Re: Home network design recommendations/tips sought (long)

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 08:58:10PM +0200, Balazs Javor wrote:
> - Right now I'm using the exim/fetchmail/procmail/mutt combo for my mail.
>   And I'm quite happy with the result.
>   If I move to the other Linux box as my primary workstation, the question
>   arises where to receive the mail to?
>   I would prefer to keep them on the server and to be able to use them on 
>   both machine as it would be on the local machine.
>   I guess this means either IMAP or exporting the mail dir through NFS...

I have i486DX2-50MHz as slow machine.  I use this as main server
(SMTP/POP/SAMBA/NSF/SSH/... and IPMASQ).  I keep this machine 24/7.

All other machine get rebooted for several reasons.  One Linux is main
WS.  I fetchmail external POP account to both SLOW machine and WS with
different intervals.  SLOW machine is few times a day too keep my external
POP manageable.  WS not only fetchmail from external POP but also from
SLOW machine so I eventually get mail one way or another :)

This set up works nicely with my wife's PC on LAN.  Since mail are
cached at local POP server using POP, she has comfortable speed of
access feelings :)  

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Glib Question

[Osamu Aoki]

On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 02:06:32PM +1000, Matthew Dalton wrote:
> Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 11:02:16AM -0700, Larry Smith wrote:
> > > I run Potato, which installs with glib 1.2.
^  OOps.
> You're confusing the original question. Larry was not asking about
> glibc, but rather glib, which is a tool library with implementations of
> various abstract data types (lists, hashes etc). It is one of the main
> dependencies of the GTK toolkit.

You are darn right.  Old man needed reading glass.

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omnibook 2000ct & X

[wvl]

Hello list,

I've run into a problem which is starting to get on my nerves. I did a new 
install of debian unstable on a HP Omnibook 2000mt and whatever I tried I was 
unable to get X to work properly.

The following happens:

after booting into X no keyboard or mouse input is possible. However, when 
attaching an external keyboard both the laptop's mouse and keyboard, and the 
external keyboard work fine.

Afraid I can't give much specifics about the setup at the moment because the 
laptop is with it's rightfull (, unhappy ;) owner. I've used the pc101 and 
pc104 keyboard settings, and for the mouse ps/2 and /dev/psaux.

Also, I'm unable to get it's sound working. The only thing that happens when I 
play a sound I hear the speakers make a *blip* kind of noise. Sound familar 
to anyone?

A few specs from google:

Chips and Technologies CT65545 video controller
(I'm using the 'chips' driver)

Integrated PS/2 mouse (J-key style mouse)
(PS/2, /dev/psaux)

Crystal PnP CS4232 sound card
(CS4232. Checked Kmix, volume settings are alright and the aforementioned 
*blip* responds to changing the 'master' volume setting)

- wvl



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Re: NIC not installed

[Rodney D. Myers]

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On 30-Jun-2002 Mark Roach wrote:
> On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 10:48, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
>> I have one lingering problem with my new Debian install.
>> 
>> I have most things "under" control, but the one things that is not
>> allowing me to connect to my internal network, nor the internet. The
>> NIC is recognized, but I have been unable to get it working.
>> 
>> Is there a document, HOWTO, cheat sheet, on how to get a 3c59X
>> network card recognized, and configured under Debian?
> 
> well, the recognized part should be easy, run 'modprobe 3c59x' (to
> make it permanent, add 3c59x to /etc/modules)
> 
> the next step is to run 'man interfaces' or if you like nice examples,
> you can 'zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz'
> 
> -Mark

got the modprobe accomplished. The next step was (I hope) what I am
looking for.

I will look into it in the morning.

Again, thanks for the pointer.

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Re: Glib Question

[Matthew Dalton]

Osamu Aoki wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 11:02:16AM -0700, Larry Smith wrote:
> > I run Potato, which installs with glib 1.2.
> >
> > I notice that recently made applications require newer glibs, such as
> > glib 2.x
> >
> > Is it possible to update the glib version on Potato, or must I update
> > my entire operating system?
> >
> > If an update is available in Potato, would doing so screw up utilities
> > that expect the older glib?
> >
> > How does one upgrade a glib, given that some many system functions
> > depend upon it?
> 
> At  this stage, woody is deep freeze.  Unless you are running production
> server, woody is stable as hell for console applications such as gcc and
> much newer.
> 
> See my below document for details od upgrade or see new installmanual
> for debian woody.  It automatically upgrade to newer glibc.  This ease
> of upgrade is THE best thing on Debian.

You're confusing the original question. Larry was not asking about
glibc, but rather glib, which is a tool library with implementations of
various abstract data types (lists, hashes etc). It is one of the main
dependencies of the GTK toolkit.

Larry - to answer the original question: It is possible to upgrade the
glib version on Potato, but glib2.0 is not available as a binary package
on Potato. It shouldn't be a problem to compile the libglib2.0 sources
from testing or unstable though, and it shouldn't conflict with your
existing libglib1.2 either.

However, if you are upgrading glib as the first step in upgrading your
whole Gnome environment, you'd be much better off just upgrading your
whole system from Potato to Woody. It would be both quicker and easier
in the long run. (okay, *now* you can read Osamu's debian reference :)

Matthew


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Re: Home network design recommendations/tips sought (long)

[Neal Lippman]

On Sunday 30 June 2002 18:29, Mark Roach wrote:
> On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 21:06, Neal Lippman wrote:
> > In terms of email: I use kde on my linux workstation, and the rest of my
> > family uses outlook or outlook express on their windows boxen. I use an
> > smtp server on my website (outside my lan) to accumulate email, and then
> > d/l it into kmail via pop. Kmail, of course, stores its file on my nfs
> > share, so they are (in theory) accessible no matter where I log in on the
> > network. In practice, however, kde (and gnome, for that matter) don't
> > seem to know anything about multiple simultaneous logins (essentially
> > they don't handle multiple instances of kmail or any other K'apps
> > properly) so one wants to be careful about that sort of situation.
>
> From what I know, kmail uses mbox type files to save email, and since
> you can't lock only part of a file, this is why you can only log in from
> one machine at a time (I think that is what you were talking about,
> right?) I have found IMAP to be much more flexible. I am logged in to my
> imap server from three different computers at the moment, my laptop,
> desktop, and my work system over a vpn. I would highly reccomend IMAP
> instead of POP as a solution because of its greater flexibility. just my
> 2 cents   

Interesting idea. Are you using kmail as your email client, configured 
to 
access an IMAP server, or are you using some other email client?

Since I don't really want to leave messages on my outside email host 
for 
very long (my disk space is probably limited, and in any case that's not 
really the place to accumulate stuff), I suppose what I really want to do is 
periodically d/l all my mail from there (via pop or whatever) to my LAN's 
fileserver, and have that function as an IMAP server to allow access to my 
email store.

Is it the case that messages on an IMAP server remain there until 
deleted, 
in contrast to the pop method where they are retrieved directly to the 
client? If so, then an IMAP server really functinos much like Microsoft's 
exchange server - as a message store. What's a decent IMAP server for linux?

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Re: Installing from ISO

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 04:03:50PM +0200, Robert Ian Smit wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 06:55:00PM +0300, Sergey A. Ovchar wrote:
>  
> > How to mount iso images I know. At current time I'm use RH7.3 ,which
> > was installed from iso images. But I don't understand, how can I
> > make the bootable floppy (in case with debian) and wat can I do
> > further ;-(

If you use IDEPCI floppies with normal DESKTOP PC and NIC, you need only
2 floppies for Debian.  Why download packages in iso which you may not
use?  Debian is very lean.  It ain't RH.

> I installed Debian from a boot disk. Read the manual for more
> information.
Yes. Please read http://www.debian.org

Especially http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst (network install)
   http://www.debian.org/distrib/ (general install info)

> The install system will pretty soon ask for something like
> basedep.tgz. Make sure you either download that file or extract it
> from the ISO to a reachable partition on your system before you boot
> with the floppy. The installer offers to look for that file on your
> partitions (even FAT I believe).  
Yes FAT, MSDOS, EXT2, ...
> Once the base system installation is underway, you can at some point
> switch to another login and mount the ISO for the installation of the
> rest of the packages.
Or install from network :)
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Re: Where's the Woody Boot Floppy Image?

[Greg C. Madden]

On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 15:57, Matthew Tedder wrote:
> 
> What image do I need to put on floppy to make it boot up for installation?
> 
> I finally successfully download all 8 Woody CDs but the machine I want to 
> test it on is an old one and won't boot off the CD ROM.
> 
> I tried the rescue image... It just brought up the previosly installed Potato.
> 
> Matthew
> 
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If you have the images on your hd you can:

clos:/pub/iso/jigdo# mount debian-30p10-i386-binary-1.iso -t iso9660 -o
loop loop/

clos:/pub/iso/jigdo/loop# cd debian/install/

README.sbmcompact.bin   lincompt  rawrite2.exe  sbm.bin
TRANS.TBL doc   linpcirawrite2.txt  setlang.bat
bf24.bin  idepci.binlinux rescue.bin
boot.bat  lin24 loadlin.exe   root.bin


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Re: proxy filtering

[Brian Nelson]

Paul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Are there any good proxy filter programs for Linux?  Anything comparable
> to Proxomitron (http://www.spamblocked.com/proxomitron/)?
>
> I've trying junkbusters and squid blacklists...

There's privoxy in unstable, which is based on junkbuster.  There's also
a Linux version of webwasher available, but it's non-free.

