Re: Creating a new user

[k l u r t]

On Thursday 27 December 2001 12:44 am, ShlopIndustries Master wrote:
> I am a newbie to Debian and Linux and wanted to know how to create a new
> user. I can't load dbootstrap because the command is not found. Please help
> anybody.

useradd
usage: useradd  [-u uid [-o]] [-g group] [-G group,...]
[-d home] [-s shell] [-c comment] [-m [-k template]]
[-f inactive] [-e expire ] [-p passwd] name
   useradd  -D [-g group] [-b base] [-s shell]
[-f inactive] [-e expire ]

or if you like it simple with prompts, try:

adduser

- k l u r t

Re: ssh and X

[Francois Gouget]

On 25 Dec 2001, Jens Müller wrote:

> Since upgrading to Woody, X forwarding over ssh does not work any
> longer, which is a bad thing, since I cannot run X programs as
> super-user now.

   Finding why ssh -X does not work anymore is a good thing. But your
comment that says you cannot run programs as root anymore suggests that
your are using ssh as a kind of 'su' alternative.
   In that case I suggest that you look at sux, an su-wrapper script
which will do the xauth magic necessary for root to get access to your
screen. Instead of typing 'su -', just type 'sux -'.

   You can get sux there:

   http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/sux

and the Readme:

   http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/sux-readme.shtml


   One advantage is that with sux your X connection does not through
the encryption/decryption cycle. But one thing it does not do is forward
you ssh-agent.

   I which there was an ssu so that I could do 'ssu -A -X - foo' and
have ssu login into my foo account (using a public key for instance),
set up the xauth stuff and forward the ssh-aget connection. But not go
through the encryption/decryption of each X packet!

   Well, I hope you will find sux useful.


--
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Re: Email client programs

[Erik Steffl]

Carel Fellinger wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 05:32:31PM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote:
> > Craig Dickson wrote:
> ...
> >   I guess, I still like to see it all at once... I guess I can open few
> > windows, each with it's own view:-)
> >
> >   BTW the other annoying thing is that it requires password to IMAP
> > everytime I start it - is there a way to have passwordless access to
> > IMAP from mutt?
> 
> whilst in mutt try hitting F1 and read to your heart delight, otherwise
> try in ~/.muttrc:
> 
>set imap_user="your imap user name"
>set imap_pass="your imap password"
> 
> and better do:
> 
>chmod 500 ~/.muttrc

  thanks a lot. in the heat of the moment I also tried the certificates
files again (which I've found in docs but didn't work last time I tried)
and now I have no-bump road to IMAP folder (almost, it's still slightly
weird). so now, thanks to IMAP, I read debian-user in netscape and INBOX
in mutt:-) maybe I'll get used to it (mutt) because it has some
interesting features (scoring, proper reply to lists etc.).

erik

Re: debian-user-digest Digest V101 #2478

[Kerry Dukie]

On Wednesday 26 December 2001 23:39, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> debian-user-digest Digest Volume 101 : Issue 2478
>
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> Today's Topics:
>   Re: Shell script for clients email b  [ Alvin Oga
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: man v. info   [
> "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Shell script for clients email b 
> [ "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: kernel compile problems
>   [ Sean Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: Where do you RTFM ?  
> [ Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: User process killer
> script..  [ k l u r t <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] RE: man v. info 
>  [ Paul 'Baloo' Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Where do you RTFM ?  
>  
>[ "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Where do you RTFM ? 
>  [ Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: kernel compile
> problems   [ Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] sound blaster   
>  [ Mike Atamas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: sound
> blaster [ Paul 'Baloo' Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: 
> ssh
> and X [ "Jens =?iso-8859-1?q?M=FCller?="  there mutt browseable Maildir sol  [ Patrick Hsieh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
> Don't replace manpages_1.46-1_all.de  [ Yury Lyakh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re:
> Is there mutt browseable Maildir  [ Rudy Gevaert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
> Re: Where do you RTFM ?   [ (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ]


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> on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 06:32:31PM -0800, Craig Dickson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> > Carl Fink wrote:
> > > BTW, for HTML docs, put them all in *one* file with hyperlinks.  There
> > > is no meaningful advantage to cutting it into twenty pieces, and it
> > > makes searching significantly more difficult.
> >
> > For locally-stored docs that's arguable. The advantage of small files
> > comes when you have to read it across a network, especially a WAN.
>
> I'd disagree.  Info nodes can be _quit_ small -- a screen or less of
> data.  Load latency kills you more than the actual data transfer
> interval.  I'd rather have, say, 1/10 the interrupts, of roughly 2-4
> times the duration, than to be interrupted with great frequency.
>
> This can be further mitigated by browsers that render on partial load,
> or which allow background loading of pages (Galeon rocks for this).
>
> > When I want to search a directory of HTML files, I tend to grep it
> > first, then view the files that seem to be apropos.
>
> One better:
>
> $ less $( grep -l 'pattern' filelist )
>
> Peace.


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> on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 03:55:41AM -0800, Petre Daniel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> > Ok,this may sound a bit twisted but i dont know very well shell scripting
> > and i have the following problem:
> >
> > i have around 700 accounts on my school server and i want to send email
> > to everyone of them from time to time with news related to the school and
> > stuff.. I thought i can make an account and put in its homedir .forward
> > file all the addresses
> >
> > I need a script that if run, checks all /home accounts and put them
> > like [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the .forward of my
> > email-broadcast-account.  Or is there another simple way?
>
> Simpler?  Dunno.  Other?  Sure.
>
>   - Use a mailing list, e.g.:  Mailman.
> Pro:  This is what it's designed for.  Highly configurable.
> Con:  A modicum of setup is involved.
>
>   - Use an MUA mail alias (within your mailer, e.g.:  mutt)
> Pro:  Simple
> Con:  Alias is expanded in mailer, all addressees see all others,
> unless Bcc'd or similar.
>
>   - Use an MTA mail alias (within your mail daemon, e.g.:  exim)
> Pro:  Reasonably simple.  Conceals/supresses recipient addresses.
> Con:  Requires root access.  May be accessible to outsiders if your
> box can be used as a relay.
>
>
> You could also use a shell script and a recipients list:
>
> $ vi body # message body
> $ find /home -type d -maxdepth 1 | xargs -n 1 basename > whoto
> $ for i in $( cat whoto ); do mail -s "Subject" $i < body; done
>
>
> I'd probably opt for the Mailman option, particularly considering once
> you've set up one list, you'll likely have requests for others.
>
> Peace.


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Creating a new user

[ShlopIndustries Master]

I am a newbie to Debian and Linux and wanted to know how to create a new 
user. I can't load dbootstrap because the command is not found. Please help 
anybody.


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Re: Swap Partition/File

[Daniel Freedman]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001, Paul A. Thomas wrote:
> I've two questions tonight which seem simple but not... straight
> forward.

Hi Paul,

> I downloaded three ISO images and burned them to CD's.
> 
> 1:  I've booted from disk (CD) 1 and 2: both state they are recovery
> disk/boots...
> but then allow you to go into the installation applet.  The only other (
> very limited )
> experience I have with Linux is with RH 7.x   I don't recall RH

Welcome to Debian and Linux!

> indicating the system
> was booting to a recovery disk... Am I interpreting the start up
> correctly?  Are
> both/all of these Cd's intended to allow access to a damaged system?

Debian's boot system is generally called 'boot-floppies' (for
historical reasons, I believe) even when not actually being used from
floppy disks.  The first 'disk' for installation purposes is called
the 'rescue' disk, and the second is the 'root' disk, then there are
usually the driver disks.

So, this looks like you're doing fine so far.

> 2:  Related to #1 above:  How many CD's should there be for Debian's
> current
> release? I have three however in reading the man (manual?) page for
> cfdisk at
> debian.org  they reference 4 CD's.  My concern is working/playing with
> Debian
> Linux but not being able to apply what I find in help and MAN files
> properly as the
> references are off in the set I obtained.  That set of 3 was downloaded
> from
> http://www.linuxiso.org/debian.html, for the Intel 386 architecture.

I'm not really clear what Debian release you're using.  I'm not sure
if I should interpret the 'current' release to mean Debian stable (AKA
potato), or maybe you mean Debian testing (AKA woody).  I'm guessing
you probably don't mean Debian unstable (AKA sid), and you probably
mean Potato.

Don't worry so much about not having everything on CD.  It's easiest
just to use the first binary i386 CD to get most of the system up,
then update your '/etc/apt/sources.list' to include some http/ftp
internet download sites, do an 'apt-get update' as root, and then
slurp whatever additional packages you need off the net with 'apt-get
install '.

> 3:  I assume dbootstrap was started upon bootup with the CD noted above
> because
> the commands I am working with are not command prompt commands but echo
> what
> the MAN pages and installation manual show for CFDISK.  I've ( many
> times )
> deleted and created new partitions on the 40 gig HD I have in this
> system.  I believe
> my goal here is to create a 'kernel' partition of 5 megs, a 10 meg Swap
> partition, and
> whatever for general file use.  I can create all of the partitions and
> can make one of
> them a 'swap' partition, however the  GUI?  ( Graphical interface of
> dbootstrap
> which uses keyboard command to negotiate through it ), after I write the
> changes to
> the drive, tells me I need to create a swap drive.  If I try to activate
> the partition I
> just created and marked as a 'swap' partition the program states there
> are no new
> 'swap' partitions on the drive.

I assume by 'kernel' partition you mean a '/boot' partition?  10Meg
swap is probably woefully inadequate, unless that's a typo and you
mean 10Gig swap.  You generally want 2-3x your physical ram for swap.
Make sure you've properly changed the swap filesystem type from type
linux to type linux-swap.  You can do this from within cfdisk after
creating the partition.  Also see Karsten's partition mini-HOWTO at:

http://pw1.netcom.com/~kmself/Linux/FAQs/partition.html


> It's late.  I've spent the day giving massages and a pedicure to
> Microsoft networks..
> so I'm pretty sure the answer is in front of me  However I'd prefer
> not to throw
> this system out the window ( the descriptions I read indicate I'll
> prefer Debian over
> other Distributions ).  Could somebody provide a late night hint?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
>Paul

Hope that helps and take care,
Daniel

PS Please try to wrap your lines better if possible for readability.  Thanks.

-- 
Daniel A. Freedman
Laboratory for Atomic and Solid State Physics
Department of Physics
Cornell University

Re: evolution and printing

[Simon Wong]

On Mon, 2001-12-24 at 02:26, Marc Britten wrote:
> hi,
> 
> I have evolution-ssl w/ all the trimmings installed, when i do a print
> preview on a message all i get is the header box(the darker grey box w/
> the from and to n stuff)

I have a current problem with the gnome-print packages that mean I get
no text in anything that uses the gnome printing system.

Do you see text?

I can't find the bug number at the moment, try searching in th gnome
print packages...


> 
> nothing prints when i hit print too, i have cups installed, and the bsd
> compatibility package so i have an lpr command, which is the default for
> evolution to use.
> 
> and one last thing
> 
> if anyone knows how to setup the hpijs driver on sid I'll dump cups
> cause i want the photo real stuff.
> 
> danke,
> 
> marc
> 
> -- 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> GPG key can be found at http://www.monochromatic.net/yugami.gpg
-- 
**
* Simon Wong *
**

Swap Partition/File

[Paul A. Thomas]

I've two questions tonight which seem simple but not... straight
forward.

I downloaded three ISO images and burned them to CD's.

1:  I've booted from disk (CD) 1 and 2: both state they are recovery
disk/boots...
but then allow you to go into the installation applet.  The only other (
very limited )
experience I have with Linux is with RH 7.x   I don't recall RH
indicating the system
was booting to a recovery disk... Am I interpreting the start up
correctly?  Are
both/all of these Cd's intended to allow access to a damaged system?

2:  Related to #1 above:  How many CD's should there be for Debian's
current
release? I have three however in reading the man (manual?) page for
cfdisk at
debian.org  they reference 4 CD's.  My concern is working/playing with
Debian
Linux but not being able to apply what I find in help and MAN files
properly as the
references are off in the set I obtained.  That set of 3 was downloaded
from
http://www.linuxiso.org/debian.html, for the Intel 386 architecture.

3:  I assume dbootstrap was started upon bootup with the CD noted above
because
the commands I am working with are not command prompt commands but echo
what
the MAN pages and installation manual show for CFDISK.  I've ( many
times )
deleted and created new partitions on the 40 gig HD I have in this
system.  I believe
my goal here is to create a 'kernel' partition of 5 megs, a 10 meg Swap
partition, and
whatever for general file use.  I can create all of the partitions and
can make one of
them a 'swap' partition, however the  GUI?  ( Graphical interface of
dbootstrap
which uses keyboard command to negotiate through it ), after I write the
changes to
the drive, tells me I need to create a swap drive.  If I try to activate
the partition I
just created and marked as a 'swap' partition the program states there
are no new
'swap' partitions on the drive.

