Re: Fvwm configuration

[Glyn Millington]

Udo Schlaepfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Glyn Millington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>> Many thanks for this.  So I can read in the _system_  menudefs.hook and
>> the autogenerated menus will appear?
>
> Of course you can:
>
> ,
> | Read /etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook Quiet
> | 
> | Mouse 1 R A Menu /Debian
> `
>
> This will bind the Debian menu to mouse button 1. Click mouse 1 on the
> desktop an enjoy the result.

Great :-)


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wget's Great; Is there a wput?

[Kent West]

I need to upload a 700MB file to a remote Debian machine, and the 
network is "iffy" between here and there. Is there a counterpart to wget 
that will push a file and keep trying until all the pieces arrive?

The remote machine has sshd running (so I can ssh and sftp in); I've 
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sftp/ssh the other way, to this machine, so I can't use wget from that 
machine to pull it from this one; I need to "wput" it from this one to 
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Re: scsi & ide disk speeds?

[Florian Krohs]

Hallo Svante,*

* Svante Signell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-09-02 22:04]:
> BTW: Is there a good place to put in the hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
> somewhere at the boot scripts? I've added it to the
> /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh script. It would be very nice to have this as
> default without making any manual changes, but I assume there are
> reasons why not.

instead of invoking dma mode manually or by bootscript, it is also
possible to enable it in your kernel. just activate 'use dma by
default' and it should work.

greetings from germany, florian
 
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Re: Perl: bad interpreter

[Wade Richards]

>On 10/09/02 Jacob S. did speaketh:
>
>> bash: /mnt/path/to/helloscript: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter:
>> Permission denied

Is the NFS drive mounted noexec?

--- Wade


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Re: System boots with 2.4.29 but problem with RTL-8139

[Donald R. Spoon]

J.S.Sahambi wrote:
> I added the "initrd=/initrd.img" to the section of new kernel and it 
> works. :) Thanks :)
> 
> But, second problem has cropped up. My ethernet has stopped working. I 
> am using RTL-8139. I checked the config file for the new kernel and it 
> says 8139cp and 8139too are not compiled in kernel and they are modules.
> 
> 
> So i used "modprobe 8139cp" and it gave the following errors"
> 
> ***
>  insmod 8139cp
>  Using /lib/modules/2.4.19-686/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.o
>  /lib/modules/2.4.19-686/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.o: unresolved symbol 
> mii_ethtool_sset_R32d50a5e
>  /lib/modules/2.4.19-686/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.o: unresolved symbol 
> mii_ethtool_gset_R887face9
>  /lib/modules/2.4.19-686/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.o: unresolved symbol 
> mii_nway_restart_Rad534404
>  /lib/modules/2.4.19-686/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.o: unresolved symbol 
> mii_link_ok_R122e52d7
>  jsahambi@ws97:~$
> 
> **
> 
> 
> Can any body tell me how shall i proceed?
> 

Use the other one... the 8139too module.  If this works via modprobe, 
then insert it into /etc/modules file.

The 8139cp module is for a special type of rtl8139 chipset, which isn't 
all that common.  The other one covers the more common chipsets found.

Cheers,
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Re: Oracle 8i on woody problem

[Choe, Hyun-ho]

try potato instead.
Oracle uses glibc 2.1 and links static binary in install process.
After installing Oracle, you can safely upgrade to woody or sid.

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> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to get Oracle 8.1.7 to work on woody.  It seems to install fine
but I keep
> getting "ORA-03114: not connected to ORACLE" errors while creating the
starter database.
> This problem has been reported on a few other mailing lists, but the chief
solution offered
> seems to be "run SUSE".  I wonder if anyone has it running on woody, and
if yes, what's the
> trick? TIA
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Oracle 8i on woody problem

[Evgeny Stukalov]

Hi,

I'm trying to get Oracle 8.1.7 to work on woody.  It seems to install fine but I keep
getting "ORA-03114: not connected to ORACLE" errors while creating the starter 
database.
This problem has been reported on a few other mailing lists, but the chief solution 
offered
seems to be "run SUSE".  I wonder if anyone has it running on woody, and if yes, 
what's the
trick? TIA


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Re: Install older version of libc6

[Matthias Szupryczynski]

On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 15:41, Lukas Kubin wrote:

> By I mistake I've installed a libc6 version from unstable (2.2.5-14) and
> lots of packages from unstable version. How can I get them back to stable
> (Woody)?

In general, downgrades are not supported, and if the incident involves
more than one or two packages as in your case, you better opt for a
re-installation of the system.

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Re: dhcp/windoze question

[ernst]

Hi


On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Cameron Matheson wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I'm setting up a linux box for my friend (dual-booting actually), but
> i'm going to have to set up the network setting and i was looking for
> some advice first (because i can't change how the networking is done on
> his entire network).
>
> First, his IP address is 'Obtained Automatically', does this mean i want
> to use DHCP?  Or does Windows have some proprietary method of
> automatically obtaining IP addresses?
>

Yes, the windozebox will get his ip from dhcp, and if no dhcp can give him
any adr, windoze will assign a APIPA ipadr. in the range 169.254.x.x.

> If it is DHCP, i shouldn't need to know the default gw or nameservers
> right?  That would be a big relief too me...
>

 Right, usually the windozebox get it all from dhcp.

/ernst



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Re: Install older version of libc6

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On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 07:41:19AM +0200, Lukas Kubin wrote:
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> By I mistake I've installed a libc6 version from unstable (2.2.5-14) and
> lots of packages from unstable version. How can I get them back to stable
> (Woody)?
> Thank you.

  You may be in trouble on that one. I know that there has been mention
  previously on this list that downgrades are not supported. You might
  need to do a reinstall.
  I'm not certain how you specify specific versions with apt-get or
  aptitude. I do reckon you would need to edit your
  /etc/apt/sources.list to remove the unstable entries, and add stable
  entries. You would also need to do an apt-get update. 

  ... and then my knowledge runs out.

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System boots with 2.4.29 but problem with RTL-8139

[J.S.Sahambi]

I added the "initrd=/initrd.img" to the section of new kernel and it 
works. :) Thanks :)

But, second problem has cropped up. My ethernet has stopped working. I 
am using RTL-8139. I checked the config file for the new kernel and it 
says 8139cp and 8139too are not compiled in kernel and they are modules.


So i used "modprobe 8139cp" and it gave the following errors"

***
  insmod 8139cp
  Using /lib/modules/2.4.19-686/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.o
  /lib/modules/2.4.19-686/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.o: unresolved symbol 
mii_ethtool_sset_R32d50a5e
  /lib/modules/2.4.19-686/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.o: unresolved symbol 
mii_ethtool_gset_R887face9
  /lib/modules/2.4.19-686/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.o: unresolved symbol 
mii_nway_restart_Rad534404
  /lib/modules/2.4.19-686/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.o: unresolved symbol 
mii_link_ok_R122e52d7
  jsahambi@ws97:~$

**


Can any body tell me how shall i proceed?

BTW, if I use modconf, does it add the modules tobe loaded  at boot time 
in /etc/moduels ?

Thanks
J S Sahambi


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Re: What happens to modules after recompiling to a new kernel

[Geoff Crompton]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 09:58:54PM -0700, Irvin Temp wrote:
> 
> Good day,
> 
> Trying to understand things as much as i can. I need a little help on some concepts 
> here. I installed linux and it detected my hardware e.g lancard and loaded the 
> module for it. After installation i downloaded latest kernel and recompiled it with 
> drivers builtin the kernel. 
>  
> Q1. When i recompiled my kernel what happens to the old modules that i have will 
> they be unusable or i can still use this modules?
>  
> Q2. Would there be a problem if ill use the modules compiled from the old kernel 
>with 
> the new kernel that im using? e.g use modules from 2.2.19 on the 2.4.19 kernel..
>  
> TIA

  If you are changing kernel version (old kernel is 2.2.19 and new
  kernel is 2.4.19) then 
  * the old modules are in /lib/modules/2.2.19/
  * the new modules will be in /lib/modules/2.4.19/
  * you may not have your old sound card modules if the new kernel
modules don't include them
  * with a leap in kernel version that large (going from a 2.2 series
kernel to a 2.4 series kernel) I wouldn't be inclined to try and use
the modules from the earlier kernel, and would be looking at
compiling the modules I need from within the new 2.4.19 tree.

  Geoff Crompton


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Re: What happens to modules after recompiling to a new kernel

[nate]

Irvin Temp said:

>
> Q1. When i recompiled my kernel what happens to the old modules that i
> have will
>
> they be unusable or i can still use this modules?

depends, 95-99% of the time the older modules are unusable. if the
kernel rev is very small, e.g. 2.4.18 to 2.4.19 or 2.2.19 to 2.2.20
you may be able to force a module to load with insmod -f, but most
often this won't work either.


> Q2. Would there be a problem if ill use the modules compiled from the old
> kernel with
>
> the new kernel that im using? e.g use modules from 2.2.19 on the 2.4.19
> kernel..

this certainly won't work, 2.2.19 and 2.4.19 are very different beasts..

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how to really disable screenblanking.

[Alex Polite]

I'm trying to disable screenblanking on my freevo box
(freevo.sourceforge.net).

So far I have tried combinations of theese:

setterm -blank 0

xset -dpms
xset s reset   /*Reset options*/
xset s expose   /*Turn's off all screen savers*/
xset s noblank   /*Turn's off screen blanking*/
xset s off/*Turn's off other options*/
xset dpms 0 0 0
xset dpms 6 6 6

I'm running X with framebuffers on a Matrox G400 card.
The display comes back if I run a fbset on the framebuffer device.

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Re: finding the right package

[Geoff Crompton]

On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 12:22:29AM -0400, Allan Wind wrote:
> On 2002-09-10 15:40:54, Phil Reardon wrote:
> > How do you find which package might contain something you need?  I need
> > glib-config-2.0 (so I can configure fribidi, which is needed to compile
> > abiword from source).  I do not know what package to get.  Thanks for
> > any suggestions.  PCR
> 
> `apt-cache search glib` or `apt-file search glib` should both do the
> trick.

  Or, you might try
  apt-get build-dep abiword

  from the apt-get man page:
 build-dep
   build-dep  causes apt-get to install/remove packages in an 
   attempt to satisfy the build dependencies for a source 
   packages. Right now virtual package build depends choose 
   a package at random.  