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Re: sound card

[Mark Roach]

On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 06:04, BEMason wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I have a no-name CS4232-kq-Crystal-PnP-based sound card with an on-board
> IDE
> (CD-ROM) controller, which is positively 16-bit. But I have lost the
> card
> driver, can you send the card driver or tell me where I can find the
> card
> driver.
It looks like 'modprobe cs4232' ought to do it, but I don't know how
well that card works. I would reccomend that you install the sndconfig
package.

-Mark


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Re: NIC not installed

[Mark Roach]

On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 10:48, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
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> 
> I have one lingering problem with my new Debian install.
> 
> I have most things "under" control, but the one things that is not
> allowing me to connect to my internal network, nor the internet. The NIC
> is recognized, but I have been unable to get it working.
> 
> Is there a document, HOWTO, cheat sheet, on how to get a 3c59X network
> card recognized, and configured under Debian?

well, the recognized part should be easy, run 'modprobe 3c59x' (to make
it permanent, add 3c59x to /etc/modules)

the next step is to run 'man interfaces' or if you like nice examples,
you can 'zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz'

-Mark


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proxy filtering

[Paul Miller]

Are there any good proxy filter programs for Linux?  Anything comparable
to Proxomitron (http://www.spamblocked.com/proxomitron/)?

I've trying junkbusters and squid blacklists...

Thanks,
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Re: Home network design recommendations/tips sought (long)

[Mark Roach]

On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 21:06, Neal Lippman wrote:
> In terms of email: I use kde on my linux workstation, and the rest of my 
> family uses outlook or outlook express on their windows boxen. I use an smtp 
> server on my website (outside my lan) to accumulate email, and then d/l it 
> into kmail via pop. Kmail, of course, stores its file on my nfs share, so 
> they are (in theory) accessible no matter where I log in on the network. In 
> practice, however, kde (and gnome, for that matter) don't seem to know 
> anything about multiple simultaneous logins (essentially they don't handle 
> multiple instances of kmail or any other K'apps properly) so one wants to be 
> careful about that sort of situation.

>From what I know, kmail uses mbox type files to save email, and since
you can't lock only part of a file, this is why you can only log in from
one machine at a time (I think that is what you were talking about,
right?) I have found IMAP to be much more flexible. I am logged in to my
imap server from three different computers at the moment, my laptop,
desktop, and my work system over a vpn. I would highly reccomend IMAP
instead of POP as a solution because of its greater flexibility. just my
2 cents

-Mark


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Re: How to setup IP Masquerading client

[Mark Roach]

On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 20:59, Romel Sandoval wrote:
> Thank to all who help me with my IP Addresses problem
> 
> Now I have successfuly configured an IP Masquerading linux gateway, of
> course with the 192.168.0.1 IP. I know its working correctly because I
> have a windows machine as client getting the Internet from this linux
> gateway.
> 
> But I dont know what files I must edit in Debian to function as a client
> and how. Help!!!

run "route add default gw 192.168.0.1"

to make the change permanent, add the line: 
gateway 192.168.0.1

under the appropriate interface

-Mark


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Re: normal user access to serial port

[Mark Roach]

On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 18:55, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> How does one allow a normal user to access a serial port?
> I'm confused about which device/group to configure.

IMO the right way to do this is to add the user to the group which is
allowed access to the device... for example

on my system, /dev/ttyS0 points to /dev/tts/0

an ls -l /dev/tts/0 gives

crw-rw1 root dialout4,  64 Dec 31  1969 /dev/tts/0

Which means that the user root has rw access and the group dialout has
rw access as well. So to give a user rw access, you can simply run (as
root)

adduser  dialout

then log out and back in and you should be all set.

This is how things should work for all devices

Hope that helps

-Mark


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Where's the Woody Boot Floppy Image?

[Matthew Tedder]

What image do I need to put on floppy to make it boot up for installation?

I finally successfully download all 8 Woody CDs but the machine I want to 
test it on is an old one and won't boot off the CD ROM.

I tried the rescue image... It just brought up the previosly installed Potato.

Matthew


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Re: Logout script

[Carlos Sousa]

On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:36:12 -0400 "Kapil Khosla"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> In my current setting if I press ctrl-alt-del, my system shuts down. I
> saw something in /etc/inittab like
> 
> # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed.
> ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now

I have this too, works great from the console.

> I want to logout and restart my KDM and window  manager by pressing
> CTRL-ALT-DEL, Can anyone explain how can this be done,

The Alt+Ctrl+Del logs me out of KDE, as you want.

Try this: start the KDE Control Center (K -> KControl), select "Look &
Feel", then "Key Bindings". Look for the "Logout" entry, mine contains
"Alt+Ctrl+Delete", and is marked as Default Key. What does yours say?
Perhaps you've changed it some time ago?

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Re: Logout script

[Eric G. Miller]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 09:36:12PM -0400, Kapil Khosla wrote:
> Hi,
> In my current setting if I press ctrl-alt-del, my system shuts down. I saw 
> something in /etc/inittab like
> 
> # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed.
> ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now
> 
> I want to logout and restart my KDM and window  manager by pressing 
> CTRL-ALT-DEL, 
> Can anyone explain how can this be done,
> The window manager I use is sawfish and I use KDM to login,

Note: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace will kill the X session under the default
setup.  After which, KDM should respawn.  However, this is rarely what
you want to do, since it can muck up your session management.  What you
probably want to do is map a hot key sequence in X, that'll perform
a logout.  I'm remembering that Sawfish has an easy way to setup such
key sequences...

You almost certainly don't want to mess with inittab for such
functionality...

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Re: What pkgs need to be installed to use "make html_docs"?

[Gary Turner]

On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:05:28 -0600, Sivea Key wrote:

,snip>
>
>BTW, how DO you get the error messages to print to a file? As I mentioned
>above, I only got the successful parts of the run in the file I pointed to;
>once the errors started, the file ended, it seems.

Using the redirection 2> whatwentwrong.err will send stderr to the named
file.  It may be that you create the file "touch errorfile.name", then
concatenate with 2>>errorfile.name will work better.

for example:

touch error.file
texi2html some.texi some.html 2>> error.file

I'm new to this redirection stuff, and I have no clue to the syntax for
texi2html.  I'm sure someone will jump in with the straight poop.

In any case, you won't break anything so give it a try. ;)
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Re: Logout script

[Tom Cook]

On  0, Kapil Khosla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> In my current setting if I press ctrl-alt-del, my system shuts down. I saw 
> something in /etc/inittab like
> 
> # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed.
> ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now
> 
> I want to logout and restart my KDM and window  manager by pressing 
> CTRL-ALT-DEL, 
> Can anyone explain how can this be done,
> The window manager I use is sawfish and I use KDM to login,

Not a good solution, but:

ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/usr/sbin/slay $username

would do it.  A little less violently:

ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/bin/bash -c "ps auwx | grep sawfish | awk '{print
$1;}' | xargs kill

But if you really want a violent way out of your X session, can't you
set up a shortcut key combination to exit sawfish?  Or, if that's not
good enough, what's wrong with ctrl-alt-backspace?

Tom
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Re: Home network design recommendations/tips sought (long)

[Jason Bleazard]

Neal Lippman wrote:

.
 
> I use nfs for access from linux systems because that just seems to make more
> sense, even though I could, in theory, access them via smbfs and smb as well.
> I am not sure how the permissions would be handled in that situation, since
> smb shares don't exactly mimic, as far as I can tell, linux permissions.

No, they don't.  That you can work around.  One thing to be aware of is
that SMB is apparently clueless when it comes to soft links.  I tried to
copy my /home directories from an old machine to the new one using SMB. 
It worked until it hit a file in my ~/.gnome-desktop directory that
links back to ~.  Can you say "infinite loop"? :-)

That was when I decided to use NFS between Linux machines, and only use
SMB when there's a Windows machine involved.

Just my experience.
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Logout script

[Kapil Khosla]

Hi,
In my current setting if I press ctrl-alt-del, my system shuts down. I saw 
something in /etc/inittab like

# What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed.
ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now

I want to logout and restart my KDM and window  manager by pressing 
CTRL-ALT-DEL, 
Can anyone explain how can this be done,
The window manager I use is sawfish and I use KDM to login,
Thanks
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Re: Quicken under debian - gnucash

[Neal Lippman]

On Sunday 30 June 2002 00:16, David P James wrote:

>
> I still don't like it much. Quicken accounts are "liquid" in
> that they hold (hopefully) money. But categories do not;
> they are where money goes or comes from but they do not in
> themselves hold any money. That is, my chequing account
> holds money; my car's gas expenditure category/account does
> not. I understand the use of double entry but it is still
> quite annoying. The numbers that show up in the totals
> column at the right are almost completely meaningless for
> anything orther than the "liquid" accounts.

I have this same problem with Quickbooks. It's really unhelpful that 
all 
these categories have "balances" that don't bear any relationship to reality.


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Re: Quicken under debian

[Neal Lippman]

On Saturday 29 June 2002 09:14, David P James wrote:
>
> Except unfortunately gnucash mangles the concepts of
> 'categories' and 'accounts', which, to be honest, I really
> do not like. On the flip side, guncash did detect some
> mistakes that had gone uncorrected in my Quicken files for
> years, so I went back and fixed them in Quicken. At this
> point I'm still using Quicken and hence Windows 95. I'm
> going to try an account-by-account import into kmymoney2
> (mentionned in a recent Debian Weekly News) shortly. I tried
> a whole import (as in gnucash) but that got really botched up.

Yeah, I have the same problem with Quickbooks at work. Gnucash uses 
double 
account entry, while Quicken does not. Although I understand that for the 
accoutants among, double entry is the more correcter way to do things, I 
don't really have the same feel for it that I have with Quicken's way of 
doing it. For work, it isn't a big deal because the accountants review the 
books and give me a proper summary each month, but at home I don't want to 
have to figure things out.

