Re: Repost (Re: lyx (was Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel))

[Karsten M. Self]

on Mon, May 21, 2001 at 02:20:52PM +1000, Matthew Dalton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Sorry about the last post... my fingers slipped on the 'send mail' kb
> shortcut. That's what I get for using Netscape messenger...
> 
> "Karsten M. Self" wrote:
> >   - What happened to Klyx?  The homepage is 404
> > http://www.lyx.org/~ettrich/klyx.html, and its parent suggest it
> > won't come back any time soon http://www.lyx.org/~ettrich/
> > (K'mon, people:
> > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html).
> > It's completly 404 in the Debian packaging system.
> 
> Luckily, Google is here to save the day:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:dc3d113b15c77caf:www.lyx.org/~ettrich/klyx.html+Klyx+ettrich&hl=en

That doesn't work for me.  I've found in the past that Google uses
distributed servers, on which content may vary.  Could you resubmit the
URL above resolving a numeric IP for your local Google server?

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Problems using IPMASQ with PPPOE

[Philip Bubel]

Title: Message



I am having problems 
using IPMASQ with PPPOE.  I'm running kernel 2.4.3 with the latest potato 
packages of IPMASQ and PPPOE, and the kernel is complied correctly (I 
think).  I am able to use PPPOE no problem, as the Linux box can connect to 
the internet, however none of the machines behind the firewall can.  IPMASQ 
also functions correctly as I was able to test masquerading on separate Ethernet 
segments and it worked without any problems.  What have I missed?  
Special configure to allow IPMASQ to deal with the PPPOE?  Any help would 
be great appreciated.
 
Philip Bubel

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Gimp 1.2 and perl scripts problems.

[Iain]

Hi,

This is the second time I have been burnt by the scripting API changing in 
Gimp. When I went from
Gimp 1.0 to 1.1 I had to change all my script-fu scripts. Now I can't get my 
old (1.1) perl scripts
working with Gimp 1.2. This sucks.

I have installed Debian packages for gimp1.2 gimp1.2-perl libgtk-perl, etc. I 
am running Debian
Unstable branch.

I want my scripts to appear under /Xtns/Web Page 
Themes/nicholsoncartoons

I can see my scripts in the DB browser but they don't appear in the menu.

My Menu line in register is as follows:

N_"/Xtns/Web Page Themes/nicholsoncartoons/Heading",

I have tried variations using examples from Tutorial pages, etc but nothing 
works. I have also
noticed that sample scripts in /usr/lib/gimp/1.2/plug-ins that use 
/Xtns don't appear, for
example the yinyang script. What is going on here?

Thanks, Iain.
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Re: Novice mail project

[Keith O'Connell]

Mark 

> Well, Debian ships with exim instead of sendmail as its out of the box
> mta. I've kept a link to a Linux Gazette article that you might find
> useful, if only to server as a springboard:
> 
> http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue43/stumpel.html

I'll start here and see how it goes - Thanks


Keith
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Re: Novice mail project

[ktb]

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 05:00:16AM +0100, Keith O'Connell wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I believe it was in this list within the last week or so that someone
> made the point that the best way to learn Linux was to have goals, or
> better still a project. To these ends I have set my self a project.
> 
> We have a PC each here. My wife and two daughters each run WinMe and I
> have Debian on these two in front of me. The machines all get out
> through a cable modem. I want to have one of the linux machines act as a
> collection point for all incoming email and have each client collect it
> from the local server. I want the four of us to be able to email each
> other with out it leaving the house
> 
> Am I right in thinking that I need something like "sendmail" and
> "procmail" on the server and any old mail client on the Windows/Linux
> machines in order to get this done? Do I need to be setting up any other
> software specifically to make this work?
> 
> I know something like sendmail is probably overkill, but the object her
> is education not ease of setup. Whilst this is likely a trivial task for
> most, it is a starting point for me

Exim is your default MTA but you might want to look into postfix.  It
has a good reputation for security.  fetchmail can be used to snag 
mail off your isp.  You will also need to set up a pop3
server or IMAP server.  I think in your situation pop3 would be more
convenient.  qpopper is an easy one to set up.  Set up the mail clients
on the windows boxes to point to your mail server.
You might also look into running an internal dns server for sending mail
between machines, internally.  Hope that gets you started.  You will
have more questions once you begin.
kent

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Re: Novice mail project

[Chris Spencer]

On Sunday 20 May 2001 22:00, Keith O'Connell wrote:

> Am I right in thinking that I need something like "sendmail" and
> "procmail" on the server and any old mail client on the Windows/Linux
> machines in order to get this done? Do I need to be setting up any other
> software specifically to make this work?

Actually, you need Fetchmail, Sendmail (or Postfix - I prefer Postfix), and a 
POP3 daemon like Qpopper.

Without getting ugly the config would go something like this:

1) Create users on your Linux server matching the usernames that your family 
uses on the ISP
2) Run Fetchmail as a daemon. This will snag the emails from the ISP's mail 
server and deliver it to your own server. Pretty easy to configure but you 
will need to find out what their passwords are on the ISP's mail server.
3) Configure Sendmail or Postfix with "relayhost" configured in the main.cf 
file. This accomplishes two things: First, it runs an SMTP server (which is 
handy for Fetchmail); Secondly, it will automatically forward all mail to the 
host specified in the "relayhost" line. Honestly, there isn't much more you 
will need to configure than this, except for mail aliases which are a breeze. 
See the man pages for more details.
4) Set up Qpopper (or some other POP3 daemon) so that your family can get 
their mail.
5) Re-configure your family's mail clients so that they point to your server.

All in all, less than an hours work. :)

-Chris

Repost (Re: lyx (was Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel))

[Matthew Dalton]

Sorry about the last post... my fingers slipped on the 'send mail' kb
shortcut. That's what I get for using Netscape messenger...

"Karsten M. Self" wrote:
>   - What happened to Klyx?  The homepage is 404
> http://www.lyx.org/~ettrich/klyx.html, and its parent suggest it
> won't come back any time soon http://www.lyx.org/~ettrich/
> (K'mon, people:
> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html).
> It's completly 404 in the Debian packaging system.

Luckily, Google is here to save the day:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:dc3d113b15c77caf:www.lyx.org/~ettrich/klyx.html+Klyx+ettrich&hl=en


Matthew

Re: lyx (was Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel)

[Matthew Dalton]

"Karsten M. Self" wrote:
>   - What happened to Klyx?  The homepage is 404
> http://www.lyx.org/~ettrich/klyx.html, and its parent suggest it
> won't come back any time soon http://www.lyx.org/~ettrich/
> (K'mon, people:
> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html).

Luckily, Google's here to save the day:

Re: Novice mail project

[John Griffiths]

>Am I right in thinking that I need something like "sendmail" and
>"procmail" on the server and any old mail client on the Windows/Linux
>machines in order to get this done? Do I need to be setting up any other
>software specifically to make this work?
>

I'm pretty sure u've already got exim running, might need to reconfigure it, 
thats a perfectly good MTA (for sending the mail)

then just add a user on the machine for each recipient and apt-get install 
qpopper

that will give you POP mail collection from the server...

if your mail goes to an ISP then you'll need fetchmail to bring it to the local 
host

that make sense?

Re: Novice mail project

[Mark Wagnon]

On 05/21/01 05:00:16 +0100, Keith O'Connell wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I believe it was in this list within the last week or so that someone
> made the point that the best way to learn Linux was to have goals, or
> better still a project. To these ends I have set my self a project.

I agree. I've made a list of things I want to accomplish. Now all I
have to do is do them. ;-)

> 
> We have a PC each here. My wife and two daughters each run WinMe and I
> have Debian on these two in front of me. The machines all get out
> through a cable modem. I want to have one of the linux machines act as a
> collection point for all incoming email and have each client collect it
> from the local server. I want the four of us to be able to email each
> other with out it leaving the house
> 
> Am I right in thinking that I need something like "sendmail" and
> "procmail" on the server and any old mail client on the Windows/Linux
> machines in order to get this done? Do I need to be setting up any other
> software specifically to make this work?
> 
> I know something like sendmail is probably overkill, but the object her
> is education not ease of setup. Whilst this is likely a trivial task for
> most, it is a starting point for me

Well, Debian ships with exim instead of sendmail as its out of the box
mta. I've kept a link to a Linux Gazette article that you might find
useful, if only to server as a springboard:

http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue43/stumpel.html

I hope that gets you going in the right direction.

Good luck!
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Re: cups and deskjet 840c

[Joel Mayes]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 09:26:06PM +0200, Mao's Br?derle wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 09:15:27PM +1000, Joel Mayes wrote:
> > On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 02:03:09PM +0200, Mao's Br?derle wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > > 
> > > Has anyone had any experience with cups and the deskjet 840c?! As I 
> > > understood from cups.org, this printer is supported, although "mostly".   
> > >   When I open "http://localhost:631/admin";, I get "this 
> > > file contains no data". The other sections of this interface are also 
> > > empty.
> > > The docs say that I can add a printer with the "lpadmin" command ( 
> > > unfortunately, this wasn't in the .deb package I downloaded.).
> > > My local user is in the "lpadmin" group and the printer does respond ( 
> > > usually...) to "lpr filename". It only prints the first line of the text, 
> > > though...
> > > Any tips?!
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > Eamon Roque
> > >   
> > I can't help with all the question but did you install cupsys-client, as 
> > well
> > as cupsys, I was looking for the lpstat and lpadim commands mentioned in the
> > manual to until I took a guess and installed cupsys-client, Voila
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Joel
> 
> well, I've got the lpadmin etc... Thanks!
> now I need to get the printer working...
> 


> 
> Eamon Roque
> 
G'day Eamon,

I got my deskjet to work using the localhost:631 setup stuff, if it's broken
in your install, try the version from Testing, it worked OK for me when you
add a printer one of the fields you prompted to fill is location, put the path
to the driver, for the deskjet it shoud be, /usr/share/cups/model/deskjet.ppd 
there and the rest should be a piece of cake


Cheers

Joel


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Novice mail project

[Keith O'Connell]

Hi,

I believe it was in this list within the last week or so that someone
made the point that the best way to learn Linux was to have goals, or
better still a project. To these ends I have set my self a project.

We have a PC each here. My wife and two daughters each run WinMe and I
have Debian on these two in front of me. The machines all get out
through a cable modem. I want to have one of the linux machines act as a
collection point for all incoming email and have each client collect it
from the local server. I want the four of us to be able to email each
other with out it leaving the house

Am I right in thinking that I need something like "sendmail" and
"procmail" on the server and any old mail client on the Windows/Linux
machines in order to get this done? Do I need to be setting up any other
software specifically to make this work?