  I don't think the other package front ends have a feature like this
(the man page for aptitude doesn't mention anything about it).

  Cheers
  Geoff Crompton


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Re: mtent warning - newbie

[ernst]

Hi

You just need a new line at the end of fstab, at the end of the line
usbdevfs, just hit enter and there's your "new line".

/ernst



On 10 Sep 2002, Setyo Nugroho wrote:

> I got 3 rows of the flwg msg during booting:
> "[mtent] warning: no final new line at the end of etc/fstab"
>
> The same msg, when I mount /windows
>
> the flwg is my /etc/fstab file
>
> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
> #
> #  
> /dev/hda1   /windowsvfatrw,user,noauto  0
> /dev/hda6   /   ext2errors=remount-ro   0
> /dev/hda3   noneswapsw  0
> proc/proc   procdefaults0
> /dev/fd0/floppy autouser,noauto 0
> /dev/cdrom  /cdrom  iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0
> /dev/hdd/dvdiso9660 ro,user,noauto 0   0
> /dev/hda5   /boot   ext2defaults0
> /dev/hda7   /home   ext2defaults0
> /dev/hda8   /varext2defaults0
> usbdevfs/proc/bus/usb   usbdevfs defaults   0
>
> What does it mean? FYI: I still couldn't get my printer working well.
>
>
> Setyo
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Re: Kernel Panic with 2.4.19-686

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"J" == J S Sahambi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 J> Then I changed the lilo.conf for the new and old kernel.

Did you add initrd options to the new kernel stanza? Debian
 kernels use initrd, and you have to tell lilo that (incidentally, the
 new kernel image out to have warned you).

 J> While booting from new kernel it panics and gives the following
 J> message and hangs:
 J> *
 J> VFS: Cannot open root device "306" or 03:06
 J> Pleae append a correct "root=" boot option
 J> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mont root fs on 03:06
 J> 

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What happens to modules after recompiling to a new kernel

[Irvin Temp]

Good day,
Trying to understand things as much as i can. I need a little help on some concepts 
here. I installed linux and it detected my hardware e.g lancard and loaded the 
module for it. After installation i downloaded latest kernel and recompiled it with 
drivers builtin the kernel. 
 
Q1. When i recompiled my kernel what happens to the old modules that i have will 
they be unusable or i can still use this modules?
 
Q2. Would there be a problem if ill use the modules compiled from the old kernel with 
the new kernel that im using? e.g use modules from 2.2.19 on the 2.4.19 kernel..
 
TIA
 
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Re: Perl: bad interpreter

[Michael P. Soulier]

On 10/09/02 Jacob S. did speaketh:

> bash: /mnt/path/to/helloscript: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter:
> Permission denied

This usually means that there is no interpreter at /usr/bin/perl. Having
the file mounted via NFS means nothing significant that I know of, since it's
loaded and run locally. Are you logging into another machine remotely, and if
so, does it have perl at /usr/bin/perl?

If it's elsewhere but in the path, you could try this to keep the script
portable. 

#!/usr/bin/env perl

Mike

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Re: Kernel Panic with 2.4.19-686

[Tom Goulet (UID0)]

> VFS: Cannot open root device "306" or 03:06
> Pleae append a correct "root=" boot option

Does it /etc/lilo.conf have the correct root= line?

Does the kernel have IDE drivers (not as a module)?  ("306" above is
/dev/hda6 I think)

Does the kernel have ext3 drivers (not as a module)?

You can read the ".config" file for the kernel to find out, but it's a
little cryptic. 

Uhm, that's probably not everything.

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Perl: bad interpreter

[Jacob S .]

I've got a friend using one of my Debian machines to learn Perl. Tonight
he started with the universal "Hello world" script. It seems to work
great when run locally, but gives the following command when you attempt
to run it on a local machine while the file is located on a separate
computer connected by NFS.

bash: /mnt/path/to/helloscript: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter:
Permission denied

Both the machines are running Debian Woody, with all security updates
installed. The client is a Pentium 133 w/64mb of ram, running kernel
2.2.19. The file server is a 1Ghz AMD T-Bird w/768mb of ram, running
kernel 2.4.18.

The permissions on the file are -rwxr-xr-x, regardless of which computer
it's saved on at the time. The only difference is it's owned by a
different user and group.

Does anyone have any suggestions that would allow this to work?  

TIA,
Jacob

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Re: finding the right package

[Matthias Szupryczynski]

Phil Reardon wrote:

> How do you find which package might contain something you need?

Have a look at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages ,
you will find search facilities there that allow you
to search the package directory or to search the contents
of available packages.

> I need glib-config-2.0  [...]

Doing a search for glib-config, the system comes up with the
following answer:

libglib1.2-dev

That should be the package you are looking for.

HTH

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Re: finding the right package

[Allan Wind]

On 2002-09-10 15:40:54, Phil Reardon wrote:
> How do you find which package might contain something you need?  I need
> glib-config-2.0 (so I can configure fribidi, which is needed to compile
> abiword from source).  I do not know what package to get.  Thanks for
> any suggestions.  PCR

`apt-cache search glib` or `apt-file search glib` should both do the
trick.


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finding the right package

[Phil Reardon]

How do you find which package might contain something you need?  I need
glib-config-2.0 (so I can configure fribidi, which is needed to compile
abiword from source).  I do not know what package to get.  Thanks for
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Kernel Panic with 2.4.19-686

[J.S.Sahambi]

Well, thanks for the replies about kernel upgrading :)

Based on these replies I just installed Kernel 2.4.19-686 with
apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.19-686

Then I changed the lilo.conf for the new and old kernel.
While booting from new kernel it panics and gives the following message 
and hangs:
*
VFS: Cannot open root device "306" or 03:06
Pleae append a correct "root=" boot option
Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mont root fs on 03:06


I will like to mention that my "/" file system is ext3 (journling). Can 
that be a problem?


If yes, do I have to download the source (of 2.4.19) and recompile :| ?



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Re: Aptitude and apt-get

[Paul Bryan]

On Wednesday 11 September 2002 08:52, Jeff wrote:
>
> I ran an strace on aptitude without any other instance and once with
> another instance running and diff'd the output and found this:
>
> aptitude:
> < fcntl64(3, F_SETLK, {type=F_WRLCK, whence=SEEK_SET, start=0, len=0})
>   = 0
> < open("/var/lib/dpkg/updates/",
> O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY) = 4
>
> aptitude Readonly:
> > fcntl64(3, F_SETLK, {type=F_WRLCK, whence=SEEK_SET, start=0, len=0})
>
>   = -1 EAGAIN  (Resource temporarily unavailable)
>
> and there's no attempt to open /var/lib/dpkg/updates at all.  I check
> that dir and found no files.

I do believe that it's trying to lock (that's the fcntl function) this file 
first, then open it. The second time, it can't lock the file, so it doesn't 
open it. Seems logical anyway...

> I don't know what this means, but I thought I'd post it incase someone
> does understand this.
>
> jc


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Re: /lib/modules/2.4.18 missing while recompiling the kernel

[Alexander Schmehl]

* Matthias Szupryczynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020911 04:07]:

>> [..] All seems to be ok except one thing, the module suport. [..]
>> Maybe someone can help me :))
> After you have created your kernel image with 'make bzImage' or similar,
> do the following (line 177-180 /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/README): [..]

Or use make-kpkg instead, so you will get your kernel and modules
compiled and a very fine .deb, which you can easily install and remove
with dpkg.

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Re: cron stopped working, permission denied message in auth.log

[Rich Rudnick]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 11:37, Frederik Vanrenterghem wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm rather lost with this problem, which has caused cron to stop
> functioning on my debian unstable system. No ideas really on what might
> be going on, but /var/log/auth.log is filled with messages like:
> 
> Sep 10 20:32:01 maui cron(pam_unix)[22140]: session opened for user root
> by (uid=0)
> Sep 10 20:32:01 maui CRON[22140]: Permission denied
> Sep 10 20:33:01 maui cron(pam_unix)[22247]: session opened for user root
> by (uid=0)
> Sep 10 20:33:01 maui CRON[22247]: Permission denied
> 
I'll bet you're running gnome2, and have experimental in your
sources.list.  If so, you probably upgraded libpam0, libpam-modules, and
libpam-runtime to the experimental versions.  Downgrade to the versions
in unstable, and either learn pinning (I didn't) or put those packages
on hold (I did).



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Re: Controlling the list?

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Tom Cook wrote:

> Huh?  I thought it was mailman...

Nope, it's SmartList.  According to http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/:

"All original Debian mailing lists are run on a special server, using an
automatic mail processing software called SmartList."

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cron stopped working, permission denied message in auth.log

[Frederik Vanrenterghem]

Hi all,

I'm rather lost with this problem, which has caused cron to stop
functioning on my debian unstable system. No ideas really on what might
be going on, but /var/log/auth.log is filled with messages like:

Sep 10 20:32:01 maui cron(pam_unix)[22140]: session opened for user root
by (uid=0)
Sep 10 20:32:01 maui CRON[22140]: Permission denied
Sep 10 20:33:01 maui cron(pam_unix)[22247]: session opened for user root
by (uid=0)
Sep 10 20:33:01 maui CRON[22247]: Permission denied

I'd appreciate your help... Please CC me on any replies, since I'm not
subscribed.

Thanks!
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Re: /lib/modules/2.4.18 missing while recompiling the kernel

[Matthias Szupryczynski]

On Wed, 2002-09-11 at 11:45, Pierre Dupuis wrote:
> Hello Everyone :)
> 
> So i finaly decide to upgrading the kernel..
> All seems to be ok except one thing, the module suport.
> It's strange cause i enable this module process in the xconfig menu
> ...But i haven't got a /lib/modules/2.4.18/ dir...
> 
> Maybe someone can help me :))

After you have created your kernel image with 'make bzImage' or similar,
do the following (line 177-180 /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/README): 

-  If you configured any of the parts of the kernel as `modules', you
   will have to do "make modules" followed by "make modules_install".
   Read Documentation/modules.txt for more information.  For example,
   an explanation of how to use the modules is included there.

Hope that helps,

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Re: helo

[Tom Cook]

On  0, Stefan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a problem with my lq100 I`m using windows 2000 and i have
> problems printing the self test printes ok but when I try to print
> enything in windows it apears with a space the letters are broken
> with a white space between

A troll, surely?