>
> Of course, what I would really like to see is Quicken ported
> to Linux, even if I had to pay for it.

Yeah, I would too. I actually paid for Kapital, from theKompany. I did so 
something like two years ago; I paid for the download distribution, which I 
couldn't get installed (although I should point out that the people from 
theKompany where very helpful in getting the problems sorted out). I decided 
to wait for the "final" version to be released, but every time I check their 
website (last time about a month or so ago) it seems that the "final" release 
hasn't happened yet, so I've never actually tried this product.

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Re: Glib Question

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 11:02:16AM -0700, Larry Smith wrote:
> I run Potato, which installs with glib 1.2.
> 
> I notice that recently made applications require newer glibs, such as
> glib 2.x
> 
> Is it possible to update the glib version on Potato, or must I update
> my entire operating system?
> 
> If an update is available in Potato, would doing so screw up utilities
> that expect the older glib?
> 
> How does one upgrade a glib, given that some many system functions
> depend upon it?

At  this stage, woody is deep freeze.  Unless you are running production
server, woody is stable as hell for console applications such as gcc and
much newer.

See my below document for details od upgrade or see new installmanual
for debian woody.  It automatically upgrade to newer glibc.  This ease
of upgrade is THE best thing on Debian.

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Re: Home network design recommendations/tips sought (long)

[Neal Lippman]

I have a similar setup, with a older Mandrake system that I have turned into 
a fileserver, and my new debian system that I use as a workstation.

The server has a minimal amount of diskspace allocated for /, /boot, /usr, 
/var, /tmp, and a large /home partition. 

The /home partition is shared via samba, for accessing by windows systems.

The /home partition is also exported by nfs for access from linux systems.

I use nfs for access from linux systems because that just seems to make more 
sense, even though I could, in theory, access them via smbfs and smb as well. 
I am not sure how the permissions would be handled in that situation, since 
smb shares don't exactly mimic, as far as I can tell, linux permissions.

My printer is a network printer, so I don't have to set it up via the server, 
but if it were directly connected to the server, then windows systems could 
access it via samba while linux systems could access it via lpd, cupsd, etc.

In terms of email: I use kde on my linux workstation, and the rest of my 
family uses outlook or outlook express on their windows boxen. I use an smtp 
server on my website (outside my lan) to accumulate email, and then d/l it 
into kmail via pop. Kmail, of course, stores its file on my nfs share, so 
they are (in theory) accessible no matter where I log in on the network. In 
practice, however, kde (and gnome, for that matter) don't seem to know 
anything about multiple simultaneous logins (essentially they don't handle 
multiple instances of kmail or any other K'apps properly) so one wants to be 
careful about that sort of situation.

If you are planning to have mail delivered directly to your lan for 
subsequent distribution, you could run exim, sendmail, qmail, etc on the 
server. Those agents would be configured to deliver email locally, and then 
you would access them via pop (either from kmail, outlook, etc, or with 
something like fetchmail) from within the lan, just as I access them remotely 
with the same apps.

Good luck.

nl


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How to setup IP Masquerading client

[Romel Sandoval]

Thank to all who help me with my IP Addresses problem

Now I have successfuly configured an IP Masquerading linux gateway, of
course with the 192.168.0.1 IP. I know its working correctly because I
have a windows machine as client getting the Internet from this linux
gateway.

But I dont know what files I must edit in Debian to function as a client
and how. Help!!!


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Re: what to do without gnome-session

[Travis Crump]

Susan Kleinmann wrote:

Pollywog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



It is still gnome-session, but now part of the gnome-session2 package:

gnome-session2: /usr/bin/gnome-session



grep-available -P -sPackage gnome-session2 yields nothing
grep-available -P -sPackage gnome | grep session yields only:
Package: gnome-session

grep-available -PX -sPackage,Version gnome-session yields:
Package: gnome-session
Version: 1.4.1-1

I looked for another x-session-manager, and found only two:
grep-available -FProvides -sPackage x-session-manager
Package: kdebase
Package: gnome-session

Where does one find gnome-session2?

Confused,
Susan




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Re: screen

[Alan Shutko]

Gabor Gludovatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> is there a way to protect my screen session from being attached by anyone
> who logs into my account? sometimes the screen session contains sensitive
> things, like root shells, etc., which I don't want to be accessible if
> someone gets into my account.

Besides "Don't do that"?  Not that I know of.

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Re: screen

[Colin Watson]

On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 01:03:58AM +0200, Gabor Gludovatz wrote:
> is there a way to protect my screen session from being attached by anyone
> who logs into my account? sometimes the screen session contains sensitive
> things, like root shells, etc., which I don't want to be accessible if
> someone gets into my account.

If you have root shells running in a screen owned by you, then you
should consider your account root-equivalent and protect it as if it
were the root account. Even if you got screen to ask for a password or
something before attaching, the process is still owned by you so this
wouldn't provide much protection against somebody reasonably determined.

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Re: screen

[Geoff Ludwiczak]

The only thing I can think of is locking the session with Ctrl-A Ctrl-X but
whoever has got into your account also probably has the password to unlock the
screen session :-)

On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 01:03:58AM +0200, Gabor Gludovatz wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> Hi,
> 
> is there a way to protect my screen session from being attached by anyone
> who logs into my account? sometimes the screen session contains sensitive
> things, like root shells, etc., which I don't want to be accessible if
> someone gets into my account.
> 
> I didn't find anything in the manual. Shall I hack it into screen or
> somebody has already done it?
> 
> thanks,
>   Gabor
> 
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Re: screen

[Paul Johnson]

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On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 01:03:58AM +0200, Gabor Gludovatz wrote:

> is there a way to protect my screen session from being attached by anyone
> who logs into my account?

A really good password that you never share with anyone.

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Re: screen

[Larry Smith]

You could install the xscreensaver package (if I'm
understanding your dilemma correctly).  This package
allows you to have a screensaver lock the screen with
a password protect.
Yet things already running will keep running.

--- Gabor Gludovatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi,
> 
> is there a way to protect my screen session from
> being attached by anyone
> who logs into my account? sometimes the screen
> session contains sensitive
> things, like root shells, etc., which I don't want
> to be accessible if
> someone gets into my account.
> 
> I didn't find anything in the manual. Shall I hack
> it into screen or
> somebody has already done it?
> 
> thanks,
>   Gabor
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: apt-get? non stable debs?

[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 02:03:02PM -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> I'd hardly call it luck.  The problem with perl is that, since it's part
> of the base system it is not listed as a dependency by many of the
> programs that need it.  And since the woody/sid perl is not entirely
> backward compatible with potato's, you lose.
> 
> If perl was removed from the base system, and packages were forced to
> explicitly depend on it, then this problem could be fixed since packages
> could depend on a specific perl version.

Packages can and do depend on specific perl versions. However, they
cannot tell in advance whether *future* versions of perl will break
them. In theory this ought to be handled by perl-base declaring
conflicts on things it breaks; in practice it usually ends up being
handled by those packages being updated for whatever minor thing changed
in the new perl, hence breaking partial upgrades.

This situation would not be improved a jot by removing perl-base from
'Essential: yes'. Non-base packages are encouraged to depend on perl
rather than relying on perl-base anyway.

> Then set your Mail-Followup-To header, which my mailer respects.  Since
> you don't do that, I have no way of knowing where you want your replies
> sent and can make no assumptions.

A good default in the absence of this header is not to send a copy,
especially when somebody is already following up to a post on the
mailing list and can therefore be reasonably assumed to be subscribed.

Cheers,

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Re: normal user access to serial port

[Larry Smith]

As root, go to /dev

For the specific ports you need user direct access to,
do:

chmod 666 device_name.

Example:

chmod 666 ttyS0
(which is com1: in DOS lingo)

--- Rory Campbell-Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> How does one allow a normal user to access a serial
> port?
> I'm confused about which device/group to configure.
> 
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screen

[Gabor Gludovatz]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi,

is there a way to protect my screen session from being attached by anyone
who logs into my account? sometimes the screen session contains sensitive
things, like root shells, etc., which I don't want to be accessible if
someone gets into my account.

I didn't find anything in the manual. Shall I hack it into screen or
somebody has already done it?

thanks,
  Gabor


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Re: Quicken under debian

[Neal Lippman]

On Saturday 29 June 2002 00:34, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> Neal Lippman said:
> > I am wondering if anyone could recommend a solution for using Quicken
> > on my  debian woody system. Quicken is essentially the ONLY windows
> > application that  I still need, and thus is the only reason that my
> > laptop still has windows98  loaded on it.
> >
> > As far as I can tell, wine does not yet support Quicken,
>
> I've been running Quicken 2000 on an old version of wine (Wine release
> 2526) for two years using Win95 DDLs. No problem.
> ...RickM...

Thanks. I'm actually running Quicken 2000 also - never had a reason to 
upgrade to the later versions. I'll have to install wine now and see if it 
works.


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normal user access to serial port

[Rory Campbell-Lange]

How does one allow a normal user to access a serial port?
I'm confused about which device/group to configure.

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Re: Comments on the new gnome-terminal.

[csj]

On 30 Jun 2002 15:53:50 -0500
Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Having used the new terminal for two days now, and having just upgraded
>  to Gnome 2 last night, I can now actually say that I love the new
>  terminal. AFTER I got the configuration out of the way (which had to be
>  done through gconftool since the preferences menu seems to be half-dead)
>  everything went fine. The keyboard shortcuts for tabs are very nice.
> 
>  My only complaint now is that the tabs are still in their infancy. You
>  can't combine two terminal windows into one window with tabs, take a tab
>  off and create a window with it, etc. But I believe that that will come
>  with time.