I know something like sendmail is probably overkill, but the object her
is education not ease of setup. Whilst this is likely a trivial task for
most, it is a starting point for me

Keith
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lyx (was Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel)

[Karsten M. Self]

on Mon, May 21, 2001 at 12:42:01PM +1000, Joel Mayes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:35:50PM -0600, Cameron Matheson wrote:
> > On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:11:04PM -0400, Sean Morgan wrote:
> > > StarOffice, neither of these are as stable as Office on NT4.  The
> >   
> >   From my experience, that is *completely* untrue.  I have
> >   never had either of those office suites crash on me (although
> >   WP8 is kind of clunky), but stability is *not* an issue.
> > 
> > > stability of the filesystem is also a major question, you'd have to use
> > > ReiserFS on everything as ext2 is no replacemnet for NTFS.  
> > 
> > Why couldn't you use ext2?
> > 
> > _
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> > 
> 
> Has any one here used LyX, I got on to it a couple of months ago and 
> It is the best word procesor I have every used, and not to difficult
> to learn, as it's a "what you see is what is mean" procesor it
> would let the students concentrate on content rather than worrying
> about layout.

I've looked at it a few times.  Just tried it again.  A few issues.

  - What happened to Klyx?  The homepage is 404
http://www.lyx.org/~ettrich/klyx.html, and its parent suggest it
won't come back any time soon http://www.lyx.org/~ettrich/
(K'mon, people:
http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html).
It's completly 404 in the Debian packaging system.

  - Is there *any* way to modify the menu fonts in Lyx?  I far prefer
'fixed' in everything, have been gently clobbering Gtk, GNOME, and
KDE apps to fall into step.  Lyx is apparently not based on Xt, so X
resources aren't respected.

Hmmm...from Freshmeat, there's a download page with a klyx ftp site
including a DEB.  Interesting.

My inclination is to stick with emacs and sgmltools for LaTeX editing.
I haven't done much LaTeX, but this has worked quite well for DocBook
tasks.

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Re: ecoding

[ha shao]

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 10:19:34AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have my apache server to 1.3.19. Everything works fine before, however if
> a page contain traditional chinese or simplified charcter, IE doesnt load
> the correct ecoding, do u know what setting I have in apache?
> 
>  Every html files contain this header:
>  
> 

In /etc/apache/http.conf, set AddDefaultCharset to off.
And read related website.

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Re: Install: Need Help iso9660

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, May 20, 2001 at 09:23:30PM -0400, Mel Herndon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Karsten,
> 
> I tried insmod and it could not find the module. Is there a command line
> that I can use when I boot to the cd to force it to install(override)
> the selection option to make sure iso9660 gets installed? Again I state
> that there is no option given during installation for modules that list
> "iso9660"

Please quote sufficient context for identifying the problem and prior
suggestions.

Please reply to list mail on list.
List added to response.
Reply-to set to list.

I haven't done a Debian install in a few months, you might look for a
number of different things, including filesystem support, cdrom support,
"joliet" support (though I believe this is other than iso9660), etc.
These should be listed under 'fs'.  If your cdrom *device* itself isn't
detected -- you should see it in the system 'dmesg' output -- you'll
have to specify this as well.  This is generally not necessary for most
newish (3-4 years) CDROM devices.

You might also check contents of /proc/filesystems and /proc/modules.

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Re: Re. Two Problems

[Wayne Topa]

Subject: Re. Two Problems
Date: Sun, May 20, 2001 at 01:18:40PM -0700

In reply to:Sidney Brooks

Quoting Sidney Brooks([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I do have the package lpr.
> 
> I am sure that I do not have minicom nor lpd. I used two methods to verify 
> this, apt-get and reading the disks in Windows.

dpkg -S lpd
will show you that lpd is included in the lpr package.  It is started
by doing, as root, /etc/init.d/lpr (start|stop|restart|force-reload)

If you have used apt-cdrom to create an apt sources list, then
doing apt-cache search minicom will show you that the package
wasindeed, on one of the CD's.  Apt-cache install minicom will install
it.

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Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[Sean Morgan]

OK, the two messages previous posts kind of play off eachother so I'm
going to reply to them in one go.  First off ext2, it has a really bad
habit of losing files in hard crashes and power outages, this isn't a
problem for someone like you or I as we know how to recover them, for a
student with no root and no knowledge of how to do this, it's called a
couple of hours work down the tubes.  And second the office suites, the
first post says WP8 is crap, the second WP9, can we say inconsistant
performance?(StarOffice has never been stable for me in potato or sid,
though I still use it) The question when trying to evangelize a new
operating system is whether it can reproduce in most areas and excede in
at least one the performance of the old.  For somebody who can't
appreciate the fine points of kernel architecture, I don't think Linux
can do that at this point in time.

Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[Joel Mayes]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:35:50PM -0600, Cameron Matheson wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:11:04PM -0400, Sean Morgan wrote:
> > StarOffice, neither of these are as stable as Office on NT4.  The
>   
> From my experience, that is *completely* untrue.  I have
> never had either of those office suites crash on me (although
> WP8 is kind of clunky), but stability is *not* an issue.
> 
> > stability of the filesystem is also a major question, you'd have to use
> > ReiserFS on everything as ext2 is no replacemnet for NTFS.  
> 
> Why couldn't you use ext2?
> 
> _
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> 

Has any one here used LyX, I got on to it a couple of months ago and 
It is the best word procesor I have every used, and not to difficult
to learn, as it's a "what you see is what is mean" procesor it
would let the students concentrate on content rather than worrying
about layout.

Cheers

Joel

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Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[Cameron Matheson]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:11:04PM -0400, Sean Morgan wrote:
> StarOffice, neither of these are as stable as Office on NT4.  The
  
  From my experience, that is *completely* untrue.  I have
  never had either of those office suites crash on me (although
  WP8 is kind of clunky), but stability is *not* an issue.

> stability of the filesystem is also a major question, you'd have to use
> ReiserFS on everything as ext2 is no replacemnet for NTFS.  

Why couldn't you use ext2?

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ecoding

[Keneth]

Hi everybody,

I have my apache server to 1.3.19. Everything works fine before, however if
a page contain traditional chinese or simplified charcter, IE doesnt load
the correct ecoding, do u know what setting I have in apache?

 Every html files contain this header:
 

 I think I should have do something in the 3 config files: httpd.conf,
 srm.conf or access.conf. And I found a line called Addlanguage in srm.conf,
 should I do anything with this?

PIVO

Re: [users] Re: geldverschenker

[Jürgen A. Erhard]

> "Bob" == Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Bob> On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 07:55:49PM -0400, MaD dUCK wrote:
>> also sprach Kurt Stege (on Sat, 19 May 2001 06:20:13AM +0200):
>> > Nach der ganzen Diskussion, ob man würfeln soll oder auf jeden Fall
>> > antworten: Ich würde den Brief ohne Überlegung wegwerfen, wie jede
>> > andere uninteressante Werbung oder Spam auch. Und per E-Mail
>> > flattert mir jeden Tag sowas ins Haus...
>> 
>> guys, | leute
>> what are you doing to | was geht ab? diese ganzen
>> debian-users? these   | diskussionen haben doch mit
>> discussions are (a) in german | debian nichts am hals. was'n
>> and this is an english list,  | los??? bitte hoert auf, und
>> and (b) they have nothing to  | vor allem nicht deutsch sprechen
>> do with debian. please stop.  | kapisch?
>> okay?

Bob> I notice that there are several Debian groups in languages
Bob> other than english, aber es gibt kein debian-deutsch (which
Bob> is about as much german as I remember from my university days
Bob> 40 years ago).

There's no debian-deutsch, but there's debian-user-de... though
(alas?) not on lists.debian.org.  It's admin'd by Lehmann's Online
Buchhandlung, a german online/RL bookshop (in RL located in Berlin).

Don't have the address handy... but then again, I don't think you
yourself need it ;-)

Bye, J

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Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:11:04PM -0400, Sean Morgan wrote:

> . . . WordPerfect or StarOffice, neither of these are as stable as
> Office on NT4.

I've never had SO or WP8 crash on me since I set up this system. 
Granted, WP9 is incredibly unstable.

> The stability of the filesystem is also a major question, you'd
> have to use ReiserFS on everything as ext2 is no replacemnet for
> NTFS.

This is frankly silly.  ext2 couldn't be more stable -- literally,
something that never fails is pretty hard to improve on.

Now, if NTFS has features you want, that would be something else, but
it isn't what you said.
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Re: for i in *

[Viktor Rosenfeld]

John Hasler wrote:
> 
> Viktor Rosenfeld writes:
> > ...my suggestion of improved readability is also valid and therefore one
> > could argue that Spaces In Filenames(tm) is a Good Thing(tm).
> 
> > Now, how is that for a compromise, eh?  Damn, am I good.  Peace brothers,
> > peace!

> Nah.  Let's argue some more.  

Okay, here we go. ;-P

> If you can't name each file in a directory
> with an evocative single word you have not organized your data very well

*Actually*, I don't have a big problem finding an evocative [1] single
word for each file, however, it's not always me who chooses the file
name.  So, let's get geeky ...

find ~ -name "* *" -print

shows exactly four locations where I use spaces

1) Mail folders
2) MP3 file and directory names
3) KDE bookmarks
4) "legacy stuff" from my old Windows partition

To eliminate the spaces in 1) through 3) I'd either have to change the
name of the mail folder, MP3 name of KDE bookmark or the program would
have to have some logic of escaping the spaces.  Well, the latter would
simply be an butt-ugly hack and with regard to the former ... well, it's
called "Viktor Rosenfeld" and not "Viktor.Rosenfeld" or
"viktor-rosenfeld" or "vrosenfeld" or "rosenfeldv".  And I used to call
my MP3s like Air/Moon.Safari-Kelly.Watch.The.Stars.mp3, but I ditched
this scheme _very_ quickly.

With regard to number 4: Well, I was young and needed the money.

> (and no, you can't look at my home directory).

Oh man, I only now realized that your post was with tounge-in-check. 
[Is that how you say it?]

/me looking at the watch

Better go to bed now.

Cheers,
Viktor

PS: Almost forgot the foot notes
[1] Cool word.  :)  Had to look it up in the dictionary.
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WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/

Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[Sean Morgan]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 04:53:19PM +, joe golden wrote:
> I am trying to switch our small (12 machine) NT network over to Linux.  Some 
> of the main computer applications at our school are web browsing , word 
> processing and spreadsheets (MS Internet Explorer, Word and Excel).
> 
> I am running Linux debian 2.2.18pre21 and just updated last week.
> 
> Netscape makes a great replacement for Internet Explorer.
> 
> Abiword seems to work OK, but sometimes appears to split lines and I've had 
> problems importing an image into a document.  I haven't used Abiword much, 
> but have already seen these problems.  What is a better alternative that 
> isn't too bloated.  This is the major application we need for the school.
> 
> For spreadsheets in school, you need to make graphs.  Gnumeric seems slick, 
> but last time I checked, *no graphs*.  I need graphical representation of 
> data for test scores, etc.
> 
> Is Star Office the answer?  Can the huge Star office package be broken into 
> smaller more manageable parts?