It's late.  I've spent the day giving massages and a pedicure to
Microsoft networks..
so I'm pretty sure the answer is in front of me  However I'd prefer
not to throw
this system out the window ( the descriptions I read indicate I'll
prefer Debian over
other Distributions ).  Could somebody provide a late night hint?

Thanks!

   Paul

Re: software install problems

[David Z Maze]

Phil Beder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
PB> I'm having trouble installing software.  I have downloaded Gimp, Netscape,
PB> Mozilla and others and seem to have compatibility problems with the version
PB> of Debian I'm running.  I thought I had 2.1.1, but in fact it returns Ver
PB> 2.0.36 when issued the uname -a command.  

uname will return the version of the Linux kernel, not of the Debian
distribution.  Looking in /etc/debian_version should tell you what
version of Debian you actually have.  But Debian 2.1 is pretty old,
especially by Linux standards.  Debian 2.2 has been out for over a
year at this point, and includes some more recent versions of the
software you care about (including, for example, Gtk+ 1.2 and GNU
libc 2.1.3).

(For really really new software, you might find stable too old,
particularly if you have things that require really new versions of
GNOME and/or you want prebuilt things in Debian packages.  But for
general-purpose use there's a good chance you'll find stable does it
for you, particularly if you have old-stable now.)

-- 
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/
"Theoretical politics is interesting.  Politicking should be illegal."
-- Abra Mitchell

Re: software install problems

[Phil Beder]

At 11:34 PM 12/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
>On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 11:18:31PM -0500, Phil Beder wrote:
>| Hello all,
>| I'm having trouble installing software.  I have downloaded Gimp, Netscape,
>| Mozilla and others and seem to have compatibility problems with the version
>| of Debian I'm running.  I thought I had 2.1.1, but in fact it returns Ver
>| 2.0.36 when issued the uname -a command.  
>| 
>| When I tried to install Netscape and Mozilla I got an error message: 
>| "error loading shared libraries   libgtk-1.2.so.: cannot open shared object
>| file: No such file or directory"
>| (I know the libgtk file on my machine is different, probably older)
> 
>apt-get install libgtk1.2
Tried this and got warnings "Couldn't stat source package list http:// . . .
Dont have pppconfig installed correctly yet,  (was working now it's not)
this apt command is looking out onto the web, ... right??

>| With Star Office I got:
>| "wrong glibc version you need 2.1.1"
>
>What does 'dpkg -l libc6' say?

This command returns:
"|status=Not/Installed/Config-Files/Unpacked/Failed-configf/Half-installed
|/Err?=(none)/Hold /Reinst-requird ...


>See above.  Also do 'apt-get update' with a network connection and the
>proper entries in /etc/apt/sources.list before the install.
>
>-D

Re: C programming under linux tutorial sites..

[Shaul Karl]

> Where should i read about C programming under linux?
> I need urls with download guides..
> 
> Petre L. Daniel,System Administrator
> Canad Systems Pitesti Romania,
> http://www.cyber.ro, email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Tel:+4048220044, +4048206200
> 


An ANSI C program is the same with any platform that has an ANSI C 
compiler.
Please be more specific: are you looking for C programming with 
networking?  With GUI interface?
-- 

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   Please replace (at-no-spam) with an at - @ - character.
   (at-no-spam) is meant for unsolicitate mail senders only.

Re: Sugarplum

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Shaul Karl wrote:

> Searching for sugarplum* on pacakges.debian.org reports `No responses
> to your query'.

Right, but does anybody know of unofficial debs?

-- 
Baloo

Re: Sugarplum

[Shaul Karl]

> Is there a debian package for Sugarplum?
> http://www.devin.com/sugarplum/
> 
> -- 
> Baloo
> 


Searching for sugarplum* on pacakges.debian.org reports `No responses 
to your query'.
-- 

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   Please replace (at-no-spam) with an at - @ - character.
   (at-no-spam) is meant for unsolicitate mail senders only.

Re: Uninstalling Programs

[Shaul Karl]

> I am running potato for the first time on a m68k mac. I installed x windows, 
> which I do not want. How do I uninstall? I have never really used Debian
> PLEASE HELP!!!
> 


One way is to, as root

dpkg --purge unwanted_packages

Now you should ask which are the unwanted_packages to remove. a 
starting point might be to look at the output of
ls /usr/share/doc/x*
and considering those that are X windows related.

dselect might be easier to use here: you could see the package 
description and ask to remove it with a few key strokes.
-- 

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   Please replace (at-no-spam) with an at - @ - character.
   (at-no-spam) is meant for unsolicitate mail senders only.

Re: Threading Mail

[Kieren Diment]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 09:58:11PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.26.2100 +0100]:
> > I recommend just using fetchmail intstead and having exim or procmail
> > sort the mail into folders for you.  The advantage of using
> > fetchmail+exim/procmail is that you can switch mailers all you want
> > and are not dependent on a given mailer's POP/IMAP and filter/sort
> > capabilities.  All they need is the ability to read a local folder.
> 
> yes, but you also need to learn a lot more software. while mutt
> already has quite a learning curve, fetchmail may be easy, exim
> moderate, but procmail (especially the debugging) can be quite a drag.
> easier if you can just rely on mutt...

try :

$prompt> less /usr/doc/procmail/QuickStart

Worked for me.  Up and running in 5 minutes.  

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Re: software install problems

[dman]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 11:18:31PM -0500, Phil Beder wrote:
| Hello all,
| I'm having trouble installing software.  I have downloaded Gimp, Netscape,
| Mozilla and others and seem to have compatibility problems with the version
| of Debian I'm running.  I thought I had 2.1.1, but in fact it returns Ver
| 2.0.36 when issued the uname -a command.  
| 
| When I tried to install Netscape and Mozilla I got an error message: 
| "error loading shared libraries   libgtk-1.2.so.: cannot open shared object
| file: No such file or directory"
| (I know the libgtk file on my machine is different, probably older)
 
apt-get install libgtk1.2

| With Star Office I got:
| "wrong glibc version you need 2.1.1"

What does 'dpkg -l libc6' say?

| What do I need to do??

See above.  Also do 'apt-get update' with a network connection and the
proper entries in /etc/apt/sources.list before the install.

-D

-- 

But As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.
Joshua 24:15

software install problems

[Phil Beder]

Hello all,
I'm having trouble installing software.  I have downloaded Gimp, Netscape,
Mozilla and others and seem to have compatibility problems with the version
of Debian I'm running.  I thought I had 2.1.1, but in fact it returns Ver
2.0.36 when issued the uname -a command.  

When I tried to install Netscape and Mozilla I got an error message: 
"error loading shared libraries   libgtk-1.2.so.: cannot open shared object
file: No such file or directory"
(I know the libgtk file on my machine is different, probably older)

With Star Office I got:
"wrong glibc version you need 2.1.1"

What do I need to do??

Re: Email client programs

[Carel Fellinger]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 05:32:31PM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote:
> Craig Dickson wrote:
...
>   I guess, I still like to see it all at once... I guess I can open few
> windows, each with it's own view:-)
> 
>   BTW the other annoying thing is that it requires password to IMAP
> everytime I start it - is there a way to have passwordless access to
> IMAP from mutt?

whilst in mutt try hitting F1 and read to your heart delight, otherwise
try in ~/.muttrc:

   set imap_user="your imap user name"
   set imap_pass="your imap password"

and better do:

   chmod 500 ~/.muttrc

-- 
groetjes, carel

Re: sound blaster

[Brian Clark]

* Marcelo B. Bianchi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Dec 26. 2001 21:04]:

> After the reboot try load the module, 

> modprobe emu10k1

I recentl;y had the same problem, but put it off for a while. This is
what I get (the same card, same module - but the creative sources):

% modprobe emu10k1
/lib/modules/2.2.19/misc/emu10k1.o: unresolved symbol mem_map_Rada6f066
/lib/modules/2.2.19/misc/emu10k1.o: unresolved symbol
__wake_up_R488028a0
/lib/modules/2.2.19/misc/emu10k1.o: unresolved symbol
interruptible_sleep_on_R0ca77f9d
/lib/modules/2.2.19/misc/emu10k1.o: unresolved symbol
register_sound_midi_Rfae787dd
/lib/modules/2.2.19/misc/emu10k1.o: unresolved symbol
register_sound_dsp_Rf393da98
/lib/modules/2.2.19/misc/emu10k1.o: unresolved symbol
__pollwait_R08b1d5fb
/lib/modules/2.2.19/misc/emu10k1.o: unresolved symbol
register_sound_mixer_Re7b6312f
/lib/modules/2.2.19/misc/emu10k1.o: Note: modules without a GPL
compatible license cannot use GPLONLY_ symbols
/lib/modules/2.2.19/misc/emu10k1.o: insmod
/lib/modules/2.2.19/misc/emu10k1.o failed
/lib/modules/2.2.19/misc/emu10k1.o: insmod emu10k1 failed

And that business about the GPL -- good grief! :))

I'm starting to think I'll never have my sanity return. These headphones
may get glued to my skull soon. ;)

Penny for your thoughts?

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Re: How do you map shell commands to keys in mutt ?

[Brian Clark]

* Karsten M. Self (kmself@ix.netcom.com) [Dec 26. 2001 15:04]:

> ## Bind ricochet spam response to 'S'
> macro index S "|/usr/local/bin/ricochet & \n"

Note, for some versions of Mutt, or some systems, or some planets, 
one may have to use , as in:

   ## Bind ricochet spam response to 'S'
   macro index S "/usr/local/bin/ricochet & \n"

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Re: CD RW problems

[Seth Delackner]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 07:47:28PM +, Steve Knight wrote:
> I use 'mkisofs' under Debian.

If you're also using cdrecord for the actual burning, I've been hit
by the problem that it screws up the last couple files on any ISO.
Just about the only fix someone seems to have mentioned for this
mysterious "read ahead" bug (cdrecord author's words) is to use
dd to append an extra meg of zeros onto your ISO to make it write
the end of the iso just fine and then screw up after all your files
are written.

Could be something completely different, but every ISO I've created
or pulled from the net has been trashed by cdrecord because of this.

Re: "jumpstart" for debian?

[Daniel Freedman]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001, Lev Lvovsky wrote:
> 
> is there any linux/debian equivalent of "jumpstart" as there is on
> Solaris?

You might want to look into FAI: the Fully Automated Installer
(packaged for, and, I believe, developed on, Debian).

HTH,

Daniel


> thanks,
> -lev
> 
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Taking advantage of patch_the_kernel -- advice?

[Phil Edwards]

After running 2.2.20 quite happily, I figured I'd try the 2.4 series.
So I just grabbed the 2.4.17-1 source package, and I'm just about to build
it when I think, hey, the "preemptible kernel" patch listed here:

http://www.tech9.net/rml/linux/

looks like it could be useful.

Instead of just applying the patch myself, I'd like to try that nifty-looking
patch_the_kernel feature in make-kpkg.  How do I go about turning a simple
diff into the correct structure that patch_the_kernel expects?

I have found minimal documentation (although sufficient) on how to use
patch_the_kenl for existing kernel-patch-*.deb packages.  But I've found
nothing on how to do it myself.


Phil
P.S.- Under what exact conditions I need to get the kernel-headers-XYZ
package continues to elude me, but nothing's broken yet.

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If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater
than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace.  We seek
not your counsel, nor your arms.  Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you;
and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.- Samuel Adams

Re: Email client programs

[dman]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 11:46:44AM -0800, Vaughan, Curtis wrote:
| I am wondering what other Debian Users recommend for an email client
| program.

I like mutt the best.  It is good, makes good use of screen
real-estate, has good threading and list support, and is light, fast,
and stable.  The one downside is that many people don't like console
based apps.

| One of the big problems is that people will need to read and send mail in
| English and Russian.  I'm trying to recall, but I don't think I could get
| StarOffice and KMail to permit Russian.  Actually I could write in Russian
| in KMail provided I opened a letter that was already in Russian and composed
| my letter in that letter.  Understand?

I haven't tried to use mutt with any other language, but the Korean
and Japanese (spam) messages I've seen looked messed up.  Of course,
they still looked messed up with 'cat' and 'less' too.  I don't think
the version of gnome-terminal that I have can handle multi-byte fonts.
I use 'vim' as my editor with mutt, but one could just as easily use
'gvim'.  With gvim I have correctly viewed files in other languages
and it supports XIM.  I expect that with any (decent) mailer you will
be able to specify an external editor to use and in that case you can
make use of gvim's language support.