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Re: Controlling the list?

[Tom Cook]

On  0, Claudio Bley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 17:28, Dennis Wicks wrote:
> > Greetings;
> > 
> > How do I get a list of commands for this list server?
> 
> It seems to be a rather simple list server (actually, it's driven by
> SmartList which is based on procmail). Try to send a message with a body
> of "help" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you'll get back a summary of
> available commands.

Huh?  I thought it was mailman...

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/lib/modules/2.4.18 missing while recompiling the kernel

[Pierre Dupuis]

Hello Everyone :)
 
So i finaly decide to upgrading the 
kernel..
All seems to be ok except one thing, the module 
suport. It's strange cause i enable this module process in the xconfig 
menu...But i haven't got a /lib/modules/2.4.18/ dir...
 
Maybe someone can help me :))
 
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Re: Errors in upgrading old Woody. Help?

[Jerome Acks Jr]

On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 03:51:55PM -0400, David Teague wrote:

[snip]

> 
>   dpkg --audit
> 
>   dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 16531 package
>   `cpp-3.0':
>   `Depends' field, reference to `gcc-3.0-base': version contains ` '
> 

It look like there is a problem with /var/lib/dpkg/status. the prior
version of the file is /var/lib/dpkg/status-old. Older versions of the
file should be found in /var/backups. 

You could try "cp /var/lib/dpkg/status-old  /var/lib/dpkg/status" and
see if that allows you to finish installing dpkg and debconf. If that
doesn't work, an older version in /var/backups may work, but the older
the version, the more out of sync it will be with what is actually installed.

Also, consider using dselect for your dist-upgrade. 
See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html#s5.2
The reference manual is a little dated; "testing" in the manual is
woody, which is now stable.

[snip]

> # apt-get install dpkg apt debconf
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Sorry, apt is already the newest version.
> 2 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 451  not upgraded.
> Need to get 1167kB of archives. After unpacking 147kB will be freed.
> Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main dpkg 1.9.21 [1073kB]
> Get:2 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main debconf 1.0.32 [94.0kB]
> Fetched 1167kB in 13s (87.1kB/s)   
> Preconfiguring packages ...
> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 16532 package `cpp-3.0':
>  `Depends' field, reference to `gcc-3.0-base': error in version: epoch in version is 
>not number
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)

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Re: Fvwm configuration

[Udo Schlaepfer]

Glyn Millington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Many thanks for this.  So I can read in the _system_  menudefs.hook and
> the autogenerated menus will appear?

Of course you can:

,
| Read /etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook Quiet
| 
| Mouse 1 R A Menu /Debian
`

This will bind the Debian menu to mouse button 1. Click mouse 1 on the
desktop an enjoy the result.

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Re: Compile libssl from source package

[Robert Ian Smit]

Talking to myself again.

Sorry about that.

Anyway, for future reference, I would like to mention that
recompiling libssl on a Sparc with the -mv8 flag to gcc really
speeds up the login process.

On the debian-sparc list, someone referred me to a message in the
archive.

See for more detail:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2002/debian-sparc-200203/msg00189.html

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Re: debconf 1.1.30 broken?

[Geoff Crompton]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 08:35:02AM +0200, Jerome Lacoste (Frisurf) wrote:
> I have been having the following problem with debconf in the past week:
> 
> 
> root@expresso> apt-get install debconf
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Sorry, debconf is already the newest version.
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 224  not
> upgraded.
> 2 packages not fully installed or removed.
> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
> Setting up debconf (1.1.30) ...
> Use of uninitialized value in exists at
> /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Cache.pm line 29.
> Use of uninitialized value in exists at
> /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 53,  line 6.
> Use of uninitialized value in exists at
> /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Cache.pm line 29,  line 6.
> Use of uninitialized value in exists at
> /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 53,  line 6.
> Use of uninitialized value in exists at
> /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Cache.pm line 29,  line 6.
> Use of uninitialized value in exists at
> /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 53,  line 6.
> Use of uninitialized value in exists at
> /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Cache.pm line 29,  line 6.
> Can't call method "choices" on an undefined value at
> /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 85,  line 6.
> dpkg: error processing debconf (--configure):
>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255
> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of pcmcia-cs:
>  pcmcia-cs depends on debconf (>= 0.2.17); however:
>   Package debconf is not configured yet.
> dpkg: error processing pcmcia-cs (--configure):
>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  debconf
>  pcmcia-cs
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> 
> 
> 
> As you can see, there is another problem with pcmcia-cs, but I do not
> want to upgrade that one as I hang my system each time I do it,
> requiring me to fsck my disks :( That's should be treated in another
> mail...
> 
> 
> Back to the problem: debconf doesn't update. I have no idea where this
> comes from neither how to solve it. A hint would be appreciated.

  It looks like pcmcia-cs doesn't really have a problem. It just can't
  be configured because debconf isn't installed properly to configure
  it.
  I wonder if you might have any success if you did a purge and then a
  reinstall of debconf. (Mind you, that might break things, so take this
  advice with a grain of salt).
  It looks (from your version number) that you are running either
  testing or unstable. Maybe there was a recent change to the package
  that broke it, or possibly (in unstable) something big is changing
  with perl, which broke it.
  I had a look at the BTS for debconf, and didn't see anything obvious
  about this. But it does look like debconf is being developed and
  undergoing changes in unstable.

  I guess I haven't really helped a lot. Maybe an email to the package
  maintainer might help, or lodging something in the BTS.

  Geoff Crompton


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Re: debconf 1.1.30 broken?

[Joey Hess]

Jerome Lacoste (Frisurf) wrote:
> I have been having the following problem with debconf in the past week:
> 
> root@expresso> apt-get install debconf
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Sorry, debconf is already the newest version.
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 224  not
> upgraded.
> 2 packages not fully installed or removed.
> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
> Setting up debconf (1.1.30) ...
> Use of uninitialized value in exists at
> /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Cache.pm line 29.

This probably indicates that your debconf database has gotten corrupted
somehow. Please tar up and send me a copy of /var/cache/debconf/*

You can attempt to repair the problem by running
/usr/share/debconf/fix_db.pl as root. If that fails, you can just blow
away /var/cache/debconf/*. But do send me copy first so I can
investigate what went wrong.

> As you can see, there is another problem with pcmcia-cs, but I do not
> want to upgrade that one as I hang my system each time I do it,
> requiring me to fsck my disks :( That's should be treated in another
> mail...

It's possible of course that this hang caused some disk or file
corruption that is at the root of your problem with debconf. I do try to
sync the disk after writing out the debconf database though.

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Re: Litle query :)

[Jason Wojciechowski]

Hello Pierre,

On Sep 11, "Pierre Dupuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 |  To load my dsl ECI Hi focus usb modem, i must use a kernel >=2.4.0. So i
 |  must compile it and replace the old one.
 |  I run on a Woody release, so do you think it's a good idea ?

Probably no problems.

Please don't reply to a message when you mean to start a new thread,
though.

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Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Mark L. Kahnt]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 14:29, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

[***Snipilisation!!!***]

>  David> I maintain that RTFM is not a suitable response.  
> 
>   Teach a man to fish 

And maybe the fish will evolve to grow legs, crawl up behind the man
fishing, and bite him on the backside ;)

> 
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Re: ext3 w/Woody 3.0r0?

[Jerome Acks Jr]

On Sun, Sep 08, 2002 at 08:47:22PM -0700, Rob Leachman wrote:
> Just wanted to check before I do something wrong... does Woody 3.0r0 
> support ext3? I'm told to worry about kernel support, is it in the 
> distributed "2.2.20-compact #1" kernel?
> 
> Also, while I'm asking these simple questions, I understand the way 
> to upgrade to ext3 is simply:
> 
> 1) Add ext3 journalling to the ext2 device with `tune2fs -j /dev/{myHD}`
> 2) Adjust /etc/fstab as required to indicate type "ext3" not "ext2"
> 
> ...is it?

see
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-ext3


> 
> Finally, why doesn't Woody prompt for ext3 like the other 
> distributions? I was reminded most others stop and ask ext2 or 
> ext3... maybe it's about the "compact" method I used.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: Motherboards

[Jeff]

Jeff Whitman, 2002-Sep-10 17:29 -0400:
> Thanks JC,
> 
> Are you suggesting avoiding Woody, the VIA chipset, or the Soyo P4VDA mother
> board?
> 
> Jeff

Sorry...I could try to be clear  :-) .  My suggestion is to avoid the
VIA chipset, which I plan to do on my next MB purchase.  However, nate
gives some good advice in this thread that you should consider.

Interesting note on the agpgart issue:  the kernel module doesn't load
stating unsupported hardware (I think?), but if I boot the machine to
Knoppix 3.1 the agpgart module loads just fine.  I haven't tried to
chase this down yet.

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Re: Installing from a floppy disk

[Paul Bryan]

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Try using a different disk as well. I went through three before I got one 
that worked. Old disks I think.

It's certainly worth a shot.

Paul.

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:47, Pat Colbeck wrote:
> Did you download the correct rescue.bin image ?
> There are several for different processor types and floppy disk sizes (ed
> 1.2Mb 1.44Mb).
>
> Pat
>
> On Monday 09 September 2002 4:03 pm, Sami Rayes wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > When I boot my PC with the "Rescue.bin" floppy I get repeated lines
> > saying that the kernel could not be found.
> >
> > I re-downloaded the file and re-copied it using rawrite, but I always
> > get the same result.
> >
> > I am a first time user!
> >
> > Kindly advise.
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> > Sami Rayes.
> >
> >
> >
> > __
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
> > http://finance.yahoo.com

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RE: Litle query :)

[David Pastern]

Pierre,

I can't see anything wrong with compiling a new kernel.  I'm using Woody and
the 2.4.18bf24 kernel and can't see anything wrong (mind you being new to
linux if something was wrong i'd most probably honestly miss it).  I'd
recommend going for it.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Pierre Dupuis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 8:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern
Subject: Litle query :)


 
Hi everyone :)

To load my dsl ECI Hi focus usb modem, i must use a kernel >=2.4.0. So i
must compile it and replace the old one.
I run on a Woody release, so do you think it's a good idea ?