I feel like total crap writing this (see my email addr), but do you
really want to do this?  This kind of stuff is one of the few areas
where NT really shines.  The best Linux can do in this area as far as
offering the same features as office suites would be WordPerfect or
StarOffice, neither of these are as stable as Office on NT4.  The
stability of the filesystem is also a major question, you'd have to use
ReiserFS on everything as ext2 is no replacemnet for NTFS.  Don't even 
start in on IE versus Netscape, Mozilla is better, but it will be less 
stable and will give more buggy renders.  If your goal here is to
evangelize Linux to non-techie types, the worst thing you can
do is portray it in a bad light.  The same thing happened to Macs in the
educational market and it's not a mistake you want to make.  I mean
c'mon, don't use Macs as web servers and don't use Linux boxen for
destkop publishing, to each tool its purpose.

Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 01:06:00PM -0700, D. Hoyem wrote:
> For Word Processing what about Word Perfect 8?  There
> is a Linux version and it is free, I'm not sure that
> it will work on Debian though.  Its a tar.gz file, not
> sure about the depends.

It will work on Debian, if you install packages from the oldlibs category.
For some reason Corel used X11R5 libraries. My wife is running xwp on her
Debian box. 

Mike

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good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be
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Install: iso9660 support (was Re: Help needed please)

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, May 20, 2001 at 05:50:16PM -0500, Mel Herndon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hello everyone. I have tried via IRC to get help from both #debian and 
> #linuxhelp, on several servers to no avail
> 
> I am installing Debian 2.1...the initial install goes fine. I reboot
> and then it runs the script to setup a connection, and then dselect to
> allow the packages to be installed. Here is what is happening though.
> 
> I tried using the program...it refused to recognize /dev/cdrom...ok I
> back out...and try to mount the cdrom..error message
> 
> mount: fs type iso9660 not supported by kernel. 
> 
> So I download kernel 2.4.4, only to find out after the fact the base
> install has not included "make"...I am back to square one. 
> 
> 
> During installation when selecting the modules to be added to the
> kernel there is not any listing for iso9660. I have tried manually
> forcing it to use the regular cdrom drivers(which is states is
> installed automatically)..
> 
> How can I force the boot install from cdrom to include the iso9660 so
> I can use dselect to install the packages? I don't have a fast
> connection or I would just download potato...that would take days at
> 28.8

Try to provide a meaningful subject line.

You should be prompted for any drivers you want to install during the
installation process.  At this point you should select iso9660 and any
other drivers necessary to access your CDROM.

It's possible you've already done this but failed to laod the driver:

$ insmod iso9660

...should take care of that, if it's already on your system.

Note that install over modem is pretty doable, though patience may be a
virtue.  I've crafted several systems on a 56k modem.  All but the
largest of packages are downloadable in a matter of minutes.  I'm
currently pulling down a couple of office suites and data analysis
programs ;-)

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Re: apt-get won't install package

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:05:36PM -0500, Timmy Douglas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> 
> (please CC me replys if possible)
> 
> root:~# apt-get install gnome-guile
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> 
> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
> that package should be filed.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
> 
> Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   gnome-guile: Depends: libguilegtk0 (= 1.0.1.cvs.19991112-2) but it
>   is not going to be installed
>Depends: libguilegtk0 (>= 1.0.1.cvs.19991112-2) but it
>is not going to be installed
> E: Sorry, broken packages

You can try --force-depends.

If that doesn't work, you can (manually) edit the package dependency
information, particularly if the version of libguilegtk0 is close to the
one specified in the dependency, either in the debian package (unpack,
edit, and repack it) or in /var/lib/dpkg/status.

If you do chose to edit deps, make backups first.

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Re: Best way to move to 2.4 kernel?

[mdevin]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 12:23:44PM -0700, Randolph S. Kahle wrote:
> I am running an ASUS P2B-DS based MB with dual Pentium III 500 and 512 Meg 
> RAM.
> 
> I switched from RedHat to Debian about two months ago (on this and all
> of my other machines). I have been very pleased with Debian (2.2r3).
> 
> It is becoming apparent that I should switch to the 2.4 kernel for
> better SMP support and it seems that things are stabilizing with the
> 2.4.5 release work.
> 
> My question to the group is this. Which Debian release should I use -
> Potato with modification for 2.4 or Woody? I want as stable a machine
> configuration as I can get while settling on the 2.4 kernel.
> 
> Guidance, suggestions, and comments appreciated!

I would suggest reading Adrian Bunk's page.  You just need to add a
couple of lines to your sources.list to include these files and then
you can apt-get install kernel-package kernel-source-2.4.4 iptables
etc.  And then just compile you new 2.4.4 kernel using the
kernel-package stuff (make-kpkg).  This allows you to still run potato
but with the extra stuff for 2.4 kernels already compiled for you in
.deb format.

There are links to Adrian Bunk's site on the Potato installation
instructions pages.  Or just do a google search for: Adrian Bunk debian

HTH
Mark.

Re: Abiword and ttf

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:59:46PM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 04:45:47PM +0200, Hans wrote:

Incidentally, I tried the trick of copying over files from my truetype
fonts directory, but found that the fonts were sorted in an arbitrary
order.  This might be related to use of reiserfs which uses hashes
rather than lists for directory entries, I'm not sure.

Thoughts?

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apt-get won't install package

[Timmy Douglas]

(please CC me replys if possible)

root:~# apt-get install gnome-guile
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  gnome-guile: Depends: libguilegtk0 (= 1.0.1.cvs.19991112-2) but it is not 
going to be installed
   Depends: libguilegtk0 (>= 1.0.1.cvs.19991112-2) but it is not 
going to be installed
E: Sorry, broken packages

Re: How to use debian lists

[mikepolniak]

Thomas H. George wrote:

> I have gotten some excellent answers to my questions and picked up
> useful information from other user's questions and answers but
> 
> I'm swamped!
> 
> Often I am away from my computer for several days and return to find
> 1,000+ messages.  It takes a long time to download and delete them much
> less scan them for interesting items.  I unsuvscribed for a while
> because of this and am thinking of doing so again.  What I'd like is a
> way of switching on and off depending on my need to ask a question and
> the time I have available to download and scan messages.

You might want to read the debian list in a news group like 
muc.lists.debian.user. I switched from  reading debian-user as a mailing 
list to a newsgroup . 

Reading from a news group is only a few hours behind  the mailing list, but 
you can still reply directly to the list and a good newsreader has all the 
threading and filters you need plus you wont see messages you've already 
marked as read. Works for me.

Re: for i in *

[John Hasler]

Viktor Rosenfeld writes:
> ...my suggestion of improved readability is also valid and therefore one
> could argue that Spaces In Filenames(tm) is a Good Thing(tm).

> Now, how is that for a compromise, eh?  Damn, am I good.  Peace brothers,
> peace!

Nah.  Let's argue some more.  If you can't name each file in a directory
with an evocative single word you have not organized your data very well
(and no, you can't look at my home directory).
-- 
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Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

Re: X, Matrox G450 and Matrox-Driver

[Alson van der Meulen]

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 12:41:13AM +0200, Joachim Trinkwitz wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> now I'm trying to get a Matrox Millenium G450 up and running under X
> (4.0.3). So far I have a more or less working solution with the
> framebuffer device, but it's far from being satisfactory.
> 
> When trying the mga driver, X complains:
> (WW) Warning, couldn't open module mga_hal
> (EE) MGA: Failed to load module "mga_hal"(module does not exist, 0)
> (EE) MGA(0): G450 support not available without Matrox HAL module
> and stops working.
> 
> I got two drivers at the Matrox website, mga_hal_drv.o and
> mga_drv.o. Both won't load with my kernel version (2.4.4) because of
> 'unresolved symbols' in the driver files. The instructions at the
> website didn't mention which kernel they used.
These aren't kernel modules, but X modules, should be putted in
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers...

then they should work great, at least they do for me
> 
> Matrox has a source distribution for the drivers, too, but this
> requires compiling X from the sources with the driver source copied
> in, so that is not a very pleasant alternative.
> 
> Has someone a solution or compiled the driver and is willing to share
> the binary?
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Re: for i in *

[Viktor Rosenfeld]

Aem,

D-Man wrote:

> | On Sun, 20 May 2001, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote:
> | > 
> And-I-have-yet-to-see-somebody-who-replaces-all-spaces-with-dashes-or-dots.
> 
> Check the archives for python-list@python.org (aka comp.lang.python).
> Tim Peters (and others) routinely close their posts with a long
> sentence using dashes instead of spaces.
> 
> :-)
> 
> its-not-like-My Documents-is-a-good-name-for-your-documents-ly yr's -D

Okay, I concede.  :)

What the "ly yr's -D" standing for.  Is -D a smiley?  Maybe, "laughing
big with eyes shut?"  Hmm, I would make that |-D or maybe >D.

Cheers,
Viktor
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WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/

Re: for i in *

[Viktor Rosenfeld]

Bruce Sass wrote:

> > But, this trouble is easily avoided with double quotes and on the flip
> > side, spaces make things much more readable.
> > IMeanIt'SNotLikeWeDon'tUseSpacesInNormalWriting.
> > And-I-have-yet-to-see-somebody-who-replaces-all-spaces-with-dashes-or-dots.
> > See.what.I.mean?
> 
> "I/don't/think/you/would write/text like/this"
> 
> Is it one path or three?  

Okay, it took me about five minutes and a dozen re-readings to figure
out, why it could be three paths and not two.  I would only see the
space between "would" and "write".  Well, I'm pretty stoned right now,
so please be patient with me.

Anyways, for me, I still read this as one path, but I admit that reading
this text in an e-mail is different to reading it in a script.  So, you
might have a point with the following:

> It may just be many years of not using
> spaces in filenames that has me seeing three paths, even though I've
> known for the same amount of time that filenames can contain spaces
> and the quotes would seem to indicate that it is one path... but I
> think it has more to do with our wetware naturally wanting to break
> things up into groups, and a blank space being a natural candidate to
> base a division on.
> 
> It could be an efficiency issue.

Okay, so what you're saying is that you prefer efficient parsing of a
script, while I prefer the aestheticy (sp?) provided by spaces. 
Obviously, there's a trade-off between the two, and we emphasize
different aspects.  So there are some points to the arguement that
Spaces In Filenames(tm) is a Bad Thing(tm), but my suggestion of
improved readability is also valid and therefore one could argue that
Spaces In Filenames(tm) is a Good Thing(tm).

Now, how is that for a compromise, eh?  Damn, am I good.  Peace
brothers, peace!
-- 
Viktor Rosenfeld
WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/

Re: Language

[Edward Craig]

Is English "the official language" (formally), or merely the most
widely accepted on Debian? 
Why not explore setting up non-English debian-user lists? It's not
the case that every Debian user reads English, and if it makes Debian
accessable to more users (whether German, Japanese, Russian, Urdu or...) I
suspect it'd be good for Debian.