As for other mailers, Balsa is decent and lightweight.  Mahogany is
ok, but I'm not sure of its stability.  I've heard good things about
Sylpheed and KMail (though not the current kmail package).

| Finally, I couldn't figure out how to get any of the programs to encrypt
| passwords for logging in to our Exchange server - perhaps this is impossible
| consider different technologies?  Eventually, however, I would like to shut
| the Exchange server down, but that's not in the planning yet.

If you don't have IMAP or POP enaled on the exchange server you will
definitely have trouble with it.  That's the problem with proprietary
protocols and interfaces.  I did hear something about some people
reverse engineering it and patching fetchmail to be able to retrieve
from an exchange server.

-D

-- 

If your life is a hard drive,
Christ can be your backup.

Re: Email client programs

[dman]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 05:36:15PM -0800, Lev Lvovsky wrote:
| On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, martin f krafft wrote:
| 
| > > why the insistence on fetchmail?
| >
| > it's the unix philosophy -- let one program do its job and do it well,
| > let other programs use that...
| 
| hehe, really?  I guess you can count mozilla out ;)

Right.

| while I like the concept of modularity, I can't imagine that actually
| fetching the mail can be very hard and/or killer-app-able.

It's not that amazing, but fetchmail does support a wide array of
protocols.  I even heard about some people (fed up with exchange's
brokenness of IMAP) reverse engineered the exchange protocol and
patched fetchmail to support it.  If you've done any development you
know that error handling code can easily outweigh the amount of normal
logic code in a program.  I think that, at the very least, a library
should be made that all programs can share.  That way it can be known
to be rock-solid, or that when an error is found and corrected, all
clients benefit from it.  That is what is nice about fetchmail.  It is
also nice to know that you can retrieve your mail independent from the
viewer when you are trying out many viewers to find the "best" one.

-D

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cross and follow me.  For whoever wants to save his life will lose it,
but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it.  What
good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?  Or
what can a man give in exchange for his soul?
Mark 8:34-37

Re: Threading Mail

[John Hasler]

erik writes:
> email storage - where the email is stored. traditionaly this is just
> files, mostly mbox or maildir. that's what is replaced by IMAP. that way
> you have no email in /var/spool/mail/username or ~/mbox or wherever your
> email currently is, the email is stored by IMAP (you don't care where)

But I care very much where.  In particular, I care very much that my mail
_not_ remain on my ISP's server any longer than necessary.  Trouble is,
that's where it would have to remain in order for IMAP to do me any good.
-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

Re: Email client programs

[Craig Dickson]

Erik Steffl wrote:

> > Also, with fetchmail, you don't have to bother telling your mail client
> > about your POP or IMAP server -- it's one less thing to configure if you
> 
>   provided that you want to download emails from IMAP which is not a
> very good way to use IMAP. I guess it's desirable in some situations...
> but often you might want to use it straight as it is or, if the network
> connection is not good enough, use it in off-line mode. Unless you want
> to consolidate all you accounts in one, then it makes sense to download
> even IMAP mail.

That's exactly what I do. My personal mail accounts, work mail, everything
ends up in my home mail folders, thanks to fetchmail. Meanwhile, mutt is
configured to know what to put in my From: headers according to what folder
I'm in when I send a mail.

>   but then it makes sense to run local IMAP server (for similar reasons
> that it's desirable to use fetchmail to fetch email).

That's a matter of taste, I think. If you have an email client that has
really solid IMAP support, then that's reasonable.

Craig

Re: Email client programs

[Craig Dickson]

Erik Steffl wrote:

>   mail retrieval is indeed separate issue (and it can be both job of
> fetchamil (active retrieval) and MTA (accepting delivery))
> 
>   then there's mail storage - IMO the task for IMAP server
> 
>   only then the MUA comes in - in between user and IMAP, the actual
> email manipulation is doen by IMAP, MUA is only proxy between user and
> IMAP.

Ah, so that's what you meant. Yes, true. I haven't used IMAP very much;
I had a local server running for a while as a means of porting old
Outlook Express archives to Linux, and my current employer's site is
IMAP-only, but other than that most places I've had email accounts have
been POP3-only.

If good IMAP support was common in mail clients, I'd probably be more
inclined to explore it, but in my experience many clients either don't
support IMAP, or the support is limited and/or buggy.

>   BTW the other annoying thing is that it requires password to IMAP
> everytime I start it - is there a way to have passwordless access to
> IMAP from mutt?

There must be, I'm sure, but since fetchmail takes care of that for me,
I haven't needed to find out.

Craig

Sugarplum

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

Is there a debian package for Sugarplum?
http://www.devin.com/sugarplum/

-- 
Baloo

what happened to galeon (was Re: man v. info)

[dman]

On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 02:14:36AM +0100, Michael Mauch wrote:

| Galeon 1.0 from the Debian system really is a lot faster (2 seconds
| for the whole file). So maybe something went wrong with my
| Galeon-0.12.7 build here (built from sources on something that once
| was a SuSE-6.1).

Ok, so galeon is at 1.0 (1.0-2 really) now.  I just tried to install
it, but it says it needs a newer mozilla-browser than is in woody but
an older one than is in sid.  Why is that?  Why does it conflict with
mozilla-browser >= 0.9.7?  I would like to move up from 0.12.4-0.1.

-D

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C programming under linux tutorial sites..

[Petre Daniel]

Where should i read about C programming under linux?
I need urls with download guides..

Petre L. Daniel,System Administrator
Canad Systems Pitesti Romania,
http://www.cyber.ro, email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel:+4048220044, +4048206200

Re: new kernel option

[Jerome BENOIT]

Thanks for response.
I have a better understanding now:
I was confused by the trace let by the Makefile
at the very beginning of the process.

Jerome BENOIT 

"Donald R. Spoon" wrote:
> 
> Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> 
> > Bonjour:
> >
> > Thanks for your messages:
> > let me be more specific.
> > I am trying to build a 2.2.19 kernel
> > with the Debian kernel-package
> > for a Tow Processors AMD computer
> > with an RTL8139 ethernet card.
> > The Mafile (`make menuconfig')
> > chooses as pre-config file the
> > file arch/i386/defconfig'
> > which does not contain
> > the macro link to the RTL8139 ethernet card modue:
> > hence my frustration.
> >
> > What must I do ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jerome
> >
> 
> Jerome,
> 
> I am not sure I fully understand your problem, but here goes...
> 
> The purpose of the "make menuconfig" process is to create a current
> ".config" file that the system uses for the rest of the compile process.
> If there is an EXISTING /usr/src/linux/.config file, it will use it
> as a starting point for your configuration.  At the end you will be
> asked if you want to save the "new" config, and if you say yes, the
> original /usr/src/linux/.config is re-named to ".oldconfig" and a new
> ".config file is created.
> 
> If you start off with a "clean" kernel source tree, it will NOT have an
> existing ".config" file, hence the fall-back to the arch/i386/defconfig
> file placed there by the kernel maintainers.  This is a very
> CONSERVATIVE file that will NOT prompt you for any options considered
> "experimental" by the kernel maintainers.  If you look at this file with
> a text editor, you will see that "CONFIG_EXPERMENTAL" is not set.  This
> provides a very "basic" or "bare-bones" starting point and probably is
> your problem.  The RTL8139 module selection only shows up when you
> choose the "prompt for experimental..." option under the main "Code
> Maturity Level" section at the start of the menu process.  Turn it on
> first, and I bet you will see the RTL8139 module option listed later on
> in the Network Devices section.
> 
> The ".config" file for your current operating Debian kernel is stored in
> /boot as "config-".  I would use this as your starting
> point for the compilation, as most of the things that will mess you up
> are already taken care of.  If you only want to make some minor changes
> over your current setup, then this is the way to go.  Here is what I
> would do:
> 
> 1.  In your /usr/src/linux directory remove any existing .config file.
> You can probably do this by running "make clean" and/or "make mrproper".
>   You should probably do this to remove any stale files from previous
> compiles and make sure you have a "clean" source tree.
> 
> 2.  Copy the "/boot/config-X" file to "/usr/src/linux/.config".
> (Note that is a DOT CONFIG in the /usr/src/linux directory!!)
> 
> 3.  Run your favorite config program to select/modify the options you
> want. (make config, make meuconfig, make xconfig).
> 
> 4.  Run "make dep"
> 
> 5.  Proceed with the rest of the compile using either of the available
> methods.
> 
> This should get you going
> 
> Cheers & Good Luck!
> -Don Spoon-
> 
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Re: new kernel option

[Jerome BENOIT]

Thanks for response.
I have a better understanding now:
I was confused by the trace let by the Makefile
at the very beginning of the process.

Jerome BENOIT 

"Donald R. Spoon" wrote:
> 
> Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> 
> > Bonjour:
> >
> > Thanks for your messages:
> > let me be more specific.
> > I am trying to build a 2.2.19 kernel
> > with the Debian kernel-package
> > for a Tow Processors AMD computer
> > with an RTL8139 ethernet card.
> > The Mafile (`make menuconfig')
> > chooses as pre-config file the
> > file arch/i386/defconfig'
> > which does not contain
> > the macro link to the RTL8139 ethernet card modue:
> > hence my frustration.
> >
> > What must I do ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jerome
> >
> 
> Jerome,
> 
> I am not sure I fully understand your problem, but here goes...
> 
> The purpose of the "make menuconfig" process is to create a current
> ".config" file that the system uses for the rest of the compile process.
> If there is an EXISTING /usr/src/linux/.config file, it will use it
> as a starting point for your configuration.  At the end you will be
> asked if you want to save the "new" config, and if you say yes, the
> original /usr/src/linux/.config is re-named to ".oldconfig" and a new
> ".config file is created.
> 
> If you start off with a "clean" kernel source tree, it will NOT have an
> existing ".config" file, hence the fall-back to the arch/i386/defconfig
> file placed there by the kernel maintainers.  This is a very
> CONSERVATIVE file that will NOT prompt you for any options considered
> "experimental" by the kernel maintainers.  If you look at this file with
> a text editor, you will see that "CONFIG_EXPERMENTAL" is not set.  This
> provides a very "basic" or "bare-bones" starting point and probably is
> your problem.  The RTL8139 module selection only shows up when you
> choose the "prompt for experimental..." option under the main "Code
> Maturity Level" section at the start of the menu process.  Turn it on
> first, and I bet you will see the RTL8139 module option listed later on
> in the Network Devices section.
> 
> The ".config" file for your current operating Debian kernel is stored in
> /boot as "config-".  I would use this as your starting
> point for the compilation, as most of the things that will mess you up
> are already taken care of.  If you only want to make some minor changes
> over your current setup, then this is the way to go.  Here is what I
> would do:
> 
> 1.  In your /usr/src/linux directory remove any existing .config file.
> You can probably do this by running "make clean" and/or "make mrproper".
>   You should probably do this to remove any stale files from previous
> compiles and make sure you have a "clean" source tree.
> 
> 2.  Copy the "/boot/config-X" file to "/usr/src/linux/.config".
> (Note that is a DOT CONFIG in the /usr/src/linux directory!!)
> 
> 3.  Run your favorite config program to select/modify the options you
> want. (make config, make meuconfig, make xconfig).
> 
> 4.  Run "make dep"
> 
> 5.  Proceed with the rest of the compile using either of the available
> methods.
> 
> This should get you going
> 
> Cheers & Good Luck!
> -Don Spoon-
> 
> --
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Re: Threading Mail

[Erik Steffl]

dman wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 05:23:49PM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote:
> | dman wrote:
> | >
> | > On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:21:53PM -0500, Brian Nelson wrote:
> | >
> | > | Not true!  I switched from mutt to gnus.  It's IMAP support was too weak
> | > | for me,
> | >
> | > IMAP in mutt is actually somewhat controversial.  The author doesn't
> | > really like it (mutt is _just_ a MUA), but there would be too much
> |
> |   isn't it even more important for it to be a IMAP client? any other way
> | of working with email makes it a little bit more then MUA (or little bit
> | more then is neccessary).
> 
> I don't get what you are saying here.  Mutt doesn't really need IMAP
> since fetchmail already takes care of it.

  no, IMAP is not equivalent of POP3. Instead of accessing email stored
in one or another format in files MUA accesses IMAP for all its email
storage needs. Instead of reading the file it asks IMAP server for a
message. etc... that way you can access the same mail account using
different tools (even at same time) and never worry about technicalities
of file locking, about which format they use and how well they support
it etc. (because all tools access email only via IMAP server)

> |   mail storage - separate tool (IMAP)
> 
> Right -- fetchmail.  However, as I said, too many people would
> complain too loudly if the current IMAP code in mutt was removed.

  email storage - where the email is stored. traditionaly this is just
files, mostly mbox or maildir. that's what is replaced by IMAP. that way
you have no email in /var/spool/mail/username or ~/mbox or wherever your
email currently is, the email is stored by IMAP (you don't care where)
and you just ask IMAP to performa various operations on mail.

  btw some IMAP servers implemente mail storage in a way that makes
physical email really inaccessible to you (cyrus), other basically
consider you ~ a big bunch of mbox/maildir files (uw-imap, it's useful
to limit it's namespace to e.g. just ~/mail, otherwise you see
everything as mail, slightly confusing)

> |   mail filtering - separate tool (sieve, procmail)
> 
> I don't see 'sieve' anywhere in "apt-cache search".  I did read the
> RFC though.

  it's part of cyrus (maybe some other IMAP servers as well, not sure if
there's a standalone implementation). You can, of course, continue to
use procmail with IMAP server.

