Re: Global variables

[dman]

On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 12:26:21AM -0400, Oleg wrote:
| On Saturday 01 June 2002 12:10 am, Maya wrote:
| > Thank you for the prompt reply.
| >
| > Actually what I'd like to know is the following: If '.bashrc' and
| > '.profile' are responsible for setting the individual users variables and
| > '/etc/profile' the global variables, why is it that if I set variables only
| > in the '/etc/profile', thus making them global, they are not viewed by the
| > system.

| > Could you please explain to me what I am doing wrong or if I had forgotten
| > something?
| 
| add the following to /ect/profile
| 
| export MY_VARIABLE=bla1
| 
| then log in as user. And I mean _log in_, don't just open a window shell. Do
| 
| env | grep MY_VARIABLE
| 
| if it doesn't show 
| 
| MY_VARIABLE=bla1
| 
| then you do indeed have a problem

Yes -- the problem is the user's .profile doesn't source the system
one.  It isn't automagically sourced.

Make sure the user's .profile looks like this :

if [ -f /etc/profile ] ; then
. /etc/profile
fi

if [ -f $HOME/.bashrc ] ; then
. $HOME/.bashrc
fi

and make sure their .bashrc looks like this :

if [ -f /etc/bash.bashrc ] ; then
. /etc/bash.bashrc
fi


-D

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Re: Debian ports [was: Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"]

[Brian Nelson]

Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Brian Nelson wrote:
>> Presumably, woody's release has been delayed for months due to
>> problems with hppa while devs tried to find access to an hppa machine
>> for testing.
>
> That's a rather odd presumption. Do you real debian-devel-announce? You
> can find out exactly what kept debian from releasing on any given month.
> Hint: You won't find any desperate calls for hppa machines since all
> debian developers have ready access to them.

Well, I'm not a dev and I could be wrong, but I seem to remember lots
and lots of RC bugs a few months ago were due to packages failing to
build on hppa.  Looking at the old RC bug reports, this appears to be
true.  Since all of those bugs had to be fixed, I can only assume it
took quite a lot of time and delayed the release.

And, having remote access to a machine isn't the same as having one
sitting on your desk.  Using a machine remotely is a pain, especially if
you have a slow connection, there's a lot of latency, the machine is
under heavy load, etc.

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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Dale Hair]

On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 23:35, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:38:22PM -0500, Dale Hair wrote:
> 
> > I once had a power problem, called the power co. to tell them the
> > transformer on the pole had a red light glowing, they told me that meant
> > the transformer had a problem and they would send someone to look at it.
> > Two years later I moved and the transformer still had that red light.
> 
> Actually, I think that's a "power" light.  I always see them glowing
> when power is available, and never when it's not.  You got schwinged.[1]
> 
> > For those two years I had two cheap UPS that would beep at the same time
> > several times a day.  So I say a power conditioner ahead of the UPS or
> > built-in is the best.
> 
> Wow, remarkably craptastic power there...
> 
> [1] [Telephone tech support]  The sound a call makes after you've blown
> off a customer you don't want to deal with or mislead an idiot for the
> sake of the rest of humanity.  Compare plonk, see also permahold.

The power lines feeding the all the houses on the street are fed from
the same line, powered from multiple transformers in parallel , one for
every four houses.  Only one transformer had a red light and I was
setting outside when I saw it come on.  I am a master electrician and a
consultant to many companies.


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Re: location of Maildir - /var/mail or ~/Maildir?

[dman]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 02:06:25PM -0500, Roach, Mark R. wrote:
| I know this might be a religious matter, but is there a good reason for
| maildirs to go in ~/Maildir?

DJB thinks that is the only way.

| This seems to be the only way courier will
| handle things,

Yeah, unfortunately.  You could either recompile it with a different
setting, hack up the startup script to pick somewhere else to root the
search, or use a symlink named ~/Maildir to point the the real
location.

| but I would like to be able to mount /var/mail from my
| mail server on my other systems so I can read mail without imap being
| involved (grep'ing, etc).

Nice idea.
 
| I see that with authuserdb, I can specify /var/mail for the Maildir, but
| I would prefer to not have to keep a separate password database just for
| imap. (I am currently using pam to authenticate against my ldap
| directory). 

Hmm, is authuserdb a separate db or can it plug into LDAP?  IIRC
courier can authenticate against LDAP.
 
| Does anyone have any suggestions on what "the one right way" to do
| things is? should all mail be accessed via imap, should the mail server
| mount the users' home directories, or some other, better option that I
| am too dense to think of :) ?

The Right Way is for the imap server to be as flexible as the MTA is.
Unfortunately neither courier nor uw-imap are that flexible.
(Actually, I think uw is, but it's compile-time config).

(I haven't actually solved the imap problem myself, and have postponed
it because I don't have any users using it)

HTH,
-D

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Re: [release+kernel] upgrade headache

[Jerome Acks Jr]

On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 03:19:08AM +0100, Tom Barnes-Lawrence wrote:
[snip]
> After about a page of the kernel bootup messages, I got:
> 
> request_module[block-major-8]:Root fs not mounted
> VFS: Cannot open root device "801" or 08:01
> Please append a correct "root=" boot option
> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01

If you are using a debian stock kernel, try adding the module for your
scsi card, scsi_mod, sg, etc. to /etc/modules. Check /boot/config-2.2.x
to see which modules were compiled into your previous kernel.

Alternative: install the 2.4 kernel source deb and compile in support
for your scsi card. If you compile your own kernel, you don't need to
use initrd.


[snip]
> I was truly fuming *then* because there hadn't been the
> slightest indication that I could see that the kernel package I
> chose would *not* support booting from SCSI, like my old kernel
> packages were able to do.

2.4 stock kernels are highly modularized. Modules that were compiled
into the 2.2 kernels now have to be loaded--hence the initrd. 

[snip]
> -(1) The package (or *one* package) should have been set up to be
> able to boot properly without user intervention;
> -(2) The mkinitrd docs seem hard to follow;
> -(3) Having used mkinitrd several times, trying various things with
> its config files, I *still* cannot get an initrd image that will
> get the kernel to boot. It does appear that the advansys.o,
> scsi_mod.o, sd_mod.o, ext2.o files *are* already in the image- but
> the kernel doesn't seem interested in loading them.
The kernel installation scripts should create the initrd image you
need, However, you will need to tell the kernel what modules need to be
loaded.

[snip]

HTH
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Re: Possible anti-spam reject host

[dman]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 08:31:28PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
| On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 08:54:25PM -0500, Gary Turner wrote:

| What gets me is RBL bounces provide information on what happened,
| give you a URL for more information *and* an email address to bitch
| at.

Actually, only the decent mail servers do this.  The RBL does nothing
except respond to DNS queries (and provide decent data in the TXT RR).
It is up to the mail server to give that data back in the bounce.
Most do this, but there are some (worthless) ones that don't give any
useful data in the bounce.

| > This subject has knotted my shorts from time to time for quite a while
| > and this thread brought out the soap box.  This may be less off topic
| > than "The Big Book of Brewing," but I appreciate your indulgence.
| 
| Mail abuse in general has been knotting my shorts for a few years now, I
| think I've found the perfect blend of RBLs that cuts most of the crap.

sa-exim :-).

http://marc.merlins.org/linux/exim/sa.html

-D 

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Re: Possible anti-spam reject host

[dman]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 08:54:25PM -0500, Gary Turner wrote:
[much snippage]
| I went to dsbl.org and found that they tested
| positive for multi-hop and unconfirmed for single-hop.

Actually, that's not what "unconfirmed" means.  "Unconfirmed" simply
means that someone who isn't 'trusted' caused the listing to occur.
One shouldn't be rejecting based on entries in "unconfirmed" (just in
case some luser blacklists their own ISP or some such).

| On the multi-hop, some company in OK, a dsl customer of swbell.net,
| was the actual open relayer.

Yep, that's the definition of "multi-hop".  You choose whether or not
that is valid criteria for rejecting mail.

| Obviously, swbell is going to relay his mail, no?

No.  Only if they choose to.  They _could_ be checking an "inputs" RBL
and denying them the ability to abuse the swbell system like that.

| I have a whole sh*t pot full of filter defs.

Spamassassin is much more effective than that.

-D

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Re: "mplayer -vo xvidix" problems with sudo

[Oleg]

On Saturday 01 June 2002 12:04 am, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Could it be the difference in $PATH between the 2 commands?

What do you mean? There's only one executable 'mplayer' and only one 'sudo'.

I also added /usr/bin/id to the list of commands I can run as root, and it 
printed "uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)" - same as after `su`. So 
just don't see where in theory the difference in behaviour could come from.

Oleg

P.S. Let's exclude the possibility that the program checks for $SUDO_UID and 
refuses to run on purpose.


> On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 14:38, Oleg wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > The only way I can get mplayer to work as well as or better than its
> > Windows counterpart on my hardware is by using "-vo xvidix" option that
> > requires superuser privileges,  so I added
> >
> > oleg ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/mplayer *
> >
> > to /etc/sudoers. Now "sudo mplayer -vo xvidix file_name" starts (no
> > permission problems), but fails with these errors:
> >
> >  errors when running with sudo
> >
> > No vidix driver name provided, probing available ones!
> > vosub_vidix: Couldn't find working VIDIX driver
> > Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device!
> > ---end
> >
> > Surprisingly, however, after doing "su" instead of using sudo, everything
> > works fine (output below). Why the different behaviour with sudo compared
> > to su?
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > Oleg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---output when running as root -
> >
> > No vidix driver name provided, probing available ones!
> > [genfb] probe
> > Error occured durint open: No such device
> > [mach64] Found chip: 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X
> > [mach64] Video memory = 2Mb
> > [mach64] Planar YUV formats are supported :)
> > vosub_vidix: Using: BES driver for Mach64/3DRage cards by Nick Kurshev
> > and Michael Niedermayer
> > =
> >= Opening Video Decoder: [mpegpes] MPEG 1/2 Video passthrough
> > VDec: vo config request - 220 x 160, Mpeg PES
> > [PP] Sorry, postprocessing is not available
> > Couldn't find matching colorspace - retrying with -vop scale...
> > SwScale: -1 x -1 (-1=no scaling)
> > Sorry, selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.
> > VDecoder init failed :(
> > Opening Video Decoder: [libmpeg2] MPEG 1/2 Video decoder v2.0
> > libmpeg2: Using MMX for IDCT transform
> > libmpeg2: Using 3DNOW for motion compensation
> > VDec: vo config request - 220 x 160, Planar YV12
> > [PP] Sorry, postprocessing is not available
> > Movie-Aspect is 1.33:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect.
> > VO: [xvidix] 220x160 => 220x164 Planar YV12
> > vo: X11 running at 1024x768 with depth 16 and 16 bits/pixel (":0.0" =>
> > local display)
> > [xvidix] image properties: 220x160 depth: 12
> > vosub_vidix: using 1 buffers
> > [xvidix] window properties: pos: 402x302, size: 220x164
> > Disabling DPMS
> > stat: 1
> > Detected video codec: [mpeg12] drv:1 prio:0 (MPEG 1 or 2)
> > =
> >= AO: [oss] 44100Hz Stereo Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian)
> > ao2: 44100 Hz  2 chans  Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian)
> > audio_setup: sample format: Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian) (requested:
> > Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian))
> > audio_setup: using 2 channels (requested: 2)
> > audio_setup: using 44100 Hz samplerate (requested: 44100)
> > audio_setup: frags:  16/16  (4096 bytes/frag)  free:  65536
> > Start playing...
> > *** [vo] Allocating mp_image_t, 224x160x12bpp YUV planar, 53760 bytes
> > [xvidix] window properties: pos: 402x302, size: 220x164
> > *** [vo] Allocating mp_image_t, 224x160x12bpp YUV planar, 53760 bytes0%
> > *** [vo] Allocating mp_image_t, 224x160x12bpp YUV planar, 53760 bytes0%
> > A:   2.0 V:   2.1 A-V: -0.095 ct: -0.019   31/ 31  11%  1%  1.4% 0 0 0%
> > *** free_stream() called ***
> > Successfully enabled DPMS
> > vo: uninit ...


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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[Jeff]

Paul Johnson, 2002-May-31 20

> ...caught 23 roughly 14" long brook trout last Monday while everone
> else was at work...

you bastard   :-)

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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 10:03:25PM -0500, Kent West wrote:

> My co-workers and I have seen (or actually "heard") a lot of this over 
> the past four or five years. The Gateway computers we purchased came 
> with Western Digital drives. Accordingly, we've pretty much developed an 
> attitude against this brand. (NOTE: We haven't seen the problems so much 

I've never had a problem with WD's Caviar line.

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Re: Possible anti-spam reject host

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya paul

yes i hit one too many deletes too . at least wasn't too
bad  of a delete that i could get the email resent... etc

- am not as worried about "fat pipe" .. as opposed to 
  accidental deletes...

- reporting the spam is where it gets expensive real fast...
-- few apps out there that takes your spam and
reports it ... 

http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Mail/filters.gwif.html
( dozen or so spam reporting apps  )

c ya
alvin
http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Mail/antispam.gwif.html


On Fri, 31 May 2002, Paul Johnson wrote:

> On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 07:26:18PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
> 
> > - its still cheaper/faster in the long run to hit the "delete" key
> 
> Faster?  Yes.  Cheaper?  There's long shots measured in light-years
> shorter than that.  You think disk space and bandwidth are free?  If
> you've found a place that'll give you a big disk for free, and a fat
> pipe for free, lemme know, where do I sign up?  JHD[1] considered
> harmful.  http://spamcop.net/ has tips and free reporting services.