On Sun, 20 May 2001, Stefano Canepa wrote:

> Hi all,
>   what is the official language of debian-user? I thought it was
> english. 
> 
>   Stefano
> 
> 

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/proc/bus/usb permissions in Linux 2.4.4 (OT?)

[David Steinberg]

Hi debian-user readers,

I'm not sure that this question is appropriate for debian-user, since it's
about Linux and not anything Debian-specific.  Still, I first sent it 
to the linux-usb-users mailing list, but that list is very low-traffic,
and I haven't heard anything back.  So, I thought I'd throw it out to the
wide and helpful audience of debian-user.

I recently purchased a Kodak DC 4800 digital camera, and have been
attempting to get it to work.

I was using Woody with Linux 2.2.18, but I kept getting the "device not
accepting new address (error=-110)" error.  So, I upgraded to 2.4.4, and
now the camera is properly recognized.

However, it seems to me that the devmode and devgid mount options for
usbdevfs, which worked fine with 2.2.18, no longer do anything.  I have
the following line in /etc/fstab:

usb  /proc/bus/usb  usbdevfs  devmode=0664,devgid=107  0  0

and I get no errors when mounting occurs; however, usb device files always
get created with the permissions of 0644 and gid 0.  For example:

-rw-r--r--1 root root18 May 19 13:20 /proc/bus/usb/001/004

The same thing happens when I mount manually, specifying the devmode and
devgid options with -o.  Is this a bug, or am I doing something
wrong?  Are others having success using usbdevfs with these options in
2.4.4?

Thanks for any answers you can provide.

--
David Steinberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Help needed please

[Mel Herndon]

Hello everyone. I have tried via IRC to get help from both 
#debian and #linuxhelp, on several servers to no avail
 
I am installing Debian 2.1...the initial install goes 
fine. I reboot and then it runs the script to setup a connection, and then 
dselect to allow the packages to be installed. Here is what is happening 
though.
 
I tried using the program...it refused to recognize 
/dev/cdrom...ok I back out...and try to mount the cdrom..error 
message
 
mount: fs type iso9660 not supported by kernel. 

 
So I download kernel 2.4.4, only to find out after the 
fact the base install has not included "make"...I am back to square one. 

 
 
During installation when selecting the modules to be added 
to the kernel there is not any listing for iso9660. I have tried manually 
forcing it to use the regular cdrom drivers(which is states is installed 
automatically)..
 
How can I force the boot install from cdrom to include the 
iso9660 so I can use dselect to install the packages? I don't have a fast 
connection or I would just download potato...that would take days at 
28.8
 
I need to get this up and happening since I want to use 
debian for my lab when I am ready to do the linux 101 cert..
 
Thanks,
Mel

X, Matrox G450 and Matrox-Driver

[Joachim Trinkwitz]

Hi all,

now I'm trying to get a Matrox Millenium G450 up and running under X
(4.0.3). So far I have a more or less working solution with the
framebuffer device, but it's far from being satisfactory.

When trying the mga driver, X complains:
(WW) Warning, couldn't open module mga_hal
(EE) MGA: Failed to load module "mga_hal"(module does not exist, 0)
(EE) MGA(0): G450 support not available without Matrox HAL module
and stops working.

I got two drivers at the Matrox website, mga_hal_drv.o and
mga_drv.o. Both won't load with my kernel version (2.4.4) because of
'unresolved symbols' in the driver files. The instructions at the
website didn't mention which kernel they used.

Matrox has a source distribution for the drivers, too, but this
requires compiling X from the sources with the driver source copied
in, so that is not a very pleasant alternative.

Has someone a solution or compiled the driver and is willing to share
the binary?

Hoping for help,
joachim

apt-get --print-uris in NoLocking mode

[Santi Béjar]

Hi *,

   I have a problem with apt-get.

   I try to get a list of all the .deb to be installed (with
   --print-uris), but I have to do it like root. I thought that if I add
a "-o Debug::NoLocking=yes" would make it possible to run it like
user. But I get this:

bash$ apt-get --print-uris -o Debug::NoLocking=yes upgrade
E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/
E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.

bash$ ls -la /var/cache/apt/
drwxr-xr-x3 root root 1024 May 19 01:26 ./
drwxr-xr-x7 root root 1024 Mar 22 00:19 ../
drwxr-xr-x3 root root18432 May 19 01:09 archives/
-rw-r-1 root root0 Feb 23 00:04 lock
-rw-r--r--1 root root  3114578 May 19 01:26 pkgcache.bin
-rw-r--r--1 root root  2967658 May 19 00:35 srcpkgcache.bin

And I thing that it must be possible to get. Can someone help me with
this?

Thank you.

Sant  
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Re: New ... please help

[Bud Rogers]

On Sunday 20 May 2001 17:39, mr matsui wrote:
> > From: "Vivek Dasmohapatra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 3. does Debian support USB mouse ... if yes ... how could i
> > configure it ... ? > I would appreciate any advice I can get 
>
> I've just done this, but I'm running 2.4.2, cant say if it will work with a
> debian kernel 2.2.19, give it a try !

I have a Logitech Trackman Marble USB on a Debian stable system with a  
2.2.19 kernel.  Works beautifully.

-- 
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All things in moderation.  And not too much moderation either.

Re: modprobe / modutils problems...

[vester]

 
> ii  modutils 2.4.6-3  Linux module utilities.
> :) in woody but i think 2.4.2 should be OK.

ooops... after apt-get update i downloaded version 2.4.6-3 too.
 
> Check outputs of:
> 
> #   depmod -av 
> (Have you ever done? On Debian it should be automatic but you may have a
> broken system)

output is a long list with all my modules in the respective
/lib/modules/2.4.4/... directories.

apart from that there are ALSO a lot of other modules that are, it seems,
searched for under /lib/modules/... (no kernel version number) and it always
says "failed" at the end of those lines.

> # modprobe -c 

this gives me an even longer list...at first it lists some paths:
path[toplevel]=/lib/modules/2.4.4
and then the paths to the various modules, HOWEVER they are all listed as
/lib/modules/_subdirectories_here ... that is to say, without the version
number again, or in other words, not where they actually are located...

after that there follow many aliases and options...

> # insmod -vn one_of_your_modules

again, this only works i use the whole path...so:

# insmod -vn /lib/modules/2.4.4/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.o
Using: /lib/modules/2.4.4/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.o
Symbol Version Prefix ''

# insmod -vn apm.o gives me: Can't locate module -- and that is precisely
what modprobe presents me with.

i suppose it is becaue of those wrong paths? but how can i put them right?
any ideas?

thanks a lot!

vester


> They should have paths to your kernel modules   
> 
> Mirek
> 
> 
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Re: Netscape and Flash

[Erik Steffl]

Timeboy wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> What can i do to use Netscape with a flash module? Is there any package
> in potato? Need this to read a for me important webpage.
> 
> I hafe also konqueror of kde installed. If Netscape can't support flash,
> do i need an other tool for konqueror?
> 
> Or what else i can do to use flash on debian?

  you can get flash for linux from macromedia, copy it over to
netscape's plugin directory (/usr/lib/netscape/477/netscape/plugins on
my system, there might be a better place though...)

erik

Re: New ... please help

[mr matsui]

> From: "Vivek Dasmohapatra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 3. does Debian support USB mouse ... if yes ... how could i
> configure it ... ? > I would appreciate any advice I can get 


I've just done this, but I'm running 2.4.2, cant say if it will work with a
debian kernel 2.2.19, give it a try !

Recompiling the kernel I selected,

Support for USB
Preliminary USB device filesystem
UHCI Intel PIIX4, VIA support,
USB Human Interface Device (HID) full support
USB mouse support
then recompile the kernel, make-kpkg kernel_image
Install the kernel dpkg -i 
edit /etc/fstab and add
none /proc/bus/usb usbdefs defaults 0 0
none /var/shm shm defaults 0 0
make the mouse in /dev ie
mkdir /dev/input
mknod /dev/input/mouse0 c 13 32
the edit /etc/X11/XF86Config "pointer section to point to /dev/input/mouse0
Reboot, and hopefull everything works.

Hope this is of some help

Derm.

Locales

[Petr \[Dingo\] Dvorak]

Hey list,

i'm looking for some way to display all 256 chars on the monitor, the closest
locale to that i could find was uk_UA .. is there any locale that can display
all the chars or any tool where i can create such a translation table ?

Thanks,
Dingo.


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Re: Suitability of USRobotics Message Modem ?

[Robert Waldner]

On Sun, 20 May 2001 22:39:22 BST, Darren Wyn Rees writes:
>Would some people give me an opinion on the US Robotics external
>56k Message Modem ?  Is it suitable for use with Linux.

Yes, it runs just fine, no tweaking necessary.

cheers,
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Netscape and Flash

[Timeboy]

Hi!

What can i do to use Netscape with a flash module? Is there any package
in potato? Need this to read a for me important webpage.

I hafe also konqueror of kde installed. If Netscape can't support flash,
do i need an other tool for konqueror?

Or what else i can do to use flash on debian?

THX

Timo

Re: pam_condev.so

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 12:36:02PM +0200, Mao's Brüderle wrote:
> PAM [dlerror: /lib/security/pam_condev.so : cannot open shared object 
> file: No such file or directory]
> 
> PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_condev.so

If you're using wdm as your desktop login manager then the problem you
see has been fixed in a more recent version and you're running a really
out of date unstable.  Upgrade wdm and it will go away.

If you're not running wdm, then remove any references to that module
from the files in /etc/pam.d.

noah

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Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[John Galt]

On Sun, 20 May 2001, D. Hoyem wrote:

>For Word Processing what about Word Perfect 8?  There
>is a Linux version and it is free, I'm not sure that
>it will work on Debian though.  Its a tar.gz file, not
>sure about the depends.

When they came out with Corel Linux, they made a .deb file for WP8.  It
was compiled against Slink, so there may be some breakage, but I've heard
they solved that when they came out with Corel Linux 1.2, which is closely
related to potato.

>--- joe golden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I am trying to switch our small (12 machine) NT
>> network over to Linux.  Some
>> of the main computer applications at our school are
>> web browsing , word
>> processing and spreadsheets (MS Internet Explorer,
>> Word and Excel).
>>
>> I am running Linux debian 2.2.18pre21 and just
>> updated last week.
>>
>> Netscape makes a great replacement for Internet
>> Explorer.
>>
>> Abiword seems to work OK, but sometimes appears to
>> split lines and I've had
>> problems importing an image into a document.  I
>> haven't used Abiword much,
>> but have already seen these problems.  What is a
>> better alternative that
>> isn't too bloated.  This is the major application we
>> need for the school.
>>
>> For spreadsheets in school, you need to make graphs.
>>  Gnumeric seems slick,
>> but last time I checked, *no graphs*.  I need
>> graphical representation of
>> data for test scores, etc.
>>
>> Is Star Office the answer?  Can the huge Star office
>> package be broken into
>> smaller more manageable parts?
>>
>> Thanks for previous help and thanks in advance,
>> Joe Golden,
>> The Stevens School of Peacham
>>
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Re: Language

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:17:11PM +0600, V.Suresh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Once upon a time, Stefano Canepa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> found a keyboard. And 
> typed:

> > what is the official language of debian-user? I thought it was english. 