> |   unix philosophy... as long as they all work together...
> 
> Yep.
> 
> |   IMO mutt is already trying too be too many things at once (granted,
> | they are all email related:-)
> 
> Which things (aside from POP and IMAP)?

  it also filters email. then it has this way of 'processing' email -
scoring, doing various things between swtiching folders etc. not saying
it shouldn't be there but I would rather see a separate tools for
'post-processing' email, independent of MUA (it would be sort of
automatic MUA, something what sed is to vi).

  btw IMAP is not one of those 'too much' that I had in mind, IMAP is
eesential, but not as download protocol (i.e. using it as if it were
POP3) but as real IMAP (that's how it's implemented, you see IMAP
folders as normal (sort of) folders.

  this is how my system works:

   -> postfix -> cyrus deliver -> sieve -> IMAP (cyrus) -> MUAs

   -> fetchmail -> postfix -> see above

  MUAs -> postfix -> 

  that way I can use any IMAP MUAs (and still have email filtered the
same way), I can read my email from various places (mostly from one of
my home computers or from work), don't have to worry whether I closed
one MUA before opening another one (file locking funnies) etc. also much
less chances for screweup due to unstable MUAs (I change programs that
have user interface lot more often then programs that work in behind, I
guess that's true for most people). it's email paradise! if you don't
have your email set that way you owe it to yourself to try it (you don't
have to use the same components, of course)

erik

Re: sound blaster

[Marcelo B. Bianchi]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:49:43 -0500, Mike Atamas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Im having lots of problems trying to configure my soundblaster live. I
> tried to use Alsa but it told me my card wasnt found. That is strange since
> mandrake and redhat detected my card, and so does windows. I tried to
> install the soundcore module which told me I had unresolved symbols. Then I
> tried to install the emu10k drivers, they told me that I had unresolved
> symbols. What should I do?
> 

Well maybe your kernel is not right configured for the sets of modules you have 
in this case try recompile de kernel install the new kernel and modules and 
reboot the machine. 

After the reboot try load the module, 

modprobe emu10k1

and that's it test your sound, if everything is okay, add the following line to 
** /etc/modules **

emu10k1

marcelo~

Re: Email client programs

[Lev Lvovsky]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Craig Dickson wrote:

> Lev Lvovsky wrote:
>
> > why the insistence on fetchmail?
>
> Without fetchmail or something like it, if your network is down when you
> decide to run your mail client, you can't check your mail server for new
> messages. Even if the network is up, you have to wait while the client
> connects to the server and downloads all your new mail (which may take a
> while).

hmm...

since i run my mail srver on the same box as I run pine from, it's never
really been an issue...I guess though, that for a bigger setup, this would
indeed be a good idea...

-lev

Re: cdrecording

[Michael Mauch]

David Gardi wrote:

> I' using cdrecord 1.10-2.2, and when I record audio cds, I am able only 
> to speed at
> 1x. My recorder is a 4x capable drive, and if I try and record at a 
> higher speed, the audio
> plays back faster than it should. Data cds work as expected. I did not 
> have this problem
> with previous versions of cdrecord. So the question is: How do I write 
> audio cds
> at 4x and have not accelerated playback?

I'm afraid I don't know how this can happen.
 
> Anyone also know of a good or not good console based program (or not) that
> allows you to copy audio cds directly via a buffer?

cdrdao copy --on-the-fly

> Ok, the pipe works in conjuction with cdparanoia, but does not succeed
> all the time.

If your CD-ROM can't extract digital audio fast enough, cdrdao will
fail, too. Try "cdrdao read-cd toc" first (and listen to the tracks to
find out whether your drive can read without errors).

Regards...
Michael

Re: Email client programs

[Erik Steffl]

Craig Dickson wrote:
> 
> Lev Lvovsky wrote:
> 
> > why the insistence on fetchmail?
...
> Also, with fetchmail, you don't have to bother telling your mail client
> about your POP or IMAP server -- it's one less thing to configure if you

  provided that you want to download emails from IMAP which is not a
very good way to use IMAP. I guess it's desirable in some situations...
but often you might want to use it straight as it is or, if the network
connection is not good enough, use it in off-line mode. Unless you want
to consolidate all you accounts in one, then it makes sense to download
even IMAP mail.

  but then it makes sense to run local IMAP server (for similar reasons
that it's desirable to use fetchmail to fetch email).

erik

Re: Email client programs

[Lev Lvovsky]

On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, martin f krafft wrote:

> > why the insistence on fetchmail?
>
> it's the unix philosophy -- let one program do its job and do it well,
> let other programs use that...

hehe, really?  I guess you can count mozilla out ;)

while I like the concept of modularity, I can't imagine that actually
fetching the mail can be very hard and/or killer-app-able.

hehe, I like me my pine :)

-lev

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Re: Uninstalling Programs

[David Gardi]

ShlopIndustries Master wrote:

I am running potato for the first time on a m68k mac. I installed x 
windows, which I do not want. How do I uninstall? I have never really 
used Debian

PLEASE HELP!!!

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Uninstalling Programs

[ShlopIndustries Master]

I am running potato for the first time on a m68k mac. I installed x windows, 
which I do not want. How do I uninstall? I have never really used Debian

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Re: man v. info

[Michael Mauch]

Karsten M. Self wrote:

> on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:31:12PM +0100, Michael Mauch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > Karsten M. Self wrote:

> > > This can be further mitigated by browsers that render on partial
> > > load, or which allow background loading of pages (Galeon rocks for
> > > this).
> > 
> > Sorry, I disagree. Try
> > 
> >   info --output=gcc.txt --subnodes gcc
> > 
> > to put the whole gcc.info* files into one text file, then load it with
> > Galeon. Although the file has only 3 lines and it's text only,
> > loading and viewing is slow even with Galeon.
> 
> I have 2929 lines, and a 2 second load time.

That seems to be the info-ized manpage.

> What packages do you have installed?

The text from the info file that was installed by "apt-get install
gcc-2.95-doc" has 31299 lines.

Pasted from your other mail:

> With gcc-2.95-doc installed, load time is ~1-2 seconds in Galeon from a
> text file sitting on /tmp.

Wow, that's fast. Is that the time time until it starts displaying the
first page(s) or is it the time until the whole page is loaded (CPU
usage goes down to normal, mouse cursor is normal again)? This takes
more than 30 seconds here. Oh, wait a moment - Galeon 1.0 from the
Debian system really is a lot faster (2 seconds for the whole file). So
maybe something went wrong with my Galeon-0.12.7 build here (built from
sources on something that once was a SuSE-6.1).

I'm sorry, this was my own fault then.

> Previously described PIII-600MHz 128 MiB, IDE system.  Galeon 1.0-2.
> 
> What's your hardware?

Athlon 700, 384 MiB.
 
> I don't have the PHP document handy.  My experience is that mawk.html
> loads in 13 seconds on first access, and in about 1.5 seconds on reload,
> accessed under dwww, as: 
> 
> http://ego/cgi-bin/dwww?type=man&location=/usr/share/man/man1/gawk.1.gz
> http://ego/cgi-bin/dwww?type=man&location=/usr/share/man/man1/mawk.1.gz

Um, the gawk info file is a whole book (it's also available on a dead
tree), that's by far more exhaustive than the HTML-ized man page. The
gawk.html as shipped with the gawk-3.1.0 sources has 32483 lines, 1.6 MB
- and it takes more than 20 seconds to load (on the good Galeon 1.0 from
Debian). But ok, once it is loaded, it's ok; even searching is fast enough.

> > You might argue that I should use w3m 
> 
> w3m's loading is likely to be as slow or slower -- it doesn't display a
> page until it's fully loaded, unlike.
> 
> > or links 
> 
> ...which _does_ render a page _while_ it's loading.
> 
> > to read those large HTML files 
> 
> ...but in any case, both render the files in < 1 second.  I suspect
> caching is going on here.  Trying another large page -- bash -- it loads
> in about 2 seconds.  This is comperable to wait times for a freshly
> rendered manpage via groff.

Yes, ok. Links _is_ fast.

> > - but then I would have to remember the keystrokes of these programs
> > (i.e. I can't use my favourite browser) 
> 
> Incidental not:  I'd recommend you learn _one_ text mode browser.

Um, yes - I already learned lynx a while ago. Alas that's very slow for
large files. So I learn another text browser, no problem. But why can't
you learn the (p)info keystrokes, then? ;-)

But when I'm at work, I'm again stuck with Netscape 4.x, because the
admins won't install anything other. I don't have an info browser there,
but I do have (X)Emacs, and so I can happily read info files (as long as
they are not HTML only, like it's the case with the PHP manual).

> For times when you've got console-only access (no X11, or remote
> session, or other reasons), they're a godsend.

Yes, of course - and I can navigate with the keyboard.

> > > > When I want to search a directory of HTML files, I tend to grep it
> > > > first, then view the files that seem to be apropos.
> > > 
> > > One better:
> > > 
> > > $ less $( grep -l 'pattern' filelist )
> > 
> > And then you read the plain HTML source? Not very cool, frankly.
> 
> 
> $ for file in $( list ); do w3m $file; done
> 

And then I type my search string into a dozen of w3m instances? Still
not convinced.

> > A local search engine like mnogosearch, htdig or glimpse could help,
> > of course. Is there a Debian package with already set-up configuration
> > for one of these? I seem to remember that FreeBSD has something like
> > this (htdig-based and with man2html and info2html).
> 
> Try dwww.

Thank you, that's great! And with info2www the info books are there,
too. But then: how can I search for e.g. "assembler" in the gawk book?

> > The german HTML tutorial SelfHTML 8.0 comes with a built-in JavaScript
> > search engine (, but it seems to be down
> > at the moment). It is very fast and works well. It looks like it's
> > only available for SelfHTML at the moment, though.
> 
> I don't care for Javascript.

Normally I don't, neither - but this example of a "self-contained"
search engine made me wonder if JavaScript really is "always" senseless
bloat.

> It doesn't work i

Re: Threading Mail

[dman]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 05:23:49PM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote:
| dman wrote:
| > 
| > On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:21:53PM -0500, Brian Nelson wrote:
| > 
| > | Not true!  I switched from mutt to gnus.  It's IMAP support was too weak
| > | for me,
| > 
| > IMAP in mutt is actually somewhat controversial.  The author doesn't
| > really like it (mutt is _just_ a MUA), but there would be too much
| 
|   isn't it even more important for it to be a IMAP client? any other way
| of working with email makes it a little bit more then MUA (or little bit
| more then is neccessary).

I don't get what you are saying here.  Mutt doesn't really need IMAP
since fetchmail already takes care of it.

|   mail storage - separate tool (IMAP)

Right -- fetchmail.  However, as I said, too many people would
complain too loudly if the current IMAP code in mutt was removed.

|   mail filtering - separate tool (sieve, procmail)

I don't see 'sieve' anywhere in "apt-cache search".  I did read the
RFC though.

|   unix philosophy... as long as they all work together...

Yep.

|   IMO mutt is already trying too be too many things at once (granted,
| they are all email related:-)

Which things (aside from POP and IMAP)?

-D

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you dont care and go around shooting anything else you can find.
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Re: Email client programs

[Erik Steffl]

Craig Dickson wrote:
> 
> Erik Steffl wrote:
> 
> >   IMO the MUA should not handle storage of email, so this is a non an
> > issue:-) [the real causality goes in the other way]
> 
> Well, the MUA should not have to worry about retrieval from POP servers.
> That's fetchmail's job. But certainly the MUA is the thing for
> interactively moving mails from one folder to another.

  mail retrieval is indeed separate issue (and it can be both job of
fetchamil (active retrieval) and MTA (accepting delivery))

  then there's mail storage - IMO the task for IMAP server

  only then the MUA comes in - in between user and IMAP, the actual
email manipulation is doen by IMAP, MUA is only proxy between user and
IMAP.

  this kind of setup has number of important advantages (I definitely
wouldn't go back), you can access email remotely, from different MUAs
etc.