Thanx for answer

Pierre
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From: "David Pastern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Matus "fantomas" Uhlar'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:37 AM
Subject: RE: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)


> I think that would be a excellent alternative for some people.  I consider
> the lists invaluable sources of information, but not everyone has the
> bandwidth to have lots of emails coming in to their inbox.  Someone did
> mention that there was a mirror to the lists, so hopefully that is the
case.
>
> Dave
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matus "fantomas" Uhlar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2002 2:03 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern
> Subject: Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)
>
>
>
> -> > Why on earth (to stay local) doesn't Debian move the lists to a
> -> > newsserver instead  That way it's much easier to follow threads
and
> -> > only download the messages that is of interest. And if Debian does
not
> -> > connect to other newsservers, they will not get obnoxious groups as
> -> > alt.sex or comp.microsoft..
>
> -> There is a newsgroup where this mailinglist is mirrored - check the
> -> archives (or someone else might mention it)
>
> I plan to try litttle news server for (possibly) all newsgroups, just for
> myself for now but maybe I'll make it public (well, i need agreement from
> list admins probably).
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RE: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[David Pastern]

Edward,

Most probably not actually, i'm older than you most probably think (although
you're most probably older than me anyways).  And i'm not a whelp - my point
has been made I think.  You have been using unix for a long time, I suspect
that you may partially forget what it is like to be a newbie.  Please stop
implying that I don't read the man pages etc.  I do.  And I try to
understand their terse wording and lack of working examples as best I can.  

But anyways, i'll apologise for my harsh words, and we'll just let things
drop ok?  I have my opinion on these matters, and you have yours.  

Best wishes,

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Edward Guldemond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2002 8:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern
Subject: Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)


 
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 11:52:01PM +1000, David Pastern wrote:
> well since you want to be rude and immature i'll respond in likewise - go
> fuck yourself.  It's people like you that piss newbies off and turn them
> away from linux and open source.  You have major attitude.  Most probably
a
> 14 year old looking at your choice of l33t etc as words.  
> 

I'll have you know I've proabably been using UNIX before you were even
born you little whelp.  Thank goodness I RTFM and know how to use
procmail.  * plonk *

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Re: Aptitude and apt-get

[Jeff]

Mike Kuhar, 2002-Sep-10 16:35 -0400:
> I've checked, and there are no other instances of either apt-get or aptitude
> running.  Further, the appropriate permissions are set to the directories
> /var/cache/apt and /var/cache/apt/archives.
> 
> One question, however.  Is the pid of either apt-get or aptitude stored in a
> *.pid file that either may check?
> 
> -mk

I don't see a pid file for apt-get, dpkg or aptitude in /var/run
(which is where it should be).  I also found lock files in
/var/lib/aptitude and /var/lib/dpkg, but they don't change when I
start aptitude or dselect.

I ran an strace on aptitude without any other instance and once with
another instance running and diff'd the output and found this:

aptitude:
< fcntl64(3, F_SETLK, {type=F_WRLCK, whence=SEEK_SET, start=0, len=0})
  = 0
< open("/var/lib/dpkg/updates/", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY) = 4

aptitude Readonly:
> fcntl64(3, F_SETLK, {type=F_WRLCK, whence=SEEK_SET, start=0, len=0}) 
  = -1 EAGAIN  (Resource temporarily unavailable)

and there's no attempt to open /var/lib/dpkg/updates at all.  I check
that dir and found no files.

I don't know what this means, but I thought I'd post it incase someone
does understand this.

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Litle query :)

[Pierre Dupuis]

Hi everyone :)

To load my dsl ECI Hi focus usb modem, i must use a kernel >=2.4.0. So i
must compile it and replace the old one.
I run on a Woody release, so do you think it's a good idea ?

Thanx for answer

Pierre
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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:37 AM
Subject: RE: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)


> I think that would be a excellent alternative for some people.  I consider
> the lists invaluable sources of information, but not everyone has the
> bandwidth to have lots of emails coming in to their inbox.  Someone did
> mention that there was a mirror to the lists, so hopefully that is the
case.
>
> Dave
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matus "fantomas" Uhlar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2002 2:03 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern
> Subject: Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)
>
>
>
> -> > Why on earth (to stay local) doesn't Debian move the lists to a
> -> > newsserver instead  That way it's much easier to follow threads
and
> -> > only download the messages that is of interest. And if Debian does
not
> -> > connect to other newsservers, they will not get obnoxious groups as
> -> > alt.sex or comp.microsoft..
>
> -> There is a newsgroup where this mailinglist is mirrored - check the
> -> archives (or someone else might mention it)
>
> I plan to try litttle news server for (possibly) all newsgroups, just for
> myself for now but maybe I'll make it public (well, i need agreement from
> list admins probably).
>
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RE: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[David Pastern]

I think that would be a excellent alternative for some people.  I consider
the lists invaluable sources of information, but not everyone has the
bandwidth to have lots of emails coming in to their inbox.  Someone did
mention that there was a mirror to the lists, so hopefully that is the case.

Dave

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Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2002 2:03 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern
Subject: Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)


 
-> > Why on earth (to stay local) doesn't Debian move the lists to a
-> > newsserver instead  That way it's much easier to follow threads and
-> > only download the messages that is of interest. And if Debian does not
-> > connect to other newsservers, they will not get obnoxious groups as
-> > alt.sex or comp.microsoft..

-> There is a newsgroup where this mailinglist is mirrored - check the
-> archives (or someone else might mention it)

I plan to try litttle news server for (possibly) all newsgroups, just for
myself for now but maybe I'll make it public (well, i need agreement from
list admins probably).

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Re: Fvwm configuration

[Glyn Millington]

Cameron Hutchison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>
> I use three of the hook files:

Thanks for these!

>> Can anyone point me to a full sample configuration ?  Or maybe share
>> their own ?  
>
> I'd be happy you to send you my config files if you still want them.

If you could that might be very helpful.  A good example is worth a great
deal!

Thanks again



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Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Edward Guldemond]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 11:52:01PM +1000, David Pastern wrote:
> well since you want to be rude and immature i'll respond in likewise - go
> fuck yourself.  It's people like you that piss newbies off and turn them
> away from linux and open source.  You have major attitude.  Most probably a
> 14 year old looking at your choice of l33t etc as words.  
> 

I'll have you know I've proabably been using UNIX before you were even
born you little whelp.  Thank goodness I RTFM and know how to use
procmail.  * plonk *

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Re: Fvwm configuration

[Cameron Hutchison]

Once upon a time Glyn Millington said...
> 
> I want to do this in the Debain way though - What I cannot completely
> grasp is the Debian way with fvwm, where most of the user configuration
> is done in "hook" files called from the system .fvwm2rc file.  I'm not
> clear what should go into which hook file [...]

I use three of the hook files:

init-restart.hook : I kill the FvwmPager module then restart it with
  options "* *" (because I dont want the default "0 3").

main-menu-pre.hook : I create a bunch of my own menus and them to the
  /Debian menu.

post.hook : All other configuration goes here (styles, rebind mouse
buttons and window buttons, bind keys, misc commands and module
parameters).

> Can anyone point me to a full sample configuration ?  Or maybe share
> their own ?  

I'd be happy you to send you my config files if you still want them.



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Re: Fvwm configuration

[Glyn Millington]

Udo Schlaepfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> but instead to add user customizations via hooks in the ~/.fvwm
>> directory.  Then the packaging system can update menus and the system
>> .fvwm2rc if it so wishes without codging up your customisations.
>
> Witch it can still do if you maintain your own .fvm2rc. The changes just
> will not hit your desktop. 

Ah but there's the rub!  I WANT those menus ;-)


> By the way, the only hook file updated by the package systems seems to
> be the menudefs.hook. And i stated in my previous mail, that you can
> (should) include this one.


Many thanks for this.  So I can read in the _system_  menudefs.hook and
the autogenerated menus will appear?


I take your pijnt about the hooks and willplay some more!!

many thanks


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Re: Fvwm configuration

[Udo Schlaepfer]

Glyn Millington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Udo - many thanks for the reply.  My problem is this:-

np

> As I said earlier, I have read the docs, as well as the manpages!  What
> the doc about the system file says explicitly is that one should NOT do
> what you are recommending,

Not true:

,[ /usr/share/doc/fvwm/README.sysrc.gz ]
| If a user is not completely happy with the environment set up by
| system.fvwm2rc, they could make any modifications they wish by copying
| system.fvwm2rc to ~/.fvwm2rc, and then changing the file.
`

This should read ~/.fvwm/.fvwm2rc, but it states what i suggested.

> but instead to add user customizations via hooks in the ~/.fvwm
> directory.  Then the packaging system can update menus and the system
> .fvwm2rc if it so wishes without codging up your customisations.

Witch it can still do if you maintain your own .fvm2rc. The changes just
will not hit your desktop. By the way, the only hook file updated by the
package systems seems to be the menudefs.hook. And i stated in my previous
mail, that you can (should) include this one.

> That principle I understand!

Good.

> There are examples of the various hook files, but they are rather brief
> and the explanations are somewhat terse, so I am still a little hazy about
> which sections of my customisations belong under which hook.  Most can
> clearly go into the post.hook.

Which would than be a replacement for your own .fvwm2rc ...
 
> So I asked for a few further examples.  Still hoping!!
> 
> Sorry for not being clearer.

No need to apologiese, your intentions are clear enough. The hook system is
nice (especialy the automatigcaly build Debian menu) but in my oppinion
overkill. You can use it but why bother with x hook files if you can
achieve the same result by building your own .fvwm2rc. If you think about
it, the hook system is nothing else than a .fvwm2rc broken down into parts
read into the system.fvwm2rc to build your own .fvwm2rc. 

Uhm ja, you guess what i mean.

Tschoe Udo.


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Re: scsi & ide disk speeds?