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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:38:22PM -0500, Dale Hair wrote:

> I once had a power problem, called the power co. to tell them the
> transformer on the pole had a red light glowing, they told me that meant
> the transformer had a problem and they would send someone to look at it.
> Two years later I moved and the transformer still had that red light.

Actually, I think that's a "power" light.  I always see them glowing
when power is available, and never when it's not.  You got schwinged.[1]

> For those two years I had two cheap UPS that would beep at the same time
> several times a day.  So I say a power conditioner ahead of the UPS or
> built-in is the best.

Wow, remarkably craptastic power there...

[1] [Telephone tech support]  The sound a call makes after you've blown
off a customer you don't want to deal with or mislead an idiot for the
sake of the rest of humanity.  Compare plonk, see also permahold.

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Re: Global variables

[Oleg]

On Saturday 01 June 2002 12:10 am, Maya wrote:
> Thank you for the prompt reply.
>
> Actually what I'd like to know is the following: If '.bashrc' and
> '.profile' are responsible for setting the individual users variables and
> '/etc/profile' the global variables, why is it that if I set variables only
> in the '/etc/profile', thus making them global, they are not viewed by the
> system.
>
> Let me explain. As far as I understand each individual user can add or
> remove variables in their own '.bashrc' and that will only affect their own
> individual accounts, right? But on the other hand, if I, the super user,
> add or remove a variable in the '/etc/profile' all the users in the system
> will be affected by it, right?
>
> Well, following this principal I have added the lines in the '/etc/profile'
> that were suggested by the INSTALL file that comes with Qt, but still they
> are not recognized by any other user accounts?
>
> Could you please explain to me what I am doing wrong or if I had forgotten
> something?

add the following to /ect/profile

export MY_VARIABLE=bla1

then log in as user. And I mean _log in_, don't just open a window shell. Do

env | grep MY_VARIABLE

if it doesn't show 

MY_VARIABLE=bla1

then you do indeed have a problem

Oleg
P.S. Make sure you are using bash using `echo $SHELL`


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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Dale Hair]

On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 23:10, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 07:18:49PM -0700, ben wrote:
> 
> > location throughout the history of the equipment failure. also check for 
> > cell 
> > phone antennas in the immediate surrounding area. 
> 
> So on top of the computer behind the fan hump (Koolance case) isn't a
> good place to leave my phone charging?

If the fan is working properly it should blow the RF away from the case,
I'm not sure about the EMF. ;-)


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Re: fips

[ben]

On Friday 31 May 2002 03:49 pm, Dano wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a Thinkpad R30 with Windows 98.
> When I run fips for install GNU/Debian have the next error:
>
> ---
> ...
>
> Checking boot sector ...
> Error: Number of sector (long) does not match partion info:
> 17917130 instead of 17917137
>
> The number of sector in the partition table must match the number of
> sectors in the boot sector
>

i've seen this, but it was a while back. at the time i was trying to set up a 
dual-boot doze/freebsd system on a thinkpad, though not an r30. i ended up 
backing up the doze data, booting bsd and creating only a bootable dos 
partition; then re-installing doze, restricting it to that partition, 
followed by the install of bsd. it might seem like a big hassle but, unless 
the disk is ripe to fail in any case, the result is trouble-free. kent 
suggested using norton's whatever--don't. norton products are pretty crappy 
to begin with and windoze doesn't know crap about the kind of task you have 
in mind, anyway.

ben


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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 07:18:49PM -0700, ben wrote:

> location throughout the history of the equipment failure. also check for cell 
> phone antennas in the immediate surrounding area. 

So on top of the computer behind the fan hump (Koolance case) isn't a
good place to leave my phone charging?

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Re: "mplayer -vo xvidix" problems with sudo

[Ron Johnson]

Could it be the difference in $PATH between the 2 commands?

On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 14:38, Oleg wrote:
> Hi
> 
> The only way I can get mplayer to work as well as or better than its Windows 
> counterpart on my hardware is by using "-vo xvidix" option that requires 
> superuser privileges,  so I added
> 
> oleg ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/mplayer *
> 
> to /etc/sudoers. Now "sudo mplayer -vo xvidix file_name" starts (no 
> permission problems), but fails with these errors:
> 
>  errors when running with sudo
> 
> No vidix driver name provided, probing available ones!
> vosub_vidix: Couldn't find working VIDIX driver
> Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device!
> ---end
> 
> Surprisingly, however, after doing "su" instead of using sudo, everything 
> works fine (output below). Why the different behaviour with sudo compared to 
> su?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Oleg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---output when running as root -
> 
> No vidix driver name provided, probing available ones!
> [genfb] probe
> Error occured durint open: No such device
> [mach64] Found chip: 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X
> [mach64] Video memory = 2Mb
> [mach64] Planar YUV formats are supported :)
> vosub_vidix: Using: BES driver for Mach64/3DRage cards by Nick Kurshev and 
> Michael Niedermayer
> ==
> Opening Video Decoder: [mpegpes] MPEG 1/2 Video passthrough
> VDec: vo config request - 220 x 160, Mpeg PES  
> [PP] Sorry, postprocessing is not available
> Couldn't find matching colorspace - retrying with -vop scale...
> SwScale: -1 x -1 (-1=no scaling)
> Sorry, selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.
> VDecoder init failed :(
> Opening Video Decoder: [libmpeg2] MPEG 1/2 Video decoder v2.0
> libmpeg2: Using MMX for IDCT transform
> libmpeg2: Using 3DNOW for motion compensation
> VDec: vo config request - 220 x 160, Planar YV12  
> [PP] Sorry, postprocessing is not available
> Movie-Aspect is 1.33:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect.
> VO: [xvidix] 220x160 => 220x164 Planar YV12 
> vo: X11 running at 1024x768 with depth 16 and 16 bits/pixel (":0.0" => local 
> display)
> [xvidix] image properties: 220x160 depth: 12
> vosub_vidix: using 1 buffers
> [xvidix] window properties: pos: 402x302, size: 220x164
> Disabling DPMS
> stat: 1
> Detected video codec: [mpeg12] drv:1 prio:0 (MPEG 1 or 2)
> ==
> AO: [oss] 44100Hz Stereo Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian)
> ao2: 44100 Hz  2 chans  Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian)
> audio_setup: sample format: Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian) (requested: Signed 
> 16-bit (Little-Endian))
> audio_setup: using 2 channels (requested: 2)
> audio_setup: using 44100 Hz samplerate (requested: 44100)
> audio_setup: frags:  16/16  (4096 bytes/frag)  free:  65536
> Start playing...
> *** [vo] Allocating mp_image_t, 224x160x12bpp YUV planar, 53760 bytes
> [xvidix] window properties: pos: 402x302, size: 220x164
> *** [vo] Allocating mp_image_t, 224x160x12bpp YUV planar, 53760 bytes0%
> *** [vo] Allocating mp_image_t, 224x160x12bpp YUV planar, 53760 bytes0%
> A:   2.0 V:   2.1 A-V: -0.095 ct: -0.019   31/ 31  11%  1%  1.4% 0 0 0%
> *** free_stream() called ***
> Successfully enabled DPMS
> vo: uninit ...

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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 04:54:01PM -0700, ben wrote:

> hi frank, first off, you need new friends. second, either your mail--dated 
> dec 31, 1999--mysteriously took two and a half years to get to the list or 
> you need to replace that little lithium battery on the motherboard. third, on 

Or at least run ntpdate at bootup, my understanding is ntpdate doesn't
care about giant time differences.

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Re: X server setup

[Jerome Acks Jr]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 01:15:45AM -0400, Slootbeek, Jule S wrote:
> hey guys, 
> whenever i try to start X i get this error: 
> fatal Server Error: 
> No Screens found. 

Probably something is not well defined for your device or
monitor, or you don't have a valid SubSection "Display".

Check /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see if your device driver has found any
usable video modes. Look for something like: Modeline "1024x768" ...

Check your XF86Config file to make sure HorizSync and VertRefresh match
your monitor specs. Default values may not.

> how do i get the GUI for Xsetup? i tried with xf86configure but it didn't 
> help and for me to go into the XF86Config file would turn out as a disaster.
> 
> i have a NEC Multisync 70 w/ a NVidia Riva TNT2  card (nv module) runing 
> Woody. 

If you have X4.x installed, you could try letting X come up with a
configuration file by running "XFree86 -configure" as root. That might
give you a working configuration with a ugly display that you can tweak
into something more to your liking.

If you still can't X working, post your XFXF86Config file and
/var/log/XFree86.0.log to the list.

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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Paul E Condon]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 04:54:01PM -0700, ben wrote:
> On Friday 31 December 1999 04:03 pm, Frank Brodbeck wrote:
> > Hello everybody.
> > I'm having over here great trouble. The following is my cruel fate:
> >
> > Everything started a good year ago. It was ca. the start-up of my
> > 'Linux-at-home career' and also the first time, one of my harddrives
> > died a - to me - mysterious death. At this time I often switched from
> > linux to Windows and vice versa. More about the 'mysterious death' of
> > my harddrive. It was a Quantum Fireball with about 14 GByte of capacity
> > and a slot A AMD Athlon on a Epox EP-7KXA Mainboard. All worked pretty
> > fine and then suddenly I heard this strange sound from my harddrive.
> > It twanged like the read/write header of the hdd would somehow hang.
> > First of all, the system just froze for several seconds but after
> > short time the system started to freeze completely after such events and
> > also the frequency of these sounds increased rapidly. For then I just
> > believed the onboard IDE Controller of my motherboard would be
> > damaged. So a new mainboard came and also a new cpu. I changed to an

What about a new power supply? 
And new internal interconnect cables (power and signal)?

That any software could actually cause the destruction of hardware is an
indication of rather bad hardware design, IMHO. 

Well yes, multisync monitors can be over driven, but IMHO this is evidence 
that they are badly designed.

> > Asus A7V-E with a AMD Duron upon it. The harddisk was a Western Digital
> > with 20 GByte capacity. I began to increase my work on linux - mainly
> > struggling with getting the system configured :) - and let me say, about
> > almost half a year again this strange sound came from my beloved WD hdd.
> > Concerned about this new shocking event I went to my retailer to make
> > use of my warranty. Now I got this new hdd. A WD 40GByte diskspace. She
> > lasted from October last year till a few days ago. She still is at work
> > but only because there is no working hdd around and I am not willed
> > to buy any new until I know where damages came from. Oh, I forgot,
> > due to power blackout - a worker drilled right through the power cable -
> > my AMD Duron died and I'm having a new system since three weeks now.
> > It's a dual Intel Celeron 533 installed on a Abit BP6 Board.
> > Rememberring, that I had lost documents of a high priority for me on
> > my first hdd that gave this horrible concert I tried to rescue some
> > data. Well, I wasn't able to rescue the important stuff but at least
> > some personal data. Since the day I attached this old hdd to my system my
> > WD 40 GByte sings the song of destruction. You know what I mean, this
> > strange sound that twangs like a read/write header of a harddisks got
> > stuck. Friends of mine, interested in hardware but not all really
> > familiar with the stuff and also Microsoftlovers keep on telling me
> > 'Linux is the source of all evil'.
> >
> > I'm pretty unused to make real analyzes and so I hope that someone
> > could tell me how to find the source that leads to those hdd damages.
> > Could it be a unlucky hardware setting of mine?
> >
> 
> hi frank, first off, you need new friends. second, either your mail--dated 
> dec 31, 1999--mysteriously took two and a half years to get to the list or 
> you need to replace that little lithium battery on the motherboard. third, on 
> the issue of your history of damaged hardware, given that so many variations 
> are involved, i'm wondering if the physical location of your different 
> systems has always been the same. is their anything close by that gives off 
> electromagnetic interference? is their a kid in the house who might be 
> sticking pennies in the cd slot? a crack in your favorite coffee mug that 
> sits on top of the box? as far as linux being responsible, i really can't 
> imagine how it could be.
> 
> ben
> 
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Re: Debconf problem: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process

[Graham Williams]

Received Sat 01 Jun 2002 10:16am +1000 from Joey Hess:
> Graham Williams wrote:
> > I've got myself stuck somehow with upgrading some packages (am current
> > with "unstable"). After a recent apt-get dist-upgrade I now have:
> > 
> > debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by
> > another process
> 
> Well it seems that you have another debconf instance running somewhere.
> Perhaps you're reconfiguring a package on another virtual console? Only
> a running process can keep this lock held, so find it and kill it and
> you should be ok.

Thanks for the advice. I've found a "dpkg-reconfigur" running. Killing
that it fixed it.

Regards,
Graham


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Re: Possible anti-spam reject host

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 07:26:18PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:

>   - its still cheaper/faster in the long run to hit the "delete" key

Faster?  Yes.  Cheaper?  There's long shots measured in light-years
shorter than that.  You think disk space and bandwidth are free?  If
you've found a place that'll give you a big disk for free, and a fat
pipe for free, lemme know, where do I sign up?  JHD[1] considered
harmful.  http://spamcop.net/ has tips and free reporting services.


[1] "Just Hit Delete."

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Re: Possible anti-spam reject host

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 08:54:25PM -0500, Gary Turner wrote:

> these BLs.  I was going to say that any ISP the size of swbell.net would
> have a lot of innocents, but a search of the last 4200 posts just finds
> me 8-P

So bitch at SW Bell to respond faster to spam complaints.  Not
responding fast enough or not responding at all will get your ISP
blacklisted right quick by a number of RBLs.  What gets me is RBL
bounces provide information on what happened, give you a URL for more
information *and* an email address to bitch at.  You want to get out of
the bit bucket?  Wake your ISP's abuse department up.  Doesn't work? 
Switch ISPs, they're not serving your needs.

