Re: wget logging
On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 01:20, Andre Berger wrote:
> * Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2002-10-21 09:51 -0400:
> > Andre Berger wrote:
> > >* Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2002-10-21 09:31 -0400:
> > >>On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:07:50AM -0400, Andre Berger wrote:
> > >>>Is it possible to see wget's messages on the console, and at the same
> > >>>time log them with "-a"? I haven't been able to figure that one out.
> [...]
> > $ wget -c $MYURL -a | tail logfile
>
> That works. Can I make this a bash alias somehow? Like
>
> alias wget='wget -c $ -a $HOME/.wget.log | tail $HOME/.wget.log'
>
> where I would have to figure out $
You can't use aliases like that because there's no variable expansion
done on them. But you can use functions. For example:
wget() {
command wget -c "$@" -a "${HOME}/.wget.log" | tail "${HOME}/.wget.log"
}
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Re: Dumb terminals possible with i386 Debian
> Metaframe still requires a local CPU to handle display stuff. You > can't route VGA signals over ATM. I did not mean Asynchronous Transfer Mode.. (not sure if you meant that either...just trying to being clear) I meant that it was like an ATM card that you stick into this little box that had jacks for keyboard, monitor, and mouse. Some sort of flash card.wish I knew moresorry. (I will find out and get back to this list) > Citrix essentially does what X does a lot less efficiently. X is > pretty much the best thin client technology around. Why would you > want metaframe? I don't know really you tell me. (please) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 'sudo su' Permission denied
Q. Gong said: > (root) # su > su: Permission denied not sure what system your using but for me, debian 3.0, redhat 7.3, suse 8.0, solaris 7 and freebsd 4.6.2 all work fine if I do su as root it just gives me another shell(if i logout, I'm still root) nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Galeon snapshot problems
Hello!
I have been trying to run galeon-snapshot now for a while.
It just segfaults on me.
These are the final lines when I do a strace.
open("/usr/lib/mozilla-snapshot/components/libnecko.so", O_RDONLY) = 17
read(17, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0p\22\1\000"...,
1024) = 1024
fstat64(17, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=801468, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 804892, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 17, 0) =
0x41354000
mprotect(0x4141, 34844, PROT_NONE) = 0
old_mmap(0x4141, 36864, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED,
17, 0xbb000) = 0x4141
close(17) = 0
access("/home/nisse/.galeon-snapshot2/mozilla", F_OK) = 0
stat64("/home/nisse/.galeon-snapshot2/mozilla", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0700,
st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
access("/home/nisse/.galeon-snapshot2/mozilla/galeon", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT
(No such file or directory)
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
write(3, "\33\2\2\0\0\0\0\0 \0\2\0\0\0\0\0+\0\1\0", 20) = 20
read(3, "\1\1.\0\0\0\0\0\16\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 32)
= 32
fork() = 1619
wait4(1619, [WIFEXITED(s) && WEXITSTATUS(s) == 0], 0, NULL) = 1619
--- SIGCHLD (Child exited) ---
sigreturn() = ? (mask now [SEGV RTMIN])
_exit(1)= ?
This error occurs if I alreade have the file there
access("/home/nisse/.galeon-snapshot2/mozilla/galeon", F_OK) = 0
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
write(3, "\33\2\2\0\0\0\0\0 \0\2\0\0\0\0\0+\0\1\0", 20) = 20
read(3, "\1\1.\0\0\0\0\0\16\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 32)
= 32
fork() = 1785
Whats wrong??
/nisse
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Re: Dumb terminals possible with i386 Debian
On 0, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Suppose I wanted to set up some kiosks for web browsing, solitaire, > > >> etc (just generic users). I can envision three scenarios: > > You knownot too long ago a friend of mine (Windows SysAdmin) > showed me a really cool setup. He had Windows 2000 Server in > one town and in another town he had a conference room full of monitors > and these really little boxes (very little boxes with only monitor, keyboard, > mouse, & power jacks) that he would insert an ATM like card into and > they would show a Windows virtual desktop on all these monitors > connecting over broadband to the main server..I believe he was running > Citrix Metaframe. I have to find out about this hardware. I recall > something like "smart card". Metaframe still requires a local CPU to handle display stuff. You can't route VGA signals over ATM. > Thin client technologyisn't that what you are talking about? > > I have always wondered.why can't Linux (especially Debian Linux) > do the same thing Citrix is doing? Citrix essentially does what X does a lot less efficiently. X is pretty much the best thin client technology around. Why would you want metaframe? Tom -- Tom Cook Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide When you go to the sysadmin's office in the afternoon, and all is deathly quiet, there are three possibilities: 1) Something has gone wrong, and they are all trying to fix it. 2) Something has gone badly wrong, and they have all left the country. 3) Something has gone very badly wrong, and you're missing happy hour. Get my GPG public key: https://pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au/~tkcook/tom.cook-at-adelaide.edu.au msg08356/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: "sudo su" Permission denied
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What does this command output say for you? It lists the commands you > can run. Don't report anything to the list that reveals anything > sensitive about your site. Just read it yourself and make sure the > output makes sense. > > sudo -l In the output there is one line "(root) /bin/su". I can use "sudo su otheruser" to swith to other users, but not to root. One thing may be related. (root) # su su: Permission denied That perhaps means you are already super user. It makes no sense to swith to root. Is it right? If it is right, the command "sudo su" has the same problem. Qian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backup Script - tar vs rsync
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 22 October 2002 3:12 am, Alvin Oga wrote: > rsync .> possible bad stuff > - if the master erased foo.txt, the backup will also be erased Not if you use the --backup --backup-dir options. In fact I use these to create an incremental backup type of solution. The normal backup is just disk to disk to give me pretty quick recovery in the face of disaster or disk failure, and the other to then create for (for instance) my home directory daily snapshots of whats changed. - -- Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9tPA4uFHxcV2FFoIRAocbAJ9SF/SZm0pfc0SpLke5loXI2lDO7wCfQqWF P7r7OivFSy+Pr5nWNgxrw7Q= =4QB8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: F*****g locales ....
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 15:07, Andrew Fowler wrote:
> I live in Germany and would like to use German standards (e.g for date
> formating) as well as have all German, French, Spanish and the Euro
> symbols at my disposal (both in X and on terminal). I wish to retain
> English (British version if poss.) as the default system language
> though.
>
> I've figured so far that I should use ISO-8859-15 (or Unicode .. is that
> available) char sets.
>
> Trying to reconfigure the system using dpkg-reconfigure locales just
> generates locales but does nothing more (doesn't seem to set them up for
> use). This morning I found a reference to localedef and tried that with
> en_GB@ISO-8859-15 and set it up which resulted in a mess: now even a
> simple "ls" in an xterm results in a weird mix of characters - more or
> less incomprehensible
>
>
> Anyway .. has anybody succeeded in such a situation - what's the answer
> ? Otherwise, does anybody know of good documentation which explains the
> how and why behind all this stuff ??
You just need to set a few environment variables accordingly.
LANG="en_GB@iso-8859-15"
LC_CTYPE="de_DE@iso-8859-15"
export LANG LC_CTYPE
See 'man locale' for a list and description of other variables. Just run
`locale' to see your current settings.
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Re: Dumb terminals possible with i386 Debian
> >> Suppose I wanted to set up some kiosks for web browsing, solitaire, > >> etc (just generic users). I can envision three scenarios: You knownot too long ago a friend of mine (Windows SysAdmin) showed me a really cool setup. He had Windows 2000 Server in one town and in another town he had a conference room full of monitors and these really little boxes (very little boxes with only monitor, keyboard, mouse, & power jacks) that he would insert an ATM like card into and they would show a Windows virtual desktop on all these monitors connecting over broadband to the main server..I believe he was running Citrix Metaframe. I have to find out about this hardware. I recall something like "smart card". Thin client technologyisn't that what you are talking about? I have always wondered.why can't Linux (especially Debian Linux) do the same thing Citrix is doing? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Permissions for a FAT partition
Here is info that I got when I tried to solve the same problem. (Credits go to them.) Yuhanes Only root can write to mounted a DOS drive Question: Squash at 7 tomorrow is good. If you have time, I have a Linux question... I have my windows drives mounted and the only way I can write to them is if I am root. So I tried to remedy this by changing the group they belong to and adding myself to that group. I created a group called windrive and assigned that as the group ID on the drive. When I do ls -l, I get this: kturner@mems:/mnt$ ls -l total 24 drwxr-xr-x 18 root windrive 8192 Dec 31 1969 c drwxr-xr-x 22 root windrive16384 Dec 31 1969 data Which as I understand it, means root can read, write and execute, but the group windrive can only read and exeute. So I logged in as root and tried chmod g+w ./c which I thought should give the group permission to write on c. It does not give errors, but it also doesn't change the permissions. When I do ls -l again I still get the same permisssions mems:/mnt# ls -l total 24 drwxr-xr-x 18 root windrive 8192 Dec 31 1969 c drwxr-xr-x 22 root windrive16384 Dec 31 1969 data Any suggestions? -Kevin Answer: Yeah, this is a common problem. It is related to the fact that FAT filesystems really don't have permissions. The way that linux handles this is that when you mount a FAT drive, all the files are given the _same_ file permissions at mount time. Furthermore, once mounted, these permissions can't be modified. The default permissions that mount will use for FAT partitions is "rwxr-xr-x". To change this, you can add an option "umask=" in the fstab file. For example, on my computer, I use: /dev/hda1 /mnt/c vfatdefaults,umask= 0 0 The argument to umask is and octal number. To understand what this number means, you have to understand how file permissions actually work in unix. The way file permissions are stored on the disk is as a 9-bit binary number. The best way to show this is with examples. File permission are commonly represented in three ways: rwxr-xr-x - human readable 01101 - binary number 7 5 5- 3 octal numbers The last one is the most important. If you read the manpage for chmod, you will notice that you can specify the desired permissions using and octal number. Examples: gsteele@atlas:~$ chmod 0755 foo gsteele@atlas:~$ ls -l foo -rwxr-xr-x1 gsteele gsteele 1123166 Mar 27 11:42 foo* gsteele@atlas:~$ chmod 0766 foo gsteele@atlas:~$ ls -l foo -rwxrw-rw-1 gsteele gsteele 1123166 Mar 27 11:42 foo* gsteele@atlas:~$ chmod 0777 foo gsteele@atlas:~$ ls -l foo -rwxrwxrwx1 gsteele gsteele 1123166 Mar 27 11:42 foo* (Note: the first number is related to "special file permissions". You should always leave this number as 0. You can read about these here: http://www.lns.cornell.edu/public/COMP/info/fileutils/fileutils_3.html#SEC4) Now, umask is like the binary NOT of the file permissions you want. For example: rwxr-xr-x - desired file permissions 01101 - binary file permissions 10010 - umask 0 2 2- octal umask So, for example, in my fstab file, I use umask=, so that the permissions on my dos drive are rwxrwxrwx. If you wanted the permissions on the dos drive to be rwxrwxr-x, you would set umask=0002. You can also change the group and the owner of the FAT partition files using the options uid=value,gid=value in the fstab file, where the values are the user id number and group id number. The uid numbers for users are listed in the file /etc/passwd, and the gid numbers are listed in the file /etc/group: in /etc/passwd: gsteele:x:1001:1001:Gary Steele,13-2033,3-4810,:/home/gsteele:/bin/bash || uiddefault gid for user gsteele in /etc/group: gsteele:x:1001: | gid for group gsteele This should sort out any problems. Cheers, Gary. Rich schrieb: Howdy all, I want to change the default permissions of files in a FAT partition. I understand that FAT file systems have no concept of permission or ownership. When I mount the partition ownership is set to root and permissions are set to 755. This means that only root can write to it. I'd like it to be writable by ordinary users. I've tried fiddling the permissions of the mount point, and options to the mount command, but have had no luck. Anyone know how to make my FAT partition writable? thanks, Rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Permissions for a FAT partition
on Mon, Oct 21, 2002, Rich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Howdy all, > > I want to change the default permissions of files in a FAT partition. > I understand that FAT file systems have no concept of permission or > ownership. When I mount the partition ownership is set to root and > permissions are set to 755. This means that only root can write to it. > I'd like it to be writable by ordinary users. > I've tried fiddling the permissions of the mount point, and options to > the mount command, but have had no luck. Anyone know how to make my > FAT partition writable? My suggestion: - Create a 'fatuser' group, or equivalent. Add your user to this. This group will have write permissions for vfat partitions. - man mount. Note mount options for fat & vfat. I use the following options to modify the the default permissions and umask for my Samba-mounted shares at work: uid=1000,auto,gid=smbuser,fmask=0640,dmask=075 ...the arguments for vfat are similar, though may differ. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? KQED FM: The bright spot on the dial: http://www.kqed.org/fm/ msg09380/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 09:23, Shyamal Prasad wrote: > "rjshaw" == rjshaw writes: > > rjshaw> Hi all, I've been using fvwm2, and it has tons of > rjshaw> configuration options, which i find hard to master. > > rjshaw> What are some good window managers that are even more > rjshaw> light weight, have less options (simpler to configure), > rjshaw> and work well? > > I can recommend xfce which I switched to recently to get out of > GNOME/KDE hell. sawfish is also pretty good, but I'm Lisp partial, and > sawfish got me started on GNOME, so maybe that is a point against > it. ;-) > > xfce has a GNOME compatibility mode that might be useful to some. I *could* see xfce being a viable option, except that when I ran it, it just didn't look, well, all that good. The icons looked like they were drawn by someone that *had to put something there* to identify the buttons, and there was a lot of *reinventing the wheel* with applications that were essentially the same as existing generic X applications. My understanding is that CDE, on which I had been told it was based, has been effectively sidelined in favour of KDE and Gnome. My *(very) personal* opinion is that if you want to run an entire separate reimplementation of basic software with no identifiable enhancements, install OpenWindows, which is very fast and surprisingly capable. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Trouble ripping from CDs.