This smells like multi-gnome-terminal, which is available for Gnome 1.


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Re: What pkgs need to be installed to use "make html_docs"?

[Sivea Key]

"- Original Message -
From: "Bob Proulx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Debian List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: What pkgs need to be installed to use "make html_docs"?

> I'm having difficulties making html docs and was wondering if I had a
Debian
> install problem. I am a newbie and may not have installed the right
> packages.

You did not say what your difficulty was.  Which makes it hard for us
to know!  :-)  Let me take a guess.

. . .

Or you might be missing another command as well.  Does it say
'sh: fubblybarb: command not found' or some such?  If so then run the
following and look for fubblybarb.

  apt-cache search fubblybarb

Bob"

No, I don't have any command not found errors. It actually works away for a
while (Deb 2.2 on a PentPRO 200) then bails.

Following the advice of others more savvy with the app, OneSAF Test Bed
(OTB), I went to the app directory and typed make html_docs.  Examples of
the errors to follow (tried to send to a file but somehow captured none of
the errors, only what worked, sorry).

At top of screen:

"terminal.o:/usr/local/OTB/src/public/texinfo-4.0/info/terminal.c:593 more
defined references to 'tgetstr' follow"

examples of what followed:

"/usr/local/OTB/src/public/texinfo-4.0/info/terminal.c:625: undefined
references to 'tgetflag' "
"/usr/local/OTB/src/public/texinfo-4.0/info/terminal.c:628: undefined
references to 'tgetstr' "

several more of this type, then:

"collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[3]:***[ginfo] Error1
make[2]:***[install-recursive] Error1
make[1]:***[/usr/local/OTB/bin/makeinfo] Error2
make:***[html_docs] Error2"

Then it returned to the debian prompt.

I tried typing make clean html_docs as user then logged in as root and tried
(since other OTB issues resolved when done as root). No luck.

If it's not a package problem, could it be a terminal problem (whatever that
is)? The errors kept mentioning terminal.o or terminal.c. I may not have set
that up properly and am not sure how to if I didn't.

BTW, how DO you get the error messages to print to a file? As I mentioned
above, I only got the successful parts of the run in the file I pointed to;
once the errors started, the file ended, it seems.

Thanks for your help! Anything is more than what I have!
Sivea



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Re: what to do without gnome-session

[Susan Kleinmann]

Pollywog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It is still gnome-session, but now part of the gnome-session2 package:
> 
> gnome-session2: /usr/bin/gnome-session

grep-available -P -sPackage gnome-session2 yields nothing
grep-available -P -sPackage gnome | grep session yields only:
Package: gnome-session

grep-available -PX -sPackage,Version gnome-session yields:
Package: gnome-session
Version: 1.4.1-1

I looked for another x-session-manager, and found only two:
grep-available -FProvides -sPackage x-session-manager
Package: kdebase
Package: gnome-session

Where does one find gnome-session2?

Confused,
Susan


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Modules autloading and cleaning

[tvn1981]

Hi,my /etc/modules have the following (I put them there myself)

af_packet  #I don't even know if this is needed 
3c59x
mousedev
vfat
ide-scsi

Where would the the appropriate place to put them so the kernel
daemon can autoclean those? because I notice when I do lsmod,
these modules don't have the [autoclean] next to it.


ide-scsi7392   0 
scsi_mod   49388   2  [sr_mod ide-scsi]
vfat9276   1 
fat29112   0  [vfat]
mousedev3776   1 
3c59x  24616   1 
af_packet  11272   0  (unused)


- Is there any online reference so I find out more about where is the
right place (on Debian) I should put modules at so it can be
autoclean.


Thanks !

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Re: Activate Gnome/KDE at 'startx'

[Mark Roach]

On Sat, 2002-06-29 at 03:56, Jaap van Hennik wrote:
> How can I start Gnome (or KDE)  by 'startx' 
> My Debian has a perfect X-Free screen, but no Dsktop :-(
> I installed Progeny and upgraded it to Deb. 3.0

assuming you have them installed already, your ~/.xinitrc file is a good
place for this, just put an "exec" line and the appropriate command

for gnome:

exec gnome-session

for kde:

exec startkde


PS Please do not begin a new thread by replying to someone else's
message. Even though you change the subject, it gets listed under that
thread (look at the archives if you don't know what I mean)

-Mark


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Re: What pkgs need to be installed to use "make html_docs"?

[Bob Proulx]

> I'm having difficulties making html docs and was wondering if I had a Debian
> install problem. I am a newbie and may not have installed the right
> packages.

You did not say what your difficulty was.  Which makes it hard for us
to know!  :-)  Let me take a guess.

You might be missing 'makeinfo' which converts .texi to .html.  That
is in the texinfo package.  Or it might be using 'texi2html'.  These
are just guesses.

  apt-get install texinfo
  apt-get install texi2html

Or you might be missing another command as well.  Does it say
'sh: fubblybarb: command not found' or some such?  If so then run the
following and look for fubblybarb.

  apt-cache search fubblybarb

And after you determine if something else needs to be installed then
install that too.  Debian makes it fairly safe to install things.  You
can always remove it if later you decide you don't need it.

Bob


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Re: Gnome 2 Window List Applet misbehaving - Partially solved!

[Alex Malinovich]

On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 05:30, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> I finally got a "working" Gnome 2 install (if this is working, I'd hate
> to see what they call "broken" :) and the window list applet is
> misbehaving on me. The maximum size seems to be completely irrelevant.
> Minimum changes the size of the applet, yet no matter how many programs
> I open up, it never expands at all, let alone reaches the maximum. Also,
> and this is much more of an annoyance, clicking on a window in the
> applet does NOT minimize it. I have to manually right-click on it and go
> to minimize.

After some searching around, I found that the culprit was, in fact,
sawfish. The problem stems from the fact that the act of clicking on the
button in the window list applet gives the focus to the panel. Since the
window to be minimized is no longer in focus, it doesn't get minimized.

The solution is to go to Desktop Preferences -> Advanced -> Sawfish ->
Matched Windows. Click "Add...", under "Matchers" select "Name" and set
it to "^gnome-panel$". Click the "Focus" tab under "Actions" and make
sure "Never focus" is checked. Hit "OK", restart gnome-panel, and
everything will be fine.

The problem of the applet not resizing still hasn't been resolved. I've
filed a bug report against it. Hopefully something will come up soon.

-Alex



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Re: dev and runtime library packages

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 08:31:07AM +1200, Massey, Craig wrote:
| Do I need to install both the dev and runtime libraries packages when
| compiling applications from source code,

Yes.

| or do the dev libraries compile to the runtime libraries?

They are not "dev libraries", they are "dev packages".  While that may
seem subtle, it is significant.  The dev packages have _only_ the
header files.  They are meant to be used in conjunction with the
library's package which contains the .so files and other files needed
for runtime operation and linking other apps.


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Re: Comments on the new gnome-terminal.

[Alex Malinovich]

On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 15:35, James D Strandboge wrote:
> > blurred the background image.  All in all, it was much, much uglier
> than the 
> > earlier versions of gnome-terminal.
> > 
> I guess you are using the full gnome2?  If not, you should, and use
> gnome-control-center to set the fonts.  Then add 'export GDK_USE_XFT=1'
> to one of your x startup scripts.  The terminal is absolutely beautiful
> IMO.

Having used the new terminal for two days now, and having just upgraded
to Gnome 2 last night, I can now actually say that I love the new
terminal. AFTER I got the configuration out of the way (which had to be
done through gconftool since the preferences menu seems to be half-dead)
everything went fine. The keyboard shortcuts for tabs are very nice.

My only complaint now is that the tabs are still in their infancy. You
can't combine two terminal windows into one window with tabs, take a tab
off and create a window with it, etc. But I believe that that will come
with time.

Now if only I could change the keybindings for Fullscreen mode I'd be
all set. :)

-Alex


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Re: Comments on the new gnome-terminal.

[James D Strandboge]

On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 12:57, Steve Juranich wrote:
> Last night, while I was doing my nightly 'apt-get dist-upgrade', I
caught the 
> new gnome-terminal package (2.0).  I can't help but saying that I
think it 
> really stinks. :<
> 
Too bad-- I love the tabbed terminals

> It grabbed this huge 100dpi font for the toolbar. There weren't nearly
as many 
> configuration options as in the older version.  None of the fonts that
I was 
> able to choose from looked "right".  The 'translucent background'
option also 
> blurred the background image.  All in all, it was much, much uglier
than the 
> earlier versions of gnome-terminal.
> 
I guess you are using the full gnome2?  If not, you should, and use
gnome-control-center to set the fonts.  Then add 'export GDK_USE_XFT=1'
to one of your x startup scripts.  The terminal is absolutely beautiful
IMO.

> Since well over half of my time in front of a computer is spent
looking at a 
> terminal, it MUST be somewhat appealing.  I know that there's only so
much 
> that a designer can do with lines of text, but it seems like this new
version 
> was such a step backwards as far as visual appeal goes.
> 
I hear you in that it is important.  Try the above.

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What pkgs need to be installed to use "make html_docs"?

[Sivea Key]

I'm having difficulties making html docs and was wondering if I had a Debian
install problem. I am a newbie and may not have installed the right
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Re: Home network design recommendations/tips sought (long)

[Larry Smith]

I have a similar setup.

I have an old system running Redhat acting as server. 
I use a Debian system as my desktop, and it acts as
the internet gateway.

I have a couple windows systems on the internal
network.

I use samba to allow file sharing with the windows
systems, and have a samba configured printer.


I use NFS to share file systems between Linux systems 
because of the convenience.