> Don't get me wrong.  Anything that will hurt the spammers is a GoodThing
> (tm).  Black lists and such are shotgun approaches and require human
> intervention to operate nicely.  (I wonder how many actual spams are
> caught, and from which mail servers?)  One list member snidely suggested

Lemme know if you want my rejectlogs in private email, I'll send them to
you and you can judge for yourself.

> This subject has knotted my shorts from time to time for quite a while
> and this thread brought out the soap box.  This may be less off topic
> than "The Big Book of Brewing," but I appreciate your indulgence.

Mail abuse in general has been knotting my shorts for a few years now, I
think I've found the perfect blend of RBLs that cuts most of the crap.

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Athlon XP Motherboard Advice Sought

[Simon Read]

Folks,

I'm considering building an Athlon XP 2100+ based system.  I'd like to
build it with  a 333 MHz Front Side Bus.   I'm considering KT333 based
motherboards  from various  manufacturers.   I'm especially  enamoured
with the EPoX 8K3A+. Does anyone out there have any experiences they'd
be willing to share?

Simon Read


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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 10:41:37AM -0700, Walter Reed wrote:

> Um, speak for yourself. Grilling is a year-round thing for some up us
> Minnesotan's! Neither rain nor sleet nor snow shall keep us from our appointed
> burger filpping... :-)

Same here with Oregonians.  Who needs a patio cover?  Grab a poncho or a
slicker and step outside!  Which reminds me, I somehow managed to lose a
nice, heavy duty Boy Scout poncho...several years of commuting and
camping hadn't even begun to wear on it...I miss it, it was full length
front and back, and if you unsnapped the back, you could keep the length
of the poncho even with a full-size pack on under it.


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Re: fips

[Kent West]

Dano wrote:


Hello,

I have a Thinkpad R30 with Windows 98.
When I run fips for install GNU/Debian have the next error:

---
...

Checking boot sector ...
Error: Number of sector (long) does not match partion info:
17917130 instead of 17917137

The number of sector in the partition table must match the number of
sectors in the boot sector

Bye!

---

Any ideas?

Thanks!
Dano


 

The only idea that comes immediately to mind is to run Scandisk from 
Win98; maybe it'll repair the problem. Or alternatively, an older copy 
of Norton Utilities (when NU was actually useful) or something similar.


Kent




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Re: Global variables

[Maya]

Thank you for the prompt reply.

Actually what I'd like to know is the following: If '.bashrc' and '.profile' are
responsible for setting the individual users variables and '/etc/profile' the
global variables, why is it that if I set variables only in the '/etc/profile',
thus making them global, they are not viewed by the system.

Let me explain. As far as I understand each individual user can add or remove
variables in their own '.bashrc' and that will only affect their own individual
accounts, right? But on the other hand, if I, the super user, add or remove a
variable in the '/etc/profile' all the users in the system will be affected by
it, right?

Well, following this principal I have added the lines in the '/etc/profile' that
were suggested by the INSTALL file that comes with Qt, but still they are not
recognized by any other user accounts?

Could you please explain to me what I am doing wrong or if I had forgotten
something?


TIA
Oleg wrote:

> On Friday 31 May 2002 09:09 pm, Maya wrote:
> > I have removed the '.bashrc' and '.profiles' from all the users
> > accounts.
>
> Now we know where BOFH lives! BTW we are hiring a new sysadmin, send your
> resume.
>
> > Added the necessary modifications in '/etc/profile' including
> > the variables necessary to configure and compile Qt-3.0.4. But now, when
> > I try to 'echo' some variable, say for instance, 'echo $QTDIR' I get
> > nothing; which indicates that according to the system the variable has
> > not been declared, but it has! It is in the '/etc/profile'.
> >
> > Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong?
>
> If you are using bash, just repeat these commands (no need to put them in any
> files, let alone mess with your users)
>
> export SOME_QT_VARIABLE=whatever_qt_value_you_want_it_to_have
>  etc
>
> then
> ./configure && make install
> or whatever the instructions say
>
> Oleg


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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:52:42AM -0700, ben wrote:
> yup. mono-linuxism. debian is the standard. unitedlinux is a business 
> venture, that's all. it's like comparing shaolin monks to tele-evangelists.

Don't get me started on that Pat Robertson thief...trying to cheat the
Red Cross out of money...he is no Christian.

> if mcdonalds, burger king, jack in the box, and carl's junior were to get 
> together to standardize the burger, would that affect the recipe of the one 
> you make yourself with the best ingredients at a backyard barbecue? no matter 
> how good theirs would be, it's just not the real thing.

Mmm, barbeque.  Grilled salmon or brook trout beats a burger anytime. 
And in the Willamette Zone, there's no bag or size limit on brook trout,
just get a fishing license and start reelin them in...caught 23 roughly
14" long brook trout last Monday while everone else was at work...

> ah, summer, barbecues. think homer simpson drooling. that's me, right now.

Problem is, we haven't had any decent barbeque weather in Oregon
recently.  To us this means at least overcast, if not actually raining. 
Overcast is preferrable to sun, as you can still get tanned in it, but
without having to deal with the heat and brightness of it.  Rain
preferrable since it keeps the mosquitos and dust down, and it's more
fun to run through than the lawn sprinklers.

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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Kent West]

ben wrote:


On Friday 31 December 1999 04:03 pm, Frank Brodbeck wrote:
 


Hello everybody.
I'm having over here great trouble. The following is my cruel fate:





My co-workers and I have seen (or actually "heard") a lot of this over 
the past four or five years. The Gateway computers we purchased came 
with Western Digital drives. Accordingly, we've pretty much developed an 
attitude against this brand. (NOTE: We haven't seen the problems so much 
in the past year or so, so either the drives have improved, or the cause 
of the problem has decreased.) About the best guess we can make for the 
cause of the failures other than poor design is "brown" power. Several 
of the failed drives are in a building known for power problems.


Is your computer on the same circuit as a large sucker of electrons, 
like a refridgerator, air conditioner, space heater, copy machine, etc? 
If you can get hold of a power analyzer, put it between the computer 
and the wall socket for a couple of days to monitor the line quality. 
You might want to invest in an Uninterruptable Power Supply.


Kent





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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Dale Hair]

On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 20:59, Frank Brodbeck wrote:
> I really do like my PC. And I never hit but sometimes hug her :)
> 
> Later on I will go and check my box power supply.

I doubt the power supply is the culprit.  Most machines with one hard
drive and one cdrom should work fine on 250w supply, don't know about
dual processor.  I never buy less than 300w.

I think your best bet is an UPS with built-in power conditioner.  The
cheap ones just monitor the power and revert to battery when line
conditions are not right.

I once had a power problem, called the power co. to tell them the
transformer on the pole had a red light glowing, they told me that meant
the transformer had a problem and they would send someone to look at it.
Two years later I moved and the transformer still had that red light.

For those two years I had two cheap UPS that would beep at the same time
several times a day.  So I say a power conditioner ahead of the UPS or
built-in is the best.



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Can't opencrt1.o

[Squirrel]

Dear all,
I wrote some lines of codes like the following to verify if my
gcc
could work.

"int main()
{
int a,b;
a=a+1;
b=a+2;
return 0;
}"
Then I typed "gcc-3.1 t2.c" in and it said "/usr/bin/ld:Can't
open
crt1.o:no such file or directory..."

when I make another file,
"#include 
int main()
{
printf("Hi\n");
return 0;
}
when I compiled it,it told me many
errors,"../usr/lib/gcc-lib/mipsel-linux/3/1/include/stdio.h:555:parse error 
before "__THROW" t.c:2:syntax error befor "int""





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Re: Possible anti-spam reject host

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya gary

> >> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > host mail.otherdomain.net [otherip.otherip.otherip.otherip]: 550 
> >> > 5.7.1 Mail from myip.myip.myip.myip
> >> refused by blackhole site dnsbl.njabl.org
> >
> >see http://www.njabl.org/enduser.html
> 
> /documentclass(rant)
> /begin(document)
> 
> These blacklists may be more trouble than they're worth if they are used
> indiscriminately.  My own ISP checks negative on 31 BLs, positive on 3,

ditto ...  yuppers..

there are 126 RBLs on one list and 76 on another...
http://www.moensted.dk/spam/
http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm

- so far .. all those that got rejected based on RBLs are valid rejects 
  of spammers ...

- i think that a mail server admin  should get itself back OUT of the rbl
  is they are truely not an open relay... or supporting spammers
- takes a lot of effort sometimes ...
-
- sometimes simply testing yourself for an open relay get you
listed as what happened to one of my boxes... that was a pain
to get back out..

- my spam level went from say 100/day down to one-z two-z now .. 
  "very lonely" now :-) ...
- reject anything with bad reverse dns
- reject based on the rbls
- reject based on subject line
- reject based on content-type  
( didnt like html-based emails .. all gone now )

- personal emails vs business emails probably require different levels of
 anti-spam filters
personal stuff could do a "reject all except known friends"

and business emails would be "accept all emails and check/reject spams"


-- after spending the week or so playing with various antispam stuff...
- its still cheaper/faster in the long run to hit the "delete" key
( esp if a ready-to-go solution is not ready for ya )


have fun
alvin
http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Mail/antispam.gwif.html .. anti-spam sendmail.m4 ..


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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 01:03:57AM +0100, Frank Brodbeck wrote:
> my harddrive. It was a Quantum Fireball with about 14 GByte of capacity

I've never had a Fireball last more than a year, Windows or Linux.

> to buy any new until I know where damages came from. Oh, I forgot,
> due to power blackout - a worker drilled right through the power cable -
> my AMD Duron died and I'm having a new system since three weeks now.

Nasty power spike likely killed the last drive, then.  You might
consider a line conditioner or backup power supply.  APC makes good
ones.  Of course this brings up another question:  Is your power supply
reliable?  Electronics get *really* tweaky when power is played with.

> stuck. Friends of mine, interested in hardware but not all really
> familiar with the stuff and also Microsoftlovers keep on telling me
> 'Linux is the source of all evil'.

Well, yeah, they're under Satan's influence, of course they're going to
try and smear something that gives you reliablity, is flexible, and
respects your freedom.

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[release+kernel] upgrade headache

[Tom Barnes-Lawrence]

Hi, sorry this is BIG post.Some background first, FWIW:
-I installed Debian/Potato back when it was *frozen*, on a newly
assembled machine without another OS -before that I'd been using
slackware for a few years (on a different, dual-boot machine),
installing new stuff from source, and getting through several
kernel upgrades and the libc5 -> libc6 thing.
-After the pain that dselect gave me when first installing debian
(because of UI annoyances and wanting to keep *out* certain software)
I've only ever used plain old  dpkg  for installing packages since
then. I'm a luddite, so sue me.


ANYHOW. Because of various driver bugs and stuff, I've been wanting
to upgrade my kernel to 2.4 series and XFree to 4.x, so I was pleased
to see Woody was coming out soon. But as it seems like it's not going
to be officially released for a fair while now, I decided to bite
the bullet and try installing the important stuff anyway.

So I started yesterday. Despite all the worrying about new glibc2.2
making all my old 2.1 binaries fail, Woody's libc6 package installed
painlessly. So did many other things I needed to install the new
kernel (I tested most things with dpkg --no-act --install first).

Then I got to the kernel. I'd got all its stated dependencies installed,
even the ones in the official kernel 2.4 "Changes" file that aren't
mentioned in the .deb.  It then told me something about trying to install
an initrd kernel and how I'd have to set a line in my lilo.conf to
point to an initrd image.

I'd only heard of initrd stuff vaguely before, but this seemed to be
saying it was a new boot requirement. I'd seen no mention of this
mentioned anywhere on the debian site. I looked through the lilo
documentation (from Potato's lilo, as the kernel hadn't depended on
a newer one), but there was *no mention* of this parameter. Upgrading
lilo and manpages, I found the reference and changed the lilo.conf file.
I then tried again to install the new 2.4 kernel. It still gave the
warning about needing the initrd line, and asked if I wanted to continue,
I said Y. In time, it finished, and I shutdown and rebooted.

After about a page of the kernel bootup messages, I got:

request_module[block-major-8]:Root fs not mounted
VFS: Cannot open root device "801" or 08:01
Please append a correct "root=" boot option
Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01

Well, after an hour or so, I spotted the old rescue disk from when
I first installed (I'd given up looking by then) and managed to
get back into the machine and change the /vmlinuz back to the 2.2
kernel, so the system can now boot again and I'm reasonably relaxed.
OTOH, I was truly fuming *then* because there hadn't been the
slightest indication that I could see that the kernel package I
chose would *not* support booting from SCSI, like my old kernel
packages were able to do.


I looked into the mkinitrd docs, and it seems that the initrd
thing allows the boot-loader to load the ramdisk image along with
the kernel and the kernel can load modules for things it needs
for booting from there, whereas previously such drivers would
need to be compiled in. Well, that's very nice, but:

-(1) The package (or *one* package) should have been set up to be
able to boot properly without user intervention;
-(2) The mkinitrd docs seem hard to follow;
-(3) Having used mkinitrd several times, trying various things with
its config files, I *still* cannot get an initrd image that will
get the kernel to boot. It does appear that the advansys.o,
scsi_mod.o, sd_mod.o, ext2.o files *are* already in the image- but
the kernel doesn't seem interested in loading them.

In fact, I've not even seen reference to initrd in the messages
when booting the 2.4 kernel.