> I've had problems with CD drives and ide-scsi - one would not mount CDs > unless dma was turned off and my burner eats a lot of cpu unless dma is > turned on. > Well I guess I'd try `hdparm -u0 -d1 /dev/hdc` but I'm not too > optimistic at this point. :) Sorry I couldn't help. If you have > another OS on this machine, does the drive rip and burn ok there? If > not, I would probably start looking at the ide cable and then the drive > and maybe try swapping stuff out. Okay, tried that and it still won't rip. I forgot to mention that the drive works fine with M$ XP, so it's not a hardware issue. Actually, this is the second cdrw that's given me the same problems. Thanks. -- Stephen W. Juranich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electrical Engineering http://students.washington.edu/sjuranic University of Washingtonhttp://ssli.ee.washington.edu/ssli -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
Kevin Coyner wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 03:26:57PM -0400, jeff wrote.. > > > http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ > > > > and a nice screenshot of my current desktop: > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~jmr71769/screenshot.jpg > > > > this is a complete minimalist one liner: > > > > apt-get install fluxbox xterm mozilla xmms xchat gaim xserver-xfree86 > > gpm xbase-clients xfonts-100dpi xfonts-base xscreesaver linuxlogo xpenguins > > > > I've tried both blackbox and fluxbox and like them both, but for now am > using xfce for one simple reason: I have dual monitors and use > Xinerama, and BB and FB bring up new window/apps/dialog boxes right > between the two screens, whereas xfce doesn't. I think I'd go back to > FB if I could get that problem solved. fvwm2 has settings to resist splitting windows across screens. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: terminal colors
Brian Fallik wrote: > > Hi. I'm having problems getting colors to appear in my BASH prompt in Woody > (3.0). This is on a fresh install I just finished today. I've made very > few changes to the system so far... Are you setting ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile in the right user account? You may have a local account, and config files in the remote account under the same name. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: inittab and graphical login
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 09:28, Shyamal Prasad wrote: > "Paul" == Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Paul> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 11:47:42AM +0530, Sandip P Deshmukh > Paul> wrote: > >> id:2:initdefault: > >> > >> i thought with this, i will get a text login. but i always > >> end-up in gdm!! > > Paul> No, no. You're thinking Red Hat runlevels.[1] > > >> how do i stop this? i will like to have text login prompt. > > Paul> Go into /etc/rc2.d and mv S99gdm K99gdm and this should > Paul> prevent gdm from starting up. > > IMHO this is a better way (and more correct) than apt-removing gdm. > > You should do the same for S99kdm and S99xdm if you have them. This > way you can always change your runlevel to 2 for text logins, and use > the others for normal X logins if you ever want to. If you remove gdm > you lose that option. > > BTW, in Debian all multi-user run levels are set up to be the same by > default. You are supposed to customize them as you need. You should > read the policy manual if you are interested in details: > > http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ > > Cheers! > Shyamal If you are going to get into shuffling around these items, I would suspect that long-term package management considerations *might* be better respected if you use update-rc.d(8) to make your changes, rather than just diving in and renaming files that are *managed* by dpkg. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Make Debian better (Re: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot)
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:07:48 +0200 Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - broken home/end keys in bash in xterm (even in Woody) Sounds like a possible reason to use RXVT... never noticed that it's broken in xterm as I've been using RXVT since before I moved to Debian. However, I did just try it on my (mostly) Sarge system and Home and End work just fine in xterm *shrug* -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: apache query
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Randy Orrison wrote: (snip) > Note that in /etc/apache/httpd.conf just after the /doc/ alias line is: > > order deny,allow > deny from all > allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews > (snip) Not in httpd.conf nor in the srm.conf after the alias line, but in my access.conf a couple of years ago I did comment out a Directory section for /usr/doc that had "order allow,deny" then "allow from all". Maybe the problem is that my apache installation is based on an old version of the default configuration files that have been not quite upgraded properly at some stage by the package upgrade scripts, then? I sure didn't have that nice little default Location section that you seem to - indeed, both times, I only noticed the doc stuff through seeing the logs of search engines indexing it! -- Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exim configuration
For future reference read the Linux Network Administrator's Guide http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag2/index.html for everything you wanted to know about how Linux/Unix OSs look at email. For this time though - Yes your machine could send mail directly. In that case, you wouldn't need a smarthost. But some machines are not connected 24/7. My home machines get shut down when they are not in use. In my case I prefer to use a smarthost to deliver mail for me. A smarthost _is_ connected 24/7 and will attempt to resend mails if it can't connect the first time. Does that help? dar On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Sandip P Deshmukh wrote: > well, here is what i discovered wrt questions shyamal had asked. > > i am yet to understand the term smtp smart host. > > the way i look at it is, i am connected to the net. i have dns servers > resolving hostnames for me. do i still need something else *on some > other machine* to send mails? > > anyway, here are answers: > > so far as smarthost is concerned, i do not know yet! but frankly, i > think a machine with the net access and dns access should be in a > position to send e-mails independent of other machines (read - > smarthost). of course, correct me if i am wrong > > yes. i can do dns lookup from my machine. dig throws back some numbers - > but doesnt report an error. dig -t A returned some nice looking data. so > dns lookup seems not to be a problem. by the way, do not all machines > who have a dns server entry have dns lookup ability? > > so, some solution on this? > > thanx again > > -sandip > > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trouble ripping from CDs.
Oh yeah. Forgot to mention: Ripping/burning works fine under M$ XP. -- Stephen W. Juranich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electrical Engineering http://students.washington.edu/sjuranic University of Washingtonhttp://ssli.ee.washington.edu/ssli -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dumb terminals possible with i386 Debian
Kent West wrote: Try KDE wrote: Kent West wrote: Suppose I wanted to set up some kiosks for web browsing, solitaire, etc (just generic users). I can envision three scenarios: 3) one server and the rest of the workstations are dumb terminals, having keyboard, mouse, and monitor connected to the server via serial/firewire/usb/whatever. I know the first two are possible. But I'd really like to pursue the third option. Is it possible? Practical? No matter how dumb the terminal is, it has to act as a *local* X server. Meaning, it has more or less a local CPU for that purpose. Right. But on a single station running Debian, I can start multiple X sessions (startx, startx -- :1, startx -- :2, etc). Seems like there'd be a way to route those displays to separate keyboard/mice/monitor setups, providing the physical connections are possible. For example, I can envision one CPU with two video cards, and two USB mice and two USB keyboards (or two serial mice, etc). Just re-pipe the stdio/stdout etc (or somesuch - I'm really hazy on how it'd be done exactly). The problem that I see here is that multiple video cards would quickly get unwieldy. However, if there were an inexpensive method to route video over firewire or a serial connection, I can see neat possibilities. But not having the experience or knowledge, I may just be smoking crack. Kent Take a peek at the article on this site: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue27/kaszeta.html While this mainly describes using XDM, I don't see why you couldn't use KDM or GDM if you wished. I used this "example" heavily to get XDMCP working on my home LAN as an experiment. It seems to me you might be able to setup something similar with TightVNC too, but I have never done that. -Don Spoon- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: inittab and graphical login
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 08:28:54AM -0500, Shyamal Prasad wrote: > "Paul" == Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Paul> Go into /etc/rc2.d and mv S99gdm K99gdm and this should > Paul> prevent gdm from starting up. > > IMHO this is a better way (and more correct) than apt-removing gdm. update-rc.d -f gdm remove removes all the gdm links in the /etc/rc.d/ directories. update-rc.d also lets you set different priorities for different runlevels with a single command. -- _ -o) Lance Simmons /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
booting to console
How can I boot to the console? I am stuck in a loop at the graphical login screen due to a faulty XF86Config file (I think!) Phil Reardon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot
> -Original Message- > From: Andrew Perrin [mailto:clists@;perrin.socsci.unc.edu] > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:40 AM > To: Jamin W.Collins > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot > > > I agree entirely. And I also think that most of the added > benefit of linux > over windows is not available if you just run some office > suite under X > instead of under windows. I use linux exclusively because the time it > took me to learn the real tools -- grep, wc, emacs, perl, latex, bash, > etc. -- has paid off in spades when it comes to day-to-day > efficiency. But > that logic is obscured when you just use, say, koffice under > X instead of > msoffice under windows. > I hear you -- and I agree entirely. But combining the ease of use of a GUI with the ease of use of power tools like the ones you describe is one of the things that attracts me to Linux most of all, and I still haven't figured out a way to get my Intense3D video card to be recognized correctly by XFree86. :( While emacs is cool, I use an IDE to do my development and also need a working X server to test -- I'm confined to working in Windows at the moment, unless I can somehow justify a different video card from the IT dept... Erik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to mark bad blocks without formatting
J.S.Sahambi said: > On my machine I have a 40 GB hard disk. I executed badblocks command on > one (/dev/hda8) of the partitions and it found two bad blocks. > > How do I know if these blocks have been used by any file or not? > > And how to mark these bad blocks without formatting the partition so > that they are not used by the system? > > I am using 2.4.19 and all parititions are ext3. I haven't used ext3 but I hear its compadible with ext2, could you run e2fsck -c ? nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to mark bad blocks without formatting
On my machine I have a 40 GB hard disk. I executed badblocks command on one (/dev/hda8) of the partitions and it found two bad blocks. How do I know if these blocks have been used by any file or not? And how to mark these bad blocks without formatting the partition so that they are not used by the system? I am using 2.4.19 and all parititions are ext3. Thanks J S Sahambi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: booting to console
Phil Reardon wrote: > > How can I boot to the console? I am stuck in a loop at the graphical login > screen due to a faulty XF86Config file (I think!) ctrl-alt F1 su root /etc/init.d/xdm stop Substitute xdm for any other login manager if needed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: booting to console
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:12:30AM -0600, Phil Reardon wrote: > How can I boot to the console? I am stuck in a loop at the graphical login > screen due to a faulty XF86Config file (I think!) Please read the archives. We *just* finished this one earlier tonight. -- Baloo msg08334/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Missing packages on CD?
