included in the dnsutils package.

This was just done earlier today for dnsutils 8.1.1-2, now in
Incoming.  It contains "nslookup", "dig", and "host", and can be
installed on any system which has libc6 (even if an older bind is
being used).


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psdatabase in /

[H.C.Lai]

Dose any one have any idea what this file does ??
Installing a new kernel image using make-kpkg updates this file,
but this file is not mention in the Kernel-Howto.
It doesn't seem to exist on Slackware machines ??

Cheers

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Re: Debian-lite (Was Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence )

[Lindsay Allen]

This seems to me to be worth while and yet be a very simple excercise if
you overlook the fact that we can argue until the cows come home about
what to include and exclude.

1)  Build a Debian system as desired.  (I built one this week with 30 Mb
/usr and I could do a lot better.)  
2)  Use  dpkg --get-selections > somefile  to get a record of what is
installed.
3)  Copy the required packages to a suitable area.
4)  If necessary, use dpkg --set-selections < somefile   to set up dpkg.
5)  Test by buiding another box with it.

Maintaining the package partial mirror will need a bit of thought.

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On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Alec Clews wrote:

> Sorry - This message is a duplicate
> 
> >wanting to do it with a Slackware type install.  I have this idea that there
> >could be a subset of Debian packages designed for a single user (home pc)
> >work station.  The user could choose this option in dselect and get that type
> >of installation.  Then it would be as simple as it is now to upgrade
> >packages.  Instead of making a personal Linux distro just create a Debian
> >subset.
> 
> 
> This sounds like a 'good idea'.  It would be nice to extract just the
> packages needed to make a mini Debian that can be squeezed on a CD with
> other stuff (see my email to debian-users about creating a CD for
> Magazines).
> 
> Is there enough interest in doing this?  I guess we need a mailing list
> and people with enough hard disk space and Debian experience to
> experiment. (I have none of this but I am happy to help anyway I can).
> 
> Let's be clever and call it Debian-lite :-).
> 
> Please email me if
> 
> 1) You are intrested in *using* such a (free) product.
> 2) You can help or have already done some work on this approach.
> 
> If this is already a work in progress please let me know.
> 
> If there is enough interest I will see about setting up an
> infrastructure.
> 
> Regards,
> Alec
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Re: We should help this guy...

[E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)]

>  
> Go ahead and download the msdos-i386 directory.  Lots of files, but 
> they're all small symlink files to the real ones.  Won't take too 
> long ...
> 

Really? my version of ftp follows the links and collects the files.

Eric

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My own fonts

[Nikita Imennov]

Hi, 
Is there any way I can get more X/Console fonts by making and-or
designing them myself?
My console vs. X ratio is 50/50 and X has more fonts, while console has
only about 50-tops ( and they are all either asian, or arabic (in other
words -- not for me =).  So, is there a font-sontruction package?

And also, I has read the book about setting up a font server ( the one on
7000th TCP/IP port) for X, but they had missed one important point --
what for is this x font server? Will there be more fonts? Will xlsfonts
'get' them quicker? 



Thank you,
Nikita.


 
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(Fwd) bash block problem

[Dean Carpenter]

This is a copy of a msg I sent to the bash-maintainers ID a couple of 
days ago.  Some additional information - I just got an email from 
CRON claiming the same error while running runq for smail.

 Hmmm...  Just got the following error on a Debian 1.3.1 
Linux standard install.  There's a perl process running in the 
background that's comparing thousands of files, and this is on a 4gig 
scsi drive.  Kernel is 2.0.30.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] images $ block on free list clobbered
Tell [EMAIL PROTECTED] to fix this someday.
Stopping myself...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] images $ 

It's version 2.0.3 of bash ...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] images $ dpkg -l bash
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
|
Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installe
d |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad) ||/ NameVersionDescription
+++-===-==-===
= ii  bash2.0-3  The GNU Bourne Again
SHell [EMAIL PROTECTED] images $ 

Anything special I should do ?  Is this a problem ?

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Re: We should help this guy...

[Dean Carpenter]

> >Not if you just burn the msdos-i386 directory :) It has names for all
> >the packages in 8.3 format.
> 
> Yeah, I thought of that too - *after* I had already downloaded the whole
> binary-i386 directory tree  
> 
> I decided against my two available options:
> 
> - download the whole msdos-i386 directory tree (via 33.6Kbps)
> - rename all the files in binary-i386 to their msdos equivalents
 
Go ahead and download the msdos-i386 directory.  Lots of files, but 
they're all small symlink files to the real ones.  Won't take too 
long ...


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Unidentified subject!

[Andrew Brigham]

> So, I would hate to see the continuation of a proprietary solution to 
> a particular problem by the free software development population of
> the general public.  It goes against nearly every basic part of the
> Linux/Unix/IP philosopy and in the end denies us functionality and
> choice.
>
> Again, I apologize for the speech.


You all seem to be missing the point. Have any of you tried ICQ in the
last little while? I recommend you try it before even bothering to suggest
such a clumsy and poorly written protocol like IRC. 

1. Easy to use.
2. Its a Swiss Army Knife for communications (meaning it does almost
everything as far as chatting goes)
3. Shows when friends are on. You don't have to worry about dynamic IP
addresses.


However, I also agree with the lines I quoted above. I don't believe in
proprietary solutions (They don't always fit my needs so its easier to
make changes when I have the source).

We have many standards which cover most of what ICQ does.   But we don't
have anyway to bind them together into a seemless communications tool that
allows us to communicate with each other regardless of IP number (nothing 
as smooth as ICQ, that is). Microsoft and Netscape have both built suites
that don't impress me compared to ICQ. 