> English of course, and the German &*)(&**^ thing has obviously
> frustrated you as well as many of the listers. Now it's fixed, and
> everybody is :-).  The moral is, when there is something in the line
> of spam, it's better to remain silent, and let the thing die down (it
> will, soon). Else, by commenting on it, we are just adding more to it.
> Eventually, it should die down. Look, even this mail has added to the
> traffic. Better keep shut, in such big lists. 

Slight difference of opinion.

Asking "is something wrong with the list" is marginally useful.

Trying to find out *what* is wrong with the list, and alerting the
appropriate people, can be quite helpful.

I shot for the latter.

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Packages to run kernel 2.4.x on potato (release 13)

[Adrian Bunk]

I have prepared the packages needed to run kernels up to 2.4.4 on a Debian
2.2r3 (potato) system. Please read [1] for more information.


Changes since the last release:

  + added: varmon
  + updated: modutils (2.4.2-1 -> 2.4.6-3)
  + fixed the problem that isdnutils shipped (empty)
/usr/share/doc directories of other packages


cu
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[1] http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/kernel-24.html


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Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, May 20, 2001 at 04:53:19PM +, joe golden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I am trying to switch our small (12 machine) NT network over to Linux.
> Some of the main computer applications at our school are web browsing,
> word processing and spreadsheets (MS Internet Explorer, Word and
> Excel).
> 
> I am running Linux debian 2.2.18pre21 and just updated last week.
> 
> Netscape makes a great replacement for Internet Explorer.

Mozilla, Galeon, or Konqueror, are better.  If free software isn't a
requirement, Opera.

> Abiword seems to work OK, but sometimes appears to split lines and
> I've had problems importing an image into a document.  I haven't used
> Abiword much, but have already seen these problems.  What is a better
> alternative that isn't too bloated.  This is the major application we
> need for the school.

Try a recent version of AbiWord.  I've been very pleased with this tool
from the get-go, it's been usable at most stages of development.  My
current 0.7 version is both pretty featre-complete and stable.

Alternatives:  StarOffice, that bloated stuck pig of an office suite,
(OK, so you know what I think about that), the OpenOffice replacement is
supposed to address some core concerns including the monolithic nature
of the app.  KOffice is interesting.  For lightweight work, there are
any number of equivalents to Notepad or Write.  I've got a version of WP
8/Linux rolling around somewhere, it's never particularly impressed me.
Lyx is yet another option, and introduces you to the world of LaTeX and
SGML markup, which is probably a good thing to consider.

> For spreadsheets in school, you need to make graphs.  Gnumeric seems
> slick, but last time I checked, *no graphs*.  I need graphical
> representation of data for test scores, etc.

'apt-cache search graph' returns 620 packages on my system.
Hmmm...'plotting' is a more useful search keyword. 

There are a number of tools aimed at producing graphs, most of them are
lower-level scientific applications.  gnumeric, r, sciplot1, among
others.

The Gnumeric project homepage provides a vague assurance that graphs
capabilities are under development:

http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnumeric/

> Is Star Office the answer?  Can the huge Star office package be broken
> into smaller more manageable parts?

The answer to that question is OpenOffice.  The interpretation of the
answer is not yet final.

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Suitability of USRobotics Message Modem ?

[Darren Wyn Rees]

Would some people give me an opinion on the US Robotics external
56k Message Modem ?  Is it suitable for use with Linux.

I've read a few Linux modem resource pages, but a lot of the stuff
is way above my head.

I haven't bought a new modem in a few years, and it's an investment.

I'd *appreciate* your comments on this subject.


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I'm fed up of waving my right hand" - rat salad www.ratsalad.co.uk

Display problem with 2.2r3 just installed

[Abner Gershon]

I have been attempting to install Potato 2.2r3 from
CD-ROMS onto my Dell 4100 pentium III with 32MB NVIDIA
GeForce2 video card and 8 year old CrystalScan 1572
monitor. Using apt-get I intended to install X-windows
packages with several window managers and gave best
guesses for my monitor maximum resolution and refresh
rates. Initial reboot found me in a command line
charcter based environment. On my second boot up the
screen shows only dots and dashes in black and white
in what looks like peices of characters. Do I need to
load specific drivers for the video card? Did I make
bad guesses at monitor values? If so is there a way to
correct this without reinitializing my partitions and
reinstalling from scratch?

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Re: error in newaliases

[Robert Waldner]

On Sun, 20 May 2001 22:04:19 +0200, Erik van der Meulen writes:
>I cannot seem to get sendmail running on my laptop. If I run
>sendmailconfig I get some errors. First thing that goes wrong seems to
>be newaliases. If I run that manually i get:
>
>  Cannot open hash database /etc/mail/aliases.db: Invalid argument
>  WARNING: cannot open alias database /etc/mail/aliases
>  Cannot create database for alias file /etc/mail/aliases

Let me guess, you´ve upgraded some libraries to unstable for whatever 
reason, haven´t you? libc6/libdb2 are broken in a _very_ interesting 
way...

I solved the same problem by installing

ii  libc6  2.2.2-4GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
ii  libc6-dev  2.2.2-4GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Hea
ii  libdb2 2.7.7-7The Berkeley database routines (run-time fil

after _much_ messing ´round and installing some- and each and 
everything in various versions...

If you need further assistance, drop me a line.

cheers,
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idetool

[Robin Gerard]

 hello,
 when I use idetool instead of df, which is runing fine,
I have got some errors messages.
I get errors as well if I do "man idetool" or "man gnome-utils"
I give you the error messages displayed on the screen in
two attached files.
Is there someone was experienced the same problem who
can give me some advices. 

TIA  
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unsupported sound format: 33
Audio device open for 44.1Khz, stereo, 16bit failed
Trying 44.1Khz, 8bit stereo.
unsupported playback rate: 44100
Audio device open for 44.1Khz, stereo, 8bit failed
Trying 22.05Khz, 8bit stereo.

Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkcontainer.c: line 715 (gtk_container_add):
assertion `widget->parent == NULL' failed.

Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkcontainer.c: line 715 (gtk_container_add): 
assertion `widget->parent == NULL' failed.

Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkcontainer.c: line 715 (gtk_container_add): 
assertion `widget->parent == NULL' failed.
man: impossible to open /usr/share/man/../../../bin/mkttfdir: any file or
directory of this type
man: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/mkttfdir.1.gz: symbolic link or
directive ROFF .so incorrect
man: impossible to open /usr/share/man/../../../bin/ftinfo: any file or
directory of this type
man: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/ftinfo.1.gz: symbolic link or directive ROFF 
.so incorrect
man: wrong access on the multiple key  cd   3tcl
man: the index cache /var/cache/man/index.bt is damadged

Re: Two Problems

[Stefan Srdic]

Sidney Brooks wrote:

> So far no luck.
>
> Neither lpd nor minicom is present on my official three disk set of Potato.
>
> I tried replacing ATZ with ATX3, they both dial and connect but never get
> on the internet.
>
> I have the same problem of not getting connected with gnome-ppp and kpp.
>
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Did you try to apt-get install them?

apt-get install lpd

apt-get install minicom

Anyway, I just ran magicfilterconfig and configured my printer about 5 minutes
ago. I ran into two problems, first my users never had permission to use lpd;
and second I never created the proper spool directory under /var/spool/lpd/

Try that and see if it helps :-D

Stef

Re. Two Problems

[Sidney Brooks]

I do have the package lpr.

I am sure that I do not have minicom nor lpd. I used two methods to verify 
this, apt-get and reading the disks in Windows.

Re: Web server

[Matthew Sackman]

Depends dramatically on what you want to do with it, how many
clients you've expecting to have and the general design of
your site.

If you arn't running much on that machine (no X) then you should
be able to get away with 64MB of RAM for even very popular sites.

However, if your site uses a lot of perl scripts (or other scripts)
and does a lot of server side parsing, or generates images 'on the
fly' or uses ASP or anything intensive then you will want to up the
RAM to 128MB. If your site is doing all of the above and is large
and very popular (say 1 hit every 20 seconds) and handles e-commerce
and uses some very large databases then you'll need more.

It depends!

Matthew

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 10:40:48PM +0530, N. Raghavendra wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> We are moving our web server to a new machine.  How much memory
> do people advise for a web server? Also I'd be happy to get
> information and pointers on security.
> 
> Many thanks,
> Raghavendra.
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Re: Abiword and ttf

[matlads]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 04:45:47PM +0200, Hans wrote:
> Could you please explain what aspects of xfs you had to tweak? I have xfs
> installed. --Hans

http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/FDU/

Martin
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Network printing HP 840C over Samba

[Matthew Sackman]

Hay all.

I've been setting up a linux gateway for a friend who has got a DSL connection
and three windows me boxes in a home network. Everything has gone smoothly
with Debian Woody and a freshly compiled 2.4.4 kernel and data transfer rates
have risen by three fold due to having a linux gateway instead of an Windows
ME gateway.

However, I've had horrible problems setting up network printing. I've got Samba
set up and that is working fine with various shares that I've set up. I've
finally managed to get CUPS set up with the HP 840C, Foomatic + cdj550 which
will print the test page and does so in colour (impressive indeed)!

But, I can not get any of the windows boxes to print to this printer. In my
samba smb.cnf file I have the following:
[global]
   printing = cups

And that's all in the global section. Then:
[printers]
   comment = All Printers
   browseable = no
   guest ok = true
   path = /tmp
   printable = yes
   public = yes
   writable = yes
   create mode = 0700

The cups is set up as a parallel printer URI parallel:/dev/lp0 and there is
no internal firewall. In /etc/printcap I have:
DeskJet:
which is the name of the printer as defined in cups. Now, all the windows boxes
say they can see this printer, but none print successfully to it. I've
downloaded and installed the latest drivers from the HP site and installed them.
Are there any special settings that I should know about? The hp site says that
these drivers arn't designed for network printing but the printer has worked
from a windows box server.

I am desperate here - I can not figure out why this isn't working. CUPS doesn't
even register that the windows clients are trying to send a print job to the
printer, and printing causes samba and cups to freeze on the server, requiring
a restart of those services.

I'm not particularly bothered about using CUPS - if someone has this printer 
(or similar) working successfully under LPRng (or equiv) then I'd be very
grateful to hear about it. I just really need this printer working.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer me.

Matthew

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Re: Best way to move to 2.4 kernel?