> >   the problem with text based MUAs is that you cannot see
> > folders/index/message at the same time... (AFAIK, haven't found it in
> > mutt or pine)
> 
> Right, AFAIK you can't do that in mutt. On the other hand, I don't find
> that essential. GKrellM shows me the number of new messages in each
> folder (if I'm working in X), and anyway moving back and forth between
> the folder index, message index, and message pager isn't so awful. Mutt
> shows messages at the bottom of the screen if new mail arrives in any
> folder, which helps.

  I guess, I still like to see it all at once... I guess I can open few
windows, each with it's own view:-)

  BTW the other annoying thing is that it requires password to IMAP
everytime I start it - is there a way to have passwordless access to
IMAP from mutt?

erik

Re: User process killer script..

[dman]

On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 12:44:38AM -0800, Petre Daniel wrote:

| I was thinking at a script run either from root's crontab that would check 
| all processes and if the users that started them are not logged in (here 
| i'm stucked) it would kill them all,or a inittab script that would be 
| spawned and the same thingie..process check and termination..
| Does anyone have any idea about some script that would perform such thing?

Yes, see below :

| At 12:01 PM 12/26/01 -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:

| >One system comes to mind.  I'll outline it and leave implementation to
| >Petre.
| >
| >
| >   - /usr/local/etc/noremote:  file of users who can't run processes
| > while not logged in.
| >
| >   - /usr/local/etc/noremoteprogs:  file of programs which can't run
| > while the controlling user is not logged in.
| >
| >   - Get a list of currently logged in users.
| >
| >   - Get a list of processes belonging to users in the 'noremote' list.
| >
| >   - Get a list of processes belonging to the 'noremoteprogs' list.
| >
| >   - Scrub both process lists against currently logged in users.
| >
| >   - Kill what's left.
| >
| >Test thoroughly before deploying.
| >
| >Implement as a regularly scheduled cron job, say, every 10-15 minutes.

Karsten has just described here the steps the script will need to do.
He has written it here in english, but left translating it (correctly)
to shell to you :-).

The simplest thing would be a daemon to monitor system load and then
report to you if the load is too high, then you manually go in and
correct it.

-D

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understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your
paths straight.
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Re: Email client programs

[Craig Dickson]

Lev Lvovsky wrote:

> why the insistence on fetchmail?

Without fetchmail or something like it, if your network is down when you
decide to run your mail client, you can't check your mail server for new
messages. Even if the network is up, you have to wait while the client
connects to the server and downloads all your new mail (which may take a
while).

With fetchmail, mail retrieval, filtering, and sorting is a background
task that the system can do whenever the network is up. When you start
your mail client, your mail is already there for you to read. Even if
the network is currently down, you'll have all your mail up to the point
that it went down.

Also, with fetchmail, you don't have to bother telling your mail client
about your POP or IMAP server -- it's one less thing to configure if you
happen to switch mail clients. Most of us don't do this very often, so
it's a minor point, but still nice.

I also like to run a local SMTP server, because then I can even send
mail when the network is down (though of course the local SMTP server
will have to queue outgoing mail until the network comes back up). With
both fetchmail and a local SMTP server, your MUA doesn't need to know
about any servers other than localhost, and doesn't have to be running
for your mail to come and go.

Craig

Re: Threading Mail

[Erik Steffl]

dman wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:21:53PM -0500, Brian Nelson wrote:
> 
> | Not true!  I switched from mutt to gnus.  It's IMAP support was too weak
> | for me,
> 
> IMAP in mutt is actually somewhat controversial.  The author doesn't
> really like it (mutt is _just_ a MUA), but there would be too much

  isn't it even more important for it to be a IMAP client? any other way
of working with email makes it a little bit more then MUA (or little bit
more then is neccessary).

  mail storage - separate tool (IMAP)
  mail filtering - separate tool (sieve, procmail)

  unix philosophy... as long as they all work together...

  IMO mutt is already trying too be too many things at once (granted,
they are all email related:-)

erik

Re: gcc conflicts with gcc-doc, gpc conflicts with gpc-doc

[dman]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:59:31PM +0200, Serafim Zanikolas wrote:
|Hello dear debian fellows!
| 
|Why does gcc-2.95 conflicts with gcc-doc?

It is the specific versions that conflict.  The packaging was
reorganized somewhat, but I don't remeber the details for those
packages.

-D

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it displays a dialog box and lets you press 'ok' first.

Re: Threading Mail

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.27.0208 +0100]:
> - no vi(m), unless viper-mode is adequate

mh. i forgot it's emacs...

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Re: easter eggs

[martin f krafft]

also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.27.0205 +0100]:
> awesome!!! but he doesn't use the console. i still installed it on all
> my servers for the users' pleasures ;)

xroach

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Re: man v. info

[dman]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:31:12PM +0100, Michael Mauch wrote:
 
| You might argue that I should use w3m or links to read those large HTML
| files - but then I would have to remember the keystrokes of these
| programs (i.e. I can't use my favourite browser) and I have to
| install/build these programs on other machines 

Well, yeah, but sometimes console-only is required.  In any case links
does an awesome job with javadoc docs.  Now if only I could use my
scroll wheel with it :-) (maybe I can, I haven't really tried).

| ((X)Emacs is everywhere).

Hmm,

$ dpkg -l \*emacs\* | grep "^ii"
$

I think I just found "nowhere" :-).

-D

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Re: Threading Mail

[Brian Nelson]

martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> also sprach Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.27.0037 +0100]:
> > > as a devoted pine user for years, and eudora for more before that, i
> > > concur that mutt rocks.  and you *can* (as martin points out) compose
> > > and read at the same time, all of which stay happily-synchonized with
> > > '$' if need be.
> > 
> > That requires a whole lot more effort than I'd like, though.  For
> > example, suppose I'm replying to a thread, but some of the previous
> > postings have been snipped and I want to check the parent of the
> > thread.  In order to do this in mutt, I'd have to open a new term and
> > launch mutt, go to the correct mailbox, search through all the mail I've
> > already read (can't sync with $ if I've already started composing), find
> > the correct thread, and finally read the parent post.
> 
> also a valid point.
> 
> > However, in an environment with multiple buffers (aka emacs), I can
> > seamlessly switch to the index buffer and immediately read the parent of
> > the thread, and then jump right back to the compose buffer.
> 
> well, you are doing every MUA and everything else unfair justice by
> comparing it to the emacs operating system ;^>
> 
> (noo, this isn't flame-bait!)
> 
> > I don't dislike mutt.  It's ok, and it gets the job done.  I just
> > don't think it's the holy grail of email readers, as many seem to
> > believe.  I can't help but think it's overrated.
> 
> true. and if you tell me that gnus (it was gnus that you use, right)
> can do
> 
>   - proper list management, incl. follow-up-to and others
>   - macros and keybinding
>   - hooks
>   - ldap integration
>   - gpg integration
>   - maildirs
>   - colors and control thereof
>   - proper locking and the ability to read the same mailbox locally
> and over an ssh connection (e.g. pine can't do that)
>   - lots of random configuration options to please the playful
>   - full control over the headers sent
> 
> then i'd love to give gnus a serious look...

I'm not sure what you mean by that ssh one, but gnus does do the
others.  It does have some drawbacks though, such as:

- configuration requires elisp hacking, is rather awkward and confusing,
  and takes a long time to get right
- no vi(m), unless viper-mode is adequate
- no multitasking (the emacs session is useless while checking
  mail/news)
- it likes to render HTML mail with w3 by default, which looks
  awful and is slw
- occasionally locks up emacs for me

It's not perfect, but it usually does what I want.  There are tons of
neat little built-in functions.  For example, if some turd doesn't wrap
their lines, just type "W w" and it's fixed.

-- 
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Re: Threading Mail

[martin f krafft]

also sprach dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.27.0154 +0100]:
> Well, fetchmail is easy enough -- you just write down what your
> mail account information is.  exim can be used in place of procmail
> (I'm using it now) as it has filter capability.  Have you gotten mutt
> to automatically put list mail in its own folder?

nope. i use procmail. would use exim because i love the syntax, but i
am addicted to postfix...

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Re: Email client programs

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Lev Lvovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.27.0144 +0100]:
> > Well, the MUA should not have to worry about retrieval from POP servers.
> > That's fetchmail's job. But certainly the MUA is the thing for
> > interactively moving mails from one folder to another.
> 
> why the insistence on fetchmail?

it's the unix philosophy -- let one program do its job and do it well,
let other programs use that...

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Re: easter eggs

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Romain Lerallut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.27.0136 +0100]:
> if you type 'sl' (usually instead of 'ls') you get a nice
> steam-powered ascii train rolling across your terminal.

awesome!!! but he doesn't use the console. i still installed it on all
my servers for the users' pleasures ;)

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Re: Where do you RTFM ?

[dman]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:38:07PM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote:
| dman wrote:
| ...
| > info2vim converter then I could be happy :-).  If you don't already
| > know : vim allows for hyper-links (start with :help) that can be
| > followed with ^] and ^T takes you back where you were before.
| 
|   and for those who really didn't know: you can 'hyperlink' your code
| (at least c, c++, perl, probably other languages as well) using *tags
| programs (etags for c/c++ and maybe others, ptags for perl).

The command is 'ctags', the package is "exuberant-ctags".  It supports
something like 15 languages now.  It's really cool.  See the project
site on Sourceforge if you want more details.

-D

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in us.
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Re: Threading Mail

[dman]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:21:53PM -0500, Brian Nelson wrote:
 
| Not true!  I switched from mutt to gnus.  It's IMAP support was too weak
| for me, 

IMAP in mutt is actually somewhat controversial.  The author doesn't
really like it (mutt is _just_ a MUA), but there would be too much
wailing and gnashing of teeth if it was removed.  Its present
existence is under the guise of just another folder format.

| and I didn't like the single window nature of it (you can't compose
| a message and read other mail at the same time).

This is the one significant issue I have with it.

-D

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Re: Threading Mail

[dman]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 09:58:11PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
| also sprach dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.26.2100 +0100]:
| > I recommend just using fetchmail intstead and having exim or procmail
| > sort the mail into folders for you.  The advantage of using
| > fetchmail+exim/procmail is that you can switch mailers all you want
| > and are not dependent on a given mailer's POP/IMAP and filter/sort
| > capabilities.  All they need is the ability to read a local folder.
| 
| yes, but you also need to learn a lot more software. while mutt
| already has quite a learning curve, fetchmail may be easy, exim
| moderate, but procmail (especially the debugging) can be quite a drag.
| easier if you can just rely on mutt...

Well, fetchmail is easy enough -- you just write down what your
mail account information is.  exim can be used in place of procmail
(I'm using it now) as it has filter capability.  Have you gotten mutt
to automatically put list mail in its own folder?

-D

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is that you do not belong to God.
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Re: Canon BJC-250

[Rich Rudnick]

On Wed, 2001-12-26 at 16:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Jack Dodds wrote:
> 
> > How can I configure it to print to my old Canon BJC-250 through a
> > standard (non-ECP) parallel port?
> 
> apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client cupsys-pstoraster
> cupsomatic-ppd
> 

Or replace cupsomatic-ppd with cupsys-driver-gimpprint; some claim it
provides better print quality on canon printers. It certainly does on my
hp940c.


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> from there on in.
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Motorola SM56 PCI modem question

[Steve Kieu]

Hi,

I found from linmodems.org that sm56 is supported; and
follow the link i  got the motorola page but it says
there are two types and they only have driver for
Motorola SM56 PCI modem (not speaker). I dont know if
I could use this driver ;

If anyone has used or any experience on that matter,
pls help

Thanks a lot


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Re: Email client programs

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Craig Dickson wrote:
> > the problem with text based MUAs is that you cannot see
> > folders/index/message at the same time... (AFAIK, haven't found it in
> > mutt or pine)
> 
> Right, AFAIK you can't do that in mutt. On the other hand, I don't find
> that essential. GKrellM shows me the number of new messages in each
> folder (if I'm working in X), and anyway moving back and forth between
> the folder index, message index, and message pager isn't so awful. Mutt
> shows messages at the bottom of the screen if new mail arrives in any
> folder, which helps.

Not to mention the fact that one can have as many instances of mutt open as
one wishes, to view/read multiple folders at the same time. And it will
still work fine over ssh links, which is a damn good thing for many people
:)

-- 
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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: Email client programs

[Lev Lvovsky]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Craig Dickson wrote:

> Well, the MUA should not have to worry about retrieval from POP servers.
> That's fetchmail's job. But certainly the MUA is the thing for
> interactively moving mails from one folder to another.

why the insistence on fetchmail?