ICQ is a good model of what I think the future brings in communications.
ICQ is a little slow, the company seems to have number of problems trying
to keep its system running. But it is still a good idea.  

As long as we continue to recognize good ideas... We will continue to
create better software.

I don't apologize for the speech.

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Re: Debian-lite

[Mario Olimpio de Menezes]

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Franck LE GALL - STAGIAIRE A FT.BD/CNET/DTD/PIH wrote:

>   Maybe It could have some restrain choices as with/without Xfree, 
> latex...

I think would be a not good idea to have a OS been installed
without graphics interface nowadays. The great appeal of the others OS is
exactly their nice interface and trying to convince somebody, mainly a
newbie, to change to a powerful OS, but w/o X is, at least, harder. 
XFree should be a default installation in Debian-Lite.

my R$0.02 (I'm in Brazil  :))

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Linus uses Red Hat?

[Technomancer]

While it may be important to a lot of people what distro Linus uses, I
think what is more striking to a lot of people (especially within the
US) is that NASA has used Debian twice now.  Consider that (and maybe
slip the words mars in there.. hehe.) and you get a lot of potential for
vectoring^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hadvocacy.

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Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[Shaya Potter]

On 30 Jul 1997, Ben Gertzfield wrote:

> I've been noticing quite in interesting trend, lately.
> 
> Seems most newbies to Linux, way back when, would use
> Slackware. 'cause that was the only thing available.
> 
> Nowadays, since you can buy Red Hat at Fry's, and Egghead, and every
> other electronics store in the US, it seems there are throbbing hordes
> of newbies running it. (At least that's what I've determined in
> comp.os.linux.misc :)
> 
> But! On the linux-kernel developers' list, most people are talking
> about Debian.
> 
> Perhaps Debian's becoming the developers' OS of choice, while Red Hat
> is replacing Slackware as the introduction to Linux.

I don't know how true that is about Debian.  Doesn't Linus, Ted T'so, and
a host of other prominent kernel developers use Red Hat.  I knowin talking
to David Taylor (one of the programers of quake, and the guy who did the
original port to Linux) of crack.com, they use Red Hat.  Actually their
building their next games, Golgotha, on Linux box's and plan for it to be
released simultanously for Win95 and Linux.

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Problems with Smail3.2

[Bruno O. M. Simoes]

Hi there

I have a problem with my smail . When it accesses a remote host whose 
has
in its MX entry an IP address, and not a full-qualified name, it return an
error message: "unknow host". It mean that smail does not recognize a mail
relay host by its IP number, instead by its host name. Do you know how can
I set it up to do this? Have you seem this problem before!?

Thanks a lot
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Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[Martin Schulze]

A. M. Varon writes:

> > Perhaps Debian's becoming the developers' OS of choice, while Red Hat
> > is replacing Slackware as the introduction to Linux.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> 
> Another thought what distribution is linus using?

RedHat and he seems to be quite happy with it.

Regards

Joey

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Re: Debian-lite (Was Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence )

[Franck LE GALL - STAGIAIRE A FT.BD/CNET/DTD/PIH]

Maybe It could have some restrain choices as with/without Xfree, 
latex...

-> >wanting to do it with a Slackware type install.  I have this idea that there
-> >could be a subset of Debian packages designed for a single user (home pc)
-> >work station.  The user could choose this option in dselect and get that 
type
-> >of installation.  Then it would be as simple as it is now to upgrade
-> >packages.  Instead of making a personal Linux distro just create a Debian
-> >subset.
-> 
-> 
-> This sounds like a 'good idea'.  It would be nice to extract just the
-> packages needed to make a mini Debian that can be squeezed on a CD with
-> other stuff (see my email to debian-users about creating a CD for
-> Magazines).
-> 
-> Is there enough interest in doing this?  I guess we need a mailing list
-> and people with enough hard disk space and Debian experience to
-> experiment. (I have none of this but I am happy to help anyway I can).


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Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[A. M. Varon]

On 30 Jul 1997, Ben Gertzfield wrote:

> Perhaps Debian's becoming the developers' OS of choice, while Red Hat
> is replacing Slackware as the introduction to Linux.
> 
> Thoughts?

Another thought what distribution is linus using?

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Re: Minimizing Mail Packages?

[Victor Torrico]

Victor Torrico wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> "Connected intermittantly to internet using PPP to an ISP who uses POP3 for 
> mail.  I am attempting to minimize the number of packages needed to run mail. 
>  It seems there are many mail packages but not a great deal of information on 
> their interrelationships."

Many thanks to Adrian, Buddha, Dima and Igor for their kind help. I
appreciate it.

Yes Igor, I turned off html in my outgoing mail.  Please advise if there
are still problems.

Found a POP3 X package which does everything that I need.  It's called
XCmail and is available from sunsite under the file name
XCmail-0.9-Linux-bin.tar.gz.  What I like is that it has all mail
functions in one package and does not need auxiliary packages.  It's
currently in beta but seems stable.

Regards,

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Re: audio files

[Anthony Fok]

On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Colin R. Telmer wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Jason Westervelt wrote:
> > There is a program that comes in RedHat called showaudio.  Does anyone
> > know where to snag this for Debian?  I can't figure out how to install a
> > RedHat package through Debian, and would prefer not to.  If I could just
> > find the source, that would be good enough.
> No showaudio that I know of under debian, but there is a playaudio that is
> part of the mime-support package. If you have that installed, you'll find
> it at /usr/lib/mime/playaudio. I have a symlink to it from /usr/local/bin
> so that I can use it without the absolute path. However, it is nothing
> like showaudio. It's just a simple script that cats a file to dev/audio
> and therefore doesn't do any conversion. You may want to look at the bplay
> package. Cheers.