It may be my limited knowledge of the samba system,
but it seems that to access directorys through samba,
one must run sambaclient, a sort of ftp type
interface.  With NFS, I just mount the remote disks,
and work with them as local drives.


--- Balazs Javor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a small home network of 3 machines and I'm
> looking for
> recommendations / best practices on how to set up
> certain services
> between them. I'm more interested in the what then
> the who at the moment.
> 
> I'm especially interested in:
> - How to set up my mail so that I can use it from
> both Linux systems?
> - File sharing. NFS vs. Samba. What directories to
> share? etc.
> 
> So here's what I have at the moment:
> 
> 1. I have a Woody box I'm using right now as my
> workstation (XFree) and
>also as a server both for outside (Apache, FTP
> and SMTP) as well as
>for the inside (Samba).
> 
> 2. My wife has a Windows box. Nothing special. Uses
> Samba shares.
> 
> 3. I have a new box, which I intend to take over the
> role of my primary
>workstation (running Woody/Sid), leaving the
> current box (slooow) just
>to be a server.
> 
> On the server I intend to run a few Internet
> services (ADSL) for friends and
> family. At this moment this means Apache and
> Proftpd. I'm also running Exim
> as a 'smarthost' for the machines on my network.
> Finally, I intend to keep all my files on it that I
> would want to access from
> all machines on my network. Right now I'm using
> Samba so that the Windows box
> has access to them, but I'm not sure what's the best
> way to access them from
> the other Linux box.
> 
> So here are some questions/issues tha come to my
> mind:
> 
> - Right now I'm using the
> exim/fetchmail/procmail/mutt combo for my mail.
>   And I'm quite happy with the result.
>   If I move to the other Linux box as my primary
> worstation, the question
>   arises where to receive the mail to?
>   I would prefer to keep them on the server and to
> be able to use them on 
>   both machine as it would be on the local machine.
>   I guess this means either IMAP or exporting the
> mail dir through NFS...
> 
> - Speaking of NFS...
>   I've read once somewhere that somebody argued that
> even though NFS is the
>   UNIX way, Samba may offer better performance, even
> between two Linux boxes.
>   Is this through?
> 
>   Also, to ensure that the contents of the Samba
> shares are allways accessible
>   and modifyable on all boxes including the Windows
> one, I'd need to ensure
>   somehow that everything I put there will be owned
> by default by the samba
>   user ID with appropriate permissins. So far I've
> tried the sgid bit on the
>   directories but I still often have problems with
> directories created directly
>   on the server not being readable on the Windows
> box... Also some files I
>   download and then copy to the appropriate shared
> dir cannot be deleted/moved
>   from Windows. And I don't really want to access
> local dirs through mounting
>   the samba shares just that the permissions are set
> by Samba automatically...
> 
>   Finally, most people tend to voice various
> security concerns with regard to
>   NFS. I generally would like to avoid using RPC
> services if possible.
>   Especially on the server. The same goes for inetd
> if possible.
> 
>   So should I use NFS or Samba?
> 
> - Related to the above, if using NFS which
> directories are woth sharing?
>   Having the same environment on both machines is
> nice, but some guides
>   recommend against sharing home directories.
> Especially when they contain
>   ssh keys. On the other hand most configuration
> files are stored directly 
>   under the home dir...
> 
> These are just a few issue I could think of right
> now, but
> any other suggestion for the above setup would be
> greatly appreciated!
> 
> Many thanks for your help in advance!
> best regards,
> Balazs
> 
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Re: exim question

[Johann Spies]

On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 08:22:15AM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
> 
> Stop exim, remove all (4) of those files, and start exim again.  They
> are just "hints" files anyways, aren't critical, and will be rebuilt
> (with new data) if they are missing.
> 
> The lockfiles are just there for locking.  The corresponding files are
> bsddb database files.  It could be that the version of bsddb changed
> in the new exim package, so you would need to remove the old ones
> anyways.  (I don't know, I build exim4 for myself now, but that did
> happen to me -- a new version of bsddb with incompatible file formats)

Thanks.  This was the kind of information I hoped for.

Regards.
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Re: what to do without gnome-session

[Alex Malinovich]

On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 13:57, Susan Kleinmann wrote:
> I used to use gnome and start X with the following .xinitrc:
> 
> exec gnome-session
> 
> But after upgrading to gnome2, gnome-session has disappeared.
> 
> What am I supposed to exec to launch gnome2 session?
> 
> I tried using
> 
> exec /etc/X11/Xsession

You should have installed gnome-session2 when you upgraded to Gnome 2.
Since GDM still hasn't been updated, I just use startx, open up an
xterm, and then run gnome-session. Set everything the way you like it
and make sure you save your session before you log out. When you go back
in gnome-session should automatically load up with gnome.

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Re: what to do without gnome-session

[Pollywog]

On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:57:55 -0400
Susan Kleinmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I used to use gnome and start X with the following .xinitrc:
> 
> exec gnome-session
> 
> But after upgrading to gnome2, gnome-session has disappeared.
> 
> What am I supposed to exec to launch gnome2 session?

It is still gnome-session, but now part of the gnome-session2 package:

gnome-session2: /usr/bin/gnome-session


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loadlin -- loadwin

[Joerg Johannes]

Hi list

This may sound strange, but is there an equivalent for loadlin, so that I can 
start windows from my running linux system, just like loadlin can do for 
starting linux from windows?
The reason I'd like to have it is the following: I have an old 
scsi-controller which takes ages to initialize the connected devices (two 
cdroms and a scanner). I'd like to skip this step, as well as the bios's POST 
for a quicker system switching. Any ideas?

thanks
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Re: apt-get? non stable debs?

[Brian Nelson]

Noah Meyerhans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 07:54:52PM +0200, Stephen Rueger wrote:
>> P.S.: No need to send me a private mail, i'm subscribed
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> Then set your Mail-Followup-To header, which my mailer respects.  Since
> you don't do that, I have no way of knowing where you want your replies
> sent and can make no assumptions.

According to the mailing list code of conduct, you should assume he
doesn't want any copies:

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Home network design recommendations/tips sought (long)

[Balazs Javor]

Hi,

I have a small home network of 3 machines and I'm looking for
recommendations / best practices on how to set up certain services
between them. I'm more interested in the what then the who at the moment.

I'm especially interested in:
- How to set up my mail so that I can use it from both Linux systems?
- File sharing. NFS vs. Samba. What directories to share? etc.

So here's what I have at the moment:

1. I have a Woody box I'm using right now as my workstation (XFree) and
   also as a server both for outside (Apache, FTP and SMTP) as well as
   for the inside (Samba).

2. My wife has a Windows box. Nothing special. Uses Samba shares.

3. I have a new box, which I intend to take over the role of my primary
   workstation (running Woody/Sid), leaving the current box (slooow) just
   to be a server.

On the server I intend to run a few Internet services (ADSL) for friends and
family. At this moment this means Apache and Proftpd. I'm also running Exim
as a 'smarthost' for the machines on my network.
Finally, I intend to keep all my files on it that I would want to access from
all machines on my network. Right now I'm using Samba so that the Windows box
has access to them, but I'm not sure what's the best way to access them from
the other Linux box.

So here are some questions/issues tha come to my mind:

- Right now I'm using the exim/fetchmail/procmail/mutt combo for my mail.
  And I'm quite happy with the result.
  If I move to the other Linux box as my primary worstation, the question
  arises where to receive the mail to?
  I would prefer to keep them on the server and to be able to use them on 
  both machine as it would be on the local machine.
  I guess this means either IMAP or exporting the mail dir through NFS...

- Speaking of NFS...
  I've read once somewhere that somebody argued that even though NFS is the
  UNIX way, Samba may offer better performance, even between two Linux boxes.
  Is this through?

  Also, to ensure that the contents of the Samba shares are allways accessible
  and modifyable on all boxes including the Windows one, I'd need to ensure
  somehow that everything I put there will be owned by default by the samba
  user ID with appropriate permissins. So far I've tried the sgid bit on the
  directories but I still often have problems with directories created directly
  on the server not being readable on the Windows box... Also some files I
  download and then copy to the appropriate shared dir cannot be deleted/moved
  from Windows. And I don't really want to access local dirs through mounting
  the samba shares just that the permissions are set by Samba automatically...

  Finally, most people tend to voice various security concerns with regard to
  NFS. I generally would like to avoid using RPC services if possible.
  Especially on the server. The same goes for inetd if possible.

  So should I use NFS or Samba?

- Related to the above, if using NFS which directories are woth sharing?
  Having the same environment on both machines is nice, but some guides
  recommend against sharing home directories. Especially when they contain
  ssh keys. On the other hand most configuration files are stored directly 
  under the home dir...

These are just a few issue I could think of right now, but
any other suggestion for the above setup would be greatly appreciated!

Many thanks for your help in advance!
best regards,
Balazs


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what to do without gnome-session

[Susan Kleinmann]

I used to use gnome and start X with the following .xinitrc:

exec gnome-session

But after upgrading to gnome2, gnome-session has disappeared.

What am I supposed to exec to launch gnome2 session?

I tried using

exec /etc/X11/Xsession

but that never produced an Xwindow screen (just some noise).
This may or may not be related to the fact that I'm using
nvidia drivers.

TIA,
Susan


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Re: apt-get? non stable debs?

[Noah Meyerhans]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 07:54:52PM +0200, Stephen Rueger wrote:
> > I have done this on a whole mess of machines.  For example, I wanted
> > bind9, so I installed it from woody.  apt-get installed its dependencies
> > as well, but that is no problem.  The machine has run fine since I did
> > this several months ago.
> 
> You've been lucky... see what happens if it pulls the new perl in. 