-lev

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

[John Hasler]

> I know that many GNU tools have nice HTML and PS/PDF documents available
> on gnu.org, and the TOC resembles what I've seen in 'info'.

With good reason.  Try 'apt-cache show texinfo'.
-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

Re: easter eggs

[Erik Steffl]

martin f krafft wrote:
> 
> i am installing a debian system for my brother, and i need to pack it
> with easter eggs and weirdities to the brim. any hints? ;)
> 
> yes, this is satire.

  you need sl, you don't want to waste mistyped ls

erik

Re: easter eggs

[Romain Lerallut]

Thus spake martin f krafft on Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 01:17:03AM +0100:
> i am installing a debian system for my brother, and i need to pack it
> with easter eggs and weirdities to the brim. any hints? ;)

In case he ever uses console, you should install 'sl'

if you type 'sl' (usually instead of 'ls') you get a nice
steam-powered ascii train rolling across your terminal.

If you get a nice list of easter eggs, I'd be interested in
them, as I evangelize quite a lot of my friends.

:)

HTH, and happy new year !
Romain

Re: Email client programs

[Craig Dickson]

Erik Steffl wrote:

>   IMO the MUA should not handle storage of email, so this is a non an
> issue:-) [the real causality goes in the other way]

Well, the MUA should not have to worry about retrieval from POP servers.
That's fetchmail's job. But certainly the MUA is the thing for
interactively moving mails from one folder to another.

>   the problem with text based MUAs is that you cannot see
> folders/index/message at the same time... (AFAIK, haven't found it in
> mutt or pine)

Right, AFAIK you can't do that in mutt. On the other hand, I don't find
that essential. GKrellM shows me the number of new messages in each
folder (if I'm working in X), and anyway moving back and forth between
the folder index, message index, and message pager isn't so awful. Mutt
shows messages at the bottom of the screen if new mail arrives in any
folder, which helps.

Craig

"jumpstart" for debian?

[Lev Lvovsky]

is there any linux/debian equivalent of "jumpstart" as there is on
Solaris?

thanks,
-lev

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Re: Where do you RTFM ?

[Erik Steffl]

dman wrote:
...
> info2vim converter then I could be happy :-).  If you don't already
> know : vim allows for hyper-links (start with :help) that can be
> followed with ^] and ^T takes you back where you were before.

  and for those who really didn't know: you can 'hyperlink' your code
(at least c, c++, perl, probably other languages as well) using *tags
programs (etags for c/c++ and maybe others, ptags for perl).

erik

Re: where did zless go?

[Rick Pasotto]

On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 03:03:48PM -0500, Jerome Acks Jr wrote:
> Rick Pasotto wrote:
> 
> >Did a bunch of upgrading to woody yesterday and now find that
> >'zless' is missing. Which upgrade deleted it and why?
> 
> It's still in gzip package. Do you have gzip installed?

The problem was that it moved from /usr/bin/zless to /bin/zless and one
of my console shells still had it hashed to /usr/bin where it no longer
was.

If this change is mentioned in the changelog, I can't find it. Unless
it's included in the cryptic 'update to current policy.'

-- 
Every citizen who has produced or acquired a product should have
the option of applying it immediately to his own use or of
transferring it to whoever on the face of the earth agrees to
give him in exchange the object of his desires. To deprive him of
this option . . . solely to satisfy the convenience of another
citizen, is to legitimize an act of plunder and to violate the
law of justice.
-- Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)
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Re: Canon BJC-250

[iehrenwald]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Jack Dodds wrote:

> How can I configure it to print to my old Canon BJC-250 through a
> standard (non-ECP) parallel port?

apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client cupsys-pstoraster
cupsomatic-ppd

Add yourself to the lpadmin group, log out/in.  Open up a web
browser to localhost:631, enter your username/passwd.  It's pretty easy
from there on in.

Re: Email client programs

[Erik Steffl]

David Z Maze wrote:
> 
> Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ES> what's this netscpae 4.x bashing I see repeatedly? IMO it's a fairly
> ES> good email client, stable (well, as stable as browser and it's really
> ES> only stable when you disable java), has the main MUA features...
> 
> Issues with netscape mail at MIT:
> 
> -- It has that (in)famous Netscape stability, particularly if you have
>Java(script) enabled.

  yes, compared to other gui MUAs it's pretty stable though.

> -- Hard to migrate to other mail formats[1].

  yes (to [1]), it's mbox, but directories are handled in special way
(in netscape it appears you can put both mails and subfolders in folder
but in reality the mails are in file myfolder and subfolders are in
directory myfolder.sbd) - still works when using MUA that supports mbox
format just the illusion of folder having emails and subfolders goes
away.

  IMO the MUA should not handle storage of email, so this is a non an
issue:-) [the real causality goes in the other way]

> -- Bad, bad issues (e.g. eats your mailbox in an unrecoverable way) if
>you try to incorporate mail and you run over your account quota.
>(Less of an issue if you use IMAP, though.)

  never seen this but don't have quotas either. ran out of space few
times and nothing terrible happened (that was before I started to use
IMAP). do other programs handle this situation better? I imagine that
when program is writing a file and suddenly cannot write anymore it can
leave the file in funny state...

> -- Likes to send HTML mail.

  can be set up, as a default and for each recipient (in address book)
separately. you're right that the default should be plain text (IIRC
it's html).

> The student group I was part of that did unofficial support generally
> felt pity for people trying to use Netscape mail, especially when it
> hurt them.  The best combination between "blessed" and "pretty" seems
> to be exmh; pine's IMAP support seems to be very good, though, and
> recent versions of it seem to have some of the features (e.g. mail
> filtering) that other reputable MUAs have.  However, pine isn't
> included in Debian for licensing reasons (you can't redistribute
> binaries built from modified source).

  the problem with text based MUAs is that you cannot see
folders/index/message at the same time... (AFAIK, haven't found it in
mutt or pine)

erik

easter eggs

[martin f krafft]

i am installing a debian system for my brother, and i need to pack it
with easter eggs and weirdities to the brim. any hints? ;)

yes, this is satire. 

PS: no nori, you need not take further action...

-- 
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Canon BJC-250

[Jack Dodds]

I am new to Linux.  To get my feet wet I have installed Debian (stable)
on an old 486-50, upgraded with an Overdrive processor, with 24 MByte of
RAM and a 1 GB SCSI disk. It works slowly, but it works.

How can I configure it to print to my old Canon BJC-250 through a
standard (non-ECP) parallel port?

>From lurking here, I think I need cups, but I've been through the
dselect listings and I can't find cups anywhere.

I've also looked at the Debian website.  If I do a search on cups, I
find a description of the package, but if I look through the categorized
list   http://packages.debian.org/stable/  it doesn't seem to be listed
in any of the categories.  Am I missing something?

Is cups all that I need, or is there more?

Thanks to anyone who can guide me on this!

Jack Dodds

dpkg upgrade error

[David Gardi]

Hi,
I've just done an apt-get upgrade, and this is the error.

Unpacking replacement gkrellmms ...
Preparing to replace libdb2-util 2:2.7.7.0-2 (using 
.../libdb2-util_2%3a2.7.7.0-3_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libdb2-util_2%3a2.7.7.0-3_i386.deb (--unpack):

subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
Preparing to replace libruby 1.6.5-5 (using 
.../libruby_1.6.6-1_i386.deb) ...

Unpacking replacement libruby ...
Preparing to replace ruby 1.6.5-5 (using 
.../archives/ruby_1.6.6-1_i386.deb) ...

Unpacking replacement ruby ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/libdb2-util_2%3a2.7.7.0-3_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

Any ideas?
David.

Re: Threading Mail

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.27.0037 +0100]:
> > as a devoted pine user for years, and eudora for more before that, i
> > concur that mutt rocks.  and you *can* (as martin points out) compose
> > and read at the same time, all of which stay happily-synchonized with
> > '$' if need be.
> 
> That requires a whole lot more effort than I'd like, though.  For
> example, suppose I'm replying to a thread, but some of the previous
> postings have been snipped and I want to check the parent of the
> thread.  In order to do this in mutt, I'd have to open a new term and
> launch mutt, go to the correct mailbox, search through all the mail I've
> already read (can't sync with $ if I've already started composing), find
> the correct thread, and finally read the parent post.

also a valid point.

> However, in an environment with multiple buffers (aka emacs), I can
> seamlessly switch to the index buffer and immediately read the parent of
> the thread, and then jump right back to the compose buffer.

well, you are doing every MUA and everything else unfair justice by
comparing it to the emacs operating system ;^>

(noo, this isn't flame-bait!)

> I don't dislike mutt.  It's ok, and it gets the job done.  I just
> don't think it's the holy grail of email readers, as many seem to
> believe.  I can't help but think it's overrated.

true. and if you tell me that gnus (it was gnus that you use, right)
can do

  - proper list management, incl. follow-up-to and others
  - macros and keybinding
  - hooks
  - ldap integration
  - gpg integration
  - maildirs
  - colors and control thereof
  - proper locking and the ability to read the same mailbox locally
and over an ssh connection (e.g. pine can't do that)
  - lots of random configuration options to please the playful
  - full control over the headers sent

then i'd love to give gnus a serious look...

ps: mr. bignachos, you do know that your domain has troubles, right?

fishbowl:~/etc/mutt> host -t mx bignachos.com
bignachos.com   MX  10 h00a0cc56d269.ne.mediaone.net
bignachos.com   MX  20 .
 !!! bignachos.com MX host . has illegal name

use '@' instead of the '.' to refer to bignachos.com itself. now you
are making the root servers be your MX.

you do have four messages waiting in my postfix queue...

embryo postfix/smtp[1774]: warning: malformed domain name in
  resource data of MX record for bignachos.com: 
embryo postfix/smtp[1774]: D81AA116EB: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  relay=none, delay=2, status=deferred (bignachos.com:
  Malformed name server reply)

embryo:~# mailq
-Queue ID- --Size-- Arrival Time -Sender/Recipient---
E2D6511722 2829 Mon Dec 24 17:36:38  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  (bignachos.com: Malformed name server reply)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

D81AA116EB 2742 Mon Dec 24 14:55:24  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  (bignachos.com: Malformed name server reply)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

8551711723 2495 Mon Dec 24 18:08:17  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  (bignachos.com: Malformed name server reply)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

22C2B11724 2305 Mon Dec 24 18:10:25  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  (bignachos.com: Malformed name server reply)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-- 10 Kbytes in 4 Requests.

cheers,

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Re: Threading Mail

[Brian Nelson]

Nori Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> on Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:18:07PM +0100, marTin insinuated:
> > > and I didn't like the single window nature of it (you can't compose
> > > a message and read other mail at the same time).
> > 
> > but you can happily spawn two hundred separate instances and point
> > them wherever you like... it works just fine i find, it's lightweight,
> > and it's fast...
> > 
> > then again, i've never used anything else...
> 
> as a devoted pine user for years, and eudora for more before that, i
> concur that mutt rocks.  and you *can* (as martin points out) compose
> and read at the same time, all of which stay happily-synchonized with
> '$' if need be.

That requires a whole lot more effort than I'd like, though.  For
example, suppose I'm replying to a thread, but some of the previous
postings have been snipped and I want to check the parent of the
thread.  In order to do this in mutt, I'd have to open a new term and
launch mutt, go to the correct mailbox, search through all the mail I've
already read (can't sync with $ if I've already started composing), find
the correct thread, and finally read the parent post.

However, in an environment with multiple buffers (aka emacs), I can
seamlessly switch to the index buffer and immediately read the parent of
the thread, and then jump right back to the compose buffer.

Besides, I hate managing windows.  I don't want a bunch of terms running
mutt just so I can see more than one email at a time.  Just one window
should do, thank you.

I don't dislike mutt.  It's ok, and it gets the job done.  I just don't
think it's the holy grail of email readers, as many seem to believe.  I
can't help but think it's overrated.

-- 
Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://bignachos.com

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

[dman]

On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 02:44:17AM +0100, Carel Fellinger wrote:
...

I'm not sure where in the thread my comments belong so I'll put them
here.
 
| So what is it that makes you (and others) react so vehemently?

I've tried to use info a few times, and it is always difficult.  The
keybindings are unnatural to me -- I use vim, less, and bash regularly
(readline is set to "input-mode vi").  The info keys seem much more
like emacs (which I've used, but rejected in favor of vim).  Sometimes
I've managed to use it a bit, but other times it tells me there is no
link under the cursor (what, "Next" isn't a link!?).  I use man a lot
since I know the layout of a manpage and I can view it easily ('less').  