Actually, there is a /usr/bin/showaudio.  It is in the metamail package.
Is that what you want?  :)  I wonder what exactly it is for though.  It
can play *.au files, but it seems it is intended to do more than that.
(It is a sh script).  Hope this helps.  :)  However, as Colin suggested,
you might like to look at bplay, sox etc. sound software.  :)
(For MPEG audio files, splay and mpg123 are great!  :)

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Debian-lite (Was Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence )

[Alec Clews]

Sorry - This message is a duplicate

>wanting to do it with a Slackware type install.  I have this idea that there
>could be a subset of Debian packages designed for a single user (home pc)
>work station.  The user could choose this option in dselect and get that type
>of installation.  Then it would be as simple as it is now to upgrade
>packages.  Instead of making a personal Linux distro just create a Debian
>subset.


This sounds like a 'good idea'.  It would be nice to extract just the
packages needed to make a mini Debian that can be squeezed on a CD with
other stuff (see my email to debian-users about creating a CD for
Magazines).

Is there enough interest in doing this?  I guess we need a mailing list
and people with enough hard disk space and Debian experience to
experiment. (I have none of this but I am happy to help anyway I can).

Let's be clever and call it Debian-lite :-).

Please email me if

1) You are intrested in *using* such a (free) product.
2) You can help or have already done some work on this approach.

If this is already a work in progress please let me know.

If there is enough interest I will see about setting up an
infrastructure.

Regards,
Alec
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[no subject]

[Alec Clews]

>wanting to do it with a Slackware type install.  I have this idea that there
>could be a subset of Debian packages designed for a single user (home pc)
>work station.  The user could choose this option in dselect and get that type
>of installation.  Then it would be as simple as it is now to upgrade
>packages.  Instead of making a personal Linux distro just create a Debian
>subset.


This sounds like a 'good idea'.  It would be nice to extract just the
packages needed to make a mini Debian that can be squeezed on a CD with
other stuff (see my email to debian-users about creating a CD for
Magazines).

Is there enough interest in doing this?  I guess we need a mailing list
and people with enough hard disk space and Debian experience to
experiment. (I have none of this but I am happy to help anyway I can).

Let's be clever and call it Debian-lite :-).

Please email me if

1) You are intrested in *using* such a (free) product.
2) You can help or have already done some work on this approach.

If this is already a work in progress please let me know.

If there is enough interest I will see about setting up an
infrastructure.

Regards,
Alec
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Re: metafont/dvips problem

[Anthony Fok]

Hello Oliver!  :)

On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Oliver Elphick wrote:

> I installed MusixTeX from sunsite and tried to print the documentation.

BTW, there is now a MusiXTeX package for Debian.  :)  Check out
musixtex_t.75-2.deb in the unstable distribution!  :)  (It is still
sitting in master.debian.org incoming though, but you might be able to
find  musixtex_t.75-1.deb or musixtex_t.74-1.deb in:

   ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/hamm/non-free/binary-i386/tex/

So, make sure you give that a try!  (Shameless plug here... I was
the one who packaged it...  )

> I get the following error, and the document does not print. (Something goes
> to the printer, but nothing actually gets printed.):
> 
>  $ dvips -A musixdoc.dvi
>  This is dvipsk 5.58f Copyright 1986, 1994 Radical Eye Software
>  ' TeX output 1997.07.25:0901' -> |lpr
>  dvips: Checksum mismatch in font

I get the same error here (I think), but that should be pretty harmless.
The Checksum mismatch error message happens with the mflogo font, which is
simply the font used to display the "METAFONT" logo.

BTW, I recommend that you modify the configuration of dvips.  Personally,
I find it much easier to use dvips to convert musixdoc.dvi to musixdoc.ps
and then use GV to preview the file before printing it.  Also, GV lets you
print selected pages (print all odd pages, print all even pages, etc.) so
you don't have to play with the options with dvips.  :)

> If I delete the pk file mentioned in the error message, the same thing
> continues to happen.  It also happens with xdvi, which shows:
> 
>  Checksum mismatch (dvi = 3369601584, pk = 4170477374) in font file  
>  /var/spool/texmf/pk/ljfour/public/mflogo/logo10.720pk
>  Note:  overstrike characters may be incorrect.
> 
> Can anyone tell me what is causing this error and how to cure it?

Hmm... can you see *anything* on your page?  Do you mean all you see is a
blank page?  Can you see the text?  Can you see the music notes?

I am using Debian's teTeX and MusiXTeX packages here, and everything
works well here.  :)

Anthony

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Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[Jason Ish]

> pass through dselect. One of my projects on my todo list is a subset of
> debian and some local stuff to make an sbay.org linux distribution for
> sbay.org that will install and work with a minimum number of choices given
> to the user.  Once it is installed, the user will be informed about debian
> and the additional software available for their system from debian.org.

This sounds like something I've been thinking about and heard other people 
talking about but wanting to do it with a Slackware type install.  I have this 
idea that there could be a subset of Debian packages designed for a single user 
(home pc) work station.  The user could choose this option in dselect and get 
that type of installation.  Then it would be as simple as it is now to upgrade 
packages.  Instead of making a personal Linux distro just create a Debian 
subset.

Just my 0.02 cents worth - instead of just lurking.

Jason
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Re: XServer prob. solved in Deb 1.3.1

[Ralph Winslow]

Daniel J. Mashao wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just want everyone to know that I have been able to solve most of my
> problems in 1.3.1 Xserver. It turns out the problem was that the new
> server defaults to accelaration mode on the Trident card. Just putting
> Option "noaccel" solved most of my problems.
> 
> The only remaining problem is that I cannot change display modes now. The
> monitor makes a funny sound and its shows some fuzzy lines if I try to get
> the 1024x768 video mode. I am stuck at 800x600 and 640x480. If, however, I
> start with the 1024x768 then I cannot get 800x600. This is not a big
> problem but like anything else I would like to get it solved.