[David Steinberg]

On 20 May 2001, Randolph S. Kahle wrote:
> My question to the group is this. Which Debian release should I use -
> Potato with modification for 2.4 or Woody? I want as stable a machine
> configuration as I can get while settling on the 2.4 kernel.

I just upgraded from 2.2.18 to 2.4.4 a couple of days ago, and I'm running
Woody.  As expected, it was very smooth.  All of the packages that I
needed were already in place.  I'm not using devfs and I did build the
ipchains.o compatibility module, so I didn't need the iptables or devfsd
packages.

Unfortunately, I can't give you the alternate view (of doing it with
Potato).  Hopefully, someone else can.

Good luck!

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Re: Two Problems

[D-Man]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 01:00:34PM -0700, Sidney Brooks wrote:
| Neither lpd nor minicom is present on my official three disk set of Potato.

!?  Are you sure?  

http://packages.debian.org/stable/comm/minicom.html

For print spooling there is a choice:
http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/lpr.html
http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/lprng.html
http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/cupsys.html
http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/cupsys-bsd.html

-D

Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[D. Hoyem]

For Word Processing what about Word Perfect 8?  There
is a Linux version and it is free, I'm not sure that
it will work on Debian though.  Its a tar.gz file, not
sure about the depends.
--- joe golden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to switch our small (12 machine) NT
> network over to Linux.  Some 
> of the main computer applications at our school are
> web browsing , word 
> processing and spreadsheets (MS Internet Explorer,
> Word and Excel).
> 
> I am running Linux debian 2.2.18pre21 and just
> updated last week.
> 
> Netscape makes a great replacement for Internet
> Explorer.
> 
> Abiword seems to work OK, but sometimes appears to
> split lines and I've had 
> problems importing an image into a document.  I
> haven't used Abiword much, 
> but have already seen these problems.  What is a
> better alternative that 
> isn't too bloated.  This is the major application we
> need for the school.
> 
> For spreadsheets in school, you need to make graphs.
>  Gnumeric seems slick, 
> but last time I checked, *no graphs*.  I need
> graphical representation of 
> data for test scores, etc.
> 
> Is Star Office the answer?  Can the huge Star office
> package be broken into 
> smaller more manageable parts?
> 
> Thanks for previous help and thanks in advance,
> Joe Golden,
> The Stevens School of Peacham
>
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> http://explorer.msn.com
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Re: for i in *

[D-Man]

| On Sun, 20 May 2001, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote:
| > And-I-have-yet-to-see-somebody-who-replaces-all-spaces-with-dashes-or-dots.

Check the archives for python-list@python.org (aka comp.lang.python).
Tim Peters (and others) routinely close their posts with a long
sentence using dashes instead of spaces.

:-)

its-not-like-My Documents-is-a-good-name-for-your-documents-ly yr's -D

error in newaliases

[Erik van der Meulen]

I cannot seem to get sendmail running on my laptop. If I run
sendmailconfig I get some errors. First thing that goes wrong seems to
be newaliases. If I run that manually i get:

  Cannot open hash database /etc/mail/aliases.db: Invalid argument
  WARNING: cannot open alias database /etc/mail/aliases
  Cannot create database for alias file /etc/mail/aliases

Does not seen to have to do with permissions as far as I can see.

Any hints much appreciated!

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Re: Two Problems

[Sidney Brooks]

So far no luck.

Neither lpd nor minicom is present on my official three disk set of Potato.

I tried replacing ATZ with ATX3, they both dial and connect but never get 
on the internet.


I have the same problem of not getting connected with gnome-ppp and kpp.

Re: for i in *

[Bruce Sass]

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote:
> Martin Fluch wrote:
>
> > > Of course, some people argue, that spaces in filenames is a Bad
> > > Thing(tm), but I fail to see why.
> >
> > Could exactly this be the reason, why spaces in filenames are considered
> > as a bad thing, since they easily lead into trouble?
>
> But, this trouble is easily avoided with double quotes and on the flip
> side, spaces make things much more readable.
> IMeanIt'SNotLikeWeDon'tUseSpacesInNormalWriting.
> And-I-have-yet-to-see-somebody-who-replaces-all-spaces-with-dashes-or-dots.
> See.what.I.mean?

"I/don't/think/you/would write/text like/this"

Is it one path or three?  It may just be many years of not using
spaces in filenames that has me seeing three paths, even though I've
known for the same amount of time that filenames can contain spaces
and the quotes would seem to indicate that it is one path... but I
think it has more to do with our wetware naturally wanting to break
things up into groups, and a blank space being a natural candidate to
base a division on.

It could be an efficiency issue.

> Also, along with bash's tab completion or GUI file managers, spaces
> don't cause me any trouble.

Ya, computers don't care about efficiency or readability. ;)


- Bruce

Re: Best way to move to 2.4 kernel?

[Sven Hoexter]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 12:23:44PM -0700, Randolph S. Kahle wrote:
> I am running an ASUS P2B-DS based MB with dual Pentium III 500 and 512 Meg 
> RAM.
> 
> I switched from RedHat to Debian about two months ago (on this and all
> of my other machines). I have been very pleased with Debian (2.2r3).
> 
> It is becoming apparent that I should switch to the 2.4 kernel for
> better SMP support and it seems that things are stabilizing with the
> 2.4.5 release work.
> 
> My question to the group is this. Which Debian release should I use -
> Potato with modification for 2.4 or Woody? I want as stable a machine
> configuration as I can get while settling on the 2.4 kernel.
I compiled the needed packages by hand and let the rest of the system
"stable".
You can check what you need with a look at
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes when you've downloaded the 2.4.x
Sources.

Sven

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Subject: Re: woody hanging
> WRT subject.
> $ apt-get install viagra ;-)
[Karsten M. Self in debian-user]

Re: How to use debian lists

[D-Man]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 12:10:58PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
|   it is much easier to handle it when you thread the articles. some
| mailreader enable you to 'kill the thread' so you'll never see messages
| in threads that do not interest you. I've heard that this works really
| well in gnus. netscape has these features as well but I never got them
| working properly (threading works but kill thread does strange things).
| I think mutt can do the same as well even though I don't know how to
| kill threads in mutt (yet)...

In mutt press '^d'.  This doesn't delete future messages in the
thread, just the ones in the mailbox at the time the command was
pressed.  I've also found that it is easier to read messages when you
can follow a thread straight through, rather than reading many threads
at a time in the order people replied.

If you only want to get replies to messages you sent, mutt does this
very well also.  In your .muttrc put the following lines

set followup-to = yes  # this is set by default
lists debian-user@lists.debian.org

When you send a message to that address mutt will include your address
in the Mail-Followup-To header.  Then when people reply to the message
using the 'list-reply' command (L in mutt) the reply will be cc'd to
you.  That way you can get replies to your questions without getting
all the other messages.

-D

Best way to move to 2.4 kernel?

[S.]

I am running an ASUS P2B-DS based MB with dual Pentium III 500 and 512 Meg RAM.

I switched from RedHat to Debian about two months ago (on this and all
of my other machines). I have been very pleased with Debian (2.2r3).

It is becoming apparent that I should switch to the 2.4 kernel for
better SMP support and it seems that things are stabilizing with the
2.4.5 release work.

My question to the group is this. Which Debian release should I use -
Potato with modification for 2.4 or Woody? I want as stable a machine
configuration as I can get while settling on the 2.4 kernel.

Guidance, suggestions, and comments appreciated!

Thanks -- Randy 

how to recover damaged tar files?

[Erik Alvarez]

Hi, when trying to decompress a tar file I get this error. Can someone tell if 
there is a way to fix it or is the file lost?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ tar -ixvf backup.tar 
BACKUP/
BACKUP/Rik/
BACKUP/Rik/Rogelio.doc
tar: Skipping to next header
BACKUP/Rik/xp-50/5,svq
tar: Skipping to next header
tar: Archive contains `rik' where numeric mode_t value expected
tar: Archive contains `s' where numeric time_t value expected

tar: : Cannot open: No such file or directory
tar: Skipping to next header

tar: : Cannot open: No such file or directory
tar: Skipping to next header
tar: Archive contains `\311S}D\301\002' where numeric mode_t value expected
tar: Archive contains `\b\000\000\000\263\030' where numeric uid_t value 
expected
tar: Archive value 207545706796100 is out of gid_t range 0..4294967295
U5\335D
tar: U5\335D: Unknown file type '', extracted as normal file
tar: Skipping to next header
tar: 411 garbage bytes ignored at end of archive
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors

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Re: cups and deskjet 840c

[Erik Steffl]

Mao's Brüderle wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Has anyone had any experience with cups and the deskjet 840c?! As I 
> understood from cups.org, this printer is supported, although "mostly".   
>   When I open "http://localhost:631/admin";, I get "this file 
> contains no data". The other sections of this interface are also empty.

  that's because the cupsys package is broken. see bugs for cupsys (on
www.debian.org)

  btw why does cupsys have a lot of old unfixed bugs (at least some of
which are very easy to fix)? is it not maintained anymore?

erik

Re: HELP!!! Installing Debian

[Jan Enning]

Well I've got a 'solution' :-) The reason I didn't use any floppy is simple
because they are most of the time broken, old, etc...not very reliable.
But if you don't have any bandwidth, stick with the floppy :-)

I downloaded the complete Debian ISO and burned it on a CD, then bought a
crappy ATA 50X cd-rom drive for $30. The reason that I did this was that the
ATA drives are really plug and play AND bootable! I think on every pentium u
can boot with this kind of drive. Now I only plugged it to my OLD P133 and
ready to go!
No boot floppy's, corrupted files, missing sectors etc...
Before I used 'windoos 98' bootfloppy's to get CD-rom support and then
booted Debian from DOS. With the Crappy ATA drive  you're the king :)

I hope it helped u a bit :)
Good luck!
kleinejan

> Hello guys!