I'd hardly call it luck.  The problem with perl is that, since it's part
of the base system it is not listed as a dependency by many of the
programs that need it.  And since the woody/sid perl is not entirely
backward compatible with potato's, you lose.

If perl was removed from the base system, and packages were forced to
explicitly depend on it, then this problem could be fixed since packages
could depend on a specific perl version.

Fortunately, things like glibc are don't break compatibility like perl
does.

> 
> P.S.: No need to send me a private mail, i'm subscribed

Then set your Mail-Followup-To header, which my mailer respects.  Since
you don't do that, I have no way of knowing where you want your replies
sent and can make no assumptions.

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Glib Question

[Larry Smith]

I run Potato, which installs with glib 1.2.

I notice that recently made applications require newer
glibs, such as glib 2.x

Is it possible to update the glib version on Potato,
or must I update my entire operating system?

If an update is available in Potato, would doing so
screw up utilities that expect the older glib?

How does one upgrade a glib, given that some many
system functions depend upon it?



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Re: apt-get? non stable debs?

[Stephen Rueger]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 01:45:55PM -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 08:30:19AM +0200, Stephen Rueger wrote:
> > > Would you edit your sources.list to point to "testing"...
> > > apt-get update
> > > apt-get install packagename
> > > edit sources.list back to "stable"...
> > > apt-get update
> > 
> > No, you wouldn't. The only thing you would get is a seriously broken
> > box.
> 
> Absolutely not.  This works quite well.  Be aware that all the
> dependencies for whatever package you 'install' would be pulled in as
> well.  This will possibly upgrade some libraries, but that should not be
> problematic.
> 
> I have done this on a whole mess of machines.  For example, I wanted
> bind9, so I installed it from woody.  apt-get installed its dependencies
> as well, but that is no problem.  The machine has run fine since I did
> this several months ago.

You've been lucky... see what happens if it pulls the new perl in. 

I've spend some time in #debian over at OPN and have seen quite a few
people doing such silly things. Sometimes it works, but in most cases
it breaks, and it breaks really hard. So be warned and careful with
what you recommend to do.


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Re: apt-get? non stable debs?

[Noah Meyerhans]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 08:30:19AM +0200, Stephen Rueger wrote:
> > Would you edit your sources.list to point to "testing"...
> > apt-get update
> > apt-get install packagename
> > edit sources.list back to "stable"...
> > apt-get update
> 
> No, you wouldn't. The only thing you would get is a seriously broken
> box.

Absolutely not.  This works quite well.  Be aware that all the
dependencies for whatever package you 'install' would be pulled in as
well.  This will possibly upgrade some libraries, but that should not be
problematic.

I have done this on a whole mess of machines.  For example, I wanted
bind9, so I installed it from woody.  apt-get installed its dependencies
as well, but that is no problem.  The machine has run fine since I did
this several months ago.

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Re: FreeSwan Errors: Jun 29 01:08:11 Oneil Pluto[2694]: "/etc/ipsec.secrets" line 4: bad RSA key syntax

[Noah Meyerhans]

On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 12:52:58PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote:
> : RSA /etc/ipsec.d/private/ns2.zionlth.org.key

That certainly looks right.  Try removing the absolute part of the path.
Change it to:
: RSA ns2.zionlth.org.key

> Jun 29 01:11:10 Oneil Pluto[2874]: loading secrets from "/etc/ipsec.secrets"
> Jun 29 01:11:10 Oneil Pluto[2874]: "/etc/ipsec.secrets" line 4: bad RSA key 
> syntax
> 
> I have checked the changelog and it appears there is a x509 patch in place
> (I applied the maintainers diff file to the source...)

The symptoms appear to indicate that the x509 patch was not actually
installed correctly.  How did you install it?  Did you use the
maintainers 'apply' script (in
/usr/src/kernel-patches/all/apply/freeswan)?  If not, I'd give that a
try.

What does 'dmesg | grep klips' tell you?  If you see lines mentioning
'ipsec_ext_init', that should be a good indication that the x509 patch
was correctly installed.  If that's the case, then I'm not sure what the
problem might be...

> I would even stick the key in my secrets file directly if the fswcert utility
> was included in the source kit (it does not appear to be).

It's no longer necessary since FreeS/WAN can load the certs directly.

noah

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Re: Display problem with VNC, Mozilla and MathML

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 11:06:05 -0500, Kent West wrote:
> I just vnc'd to my office computer and tried it. Except for the font 
> issue (some things are just small rectangles), every thing looks fine. 
> The formulas, the Mozilla star, the monkey shaking his head, the 
> explanatory text, scrolling up and down, horizontal lines, colors; it 
> all looks fine. Both machines are running Sid, and vncserver, 
> xvncserver, and Mozilla on both machines are from recent (within last 4 
> or 5 days) apt-get update/upgrades. ATI All-in-Wonder on homebrew home 
> machine running xvncviewer, over Cox Cable, to a Gateway PC with ATI 
> card on a LAN connected to internet via T1s.

I also have a recent version of Mozilla (currently, build 2002062123)
and the VNC packages 3.3.3r2-20 are the latest ones (the same for both
woody and sid). Perhaps a problem related to the PPC version of Mozilla,
since my machine is a Titanium and there are known display problems with
the PPC?

I've put some snapshots here:

  http://www.vinc17.org/download/mathml1.png
  http://www.vinc17.org/download/mathml2.png
  http://www.vinc17.org/download/mathml3.png
  http://www.vinc17.org/download/mathml4.png

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please kindly get back to me

[SANDRA SAVIMBI]

   Dear Friend,
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Re: hard drive NOT found during install!

[Waheed Islam]

Thanks for the suggestion,

I didn't even notice the bf2.4 flavour of woody.

Anyway, I tried it, unfortunately it didn't work.
I would have thought that by 2.4.18 that they would include support for the 
AEC6280.
The kernel-config said that it supported aec62xx, I guess 80 doesn't come 
in that range.


I've done a quick install of debian on a friends laptop and will compile 
the drivers which are available from acard, and see how it turns out.


Thanks for the help,
but if you have anymore suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

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At 28/06/02 21:25, you wrote:

Waheed Islam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,
Could you PLEASE help!
during installation...
my ide controller card is not being recognised by both, potato and woody.
It's an Acard AEC6280 Controller (no RAID, includes BIOS).


This is a just a guess, since I don't have access to that controller, BUT 
you just "might' get lucky with the "bf4" flavor of boot floppies from 
"testing" / Woody.  This particuar set has been built around the 2.4.18 
kernel, and they just might have included support for that 
controller...dunno.  In any case, you will know rather quickly when you 
put in the "boot" disk... the messages will tell you if it found it or 
not.  If it is found, you can proceed with the rest of the install.


I would recommend concentrating on Woody and give up on Potato.  The 
changes needed to run a 2.4.X kernel are just too great to make on install 
media, IMHO (unless you are a real guru).  Woody is about to be released 
as "stable" quite soon, so you probably are NOT giving up much stability, 
and you will gain quite a lot in flexibility, IMHO.


Cheers & Good Luck!
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Printing woes - Lexmark Z53

[Paul Miller]

Hello,

I'm having trouble getting my Lexmark Z53 printer to print certain files,
such as *some* postscript and pdf files (ie, Galeon's ps files don't
work).  I think it is related to my printer filters.  LPrng reports no
errors and correcly spools to the printer.  Here is my setup:

Debian unstable, kernel 2.4.18-xfs, LPrng, magicfilter, latest Lexmark
drivers, ...

#cat /etc/printcap:
lp|lexmarkz53|Lexmark Z53:\
:cm=Lexmark Z53:\
:lp=/dev/usb/lp0:sh:mx#0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lexmark:\
:if=/usr/local/lexmark/z53/z53.sh:

z53-outfiles:\
:lp=/dev/usb/lp0:sh:mx#0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/z53-outfiles:

$ cat z53.sh
#!/bin/sh

DEBUG=0
PDIR=/usr/local/lexmark/z53

# lxgps is a little utility used to setup the
# Ghostscript parameters.  It sets two parameters
# in particular: resolution and paper size.  It
# determines what to set these to by reading the
# configuration file that is passed in.
GSPARMS=`$PDIR/lxacgsparm z53.conf`

if [ -n "`echo $GSPARMS | grep "\-r300"`" ]; then
filter=/etc/magicfilter/psonly300-filter
else
filter=/etc/magicfilter/psonly600-filter
fi

( $filter ) | gs -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE $GSPARMS -sDEVICE=ppmraw
-sOutputFile=- - -c quit | $PDIR/z53 --config z53.conf --dotcounts


NOTE! My z53.sh script is modified from Lexmark's original.  Neither work
with the files I mentioned earlier.  The magicfilter filters are not
modified.

Thanks!!
-Paul




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Re: Linux IPmasq - OneNIC?

[Dave Price]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 09:39:09AM -0400, Rohan Deshpande wrote:
> Hello,
> I was just wondering if this was possible to do in Linux.
> Thanks!

Sure, do it all the time; just enable ipaliasing on your one nic, then
ifconfig eth0:1, etc and set up routes before trying to config ipchains
or tables.

Remember, ipchains looks at addresses, not interfaces (usually) so does
not care if they are on the same physical NIC.

aloha,
dave


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X access & exmh

[Bob Bernstein]

I am bumping my head up against the requirement imposed by Tk and exmh
that the xhosts lists be empty. 

Apart from the option of recompiling Tk, which I have been rather
strongly advised against: 

   Is there *no* way other than xhosts I can use to open up access to
   X on the local display to other (local) users, that is, users other
   than the one that initially logged in on xdm?

(In the past, I would open an xterm and ssh into another local user's
account; then I would launch an X app from that command line...but
that was with a usable xhosts list.)