I dream of someday getting 800x600 working again, and I have 2Mb on my
tgui9440agi.  I'll try the noaccel thing, but any other clues you could
share would be appreciated - deeply.
> 
> Otherwise I like my new Xserver and the fonts look great.
> -djm
> 
> ~~~
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Re: Compressed docs and man pages in Debian packages

[E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)]

> I just looked at the new packages in 1.3.1.  I tried to installing
> jdk1.1 and find out that all the documentation provided by Sun (API,
> demos) are compressed.
> 
> The same happens for other packages too.  The dvi files which are part
> of teTeX package are compressed too.  This makes reading of these
> files not easier.
> 
> On the other hand a lot of manpages (where all clients I know support
> compressed pages) are stored uncompressed.

I think this should by now be regarded as a bug.

> Why is the documentation treated this way?  Saving space is a good
> reason but IMHO compression is not well suited for html and dvi files.

Lynx reads gzipped html without problems.

> I would be forced to uncompress all these files to use it and there is
> no longer saved space.  Do not to forget the undermining of the
> package system, the uncompressed files would stay installed while
> removing the according packages.

If you just want to print the dvi files, you make a copy, uncompress
it, print it, and throw it away.  Otherwise you can write simple
scripts that do `autodecompression' for you.  E.g., for xdvi you could
use the following script called zxdvi (analogous to zcat, zless).

zxdvi:

#!/bin/sh

tmpname="/tmp/$1 unzipped"
gunzip -c $1 > "$tmpname"
xdvi "$tmpname"
rm "$tmpname"


Put this in your personal bin directory (or /local/bin) and you're set.

Eric Meijer

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Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[Franck LE GALL - STAGIAIRE A FT.BD/CNET/DTD/PIH]

I am using Linux (debian) for 6 month. I tried 1.1, 1.2 and now 1.3.
I choose Debian because a friend of mine told me it is the easiest 
distribution to upgrade. Since my friend knew debian a little bit than me
it was easier for me to install it. Now, I think this choice is very good.
Moreover, this newsgroup is very important.

However, the installation process could be made a little easier for
newbies, especially with the dselect program. Dselect is really powerfull
but we have to know how to handle with it. Maybe, at the end of the 
installation rather that dselect it could have simple choices for newbies.
For example it could have:

- Only base []
- Xwindow   [] 
- LateX [] ...


Maybe it could be a good idea to have a magazine publishing Debian CD.
I am in France and Debian is rather hard to get.

There is no installation book as they exist with red-hat and slackware. 
It could be interesting to write one exclusively for Debian (more complete than
How-to). In this case I would agree to help translating it from english to 
french.

Franck


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Re: Mouse not working and delayed keyboad input

[David R. Kohel]

This may well be the problem I am experiencing: see my post on
keyboard locking.  Now that you mention it, my mouse was 
nonresponsive.  If anyone has a solution, I'd like to know, as 
I'm still clueless.

Thanks,

P.S.  If this is relevant, I set the mouse (a ps/2) to /dev/psaux.  
Should this go to one of the /dev/ttyS*?

> 
> I now have a problem with my Debian 1.3.1 on the TI Extensa 575CD laptop.
> I have been struggling with setting up X (card: Cirrus CL-GD7543 chip). 
> 
> After loggin keyboard input works fine until I touch the mouse then the
> computer waits something like five minutes before I can type anything. The
> mouse use to work under X but now it does not. 
> 
> I have checked the bug reports but the suggestion of killing gpm does not
> work for me. Any help?
> 
> 
> ~~~
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Re: ICQ

[John F]

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Travis Cole wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> 
> 
> On 31-Jul-97 Christopher Jason Morrone wrote:
> >I'd like an app that will announce to a central server that I'm online (or
> >maybe distributed servers that communicate with each other for better
> >stability), and that my client can check to see if my friends are logged
> >in, where they're logged in, etc.
> >
<>
> >
> >In any event, there should be an RFC, and the source should be free.  And
> >if it isn't written soon ICQ will take over the world. :)
> >
> >
> 
> This is also exactly what I would like.  Just a way to find out when and where
> my freinds are logged in so I can send them a message they will see imediatly,
> and the ability to chat and possibly send files to them.  This would also have
> to be a multiplatform system.
> 
> I would love to have this as in a free and open form but now the only option I
> can see is ICQ or AOL's AIM and right now AIM is the only one working for more
> than Windows.
> 
> If I were a programer (which I am trying to learn, but not even close yet) I
> would try to get something like this started.  But alas I do not yet poses the
> technical skills necessary.  Possibly there is someone who does and is
> interested.
> 
> I really think something like this would happen and I have a lot of ideas 
> about
> it.  Please let me know if you wan't to talk more.

Could such a thing be based on how RIP works? ie participating
providers "broadcast" every 5 minutes idents of participating clients,
and this propagates to other participating servers.

I'm sure there would be a way of coding the information so that it 

1) has some sort of security
2) is conservative of bandwidth usage
3) protects the privacy of those who don't want to be involved

Such a scheme could also solve a major problem many face when it comes
to trying to track down the source of a security scare. This would
obviously have to be very tightly controlled.

Consider a set of servers that keep track of master databases of
participating users. Each email address would map to a code like

byte.byte.byte.255.byte.byte.byte.255

The first set of bytes would identify a network or a host, so it would
be from 1-4 bytes long. The second set would uniquely identify the
user (and would be of varying length according to the size of the
provider).