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 11:37:13AM -0300, Victor Munoz wrote: >Hi. I downloaded CD images of woody last month, to take them home and > install new packages as needed. I used jigdo. I also use woody at my > office, where I install via internet connection. This weekend I noticed > there are three packages that don't seem to be in my CDs, but which are > part of the distribution of course: font3d, blender and povray. They don't > appear with dselect, or with something like: find /cdrom -name > '*pov*'. Could this be some problem with the jigdo files? Has anyone > noticed something like this. Those three packages are in non-Free which is Not Part Of Debian(tm), tho Debian does package them and put them up on it's mirrors. I'm not sure where they fit on the CDs tho. Do you have 7 CDs? -rob msg08333/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Trouble ripping from CDs.
> Did you try '-D0,0,0' instead ? Not sure if it makes any difference. No difference. > 'hdparm /dev/hdX' to check the state. > hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX to turn dma on '-d0' to turn it off. Can you > mount and read data CDs on this drive without problem? ...just > curious. Well, I toggled the using_dma flag, but this is a cdrw, so it's using scsi emulation. I thought the point was that /dev/hdc should go away. Anyway here's the output of hdparm on the master and slave: coffee (~) % hdparm /dev/hdc /dev/hdc: HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Input/output error IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq= 1 (on) using_dma= 0 (off) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) BLKRAGET failed: Input/output error HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument coffee (~) % hdparm /dev/hdd /dev/hdd: HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Input/output error IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq= 1 (on) using_dma= 0 (off) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) BLKRAGET failed: Input/output error HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument Should I be worried about those error messages? The dvd drive (/dev/hdd) gives me the same errors, but it works fine. BTW, mounting/reading data cds works just fine. No errors or anything. I can also play music cds directly to the analog output with no problems. More suggestions? -- Stephen W. Juranich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electrical Engineering http://students.washington.edu/sjuranic University of Washingtonhttp://ssli.ee.washington.edu/ssli -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Bounce" Message
Tim Grogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-21 21:04:48 -0700]: > I just recently (today) got a notice that I've been used as an open > relay. I've checked with 4-5 web open relay checkers and 1 telnet > relay checker and all say I'm clean. In my mail log I keep getting > these bounce messages with @list.debian appended coming from > murphy.debian.org. Am I somehow relaying for this system. I really > don't want my system used for some spammer :( Thanks for checking your system over after getting the notice. If everyone was so diligent we would have less of a spam problem. I am going to make a guess here. Probably you received a notice from a virus checker that that a message with your from address contained a virus. Those are common. What someone thought was that they would check and send a note back to the sender of the message so they could clean their system. The problem is that most viruses today send mail with spoofed from addresses. Therefore the actual sender of those messages is not available but only the spoof address. As a spoof this is only causing noise and concern to you which is not warranted. The likelyhood in the case above is that your address is either in someone's address book or an email message from you is in their email folder. They have a virus which extracted that address and sent mail out spoofed from various addresses available. You were probably just one of many spoofed addresses. As far as your "bounce" notices in the logs those are just how the list manage can track which addresses are really bouncing back. You have probably always had those but just did not see them until you went to check. Those are probably normal if it is just the from address of the message. If I am guessing right here it does not mean you are bouncing messages or receiving bounce messages. Here is an example from me. One from my log and one from a header in a list message. This is a postfix header and yours will look different if you use another MTA like exim and will have different hostnames. Oct 20 04:04:28 joseki postfix/qmgr[20421]: 595FF14B07: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=4362 (queue active) Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is in my header. It says the list I am subscribed to as well as the address I used to subscribe to it. If that message bounces back to the list it can tell where the message was sent. That is invaluable in many cases. Also, if I need to unsubscribe then in the messages sent to me I can always tell exactly what address I used to subscribe to the list. There are some guesses made with little information here so take this with a grain of salt. But I hope that helps and is actually what you are seeing. Bob msg08331/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot
I did a quick check on the xfree86 site. It doesn't look like the intense3d is supported. The one thing you can do to make sure that installing Linux is easy is to make sure all your hardware is fully supported. dar On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Price, Erik wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrew Perrin [mailto:clists@;perrin.socsci.unc.edu] > > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:40 AM > > To: Jamin W.Collins > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot > > > > > > I agree entirely. And I also think that most of the added > > benefit of linux > > over windows is not available if you just run some office > > suite under X > > instead of under windows. I use linux exclusively because the time it > > took me to learn the real tools -- grep, wc, emacs, perl, latex, bash, > > etc. -- has paid off in spades when it comes to day-to-day > > efficiency. But > > that logic is obscured when you just use, say, koffice under > > X instead of > > msoffice under windows. > > > > I hear you -- and I agree entirely. But combining the ease of use of a GUI with the >ease of use of power tools like the ones you describe is one of the things that >attracts me to Linux most of all, and I still haven't figured out a way to get my >Intense3D video card to be recognized correctly by XFree86. :( While emacs is cool, >I use an IDE to do my development and also need a working X server to test -- I'm >confined to working in Windows at the moment, unless I can somehow justify a >different video card from the IT dept... > > > > Erik > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recovering /var, especially /var/lib/dpkg
Dan Christensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-21 23:23:25 -0400]: > Luckily, before running each backup I save the output of "dpkg -l" in > /root, so I have a list of all installed packages and what version is > installed. I would ignore the versions unless you really care about something in particular and just use the list of versions installed. > Is it possible to use this information to recreate the data dpkg needs > to operate? What exactly is needed? I would compare the list with a list of what you just installed, diff them, and install the as yet uninstalled packages. > [I realize that I could just reinstall all the packages from scratch. > But that would entail answering lots of debconf questions, and doing a > lot of merging of conffiles since many packages will have been updated > since the laptop was lost. (It was a while ago and I follow testing.) > So I'm hoping to avoid a reinstall.] > > After getting dpkg working, are there any suggestions about how to > restore the other parts of /var? Hmm... You rebuilt the machine from backup and therefore dpkg is not functional at this time? > Thanks for any advice. Please cc me on replies. Probably what I would do is this. This is me and you will just have to take the advice at face value and work with it. I would install a minimal Debian system from scratch. This ensures a working dpkg. Then I would restore /etc from backup which contains all of the configuration files and personality of the previous system. Also restore /usr/local and /home and anything you may have installed elsewhere such as /opt. Then I would install all of the packages that I was missing. After doing the reinstall I would 'diff -ru /backup/etc /etc' and possibly reset anything that I incorrectly answered during the interactive install, possibly by restoring /etc again to correct those files. Assuming that the backup of those files was good to begin with. This might be a good time to do spring cleaning. Reboot. The system should boot and look pretty close to your old system. A package which is installed that sees a configuration file already present in /etc _should_ avoid asking you questions and just use that configuration file. However, each package will have varying quality there and many will still ask you a zillion questions all over again. (Some like am-utils will ask a bunch of questions which you must answer, then after asking see the previous configuration file and only then give you the opportunity to use the previous file discarding the answers you were forced to answer but did not need to. Sigh.) In general Debian packages are way to chatty and ask way too many questions during an install. You just have to put up with it in many cases. If you plan to reset /etc after doing all of the installs again then what you answer probably won't matter since they will get overwritten. Again, this is what I would do. YMMV. Good luck! Alternatively you could do this just to get a good copy of /var which matches what is on your system. Back that up. Then restore the old everything else with the new /var onto your system. If you had a spare disk so as not to undo your present restore that would seem feasible. Bob msg08329/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: booting to console
Try Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to another console session. Then apt-get remove xdm - or try to get it installed correctly. dar On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Phil Reardon wrote: > How can I boot to the console? I am stuck in a loop at the graphical login > screen due to a faulty XF86Config file (I think!) > > Phil Reardon > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exim configuration
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 08:08:20PM +0530, Sandip P Deshmukh wrote: | i am yet to understand the term smtp smart host. Ok, here's the deal : a "smarhost" is a host that is smart. Your host is dumb -- IOW it doesn't know how to deliver mail to the recipient. All it knows is that some other machine (the "smarthost") knows how to do it. So your machine asks the smarhost to please deliver the message for you. Whether or not to use a smarthost or to make your own host smart is a choice. The "typical home user" will use a smarthost. The smarthost is the host you told Outlook or Netscape (or whatever) to use as the outgoing server. If you use a smarthost, then your machine's config can be fairly simple _and_ you won't need to be connected for extended periods of time to ensure the mail is delivered (eg if the receipient's system is down temporarily). HTH, -D -- I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13 http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/ msg08327/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Missing packages on CD?
Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 11:37:13AM -0300, Victor Munoz wrote: I'm not sure where they fit on the CDs tho. Do you have 7 CDs? -rob Non-free isn't on the cds at all. You couldn't distribute the cds if non-free was there (well at least probably not for money)... ...Non-free software strikes again... Bijan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Make Debian better (Re: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot)
Hi, On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:23:26PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:07:48AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > - broken home/end keys in bash in xterm (even in Woody) > > Say, is this the "application mode" thing? Cf. #133258. I don't know, but if it isn't, adding this to /etc/inputrc helped me a lot. OTOH, if libreadline should put the keypad in application mode but doesn't, then please consider this just a dirty hack. # Add PC movement keys $if term=xterm "\e[5~": backward-word "\e[6~": forward-word "\e[H": beginning-of-line "\e[F": end-of-line $endif Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info msg08325/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: terminal colors
You can use ANSI escape sequences. For instance, in my .bash_profile my prompt is defined as: PS1="\[\033[1;33m\][\033[0m\]\[\033[1;32m\]\u\[\033[0m\]\[\033[1;34m\]@\[\033[0m\]\[\033[1;32m\]\h\[\033[0m\]:\w\[\033[1;33m\]]\033[0m\]\$ " More information can be found here: http://www.dreaming.org/~giles/bashprompt/howto/c341.html -t On a remote moon of Endor, Brian Fallik's voice echoed: > Hi. I'm having problems getting colors to appear in my BASH prompt in Woody > (3.0). This is on a fresh install I just finished today. I've made very > few changes to the system so far. > > When I ssh (protocol v2) into my debian server, the prompt is monochrome. > I've tried to export the TERM variable several times using xterm-color, > linux, xterm-debian, and xtermc in .bashrc and .bash_profile. I've also > tried these same settings in the terminal-type string setting in putty. > Nothing works. > > However, once I'm ssh'ed into the server, if I su to the same account the > bash prompt is in color. echo $TERM produces the same output (the putty > setting) in both cases. > > Any suggestion on how to fix this? I've scoured google, google groups, and > debianhelp.org to no avail. What are other good resources I can use to > resolve this? > > I don't subscribe to this list so please copy me directly on any replies. > > Thanks, > brian > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- GPG fingerprint = 3FC5 2869 194C EE95 7A50 D482 5031 F8E7 E3C6 637C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which half are you in?
On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 14:29, dave mallery wrote: > those who have done an rm -R * in root > and those who have not done it yet. I am in the second half. I've never done rm -r anywhere important. I have however done a mkfs on a partition that was supposed to be part of a Disksuite stripeset. Does that count? -- Dave Carrigan Seattle, WA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.rudedog.org/ | ICQ:161669680 UNIX-Apache-Perl-Linux-Firewalls-LDAP-C-C++-DNS-PalmOS-PostgreSQL-MySQL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
-- David Bridges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Monday, 21 October 2002, 12:09 AM -0500): > > What are some good window managers that are even more light weight, > > have less options (simpler to configure), and work well? > > I've found blackbox to be light weight, flexible, and very fast. > > > I'm into functionality more than flashness. > > Hear hear! I've been on blackbox for about a year now, and have no complaints. If there is functionality you want that is missing, it's incredibly easy and fast to recompile it with any of a number of patches available for it on sourceforge. If you still cannot find the options you need, a number of derivatives exist that may offer them yet still retain most of the efficiency you'll find on blackbox (fluxbox and openbox are two of these). In addition, while a default install is not flashy, it is capable of producing a very nice looking desktop. > > A large desktop that uses the screen as a window onto it would be useful. I'm not sure what you mean by this. > > A pop-up menu to select applications, and icons for applications would > > be useful, but i don't mind editing the config file for this capability. > > Blackbox doesn't have icons on the desktop by default, but if you really > want them you can run gmc and it will give them to you. Personally I > just setup keyboard combinations with bbkeys to run the applications > that I want. There is also an application called bbconf that makes > customizing bb a breeze. Blackbox has two root menus, one accessed by button 3 (right mouse) that has applications and can be easily customized, and one by button 2 (middle mouse or mouse wheel) that dipslays current workspaces and iconified applications. I personally use ROX to provide a pinboard for icons (it also manages my root window image). I've heard dfm also works nicely. ROX + blackbox makes for a very nice looking, fast, efficient desktop. > > Is anything extra needed to run a gnome or kde application? > > Nope as long as you have the applications and libs that are required you > should be set. If you run kde apps regularly (i.e. every session), I'd add the line: kdeinit & to your .xinitrc -- this speeds up the loading of KDE apps significantly. -- Matthew Weier O'Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mutt/locale question: charset=unknown-8bit causing problems for some MUAs?