Best,

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Re: Display problem with VNC, Mozilla and MathML

[Kent West]

Vincent Lefevre wrote:


On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 19:26:08 -0500, Kent West wrote:
 

I didn't try it through VNC, but when I first connected it popped up a 
window saying I needed to install some fonts to see the page properly.
   



I had this window each time I went to the example web page after starting
Mozilla until I installed the fonts. Now I no longer get this window.

My problem is after installing these fonts. I don't think this is a font
problem (or only a font problem) because:
 * it happens only when using VNC (no problem at all when directly
   using the XFree86 X server);
 * the parts that are not displayed are non deterministic when
   scrolling;
 * it seems that the parts that are not displayed are a set of
   horizontal lines (sometimes consecutive) and sometimes even
   normal HTML text is corrupted.

I assume that this is not a problem with the VNC client since I tried
two clients and got the same problem (unless there's the same bug in
both clients). Then I don't know if this comes from Mozilla or the VNC
server.

 

I just vnc'd to my office computer and tried it. Except for the font 
issue (some things are just small rectangles), every thing looks fine. 
The formulas, the Mozilla star, the monkey shaking his head, the 
explanatory text, scrolling up and down, horizontal lines, colors; it 
all looks fine. Both machines are running Sid, and vncserver, 
xvncserver, and Mozilla on both machines are from recent (within last 4 
or 5 days) apt-get update/upgrades. ATI All-in-Wonder on homebrew home 
machine running xvncviewer, over Cox Cable, to a Gateway PC with ATI 
card on a LAN connected to internet via T1s.


Kent



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Re: how to define multpile static routing in Debain?

[Marc Barnett]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 01:48:17PM +0800, Patrick Hsieh wrote:
> I can use "route" command to add static routing tables in woody.
> Is it possible to define the rules in a file so that it will be applied
> at boot time?

Add them to the /etc/network/interfaces file. If that didn't get created
with a fair bit of comments and examples, read
/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz


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APMD Under Debian Woody

[Tom Badran]

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Using woody, i have apmd installed. But the /etc/init.d/apmd script does 
nothing regardless of what option (Start|Stop|etc) i pass to it (doesnt even 
print the warning when you pass no options). The only way i can get apmd to 
start is by issuing the apmd command. I havent altered the script or any 
settings, the only difference being i use a custom compiled 2.4.18 kernel, 
which has working apm (it works fine if i manually run the command). Any 
ideas on how to fix the script, is it a know problem? Or do you need more 
info.

Tom
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Re: Looking for a config-2.4.18 for an iMac

[Tom Rini]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 07:10:56PM +0200, Roland Wegmann wrote:

> Has anyone compiled an optimized kernel-image  (version 2.4.18) for an iMac 
> 500MHz (early 2001)? If so, could you send me your config file as an 
> attachment? I would be happy if I had an example!!

Why do you want to compile an 'optimized' kernel-image?  Are you
desperate for a few more k of RAM?

Unless there's some missing driver in the provided kernel image, you
won't gain much by compiling your own custom kernel.

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Looking for a config-2.4.18 for an iMac

[Roland Wegmann]

Hello

Has anyone compiled an optimized kernel-image  (version 2.4.18) for an iMac 
500MHz (early 2001)? If so, could you send me your config file as an 
attachment? I would be happy if I had an example!!

Thank's for your help and kind regards

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NIC not installed

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I have most things "under" control, but the one things that is not
allowing me to connect to my internal network, nor the internet. The NIC
is recognized, but I have been unable to get it working.

Is there a document, HOWTO, cheat sheet, on how to get a 3c59X network
card recognized, and configured under Debian?

Thanks.
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Re: wheel mouse wheel not working

[Vikki Roemer]

Thanks!
It turns out that the reason those settings weren't working in the first 
place was because gpm was messing up the mouse.  As long as I remember 
to find and kill gpm, the mouse works perfectly.

Thanks for your help.

Helgi Örn wrote:


On Tue, 2002-06-25 at 19:44, Vikki Roemer wrote:
 


My version of XFree86 is 3.3.5 .

From my /etc/X11/XF86Config file:

Section "Pointer"
  Protocol"IntelliMouse"
  Device  "/dev/mouse"
  BaudRate1200
  Emulate3Timeout 50
  Resolution  200
EndSection

Was that the right file?  It looks different than what everyone else is 
posting.


   


Hi again!
No wonder our files look different than yours, you are using a very old
version of the XFree86 server! Is that Debian Potato or even an older
version you installed?
Anyway; this is how is used to look like in my /etc/Xf86Config file in
the days of the XF86 3.3.6 server:
--
Section "Pointer"
 Protocol   "IMPS/2"
 Device "/dev/psaux"
 SampleRate 60
 BaudRate   1200
 ZAxisMapping  45
 Buttons   3
EndSection
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And it used to work in Debian, Slackware, SuSE, Storm, Mandrake and
RedHat...:-)

Cheers,
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Re: Linux IPmasq - OneNIC?

[wvl]

On Sunday 30 June 2002 16:13, Rohan Deshpande wrote:
> Hey wvl,
>
> I was reading the IPMasq howto, and it says this:
>
>
> Users should also understand that IP Masquerading will only work with a
> physical interface such as eth0, eth1, etc. MASQing out an aliased
> interface such as "eth0:1, eth1:1, etc" will NOT work.
>

I'm pretty sure this was possible, and involved setting your NIC in 
promiscious mode causing a heavy performance hit.

http://www.pom.gr/ilisepe1/firewall_help.html

The above URL mentions this, however doesn't provide details on how to set it 
up. 

Anyhow, it's probably not worth it considering an extra NIC only costs you 15 
Euro's.

- wvl


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Re: apt-get? non stable debs?

[Carlos Sousa]

On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:36:51 -0700 Mike Egglestone
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> What would one do if they were running a "stable" box, and wanted
> a package that was only offered in "testing" or "unstable"?

I'm not sure potato's apt-get can do it (using woody myself), but since
you can't do apt pinning then you could try the -t flag, like this:

   apt-get -t testing install  ...

and then check apt-get's warning about extra packages to be upgraded
and/or removed, before you hit Enter.

This method has the disadvantage of not letting apt track the evolution
of these packages, so you'll not be prompted for upgrades when you issue
"apt-get [dist-]upgrade".

The best solution to your case is probably to upgrade your system's apt
and dpkg to those of Woody, and then set up apt pinning to track all
your packages the right way. There's a Debian Howto covering this, a
"qref" by Osamu Aoki if I'm not mistaken. Google will probably turn it
up for you. It's easy to end up with an unusable broken system doing
this apt/dpkg upgrade, so be sure to follow instructions to the letter
if you try this.

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Re: Linux IPmasq - OneNIC?

[Rohan Deshpande]

Hey wvl,

I was reading the IPMasq howto, and it says this:


Users should also understand that IP Masquerading will only work with a 
physical interface such as eth0, eth1, etc. MASQing out an aliased interface 
such as "eth0:1, eth1:1, etc" will NOT work. 

Any ideas?

Thanks!



On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:09:02 +0200
wvl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sunday 30 June 2002 15:39, Rohan Deshpande wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > This is an excerpt from http://soho.sygate.com/products/gate_ov.htm:
> >
> > Sygate® OneNICTM Technology
> >
> > Sygate Home Network makes it easier than ever for you to maximize your
> > existing hardware investment with the introduction of Sygate OneNIC
> > technology. OneNIC technology significantly simplifies the process of
> > installing your shared Internet connection by eliminating the need to
> > install a second Network Interface Card (NIC). OneNIC is made possible by
> > creating a software-based virtual NIC. The real NIC is used for connecting
> > to the cable or DSL modem and the virtual NIC is used to communicate with
> > the other computers in your network.
> >
> > I was just wondering if this was possible to do in Linux.
> 
> Yup. See the IPMasq HOWTO.
> 
> - wvl
> 


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Running multiple instances with start-stop-daemon

[Mike Mimic]

Hi!

I would like to run few instances of same program but
with different parameters with start-stop-daemon
tool.

I have tryed:

start-stop-daemon --start --chuid nobody:nogroup
--pidfile /var/run/someprogram.pid --startas
/bin/someprogram
...
(other lines have other pidfile and some parameters
set)
But start-stop-daemon tool refuses to start even the 
first instance. I have discovered that
start-stop-daemon
only checks for existance of pidfiles and does not
look if the proccess with that pid is running.
But my program doesn't delete pidfiles (it just create

(different) files and store there pid number).

So, how can I run multiple instances with 
start-stop-daemon?


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Re: Linux IPmasq - OneNIC?

[wvl]

On Sunday 30 June 2002 15:39, Rohan Deshpande wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This is an excerpt from http://soho.sygate.com/products/gate_ov.htm:
>
> Sygate® OneNICTM Technology
>
> Sygate Home Network makes it easier than ever for you to maximize your
> existing hardware investment with the introduction of Sygate OneNIC
> technology. OneNIC technology significantly simplifies the process of
> installing your shared Internet connection by eliminating the need to
> install a second Network Interface Card (NIC). OneNIC is made possible by
> creating a software-based virtual NIC. The real NIC is used for connecting
> to the cable or DSL modem and the virtual NIC is used to communicate with
> the other computers in your network.
>
> I was just wondering if this was possible to do in Linux.

Yup. See the IPMasq HOWTO.

- wvl


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Re: Installing from ISO

[Robert Ian Smit]

On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 06:55:00PM +0300, Sergey A. Ovchar wrote:
 
> How to mount iso images I know. At current time I'm use RH7.3 ,which was 
> installed from iso images. But I don't understand, how can I make the 
> bootable floppy (in case with debian) and wat can I do further ;-(

I installed Debian from a boot disk. Read the manual for more
information.