Now suppose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wants to know if [EMAIL PROTECTED] is logged
on. jim makes a request of his provider, which asks one of the masters
for the code relating to bob. the masters flag that when bob is online
it will tell the server at some.domain. When bob loggs in, the server
at there.com tells the masters that 123.234.23.255.123.234.12.6.255 is
online. When bob loggs off there.com tells the masters that
123.234.23.255.123.234.12.6.255 is offline. 

The server at some.domain knows that if the masters report that
123.234.23.255.123.234.12.6.255 it will tell jim. If jim loggs off the
masters will be told by the server at there.com that jim
(234.123.45.67.255.1.2.3.4.5.255) is offline, and it will cancel any
pending notification to jim that bob is online.

Multiple notifications could be pooled into a single IP packet, so 1
packet could contain say 70-80 messages.

The4 masters could update to each other the maps from user names to
codes every 30 minutes. Each providers server would be responsible for
their clients codes (shades of DNS). the providers could run message
packets every 5 minutes.

There would be all sorts of issues relating to who pays for what, but
if the end users are paying $1/month for the service, then it should
cover the data costs at the very least.

Your thoughts?

John Foster


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/etc/init.d/boot doesn't finish

[Garrett Jost]

Hello,

I just tried updating my Debian 1.3 system tonight by ftp.  I updated
with the stable and unstable releases on ftp.debian.org.  The last
time I updated my system was about 2 weeks ago.

The symptoms here are not too detailed because I can't reboot my system!
Here is what happened:

I used dselect to download some of the new files.  The ones that I remember
that were significant were ld.so and libreadline2.  After getting just a
portion of the way in installing the files, I noticed the install scripts
all aborting with errors and core dumps.  I also noticed that it started
somewhere around where libreadline2 installed.  I decided that I'd better
reboot before continuing.  But I couldn't even su to root (core dump), so
I just reset the machine.

Now, the system will start executing /etc/init.d/boot, fsck and mount my
root partition, and then just abort /etc/init.d/boot w/o an error and
jump right to init 2.  I checked the sym links to libreadline2, and they
seem fine. 

But now I can't even log into my system!  When I log in as root, it dis-
plays all the normal messages it would right before it would execute
bash, but then goes right back to the login prompt w/o errors.

Please, could someone help me with this problem?  I have no idea where
to go from here.  Hopefully, this will ring a bell with someone.

Thanks,
Garrett Jost


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Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[Jim Pick]

Travis Cole wrote:
> But one thing to consider is RedHat makes it a habit to give free CDs to many
> of the developers.  The author of fetchmail uses RedHat for just this reason. 
> I also think Linus uses RedHat.

Do you think he'd switch if we sent him a CD?  :-)

> It would be really cool if Debian had some way of doing this.  Possibly get 
> one
> of the CD vendors to be nice enough

Actually, Debian developers can get free CD's from both LSL and CheapBytes.
I haven't taken them up on the offer though...

Cheers,

 - Jim



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Re: questions on CD ROM

[Bob Nielsen]

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Pat Masterson wrote:

>  During the 1.3 install, I am asked for specifics about my creative
> labs CD. Mine runs off the soundblaster card entirely, so what do
> I anser to the IO port, and IRQ questions? Do I mention the blaster's
> IRQ number? And what driver module should I install for this guy; the
> generic CDROM or a specific one (or both?). Thanks. -Pat

I rid myself of the Creative CDROM before going to Debian, so am not sure
what the choices are for installation, but you want the sbpcd driver if
that is available.  Recent versions of Red Hat have all sorts of problems
when trying to install from one of these drives.  Apparently the response
is so slow that the module unloads before the drive is recognized.
Hopefully Debian will not do this!

After installation, I STRONGLY advise recompiling the kernel, after
editing /usr/src/linux/include/linux/sbpcd.h in accordance with the
comments at the beginning of that file.   When asked,
"Support non-SCSI/IDE/ATAPI CDROM drives (CONFIG_CD_NO_IDESCSI) [N/y/?]"
Answer 'y' and then answer 'y' or 'm' to: 
Matsushita/Panasonic/Creative, Longshine, TEAC CDROM support
(CONFIG_SBPCD) [N/y/m/?] 

I do NOT recommend loading support for this CDROM drive as a module with
kerneld.  Either use insmod or compile support into the kernel ('y'
instead of 'm' in the example above).

Editing sbpcd.h will bypass the probing which sometimes causes problems
with the Creative drives.  Good information on the address, etc., can be
found in that file as well.

BTW, I replaced mine with an ATAPI IDE drive and have not regretted doing
so.

Bob


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Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[George Bonser]

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Jim Pick wrote:

> Red Hat Software is a company, so they have to turn a profit.  That
> means they have to have a plan for what they do.  An agenda, if you
> will.  Part of their plan is to build an excellent distribution for
> newbies.


There are five kinds of users that will be installing a linux distribution
at any given time and their needs are different.  One thing that you need
to pay attention to is which group is predominant in installation for your
distribution at a particular point in time and then you taylor it to make
it is pleasant as possible for that group.  These kinds of installations
are:

1.  Experianced people upgrading from a previous version.
2.  Experianced people converting from another Linux distribution.
3.  Inexperianced people installing Linux for the very first time.
4.  People with experiance in other flavors of *nix installing Linux for
the first time.
5.  Experianced people installing on an additional system.

If you can determine what the breakdown of installations are, you can
gauge where to focus your energy in "cleaning up" the installation process
to impact the most number of users.  Newbies (catagory 3) are very
important because if they fail, they are likely to go back to their old
newsgroups and tell folks that they tried linux and it sucks.

I started with Slackware and then tried RedHat after about a year.  Their
cnews package sucked, UUCP sucked, and they did not even have nntpd.  I
tried Debian and it all worked "out of the box".  The problem with Debian
for a newbie is that there are SO MANY different programs to choose from.
Also, if you want to change something, it can be confusing (ever tried to
de-install smail and install exim as a newbie?).