I've got a correspondent who's reporting problems reading mail I'm sending, because, he claims, of mutt's Content-Type encoding: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit > > Could you possibly specify a correct character set on your emails; > Outlook/Exchange, for once, does something reasonable with unknown > ones, see below. > > > Content-Disposition: inline > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > unknown-8bit is the likely result of sending 8 bit text without > specifying a character set (as us-ascii, the default, is 7 bit); > you may be just be sending content-transfer-encoding: 8 bit, or you > may be sending actual 8 bit characters. (It could be that the > list server requires a character set for MIME, or assumes that > quoted-printable implies non-ASCII.) The fault, for once, is not > with Outlook or Exchange. I suspect a locale issue, unless, of course, the fault really *is* with Outlook/Exchage. Current results for 'locale': $ locale LANG=POSIX LC_CTYPE="POSIX" LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" LC_TIME="POSIX" LC_COLLATE="POSIX" LC_MONETARY="POSIX" LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" LC_PAPER="POSIX" LC_NAME="POSIX" LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" LC_ALL= Any mail / content-type gurus out there know what's going on, whose mailer's puking on this, and/or what's wrong with my locale &/or mutt settings? Thanks. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? NextDraft: Your Dinner Party Prep: http://www.nextdraft.com/ msg08321/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Trouble ripping from CDs.
> does cdda2wav have the same problem? cdda2wav with the -paranoia flag spits out stuff that looks like this: coffee (tmp)$ cdda2wav -t 3 -D /dev/sg0 -paranoia Type: ROM, Vendor '' Model '40X12X48 CD-RW ' Revision '1.05' MMC+CDDA 724992 bytes buffer memory requested, 4 buffers, 75 sectors Read TOC CD Text failed (probably not supported). #Cdda2wav version 1.11a34_linux_2.4.19_i686_i686, real time sched., soundcard, libparanoia support AUDIOtrack pre-emphasis copy-permitted tracktype channels 1- 1 no yes audio2 AUDIOtrack pre-emphasis copy-permitted tracktype channels 2- 2 no no audio2 AUDIOtrack pre-emphasis copy-permitted tracktype channels 3- 3 no yes audio2 AUDIOtrack pre-emphasis copy-permitted tracktype channels 4- 7 no no audio2 AUDIOtrack pre-emphasis copy-permitted tracktype channels 8- 9 no yes audio2 Table of Contents: total tracks:9, (total time 47:53.30) 1.( 5:44.27), 2.( 4:16.21), 3.( 5:33.57), 4.( 7:20.32), 5.( 5:09.12), 6.( 4:48.56), 7.( 4:45.48), 8.( 5:59.24), 9.( 4:13.53) Table of Contents: starting sectors 1.( 0), 2.( 25827), 3.( 45048), 4.( 70080), 5.( 103112), 6.( 126299), 7.( 147955), 8.( 169378), 9.( 196327), lead-out( 215355) CDINDEX discid: xDbgXZsUYMUFWB3DMYHdN8c9.gA- CDDB discid: 0x7f0b3709 CD-Text: not detected CD-Extra: not detected samplefile size will be 58875308 bytes. recording 333.7599 seconds stereo with 16 bits @ 44100.0 Hz ->'audio'... using lib paranoia for reading. percent_done: 0%cdda2wav: Input/output error. ReadCD MMC 12: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: BE 04 00 00 AF F8 00 00 43 10 00 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 04 00 00 00 00 0C 00 00 00 00 08 03 00 00 Sense Key: 0x4 Hardware Error, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x08 Qual 0x03 (logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 1.532s timeout 300s cdda2wav: Input/output error. ReadCD MMC 12: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: BE 04 00 00 B0 3B 00 00 4B 10 00 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 04 00 00 00 00 0C 00 00 00 00 08 03 00 00 Sense Key: 0x4 Hardware Error, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x08 Qual 0x03 (logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 1.319s timeout 300s cdda2wav: Input/output error. ReadCD MMC 12: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: BE 04 00 00 AF F8 00 00 44 10 00 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 04 00 00 00 00 0C 00 00 00 00 08 03 00 00 Sense Key: 0x4 Hardware Error, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x08 Qual 0x03 (logical unit communication crc error (ultra-dma/32)) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 1.037s timeout 300s cdda2wav: Input/output error. ReadCD MMC 12: scsi sendcmd: no error Removing the -paranoia flag still makes nothing happen, it just happens faster. ;) > Have you tried disabling/enabling DMA? Just guessing... Hope you get > it to work. Hmm. This sounds vaguely familiar, but I can't remember for sure what this means. How do I check and toggle the state? Thanks. -- Stephen W. Juranich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electrical Engineering http://students.washington.edu/sjuranic University of Washingtonhttp://ssli.ee.washington.edu/ssli -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Bounce" Message
I just recently (today) got a notice that I've been used as an open relay. I've checked with 4-5 web open relay checkers and 1 telnet relay checker and all say I'm clean. In my mail log I keep getting these bounce messages with @list.debian appended coming from murphy.debian.org. Am I somehow relaying for this system. I really don't want my system used for some spammer :( Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
uid in mounting nfs system
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Re: Dumb terminals possible with i386 Debian
Try KDE wrote: Kent West wrote: Suppose I wanted to set up some kiosks for web browsing, solitaire, etc (just generic users). I can envision three scenarios: 3) one server and the rest of the workstations are dumb terminals, having keyboard, mouse, and monitor connected to the server via serial/firewire/usb/whatever. I know the first two are possible. But I'd really like to pursue the third option. Is it possible? Practical? No matter how dumb the terminal is, it has to act as a *local* X server. Meaning, it has more or less a local CPU for that purpose. Right. But on a single station running Debian, I can start multiple X sessions (startx, startx -- :1, startx -- :2, etc). Seems like there'd be a way to route those displays to separate keyboard/mice/monitor setups, providing the physical connections are possible. For example, I can envision one CPU with two video cards, and two USB mice and two USB keyboards (or two serial mice, etc). Just re-pipe the stdio/stdout etc (or somesuch - I'm really hazy on how it'd be done exactly). The problem that I see here is that multiple video cards would quickly get unwieldy. However, if there were an inexpensive method to route video over firewire or a serial connection, I can see neat possibilities. But not having the experience or knowledge, I may just be smoking crack. Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which half are you in?
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 13:57, Paul Smith wrote: > %% Dave Carrigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > dc> On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 14:29, dave mallery wrote: > > >> those who have done an rm -R * in root and those who have not done > >> it yet. > > dc> I am in the second half. I've never done rm -r anywhere > dc> important. I have however done a mkfs on a partition that was > dc> supposed to be part of a Disksuite stripeset. Does that count? > > I've also never done rm -r on important data. > > But back in 1993 when I first started using Linux I was using dd on my > Sun to rawwrite Linux images onto floppy disks to take home, and I > accidentally put the dd output to /dev/sd0 instead of /dev/fd0 > ... goodbye, HD partitions. Hello, reinstall. > > Doh! :) > > -- > --- > Paul D. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools > "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist > --- >These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them. My closest was defragging my /home partition (it actually *did* need it - 37% of a 22 GB drive) and trying to play SVGA games on another console with Framebuffer running while the defrag was halfway along, dealing largely with one directory with a *few thousand* files amounting to 2/3rds of the drive - hung fully, and when rebooted involved *very significant* fscking to have any hope of having a mountable partition, with half the data lost and half of the rest in lost+found. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: terminal colors
I have been wondering the same exact thing. I think it is just thier way to discurage root logins. - Original Message - From: "Brian Fallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:49 PM Subject: terminal colors > Hi. I'm having problems getting colors to appear in my BASH prompt in Woody > (3.0). This is on a fresh install I just finished today. I've made very > few changes to the system so far. > > When I ssh (protocol v2) into my debian server, the prompt is monochrome. > I've tried to export the TERM variable several times using xterm-color, > linux, xterm-debian, and xtermc in .bashrc and .bash_profile. I've also > tried these same settings in the terminal-type string setting in putty. > Nothing works. > > However, once I'm ssh'ed into the server, if I su to the same account the > bash prompt is in color. echo $TERM produces the same output (the putty > setting) in both cases. > > Any suggestion on how to fix this? I've scoured google, google groups, and > debianhelp.org to no avail. What are other good resources I can use to > resolve this? > > I don't subscribe to this list so please copy me directly on any replies. > > Thanks, > brian > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
terminal colors
Hi. I'm having problems getting colors to appear in my BASH prompt in Woody (3.0). This is on a fresh install I just finished today. I've made very few changes to the system so far. When I ssh (protocol v2) into my debian server, the prompt is monochrome. I've tried to export the TERM variable several times using xterm-color, linux, xterm-debian, and xtermc in .bashrc and .bash_profile. I've also tried these same settings in the terminal-type string setting in putty. Nothing works. However, once I'm ssh'ed into the server, if I su to the same account the bash prompt is in color. echo $TERM produces the same output (the putty setting) in both cases. Any suggestion on how to fix this? I've scoured google, google groups, and debianhelp.org to no avail. What are other good resources I can use to resolve this? I don't subscribe to this list so please copy me directly on any replies. Thanks, brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dumb terminals possible with i386 Debian
Kent West wrote: Suppose I wanted to set up some kiosks for web browsing, solitaire, etc (just generic users). I can envision three scenarios: 1) full-blown workstations, each one with their own hard drives and OS setup, etc. 2) one server and the rest of the workstations are thin clients, having mobo/cpus, keyboards, mice, monitor 3) one server and the rest of the workstations are dumb terminals, having keyboard, mouse, and monitor connected to the server via serial/firewire/usb/whatever. I know the first two are possible. But I'd really like to pursue the third option. Is it possible? Practical? Thanks! Kent No matter how dumb the terminal is, it has to act as a *local* X server. Meaning, it has more or less a local CPU for that purpose. Whether you achieve it through a special terminal or a general PC , is another question. Sun makes this kind of terminal, but I doubt it ever work with a Linux host. On the other hand, if you want to use a low cost PC for a terminal, there is the Linux Terminal Server Project. More details here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ltsp -tk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing Digest::MD5 on Woody 3.0
>>nate said: >> >>how are you installing them? have you tried just >> >>apt-get install libdigest-md5-perl > > -nate, i wish there were words i could convey to express how FREEKIN, > HAPPY you (and debian) just made me I was not aware of the full power > of 'apt-get',... I was un-aware i could install perl mods and libs, etc, > like this, i better do some more reading,... and start with 'man > apt-get', damn cool,... 3 weeks with debian. yeah, thats one of the good things about debian, the massive amount of packages :) It's pretty rare that I need to go to a 3rd party source for a piece of software. > -well, this is the first time i've heard this, perl people push CPAN > (auto CPAN module) like it's the best thing since 'apt-get',... yeah, it is a good feature, and I think debian may be one of the only systems that depends so heavily upon perl for basic operations. I use it on other systems, and on debian 2.2 on some systems I needed a newer version of perl so I compiled/installed to /usr/local/perl and ran CPAN using the /usr/local/perl/bin/perl binary instead of the /usr/bin/perl binary .. > > -after two *&%$^ days of trying to work this problem out, i ran the > `apt-get' line you gave above then applied it to libwww-perl as well and > within 10 seconds all was installed without errors,... great isn't it :) seems a good deal of people just light up when they realize what apt-get is (and the package database that goes with it, apt-get by itself is just a basic tool, the massive package database is very key). > > - on a side note i did something stupid the other night, i don't know if > it will 'hurt' the system or not, it seems ok, but you never know. I > installed 'gdbm-1.8.1.tar.gz', in the 'traditional' way, (i.e, make, make > test, make install, etc,...) because this package was stating it didn't > see it, it needed it,...etc,... I have looked at /usr/lib/* and it looks > like it (gdbm), installed, and just made a sym link to any files that > were already there, is there anyway to 'correct' > this, ( without a fresh install), or should i not worry about it > and not ever do this kind of thing again,... most programs installed from source install to /usr/local. I would personally remove it(it may be the only thing installed in /usr/local) and install gdbm from the debian archives instead(libgdbmg1) makes for easier management in the long run. also, apt-cache if you haven't used it yet is very useful, as is packages.debian.org. at the bottom of this site is a search form to track files to their packages. I've never seen another utility like it if you are looking for a filename and don't know what package it's in put in the filename and out comes the results .. > > Thanks again, glad to help! nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Simpsons Trivia answers