> I am new to Debian Linux. After downloading files from BASE-i386 and
> DISK-i386 directory, i've tried to install debian.  I typed INSTALL  and
> the install.bat file run. After loading some modules, I am stuck to the
> the following message:
> 
> Kernel Panic : VFS : Unable to mount root on FS on 01:00
> 
> What have I missed?  Please help!
> 
> Thanks and more power.
> 
> Arnold
> 
> 
> 



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Re: How to use debian lists

[Erik Steffl]

"Thomas H. George" wrote:
> 
> I have gotten some excellent answers to my questions and picked up
> useful information from other user's questions and answers but
> 
> I'm swamped!
> 
> Often I am away from my computer for several days and return to find
> 1,000+ messages.  It takes a long time to download and delete them much
> less scan them for interesting items.  I unsuvscribed for a while
> because of this and am thinking of doing so again.  What I'd like is a
> way of switching on and off depending on my need to ask a question and
> the time I have available to download and scan messages.

  it is much easier to handle it when you thread the articles. some
mailreader enable you to 'kill the thread' so you'll never see messages
in threads that do not interest you. I've heard that this works really
well in gnus. netscape has these features as well but I never got them
working properly (threading works but kill thread does strange things).
I think mutt can do the same as well even though I don't know how to
kill threads in mutt (yet)...

  that way you would have to go through much less messages (basically
only threads that are interesting to you and new threads)

erik

Re: My favorite German post

[Erik Steffl]

Kerstin Hoef-Emden wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, 19 May 2001, Erik Steffl wrote:
> 
> >   actually I think it's a combined english german message, it starts
> > with english then drifts into german, here's the same message divided
> > into english and german parts (using !):
> >
> >   Re: Outlook, die! Schweinepest des Internets
> 
> der (male), die (female), das (neutral) = the
> 
> The German word "die" (pronounced dee) has nothing to do with death.
> 
> So "Outlook, the swine-pest of the internet" was correct.

  the interpretation/translation above was a joke. I thought it was
obvious...

erik

Re: cups and deskjet 840c

[Mao's Brüderle]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 09:15:27PM +1000, Joel Mayes wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 02:03:09PM +0200, Mao's Br?derle wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > Has anyone had any experience with cups and the deskjet 840c?! As I 
> > understood from cups.org, this printer is supported, although "mostly". 
> > When I open "http://localhost:631/admin";, I get "this file 
> > contains no data". The other sections of this interface are also empty.
> > The docs say that I can add a printer with the "lpadmin" command ( 
> > unfortunately, this wasn't in the .deb package I downloaded.).
> > My local user is in the "lpadmin" group and the printer does respond ( 
> > usually...) to "lpr filename". It only prints the first line of the text, 
> > though...
> > Any tips?!
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Eamon Roque
> >   
> I can't help with all the question but did you install cupsys-client, as well
> as cupsys, I was looking for the lpstat and lpadim commands mentioned in the
> manual to until I took a guess and installed cupsys-client, Voila
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Joel

well, I've got the lpadmin etc... Thanks!
now I need to get the printer working...


Eamon Roque

Re: Two Problems

[D-Man]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 11:12:02AM -0700, Sidney Brooks wrote:

| 2) My second problem is one that my ISP administrator cannot solve.
| Until last summer, I could get onto the internet with any version of
| linux that I tried. Typical of what I get now is what I get with
| wvdial (same thing happens with RedHat):
|
| Connect
| Carrier detected. Waiting for prompt.
| PPP daemon has died
| pppd error.
| 
| My ISP administrator says that when he uses linux with his computer through 
| the modem that serves my area, he gets connected. He seems to want to blame 
| my computer. Since I have no trouble with Windows and even Beos worked when 
| I tried it, I cannot see how it can be my computer.

My suggestion would be to try minicom.  It is a modem dialer, but it
gives you a sort of interactive prompt.  That way you can see exactly
what your modem/ISP is responding with.  I used it to figure out the
exact sequence of send/reply pairs to use with chat.  It works quite
well.

Once you get the modem to dial properly and chat authenticates you,
you need to get pppd configured right.  I found through trial and
error what to use for PAP authentication options.

HTH,
-D

Two Problems

[Sidney Brooks]

I have just installed Potato and have two problems.
1) I have configured my printer with magicfilterconfig. When I try to 
print,as I did with an earlier version of Debian, e.g. pr /etc/printcap 
|lpr, it does not work. I get:

lpr:connect: Connection refused
jobs queued; but cannot start daemon

2) My second problem is one that my ISP administrator cannot solve. Until 
last summer, I could get onto the internet with any version of linux that I 
tried. Typical of what I get now is what I get with wvdial (same thing 
happens with RedHat):

Connect
Carrier detected. Waiting for prompt.
PPP daemon has died
pppd error.

My ISP administrator says that when he uses linux with his computer through 
the modem that serves my area, he gets connected. He seems to want to blame 
my computer. Since I have no trouble with Windows and even Beos worked when 
I tried it, I cannot see how it can be my computer.


Any help would be appreciated.

Fwd: Re: Configuring Networking - Newbie - solved

[Bob Underwood]

--  Forwarded Message  --
Subject: Re: Configuring Networking - Newbie - solved
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 11:52:43 -0400
From: Bob Underwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


this turned out to be a compatibility problem.  originally, i had cards using
the rtl8139 and tulip modules.  i replaced the tulip based card with another
rtl8139 and IT WORKS!!!

thanks to those who replied.

bob

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Bob Underwood wrote:
> this is my first time writing to the list, so i left out info in my 
> newbieness 
> 
> this is a new install, barebones 2.2r2 from cd (cheapbytes) with dist-upgrade
> to the current stable dist, and security updates.
> 
> ip masquerading is enabled in the kernel and ipmasq is installed with the
> default scripts.  any help appreciated.
> 
> thanks again
> 
> bob
> 
> 
> On Fri, 18 May 2001, mgk wrote:
> > I've seen this discussed previously, can't find the solution though.
> > 
> > The external connection works fine, I can't access the local network from my
> > gateway box though.
> > 
> > The routing table looks like this:
> > 
> > DestinationGatewayGenmask Flags  Metric Ref Use  Iface
> > xx.xx.xxx.x 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.128   U 0   00 
> > eth0
> > 192.168.1.0   0.0.0.0   255.255.255.0   U 0   00   
> > eth1
> > 0.0.0.0 65.14.207.1  0.0.0.0  UG  0   0 
> > 0  eth0
> > 
> > 
> > /etc/network/interfaces
> > 
> > (parenthethical material omitted)
> > iface lo inet loopback
> > 
> > iface eth0 inet static
> > hostname cxxx-x
> > address xx.xx.xxx.xx
> > netmask 255.255.255.128
> > network 65.14.207.0
> > broadcast 65.14.207.127
> > gateway 65.14.207.1
> > 
> > iface eth1 inet static
> > hostname mammyyokum
> > address 192.168.1.3
> > netmask 255.255.255.0
> > network192.168.1.0
> > broadcast 192.168.1.255
> > up /sbin/ifconfig eth1 promisc
> > 
> > /etc/resolv.conf is:
> > 
> > search hmpt1.va.home.com
> > nameserver xx.xx.xx.xx
> > nameserver xx.xx.xx.xx
> > 
> > /etc/hosts
> > 
> > 127.0.0.1   localhost
> > 192.168.1.3 mammyyokum.siliconhollow.orgmammyyokum
> > 192.168.1.4 pappyyokum.siliconhollow.orgpappyyokum
> > 492.168.1.5 crunchwolf.siliconhollow.orgcrunchwolf
> > 
> > 
> > /etc/networks
> > localnet 65.14.207.0
> > 
> > 
> > i can ping mammyyokum, both by name and by ip; i can ping localhost, i 
> > cannot
> > ping either pappyyokum or crunchwolf by name or number.
> > 
> > any help would be appreciated.  thanks
> > 
> > bob underwood
> > 
> > 
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Re: Multi-platform software development

[George Dancheff]

http://gcc.gnu.org

--- Karl Philipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> >I'm in the need of developing a multi-platform
> system.
> >Can anyone give me a hint of which tool's
> (libraries) to use? I'd like to
> >develop applications for linux(es), unix(es) and
> windows.
> >I'm even about to pay a little amount of money for
> it.
> >
> >Oh, I'm talking about GUI objects ( I think C++
> written objects are 'a
> >must') and libraries.
> 
> Another idea:
> Take a look at
> 
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> 
> and VERY IMPORTANT
> 
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> 
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> 
>   Karl
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Re: My favorite German post

[Philipp Lehman]

On Sat, 19 May 2001, John Willey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I think I learned something from the recent German crossover on this 
>list.  This message was especially useful:
>
>Re: Outlook, die Schweinepest des Internets
>
>My German is terrible/nonexistent, but I like to think that this translates as:
>
>"Outlook, the swine-pest of the Internet"
>
>Still true, even if it isn't, ya know?

It's true in every sense of the word.

-- 
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Re: Language

[Viktor Rosenfeld]

Hello,

"V.Suresh" wrote:
> 
>   English of course, and the German &*)(&**^ thing has obviously
>   frustrated you as well as many of the listers. Now it's fixed, and
>   everybody is :-).  The moral is, when there is something in the line
>   of spam, it's better to remain silent, and let the thing die down
>   (it will, soon). Else, by commenting on it, we are just adding more
>   to it. Eventually, it should die down. Look, even this mail has added
>   to the traffic. Better keep shut, in such big lists.

I'm sorry, but this is total nonsense.  First of all, if somebody had
not contacted the admin at thur.de, we would still be swamped with
German mails.  Secondly, this wasn't spam or in the "line of spam."  And
as a third point, are you saying, that it's better to keep the mouth
shut when harm is being done or am I just overly sensitive?  If the
latter, I apologize, if the former, then you have some serious problems.

Cheers,
Viktor
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Re: [users] Re: opera

[Forrest English]

On 21 May 2001 01:14:59 +0800, csj whispered to the router:

!! Maybe you should just follow the Debian motto. When in doubt,
recompile.

i thought that was slackware's motto

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system, but too early to start shooting the bastards" 
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Web server

[N. Raghavendra]

Hi,

We are moving our web server to a new machine.  How much memory
do people advise for a web server? Also I'd be happy to get
information and pointers on security.

Many thanks,
Raghavendra.

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List broken?

[csj]

Is it just me? I have been receiving an inordinate amount of German
language mail.

Re: [users] Re: opera

[csj]

On 19 May 2001 13:20:04 -0400, MaD dUCK wrote:
> also sprach Stephen E. Hargrove (on Fri, 18 May 2001 07:03:42PM -0500):
> > i'm running woody and have it installed:
> 
> that's probably the problem - since i am running woody on one machine
> where it works, and potato on the one where it doesn't.

Maybe you should just follow the Debian motto. When in doubt, recompile.

 

Re: Newbie question - Java install

[V.Suresh]

 I have copied the Contents-i386 file into my root dir, have uncompressed
 it. Hence, whenever I want to find which package a specific file belongs
 to, I just do
 grep  Contents-i386. 
  That will show all packages that contain that file. Hope this helps.


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>
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>
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Re: Language

[V.Suresh]

  English of course, and the German &*)(&**^ thing has obviously 
  frustrated you as well as many of the listers. Now it's fixed, and 
  everybody is :-).  The moral is, when there is something in the line
  of spam, it's better to remain silent, and let the thing die down
  (it will, soon). Else, by commenting on it, we are just adding more
  to it. Eventually, it should die down. Look, even this mail has added
  to the traffic. Better keep shut, in such big lists. 

Once upon a time, Stefano Canepa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> found a keyboard. And 
typed:
>Hi all,
>   what is the official language of debian-user? I thought it was
>english. 
>
>   Stefano
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>
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Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[Forrest English]

i think star office is going to be your best bet as far as word
proccessing and graphing goes.  though, koffice might work, i havn't used
it in a long time, and it seemd nice enough then, so it might work for
you now.

might want to think of using one of the newer mozilla builds.  they're
fast enough to use all the time.

deb http://pandora.debian.org/~robot101/mozilla ./

adding that to your apt sources will get a fairly recent version.