[Donald R. Spoon]

nate wrote:
> Svante Signell said:
> 
>>Hi,
> 
> 
>>I've always thought SCSI disks are faster than the IDE disks, but this
>>does not seem to be the case (at least for device reads). Anyone have a
>>good explanation, or am I missing something?
> 
> 
> as another pointed out, your scsi disk is pretty old, keep in
> mind that transfer rate isn't everything, access time is also
> as important if not more so then transfer rate. many SCSI disks
> have access times rated at sub 7ms (some are at 5ms). Most IDE
> disks are in the 10+ms range still. One of the fastest IDE drives
> is the Western Digital 8MB cache series(Special Edition) they have
> 8.9ms access times..which is still higher then a 5400RPM IBM
> 2.01GB ultrawide scsi disk I had back in 1996 ..(7.5ms). I have
> 2 100GB Special ediiton drives in software raid1 connected to
> a promise ata/100 controller, they are pretty fast. They don't
> compare to my Ultra160 SCSI disk connected to a 29160N at work
> though.
> 
> also hdparm probably isn't the best tool to benchmark SCSI disks since
> it is geared towards IDE disks..
> 
> bonnie++ can probably give more real-world tests since it operates
> on the filesystem level and copies/creates/deletes files of many
> sizes in several different ways. It also uses a large amount of data,
> the tests you posted seem to indicate 64MB worth of data is all that
> was measured, bonnie++ usually uses (system ram)*2 worth of disk
> space to test.
> 
> SCSI doesn't really start to shine though until you have multiple
> devices on the bus.
> 

Thanks for the pointer to bonnie++.  A few friends and I, who are sort 
of "advanced newbies" have just started looking at our system(s) 
performance.  As indicated in my previous message, I discovered the 
default HD setup I had was not quite "optimum" and was seriously capping 
(limiting) my network file transfer speeds.  Others in our group have 
reported similar observartions.  We didn't know about bonnie++ Looks 
like a very good tool for what we are looking at!  Thanks Again!!

Cheers,
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RE: Motherboards

[nate]

Jeff Whitman said:
> Thanks JC,
>
> Are you suggesting avoiding Woody, the VIA chipset, or the Soyo P4VDA
> mother board?

VIA chipsets are pretty similar as far as their problems are concerned.
most of my experience comes from the P3-class VIA chipsets, of which
I avoid the onboard sound(disabled on CUV4X), the onboard IDE(use
promise ATA/100s instead), and don't use AGP(NVidia's drivers usually
auto disable AGP when they find a VIA chipset, but I disable it in
XF86Config-4 as well). My soundcard of choice is Soundblaster PCI128..

I do like the VIA-based boards ..but for less headaches its not too
hard to just work around the problems. By doing this my VIA-based
boards are rock solid. I have a CUV4X that was up for nearly
14 months which I pounded on day in and out(Matrox G400) till a 3
hours power outage killed it(UPS couldn't last long enough).

nate




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Re: cvs remote repository access w/o pserver?

[DvB]

"nate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> DvB said:
> > I installed the cvs package and, as was recommended during
> > configuration, didn't enable pserver. Now all I need to do is figure out
> > how to access the repository without using pserver... anyone?
> 
> cvs over ssh. theres a buncha docs out there on how to do
> it, its probably easier then setting up pserver which is already
> easy ..:)


Thanks!

ssh isn't installed on the sun server the repository's on, but it's
all behind a firewall, so I got it working using rsh with the help of
these pages (in case anyone else finds this thread and wants to know):

http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=fa.d2gclav.oikg82%40ifi.uio.no&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dcvs%2B-d%2B%253Aext%253A%2Bpermission%2Bdenied%2Bcvs%2B%255Bcheckout%2Baborted%255D%253A%2Bend%2Bof%2Bfile%2Bfrom%2Bserver%2B(consult%2Babove%2Bmessages%2Bif%2Bany)%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26hl%3Den%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch


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Debian 3.0 and AIRONET PCI4800 (Aironet PCI350) ?

[W.D.McKinney]

I could really use some help. I have a CISCO AIR-PCI350 card that
I have been trying to get to work in Linux. I'd prefer to use Debian 
so I am asking here if anyone on the list has a workstaion using a
PCI wireless setup ? I have yet to get this to work under Linux and it works great
under MS Windows. Any pointers ?

Thanks
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Re: streaming problem

[nate]

skuda said:
>
>
> hi all :), i have a problem, i have 2 servers, with linux and apache
> 1.3.26 in it, one (A) have a slow connection 64kbit isdn, and the other
> (B) have a fast connection 100mbit, in A i have motion
> (http://motion.technolust.cx/) sharing a webcam in port 8001 and a java
> applet (cambozola) to show in the index of the webserver the camera in
> real time, i would like connect the fast (B) to the slow connection (A)
> and share with many people this camera without open more than one
> connection from (B) to (A), because  bandwith is too little to open many
> connections with B. Do you know any solution to this problem? thanks in
> advance

I haven't tried this, but maybe a reverse proxy-cache with squid? put the
webserver up and put the proxy-cache on the fast connection..

http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/FAQ/FAQ-20.html

nate




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RE: Motherboards

[Jeff Whitman]

Thanks JC,

Are you suggesting avoiding Woody, the VIA chipset, or the Soyo P4VDA mother
board?

Jeff

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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Motherboards


Jeff Whitman, 2002-Sep-09 18:54 -0400:
> Hello,
>
> I'm looking for information on P4 motherboards and chipsets for Woody?
>
> Please share any success or failure information.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff

Hey Jeff,

I've only have one P4 MB and it has the VIA chipset.  I'm having
trouble with the agpgart and the sound (via8233a) with woody and
2.4.19 kernel and ALSA, so I'd suggest avoiding it...Soyo P4VDA.

jc

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Re: scsi & ide disk speeds?

[nate]

Svante Signell said:
> Hi,

> I've always thought SCSI disks are faster than the IDE disks, but this
> does not seem to be the case (at least for device reads). Anyone have a
> good explanation, or am I missing something?

as another pointed out, your scsi disk is pretty old, keep in
mind that transfer rate isn't everything, access time is also
as important if not more so then transfer rate. many SCSI disks
have access times rated at sub 7ms (some are at 5ms). Most IDE
disks are in the 10+ms range still. One of the fastest IDE drives
is the Western Digital 8MB cache series(Special Edition) they have
8.9ms access times..which is still higher then a 5400RPM IBM
2.01GB ultrawide scsi disk I had back in 1996 ..(7.5ms). I have
2 100GB Special ediiton drives in software raid1 connected to
a promise ata/100 controller, they are pretty fast. They don't
compare to my Ultra160 SCSI disk connected to a 29160N at work
though.

also hdparm probably isn't the best tool to benchmark SCSI disks since
it is geared towards IDE disks..

bonnie++ can probably give more real-world tests since it operates
on the filesystem level and copies/creates/deletes files of many
sizes in several different ways. It also uses a large amount of data,
the tests you posted seem to indicate 64MB worth of data is all that
was measured, bonnie++ usually uses (system ram)*2 worth of disk
space to test.

SCSI doesn't really start to shine though until you have multiple
devices on the bus.





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Re: dhcp/windoze question

[nate]

Cameron Matheson said:
> nate wrote:
>
>
> How do i know which computer is the DHCP server?  They are all just
> win98 boxen w/ the tcp/ip set to obtain IP address automatically.  Or do
> i never need to know the ip address of the dhcp server (i thought that
> the deb installation asks you for that if you choose DHCP).

the logs on the debian machine should show what IP is the DHCP
server. on win98 the command winipcfg should show the IP of the DHCP
server, if its winnt or win2000 ipconfig /all should show. it's not
really that important, just be aware if the /etc/resolv.conf is screwed
up after switching to DHCP it could be because the DHCP server is running
some flavor of win32.

nate




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Re: scsi & ide disk speeds?

[Donald R. Spoon]

Svante Signell wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> -SNIP- <
> 
> However, with DMA off the speed is very low:
> hdparm -d 0 /dev/hda
> /dev/hda:
>  Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in 15.26 seconds =  4.19 MB/sec
> 

I got just about the same answer(s) on my machines when I ran hdparm on 
them.  ALL of the machines were defaulting to DMA off.  This all started 
when a visiting "guru" complained about the slow FTP transfers over my 
home LAN.  Upon investigation, I found the HD I/O on the various 
machines was capping the max transer rate of large files (330 Mbyts or 
so) to about 14% (14 Mbs)of the rated capacity (100 Mbs) of the network 
between any two machines!  Turning DMA on on all machines rasied this 
value dramatically to around 50% of the rated capacity between any two 
machines!

 > -SNIP-<
> BTW: Is there a good place to put in the hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
> somewhere at the boot scripts? I've added it to the
> /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh script. It would be very nice to have this as
> default without making any manual changes, but I assume there are
> reasons why not.
> 

There is a Debian package called "hwtools" that creates a nice 
initscript located in /etc/init.d/ that is called during bootup.  There 
is a place to place this command in there.  I just discovered this and 
implimented it here.  It works like a charm!  You get a few other 
"tools" in the process, most of which I havn't used yet.

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Re: streaming problem

[Mike Dresser]

On 10 Sep 2002, skuda wrote:

> hi all :), i have a problem, i have 2 servers, with linux and apache
> 1.3.26 in it, one (A) have a slow connection 64kbit isdn, and the other
> (B) have a fast connection 100mbit, in A i have motion
> (http://motion.technolust.cx/) sharing a webcam in port 8001 and a java
> applet (cambozola) to show in the index of the webserver the camera in
> real time, i would like connect the fast (B) to the slow connection (A)
> and share with many people this camera without open more than one
> connection from (B) to (A), because  bandwith is too little to open many
> connections with B. Do you know any solution to this problem? thanks in
> advance

Does the camera upload jpg's or something similar, one at a time?

If so, just setup the apache on B), and have A) upload the pictures to B)

Mike


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streaming problem

[skuda]

hi all :), i have a problem, i have 2 servers, with linux and apache
1.3.26 in it, one (A) have a slow connection 64kbit isdn, and the other
(B) have a fast connection 100mbit, in A i have motion
(http://motion.technolust.cx/) sharing a webcam in port 8001 and a java
applet (cambozola) to show in the index of the webserver the camera in
real time, i would like connect the fast (B) to the slow connection (A)
and share with many people this camera without open more than one
connection from (B) to (A), because  bandwith is too little to open many
connections with B. Do you know any solution to this problem? thanks in
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Re: scsi & ide disk speeds?