OK, some of the responses I got...no correct responses. Dave Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote... > If I had to guess, I'd say Diamond Jim Brady, just because of the > name "Diamond Joe Quimby". But I don't think Diamond Jim was a > politician; he was more of a rich guy with "fingers in everybody's > pie" -type guy I think. Nope. It's actually three different Portland references in one. None, save one, are flattering. "Diamond" Joe Quimby is named after NW Quimby Street in Portland (the only relatively positive reference to Portland in this character), and the character himself is based off the Kennedy's and former Portland Police Chief "Diamond" Joe Purcell, who was bought out by racketter Jim Elkins. Elkins and Purcell had to take the stand in front of the US Senate Rackets Committee (RFK, JFK, McCarthy, and some political unknowns) in 1957. The mayor at the time was also in on the racket, as was most of the Portland Police Beaureau and the Multnomah County DA. Portland really had it's dirty laundry aired out on that one, with a normally quite outgoing city suddenly attempting to save face in silence. The rookie cop who helped expose the whole thing ended up enjoying a long career, ending when he retired from District Court judge. http://www.portlandtribune.com/archview.cgi?id=14273 Dave Thurman tries again... > Springfield High school is based upon Peoria, Il Central High > school. The design of the school at least. One of the artist had > went there or something like that. Nope. First, there is no Springfield High School in the show. There's Springfield Elementary, which is based directly off of Portland's Ainsworth Elementary School (Groening went to school there). Dave later responded saying that his local FOX affiliate was claiming that it was Central High School in Peoria, IL. This is false, and likely trying to put some local spin on the fact that Illinois has a well known Springfield. Apparently that affiliate truly sucks at journalism and never asked Groening. Groening named Springfield after Springfield, Oregon even though Springfield in The Simpsons is closer in layout to that of Portland. For the record, Matt Groening went to high school, 1968-1972, at Lincoln High School, Portland, Oregon. I walk down the sidewalk where he drew Bart Simpson, with the caption "Class of 1972, Matt Groening" in the wet concrete when they redid SW 18th Avenue behind Lincoln HS in 1997. The City of Portland decided to overlook this little bit of vandalism as an art donation and did not repour the sidewalk. If you're in Portland go to the corner of 18th and Salmon, and walk along 18th on the Lincoln High School side of the street. Bart will be right-side-up if you walk from Salmon Street. You may now bludgeon your local Fox affiliate with the Portland Tribune. 8:o) One person whom I no longer have attribution for suggested that Springfield Nuclear Power Plant was Three Mile Island. This is incorrect. Trojan Nuclear Power Plant near Rainier, OR is the inspiration for that one. Portlanders did not find the parody funny, as Trojan frequently operated in a manner painfully close to SNPP. Matt Groening currently resides in Portland's Hawthorne District. http://portlandtribune.com/simpsons/ -- Baloo msg08311/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: getting Maple V5 to run on Sarge
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 19:10, martin f krafft wrote: > does anyone know how i can get my (ancient) version of maple to start > up on my sarge system? something about libc-compat, but i can't > remember. right now, the binary just "isn't found...": I remember in summer 1983 when taking Math 140B (second term, first year of Advanced Calculus, University of Waterloo) when we were shown an alpha of the original Maple. Someday, I should look at it again ;) > > fishbowl:..e/bin_IBM_INTEL_LINUX> ./xmaplev5 > zsh: no such file or directory: ./xmaplev5 > fishbowl:..e/bin_IBM_INTEL_LINUX> ls -l !! > ls -l ./xmaplev5 > -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 5503876 1999-01-08 17:16 ./xmaplev5 > > thanks! > > -- > martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) > \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck > > because light travels faster than sound, > some people appear to be intelligent, > until you hear them speak. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Lighter window managers
As much as I like Blackbox, I still miss KDE because of the ability to "lock" the screen by clicking the padlock button at lower right. I never leave my terminal for a moment without locking it - it's easier than logging completely out - I use the lockout feature constantly, and haven't seen it in lighter window managers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 21:26, B. Yuksel wrote: > One way to get around this problem is to use 'screen' with a desktop wm. > Keep all terminals and such in only one desktop wm window with 'screen', > and open another window for GIMP. Voila! you have a desktop wm, can use > GIMP and also have all the good deeds of ratpoison (ratpoison was > actually made to look like 'screen') I assume you're talking about Xnest, or possibly VNC? -- Jeremy Nickurak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: installing Digest::MD5 on Woody 3.0
>nate said: > >how are you installing them? have you tried just > >apt-get install libdigest-md5-perl -nate, i wish there were words i could convey to express how FREEKIN, HAPPY you (and debian) just made me I was not aware of the full power of 'apt-get',... I was un-aware i could install perl mods and libs, etc, like this, i better do some more reading,... and start with 'man apt-get', damn cool,... 3 weeks with debian. >seems like you may be trying to install using CPAN? this is usually >a bad thing in my experience since CPAN usually tries to upgrade >perl if an upgrade is available which can severely break the >system since perl is very critical to the base system -well, this is the first time i've heard this, perl people push CPAN (auto CPAN module) like it's the best thing since 'apt-get',... -after two *&%$^ days of trying to work this problem out, i ran the `apt-get' line you gave above then applied it to libwww-perl as well and within 10 seconds all was installed without errors,... - on a side note i did something stupid the other night, i don't know if it will 'hurt' the system or not, it seems ok, but you never know. I installed 'gdbm-1.8.1.tar.gz', in the 'traditional' way, (i.e, make, make test, make install, etc,...) because this package was stating it didn't see it, it needed it,...etc,... I have looked at /usr/lib/* and it looks like it (gdbm), installed, and just made a sym link to any files that were already there, is there anyway to 'correct' this, ( without a fresh install), or should i not worry about it and not ever do this kind of thing again,... Thanks again, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Make Debian better (Re: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot)
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 18:15, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:21:00PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:45:44PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Whining about Debian developers whining about upstream implies that you > > > expect Debian developers to fix every problem. For instance, I suppose > > > > My problem is some developers will tell the user to submit it > > upstream, when my understanding is the devel is supposed to flag it as > > upstream and go submit it upstream themselves, since they're supposed > > to have an idea what bugs are upstream anyway, and know how to provide > > more helpful input for upstream. > > And sometimes the Debian developer can't really be helpful. > > I, for instance, have *never* had any luck acting as a go-between for > Debian users and upstream XFree86 problems. The upstream XFree86 guys > *always* seem to want to deal with the user directly. > > This, and the lack of a bug tracking system for the XFree86 Project, is > why I don't mark XFree86 bugs as forwarded in the Debian BTS. > > I enjoy what I think is a good working relationship with XFree86 > upstream despite the fact that the Developers' Reference tells me to do > things differently than I do. It is better to be accomodating of > upstream than to mindlessly adhere to a Debian-specific best practices > document. In this case, our users are better served the way I'm doing > it, because that's how XFree86 wants to handle things. Who am I to tell > them to change their ways? > > -- > G. Branden Robinson| Convictions are more dangerous > Debian GNU/Linux | enemies of truth than lies. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Friedrich Nietzsche > http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | I would also interject that sometimes, particularly when dealing with package maintainers looking after numerous diverse packages, tracking the design details of every aspect of each package *may not* be a reasonable expectation, and particularly when the bug is unclear in its nature or source, it is better to have upstream ask the questions to get a clear description of what is happening, especially when a user hasn't *quite* explained it clearly. My understanding is that the original intention of the Debian BTS was to be about packaging bugs - it has evolved beyond that partly as it is handy to report any bugs, and for users that don't recognise the difference between distributions and developers of specific software (which *does* on occasion happen amongst Debian users,) it can be the only address available to pass on problems, whether actually appropriate or not. I don't fault the *two routes* approach to kicking bugs upstream. So long as it is effective, it is all part of the bazaar approach of Free & Open Source sorfware and the volunteer nature of Debian. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Lance Simmons wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 10:04:42PM -0400, Kevin Coyner wrote: > > > > I gave ratpoision and ion a try last week, and really liked them both, > > but found that when running a program like Gimp, that each window that > > Gimp brings up for toolbox, etc becomes unnecessarily large (as in full > > screen). Is there anyway to control that? > > Not that I know of. Some programs, like Gimp, make heavy use of the > desktop metaphor. They're hard to use in ion or ratpoison (or at least > I haven't figured out how to do it easily). What I do instead is start > my X session with selectwm, using ratpoison as the default. If I need > to use a wm that keeps the desktop metaphor, I can quickly exit > ratpoison and switch to another wm without losing any of my windows. > Once I'm done with that program, I exit the "desktop" wm, and go back to > ratpoison. One way to get around this problem is to use 'screen' with a desktop wm. Keep all terminals and such in only one desktop wm window with 'screen', and open another window for GIMP. Voila! you have a desktop wm, can use GIMP and also have all the good deeds of ratpoison (ratpoison was actually made to look like 'screen') -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
recovering /var, especially /var/lib/dpkg
I had a laptop stolen and shortly afterwards the two hard drives on a server both failed. Unfortunately, those drives contained the backups of my laptop, and I wasn't able to recover my backup of /var. So on my new laptop I have restored everything except /var, and the question is whether it will be possible to recover the essential parts of /var. Luckily, before running each backup I save the output of "dpkg -l" in /root, so I have a list of all installed packages and what version is installed. Is it possible to use this information to recreate the data dpkg needs to operate? What exactly is needed? [I realize that I could just reinstall all the packages from scratch. But that would entail answering lots of debconf questions, and doing a lot of merging of conffiles since many packages will have been updated since the laptop was lost. (It was a while ago and I follow testing.) So I'm hoping to avoid a reinstall.] After getting dpkg working, are there any suggestions about how to restore the other parts of /var? Thanks for any advice. Please cc me on replies. Dan -- Dan Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Missing packages on CD?
> > Those three packages are in non-Free which is Not Part Of Debian(tm), > tho Debian does package them and put them up on it's mirrors. I'm not > sure where they fit on the CDs tho. Do you have 7 CDs? > I have 7 CDs, taking care of downloading the non-US version of the first one. But of course, non free is not the same as non-US... Victor -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which half are you in?