Also on this subject, what *exactly* is the "bf2.4" kernel version
that is there? I've not seen any explanation of this. Is it relevant
to this?

Advice please?
Tom Barnes-Lawrence (AKA Tomble)


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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[ben]

On Friday 31 May 2002 06:59 pm, Frank Brodbeck wrote:
> I really do like my PC. And I never hit but sometimes hug her :)
>
> Later on I will go and check my box power supply.

you haven't been using the same power supply on all of those different 
machines, so i seriously doubt that the system power supply is at fault. 

you might want to check with your neighbors to find out if there's a radio 
transmitter in or near the building, and to find out if anyone else has 
experienced anything similar; that is, assuming you've always been at that 
location throughout the history of the equipment failure. also check for cell 
phone antennas in the immediate surrounding area. 

ben


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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Frank Brodbeck]

I really do like my PC. And I never hit but sometimes hug her :)

Later on I will go and check my box power supply.
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Re: Possible anti-spam reject host

[Gary Turner]

On Fri, 31 May 2002 14:00:44 -0700, Walter Reed wrote:

>On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 05:19:54PM +, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira 
>wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi all,
>>  I have a Debian GNU/Linux potato server with exim configured.
>>  I received a strange message. What can be wrong?
>>  TIA,Paulo Henrique.
>> 
>> > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).
>> >
>> > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
>> > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>> >
>> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > host mail.otherdomain.net [otherip.otherip.otherip.otherip]: 550 5.7.1 
>> > Mail from myip.myip.myip.myip
>> refused by blackhole site dnsbl.njabl.org
>
>see http://www.njabl.org/enduser.html

/documentclass(rant)
/begin(document)

These blacklists may be more trouble than they're worth if they are used
indiscriminately.  My own ISP checks negative on 31 BLs, positive on 3,
and inconclusive on 2.  njabl.org, ref'd above, tests negative.
dsbl.org tests positive.  I went to dsbl.org and found that they tested
positive for multi-hop and unconfirmed for single-hop.  On the
multi-hop, some company in OK, a dsl customer of swbell.net, was the
actual open relayer.  Obviously, swbell is going to relay his mail, no?

So why all the background info?  Using this list as an example, I prefer
to send a simple compliment, thanks, or maybe an OT personal observation
directly rather than to the whole list. (If it were my thread, then a
public thank-you would be in order.)  If I think someone has erred, I'd
rather comment directly in case I'm the doofus (saves embarrassment), or
to give the guy a chance to edit his own remarks without being shown up.
There are members of the list, though, that automatically bounce or
maybe just toss into the bit bucket anything and everything listed by
these BLs.  I was going to say that any ISP the size of swbell.net would
have a lot of innocents, but a search of the last 4200 posts just finds
me 8-P

I have a whole sh*t pot full of filter defs.  Most are pure kill
filters.  Those that catch globbed names, or IP blocks, I send to my
spam directory.  It is easy enough to scan the directory and pick out
the white hats that get swept up with the usual suspects.  I put the
good guys where they belong and flush the rest.  This gives me the
chance to white-list or edit my filter if needed.

Don't get me wrong.  Anything that will hurt the spammers is a GoodThing
(tm).  Black lists and such are shotgun approaches and require human
intervention to operate nicely.  (I wonder how many actual spams are
caught, and from which mail servers?)  One list member snidely suggested
I change ISPs to one more vigilant.  Well, if you're in Dallas and you
want broadband, there isn't much choice.  I suspect that many others
also have limited choices to one degree or another.

This subject has knotted my shorts from time to time for quite a while
and this thread brought out the soap box.  This may be less off topic
than "The Big Book of Brewing," but I appreciate your indulgence.

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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Frank Brodbeck]

Hi Jaye
Jaye came to use his tongue on Fri, May 31, 2002 at 06:08:43PM -0700
> Cruel fate:  this *is* going to be a good story, I'll read on :)

Influence of my rpg activities, I guess *s*

> > It twanged like the read/write header of the hdd would somehow hang.
> 
> Time to backup what you can and toss it in the trash.

I always wished to make a backup system, but somehow I'm lack of
harddrives :/

> My fear is loss of school work. 
 
My problem is, that I often work on short stories or writing stuff for
rpg

> I repeat; check your grid power supply, too much makes bad things happen, but 
> too little also has bad effects on current hardware.  UPS is a very good 
> investment, and

Is on my wish list

 
> I am having excellent luck with my IBM 60GB drives.  

I had a IBM 20 GByte. Suddenly some smd elements just felt off. It was 
obviously a manufacturing damage but all IBM said was: No warranty for
OEM products, thanks for your interest. But I guess, I'll have another
try on IBM
 
> I don't think your drive failures have anything to do with Linux at all.  

Now I can sleep, thanks :)

> You don't mention what type of file system you use, but I would 
> expect you used the defacto EXT2.  

Nope, I run reiserfs.

> I do wish you success at recovery.

Thanks.
> 

I hope I'll fix the problem soon... 

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[suporte]

Hi guys, I'm having some problems with pppd. I'm trying to install 2 servers 
with a leased line.

All signals (DCD, DSR, DTR, CTS and RTS) are up, which indcates that the 
cables and modems are OK, but I can't ping the remote peer.

Here goes my configurations:

Server 1:

Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
Iface
192.168.100.2   192.168.100.1   255.255.255.255 UGH   0  00 ppp0
200.216.95.214  0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00 ppp1
192.168.100.0   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.252 U 0  00 ppp0
10.0.1.00.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth1
0.0.0.0 200.216.95.214  0.0.0.0 UG0  00 ppp1


/etc/network/interfaces
iface ppp0 inet static
address 192.168.100.1
netmask 255.255.255.252
network 192.168.100.0
broadcast 192.168.100.3


/etc/ppp/options.ttyS0
predio1:predio2
192.168.100.1:192.168.100.2
#noauth
#debug
#defaultroute
crtscts
mtu 576
mru 576
passive
-chap
modem
-pap
persist
nodetach
lock
asyncmap 0


/etc/inittab
# Starting the PPPD and keeping it alive.
s1:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS0 38400


/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
#Habilitando o roteamento
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
echo "Iniciando o PPPD"
/usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS0 38400
sleep 60
/sbin/ifup ppp0
#Inserindo rotas estaticas:
route add -net 10.0.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.100.1
route add -net 10.0.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.100.1
route add -net 10.0.4.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.100.1
route add -host 192.168.100.2 gw 192.168.100.1


ifconfig
ppp0  Link encap:Point-Point Protocol
 inet addr:192.168.100.1 P-t-P:192.168.100.2 Mask:255.255.255.252
 POINTOPOINT  MTU:1500  Metric:1
 RX packets:0 errors:10 dropped:10 overruns:0
 TX packets:10 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0



Server 2:

Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
Iface
192.168.100.1   192.168.100.2   255.255.255.255 UGH   0  00 ppp0
192.168.100.0   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.252 U 0  00 ppp0
10.0.4.00.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth2
10.0.1.0192.168.100.2   255.255.255.0   UG0  00 ppp0
10.0.2.00.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth0
10.0.3.00.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth1
0.0.0.0 192.168.100.2   0.0.0.0 UG0  00 ppp0


/etc/network/interfaces
iface ppp0 inet static
address 192.168.100.2
netmask 255.255.255.252
network 192.168.100.0
broadcast 192.168.100.3


/etc/ppp/options.ttyS0
predio2:predio1
192.168.100.2:192.168.100.1
# noauth
# debug
# defaultroute
crtscts
mtu 576
mru 576
passive
-chap
modem
-pap
persist
asyncmap 0
lock
nodetach


/etc/inittab
# Starting the PPPD and keeping it alive.
s1:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS0 38400



/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
#Habilitando o roteamento
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
#Habilitando o PPP
/usr/sbin/pppd &
sleep 60
/sbin/ifup ppp0
#Inserindo a rota default
route add -net 0.0.0.0 netmask 0.0.0.0 gw 192.168.100.2
#Inserindo rota para o Clube Naval 1:#Inserindo rota para o Clube Naval 1:
route add -net 10.0.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.100.2
route add -host 192.168.100.1 gw 192.168.100.2

ifconfig
ppp0  Link encap:Point-Point Protocol
 inet addr:192.168.100.2 P-t-P:192.168.100.1 Mask:255.255.255.252
 POINTOPOINT  MTU:1500  Metric:1
 RX packets:0 errors:10 dropped:10 overruns:0
 TX packets:10 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0



Could anybody help me?

Thanks,

Marcelo.


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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Dale Hair]

> are you buying all this equipment from the same vendor? maybe the drives are 
> being stressed in some prior environment. even if different vendors are 
> involved, they might use the same wholesale supplier.

My second thought on this.

> what version(s) of linux are you using? the only other thing that i can think 
> of--and this is really far-fetched--is that you've got some wildly mangled 
> application going medieval on your drives. 
> 
> actually, one more thing comes to mind: the local power system and/or the 
> power outlet your computer is attached to. is it possible that there are 
> dramatic surges on the power line?

My first first idea, seeing as he is buying motherboards also.  I would
suggest a good power conditioner.

My third thought is maybe he is taking out his frustrations on his
computer.  I know I want to kick mine sometimes.


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Re: [Announce] 1.0.0-4 .debs for i386 [solved]

[Florentin Ionescu]

Thank you !

For some reason apt-get didn't work for me but downloaded separat
and installing it via dpkg -i worked fine and solves the problem
on woody.



On Fri, 31 May 2002, Paul Scott wrote :

» Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:22:05 -0700
» From: Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
» To: Debian User 
» Subject: Re: [Announce] 1.0.0-4 .debs for i386
» Resent-Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:47:57 -0700
» Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
»
» Florentin Ionescu wrote:
» > Is this a bug please ? How exactly is openoffice to be installed ?
» > I have dpkg -s libgcc => Version: 1:3.0.4-7 installed
» > and on the other hand
» > apt-get instll openoffice.org =>
» >  openoffice.org: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:3.1) but 1:3.0.4-7  \
» >  is to be installed
» >
» > Is there any way around this on woody ?
»
» There is a better discussion of this on debian-openoffice but I believe
» you have to get libgcc1 (>= 1:3.1) from unstable by either just getting
» the deb and installing it with dpkg -i or adding unstable main to your
» sources.list  and using:
»
» apt-get install libgcc1/unstable
»
» HTH,
»
» Paul
»
»
»

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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Jaye Inabnit ke6sls]

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On Friday 31 December 1999 04:03 pm, Frank Brodbeck wrote:
> Hello everybody.
> I'm having over here great trouble. The following is my cruel fate:

Cruel fate:  this *is* going to be a good story, I'll read on :)
At this time I often switched from linux to Windows and vice versa.

Yuppers, that would be a cruel situation.  I did it too for a small time, but 
I just couldn't ignore RMS's suggestions of implied migration.


>It was a Quantum Fireball with about 14 GByte.

Killed a few of those too, but I used combo of Windows & DOS then.

> It twanged like the read/write header of the hdd would somehow hang.

Time to backup what you can and toss it in the trash.

>The harddisk was a Western Digital with 20 GByte capacity. 

Killed at least two of those.  One via a nasty power surge/outage and second 
with 100 watts of high frequency amateur radio signal, the rig was poorly 
grounded and fed in via temporary sound card connection.

> Now I got this new hdd. A WD 40GByte diskspace.
> She lasted from October last year till a few days ago.

That would cause me to look at grid power supply, computer power supply (do 
use minimum 300 watt).  I learned that the last 20GB drive on a windows box I 
had given away died very much like yours did.  Leads me to think WD isn't 
what an IBM is.

> I wasn't able to rescue the important stuff but at least
> some personal data. 

My fear is loss of school work.  I keep back-up copies on two computers, and 
burn a CDWR disk from time to time.  The rest of the data was found on the 
net and can be re-smurfed if I still want the data locally.  I also don't 
worry about backing up my OS.  Waste of time IMO as Debian has an excellent 
web presence.

> Friends of mine, interested in hardware but not all really
> familiar with the stuff and also Microsoftlovers keep on telling me
> 'Linux is the source of all evil'.

Finding good and intelligent friends is always difficult.  Dumb(er) friends 
seem to always be in ample supply.  :)

> I'm pretty unused to make real analyzes and so I hope that someone
> could tell me how to find the source that leads to those hdd damages.
> Could it be a unlucky hardware setting of mine?
>
> Frank

I repeat; check your grid power supply, too much makes bad things happen, but 
too little also has bad effects on current hardware.  UPS is a very good 
investment, and better UPS's offer clean and regulated supply of power to 
your devices.  Next check the power supply in your case.  Many weird things 
have happened with the cheaper power supplies.  300 watts is a good minimum, 
350-400 is even better.

I am having excellent luck with my IBM 60GB drives.  They are far quieter 
than the WD's were.  The IBM's also moves data faster than the 7200 RPM WD 
drives.  They price so closely at retail that I don't see price as an issue 
today.  I am not impressed with the amount of WD failures I have expereinced 
or learned about, so I decided to stop buying them.

Backup stuff you want to keep on CDR or CDRW disks.  They stand a better 
chance at surviving all sorts of terrible things like magnets, damp 
conditions, and electrical spikes.  They are also nicely portable and easy to 
keep safe.

I don't think your drive failures have anything to do with Linux at all.  You 
don't mention what type of file system you use, but I would expect you used 
the defacto EXT2.  If you did use another FS, you may wish to investigate 
further for future installs.  