The install system will pretty soon ask for something like
basedep.tgz. Make sure you either download that file or extract it
from the ISO to a reachable partition on your system before you boot
with the floppy. The installer offers to look for that file on your
partitions (even FAT I believe).
Once the base system installation is underway, you can at some point
switch to another login and mount the ISO for the installation of
the rest of the packages.

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Linux IPmasq - OneNIC?

[Rohan Deshpande]

Hello,

This is an excerpt from http://soho.sygate.com/products/gate_ov.htm:

Sygate® OneNICTM Technology

Sygate Home Network makes it easier than ever for you to maximize your existing 
hardware investment with the introduction of Sygate OneNIC technology. OneNIC 
technology significantly simplifies the process of installing your shared 
Internet connection by eliminating the need to install a second Network 
Interface Card (NIC). OneNIC is made possible by creating a software-based 
virtual NIC. The real NIC is used for connecting to the cable or DSL modem and 
the virtual NIC is used to communicate with the other computers in your network.

I was just wondering if this was possible to do in Linux.
Thanks!

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Re: horde

[Bill Bell]

Quoting Mike Egglestone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi,
> yes, have it working with "sid" only.
> It was kinda of a pain to get going, but once up, it works good.
> You can either download the debs from www.debian.org
> or just apt-get install them.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mike
> 
> Quoting Expert User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > Has anybody tried 2.1 horde with 3.1 imp on debian?
> > It was released very recently.
> > Does anybody know if .debs for these new releases are available?
> where?
> > 
> > thanks,

horde = horde 1.2.6
imp = imp 2.2.6

horde2 = horde 2.0.99
imp3 = imp 3.0.99

I did have problems getting the mysql configured and running, but it IS 
worth the effort.

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STLport

[Oleg]

Hi

Instead of providing "-I /usr/include/stlport -lstlport" options for g++, can 
I configure it to use STLport instead of its own STL by default?

Thanks
Oleg


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Suggestions for IR controlled dvd/avi/mp3 player

[Alex Polite]

I'm in the process of setting up a home entertainment box. I'll be
using it to play MP3s AVIs MPEGs and DVDs. I want to control
file/playlist selection, volume, pause, play and other basic functions
via IR. (I've just ordered the ready made IR receiver linked to
on lirc home page). Playlist editing, removing AVIs and other advanced
functions can be via ssh.

I understand that xine, mplayer and xmms all have lirc support.

I have two questions.

1) What do I use to move between apps with the IR remote?

2) What sound server works best with all the all the apps I'll be
using (mplayer, xine, xmms)? 


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Re: horde

[Expert User]

What is sid?
Which versions are you using? when I did apt-get install horde it installs
1.2 for me. I want 2.2!



Mike Egglestone wrote:

  Hi,
yes, have it working with "sid" only.
It was kinda of a pain to get going, but once up, it works good.
You can either download the debs from www.debian.org
or just apt-get install them.

Cheers,
Mike

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Has anybody tried 2.1 horde with 3.1 imp on debian?
It was released very recently.
Does anybody know if .debs for these new releases are available? where?

thanks,


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Re: apt-get? non stable debs?

[Paolo Alexis Falcone]

On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 13:36, Mike Egglestone wrote:
> Hi,
> What would one do if they were running a "stable" box, and wanted
> a package that was only offered in "testing" or "unstable"?
> 
> Would you edit your sources.list to point to "testing"...
> apt-get update
> apt-get install packagename
> edit sources.list back to "stable"...
> apt-get update


The surest way to do such (without upgrading to the testing/unstable
distributions) is to grab the source code + diffs + dsc file for that
package, edit the control file et. al (to satisfy the dependencies),
then compile it (via dpkg-buildpackage). Note that you might need to
backport a number of packages just to achieve this feat (I did this when
I backported PHP4.2 from unstable to stable. Darn too many packages that
needs to be backported).

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Gnome 2 Window List Applet misbehaving

[Alex Malinovich]

I finally got a "working" Gnome 2 install (if this is working, I'd hate
to see what they call "broken" :) and the window list applet is
misbehaving on me. The maximum size seems to be completely irrelevant.
Minimum changes the size of the applet, yet no matter how many programs
I open up, it never expands at all, let alone reaches the maximum. Also,
and this is much more of an annoyance, clicking on a window in the
applet does NOT minimize it. I have to manually right-click on it and go
to minimize.

Any suggestions? I've already looked through the gconf entries and I
can't find anything relevant. The only thing that I can think of is that
it's related to my wm (sawfish). But since half of the sawfish options
have been pulled out of sawfish-ui now, it's that much harder to track
down. Any suggestions?

-Alex


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sound card

[BEMason]

Hi.

I have a no-name CS4232-kq-Crystal-PnP-based sound card with an on-board
IDE
(CD-ROM) controller, which is positively 16-bit. But I have lost the
card
driver, can you send the card driver or tell me where I can find the
card
driver.

Thanks to you all.

Sorry to send the same message but it says everything I need to say.

Chris Mason


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Re: Display problem with VNC, Mozilla and MathML

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 19:26:08 -0500, Kent West wrote:
> I didn't try it through VNC, but when I first connected it popped up a 
> window saying I needed to install some fonts to see the page properly.

I had this window each time I went to the example web page after starting
Mozilla until I installed the fonts. Now I no longer get this window.

My problem is after installing these fonts. I don't think this is a font
problem (or only a font problem) because:
  * it happens only when using VNC (no problem at all when directly
using the XFree86 X server);
  * the parts that are not displayed are non deterministic when
scrolling;
  * it seems that the parts that are not displayed are a set of
horizontal lines (sometimes consecutive) and sometimes even
normal HTML text is corrupted.

I assume that this is not a problem with the VNC client since I tried
two clients and got the same problem (unless there's the same bug in
both clients). Then I don't know if this comes from Mozilla or the VNC
server.

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Locale Setting

[tvn1981]

Hello I have this in my /etc/locale.gen

en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8

then I export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8, but the prob is when I startx
the fonts look big and weird .. not sure why .  

Anyone has any idea ? 

thanks 



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Re: NTFS partition only readable by Root

[tvn1981]

On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:39:36 -0700
Marc Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=007

thank you very much - it works 


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Re: how to define multpile static routing in Debain?

[David Wright]

I think it is actually possible to do this in /etc/network/interfaces, 
but that's not how I did it. I have one setup where I have ~40 computers 
behind a firewall, all with IP's randomly distributed in a class C 
space. To keep /etc/network/interfaces small, I wanted the static routes 
in a seperate file, but there is no Debian equivilent of Red Hat's 
static-routes file. So I just collected all the route commands in a 
shell script in /etc/rc.boot/.



I can use "route" command to add static routing tables in woody.
Is it possible to define the rules in a file so that it will be applied
at boot time?




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Activate Gnome/KDE at 'startx'

[Jaap van Hennik]

How can I start Gnome (or KDE)  by 'startx' 
My Debian has a perfect X-Free screen, but no Dsktop :-(
I installed Progeny and upgraded it to Deb. 3.0

*jaap*


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Re: Erratic mouse in Debian Potota install

[Gary Turner]

On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:20:11 -0700, Elaine Tsiang wrote:

>It is sufficient in Debian Potato to just replace /dev/psaux with 
>/dev/gpmdata in /etc/X11/XF80Config, after the change in /etc/gpm.conf.

Yes, unless you just like the idea of stepping through the configurator
again :)  Don't forget to restart both.

>
>Here is an earlier discussion on the list about the same problem (but if you 
>don't know it's the same problem, you can't search for it):
>
>http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200204/msg00339.html

This question comes up on a regular basis.  Perhaps;
repeat = "raw" should be the default in gpm.conf, and
the intro to "input device" should mention this gotcha.

What do I know?  There may be compelling reason(s) not to do these.
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Re: apt-get? non stable debs?

[Scott Henson]

On Sun, 2002-06-30 at 02:51, Derek Gladding wrote:

> Yes, it's called "pinning" (don't ask me why...). It allows you
> to keep one distribution selected as the default (i.e. stable), and
> one or more others that are usable if explictly requested. If you
> pull a package from the non-default distribution, all dependencies
> will also be pulled along with it.

Not with potato's apt.  Its only woody and above.  Sorry, your gonna
have to upgrade to Woody.  Its almost stable anyway.

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Re: apt-get? non stable debs?

[Derek Gladding]

On Saturday 29 June 2002 10:36 pm, Mike Egglestone wrote:
> Hi,
> What would one do if they were running a "stable" box, and wanted
> a package that was only offered in "testing" or "unstable"?
>
> Would you edit your sources.list to point to "testing"...
> apt-get update
> apt-get install packagename
> edit sources.list back to "stable"...
> apt-get update
>
> Is there a better way to achieve this?
>
> Thanks
> Mike

Yes, it's called "pinning" (don't ask me why...). It allows you
to keep one distribution selected as the default (i.e. stable), and
one or more others that are usable if explictly requested. If you
pull a package from the non-default distribution, all dependencies
will also be pulled along with it.

Do a google for "preferences" "apt" and "pinning" - it should give 
you all the required info.

If you just want to know what you need to tweak, create a file
called /etc/apt/preferences that contains the following:

Package: *
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: 777

Package: *
Pin: release a=testing
Pin-Priority: 333

Then:

- set up your sources.list file to refer to all the distributions
you're interested in
- do an apt-get update

Once this has all cooked, you'll be able to use apt-get in two ways:

apt-get  

  will pull the stable version of package 

apt-get -t testing  
  
  will pull the testing version of package  and all its dependencies


Hope this helps

- Derek







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