Russell, 2002-Oct-21 13:49 +1000: > dave mallery wrote: > > > > hi list! > > > > there's a saying that all people are in two groups: > > > > those who have done an rm -R * in root > > and those who have not done it yet. > > > > last evening, i joined the former group after six years of linux and a > > lifetime of computing... > > It takes a bit of conditioning of your habits to avoid > these kinds of errors. I've never been locked out of my > car because i *know* that it would happen if i didn't > always lock the door with the key. > > Likewise, when doing a recursive delete of directories > as root, always do "pwd" or "ls -al" if your path isn't > displayed in the prompt. Another way is to do the delete > from midnight commander where you can see everything. I've locked myself out of my car, my house, my office...and I've done rm -R * in /etc before. I can sympathize. jc -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot
> -Original Message- > From: David A. Rogers [mailto:darogers@;speakeasy.net] > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:47 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot > > > I did a quick check on the xfree86 site. It doesn't look > like the intense3d > is supported. > > The one thing you can do to make sure that installing Linux > is easy is to make > sure all your hardware is fully supported. Hear that! I'm going to try to find a used video card. I don't need anything fancy (I don't play games on this machine). Erik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
Chip Rose wrote: As much as I like Blackbox, I still miss KDE because of the ability to "lock" the screen by clicking the padlock button at lower right. I never leave my terminal for a moment without locking it - it's easier than logging completely out - I use the lockout feature constantly, and haven't seen it in lighter window managers. There are many packages that provide locking: http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/xlockmore.html http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/xtrlock.html Probably more around... Bijan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 12:30:32PM -0400, Chip Rose wrote: > As much as I like Blackbox, I still miss KDE because of the ability to "lock" > the screen by clicking the padlock button at lower right. I never leave my > terminal for a moment without locking it - it's easier than logging > completely out - I use the lockout feature constantly, and haven't seen it in > lighter window managers. Use xscreensaver, it has a lock feature. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
On Monday 21 October 2002 12:23 pm, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 12:30:32PM -0400, Chip Rose wrote: > > As much as I like Blackbox, I still miss KDE because of the ability to > > "lock" the screen by clicking the padlock button at lower right. I never > > leave my terminal for a moment without locking it - it's easier than > > logging completely out - I use the lockout feature constantly, and > > haven't seen it in lighter window managers. > > Use xscreensaver, it has a lock feature. - Ok - I remember using it several years ago, but it would lock up my *entire* computer. I also had this problem with any screensaver, as well as when I logged out completely and let my screen sit at the kdm login gui. Maybe it was just a Redhat/Mandrake thing (no barb intended!) - I'll give it another go now that I'm using Debian, which had more stable apps. Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
Chip Rose sez: } As much as I like Blackbox, I still miss KDE because of the ability to "lock" } the screen by clicking the padlock button at lower right. I never leave my } terminal for a moment without locking it - it's easier than logging } completely out - I use the lockout feature constantly, and haven't seen it in } lighter window managers. Um, all you need is a way to run a program, such as a window manager that can run programs with a keystroke or mouseclick (which means nearly all of them), or even a terminal. Set something up to run xlock or xlockmore (RTF man page if necessary). Enjoy. --Greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dumb terminals possible with i386 Debian
Suppose I wanted to set up some kiosks for web browsing, solitaire, etc (just generic users). I can envision three scenarios: 1) full-blown workstations, each one with their own hard drives and OS setup, etc. 2) one server and the rest of the workstations are thin clients, having mobo/cpus, keyboards, mice, monitor 3) one server and the rest of the workstations are dumb terminals, having keyboard, mouse, and monitor connected to the server via serial/firewire/usb/whatever. I know the first two are possible. But I'd really like to pursue the third option. Is it possible? Practical? Thanks! Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Woody install on a nforce based mobo.
I'm trying to do an install of Woody on a new nforce based mobo. When I try to boot with a 2.4 kernel it hangs right after giving me loop: loaded max 8 devices. I let it set fot ~8 minutes before giving up. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I pronounce Debian as "The One": So What?
I pronounce "Debian GNU/Linux" as: "The One True Linux" So, what? -- Abdul Latip -- Angkasa Internet Junior Staff -- ANGIN.com http://people.WebIndonesia.com/dullatip/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
File blocked - ScanMail for Lotus Notes-->A funny game
ScanMail has removed an attachment during a real-time scan of the email traffic. Date: 10/21/2002 22:0:46 Subject: A funny game Virus: Blocked; File:install.exe From: debian-user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Action: Blocked; Scanned by ScanMail for Lotus Notes 2.5 with scanengine 6.150-1001 and patternfile lpt$vpn.367 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: exim configuration
"Shyamal" == Shyamal Prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: "Sandip" == Sandip P Deshmukh writes: Sandip> so far as smarthost is concerned, i do not know yet! but Sandip> frankly, i think a machine with the net access and dns Sandip> access should be in a position to send e-mails independent Sandip> of other machines (read - Sandip> smarthost). of course, correct me if i am wrong Shyamal> Yes, and no. In theory you should be able to do this. In Shyamal> practice, if you look up an MX record for the domain you Shyamal> are sending mail to, and try to connect to that mail Shyamal> server, the server may not accept mail for you. You can Shyamal> thank spammers etc. for the closing of the old internet Shyamal> when you could do this stuff. For the sake of full disclosure: the above is an uninformed opinion. I have never set up a debian box on the big-I Internet with full mail delivery based on MX records. It might work for you. It does for some people. I've been told that many ISP's make this hard to do. Don't believe everything I say ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel upgrading
"np" == np rpr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: np> Prasad, Thanks for your reply, I don't seen any initrd file in np> /boot yeas vmlinuz-2.4.19-k6 is there which is obvious. Why np> initrd was not installed? Hmmm...how exactly did you get and install this package? What is the output of 'dpkg -l kernel-image-2.4.19-k6'? np> One more thing won't a message craete a new thread.. I am not np> sure please correct me. Thanks, Nitin If you reply to a message, your new message will show as a part of the thread that you replied to. To start a new thread you must post a brand new message to the list (don't reply to an existing message), or if you reply to a message delete the 'References:' header line in your new reply. In your case you sent your mail as a reply to an existing message about kernel upgrades that was unrelated to your question. I just happened to be reading that thread, so I read your message. Other people who might know what you did wrong might miss it if they are using a threaded reader and don't read that thread. Unless of course my newsreader is buggy and messed up. Somehow I doubt that Gnus is that buggy ;-) Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need help installing PHP (Linux) with MySQL and Apache
-- Chip Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Monday, 21 October 2002, 01:08 PM -0400): > I can't get PHP-4.2.3 compiled to work with MySQL and Apache, despite months > of trying. Apache compiled ok, and so did MySQL -both work, on my Debian > Linux box. > > I've tried various combos of installing the Deb packages, compiling from > source, and various combinations thereto. I started out using > http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/00/44/index4a_page4.html?tw=programming > as a guide, in efforts to create a way of accessing MySQL via PHP Gui of some > sort. I've been trying for months, on and off, using Redhat, Mandrake, and > now Debian3.0. First off, if you're using Debian, why are you compiling Apache, MySQL, and PHP? Are you trying to enable only certain modules? compile specific options? If you're new to PHP and MySQL, install the Debian packages, experiment, learn -- and THEN worry about optimizing the system. In addition, if you want a web-based MySQL GUI, try phpMyAdmin... which, fortunately, ALSO comes as a debian package. Apt-get is your friend, especially when you're learning -- use it! However, if you still feel the need to compile... > I've tried getting Escapade installed, but pages won't load > unless I change a line in httpd.conf, and then Apache won't run because it > complains of the changed line in httpd.conf, which was supposedly necessary > to get Escapade to run. Apache comes with a utility, apachectl, which has the option 'configtest' -- run it like: $ apachectl configtest This will tell you if there's an error with your httpd.conf, and also give a good indication of what it is. You should also *read* your httpd.conf, as well as the documentation (in debian package apache-doc, usually included with source) on the various options and directives for httpd.conf > Typing ./httpd -l in my Apache bin directory shows that "mod_so.c" is an > enabled module. My attempt to compile PHP-4.2.3 by typing > ./configure --with-mysql=/usr/bin/ resulted in the following error message > configure: error: Cannot find header files under /usr/bin/ > > I've tried changing the path to MySQL headers, but still get same error msg. > I really don't know how to find these MySQL headers since I wouldn't know one > if I saw it. What prefix did you use when you compiled MySQL? If you installed via debian, you need to make sure you have the mysql-dev package installed, and I believe you would then specify --with-mysql=/usr. If you compiled it, if you didn't specify a --prefix= option to ./configure when compiling, it usually defaults to /usr/local. If this was the case, you need to specify --with-mysql=/usr/local (no /bin, no /lib -- just the prefix for the install directory). Also, as far as enabling the PHP module, you will need to tell apache to load it -- look for the section with lines starting with "LoadModule", and you'll need to pass the path to libphp4.so -- see the install instructions for PHP. Just to reiterate -- if you're completely new to Apache, MySQL, and PHP, and you're trying to learn, don't start with compilation. Use apt and grab the apache, php, and mysql packages that you need and start from there. When you've got enough knowledge that you know *why* you need to compile (certain optimizations, require the latest source [though this is somewhat moot if you use debian's unstable tree], or a specific patch for added functionality), then compile. And when you DO decide to compile, read the installation and README files in the source thoroughly! (This all comes from somebody who learned the hard way, when there was no reason to!) -- Matthew Weier O'Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: removal of Gnome2 not working
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On Monday 21 October 2002 04:17, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 08:17:10PM -0500, Nicolaus Kedegren
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In short:
> > Removing file-roller2 ...
> > /var/lib/dpkg/info/file-roller2.postrm: scrollkeeper-update: command not
> > found dpkg: error processing file-roller2 (--remove):
> > subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
> > is repeated for a few packages.
> >
> > the final mesage get is:
> > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> > and in all honesty, I have never seen this before, and my question would
> > be the following:
> > Why does this happen, and what can I do to take care of this issue?
>
> This is happening for the exact reason it claims:
> scrollkeeper-update: command not found :)
> There are four scripts associated with each Debian package:
> preinst,postinst,prerm and postrm. The preinst script is executed
> before the package is unpacked, the postinst, after it's unpacked; the
> prerm before the files are deleted and postrm after the files are
> deleted. They're simple shell scripts (well, mostly), and you can read
> them in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.{preinst,postint,prerm,postrm}.
> They handle things like updating config files, starting daemons and all
> sorts of other things.
>
> What's happening here is that the `file-roller2' package is trying to
> run `scrollkeeper-update', which isn't installed any more, presumably to
> tell scrollkeeper that it's removed the file-roller2 documentation. I'm
> not sure where the bug is here, but you'll need to re-install
> scrollkeeper (or whichever package provides the scrollkeeper-update
> binary) before dpkg will be able to finish up.
>
> > Oh, and one last thing, this problem also prevents me from installing ANY
> > new packages on my system.
>
> [serious snippage]
>
> Ah, yes. apt doesn't want to install any new packages while your
> current ones are broken. Once these packages are removed, it should
> work fine.
>
> -rob
Hi All,
Rob, Thank you for your input, actually I went through the mess this morning,
and I did manage to get to the conclusion that scrollkeeper was the issue.
I forgot to mention that the reason I wanted to remove gnome2 was that the
installation thereof failed when installing scrollkeeper.
I think I managed to do something not so bright: i read the .prerm and .postrm
files, and deleted the files mentioned in there manually. It SEEMS that my
system has not been affected in a negative way, but I am sure there are a ton
of files files left all over the place.
On my agenda for the morning:
read some man-pages (grep, find, etc.. ), massive cleanup, learn how to
control my software-possesive desires
Thanks again.