I do wish you success at recovery.

tatah
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Re: Debian ports [was: Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"]

[Paul E Condon]

My two comments on this thread:

1. The lack of an official release doesn't seem to have kept users from using
Woody. An actual "Official Release" is a nice way to keep the organization
organized, and is therefore good. But Debian is such an open organization 
that i386 users who are impatient, are hardly being inconvenienced by the lack
of an official release.

2. Debian is a community of like-minded individuals. It would be unseemly in
the extreme to cast some users into the outer darkness of commercial software
just because they found an "unpopular" brand of hardware in their local 
dumpster. 

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 04:14:30PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote:
> Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > It's also worth pointing out that the effort that some people see as
> > being wasted on other ports actually benefits the distribution as a
> > whole in the long run. For example, somebody complained a while back
> > about the number of bugs filed because packages didn't build on hppa;
> > what I suspect he didn't realize is that a large chunk of those bugs
> > were about gcc 3 support in C++ packages, which will be i386's default
> > compiler soon! It starts seeming a lot more worthwhile even to i386-only
> > people at that point.
> 
> Hmm, I've been thinking about this point, and it seems almost like an
> anti-argument to me.  I can't think of a more inefficient way to port
> software to gcc 3.x than to do it first on a platform that very few
> people have access to.  Presumably, woody's release has been delayed for
> months due to problems with hppa while devs tried to find access to an
> hppa machine for testing.  However, if all arches had moved to gcc 3.x
> synchronously, compilation problems across all packages probably would
> have been fixed within a month since everyone has access to i386
> machines for testing.
> 
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> 
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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[ben]

On Friday 31 May 2002 05:13 pm, Frank Brodbeck wrote:
> Hello Ben
> ben came to use his tongue on Fri, May 31, 2002 at 04:54:01PM -0700
>
> > hi frank, first off, you need new friends. second, either your
> > mail--dated dec 31, 1999--mysteriously took two and a half years to get
> > to the list or you need to replace that little lithium battery on the
> > motherboard. third, on
>
> Yup, I need at least more friends using linux. And the date crashed
> with my last hdd caused system freeze and I didn't realized it before
> sending two emails to debian-user. But the date has been restored.
>
> > the issue of your history of damaged hardware, given that so many
> > variations are involved, i'm wondering if the physical location of your
> > different systems has always been the same. is their anything close by
> > that gives off electromagnetic interference? is their a kid in the house
> > who might be sticking pennies in the cd slot? a crack in your favorite
> > coffee mug that
>
> Nope i changed rooms. The 40 GByte hdd has been 'infected' in my new
> room. Hm, Here are just my PC, monitor and my videorecorder. I dont't
> think to much interferences - the shortest distance from my other gadgets
> to the PC is about 30 cm. And no, there's no kid running around and my
> favourite coffe mug is leak-proof :)
>
> > sits on top of the box? as far as linux being responsible, i really can't
> > imagine how it could be.
>
> Hm, maybe I am just banished from my sanctuary? Argl, where are the
> Wizards when you need them? :)
>

yeah, even metaphysical police have the same habits.

are you buying all this equipment from the same vendor? maybe the drives are 
being stressed in some prior environment. even if different vendors are 
involved, they might use the same wholesale supplier.

what version(s) of linux are you using? the only other thing that i can think 
of--and this is really far-fetched--is that you've got some wildly mangled 
application going medieval on your drives. 

actually, one more thing comes to mind: the local power system and/or the 
power outlet your computer is attached to. is it possible that there are 
dramatic surges on the power line?

that's all i've got. it's certainly an unusual story. i'm intrigued. if you 
find out what's responsible, let me know.

ben


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Re: New Debian user - a bunch of problems

[gerhard]

Hi Frank,

Am Samstag, 1. Januar 2000 01:34 schrieb Frank Brodbeck:

> What you got there is a so called tarball. It's a compressed
> archive and enclosed are the sources to scribus - in your case.
> But this isn't a package neither a debian (deb) nor a Red Hat
> package (rpm).
>
> There are two ways known to myself to install it.
>
> Either you uncompress the source and then manually install
> scribus or you get scribus as a debian package.
>
> I suggest the second way.
> So just go to the shell and then go further as root:
> # apt-get scribus
> and there we are, the newest version of scribus.
>

I just didn't understand the method of Paul. Probably it's a way 
for deb-source packages (I don't know).

I knew the two tools alien and checkinstall

o alien - Install LSB, Red Hat, Stampede, and Slackware Packages 
with dpkg

o checkinstall - CheckInstall installations tracker, version 1.5.1

I choosed the 2nd way with checkinstall, and now I get: 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search scribus
scribus-doc-de - German documentation for Scribus
scribus-doc-en - English documentation for Scribus
scribus-doc-fr - French documentation for Scribus
scribus - Scribus 0.7.3 Entwicklerversion DTP Programm

where the comment is made by myself, because checkinstall asked me 
for such a comment.

Do you know what kind of tool is recommended: checkinstall or alien?

Thank you

regards

gerhard


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Re: Global variables

[Oleg]

On Friday 31 May 2002 09:09 pm, Maya wrote:
> I have removed the '.bashrc' and '.profiles' from all the users
> accounts. 

Now we know where BOFH lives! BTW we are hiring a new sysadmin, send your 
resume.

> Added the necessary modifications in '/etc/profile' including
> the variables necessary to configure and compile Qt-3.0.4. But now, when
> I try to 'echo' some variable, say for instance, 'echo $QTDIR' I get
> nothing; which indicates that according to the system the variable has
> not been declared, but it has! It is in the '/etc/profile'.
>
> Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong?

If you are using bash, just repeat these commands (no need to put them in any 
files, let alone mess with your users)

export SOME_QT_VARIABLE=whatever_qt_value_you_want_it_to_have
 etc

then
./configure && make install
or whatever the instructions say

Oleg



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Re: Debconf problem: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process

[Joey Hess]

Graham Williams wrote:
> I've got myself stuck somehow with upgrading some packages (am current
> with "unstable"). After a recent apt-get dist-upgrade I now have:
> 
> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by
> another process
> 
> and the various messages about 
> 
>   Package debconf is not configured yet.
> 
> Any ideas what I've done to get myself into such a pickle? And how to
> get out of it.

Well it seems that you have another debconf instance running somewhere.
Perhaps you're reconfiguring a package on another virtual console? Only
a running process can keep this lock held, so find it and kill it and
you should be ok.

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boot message: insmod problem

[Eduardo Gargiulo]

Hi all.

I'm running woody on i386. During boot process, the log shows some
errors like that

-
insmod: modprobe: cannot create /var/log/ksymoops/20020531.log Read-only file 
system
insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/unix/unix.o: cannot create 
/var/log/ksymoops/20020531175628.ksyms Read-only file system
insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/unix/unix.o: cannot create 
/var/log/ksymoops/20020531.ksyms Read-only file system
-

how can I fix this? what does it means?

OTOH, dmesg didn't shows that. I had to Shift+PgUp the screen to copy
the errors. Is there any log where the error is saved?

TIA

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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[Frank Brodbeck]

Hello Ben
ben came to use his tongue on Fri, May 31, 2002 at 04:54:01PM -0700
> hi frank, first off, you need new friends. second, either your mail--dated 
> dec 31, 1999--mysteriously took two and a half years to get to the list or 
> you need to replace that little lithium battery on the motherboard. third, on 

Yup, I need at least more friends using linux. And the date crashed
with my last hdd caused system freeze and I didn't realized it before
sending two emails to debian-user. But the date has been restored.

> the issue of your history of damaged hardware, given that so many variations 
> are involved, i'm wondering if the physical location of your different 
> systems has always been the same. is their anything close by that gives off 
> electromagnetic interference? is their a kid in the house who might be 
> sticking pennies in the cd slot? a crack in your favorite coffee mug that 

Nope i changed rooms. The 40 GByte hdd has been 'infected' in my new
room. Hm, Here are just my PC, monitor and my videorecorder. I dont't
think to much interferences - the shortest distance from my other gadgets
to the PC is about 30 cm. And no, there's no kid running around and my
favourite coffe mug is leak-proof :)

> sits on top of the box? as far as linux being responsible, i really can't 
> imagine how it could be.

Hm, maybe I am just banished from my sanctuary? Argl, where are the
Wizards when you need them? :)

Frank

P.S.: I don't even have a mobile phone (heard of interferences between
some hdd's and those gadgets) 
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Global variables

[Maya]

I have removed the '.bashrc' and '.profiles' from all the users
accounts. Added the necessary modifications in '/etc/profile' including
the variables necessary to configure and compile Qt-3.0.4. But now, when
I try to 'echo' some variable, say for instance, 'echo $QTDIR' I get
nothing; which indicates that according to the system the variable has
not been declared, but it has! It is in the '/etc/profile'.

Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong?


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Re: Debian ports [was: Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"]

[Joey Hess]

Brian Nelson wrote:
> Presumably, woody's release has been delayed for months due to
> problems with hppa while devs tried to find access to an hppa machine
> for testing.

That's a rather odd presumption. Do you real debian-devel-announce? You
can find out exactly what kept debian from releasing on any given month.
Hint: You won't find any desperate calls for hppa machines since all
debian developers have ready access to them.

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Debconf problem: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process

[Graham Williams]

I've got myself stuck somehow with upgrading some packages (am current
with "unstable"). After a recent apt-get dist-upgrade I now have:

debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by
another process

and the various messages about 

  Package debconf is not configured yet.

Any ideas what I've done to get myself into such a pickle? And how to
get out of it.

Regards,
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Re: Kills Linux hdd's?

[ben]

On Friday 31 December 1999 04:03 pm, Frank Brodbeck wrote:
> Hello everybody.
> I'm having over here great trouble. The following is my cruel fate:
>
> Everything started a good year ago. It was ca. the start-up of my
> 'Linux-at-home career' and also the first time, one of my harddrives
> died a - to me - mysterious death. At this time I often switched from
> linux to Windows and vice versa. More about the 'mysterious death' of
> my harddrive. It was a Quantum Fireball with about 14 GByte of capacity
> and a slot A AMD Athlon on a Epox EP-7KXA Mainboard. All worked pretty
> fine and then suddenly I heard this strange sound from my harddrive.
> It twanged like the read/write header of the hdd would somehow hang.
> First of all, the system just froze for several seconds but after
> short time the system started to freeze completely after such events and
> also the frequency of these sounds increased rapidly. For then I just
> believed the onboard IDE Controller of my motherboard would be
> damaged. So a new mainboard came and also a new cpu. I changed to an
> Asus A7V-E with a AMD Duron upon it. The harddisk was a Western Digital
> with 20 GByte capacity. I began to increase my work on linux - mainly
> struggling with getting the system configured :) - and let me say, about
> almost half a year again this strange sound came from my beloved WD hdd.
> Concerned about this new shocking event I went to my retailer to make
> use of my warranty. Now I got this new hdd. A WD 40GByte diskspace. She
> lasted from October last year till a few days ago. She still is at work
> but only because there is no working hdd around and I am not willed
> to buy any new until I know where damages came from. Oh, I forgot,
> due to power blackout - a worker drilled right through the power cable -
> my AMD Duron died and I'm having a new system since three weeks now.
> It's a dual Intel Celeron 533 installed on a Abit BP6 Board.
> Rememberring, that I had lost documents of a high priority for me on
> my first hdd that gave this horrible concert I tried to rescue some
> data. Well, I wasn't able to rescue the important stuff but at least
> some personal data. Since the day I attached this old hdd to my system my
> WD 40 GByte sings the song of destruction. You know what I mean, this
> strange sound that twangs like a read/write header of a harddisks got
> stuck. Friends of mine, interested in hardware but not all really
> familiar with the stuff and also Microsoftlovers keep on telling me
> 'Linux is the source of all evil'.
>
> I'm pretty unused to make real analyzes and so I hope that someone
> could tell me how to find the source that leads to those hdd damages.
> Could it be a unlucky hardware setting of mine?
>

hi frank, first off, you need new friends. second, either your mail--dated 
dec 31, 1999--mysteriously took two and a half years to get to the list or 
you need to replace that little lithium battery on the motherboard. third, on 
the issue of your history of damaged hardware, given that so many variations 
are involved, i'm wondering if the physical location of your different 
systems has always been the same. is their anything close by that gives off 
electromagnetic interference? is their a kid in the house who might be 
sticking pennies in the cd slot? a crack in your favorite coffee mug that 
sits on top of the box? as far as linux being responsible, i really can't 
imagine how it could be.

ben


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Re: New Debian user - a bunch of problems

[Frank Brodbeck]

Hello Gerhard
gerhard came to use his tongue on Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 01:11:02AM +0200
> I want to install scribus-0.7.3.tar.gz debian-like.
> Is there a way with apt-get? Or should I use checkinstall or alien?
> 
> Any suggestion is appreciate.
> 
What you got there is a so called tarball. It's a compressed archive
and enclosed are the sources to scribus - in your case.
But this isn't a package neither a debian (deb) nor a Red Hat package (rpm).

There are two ways known to myself to install it.

Either you uncompress the source and then manually install scribus
or you get scribus as a debian package.

I suggest the second way.
So just go to the shell and then go further as root:
# apt-get scribus
and there we are, the newest version of scribus.