Maybe Debian should make a "Debian-Lite" with a subset of the full
distribution ... a default news server (suggest cnews) default mail server
(suggest smail) that a user can install and have a full-featured, albeit
with limited choices, system.  THEN if they want to add/change things they
can go to the full distribution and play around and tweak.  

Most newbies get in trouble from installing TOO MUCH stuff on the first
pass through dselect. One of my projects on my todo list is a subset of
debian and some local stuff to make an sbay.org linux distribution for
sbay.org that will install and work with a minimum number of choices given
to the user.  Once it is installed, the user will be informed about debian
and the additional software available for their system from debian.org.



George Bonser
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Re: Backgrounding process

[Alex Romosan]

>I know that I can background a process the "&" but how do I keep the
>process running after I logoff? A good example would be compiling a kernel
>
nohup program &

do a man nohup for more information.

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Backgrounding process

[Syd Alsobrook]

Ok, so I've seen this question on here before but I forgot the answer.
I know that I can background a process the "&" but how do I keep the
process running after I logoff? A good example would be compiling a kernel
my mach takes about a hour to do this so when I telnet in I don't want to
stay logged and sometime my dial-up link dies.

Thanks

Syd

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Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[Travis Cole]

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On 31-Jul-97 Alex Yukhimets wrote:
>> I've been noticing quite in interesting trend, lately.
>> 
>> Seems most newbies to Linux, way back when, would use
>> Slackware. 'cause that was the only thing available.
>> 
>> Nowadays, since you can buy Red Hat at Fry's, and Egghead, and every
>> other electronics store in the US, it seems there are throbbing hordes
>> of newbies running it. (At least that's what I've determined in
>> comp.os.linux.misc :)
>> 
>> But! On the linux-kernel developers' list, most people are talking
>> about Debian.
>> 
>> Perhaps Debian's becoming the developers' OS of choice, while Red Hat
>> is replacing Slackware as the introduction to Linux.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>
>I'd love the intention of Debian to support its image as 
>"developer's OS of choice". 
>

But one thing to consider is RedHat makes it a habit to give free CDs to many
of the developers.  The author of fetchmail uses RedHat for just this reason. 
I also think Linus uses RedHat.

It would be really cool if Debian had some way of doing this.  Possibly get one
of the CD vendors to be nice enough

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Re: ICQ

[Travis Cole]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-


On 31-Jul-97 Christopher Jason Morrone wrote:
>On 30 Jul 1997, Stephen Witt wrote:
>[cut]
>> So, I would hate to see the continuation of a proprietary solution to 
>> a particular problem by the free software development population of
>> the general public.  It goes against nearly every basic part of the
>> Linux/Unix/IP philosopy and in the end denies us functionality and
>> choice.
>
>I pretty much agree with you.  However I also think that something like
>ICQ might be neat.  I'm thinking of an app with a nice little interface
>like ICQ's, but uses already well established IP tools.
>
>I, like many others, find it very difficult to tell when my friends are on
>line.  The University of Delaware has some X.500 thing installed, so noone
>can finger into the university and find out if you're logged in.  And even
>if they could, they might have to guess which computer you're
>on...although there are ways to make a finger daemon search multiple
>computers, I know, but more often than not people don't.  (Too much work
>on top of what they already have to do I suppose)
>
>I'd like an app that will announce to a central server that I'm online (or
>maybe distributed servers that communicate with each other for better
>stability), and that my client can check to see if my friends are logged
>in, where they're logged in, etc.
>
>Then it could fire up a talk client for you easily.  Personally, I think
>that ytalk is all I need.  Its excellent.  Might need to implement some
>kind of ability to accept talk requests built in to the client on MS and
>Macs and such...I don't know, I haven't thought this out too much yet.
>
>In any event, there should be an RFC, and the source should be free.  And
>if it isn't written soon ICQ will take over the world. :)
>
>

This is also exactly what I would like.  Just a way to find out when and where
my freinds are logged in so I can send them a message they will see imediatly,
and the ability to chat and possibly send files to them.  This would also have
to be a multiplatform system.

I would love to have this as in a free and open form but now the only option I
can see is ICQ or AOL's AIM and right now AIM is the only one working for more
than Windows.

If I were a programer (which I am trying to learn, but not even close yet) I
would try to get something like this started.  But alas I do not yet poses the
technical skills necessary.  Possibly there is someone who does and is
interested.

I really think something like this would happen and I have a lot of ideas about
it.  Please let me know if you wan't to talk more.



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Re: Unidentified subject!

[George Bonser]

enable background sending in the pine config.



On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> When using pine with diald, pine waits for the link
> to come up and the mail to go out before returning
> from a ^X (send) command.
> 
> Any tips.
> 
> rob
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Mouse not working and delayed keyboad input

[Daniel J. Mashao]

I now have a problem with my Debian 1.3.1 on the TI Extensa 575CD laptop.
I have been struggling with setting up X (card: Cirrus CL-GD7543 chip). 

After loggin keyboard input works fine until I touch the mouse then the
computer waits something like five minutes before I can type anything. The
mouse use to work under X but now it does not. 

I have checked the bug reports but the suggestion of killing gpm does not
work for me. Any help?


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Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[Jim Pick]

> Perhaps Debian's becoming the developers' OS of choice, while Red Hat
> is replacing Slackware as the introduction to Linux.

That's fine with me.  I started with Slackware, and moved to Debian.
I wouldn't recommend Slackware to a new user (unless it has changed)
- having a package management system is such a huge labour saver.

Over time, I think Debian will end up being more popular than Red Hat.
Why?  Because Red Hat will have only one company marketing it -- while
Debian will have several.