/Nicolaus
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Re: Lighter window managers
On Monday 21 October 2002 19:11, Kevin Coyner wrote: > > I've tried both blackbox and fluxbox and like them both, but for now am > using xfce for one simple reason: I have dual monitors and use > Xinerama, and BB and FB bring up new window/apps/dialog boxes right > between the two screens, whereas xfce doesn't. I think I'd go back to > FB if I could get that problem solved. > > Kevin It requires the author to write code especially for xinerama. it is Xfree4 specific to boot. Now that I have two monitors I may add support to blackbox after we get done with the current round of architecture changes. Personally I prefer the two distinct monitors over xinerama though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: browsers choke on Asian chars
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 16:53, Kevin Coyner wrote: > > I've got a strange one here that I can't figure out ... > > Galeon, Opera and Mozilla all choke if I go to any websites that use > Asian characters. By choke I mean freeze up - the browser can't be used > nor can it be killed except by through its PID. I asked some other > Linux users to check out their browsers on these sites, and their > systems render the pages and don't freeze. Why is my system locking up? > > A few more clues: > > I don't have the same lock-up when using links, w3m or dillo. > > I'm running Debian 2.4.18 on an i386, using testing. Galeon is 1.25, > Opera is 6.03 and Mozilla is 1.0.0-0.woody.1. > > Only the browsers lock up. All other functionality in other programs > and windows, including X, remain o.k. > > sakura:~$ echo $LANG > C > > European websites come up fine. Only those using something like > Japanese, Chinese or Korea chars. In the status line of the browser I > can see the msg that states it's "loading site" and then "transferring > data" but then when it tries to paint the window, it freezes. > > At this point I'm not too concerned whether these pages render the chars > correctly or not, I just want it to stop locking up whenever it > encounters an Asian char. > > I know that in each of these browsers there are settings for foreign > languages. I've tried those, and I still get lockups. > > I've also used dpkg-reconfigure locales to add in Japanese charsets. > Still no good. > > Wondering what to try next ...? > > Thanks in advance for any pointers. > > Kevin > > -- > > Kevin Coyner > mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > GnuPG key: 1024D/8CE11941 My system is also rendering the characters fine (at least on more than half of the Japanese sites, and any Korean site I've tried. I don't have Chinese sites I know of to check up on.) My first suspicion, given that Opera is also on the list, is that something in the fonts themselves are causing the freeze, because I believe Gecko, and likely Opera, do some more internal handling of fonts compared to w3m or dillo. It could well be just a situation of you running a *particular* release of these fonts or something in the font handling pipeline. It might be time to start tracking down the versions involved... -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 10:04:42PM -0400, Kevin Coyner wrote: > > I gave ratpoision and ion a try last week, and really liked them both, > but found that when running a program like Gimp, that each window that > Gimp brings up for toolbox, etc becomes unnecessarily large (as in full > screen). Is there anyway to control that? Not that I know of. Some programs, like Gimp, make heavy use of the desktop metaphor. They're hard to use in ion or ratpoison (or at least I haven't figured out how to do it easily). What I do instead is start my X session with selectwm, using ratpoison as the default. If I need to use a wm that keeps the desktop metaphor, I can quickly exit ratpoison and switch to another wm without losing any of my windows. Once I'm done with that program, I exit the "desktop" wm, and go back to ratpoison. -- _ -o) Lance Simmons /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x startup
Billy Bump wrote: ok the touch pad in not cracked but it does not work in any configuration windows98, linux, mandrake kde. It quit and I have not fixed it yet. It has been disabled in the cmos to stop the computer from looking for it because it draws error messages when booting in dos for windows. Okay; that answers the question sufficiently well I believe; there's a physical problem with the trackpad, so we'll ignore it. ctl alt f1 didn't do anything ctl alt f2 took me to a virtual termainal and i sign on and got no movement of the square. I have seen the square in previous install on a different computer so i know what you are telling me to look for its just not there. I tried the "ps ax | grep [g]pm i got no wessage back i tried ps ax | grep gpm and i got 961 tty1 s 0:00 grep gpm Okay, so gpm is not running. At this point you can do one of two things: 1) Try to get X working with the mouse or 2) Install/configure gpm in order to learn what works for the mouse. I'd do this, simply because you don't have to try starting X everytime you want to test your mouse configuration. Once you've figured out a working configuration, you could then get X and gpm to work together, or uninstall gpm. Assuming you want to try option 2: "apt-get install gpm" It'll ask some configuration questions. If whatever answers you provide don't work, you can re-rerun the configuration utility by executing "gpmconfig" (or you can manually edit /etc/gpm.conf and then manually restart gpm to test). Since the mouse is on the usb port, the location of your mouse probably needs to be set to "/dev/input/mice". However, this is dependent on if the correct usb support is configured for your laptop. For now, assume that it is, and install gpm (or run gpmconfig) and specify "/dev/input/mice" as the location of your mouse. Alternatively, if you don't want to use gpm, reconfigure /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to look to "/dev/input/mice" instead of "/dev/gpmdata". Let us know the results. Billy Bump wrote: The laptop is a gateway 2300 p200 with neomagic video card and tft display and a 4.1 gb harddrive. The touch pad does not work at all i have been working to fix it but is broken now. the trackball is pu=luged into the usb port and the system looks to /dev/gmpdata and i guess yes to the gmp question i'm not sure If gpm is installed and configured to repeat mouse movement data (repeat type = raw), then X can look to the device "/dev/gpmdata" to read that data. Otherwise, if X is configured to read the mouse port directly, it'll conflict with gpm's processes. In other words/dev/gpmdata is what you want X looking at if you have gpm installed. If you don't have gpm installed, you want the real mouse device instead (something like /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/input/mice, etc). Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
emulex lightpulse drivers
Hello all Has anyone managed to get the emulex lightpulse scsi driver working correctly on Debian. All I get is nameserver registration timeouts. Thank you Andrew Ritchie --- Server and Database Administrator ed-IT, Faculty Of Education Doug McDonell Building The University of Melbourne ph: 8344 8719 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "sudo su" Permission denied
On 0, Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Q. Gong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-22 00:52:10 +0200]: > > I am trying to use "sudo su -". But I always get "su: Permission denied". > > The purpose is to make su only available through sudo. Any ideas? > > What does this command output say for you? It lists the commands you > can run. Don't report anything to the list that reveals anything > sensitive about your site. Just read it yourself and make sure the > output makes sense. > > sudo -l > > Probably running 'sudo bash' or equivalent is easier than stacking su > commands. One advantage of sudo is that commands are run in your > environment and so your command line editing options are all the same > as you expect. Running 'su -' forces you to load the /root > environment which means those things are frequently different. That > is much less friendly. Yah, but personally I like the difference, it forces me to think in root mode, not user mode. Tom -- Tom Cook Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide "If your company is not involved in something called "ISO 9000" you probably have no idea what it is. If your company _is_ involved in ISO 9000 then you definitely have no idea what it is." - Scott Adams - The Dilbert principle Get my GPG public key: https://pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au/~tkcook/tom.cook-at-adelaide.edu.au msg08282/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Backup Script - tar vs rsync
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Auke Jilderda wrote: > On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 12:19:11PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > > Read the following page, then modify the associated script to your > > system. It's geared toward tape. For drive-to-drive, I'd suggest rsync > > rather than tar. > Why? that would depend ... -- what is the purpose of your backups ?? - if for "saving files" to restore at a later time if needed ? - for keeping a live copy of the existing server for posible warm swap upon failure ?? -- most of the good and bad features apply to both...with a few exceptions tar - my preference ... - i can save a copy of what was transfered from master to "backup" - i can compress 6-12 months of backups into 1 disk of same size as master disk ( nope... i dont have a disk full of video clips ) possible bad stuff - files might require untarring on the other end ( i'll pay this "trivial" price for the above additional benefit rsync - live copy of master to slave possible bad stuff - if the master erased foo.txt, the backup will also be erased - good if the backup is also erased, if you wanted the clones to also delete what is no longer on the master disk - you might not be able to rebuild a master from the rsync backups?? - rsync seems to hit a "transfer limit" when trying to rsync 600GB between 2 machines... it dies... but tar worked fine - probably flaky nic drivers or mb or ?? - other systems have no problem transferring similar sized transfers between multiple machines -- lots o ways to skin the cat... just between tar and rsync only.. c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 03:26:57PM -0400, jeff wrote.. > http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ > > and a nice screenshot of my current desktop: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~jmr71769/screenshot.jpg > > this is a complete minimalist one liner: > > apt-get install fluxbox xterm mozilla xmms xchat gaim xserver-xfree86 > gpm xbase-clients xfonts-100dpi xfonts-base xscreesaver linuxlogo xpenguins > I've tried both blackbox and fluxbox and like them both, but for now am using xfce for one simple reason: I have dual monitors and use Xinerama, and BB and FB bring up new window/apps/dialog boxes right between the two screens, whereas xfce doesn't. I think I'd go back to FB if I could get that problem solved. Kevin -- Kevin Coyner mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key: 1024D/8CE11941 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disable char-major-6 was (Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2002 #206)
More descriptive subject lines help. On 21 Oct 2002 12:23:05 -0600 Dale K Dicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I boot up I get "Cannot locate char-major-6" > > It seems like it is when the discover script is running that this > happens. > > Correct me if I am wrong but I think char-major-6 is the LPT Port. > > I don't have LPT enabled in my kernel or as a module because I don't > need it as I do all printing over the network. > > How can I get rid of this error on boot? Create a file in /etc/modutils with: alias char-major-6 off Then run update-modules as root. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: x startup
Billy Bump wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: Kent West [mailto:westk@;acu.edu] > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: x startup > > ok the touch pad in not cracked but it does not work in any configuration > windows98, linux, mandrake kde. It quit and I have not fixed it yet... There's a debian-laptop group. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:42:29AM -0500, Lance Simmons wrote.. > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 07:45:59AM +0200, Magnus Therning wrote: > > For the true minimalist, try ratpoison... I can't use it, but it is > > about as light weight as you'll get, I think. > > Thumbs up for ratpoison. There's no way to interact with it using your > mouse, so you have no choice but to learn the keyboard commands. It > doesn't take long to get used to it, and then you navigate as fast as > you can type. I switched from ion this past week, and don't see myself > ever going back. Add keylaunch, and you can do everything you do with > any of the other, mouse-friendly wm's, except you do it one keystroke at > a time. I gave ratpoision and ion a try last week, and really liked them both, but found that when running a program like Gimp, that each window that Gimp brings up for toolbox, etc becomes unnecessarily large (as in full screen). Is there anyway to control that? Kevin -- Kevin Coyner mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key: 1024D/8CE11941 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Make Debian better (Re: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot)
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:30:01PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 05:35:45PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 03:21:40PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > I don't see why...it takes a few seconds to pass on a bug. > > If it only takes a few seconds, then why do you object to being asked to > > do it yourself? ;) > The submitter may not even know who to contact about upstream bugs; the > maintainer should always know the most appropriate place to send bug > reports. I assumed it was a given that a maintainer asking a bug submitter to take such an active role would provide such guidance as needed. Steve Langasek postmodern programmer msg08276/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ALSA part two
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:08:01 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Allison) wrote: > Why are we carrying both 0.5 and 0.9 in STABLE? Really? I looked in unstable a week or so ago and found only .4 and .5. I guess I'll look again... I see things which use .9, but nothing that claims to be .9 itself. What package is .9 listed as? -- Theodore Reed (rizen/bancus) -==- http://surreality.us:8080/~rizen/ ~GPG/PGP Signed/Encrypted Mail Preferred; Finger me for my public key!~ "The word of Sin is Restriction. O man! refuse not thy wife, if she will! O lover, if thou wilt, depart! There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell." -- Liber AL vel Legis, 1:41 msg08275/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: The Simpsons
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 15:34, Robert L. Harris wrote: > > > No, it was Diamond Joe's nephew who was framed for beating up > the amazingly clumbsy waiter. > Agreed, iirc, it was a parody of the rape trial of wassissname, William Kennedy Smith, around the time, Bart skipped classes, evaded Robo-Skinner, ended up infiltrating the Quimby party and hiding in the kitchen in time for the altercation. Both Homer and Skinner ended up on the jury, and Bart eventually guilted himself into testifying after closing arguments had already been given - the judge noticing that in fact it was all in violation of court procedure. > > Thus spake Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:20:12 -0700 > > To: Debian-User List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: OT: The Simpsons > > From: Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/240460 > > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 04:09:55AM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: > > > Er, I think he means the character that said: > > > "It's chawdah! Say it right! Chawdah! Chawdah!" > > > was Quimby's nephew. > > > > Oh. I thought you were talking about some mysterious Kennedy > > relative. You might be right, though I'm fairly certain it was > > Diamond Joe that said it. > > > > -- > > Baloo > > > > > :wq! > --- > Robert L. Harris > > DISCLAIMER: > These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. > FYI: > perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 15:34, Jamin W.Collins wrote: > On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:26:57 -0400 jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ > > > > and a nice screenshot of my current desktop: > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~jmr71769/screenshot.jpg > > > > this is a complete minimalist one liner: > > > > apt-get install fluxbox xterm mozilla xmms xchat gaim xserver-xfree86 > > gpm xbase-clients xfonts-100dpi xfonts-base xscreesaver linuxlogo > > xpenguins > > You can't be serious, listing both xterm and mozilla and claiming it's > minimalist? First, rxvt is _much_ lighter than xterm (about half to > two-thirds the size). Second, using "mozilla" in your apt-get will pull > in mozilla-browser, mozilla-mailnews, and mozilla-psm. Phoenix (even at > v0.3) is a much better choice, but if you're looking for a solution that > uses only Debian pacakges, try Galeon or Skipstone. Third, drop the > amusements linuxlogo and xpenguins. > > -- > Jamin W. Collins Galeon requires the bulk of the mozilla packaging: mozilla-browser, because the pertinent parts (ie. Gecko) are not packaged separately as yet. Galeon is hence anything but minimalist, it just hides the bloat in installed code for XUL support that it isn't using. The other parts of mozilla not required are relatively small - XUL presentations and nominal backends to implement these functions. Anyhow, mozilla-browser *is* a Debian package, unless it was just yanked from the pools. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Trouble ripping from CDs.