Frank 

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Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

[ben]

On Friday 31 May 2002 03:27 pm, Brian Nelson wrote:
> Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Fundamentally, Debian is committed to being a multi-architecture system
> > for as long as porters are willing to support it. The Project Leader
> > posted to debian-devel-announce about porting a couple of weeks ago, and
> > summed up the issues quite nicely.
>
> That must be this post here:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2002/debian-devel-announce-20
>0205/msg7.html
>
> I would never argue for dropping support for arches unless there was no
> longer any interest in them; however, I still think asynchronous
> releases are a decent idea.  i386 undoubtedly gets far more testing and
> should be ready for release before other arches.

way back when i first used suse, my suspicion of their imminent transition 
into user-phobia and rh-style commercialism seemed vindicated by their 
disregard for platforms other than i386. while i can't hold a conversation 
with a mac user for longer than ten minutes, there really wasn't even gloat 
value in the notion that the biggest, fattest, meanest mac in town had to 
wait six months or a year to get hold of the current release. it just made 
suse seem cheesy. i think it speaks for the integrity of debian that as much 
as possible is done to cater to everyone simultaneously.

ben


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Debian ports [was: Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"]

[Brian Nelson]

Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It's also worth pointing out that the effort that some people see as
> being wasted on other ports actually benefits the distribution as a
> whole in the long run. For example, somebody complained a while back
> about the number of bugs filed because packages didn't build on hppa;
> what I suspect he didn't realize is that a large chunk of those bugs
> were about gcc 3 support in C++ packages, which will be i386's default
> compiler soon! It starts seeming a lot more worthwhile even to i386-only
> people at that point.

Hmm, I've been thinking about this point, and it seems almost like an
anti-argument to me.  I can't think of a more inefficient way to port
software to gcc 3.x than to do it first on a platform that very few
people have access to.  Presumably, woody's release has been delayed for
months due to problems with hppa while devs tried to find access to an
hppa machine for testing.  However, if all arches had moved to gcc 3.x
synchronously, compilation problems across all packages probably would
have been fixed within a month since everyone has access to i386
machines for testing.

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Re: New Debian user - a bunch of problems

[gerhard]

Hello Paul,

Am Donnerstag, 23. Mai 2002 11:08 schrieb Paul Johnson:

> The preferred method would be switch to your favorite place to
> compile stuff, and do this
>
> apt-get -b build-dep pine

What did you mean?
I get :
debian:/usr/local/src# apt-get -b build-dep scribus
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
E: Sorry, you must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
debian:/usr/local/src# ls
scribus-0.7.3.tar.gz
debian:/usr/local/src#

> apt-get -b source pine
> 
> # dpkg --install *.deb
> (assumes the only debs in the current directory are the ones just
> built)

I want to install scribus-0.7.3.tar.gz debian-like.
Is there a way with apt-get? Or should I use checkinstall or alien?

Any suggestion is appreciate.

regards

gerhard


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RE: Xfree 4.2.0 and KDM

[Stephen J. Thompson]

What is the best way to downgrade? Is it to remove all X components and
reinstall? or is there an automatic way?

Thanks.

Regards,

Stephen.


On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 08:12, José Manuel Pérez wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I've got that problem too. OpenOffice and Acroread stop working as well.
> Finally I've downgrade to XFree 4.1 again.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen J. Thompson (CaSS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: jueves 30 de mayo de 2002 20:30
> To: debian-user
> Subject: Xfree 4.2.0 and KDM
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have just installed XFree 4.2.0 on two machines and found KDM has
> stopped working. Has anyone else encountered this problem. Does anyone
> have any pointers on how to solve it?
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Stephen.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[ben]

On Friday 31 May 2002 02:52 pm, Jaye Inabnit ke6sls wrote:
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> On Friday 31 May 2002 12:59 pm, ben wrote:
> > On Friday 31 May 2002 12:29 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote:
> > > And what exactly is LSB?
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/
> > > > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/
> >
> > you see those linky type things? they're actually addresses you can go to
> > on the web. you know what the web is, don't you?
> >
> > jeez, dude, does your mommy move the mouse for you?
> >
> > ben
>
> Ben, who pissed on your attitude today?   :|
>

i guess it was me. it was a kind of pissy reaction, huh? i should have gone 
karsten-style, where it takes ten minutes after you've read the post to 
realize that along with the helpful information, you have, as pollywog says, 
been taken to the woodshed. sorry, quenten. i'll try to be more eloquent in 
the future.

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Kills Linux hdd's?

[Frank Brodbeck]

Hello everybody.
I'm having over here great trouble. The following is my cruel fate:

Everything started a good year ago. It was ca. the start-up of my
'Linux-at-home career' and also the first time, one of my harddrives
died a - to me - mysterious death. At this time I often switched from
linux to Windows and vice versa. More about the 'mysterious death' of
my harddrive. It was a Quantum Fireball with about 14 GByte of capacity
and a slot A AMD Athlon on a Epox EP-7KXA Mainboard. All worked pretty
fine and then suddenly I heard this strange sound from my harddrive.
It twanged like the read/write header of the hdd would somehow hang.
First of all, the system just froze for several seconds but after
short time the system started to freeze completely after such events and
also the frequency of these sounds increased rapidly. For then I just
believed the onboard IDE Controller of my motherboard would be
damaged. So a new mainboard came and also a new cpu. I changed to an
Asus A7V-E with a AMD Duron upon it. The harddisk was a Western Digital
with 20 GByte capacity. I began to increase my work on linux - mainly
struggling with getting the system configured :) - and let me say, about 
almost half a year again this strange sound came from my beloved WD hdd.
Concerned about this new shocking event I went to my retailer to make
use of my warranty. Now I got this new hdd. A WD 40GByte diskspace. She
lasted from October last year till a few days ago. She still is at work
but only because there is no working hdd around and I am not willed
to buy any new until I know where damages came from. Oh, I forgot,
due to power blackout - a worker drilled right through the power cable -
my AMD Duron died and I'm having a new system since three weeks now.
It's a dual Intel Celeron 533 installed on a Abit BP6 Board.
Rememberring, that I had lost documents of a high priority for me on
my first hdd that gave this horrible concert I tried to rescue some
data. Well, I wasn't able to rescue the important stuff but at least
some personal data. Since the day I attached this old hdd to my system my
WD 40 GByte sings the song of destruction. You know what I mean, this
strange sound that twangs like a read/write header of a harddisks got
stuck. Friends of mine, interested in hardware but not all really
familiar with the stuff and also Microsoftlovers keep on telling me
'Linux is the source of all evil'.

I'm pretty unused to make real analyzes and so I hope that someone
could tell me how to find the source that leads to those hdd damages.
Could it be a unlucky hardware setting of mine?

Frank
 
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Re: How do I discover the X version I'm running? [further question]

[Paul E Condon]

OK, so I'm really using kernel 2.2.19, but...
I have been under the impression that the method of packet filtering/forwarding
changed from something called 'ipchains' in 2.2 to something called 'iptables'
in 2.4. I see that 'iptables' stuff has been added in various places to my
file system, and 'ipchains' stuff seems to have been clobbered. I would like 
not to become too involved in network admin, but to fix my system I need to 
rebuild some stuff. How can I determine if I should follow recipes for 
'ipchains' or 'iptables' ? ( Or am I truly misinformed? )


On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 02:25:59PM -0700, ben wrote:
> On Friday 31 May 2002 01:54 pm, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > I ran "X -version" on my Debian system on which I have applied the
> > "go-woody" script to move from potato to woody. I got a result that puzzles
> > me.
> >
> > The "X -version" output contains a line
> > "Operating System: Linux 2.4.13 i686 [ELF]".
> > But when I run "uname -r", I get "2.2.19", and /proc/version contains
> > "Linux version 2.2.19 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) #1 Sat Jun 9
> > 13:04:06 EST 2001"
> >
> 
> 2.4.13 refers to the system that your version of x was built on. uname -r 
> gives you the kernel version you're running. 
> 
> ben
> 
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Re: decode base64 encoded partial files with mutt?

[Matijs van Zuijlen]

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 09:05:15PM -0500, dman wrote:
> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 06:41:55PM +0200, Matijs van Zuijlen wrote:
> | On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 08:01:57PM +0200, Bruno Boettcher wrote:
> | > Hello!
> | > i have a guy who doesn't stop to send me the info i need in splitted
> | > word documents, and he's unable to change his behaviour...
> | 
> | What's a splitted word document?
> 
> See RFC 2046, section 5.2.2.  (word really has nothing to do with
> this, except it is creating the over-large data)

Ah, I see. I thought he meant something Word-specific (e.g., like
fast-saved documents, which can also be a pain to convert).

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XFree 4.2 issues with locale

[Jeff Johnson]

So... Being one of those who has an unsupported video card in wody I
somewhat boldly installed the unofficial debs from:

deb http://chunk.mp3revolution.net/~aaronl/x ./

Everything works great... Except the following:

1.can't run several Gnome apps.(see extended text)

2. No text in the title bars or the tasklist (tasklist reads ???)

3.when I try to do several things apps crash (edit galeon settings,
change icon on taskbar etc.)

It seems to have something to do with locales but I cant really tell
what. Any Ideas? Thnks :)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gnome-terminal

Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C

Gdk-WARNING **: can not set locale modifiers

Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C

Gdk-WARNING **: can not set locale modifiers 


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Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

[Brian Nelson]

Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[snip]
> Fundamentally, Debian is committed to being a multi-architecture system
> for as long as porters are willing to support it. The Project Leader
> posted to debian-devel-announce about porting a couple of weeks ago, and
> summed up the issues quite nicely.

That must be this post here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2002/debian-devel-announce-200205/msg7.html

I would never argue for dropping support for arches unless there was no
longer any interest in them; however, I still think asynchronous
releases are a decent idea.  i386 undoubtedly gets far more testing and
should be ready for release before other arches.

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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[Pollywog]

On Fri, 31 May 2002 14:18:44 -0700

> 
>it was a mild rebuke. things can get quite heated on 
> this list sometimes. on behalf of people like me, don't let it put
> you off.

Yeah I felt like I was taken to the woodshed once or twice this
week, but I was not put off by it.


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Re: How do I discover the X version I'm running?

[David Z Maze]

Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The "X -version" output contains a line 
> "Operating System: Linux 2.4.13 i686 [ELF]".

That's probably the version of kernel installed on the system the X
server was built on.

> But when I run "uname -r", I get "2.2.19", and /proc/version contains
> "Linux version 2.2.19 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) #1
> Sat Jun 9 13:04:06 EST 2001"

Either of those should be pretty authoritative for figuring out which
kernel you actually have.

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fips

[Dano]

Hello,

I have a Thinkpad R30 with Windows 98.
When I run fips for install GNU/Debian have the next error:

---
...

Checking boot sector ...
Error: Number of sector (long) does not match partion info:
17917130 instead of 17917137

The number of sector in the partition table must match the number of
sectors in the boot sector

Bye!

---

Any ideas?

Thanks!
Dano


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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[Jaye Inabnit ke6sls]

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On Friday 31 May 2002 12:59 pm, ben wrote:
> On Friday 31 May 2002 12:29 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote:
> > And what exactly is LSB?
>
> [snip]
>
> > > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/
> > > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/
>
> you see those linky type things? they're actually addresses you can go to
> on the web. you know what the web is, don't you?
>
> jeez, dude, does your mommy move the mouse for you?
>
> ben

Ben, who pissed on your attitude today?   :|

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Re: Sound (?)

[Oleg]

FWIW, I found sndconfig (in Woody) useful. It did everything for me.

Oleg


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Re: Sound (?)

[Kent West]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've done most of my experimenting with XMMS, so that's where this question 
comes from.


When you try to use XMMS to play an MP3, what happens? Do you get an error 
about checking for the correct output plugin? Or does it seem to play but 
you simply hear no sound?


Kent



When I try to play an MP3, it brings up te standard error window asking if 
I've configured my card properly, have no programs blocking the card, and if I 
have the correct output plugin. I tried messing around with the output plugin, 
but there wasn't much to play around with. When I run lsmod, I see that all 
the modules are present, and when I look at amixer, I see that the volume 
levels are correct. I'm pretty much stumped! What do you (or anyone else on 
the list) think of the situtation?


Alex





This generally means that even though you have some soundcard modules 
installed, they aren't the correct modules or they're malfunctioning in 
some way.


We've had several sound card threads in the past couple of weeks and I'm 
not sure I can remember what your particular issues are; you might want 
to repost the relevant basics (what card you have, what modules you're 
using, whether or not you've compiled your own kernel or are using a 
pre-compiled one, what you've compiled in/modularized, what version of 
kernel, etc).


Kent


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Re: insmod lt_serial, lt_modem on Acer Extensa 501 Dx

[Paul Scott]

Arthur Dent wrote:





From: Olivier Crouzet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-laptop 
Subject: insmod lt_serial, lt_modem on Acer Extensa 501 Dx
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:21:37 +0200

Hi,

I am trying to get my lt winmodem work under linux. I have compiled my 
own

kernel and made the corresponding kernel-headers package using make-kpkg.
Everything works fine since I have installed this new kernel but I
encounter problems with the insertion of the lt_serial module (which has
to be inserted before the lt_modem one).




HI there Olivier



I'm very new to linux but I do have my lt winmodem in my latop going great.
I downloaded the latest source at the time I installed, maybe 3 months 
back.
I cant remember which version of the driver it was. I did the 
./build_module then the deb creation and it worked without a hitch. I 
installed debian Woody onto my compaq 1692 I have kernel version 
2.4.18-bf2.4. It goes exactly as well as it did under windows. I tried 
redhat before trying Debian as my main requirement was to get the 
machine to run all it's own hardware, but always incorrect kernel 
headers or symbol conflicts etc.
I'm not certain but I think lt_serial is a driver written by Lucent or 
agere as a raw core driver which the linux ommunity packages around 
different kernel versions and flavours of linux...I might well be wrong. 
But when I made deb it said the lt_serial was a proprietory driver where 
as lt_modem is free or whatever.