On Sun, 20 May 2001 16:53:19 , joe golden whispered to the router:

!!I am trying to switch our small (12 machine) NT network over to Linux. 
Some 
!! of the main computer applications at our school are web browsing ,
word 
!! processing and spreadsheets (MS Internet Explorer, Word and Excel).
!! 
!! I am running Linux debian 2.2.18pre21 and just updated last week.
!! 
!! Netscape makes a great replacement for Internet Explorer.
!! 
!! Abiword seems to work OK, but sometimes appears to split lines and
I've had 
!! problems importing an image into a document.  I haven't used Abiword
much, 
!! but have already seen these problems.  What is a better alternative
that 
!! isn't too bloated.  This is the major application we need for the
school.
!! 
!! For spreadsheets in school, you need to make graphs.  Gnumeric seems
slick, 
!! but last time I checked, *no graphs*.  I need graphical representation
of 
!! data for test scores, etc.
!! 
!! Is Star Office the answer?  Can the huge Star office package be broken
into 
!! smaller more manageable parts?
!! 
!! Thanks for previous help and thanks in advance,
!! Joe Golden,
!! The Stevens School of Peacham
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!! 
!! 

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Re: small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[Cameron Matheson]

Hey,

I personally like Mozilla a lot better than Netscape, and if you're looking
for something w/ quick load times, use galeon.  It uses the gecko rendering
engine, and it has a pretty slick interface.

StarOffice probably would be the best solution for your office replacement.
It also has a browser that you could use, i don't really like it, but I guess
it might be ok

Cameron Matheson


On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 04:53:19PM +, joe golden wrote:
> I am trying to switch our small (12 machine) NT network over to Linux.  Some 
> of the main computer applications at our school are web browsing , word 
> processing and spreadsheets (MS Internet Explorer, Word and Excel).
> 
> I am running Linux debian 2.2.18pre21 and just updated last week.
> 
> Netscape makes a great replacement for Internet Explorer.
> 
> Abiword seems to work OK, but sometimes appears to split lines and I've had 
> problems importing an image into a document.  I haven't used Abiword much, 
> but have already seen these problems.  What is a better alternative that 
> isn't too bloated.  This is the major application we need for the school.
> 
> For spreadsheets in school, you need to make graphs.  Gnumeric seems slick, 
> but last time I checked, *no graphs*.  I need graphical representation of 
> data for test scores, etc.
> 
> Is Star Office the answer?  Can the huge Star office package be broken into 
> smaller more manageable parts?
> 
> Thanks for previous help and thanks in advance,
> Joe Golden,
> The Stevens School of Peacham
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Re: for i in *

[Viktor Rosenfeld]

Martin Fluch wrote:

> > Of course, some people argue, that spaces in filenames is a Bad
> > Thing(tm), but I fail to see why.
> 
> Could exactly this be the reason, why spaces in filenames are considered
> as a bad thing, since they easily lead into trouble?

But, this trouble is easily avoided with double quotes and on the flip
side, spaces make things much more readable. 
IMeanIt'SNotLikeWeDon'tUseSpacesInNormalWriting. 
And-I-have-yet-to-see-somebody-who-replaces-all-spaces-with-dashes-or-dots. 
See.what.I.mean?

Also, along with bash's tab completion or GUI file managers, spaces
don't cause me any trouble.

Viktor
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small school: replacements for MS Word and Excel

[joe golden]

I am trying to switch our small (12 machine) NT network over to Linux.  Some 
of the main computer applications at our school are web browsing , word 
processing and spreadsheets (MS Internet Explorer, Word and Excel).


I am running Linux debian 2.2.18pre21 and just updated last week.

Netscape makes a great replacement for Internet Explorer.

Abiword seems to work OK, but sometimes appears to split lines and I've had 
problems importing an image into a document.  I haven't used Abiword much, 
but have already seen these problems.  What is a better alternative that 
isn't too bloated.  This is the major application we need for the school.


For spreadsheets in school, you need to make graphs.  Gnumeric seems slick, 
but last time I checked, *no graphs*.  I need graphical representation of 
data for test scores, etc.


Is Star Office the answer?  Can the huge Star office package be broken into 
smaller more manageable parts?


Thanks for previous help and thanks in advance,
Joe Golden,
The Stevens School of Peacham
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Re: for i in *

[mark]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 06:13:07PM +0200, Philipp Lehman wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2001, Philipp Lehman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, 20 May 2001, Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>I still don't understand the proper syntax for this: I want to process
> >>multiple files, e.g. symlinking a bunch or converting graphics.
> >>
> >>for i in *;do 'ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i';done
> >  ^^^  ^^^
> >
> >You need grave accents here.
> 
> Ouch! You don't need _any_ quotes in this case, sorry. What I was
> trying to say was that you shouldn't confuse accents and single quotes
> as they have different meanings in bash.
> 

I have found it useful and more readable to use the $(command) syntax
in place of `command`. It has the additional advantage of being
nestable, though that is rarely needed.

-- Mark

Re: for i in *

[Philipp Lehman]

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Philipp Lehman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Sun, 20 May 2001, Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I still don't understand the proper syntax for this: I want to process
>>multiple files, e.g. symlinking a bunch or converting graphics.
>>
>>for i in *;do 'ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i';done
>  ^^^  ^^^
>
>You need grave accents here.

Ouch! You don't need _any_ quotes in this case, sorry. What I was
trying to say was that you shouldn't confuse accents and single quotes
as they have different meanings in bash.

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Re: logging to active console is driving me crazy

[Dana J . Laude]

On Fri, 18 May 2001 13:51:03 you wrote:
> I have a iptables firewall with 2.4.4 kernel.  I have it log 
packets
> that are illegal etc.  How do I stop these logs from being 
displayed
> on the active console.  I am running potato with Adrian Bunk's 
stuff
> for 2.4 kernel support.
> 
> Here is what my /etc/syslog.conf has in it.
> auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log
> *.*;auth,authpriv.none  -/var/log/syslog
> #cron.* /var/log/cron.log
> daemon.*-/var/log/daemon.log
> kern.*  -/var/log/kern.log
> lpr.*   -/var/log/lpr.log
> mail.*  -/var/log/mail.log
> user.*  -/var/log/user.log
> uucp.*  -/var/log/uucp.log
> 
> mail.info   -/var/log/mail.info
> mail.warn   -/var/log/mail.warn
> mail.err/var/log/mail.err
> 
> news.crit   /var/log/news/news.crit
> news.err/var/log/news/news.err
> news.notice -/var/log/news/news.notice
> 
> *.=debug;\
> auth,authpriv.none;\
> news.none;mail.none -/var/log/debug
> *.=info;*.=notice;*.=warn;\
> auth,authpriv.none;\
> cron,daemon.none;\
> mail,news.none  -/var/log/messages
> 
> Everything else is commented out.  Even commented out the following
> lines:
> # Emergencies are sent to everybody logged in.
> #
> #*.emerg*

If you use the below, everything goes to tty8 on my system.
(ctrl-shift-f8)

daemon,mail.*;\
news.=crit;news.=err;news.=notice;\
*.=debug;*.=info;\
*.=notice;*.=warn   /dev/tty8

This should work, although I don't have the logging setup
yet for iptables.  I was going to compile that in today.
(missed it before)

Dana

Re: for i in *

[Philipp Lehman]

On Sun, 20 May 2001, Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I still don't understand the proper syntax for this: I want to process
>multiple files, e.g. symlinking a bunch or converting graphics.
>
>for i in *;do 'ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i';done
  ^^^  ^^^

You need grave accents here. Try:

for i in *; do `ln -s $i /home/newdir/$i`; done

Also, * will give the file name only, you need the full (relative or
absolute) path for the symlinks to work.

>won't work. 
>
>Could someone please explain the rules for doing stuff like this, e.g. when
>to use quotes and what quotes, when to write files to a new file and
>renaming them back. I would appreciate this a lot as I need to do a lot of
>this kind of stuff. Thanks --Hans
>
>
>

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Re: How to use debian lists

[Joel Mayes]

On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 11:14:16AM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> I have gotten some excellent answers to my questions and picked up 
> useful information from other user's questions and answers but
> 
> I'm swamped!
> 
> Often I am away from my computer for several days and return to find 
> 1,000+ messages.  It takes a long time to download and delete them much 
> less scan them for interesting items.  I unsuvscribed for a while 
> because of this and am thinking of doing so again.  What I'd like is a 
> way of switching on and off depending on my need to ask a question and 
> the time I have available to download and scan messages.
> 
> In the last analysis I think debian linux is wonderful, I am enormously 
> greatful to the all those who have freed me from microsoft but most of 
> my time is devoted to taking advantage of this by working at my computer 
> with only an ocasional need for help when I encounter a problem.
> 
> 
> -- 
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
G'day Thomas,

Have you looked at the usenet 'linux.debian.user' it appears to be a 
copy of the debian-user list available over NNTP.

Cheers 
Joel

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Re: potato question

[V.Suresh]

  Try the X4. Mostly it works. With kernel 2.4.x, your chances of
  getting X increase. I didn't do it the proper way, but somehow
  managed to get it. With 2.2.18, installed X from .tgz files,
  xf86config. Then booted thru 2.4.0, startx worked. Again booted
  thru 2.2.18, still startx worked. So, here I am with X.

   X Window -- It can happen to anybody. ;-)

Once upon a time, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> found a keyboard. And typed:
>HAD POTATO but tried to upgrade to kernel 2.4.4-686.  Sys is a celeron 700 on 
>a i810 board running 191mem with dozeme on 1st partition and ?2r3 on second.  
>Used apt-get kernel-image-2.4.4-686 to get kernel and then thought configed.  
>When reboot got a kernel panic.BOOT=?.
>Things missing! how to get back in???  Do have 2.2.19 boot disk-will it work?  
>Also do i just need xfree 4_02 for i810 support for X.  x will only run 
>vga-svga will not.  Can i just upgrade to xfree 4 and not kernel or have 2 do 
>both???
>THANKS TO ANYONE THAT REPLIES.  Either with howto or advise!  
-_-_-_-_End of Original Message-_-_-_-_-_-_-Know Gnu, Know Freedom_
  
  
  
  
  -V.Suresh.  Sureshvuserssourceforgenet
   Http://www16.brinkster.com/vsuresh
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Re: Multi-platform software development

[Karl Philipp]

Hi,


I'm in the need of developing a multi-platform system.
Can anyone give me a hint of which tool's (libraries) to use? I'd like to
develop applications for linux(es), unix(es) and windows.
I'm even about to pay a little amount of money for it.

Oh, I'm talking about GUI objects ( I think C++ written objects are 'a
must') and libraries.


Another idea:
Take a look at

 

and VERY IMPORTANT

 

greetings

 Karl

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