Red Hat is probably a better choice for a beginner right now, since it
is being marketed towards beginners.  That means Red Hat has put together
a decent 'retail' package with a CD, manual, and they are a bit more
organized (since they are a company, after all).

Red Hat Software is a company, so they have to turn a profit.  That
means they have to have a plan for what they do.  An agenda, if you
will.  Part of their plan is to build an excellent distribution for
newbies.

Debian, on the other hand, is a pretty loose organization.  I
think of it as an amorphous blob of software, bounded by the terms
of our new 'Debian Free Software Guidelines'.  The Debian project
doesn't have a particular direction defined.  What we do is really
the sum total of what the individual developers want to do.  In the
log run, that means Debian is going to be doing lots of things that
Red Hat isn't interested in.  Plus, we will have many more 
developers.  Because of this, I believe Debian is going to be the 
superior distribution, if it isn't already.  :-)

Cheers,

 - Jim




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[rir]

When using pine with diald, pine waits for the link
to come up and the mail to go out before returning
from a ^X (send) command.

Any tips.

rob
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Mail setup.

[rir]

On a little ethernet like so:

moola.ethernet
fin.ethernet
coin.ethernet = ppp.isp.net

With one POP mailbox on pop.isp.net and
nameservers in isp.net.

Using smail 3.2 and ppp/diald.

I'd like to have all mail leaving the ethernet
to be from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

rob
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Re: time

[Leia12780]

please stop mailing me stuff.  unsubscribe.  this is the THIRD time I've said
this.


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Re: hangup at start of installation!

[Lindsay Allen]

Phil,

I know that you have tried different floppies, but this problem is almost
always caused by a bad floppy.  Try some from a different source.  Find
another Linux box and verify what is on the rescue floppy against the
resc1440 file with md5sum.  I use :-
dd if=/dev/fd0 bs=8k | md5sum ; md5sum path/to/resc1440.bin

and I have never had trouble with a disk that passed that test.

Lindsay
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questions on CD ROM

[Pat Masterson]

 During the 1.3 install, I am asked for specifics about my creative
labs CD. Mine runs off the soundblaster card entirely, so what do
I anser to the IO port, and IRQ questions? Do I mention the blaster's
IRQ number? And what driver module should I install for this guy; the
generic CDROM or a specific one (or both?). Thanks. -Pat
 
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Re: Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[Alex Yukhimets]

> I've been noticing quite in interesting trend, lately.
> 
> Seems most newbies to Linux, way back when, would use
> Slackware. 'cause that was the only thing available.
> 
> Nowadays, since you can buy Red Hat at Fry's, and Egghead, and every
> other electronics store in the US, it seems there are throbbing hordes
> of newbies running it. (At least that's what I've determined in
> comp.os.linux.misc :)
> 
> But! On the linux-kernel developers' list, most people are talking
> about Debian.
> 
> Perhaps Debian's becoming the developers' OS of choice, while Red Hat
> is replacing Slackware as the introduction to Linux.
> 
> Thoughts?

I'd love the intention of Debian to support its image as 
"developer's OS of choice". 

Alex Y.

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Re: ICQ

[Christopher Jason Morrone]

On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Travis Cole wrote:
[cut]
> >What you really need to do is to encourage their programming team to
> >finish up the Java version of their program which would allow you to run
> >ICQ under Linux and every other platform available.  Just my thoughts.
> >
> 
> The thing about Java is that is s sl.  I would much rather have a
> native Linux version, but If java is all we get then that is good.  And I am
[cut]

I agree, java is much better than nothing.  However, I might debate with
you that java is so extremely so.  I used to think so too, because all I
was of java was stupid animations on web pages.  However, I have a friend
developing an app in java, and I'm quite impressed.  Well written java
code can work quite well.

With a little utility to keep tabs on your friends, after the initial
loading phase there wouldn't be much practical difference between java and
native.

I wouldn't want to run a java version of xemacs, but apps smaller than
that can run suprisingly well if WRITTEN well. :)


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Debian and Red Hat and Slackware prevalence

[Ben Gertzfield]

I've been noticing quite in interesting trend, lately.

Seems most newbies to Linux, way back when, would use
Slackware. 'cause that was the only thing available.

Nowadays, since you can buy Red Hat at Fry's, and Egghead, and every
other electronics store in the US, it seems there are throbbing hordes
of newbies running it. (At least that's what I've determined in
comp.os.linux.misc :)

But! On the linux-kernel developers' list, most people are talking
about Debian.

Perhaps Debian's becoming the developers' OS of choice, while Red Hat
is replacing Slackware as the introduction to Linux.

Thoughts?

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Re: ICQ

[Christopher Jason Morrone]

On 30 Jul 1997, Stephen Witt wrote:
[cut]
> So, I would hate to see the continuation of a proprietary solution to 
> a particular problem by the free software development population of
> the general public.  It goes against nearly every basic part of the
> Linux/Unix/IP philosopy and in the end denies us functionality and
> choice.

I pretty much agree with you.  However I also think that something like
ICQ might be neat.  I'm thinking of an app with a nice little interface
like ICQ's, but uses already well established IP tools.

I, like many others, find it very difficult to tell when my friends are on
line.  The University of Delaware has some X.500 thing installed, so noone
can finger into the university and find out if you're logged in.  And even
if they could, they might have to guess which computer you're
on...although there are ways to make a finger daemon search multiple
computers, I know, but more often than not people don't.  (Too much work
on top of what they already have to do I suppose)

I'd like an app that will announce to a central server that I'm online (or
maybe distributed servers that communicate with each other for better
stability), and that my client can check to see if my friends are logged
in, where they're logged in, etc.