[Mike Dresser]

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Svante Signell wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have two different computers with SCSI disks, both with IBM brand,
> one an DDRS-39310D (10GB) and the other an IBM DNES-309170w (10GB)
> using the same kernel driver version, AIC7XXX, rev. 6.2.4 and debian
> stock kernels 2.4.18-686 and 2.4.18-686-smp, respectively. The second
> box reports much lower speeds at boot-up, and the performance is also
> lower for box2. This is unexpected since both the SCSI driver and the
> disk is newer. Anyone have a good explanation?
>
> Also compared to the box2 IDE disk (with DMA enabled), the speeds for the
> SCSI disks are inferior:

www.storagereview.com/legacy_comp.html

Go to the second testbed setup.(first doesn't have the drives you need)

You can't directly compare all the drives, but to be fair, i put the
40gv, both ultrastar es's, and a WD caviar 30 gig in the comparision.  And
for giggles, a modern hard drive, the WD1000BB


Once you adjust the bus speed of that UltraStar 18ES, it's not that bad of
a drive.

It's a pretty pointless comparision because you have to change OS's in
the comparision, but the IDE drive generally walks all over both SCSI
drives.

And the 100 gig "modern" drive just stomps all over the rest of them.

Mike


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Re: dhcp/windoze question

[Cameron Matheson]

nate wrote:

>yeah. if this is a normal ethernet network you should have no problems.
>HOWEVER, if the DHCP server is a win32 box you may quite likely have
>DNS problems, as at least NT4 seems to add a line feed character or
>something at the end of the nameservers it reports, so check /etc/resolv.conf
>if your on such a network, you can modify the DHCP scripts to ignore
>resolv.conf and you can configure it manually if this is the case.
>

How do i know which computer is the DHCP server?  They are all just 
win98 boxen w/ the tcp/ip set to obtain IP address automatically.  Or do 
i never need to know the ip address of the dhcp server (i thought that 
the deb installation asks you for that if you choose DHCP).

>if this is not a normal ethernet network(e.g. this is a computer with
>DSL over PPPoE or soemthing) then additional configuration may be
>required.
>

Yeah, it's just normal ethernet (their is a DSL modem, but that will be 
shared by a windoze box.


Thanks!
Cam




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RE: Aptitude and apt-get

[Mike Kuhar]

I've checked, and there are no other instances of either apt-get or aptitude
running.  Further, the appropriate permissions are set to the directories
/var/cache/apt and /var/cache/apt/archives.

One question, however.  Is the pid of either apt-get or aptitude stored in a
*.pid file that either may check?

-mk

> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:10 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Aptitude and apt-get
>
>
> Mike Kuhar, 2002-Sep-10 13:43 -0400:
> > Thanks for the reply, Jeff.
> >
> > After reinstalling apt, aptitude and dpkg, I still had the
> same problem.
> >
> > -mk
>
> Hmmm...the only time I see that message "could not lock the cache,
> opening in read-only mode" is when I have left aptitude open on
> another terminal somewhere, or running apt-get something somewhere.
>
> Check your processes to make sure you don't have any other instances
> of apt/dpkg running.
>
> The only other thing I can think of is permissions on the
> /var/cache/apt and /var/cache/apt/archives directories which should be
> drwxr-xr-x for both.
>
> jc
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Re: scsi & ide disk speeds?

[Mike Dresser]

> I've always thought SCSI disks are faster than the IDE disks, but this
> does not seem to be the case (at least for device reads). Anyone have
> a good explanation, or am I missing something?

Well, you've got ancient SCSI hard drives, I'm not surprised.  Those
drives are simply not all that fast in the first place.

> BTW: Is there a good place to put in the hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
> somewhere at the boot scripts? I've added it to the
> /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh script. It would be very nice to have this as
> default without making any manual changes, but I assume there are
> reasons why not.

That's fine, I put my own hdparm file in /etc/init.d

> Box1:
> Sep  8 20:49:08 box1 kernel:   Vendor: IBM   Model: DDRS-39130D   Rev: DC1B
> Sep  8 20:49:08 box1 kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI 
>revision: 02
> Sep  8 20:49:08 box1 kernel: (scsi0:A:6): 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 
>16bit)
>
> Box2:
> Sep 10 10:51:01 box2 kernel:   Vendor: IBM   Model: DNES-309170W  Rev: SA30
> Sep 10 10:51:01 box2 kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI 
>revision: 03
> Sep 10 10:51:01 box2 kernel: (scsi0:A:6): 11.626MB/s transfers (5.813MHz, offset 8, 
>16bit)

See the 11.626 MB/s line on box2?  Go into the adaptec bios (ctrl-a on
bootup), and fix the sync speed, or the negotiation speed.. Whichever they call it.

That'll make a big difference to equalizing the machines.

Mike Dresser


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PHP + apache + mm problems AGAIN

[af af]

Hello,

this seems to be a common issue, but I get
PHP Fatal error:  Unable to start session mm module in
Unknown on line 0
when I try to start apache with php4_module.

The usual recommendations,
  1) remove /tmp/session_mm.sem or give access
permission to the user running php4,
  2) increase the limit on shared memmory (echo
"33554432" > /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax).
are useless -- it's an Athlon x86 machine, so shmmax
is already 33554432, and /tmp/ is empty and
user writable as it should be.

Debian: testing (sid)
Kernel: both 2.4.18 & 2.4.19 but not a kernel issue as
far as I can see
Related packages:
# dpkg -l php* apache* | awk '/^ii/ { print $2 "\t" $3
}'
php44.1.2-4
php4-imap   4.1.2-4
php4-mysql  4.1.2-4
php4-pear   4.1.2-4
php4-pgsql  4.1.2-4
apache  1.3.26-1
apache-common   1.3.26-1

Any ideas?

Regards,
Skrjabin

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Re: Aptitude and apt-get

[Jeff]

Mike Kuhar, 2002-Sep-10 13:43 -0400:
> Thanks for the reply, Jeff.
> 
> After reinstalling apt, aptitude and dpkg, I still had the same problem.
> 
> -mk

Hmmm...the only time I see that message "could not lock the cache,
opening in read-only mode" is when I have left aptitude open on
another terminal somewhere, or running apt-get something somewhere.

Check your processes to make sure you don't have any other instances
of apt/dpkg running.

The only other thing I can think of is permissions on the
/var/cache/apt and /var/cache/apt/archives directories which should be
drwxr-xr-x for both.

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scsi & ide disk speeds?

[Svante Signell]

Hi,

I have two different computers with SCSI disks, both with IBM brand,
one an DDRS-39310D (10GB) and the other an IBM DNES-309170w (10GB)
using the same kernel driver version, AIC7XXX, rev. 6.2.4 and debian
stock kernels 2.4.18-686 and 2.4.18-686-smp, respectively. The second
box reports much lower speeds at boot-up, and the performance is also
lower for box2. This is unexpected since both the SCSI driver and the
disk is newer. Anyone have a good explanation?

Also compared to the box2 IDE disk (with DMA enabled), the speeds for the
SCSI disks are inferior:

Box2:
Sep 10 10:06:32 box2 kernel: hda: IBM-DTLA-305020, ATA DISK drive

hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  3.29 seconds = 19.45 MB/sec
/dev/hda:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  3.35 seconds = 19.10 MB/sec

However, with DMA off the speed is very low:
hdparm -d 0 /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in 15.26 seconds =  4.19 MB/sec

I've always thought SCSI disks are faster than the IDE disks, but this
does not seem to be the case (at least for device reads). Anyone have
a good explanation, or am I missing something?

Best regards,
Svante

BTW: Is there a good place to put in the hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
somewhere at the boot scripts? I've added it to the
/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh script. It would be very nice to have this as
default without making any manual changes, but I assume there are
reasons why not.

Box1:
Sep  8 20:49:08 box1 kernel: scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 
6.2.4
Sep  8 20:49:08 box1 kernel: 
Sep  8 20:49:08 box1 kernel: aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 
SCBs
Sep  8 20:49:08 box1 kernel:   Vendor: IBM   Model: DDRS-39130D   Rev: DC1B
Sep  8 20:49:08 box1 kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI 
revision: 02
Sep  8 20:49:08 box1 kernel: (scsi0:A:6): 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 
16bit)
Sep  8 20:49:08 box1 kernel: scsi0:A:6:0: Tagged Queuing enabled.  Depth 8
Sep  8 20:49:08 box1 kernel: Attached scsi disk sdc at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0
Sep  8 20:49:08 box1 kernel: SCSI device sdc: 1785 512-byte hdwr sectors (9139 MB)

hdparm -t /dev/sdc
/dev/sdc:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  5.57 seconds = 11.49 MB/sec
/dev/sdc:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  5.12 seconds = 12.50 MB/sec

Box2:
Sep 10 10:51:01 box2 kernel: scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 
6.2.4
Sep 10 10:51:01 box2 kernel: 
Sep 10 10:51:01 box2 kernel: aic7895C: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 32/253 
SCBs
Sep 10 10:51:01 box2 kernel:   Vendor: IBM   Model: DNES-309170W  Rev: SA30
Sep 10 10:51:01 box2 kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI 
revision: 03
Sep 10 10:51:01 box2 kernel: (scsi0:A:6): 11.626MB/s transfers (5.813MHz, offset 8, 
16bit)
Sep 10 10:51:01 box2 kernel: scsi0:A:6:0: Tagged Queuing enabled.  Depth 8
Sep 10 10:51:01 box2 kernel: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0
Sep 10 10:51:01 box2 kernel: SCSI device sda: 17916240 512-byte hdwr sectors (9173 MB)

hdparm -t /dev/sda
/dev/sda:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  6.78 seconds =  9.44 MB/sec
/dev/sda:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  6.74 seconds =  9.50 MB/sec


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RE: Local address lookup

[Mike Kuhar]

Hi Jan,

I'll assume that you have the default gateway setup and a static route to
your local net.  Check /etc/nsswitch.conf to insure that you have the entry:

hosts: files dns

Also, for hosts on the same network, you don't have to specify domain names.
So your entries should look like this /etc/hosts:

127.0.0.1   localhost
192.168.2.2 saturn
192.168.2.1 jupiter

Hope this helps.  -mk

> -Original Message-
> From: Jan Willem Stumpel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Local address lookup
>
>
> This is a follow-up to the thread "Local Net - delays in telnet
> login" of last month.
>
> I have a local (home) network containing machines jupiter and
> saturn. Saturn has a connection to the Internet (ADSL) which may
> or may not be functioning. Both machines are running Woody.
>
> Symptom: if saturn's Internet connection is down, from jupiter,
> "telnet saturn" succeeds, but only after a long delay. If the
> connection is up, "telnet saturn" succeeds immediately. Saturn has
> IP address 192.168.2.2. If I use the numerical address (telnet
> 192.168.2.2) it *always* succeeds immediately, no matter if there
> is an Internet connection or not.
>
> This suggests a DNS type problem. Everywhere (on jupiter and
> saturn) /etc/host.conf has "order hosts,bind" (I also tried "order
> hosts bind", space instead of comma, as stated by an old version
> of the *Linux Network Administrator's Guide*).
>
> /etc/hosts on both machines has
>
> 127.0.0.1   localhost
> 192.168.2.2 saturn.my.home   saturn
> 192.168.2.1 jupiter.my.home  jupiter
>
> /etc/resolv/conf on jupiter has
>
> cache . root.cache
> nameserver aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd
> nameserver aaa.bbb.ccc.eee
>
> These are the ISP's name servers; of course when there is no
> Internet connection they do not work, but I assume that the
> /etc/hosts file will get priority anyway.
>
> I have installed the Debian package *host* so I can type from jupiter
>
> host saturn
>
> I get the answer
>
> saturn does not exist, try again
>
> But if I type
>
> host 192.168.2.2
>
> I get (at once)
>
> Name: saturn.my.home
> Address: 192.168.2.2
> Aliases: saturn
>
> So it seems the identification "saturn --> 192.168.2.2" cannot be
> made locally (i.e. on jupiter) although the identification
> "192.168.2.2 --> saturn" can. What is wrong with my "address
> lookup set-up"?
>
> regards, Jan
>
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Re: Gnome2 - HELP

[Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 21:42, Henrik Enberg wrote:
> "Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I have succesfully downloaded packages, but several of them hangs during
> > setting up:
> > - file-roller
> > - bud-buddy
> > - gnome-applets2
> > - gnome-control-center2
> > - gnome-panel-data2
> 
> Run `apt-get install' again.  They took a time (almost 15 mins) for me
> to set up. 
> 
You was right, waiting solved it.
Vlada



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Re: Gnome2 - HELP

[Henrik Enberg]

"Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have succesfully downloaded packages, but several of them hangs during
> setting up:
> - file-roller
> - bud-buddy
> - gnome-applets2
> - gnome-control-center2
> - gnome-panel-data2

Run `apt-get install' again.  They took a time (almost 15 mins) for me
to set up. 

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Re: Fvwm configuration

[Glyn Millington]

Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>  Glyn> Can anyone point me to a full sample configuration ?  Or maybe share
>  Glyn> their own ?  
>
>   You do not have to use the system .fvwm2rc file. Here is my
>  setup http://people.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/X.tar.bz2 (It is my
>  complete X setup, of which fvwm is a part). I essentially create my
>  own .fvwmrc file, and load system bits as I see fit.


Many thanks - will study with care!!





Glyn

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Re: Local address lookup

[nate]

Jan Willem Stumpel said:
> This is a follow-up to the thread "Local Net - delays in telnet
> login" of last month.
>
> So it seems the identification "saturn --> 192.168.2.2" cannot be  made
> locally (i.e. on jupiter) although the identification
> "192.168.2.2 --> saturn" can. What is wrong with my "address
> lookup set-up"?


this is usually caused by tcp wrappers(most often controlled
from /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow). the best solution I
think is to run a local nameserver and provide forward and reverse
resolution for your local network. A workaround may be to do something
such as:

ALL: 192.168.2.

in your /etc/hosts.allow and/or remove ALL: PARANOID from /etc/hosts.deny.

that format above may not be exactly right its been years since I've
seriously played with tcp wrappers.

but I still reccomend setting up a DNS ..

another workaround at least for telnet may be to just not use
tcp_wrappers(which is fine as long as your firewalled), edit
/etc/inetd.conf and remove the reference to tcpd, and restart it,
that may work too(haven't tried it, and I've been using xinetd for
a while which has it's own tcp wrappers support..)


nate




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Local address lookup

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

This is a follow-up to the thread "Local Net - delays in telnet 
login" of last month.

I have a local (home) network containing machines jupiter and 
saturn. Saturn has a connection to the Internet (ADSL) which may 
or may not be functioning. Both machines are running Woody.

Symptom: if saturn's Internet connection is down, from jupiter, 
"telnet saturn" succeeds, but only after a long delay. If the 
connection is up, "telnet saturn" succeeds immediately. Saturn has 
IP address 192.168.2.2. If I use the numerical address (telnet 
192.168.2.2) it *always* succeeds immediately, no matter if there 
is an Internet connection or not.

This suggests a DNS type problem. Everywhere (on jupiter and 
saturn) /etc/host.conf has "order hosts,bind" (I also tried "order 
hosts bind", space instead of comma, as stated by an old version 
of the *Linux Network Administrator's Guide*).

/etc/hosts on both machines has

127.0.0.1   localhost
192.168.2.2 saturn.my.home   saturn
192.168.2.1 jupiter.my.home  jupiter

/etc/resolv/conf on jupiter has

cache . root.cache
nameserver aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd
nameserver aaa.bbb.ccc.eee

These are the ISP's name servers; of course when there is no 
Internet connection they do not work, but I assume that the 
/etc/hosts file will get priority anyway.

I have installed the Debian package *host* so I can type from jupiter

host saturn

I get the answer

saturn does not exist, try again

But if I type

host 192.168.2.2

I get (at once)

Name: saturn.my.home
Address: 192.168.2.2
Aliases: saturn

So it seems the identification "saturn --> 192.168.2.2" cannot be 
made locally (i.e. on jupiter) although the identification 
"192.168.2.2 --> saturn" can. What is wrong with my "address 
lookup set-up"?

regards, Jan


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Re: Gnome2 - HELP

[Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka]

I have succesfully downloaded packages, but several of them hangs during
setting up:
- file-roller
- bud-buddy
- gnome-applets2
- gnome-control-center2
- gnome-panel-data2
and several others.
No error message ...
Can you give me hint what to do?
Thanks
Vlada
On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 19:35, Amir Tal wrote:
> On Tuesday 10 September 2002 20:25, Francois Chenais wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Where can I find Debian gnome2 packages for sarge ?
> > Thanks a lot.
> >
> > Franחois
> 
> try : 
> deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main
> deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main
> 
> tal.




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Re: Fvwm configuration

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"Glyn" == Glyn Millington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Glyn> I want to do this in the Debain way though - What I cannot completely
 Glyn> grasp is the Debian way with fvwm, where most of the user configuration
 Glyn> is done in "hook" files called from the system .fvwm2rc file.  I'm not
 Glyn> clear what should go into which hook file - and yes I have read the docs
 Glyn> but am just dim :-( 

 Glyn> Can anyone point me to a full sample configuration ?  Or maybe share
 Glyn> their own ?  

You do not have to use the system .fvwm2rc file. Here is my
 setup http://people.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/X.tar.bz2 (It is my
 complete X setup, of which fvwm is a part). I essentially create my
 own .fvwmrc file, and load system bits as I see fit.

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Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"David" == David Pastern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 David> I will 100% stand by my original words on elitism being
 David> present in linux and its users.  I know not everyone one of
 David> you guys is like this.  The vast majority are nice, helpful
 David> and patient from what I have seen on the posts so far, despite
 David> seeing the same questions being asked time and time again.

Why is elitism supposedly so bad?  Elitism - ie a high
 standard of technical excellence - is *exactly* what we're here for,
 and continue failure to recognise that will lead and is leading to
 problems. Indeed, I support measures which raise the bar to new
 maintainers, provided they concentrate on qualities that are valuable
 in a developer - chiefly, a very high level of technical competence.

Of course, this does not apply to users, but there is a
 spillover effect. Since most people working for Debian are working to
 scratch their own itch, (remember, I said most, not all), Debian ends
 up being targeted to people similar to the developers, for the most
 part. Reaching maximal market share has never really been a goal for
 a significant number of developers. 

Now, recognizing the Debian should be lead by those who are
 most capable, rather than those with blue skin or with
 seniority -- does not imply that one has to be rude to people, or
 sneer at them. But one does not have to turn the other cheek at
 rudeness either, since support is on a voluntary basis, and one does
 not _have_ to deal with rudeness.

Unfortunately, one of the corollaries is that since support
 happens on a voluntary basis, interesting problems, or reports that
 point to flaws in packages tend to be more interesting (ulterior
 motive -- fixing flaws improves my own experience with the software).

 David> I maintain that RTFM is not a suitable response.  

Teach a man to fish 

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Re: Installing new kernel

[Hubert Chan]

> "Mark" == Mark L Kahnt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[...]

Mark> I'm hoping that first make is something like "make config", "make
Mark> menuconfig" or "make xconfig", so that you can adjust the kernel
Mark> to the needs of your system, such as specific graphic, network or
Mark> sound cards.

If you have a previously compiled kernel, you can copy the old .config
file, and run "make oldconfig" to be prompted for just the configuration
options which have been added.  If you use make-kpkg, or a pre-built
kernel, the old .config file can be found in /boot/config-.

[...]

Mark> What is recommended with Debian, however, is to use make-kpkg ...

Note that make-kpkg is in the Debian package called kernel-package.

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Building debian on S/390?

[Dennis Wicks]

Greetings;

Has anyone here installed debian on a S/390?

I have downloaded jigdo and libdb3, built and installed libdb3 but I
am getting hung up on making jigdo.

Before I spend anymore time beating my head against the desk I thought
there might be a better way.

I am doing this under TurboLinux 7.0.0 (kernel 2.4.17) on S/390 and
I do not have a cd burner or reader available. I do have net access.

Many TIA!
Dennis
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Re: Solution was: [module parport_pc lsst sich nicht laden]

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 the mental interface of 
nate told:

[...]
> e.g.
> modprobe parport_pc io=0x378 irq=7
> 
> the above parameters are usually the defaults for the parallel port
> on most systems.. check the bios of your system to be sure if it doesn't
> work ..
Yep! The velleman adapter was compiled into the kernel directly.
This is an paralellport sensor adapter which has blocked io=0x378
before the parport_pc was loaded as a module. I removed velleman fom
the kernel and printing is working now!