I think that info is ok for a book-like document.  I know that many
GNU tools have nice HTML and PS/PDF documents available on gnu.org,
and the TOC resembles what I've seen in 'info'.  I also like how the
reader has the choice (for HTML anyways) of one-massive-page,
one-page-per-chapter, or one-page-per-section.  I like the second for
on-line viewer and the first for printing.

If someone made decent manpages (for reference), _and_ if they made a
info2vim converter then I could be happy :-).  If you don't already
know : vim allows for hyper-links (start with :help) that can be
followed with ^] and ^T takes you back where you were before.

-D

-- 

He who belongs to God hears what God says.  The reason you do not hear
is that you do not belong to God.
John 8:47

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

[dman]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 02:49:40PM -0600, Colin Watson wrote:
| On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 03:25:09PM -0500, David Teague wrote:
| > I LIKE emacs. We were using vi as our only text editor with System V
| > machines in the late 80s. I found and installed Emacs, within one
| > week everyone on my faculty was using emacs.
| 
| Given a 1980s-era vi, I'd probably have gone for emacs too. Unbound
| cursor keys, single-level undo, counter-intuitive screen updates with
| 'c', no backspace across line endings or even the point where you
| started the current round of insertion, etc.
| 
| Fortunately vi implementations like vim have moved on considerably since
| then. While they share vi's basic interface, its heritage of user
| interface bugs is barely recognizable. I find traditional vi quite a
| mental jolt now.

I agree with this.  My first encounter with 'vi' was /bin/vi on
Solaris systems.  According to :version it is real vi, not a clone.
It is fine for tweaking your shell config, but not for writing code.
I tended to use nedit because it wasn't _too_ slow over a dialup and
many times better than effielbench (yeah, I learned eiffel my first
year at school, fall of '98).

Later I taught myself emacs (with help from Harley Hahn's book).
However the following quarter I had to use win95 systems on which we
were not "allowed" to install software.  vim fit on a floppy so I used
it (better that DOS "edit").  I learned how to configure vim to be
very comfortable, and I found the vi-style commands easier to
remember.

Now my IDE consists of vim in combination with a Unix environment
(cygwin if it must be).

-D

-- 

What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his
soul?  Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?
Mark 8:36-37

Re: connecting to a debian box with networking via dchp

[Ray]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 01:07:12PM -0500, Faheem Mitha wrote:
> 
> Dear People,
> 
> I set up the networking for a Debian box via dchp. The setup asks for a
> host and that is all. No domain name was asked for.

Right, DHCP can feed your machine everything it needs to know about the
network.

> The internet link is
> running, but how do I connect to the box via ssh from outside? I've looked
> at various bits of documentation including the DCHP howto, but they all
> seem focused on getting the connection up, which I had no problems with.
> Also, is it true that I can call the hostname anything I like?

You could but reverse DNS won't work right and some services/computers may
not talk to you.  This is actually pretty rare but it could happen.  

 
> This machine is part of the Unversity of North Carolina network. According
> to the windows setup it has a domain name (some_gibberish.unc.edu) and
> host name (SM103C27513) attached to it. I obediently named my box
> SM103C27513 (ugh) and tried pinging SM103C27513.some_gibberish.unc.edu but
> predicably got no reply.

You tried this from where?  Inside the university or outside?  What's the
output of ifconfig look like?

> 
> One way to resolve this of course would not to use DCHP but use a static
> IP address, domain etc. But would this be better or worse?

That won't help you.  Is there another machine near you that you can check? 
If you can find out it's hostname, domain name, and IP address you should
try pinging it.  You should also try pinging your machine from this other
nearby machine using your IP address (as displayed in ifconfig) rather than
your host name.

-- 
Ray

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Re: User process killer script..

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Petre Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.27.0944 +0100]:
> Perhaps you have too much free time on yourself..i don't.

karsten has 56 hours per day. i empirically verified that.

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Re: Email client programs

[David Z Maze]

Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
ES> what's this netscpae 4.x bashing I see repeatedly? IMO it's a fairly
ES> good email client, stable (well, as stable as browser and it's really
ES> only stable when you disable java), has the main MUA features...

Issues with netscape mail at MIT:

-- It has that (in)famous Netscape stability, particularly if you have
   Java(script) enabled.

-- Hard to migrate to other mail formats[1].

-- Bad, bad issues (e.g. eats your mailbox in an unrecoverable way) if
   you try to incorporate mail and you run over your account quota.
   (Less of an issue if you use IMAP, though.)

-- Likes to send HTML mail.

The student group I was part of that did unofficial support generally
felt pity for people trying to use Netscape mail, especially when it
hurt them.  The best combination between "blessed" and "pretty" seems
to be exmh; pine's IMAP support seems to be very good, though, and
recent versions of it seem to have some of the features (e.g. mail
filtering) that other reputable MUAs have.  However, pine isn't
included in Debian for licensing reasons (you can't redistribute
binaries built from modified source).

[1] The "supported" mail tool here is MH, though, so the really
important thing is "it's hard to turn your mail from whatever format
Netscape uses into an MH folder".  For all I know Netscape might very
well use the standard mbox format for its mail, which would actually
work reasonably well for most other purposes.

-- 
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/
"Theoretical politics is interesting.  Politicking should be illegal."
-- Abra Mitchell

Re: Threading Mail

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:18:07PM +0100, marTin insinuated:
> > and I didn't like the single window nature of it (you can't compose
> > a message and read other mail at the same time).
> 
> but you can happily spawn two hundred separate instances and point
> them wherever you like... it works just fine i find, it's lightweight,
> and it's fast...
> 
> then again, i've never used anything else...

as a devoted pine user for years, and eudora for more before that, i
concur that mutt rocks.  and you *can* (as martin points out) compose
and read at the same time, all of which stay happily-synchonized with
'$' if need be.



<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>--
-http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~nori/jnl/daily.html

Re: User process killer script..

[Petre Daniel]

its a normal linuxbox,with ssh shell access and system tools access to 
everyone.
no need to correct me if it has nothing to do with debian,and its Daniel 
not Petre.

Perhaps you have too much free time on yourself..i don't.
I was thinking at a script run either from root's crontab that would check 
all processes and if the users that started them are not logged in (here 
i'm stucked) it would kill them all,or a inittab script that would be 
spawned and the same thingie..process check and termination..

Does anyone have any idea about some script that would perform such thing?

At 12:01 PM 12/26/01 -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:

on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:34:53AM -0800, Petre Daniel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

> Ok, i promise next year i'll take a look on the many shell scripting
> tutorials,

...see also the -Key HOWTO, and the Spacing-After-Punctuation
Mini-HOWTOs.

> but until then i need a script that checks periodically for processes
> belonging to users not presently logged in and kills them.  Like
> someone would leave a wget in background..and i want it after the user
> logs out to be killed ;-)) you get the point..  thx again

  - How are users logging into the box?  Shell access, remote X11, local
console?  Is this a classroom setting?

  - How are users running "background" processes?  Shell job control,
'nohup', batch, at, or cron?

  - What users are allowed to (not) run processes when they're not
logged in directly.  I'd suggest you list these explicitly.

  - Are there reasons to run processes, or processes which can be run,
while a user's not at the console or actively logged in?  Compiling,
long downloads, scientific programming, or other types of processing
may be legitimate.  There are tools (ulimit, quota, nice) which can
be used to restrict use of resources.  Using system scheduling tools
(cron, batch, at) can help level out system load on shared systems.

I'd strongly recommend you learn the rudiments of shell scripting.

To get a list of logged-in users, 'w' or 'who'.  Filter through sed,
awk, or perl to get the userid, and sort/uniq to get a distinct list.

To kill all a users' processes, there's the 'slay' command.  For more
prejudicial use, I'd recommend 'kill' against an offensive-processes
list.  Netscape comes to mind as particularly ill-behaved.

One system comes to mind.  I'll outline it and leave implementation to
Petre.


  - /usr/local/etc/noremote:  file of users who can't run processes
while not logged in.

  - /usr/local/etc/noremoteprogs:  file of programs which can't run
while the controlling user is not logged in.

  - Get a list of currently logged in users.

  - Get a list of processes belonging to users in the 'noremote' list.

  - Get a list of processes belonging to the 'noremoteprogs' list.

  - Scrub both process lists against currently logged in users.

  - Kill what's left.

Test thoroughly before deploying.

Implement as a regularly scheduled cron job, say, every 10-15 minutes.

Peace.

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gcc conflicts with gcc-doc, gpc conflicts with gpc-doc

[Serafim Zanikolas]

   Hello dear debian fellows!

   Why does gcc-2.95 conflicts with gcc-doc?  They don't share any
common files ... The same applies to gpc and gpc-doc (which i've
installed using ``dpkg -i --force-things conflicts gpc-doc'').

morfeas:~# apt-get -s install gcc-doc
Reading Package Lists...
Building Dependency Tree...
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  anjuta g++ g++-2.95 gcc gcc-2.95 gpc gpc-2.95 libltdl0-dev
  libstdc++2.10-dev
libtool
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  gcc-doc
  The following held packages will be changed:
anjuta
0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 10 to remove and 10  not
upgraded.
Remv anjuta (0.1.8-1 Debian:testing)
Remv g++ (2:2.95.4-9 Debian:testing) [g++-2.95 ]
Remv g++-2.95 (1:2.95.4-0.011006 Debian:testing)
[libstdc++2.10-dev ]
Remv libstdc++2.10-dev (1:2.95.4-0.011006 Debian:testing)
Remv libltdl0-dev (1.3.5-5 )
Remv libtool (1.4.2-3 Debian:testing)
Remv gpc-2.95 (1:2.95.4-0.011006 Debian:testing) [gpc ]
Remv gpc (2:2.95.4-9 Debian:testing)
Remv gcc (2:2.95.4-9 Debian:testing) [gcc-2.95 ]
Remv gcc-2.95 (1:2.95.4-0.011006 Debian:testing)
Inst gcc-doc (1:2.95.2-20 Debian:testing)
Conf gcc-doc (1:2.95.2-20 Debian:testing)

TIA!

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http://www.it.teithe.gr/~serzan Debian GNU/Linux

Re: newbie struggling to upgrade kernel

[Serafim Zanikolas]

On Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 09:53:40AM +, Simon R Tod wrote:
> Thanks. I'd really appreciate a step by step guide to getting everything
> running smoothly again.
> 
   Hello Simon!

   # apt-get install newbiedoc lilo-doc

   (from the newbiedoc package description)

Current release includes:
  - Introduction to 'apt-get'
  - DocBook guides and documentation for writing doc for Newbiedoc
  - Using 'grep'
  - Installing and configuring hardware
  - Finding help on a Debian system
  - Text editors: JOE and vi
--->  - Compiling kernels the Debian way
  - Managing processes
  - Using runlevels
  - Configuring exim
> 
> -- 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

HTH,

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Re: ide tape errors

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Jerome Acks Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.23.2021 +0100]:
> To get my ide tape to work, I had to add
> 
> append="hdc=ide-scsi"
> 
> to lilo.conf.

that did change things. now when i insert a tape, it takes a lot
longer to stop the motors after the initial winding, but now neither
of /dev/nht0, /dev/ht0, /dev/nst0, and /dev/st0 let me access the
drive. and the same applies for numbers 1-3...

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GCS/IT d- s: a-- C++() UL+++() P+ L+++ E--- W- N+ o?
K? !w O- M- V PS+(+++) PE-- Y+ PGP++ t- !5 !X R-(+) !tv b+(++)
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Re: problems with eth0 set-up

[Rachel Andrew]

How exactly are you pinging?  Something like ping 192.168.0.XXX or ping
myhost.mydomain.com?  What exactly are the results when you try?


neither work - my gateway for instance is 10.0.0.10

if I ping that (I then have to ctrl-C out of it):
10.0.0.10 ping statistics 
4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss

I've posted the relevant ifconfig, route -n in my previous post.

Rachel

help: LSR safety check engaged!

[Saqib Shaikh]

Hi Listers,

I recently installed Debian 2.2R4 on my Dell Inspiron 3800 laptop which has
a Pion Gold Card PCMCIA modem.  During installation I wanted to update the
base system using PPP, so I went through PPPSetup successfully, and it told
me that it found the modem on /dev/ttyS1.  This didn't surprise me - I have
a single serial port and therefore the second serial port must be the PCMCIA
card.

After running Debian happily for a few days I got the latest kernel source,
2.4.17 from kernel.org, and recompiled my kernel including PCMCIA and PPP
support.  When I boot up the computer beeps to say that it found my modem.
However when I typed pon to initialise PPP I got the error message:
ttyS1: LSR safety check engaged!
printed out twice.  The prompt didn't return, but when I hit enter I was
returned to the prompt.  Does anyone have any idea why this happens and how
I can get PPP working?  I have included part of my /var/log/messages file
which I think may be of use.