Dont suppose this helps much but take heart it will work.
I think it is maybe something to do with your custom kernel.
All the best to you, have you contacted linmodems.org?
Mike


I also have this modem running fine.  It would help if you would tell us 
what you tried and what happened.


This thread is now on debian-user even though I have cc'd the original 
poster.


Paul Scott


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Re: Clear HDD of old OS, etc?

[Ernst-Magne Vindal]

On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 19:28, Dave Price wrote:

Use chkdsk, fdisk or pqmagic. they can all format and build new
filesystems. Very easy to use to.
> Hi,
> 
> I am looking for a quick way to clear an HDD of old data, partitions,
> etc.
> 
> I found this on /. thru a google search:
> 
> dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hdX 
> 
> When i do this from a console shell after booting from a woody install
> disk, It does not seem to work ... i.e. I can still see the old
> partition table in fdisk ...
> 
> Is there maybe a better dd invocation ?
> 
> aloha,
> dave
> 
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Re: How do I discover the X version I'm running?

[ben]

On Friday 31 May 2002 01:54 pm, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I ran "X -version" on my Debian system on which I have applied the
> "go-woody" script to move from potato to woody. I got a result that puzzles
> me.
>
> The "X -version" output contains a line
> "Operating System: Linux 2.4.13 i686 [ELF]".
> But when I run "uname -r", I get "2.2.19", and /proc/version contains
> "Linux version 2.2.19 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) #1 Sat Jun 9
> 13:04:06 EST 2001"
>

2.4.13 refers to the system that your version of x was built on. uname -r 
gives you the kernel version you're running. 

ben


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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[Quenten Griffith]

To true, I was misspoken I should not of said "people" like you because it was
unfair of me to judge someone just by one post for that I apologize.
ben wrote:

> On Friday 31 May 2002 01:23 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote:
> > You know Ben its people like you that make posting anything to newsgroups
> > unenjoyable.  I did go to those links and they don't really give a great
> > description exactly what it is.  Did someone wake up on the wrong side of
> > the bed or are you always just completely rude to other people?
> >
>
> no, not always. but then, had you known that, you wouldn't make statements
> such as 'it's people like you' you might want to go with 'it's responses
> like yours'
>
> toughen up, quenten. it was a mild rebuke. things can get quite heated on
> this list sometimes. on behalf of people like me, don't let it put you off.
>
> ben
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Re: How do I discover the X version I'm running?

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 01:54:08PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I ran "X -version" on my Debian system on which I have applied the
> "go-woody" script to move from potato to woody. I got a result that
> puzzles me.
> 
> The "X -version" output contains a line 
> "Operating System: Linux 2.4.13 i686 [ELF]".
> But when I run "uname -r", I get "2.2.19", and /proc/version contains
> "Linux version 2.2.19 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) #1 Sat Jun 9 
> 13:04:06 EST 2001"
> 
> Should go-woody have installed kernel 2.4.13?

I haven't checked the script, but distribution upgrades generally don't
upgrade the kernel automatically. The 'X -version' output is probably
describing the system on which X was built.

> Did it? How can I determine, really, what kernel I am using?

'uname -r' is always correct.

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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[ben]

On Friday 31 May 2002 01:23 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote:
> You know Ben its people like you that make posting anything to newsgroups
> unenjoyable.  I did go to those links and they don't really give a great
> description exactly what it is.  Did someone wake up on the wrong side of
> the bed or are you always just completely rude to other people?
>

no, not always. but then, had you known that, you wouldn't make statements 
such as 'it's people like you' you might want to go with 'it's responses 
like yours' 

toughen up, quenten. it was a mild rebuke. things can get quite heated on 
this list sometimes. on behalf of people like me, don't let it put you off.

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Re: Possible anti-spam reject host

[Walter Reed]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 05:19:54PM +, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira 
wrote:
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>   I have a Debian GNU/Linux potato server with exim configured.
>   I received a strange message. What can be wrong?
>   TIA,Paulo Henrique.
> 
> > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).
> >
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Re: How do I discover the X version I'm running?

[Oleg]

On Friday 31 May 2002 04:54 pm, Paul E Condon wrote:

> The "X -version" output contains a line
> "Operating System: Linux 2.4.13 i686 [ELF]".

Probably means it was compiled for that system.

> But when I run "uname -r", I get "2.2.19", and /proc/version contains
> "Linux version 2.2.19 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) #1 Sat Jun 9
> 13:04:06 EST 2001"
> Should go-woody have installed kernel 2.4.13? Did it? How can I determine,
> really, what kernel I am using? 

uname -a

> I'm now interested in IP Masquerading and
> really need to know whether I'm doing ipchains or iptables (or maybe I'm
> mistaken, and don't need to know) Please clearify, someone.

If I'm reading you right, what you are interested in is IP *spoofing*, 
not masquerading:

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/I/IP_spoofing.html

If not, there's a FAQ on Masquerading out there

Oleg


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Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 12:06:48PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote:
> Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Yes. I've had to do the odd security update of my own packages in the
> > past, and I had to build packages for every architecture by hand.
> > Finding Debian-administered machines of the right architectures on which
> > the right build-dependencies are installed is a pain - and that was on
> > six architectures rather than the eleven that are going to release with
> > woody. (In fact, back then I couldn't get access to a suitable m68k
> > system at all, and I had to wait for one of the security team to sort
> > that out for me.)
> 
> I'm curious if there are any usage statistics out there regarding
> Debian's ports.  I would guess that at least 99% of all Debian users
> use maybe 2 of those ports.  Who here has even heard of SuperH?

We use five at work, if I've counted right, and I have several friends
who between them use two or three more. (Maybe my friends are atypical.)
SuperH isn't really relevant as it isn't being released.

99%, perhaps ... but for the remaining 1% it's invaluable, and many of
those 1% are valued developers.

> It seems silly that Debian spends so much time and effort on so many
> ports, and consequently delaying the stable release for months, when
> so few people actually use the ports.  If it takes so long and is such
> a pain to build packages on ancient archs like m68k, why not just
> release i386 now and release the other ports later when they're ready?

Debian is the only distribution that supports a number of these
architectures at all, and we're their last port of call; the commercial
distributions won't touch them if they don't improve the bottom line. As
a result there's a very strong movement within Debian not to treat
non-i386 users as second-class citizens.

The problems with building packages for lots of architectures in
unstable have largely been solved, anyway, and are being solved for
stable. From potato to woody there have been massive improvements in
both infrastructure (new archive maintenance software, 'testing',
distributed build daemons) and packaging (build-dependencies) which are
making it easier to support multiple architectures for the future.

It's also worth pointing out that the effort that some people see as
being wasted on other ports actually benefits the distribution as a
whole in the long run. For example, somebody complained a while back
about the number of bugs filed because packages didn't build on hppa;
what I suspect he didn't realize is that a large chunk of those bugs
were about gcc 3 support in C++ packages, which will be i386's default
compiler soon! It starts seeming a lot more worthwhile even to i386-only
people at that point.

Fundamentally, Debian is committed to being a multi-architecture system
for as long as porters are willing to support it. The Project Leader
posted to debian-devel-announce about porting a couple of weeks ago, and
summed up the issues quite nicely.

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Re: insmod lt_serial, lt_modem on Acer Extensa 501 Dx

[Arthur Dent]

From: Olivier Crouzet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-laptop 
Subject: insmod lt_serial, lt_modem on Acer Extensa 501 Dx
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:21:37 +0200

Hi,

I am trying to get my lt winmodem work under linux. I have compiled my own
kernel and made the corresponding kernel-headers package using make-kpkg.
Everything works fine since I have installed this new kernel but I
encounter problems with the insertion of the lt_serial module (which has
to be inserted before the lt_modem one).



HI there Olivier

I'm very new to linux but I do have my lt winmodem in my latop going great.
I downloaded the latest source at the time I installed, maybe 3 months back.
I cant remember which version of the driver it was. I did the ./build_module 
then the deb creation and it worked without a hitch. I installed debian 
Woody onto my compaq 1692 I have kernel version 2.4.18-bf2.4. It goes 
exactly as well as it did under windows. I tried redhat before trying Debian 
as my main requirement was to get the machine to run all it's own hardware, 
but always incorrect kernel headers or symbol conflicts etc.
I'm not certain but I think lt_serial is a driver written by Lucent or agere 
as a raw core driver which the linux ommunity packages around different 
kernel versions and flavours of linux...I might well be wrong. But when I 
made deb it said the lt_serial was a proprietory driver where as lt_modem is 
free or whatever.

Dont suppose this helps much but take heart it will work.
I think it is maybe something to do with your custom kernel.
All the best to you, have you contacted linmodems.org?
Mike


Olivier.

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Re: How do I discover the X version I'm running?

[Paul E Condon]

I ran "X -version" on my Debian system on which I have applied the 
"go-woody" script to move from potato to woody. I got a result that puzzles me.

The "X -version" output contains a line 
"Operating System: Linux 2.4.13 i686 [ELF]".
But when I run "uname -r", I get "2.2.19", and /proc/version contains
"Linux version 2.2.19 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) #1 Sat Jun 9 
13:04:06 EST 2001"

Should go-woody have installed kernel 2.4.13? Did it? How can I determine,
really, what kernel I am using? I'm now interested in IP Masquerading and 
really need to know whether I'm doing ipchains or iptables (or maybe I'm 
mistaken, and don't need to know) Please clearify, someone.


On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:39:39PM +0200, Kristian Rink wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2002 16:37:55 -0300
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
> > How do I know what X version I'm running?
> > TIA
> 
> X -version
> 
> Cheers,
> Kris
> 
> 
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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[Rick Macdonald]

Google is so amazing I hardly need to post to lists anymore. Sometimes I
try it before looking at man pages. ;-) Entering "lsb" gives this as the
first hit:
Linux Standard Base
Latest Happenings, About the LSB. Specification Proposals The latest draft of
various specification proposals are now listed on the specification
sub-page. ...Description: The goal of the Linux Standard Base (LSB) is to 
develop and
promote a set of standards that will...Category: Computers > Software > 
Operating Systems > Linux > Projects >
Standardswww.linuxbase.org/ - 8k - 30 May 2002 - Cached - Similar pages

Quenten Griffith said:
> You know Ben its people like you that make posting anything to
> newsgroups unenjoyable.  I did go to those links and they don't really
> give a great description exactly what it is.  Did someone wake up on
> the wrong side of the bed or are you always just completely rude to
> other people?
>
> ben wrote:
>
>> On Friday 31 May 2002 12:29 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote:
>> > And what exactly is LSB?
>> >
>> [snip]
>> > > >
>> > > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/
>> > > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/
>> > >
>>
>> you see those linky type things? they're actually addresses you can go
>> to on the web. you know what the web is, don't you?
>>
>> jeez, dude, does your mommy move the mouse for you?
>>
>> ben


...RickM...



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Re: List etiquette/ Thanks everyone

[Daniel Toffetti]

> Can someone tell me what is the agreed upon method on this list for
> saying thanks.
> There were so many replies to my questions it would be a very long
> job to reply to everyone individually with thanks, though if thats
> how it goes thats what I'll do.

I think there is no standard method, I believe it's nice to see any of 
the posts in the thread replied with a prepending "[SOLVED]" in the 
subject line. That way those who helped are acknowledged that their 
suggestions were useful.
You may express your gratitude within the message body in the way you 
feel inclined, but it's also useful to explain the details of your 
problem and the way you finally solved it, so the experience is spread 
amongst everyone.

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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[Quenten Griffith]

You know Ben its people like you that make posting anything to newsgroups
unenjoyable.  I did go to those links and they don't really give a great
description exactly what it is.  Did someone wake up on the wrong side of the 
bed
or are you always just completely rude to other people?

ben wrote:

> On Friday 31 May 2002 12:29 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote:
> > And what exactly is LSB?
> >
> [snip]
> > > >
> > > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/
> > > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/
> > >
>
> you see those linky type things? they're actually addresses you can go to on
> the web. you know what the web is, don't you?
>
> jeez, dude, does your mommy move the mouse for you?
>
> ben
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Re: [Announce] 1.0.0-4 .debs for i386

[Paul Scott]

Florentin Ionescu wrote:

Is this a bug please ? How exactly is openoffice to be installed ?
I have dpkg -s libgcc => Version: 1:3.0.4-7 installed
and on the other hand
apt-get instll openoffice.org =>
 openoffice.org: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:3.1) but 1:3.0.4-7  \
 is to be installed

Is there any way around this on woody ?


There is a better discussion of this on debian-openoffice but I believe 
you have to get libgcc1 (>= 1:3.1) from unstable by either just getting 
the deb and installing it with dpkg -i or adding unstable main to your 
sources.list  and using:


apt-get install libgcc1/unstable

HTH,

Paul


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Possible anti-spam reject host

[Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira]

Hi all,
I have a Debian GNU/Linux potato server with exim configured.
I received a strange message. What can be wrong?
TIA,Paulo Henrique.

> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).
>
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> host mail.otherdomain.net [otherip.otherip.otherip.otherip]: 550 5.7.1 
> Mail from myip.myip.myip.myip
refused by blackhole site dnsbl.njabl.org
>
>





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Re: [Fwd: Re: Possible problem with mozilla-browser 1+rc3-1 and flash]

[gerhard]

Hi Ron,

Am Freitag, 31. Mai 2002 17:27 schrieb Ron Johnson:
> As background, my system does not have a sound card, and
> flash animations work fine on my system.

Now sound is disabled and I'm sure I got the bug 
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58339.
Flash animation works now and I couldn't reproduce your bug.

sorry about the confusion, I thought sound was disabled before.

bye

gerhard


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Re: synaptic ???