I'm having some serious issues getting my linux box to play nice with my cdrw drive. Here's the output of 'cdrecord -scanbus': Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22 Cdrecord 1.11a34 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling Using libscg version 'schily-0.6' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) '' '40X12X48 CD-RW ' '1.05' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) 'SAMSUNG ' 'DVD-ROM SD-616T ' 'F302' Removable CD-ROM 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * As you can see, the vendor string comes up bland, but it happens to be a Hi-Val (at least, that's what the box says). When I try and rip a song with this drive from any random disk, I start getting all kinds of SCSI bus error messages. The following is the output of 'cdparanoia -v -s': cdparanoia III release 9.8 (March 23, 2001) (C) 2001 Monty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and Xiphophorus Report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ Checking /dev/cdrom for cdrom... Testing /dev/cdrom for cooked ioctl() interface /dev/sg0 is not a cooked ioctl CDROM. Testing /dev/cdrom for SCSI interface generic device: /dev/sg0 ioctl device: /dev/scd0 Found an accessible SCSI CDROM drive. Looking at revision of the SG interface in use... SG interface version 3.1.22; OK. CDROM model sensed sensed: 40X12X48 CD-RW 1.05 Checking for SCSI emulation... Drive is ATAPI (using SCSI host adaptor emulation) Checking for MMC style command set... Drive is MMC style DMA scatter/gather table entries: 256 table entry size: 32768 bytes maximum theoretical transfer: 3566 sectors Setting default read size to 13 sectors (30576 bytes). Verifying CDDA command set... Expected command set reads OK. Table of contents (audio tracks only): tracklength begincopy pre ch === 1.18500 [04:06.50]0 [00:00.00]no no 2 2.28120 [06:14.70]18500 [04:06.50]no no 2 3.31960 [07:06.10]46620 [10:21.45]no no 2 4.39503 [08:46.53]78580 [17:27.55]no no 2 5.16656 [03:42.06] 118083 [26:14.33]no no 2 6.24484 [05:26.34] 134739 [29:56.39]no no 2 7.30486 [06:46.36] 159223 [35:22.73]no no 2 8.27851 [06:11.26] 189709 [42:09.34]no no 2 9.35558 [07:54.08] 217560 [48:20.60]no no 2 10.20092 [04:27.67] 253118 [56:14.68]no no 2 11.30862 [06:51.37] 273210 [60:42.60]no no 2 12.24623 [05:28.23] 304072 [67:34.22]no no 2 TOTAL 328695 [73:02.45](audio only) Ripping from sector 0 (track 1 [0:00.00]) to sector 18499 (track 1 [4:06.49]) outputting to cdda.wav scsi_read error: sector=0 length=7 retry=0 Sense key: 4 ASC: 8 ASCQ: 3 Transport error: Target hardware fault System error: Input/output error scsi_read error: sector=0 length=3 retry=1 Sense key: 4 ASC: 8 ASCQ: 3 Transport error: Target hardware fault System error: Input/output error > You get the idea < scsi_read error: sector=33 length=3 retry=2 Sense key: 4 ASC: 8 ASCQ: 3 Transport error: Target hardware fault System error: Input/output error Then I hit CTRL-C to stop the process. What's really wierd is that my DVD drive, which is the slave on this bus (/dev/sg1) is able to rip CD's just fine. All I have to do is specify -g /dev/sg1 and I'm golden. I think whatever the root of this problem is, it's also causing problems when I try and burn a CD (at least I can't burn an audio cd, haven't tried a data cd yet). This problem has really been giving me fits since May. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks. -- Stephen W. Juranich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electrical Engineering http://students.washington.edu/sjuranic University of Washingtonhttp://ssli.ee.washington.edu/ssli -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: which half are you in?
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:57:15PM -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > But back in 1993 when I first started using Linux I was using dd on my > Sun to rawwrite Linux images onto floppy disks to take home, and I > accidentally put the dd output to /dev/sd0 instead of /dev/fd0 > ... goodbye, HD partitions. Hello, reinstall. Sounds like my first time using tar... I didn't quite grok how the "f" command worked and ended up writing my tarfile to /dev/hda. It bombed in fairly short order and, luckily, hda1 was a FAT partition with MSDOS running on it (this was back in '94 or '95) and, after formatting it, I decided to try the MSDOS "unformat" command. I got lucky and managed to save the content of the disk, although about half the filenames in the root directory were trashed. Hopefully, that's close enough to 'rm -rf /' that I'll never have to do the other. -- When we reduce our own liberties to stop terrorism, the terrorists have already won. - reverius Innocence is no protection when governments go bad. - Tom Swiss -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rage128 and dri (?)
This one time, at band camp, Nicos Gollan said: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 21 October 2002 20:17, Phil Reardon wrote: > > I am trying to get XFree86 4.2 to like my rage 128 video card. I > > can get a grey X screen up and mouse around, but thats all. When I > > ctrl-alt-backspace, I see these messages on the console: I am > > running kernel 2.4.18 - bf2.4 on sid. > > > > (EE) R128(0): No DFP detected > > (EE) R128(0): [dri] R128DRIScreenInit failed because of a version > > mismatch. [dri] r128.o kernel module version is 2.1.6 but version > > 2.2 or greater is needed. > > [dri] Disabling the DRI > > (EE) R128(0): [drm] failed to remove DRM signal handler > > DRIUnlock called when not locked. > > > > I do not know what DFP, dri or drm refers to, but the need for > > version 2.2 of r128.o seems clear. How can I get that at least? > > It should come along with X11, that's the place where it's being > maintained. If you compiled X from source, you can find the module > sources under > > xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/os-support/linux > > alternatively, you can get the X11 4.2 DRM modules at > > http://www.xfree86.org/~alanh/ > > However, the DRI is only needed for 3D acceleration and X tends to run > fairly well without it. So getting the right kernel modules might not > solve any immediate problems. There is a kernel option for DRI for X4.2, and one or DRI for older X's (pre-4.1? I think) bf2.4 may not have DRI for your card in it, and you may have to recompile a kernel. But, as noted above, X runs just fine without DRI - you only need it for accelerated stuff. The grey X screen and mouse sounds like you have successfully started X, but have specified no window manager or session manager in your ~/.xsession. Adding 'exec to ~/.xsession may do what you want. Steve -- Be cautious in your daily affairs. msg08270/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Make Debian better (Re: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot)
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 05:35:45PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 03:21:40PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > I don't see why...it takes a few seconds to pass on a bug. > > If it only takes a few seconds, then why do you object to being asked to > do it yourself? ;) The submitter may not even know who to contact about upstream bugs; the maintainer should always know the most appropriate place to send bug reports. -- - mdz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache configuration and host names?
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 11:29:42AM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote: > He did say that he removed it from /etc/hosts . I'm not sure if you > didn't read the message or are insinuating that he was mistaken, and did > not in fact remove the line and restart apache as he claims to have > done. Oh, I thought he still had it in /etc/hosts. Mybad. > > > ps. Please CC. > > > > No. If you want a private tutor, hire one, don't expect it like it's > > your God given right. Either subscribe or read the archive. > > Chill, man ... his mail had Mail-Followup-To: . In this case, my normal > habit (hitting 'L' in mutt) would CC him; it would take extraordinary > action on my part to _not_ CC him. I think my mutt just had an unrepeatable burp, then. My message didn't do that with L. -- Baloo msg08267/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: bibtex command in Auctex/Xemacs
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 06:57:52PM +0200, Neilen wrote: > I'm using Xemacs from sid, and the AucTeX that go with it. If I use C-c > C-c to compile my latex document, and it then tells me I need to run > BibTeX, the command entry it automatically generates seems to be wrong. > It is bibtex, instead of BiBTeX. If I press enter then, it gives an > error about the command not being found. If, however, I erase the > bibtex, and properly capitalise it, it seems to work. > > Have I misconfigured something, or is this a bug? Anyone else have this > problem? Since the command it should run is /usr/bin/bibtex, it being all in lower case ought to be right. Odd. SRH -- Steve Haslam Reading, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Maintainer [EMAIL PROTECTED] but I won't admit to needing you I'll never say that's true, not to you [sister machine gun] msg08268/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: installing Digest::MD5 on Woody 3.0
Colonol Mustard said: > I am trying to install some perl modules on woody 3.0 2.4.218 bf-2.4 the > 'minimal' iso install package. how are you installing them? have you tried just apt-get install libdigest-md5-perl seems like you may be trying to install using CPAN? this is usually a bad thing in my experience since CPAN usually tries to upgrade perl if an upgrade is available which can severely break the system since perl is very critical to the base system nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unidentified subject!
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Support for Intel 845G (Brookdale) graphics
Hi, I recently got a computer with Intel D845GRG mainboard. It has onboard video, sound, and ethernet support. I needed to do a few things to make Debian stable/Woody work with it: Apparently, the ethernet controller needs to have a 2.4.19 kernel. After replacing a boot floppy kernel with the 2.4.19 one, then the eepro100 module loaded, and I could continue the network install. But, the video support has been more of a problem. According to this web site, the Intel 845 series of graphics chips will not be supported until XFree86 version 4.3.0 is released: http://www.xfree86.org/~dawes/845driver.html Some people suggested using the VESA driver. But, when I did that, X would display its screen ONCE. If I tried to CRTL-ALT-F1 to switch to a virtual console, then CTRL-ALT-F7 to switch back to X, then X would no longer display. Also, X would not display anything if I reset it. In other words: 1. Reboot system 2. startx (X starts up) 3. CTRL-ALT-Backspace (X shuts down) 4. startx (X starts up BUT fails to display anything.) So, the VESA driver was not much use. I had more success with the fbdev driver. I needed to build the kernel with all the framebuffer support (as described in the Framebuffer Howto) then I chose vga=0317 in LILO to start the system with a 1024x768 with 16 bpp. With this, X was more stable (I could switch to a virtual console, then back to X safely.) But, this seems to lack the hardware OpenGL support that the 845G can provide. I loaded both Red Hat 8.0 and Mandrake 9.0 and notice that they both seem to support the 845G graphics natively with the i810 XFree86 module. Both RH and Mandrake are using XFree86 4.2.x. I am wondering if they backported the 845G driver support to their versions of XFree86? I would love to learn if their is any way to get the native 845G driver (i810) to run in a Debian package of XFree86. Failing that, I guess I could just get the latest XFree86 from CVS (it contains 845G support in the i810 driver) and build it, but I am unsure which Debian X packages will be influenced by it. Thanks, Doug __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
crashing memtest86
memtest86 3.0, which freezes at 57% through the pass, test #5 (block move, 64 moves, cached) at 10%, while testing 92K - 504M really wants to tell me something, does it not? Can anyone point me in the right direction? The SDRAM chip is new, so is the entire machine. Have I mimsconfigured it, or is the chip just kaputt? It wouldn't be my first, but usually they spurted errors all over. Never had memtest86 freeze... -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system msg08262/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