Thanks very much with any help.

Regards, Saqib Shaikh
Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web site www.saqibshaikh.com

Dec 26 22:02:42 debian kernel: ttyS1: LSR safety check engaged!
Dec 26 22:02:42 debian kernel: ttyS1: LSR safety check engaged!
Dec 26 22:02:42 debian kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: excluding
0xcf8-0xcff
Dec 26 22:02:42 debian kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff: excluding
0x800-0x84f 0x860-0x86f
Dec 26 22:02:42 debian kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding
0x378-0x37f 0x4d0-0x4d7
Dec 26 22:02:42 debian kernel: cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean.

Re: problems with eth0 set-up

[Rachel Andrew]

 On the other hand if your ISDN Router is expecting a "static" IP and 
eth0 is setup to use dhcp, then you probably should change it to use a 
"static" IP in /etc/network/interfaces.  Again, you will have to have 
some "good" DNS servers listed in /etc/resolv.conf.


I have it set up with a static IP on the network, I'm not using DHCP at all.


If you have other machines on the network and can ping them by IP number 
(the gateway after it comes up in "route" is a good one to try) but not by 
name, then this is almost diagnostic of improper DNS servers.  If you 
cannot ping even the gateway, then something is wrong with the NIC 
setup.  I doesn't sound like this is the case here, though.


I can't ping even the gateway by number, and I can't ping that box either 
from any other machine



The results of "ifconfig", "route" and "lsmod" commands would be helpful 
in diagnosing the problem.  Also a copy of your /etc/network/interfaces 
file would be helpful.


ifconfig:
eth0Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:CC:5E:69:C1
inet addr: 10.0.0.16 Bcast: 10.0.0.255 Mask 255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU: 1500 Metric:1
RX Packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX Packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
Interrupt:11 Base Address:0xdc00

lo  Link encap: Local loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask 255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1
RX Packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX Packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100

route:
Kernel IP Routing Table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
10.0.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U   0   0   0 
eth0

0.0.0.0 10.0.0.10   0.0.0.0 UG  0   0   0   eth0


lsmod:
Module  SizeUsed By
nls_cp437   38800 (autoclean)
pcmcia_core 44896   0
ide_floppy  85280
tulip   28920   1
unix11336   7 (autoclean)

/etc/network/interfaces
iface eth0 inet static
address: 10.0.0.16
netmask: 255.255.255.0
network: 10.0.0.0
broadcast: 10.0.0.255
gateway: 10.0.0.10

Re: Email client programs

[Lev Lvovsky]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Craig Dickson wrote:

> Brian Nelson wrote:
>
> > > ... but I don't think I could get our users to go over to a non-GUI
> > > program.
> >
> > Why is that?  Because they've bought into the marketing pitch that
> > pretty graphics == better software?  That's bullshit.  There's no good
> > reason any user couldn't become more proficient with a text-mode client.
>
> What I've found in trying to get GUI-dependent people to use mutt is
> that they resist having to memorize a bunch of keystroke commands (no
> matter how easy, and despite the fact that the most common ones are
> listed at the top of the screen!). They'd rather point and click; they
> know how to do that already, and they don't see why they should go to
> the (minimal) bother of learning a keyboard-based UI. This isn't an
> intelligence problem, either; some of these people are quite bright, but
> they don't see learning mutt as worth their bother when good GUI
> alternatives exist. And Sylpheed is actually pretty good; if I didn't
> need a text-based interface (for accessing my mail in an ssh session
> across the internet, on a slow enough connection that X forwarding is
> out of the question), I might use it myself. But since I need a
> text-mode MUA, I use mutt.

agreed.  pretty graphics have nothing to do with better software.  same
thing with text-based interfaces - neither is a clencher in the argument,
the underlying design is.

that being said, there are people that *gasp* don't want to learn anything
new in order to use a computer.  some people don't delve nearly as far
into it as we do, and use a computer merely as a tool.  same can be said
with me, and tax forms vs. an accountant.

-lev

RE: installing debian with pppoe

[justin cunningham]

I did this before with potato and pppoe setup is part of the install
setup-- it worked fine.  Just make sure you have your credentials and
access number handy i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Password xxx access number to
dial.

justin

-Original Message-
From: Vadim Kutsyy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 10:39 PM
To: Debian-User
Subject: installing debian with pppoe

I need to install debian on computer connected to internet via pppoe.  I
always installed debian via FTP, but I don't know how to configure
installation with pppoe.

Any recommendation?

Vadim Kutsyy, PhD
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Threading Mail

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.26.2221 +0100]:
> Not true!  I switched from mutt to gnus.  It's IMAP support was too
> weak for me,

yes, IMAP is not a strength. but then again, an IMAP client isn't
really a MUA on the same scale of interpretation that mutt without
IMAP is one...

> and I didn't like the single window nature of it (you can't compose
> a message and read other mail at the same time).

but you can happily spawn two hundred separate instances and point
them wherever you like... it works just fine i find, it's lightweight,
and it's fast...

then again, i've never used anything else...

> Mutt's ok.  It does the important things right, but otherwise is
> rather mediocre.

it's a MUA that already features a POP3 client and some IMAP. that's
overkill. when you see a MUA as a mailer that doesn't simply
communicate with the real backend through IMAP, then it's the best
thing out there... IMHO.

let's not start a flame war ;)

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www and ftp site

[Petre Daniel]

I have a www directory structure in /hosting of 2,7 Gb.I have additional 
partitions of another 6 Gb.
Can i somehow link the free space on other partitions to be used and seen 
when browsing my ftp and www site?

i use apache  and proftpd..

Petre L. Daniel,System Administrator
Canad Systems Pitesti Romania,
http://www.cyber.ro, email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel:+4048220044, +4048206200

Re: problems with eth0 set-up

[Ray]

On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 12:34:00PM +, Rachel Andrew wrote:
> 
> I can ping the card and the machine name from itself but I can't ping my 
> gateway (ISDN router) or any other machines on the network and I can't ping 
> this box from any other machine.

How exactly are you pinging?  Something like ping 192.168.0.XXX or ping
myhost.mydomain.com?  What exactly are the results when you try?  

Also could you include the results of ifconfig and route -n ?


-- 
Ray

Re: change ethernet to ppp, routing

[k l u r t]

On Wednesday 26 December 2001 01:24 pm, Ric Otte wrote:
> Yep, I did mean to write that I want to connect to the Internet with ppp,
> instead of "I want to connect to the ethernet with ppp".  Basically I'm
> wanting to use the machine at home instead of my office.  I'm sorry for the
> confusion.
>
> SO, if I need to delete the default route to the internet via my ethernet
> card, how do I do that?  Do I use
>'route del eth0'
> or do I need to type something like:
>'route del netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0'
> I've never used the command 'route' before, but it looks to me like it is
> the one that will add or delete routes.  Thanks,
>
> Ric
>
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 11:29:28AM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> > klurt writes:
> > > you need to use PPPoE
> >
> > I think that he intended to write "I want to connect to the Internet with
> > ppp" rather than "I want to connect to the ethernet with ppp".

hmm.. sorry... i be confused.

i thought you were trying to use adsl w/ pppoe...
but i think to solve your problem, you would want to take a look at your 
/etc/network/interfaces - you could use route, but you would have to route 
del everytime you wanted to connect.  I'm assuming that in your   
/etc/network/interfaces is a configuration for your office's LAN on eth0.  
you would want to comment that out or just remove it completely. then if you 
wanted to use your eth0 for your local LAN, you can config  
/etc/network/interfaces for such a need... kinda like this:
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
 address 192.168.1.1 -> or use whatever addy you want
 network 192.168.1.0
 netmask 255.255.255.0
 broadcast 192.168.1.255
#or to use dhcp 
#iface eth0 inet dhcp

i hope this helps solve the confusion and not add to it..
- k l u r t

RE: Where to slice a 2 gig drive ?

[justin cunningham]

This may be of good use to you.  The whole book is online and answers a
lot of similar questions.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/ch02_01.html

justin

-Original Message-
From: Karsten M. Self [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 3:44 PM
To: Debian Users
Subject: Re: Where to slice a 2 gig drive ?

on Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 02:39:39PM -0500, lee ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Ok..I'm fairly new to linux and extremely new to debian (was mandrake
> 8.1)..I'm attempting to install 2.2r2 on a 2 gig drive here and not
> really sure where to carve this drive up. I'm planning on using this
> box as a proxy for 6 other machines (combo of linux/98se). Linux docs
> has a few articles on this but I thought I'd come straight to the
> horses mouth to learn what might be best :-)

2 GB is a bit on the smallish side.  If you're using it as a proxy, I'd
probably set up /, /tmp, /usr, and /var as separate partitions.
Depending on what proxy services you're offering, you might want to make
/var the bulk of the partitions (squid, ferexample, dumps its cache
there).

My base suggestions are at:

http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/partition.html

I'd modify these as follows:

/100 MB
64  -   128 MB
/tmp  50 MB
/usr 300  -   600 MB
/var1,200 - 1,400+ MB

Note I'm not allocating /home, /boot, or /usr/local.

Rationale:  This is a server, /home isn't particularly needed.  The
gains of creating separate /boot and /usr/local partitions are also
small (though a 16-24MB /boot partition wouldn't significantly cut into
available storage).  /usr needn't be too large, and limiting installed
software likely increases system security.  Providing ample storage to
/var allows both for package updating (unless the archives are remotely
hosted via NFS on another system in the network), and allows ample
storage for caching proxies such as squid.

Peace.

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Re: Email client programs

[Craig Dickson]

Brian Nelson wrote:

> > ... but I don't think I could get our users to go over to a non-GUI
> > program.
> 
> Why is that?  Because they've bought into the marketing pitch that
> pretty graphics == better software?  That's bullshit.  There's no good
> reason any user couldn't become more proficient with a text-mode client.

What I've found in trying to get GUI-dependent people to use mutt is
that they resist having to memorize a bunch of keystroke commands (no
matter how easy, and despite the fact that the most common ones are
listed at the top of the screen!). They'd rather point and click; they
know how to do that already, and they don't see why they should go to
the (minimal) bother of learning a keyboard-based UI. This isn't an
intelligence problem, either; some of these people are quite bright, but
they don't see learning mutt as worth their bother when good GUI
alternatives exist. And Sylpheed is actually pretty good; if I didn't
need a text-based interface (for accessing my mail in an ssh session
across the internet, on a slow enough connection that X forwarding is
out of the question), I might use it myself. But since I need a
text-mode MUA, I use mutt.

Craig

Re: problems with eth0 set-up

[Donald R. Spoon]

Rachel Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


further to that last email, I just did:

route

and while localnet appears immediately, the default gateway takes about 5 
minutes to appear. When it does appear it looks correct (as compared to my 
other box with a similar configuration) however I still have no access into 
or out of this box.


Rachel

--snip-- <



Rachel,

Most of the times I have seen this sort of behaviour, It has been due to 
an incorrect DNS lookup.  The DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf don't have 
any idea about the IP number requested and "times-out".  Five minutes is 
a bit long for this process, however.


Another possiblility is that you have eht0 setup to use dhcp and it is 
trying to get an IP assignment from a dhcp server, and it the server) is 
NOT responding.  Once again the 5 minute delay is a "time-out" from the 
dhcp server...which also will try to set your DNS servers in 
/etc/resolv.conf depending on the dhcp client you are using.


You have not given us much info about your hardware setup, so it is hard 
to determine the EXACT cause.  If your ISDN router is also doing Network 
Address Translation (NAT), and is supposed to be a dhcp server, it 
"should" work if you have eth0 setup to use dhcp.  The main suspect here 
would be the DNS settings in /etc/resolve.conf.  On the other hand if 
your ISDN Router is expecting a "static" IP and eth0 is setup to use 
dhcp, then you probably should change it to use a "static" IP in 
/etc/network/interfaces.  Again, you will have to have some "good" DNS 
servers listed in /etc/resolv.conf.


If you have other machines on the network and can ping them by IP number 
(the gateway after it comes up in "route" is a good one to try) but not 
by name, then this is almost diagnostic of improper DNS servers.  If you 
cannot ping even the gateway, then something is wrong with the NIC 
setup.  I doesn't sound like this is the case here, though.


The results of "ifconfig", "route" and "lsmod" commands would be helpful 
in diagnosing the problem.  Also a copy of your /etc/network/interfaces 
file would be helpful.


Cheers,
-Don Spoon-