[Scott Henson]

On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 22:49, Andy Saxena wrote:
> On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 11:39:35PM -0500, Michael D. Schleif wrote:
> > 
> > Andy Saxena wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 08:40:27PM -0500, Michael D. Schleif wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anybody used synaptic on debian to manage rpm's?
> > > >
> > > > It is a graphical/x app that must run as root -- and, by default, root
> > > > cannot run x apps ;<
> > > 
> > > Eh? I run X apps all the time. Heck, I can even run KDE/ Gnome as root.
> > > As far as I can remember, I didn't do anything special to enable this.
> > > 
> > > Care to enlighten me?
> > 
> > I've seen it before; and, on this new woody, root cannot start x.  I've
> > seen this on this List, too.
> > 
> > I do not know where this is configured; but, as my other post asks, I'd
> > like to know how to manage this.
> > 
> 
> What is the error message you get when you type startx in the console?

KDM will most definately let you use XF86 as root.  I think thats the
only way you can do config on KDE apps.  But Im not sure.


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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[ben]

On Friday 31 May 2002 12:29 pm, Quenten Griffith wrote:
> And what exactly is LSB?
>
[snip]
> > >
> > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/
> > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/
> >

you see those linky type things? they're actually addresses you can go to on 
the web. you know what the web is, don't you?

jeez, dude, does your mommy move the mouse for you?

ben


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Re: Unresolved symbols in binfmt_aout.o

[Shaul Karl]

> I'm a hardware guy trying to use some of the EDA tools available for linux.
> The last thing I want to do is start compiling code :). Unless this is
> easier than it sounds.
> 
> My preference would be to remove binfmt_aout from the list of modules. I
> don't think I need it. Any advice on how to do that?
> 
> Thanks.
> Jim
> 


Compile a kernel, with or without Debian's make-kpkg package is easier 
then it sounds but you will still need to devote some time to it, 
especially since you are doing it for the first time. However you might 
consider using the same kernel configuration that your Debian image 
uses but without the a.out module together with make-kpkg. Hopefully 
this will let you to enroll a custom kernel easily.
  Although I am not sure I believe that the fact that there should be a 
binfmt_aout module is hard coded in the kernel. Therefore I believe you 
want be able to completely get away of this by not compiling a new 
kernel. However, since a.out format is not used much as far as I know 
you might simply disregard it. I am also not sure that the problem with 
this module is what keeps you from loading other modules. What happens 
when you are trying to insmod some module which is not loaded?

BTW: What are the EDA tools?


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> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 5:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Unresolved symbols in binfmt_aout.o
> 
> 
> > As a last resort you might compile it in (as opposed to being a module).
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t
> >
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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On 31-May-2002 Quenten Griffith wrote:
> And what exactly is LSB?
> 

Linux Standards Base.  It is defining what a linux distribution has to have. 
see http://www.linuxbase.org.


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"mplayer -vo xvidix" problems with sudo

[Oleg]

Hi

The only way I can get mplayer to work as well as or better than its Windows 
counterpart on my hardware is by using "-vo xvidix" option that requires 
superuser privileges,  so I added

oleg ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/mplayer *

to /etc/sudoers. Now "sudo mplayer -vo xvidix file_name" starts (no 
permission problems), but fails with these errors:

 errors when running with sudo

No vidix driver name provided, probing available ones!
vosub_vidix: Couldn't find working VIDIX driver
Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device!
---end

Surprisingly, however, after doing "su" instead of using sudo, everything 
works fine (output below). Why the different behaviour with sudo compared to 
su?


Thanks
Oleg





---output when running as root -

No vidix driver name provided, probing available ones!
[genfb] probe
Error occured durint open: No such device
[mach64] Found chip: 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X
[mach64] Video memory = 2Mb
[mach64] Planar YUV formats are supported :)
vosub_vidix: Using: BES driver for Mach64/3DRage cards by Nick Kurshev and 
Michael Niedermayer
==
Opening Video Decoder: [mpegpes] MPEG 1/2 Video passthrough
VDec: vo config request - 220 x 160, Mpeg PES  
[PP] Sorry, postprocessing is not available
Couldn't find matching colorspace - retrying with -vop scale...
SwScale: -1 x -1 (-1=no scaling)
Sorry, selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.
VDecoder init failed :(
Opening Video Decoder: [libmpeg2] MPEG 1/2 Video decoder v2.0
libmpeg2: Using MMX for IDCT transform
libmpeg2: Using 3DNOW for motion compensation
VDec: vo config request - 220 x 160, Planar YV12  
[PP] Sorry, postprocessing is not available
Movie-Aspect is 1.33:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect.
VO: [xvidix] 220x160 => 220x164 Planar YV12 
vo: X11 running at 1024x768 with depth 16 and 16 bits/pixel (":0.0" => local 
display)
[xvidix] image properties: 220x160 depth: 12
vosub_vidix: using 1 buffers
[xvidix] window properties: pos: 402x302, size: 220x164
Disabling DPMS
stat: 1
Detected video codec: [mpeg12] drv:1 prio:0 (MPEG 1 or 2)
==
AO: [oss] 44100Hz Stereo Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian)
ao2: 44100 Hz  2 chans  Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian)
audio_setup: sample format: Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian) (requested: Signed 
16-bit (Little-Endian))
audio_setup: using 2 channels (requested: 2)
audio_setup: using 44100 Hz samplerate (requested: 44100)
audio_setup: frags:  16/16  (4096 bytes/frag)  free:  65536
Start playing...
*** [vo] Allocating mp_image_t, 224x160x12bpp YUV planar, 53760 bytes
[xvidix] window properties: pos: 402x302, size: 220x164
*** [vo] Allocating mp_image_t, 224x160x12bpp YUV planar, 53760 bytes0%
*** [vo] Allocating mp_image_t, 224x160x12bpp YUV planar, 53760 bytes0%
A:   2.0 V:   2.1 A-V: -0.095 ct: -0.019   31/ 31  11%  1%  1.4% 0 0 0%
*** free_stream() called ***
Successfully enabled DPMS
vo: uninit ...


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Re: [Announce] 1.0.0-4 .debs for i386

[Florentin Ionescu]

Is this a bug please ? How exactly is openoffice to be installed ?
I have dpkg -s libgcc => Version: 1:3.0.4-7 installed
and on the other hand
apt-get instll openoffice.org =>
 openoffice.org: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:3.1) but 1:3.0.4-7  \
 is to be installed

Is there any way around this on woody ?

Thank you,
 Florentin.


On Thu, 30 May 2002, Paul Scott wrote :

» Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:32:59 -0700
» From: Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
» To: Debian User 
» Subject: Re: [Announce] 1.0.0-4 .debs for i386
» Resent-Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:42:00 -0700
» Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
»
» dman wrote:
» > On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 10:51:14AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
» >
» > | joy:/home/paul# apt-get install openoffice.org
» > ...
» > | Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
» > |   openoffice.org: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:3.1) but 1:3.0.4-7 is to be
» > | installed
» >
» > $ apt-cache policy libgcc1
» > libgcc1:
» >   Installed: 1:3.0.4-7
» >   Candidate: 1:3.0.4-7
» >   Version Table:
» >  1:3.1-2 0
» >  95 http://http.us.debian.org sid/main Packages
» >  *** 1:3.0.4-7 0
» > 990 http://http.us.debian.org testing/main Packages
» > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
» >
» > Looks like you're not using sid.
»
» I have a woody/sid system with preferences.  I just learned I had to do:
»
» apt-get install libgcc1/unstable
»
» to override the version I had.
»
» Thanks,
»
» Paul
»
»
»

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Have a nice day on the planet earth...
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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[Quenten Griffith]

And what exactly is LSB?

Grant Bowman wrote:

> * Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020531 10:15]:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > Is there a url describing Debian 3.0's conformance with or
> > > roadway to conformance with the LSB?
> >
> > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/
> > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/
>
> looked at ~taggart/lsb/ lately?  It seems to me a link is missing unless
> it should be to your page, Joey.
>
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location of Maildir - /var/mail or ~/Maildir?

[Roach, Mark R.]

I know this might be a religious matter, but is there a good reason for
maildirs to go in ~/Maildir? This seems to be the only way courier will
handle things, but I would like to be able to mount /var/mail from my
mail server on my other systems so I can read mail without imap being
involved (grep'ing, etc).

I see that with authuserdb, I can specify /var/mail for the Maildir, but
I would prefer to not have to keep a separate password database just for
imap. (I am currently using pam to authenticate against my ldap
directory). 

Does anyone have any suggestions on what "the one right way" to do
things is? should all mail be accessed via imap, should the mail server
mount the users' home directories, or some other, better option that I
am too dense to think of :) ?

Thanks for any input,

-Mark


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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[Grant Bowman]

* Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020531 11:47]:
> Grant Bowman wrote:
> > * Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020531 10:15]:
> > > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > Is there a url describing Debian 3.0's conformance with or
> > > > roadway to conformance with the LSB?
> > > 
> > > http://people.debian.org/~taggart/lsb/
> > > http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/lsbtest/
> > 
> > looked at ~taggart/lsb/ lately?  It seems to me a link is missing unless
> > it should be to your page, Joey.
> 
> What, it links to the old version of his page, and mention's woody's lsb
> package, which contains current information of everything that used to
> be on that page. Read.

OH, taggart moved the pages into the PACKAGE.  I incorrectly read this
as page and didn't understand what "Debian lsb page" was being
referenced.  Why would you move web pages into a package and remove them
from the web?  It's just an extra step for those surfing for this info.
I already have the package installed.

Sorry,

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Re: Weirdness in "apt-get upgrade"

[Brian Nelson]

Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 12:12:01PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 11:53, Colin Watson wrote:
>> > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 11:41:05AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> > > Isn't the issue regarding "a better way to do security releases"
>> > > one of the big reasons why v3.0 hasn't been released yet?
>> > 
>> > Correct, and there's substantial work on the build daemons happening at
>> 
>> That's to make the builds across all 85 platforms run more 
>> smoothly, i.e. to get them out in a more timely manner?
>
> Yes. I've had to do the odd security update of my own packages in the
> past, and I had to build packages for every architecture by hand.
> Finding Debian-administered machines of the right architectures on which
> the right build-dependencies are installed is a pain - and that was on
> six architectures rather than the eleven that are going to release with
> woody. (In fact, back then I couldn't get access to a suitable m68k
> system at all, and I had to wait for one of the security team to sort
> that out for me.)

I'm curious if there are any usage statistics out there regarding
Debian's ports.  I would guess that at least 99% of all Debian users
use maybe 2 of those ports.  Who here has even heard of SuperH?

It seems silly that Debian spends so much time and effort on so many
ports, and consequently delaying the stable release for months, when
so few people actually use the ports.  If it takes so long and is such
a pain to build packages on ancient archs like m68k, why not just
release i386 now and release the other ports later when they're ready?

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Re: Clear HDD of old OS, etc?

[Joris]

>> I am looking for a quick way to clear an HDD of old data, partitions,
>> etc.
>>
> I don't see any mention of removing data for strong security concerns,
> so I will assume that you just want to recycle the drive for another
> purpose.  I would recommend running fdisk, removing the partitions and
> simply use the drive in your new application.

By the way, if you want to wipe the drive completely, ie for security
reasons, just cfdisk, delete all partitions, create one big linux
partition, and run 'mke2fs -c -c /dev/hdX'. It will write (and read) four
patterns (0xaa, 0x55, 0x00 and 0xff, iirc) to the whole disk, to check
for bad blocks.


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Re: [Fwd: Re: Possible problem with mozilla-browser 1+rc3-1 and flash]

[gerhard]

Hello Ren,

Am Freitag, 31. Mai 2002 19:36 schrieben Sie:

> There is some kind of audio wrapper in rc3 that should avoid
> hangs if /dev/dsp is already taken and flash wants to access the
> audio device.
 
That might be the reason, but unfortunately I don't know how to 
make shure, that the sounddevice no longer influence the 
flash-plugin neither mozilla itself.

ok I got it:

If I type the following:
debian:/home/gerhard# /etc/init.d/alsa stop
Storing ALSA mixer settings...done.
Shutting down ALSA sound driver (version 0.9.0beta10): no. (sound 
is being used
by pid 22111 )
debian:/home/gerhard# ps ax | grep  22111
22111 ?S  1:06 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -d -s 60 -m 
artsmessage

Just kill artsmessage? How can I diable it? And for what is it in 
use? I can't find anything useful about it. Not by apt-cache either 
by man or kde-help.

I killed artsmessage and now mozilla doesn't crash on flash. Weird 
because I'm shure about the fact the swf doesn't plays any sound.
 
Is there a way to avoid kde starting the soundserver, and start or 
stop it by hand?

What's about disable the flash-plugin. Is there a pref option?

I can't reproduce the crash like described by Ron on 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/25510.html

> It might have something to do with that.  It is new compared to
> 1.0rc2.

Thank you

gerhard


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Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?

[Joey Hess]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> I also see a lot of " not part of debian base install.
> No problem."  To my untrained eye, that looks like a dodge

No, it's a recognition of a crummy test suite. The lsb does not itself
mention, eg, /etc/gettydefs -- which cannot be a part of debian since
the gettyps package that contains it is non-free. The test suite
however, tests against the entire FHS, which includes a statement to the
effect of, "gettydefs, if it exists, must be in /etc". Nowhere does it
mandate that this non-free part of software be part of a FHS compliant
or a LSB compliant system. In all such cases, I looked at the packages
and made sure they installed the file into the right place, and then put
in one of those comments.

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