Then it could fire up a talk client for you easily.  Personally, I think
that ytalk is all I need.  Its excellent.  Might need to implement some
kind of ability to accept talk requests built in to the client on MS and
Macs and such...I don't know, I haven't thought this out too much yet.

In any event, there should be an RFC, and the source should be free.  And
if it isn't written soon ICQ will take over the world. :)


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Keyboard lock

[David R. Kohel]

OK, after running Debian Linux for a week, my system developed 
the following bug.  After logging in from xdm, I can get in about 
five to twenty keystrokes before the keyboard locks and I can't 
even do a vulture nerve pinch to shut down.

My previous Slackware partition runs fine.  I don't have enough 
disk space to preserve both indefinitely, so I hope some Debian
users can suggest a cure.  


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hangup at start of installation!

[Phil Schniter]

help!

 i am installing debian 1.3.1 on a brand new pentium pro system
 and the install gets stuck at the first "please wait, the 
 installation program is determining the current state of your
 hardware..." window (just after the color/BW query).

 i have tried multiple rescue floppys as well as a bootable CD-ROM.
 in all cases, i get the same behavior.  note that the CD-ROM was
 used successfully to set up another system recently.

 i have played with various BIOS/SCSI settings but to no avail.  i have
 read the install.html guide in detail, and have installed/configured 
 a number of other debian systems.  i get no strange warnings as 
 the BIOS brings itself up and the SCSI devices check out.  the 
 kernel seems to decompress ok and everything. it just hangs up
 at the first debian "status check".

 some details about my system: (assembled by SAG) super P6DNF dual
 processor motherboard (only one processor slot used), adaptec 2940UW
 SCSI controller, 4G Seagate HD, SCSI CD-ROM, 1.44M floppy. 
 really nothing out of the ordinary. 

 please let me know if anyone has any ideas!

phil

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Re: FrontPage revisited

[Adam Shand]

>A while back I tried install the FrontPage 97 extensions for Linux/Apache
>and it was not a particularly successful attempt.  But I'd still find this
>very useful so i'm ready to try again.  Have rtr improved their support
>for Linux any?  Has anyone been successful in installing it on Debian?  If
>so posting a howto here would be much appreciated.

It took me near on three months from start to finish to get the extensions
working perfectly.  You can get them mostly working pretty easily... to get
it working completely is a bit harder and you will need Apache 1.2.1 and
suexec.

By the time I was finished I was so annoyed with it all that I put up a
page describing what I had done.  You can find the page at:
http://larry.earthlight.co.nz/frontpage.html

Another page well worth the time is:
http://frontpage.netnation.com/

Another thing to keep in mind is to avoid using the TOC (table of contents)
feature of Frontpage97 when designing web pages.  By avoid I mean "like the
plague", and I really mean it.

Adam.

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Re: ICQ

[Stephen Witt]

I apologize for this in advance for this is going to be a major
soapbox speech.

I think that programs like ICQ, that may or not have great functionality,
are inappropriate as a general solution to the problem (whatever it is)
unless the source or the protocol specification is freely made available.  
If a company wants to make a product and sell it, and people buy it, that's 
fine with me.  But that is a proprietary solution and it doesn't really
fit in with the whole philosophy of Linux, GNU software, the Internet 
(protocol development), etc.

I think that the development of the Internet protocol suite is a fabulous
achievement of mankind (I'm serious...) and the method by which it was 
accomplished is even more fantastic.  A lot of researchers (etc.), some
of which were funded by DARPA, built the protocol suite and particularly
the applications associated with IP, such as telnet, FTP, finger, etc., 
etc., in a open fashion.  What one needed to get an application/protocol
accepted was a specification (though some of these are pretty light) and
working source code that could be examined, tested, or modified by an
interested user community.  If the protocol/application had utility, it
was adopted by people and became a "standard" in the sense that it was
now important for OS suites to have an implementation of the protocol/
application because users needed it.  That's how most if not all of the
applications associated with the IP suite were originally developed.
Some had limited utility and didn't make the cut, so to speak, but it was
the user community that really made that decision.

Unix, because of its researchy like flavor, the availability of BSD
(and other) source code, and maybe a little because of
Sun Microsystems (who has given away a tremendouse amount of software
technology that is take for granted today, and no I don't work there) was
closely tied to the development of the IP suite.  But it only ran on 
expensive workstations and so wasn't really available to everyman/woman.
But now that Linux (and personal computers) are so capable, this whole 
philosophy is available to just about anybody, along with participation
in the development process.

I think it is the openess of the IP suite that has allowed computers
with ANY OS to have these "standard" applications implemented for them.
What OS doesn't have an FTP, telnet, web browser, etc.,etc. client/server
implemented for them?  The company I work for just spent a tremendous
amount of money changing our email system to Novell GroupWise.  Some
of us asked why the company would actually pay for a capability that
had free implementations that met all open standards that was available
for all OSs (in use anyway).  Our MIS people just looked at us like
we were crazy.  "Of course you must pay for software.  Who would ever
trust free or public domain software?"  Of course nearly all of our
MIS people are Microsoft/Novell desciples and don't have the Unix/Linux
experience of public software.  The thing that really irritated me was
that with this sort of monolithic application, I don't have the freedom
to use the mail user agent I want to use, I must use GroupWise.  That
is, I think, the beauty of the Unix philosophy, that well known (I almost
said specified) interfaces between applications allow one to hook 
applications together in a manner that is user specified, rather than
vendor specified.

So, I would hate to see the continuation of a proprietary solution to 
a particular problem by the free software development population of
the general public.  It goes against nearly every basic part of the
Linux/Unix/IP philosopy and in the end denies us functionality and
choice.

Again, I apologize for the speech.


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