Ciao

Elimar

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Re: Fvwm configuration

[Glyn Millington]

Udo Schlaepfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Glyn Millington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I want to do this in the Debain way though - What I cannot completely
>> grasp is the Debian way with fvwm, where most of the user configuration
>> is done in "hook" files called from the system .fvwm2rc file.  I'm not
>> clear what should go into which hook file - and yes I have read the docs
>> but am just dim :-( 
>
> The man page is quite detailed, just copy one of the config files (i
> suggest /etc/X11/fvwm/system.fvwm2rc) to ~/.fvwm/.fvwm2rc and start
> tailoring it to your needs.

Udo - many thanks for the reply.  My problem is this:-

As I said earlier, I have read the docs, as well as the manpages!  What
the doc about the system file says explicitly is that one should NOT do
what you are recommending, but instead to add user customizations via
hooks in the ~/.fvwm directory.  Then the packaging system can update
menus and the system .fvwm2rc if it so wishes without codging up your
customisations.

That principle I understand!

There are examples of the various hook files, but they are rather brief
and the explanations are somewhat terse, so I am still a little hazy about
which sections of my customisations belong under which hook.  Most can
clearly go into the post.hook.

So I asked for a few further examples.  Still hoping!!

Sorry for not being clearer.

Thanks again



Glyn

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Re: Mice can not work in a new kernel 2.4.19

[nate]

Willy Sutrisno said:

> Actually I never ask a solution for my geforce, because I can use Nvidia
> Driver in 2.4.

yes, but at least to me your post indicated that you switched
to 2.4.x specifically to use your geforce4.(I don't use 2.4.x anywhere
cept on test systems)

nate




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Re: Script used in our messages archive

[Josip Rodin]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 07:42:07AM -0700, A R wrote:
> Hi guys, can someone tell me what script we use in our
> mail list archive? We need to develop a message board
> similar to the one we got in the archives. It is the
> best looking one (no bias here!)

It's a combination of procmail, mhonarc and glimpse currently.
See the lists-archives package.

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Re: Script to stop DCHP client if no ethernet cable attached

[Jason McCarty]

> Does anyone have a script that will detect that the ethernet port is
> not connect to a hub/switch (mii-tool detects this well) so that when
> I boot my machine when disconnected I do not have to wait for the
> DHCP client to fail.

> I currently have in /etc/network/interfaces:-

> iface eth0 inet dhcp

David,

Try adding the line
pre-up /usr/local/sbin/chkiface
under your eth0 stanza, where chkiface is a script you write, whose
return value tells whether the NIC is plugged in. See interfaces(5) for
details on "pre-up." If you need help writing the script, I'm sure
someone on debian-user could help with that as well.

Good Luck!

Jason McCarty

PS: Please CC me on replies.


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mailing list problems

[Srinivas Nyayapati]

Hi 

 

I am trying to unsubscribe to this mailing list, and even after I
respond to the confirmation email, I am still getting emails from this list.

Can any body help.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Srinivas

RE: Aptitude and apt-get

[Mike Kuhar]

Thanks for the reply, Jeff.

After reinstalling apt, aptitude and dpkg, I still had the same problem.

-mk

> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Aptitude and apt-get
> 
> 
> Mike Kuhar, 2002-Sep-10 04:03 -0400:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I've got a strange one.  As root, in aptitude, I'll do an update
> > successfully.  Then I do an upgrade, the files download, 
> > the progress bar will not show total progress, just progress per 
> > file, then  reset to 0% for the next file.  When the files 
> > complete downloading, I hit  a carrige return to go to the 
> > installation phase, I get an error telling me  that aptitude
> > couldn't lock the cache, and will open it read only, and 
> > the upgrade stops.
> > 
> > Using apt-get, I update successfully, I do upgrade, the files start
> > downloading, again, instead of getting a total progress  percentage
> > at the begining of each line, I just get some bogus number.  When 
> > downloading is complete, I get an error message telling me that 
> > every file I just watched download is missing, and maybe I should
> > try again with  --fix-missing.
> > 
> > If I do something like 'apt-get --reinstall install apt',  this
> > works.  If I use apt-get to install a new package, it installs 
> > the new package successfully along with any dependancies.
> > 
> > I'm running unstable with the 2.4.19 kernel on three machines, 
> > and this strange behavior only affects one machine.  Anyone one got 
> > any ideas as to the problem?
> 
> After you reinstall apt, do you get this problem again at all?  It
> seems like you had dpkg, dselect, apt or aptitude running somewhere
> else whily tried to do the update.  By reinstalling, that would stop
> any other apt processess to reinstall, which would remove the lock.
> 
> just a thought...jc
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Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Hubert Chan]

> "David" == David Pastern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

David> Ok for those that have replied to my post -

David> 1.  I'm relatively new to linux in general and totally new to
David> Debian

I hope that we'll be able to convince you that this list is, on the
whole, more helpful and more polite than what you may have seen in other
Linux forums.  Just remember that there we will always have jerks on
this list, and that we are all volunteers, and our time and abilities
are limited, so the amount of help that we can give out will be limited.

[...]

David> 9.  The sheer scope of inbound emails is enormous.  It's hard to
David> keep up with them all, and I think that's what the gentleman
David> mentioned in point 2.  was feeling.

Had he stayed around for an answer, he probably would have gotten a
proper one.  In any event, if anyone doesn't want to receive so many
emails a day, you can subscribe to the digest version of the list
(although I doubt it would be much better, since you just replace a lot
of smaller messages, with one huge message), or visit gmane.org, which
is a bi-directional mail:news gateway for many mailing lists.  It also
allows you to request lists to be added, if they are not already
provided, and provides an archive of old messages (only going back to
when the list was originally added, of course).

I personally use it for all the mailing lists that are more than a few
(for some value of "few") messages per day.

David> 10.  Remember that english is not everyones main tongue.  Writing
David> skills are always weaker for a person from a NESB (non english
David> speaking background).

(The "E" in English is always capitalized, BTW.)

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Re: Gnome2

[Amir Tal]

On Tuesday 10 September 2002 20:25, Francois Chenais wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Where can I find Debian gnome2 packages for sarge ?
> Thanks a lot.
>
>   François

try : 
deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main
deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main

tal.


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Re: How to make kernel-modules-.deb?

[Eric Richardson]

Claudio Bley wrote:

> On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 19:15, Eric Richardson wrote:
> 
>>Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>
>"Eric" == Eric Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
>>> Eric> I've been able to to use make-kpkg kernel-image to create a custom
>>> Eric> kernel .deb file from a kernel source package. All the modules are
>>> Eric> compiled and I tried make-kpkg modules-image but no deb file gets
>>> Eric> created. How do I create the modules deb file?
>>>
>>> What moduls.deb file? Do you have stand alone modules packages
>>> installed? Which modules packages are these? The modules you
>>> designated that come with the kernel are part of the kernel imagfe
>>> deb itself.
>>>
>>Hi Manoj,
>>
>>I guess I'm totally confused. When I upgraded to 2.4.18, I had to 
>>install the kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18 so I guess I'm thinking of this.
>>
>>So let me see if I got this correct. Installing the kernel-image I 
>>created will install the modules compiled in /lib/modules/. 
>>This of course are not the modules I chose to compile into the kernel.
>>
>>Also, not sure why I get what seems to be an error when I do a make-kpkg
>>
>>modules_image. See end of message. What is that command suppose to do? 
>>
>>How do I include the pcmcia modules or is this a seperate think I need 
>>to make a deb for?
>>
> 
> Install the pcmcia-source package. Then, go to /usr/src and 'tar xvzf 
> pcmcia-cs.tar.gz'. Go into your kernel source directory and run
> 'make-kpkg -rev k6.1 modules_image'.
> 
> Btw, this is not an error you've seen before, there's just nothing to do
> because you haven't unpacked any sources into the /usr/src/modules
> directory.


I see now that I really didn't need the pcmcia modules as the new kernel 
uses yenta and normal net drivers which are included with the kernel 
source. Since I installed 2.4.18 version of the pcmcia utilites I really 
didn't need to compile the pcmcia package for the 2.4.7 timesys kernel. 
I did need to configure CONFIG_FILTER to get dhclient to work and make 
sure CONFIG_PCMCIA and CONFIG_CARDBUS where selected. Running 
dhclient-2.2.x eth0 gave me the clue as it said to make sure that 
CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are included in the kernel. dhclient 
normally calls dhclient-2.2.x with a -q option which suppresses the 
output. Now pcmcia networking works!!

Just learning so I appreciate all the help.

Eric




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RE: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)

[Mark L. Kahnt]

On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:37, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> I wasn't necessarily complaining, just rebutting his remark.
> 
> The main one I am concerned about at the moment was to see if anyone has set
> up an 8 port digiboard before.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Barry deFreese
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> Nike Team Sports
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> 
> "Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster."
> Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell
> 

I haven't set up a digiboard, but I remember reading up on how to do it
a couple years back - I think it was in the documentation for the module
in the 2.2.x kernel.

The absence of response wasn't the point of my paragraph there - I know
that various questions don't get answered. Probably a third or more of
my questions don't get answered, because I'm looking for information on
matters that others don't have experience with, or don't necessarily
care about. I don't worry about this as I know that this is a peer
support environment - it isn't mandated with the duty of solving all
problems that arise on any aspect of Debian software, but is a useful
resource if it can help. It can't help if people don't ask, or nobody
else has had experience with the problem. Kai Olsen hadn't asked.

A side note, Debian, at most, only can be implied to have any hint of
moral responsibility for supporting Debian specific matters -
adjustments that they make to packages, apt, dpkg, debiandoc, make-kpkg
and other items they have developed from scratch as part of Debian, and
installation and management problems with .debs, and their relative
currency. Any other support that arises is gravy. This place has plenty
of free gravy :)
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Colin Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:21 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Why mailing-lists? Usenet have been invented, I hear. ;-)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 09:03:46AM -0700, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> > I have to take a little exception to this one Mark.  I have posted at
> > least two different questions to this list with 0 responses.  Now,
> > they were somewhat developer related but I did not recieve so much as
> > "please post to debian- developer" etc.
> 
> This is unfortunate, but it's not really anything to do with the current
> thread. In any support situation, unless contracts are involved, it's
> inevitable that some will get missed.
> 
> I'll have a look back and see if I know anything about the questions you
> asked. The second, though, was pretty hardware-specific, so if you're
> unlucky and none of the volunteers reading happen to own that hardware
> then there's not much that can be done.
> 
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Gnome2

[Francois Chenais]

Hello, 

Where can I find Debian gnome2 packages for sarge ?
Thanks a lot.

François



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