Re: 2 apt-get questions

[Svein Ove Aas]

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torsdag 6. februar 2003, 07:08, skrev Hal Vaughan:
> I know this should be very simple and easy to find, but I'm having trouble
> answering these two questions.  I've been through the apt-get man page a
> few times.  Since I'm trying to do something on a "one-time-only" basis,
> this shouldn't be a config problem -- I'd expect it to be available as a
> command line switch.
>
> 1) How can I specify the source site to use to retreive a specific package?
> (In this case, I added download.kde.org with all the info to point to the
> KDE 3.1 packages, but apt doesn't seem to see anything above KDE 2.2, even
> after apt-get update).

That won't be neccessary; KDE 3.1 will be in Sid Any Time Now.
Anyway, the correct line for installing under woody is deb 
http://ktown.kde.org/~nolden/kde/ woody main

Other than that, I can't help you.

> 2) How can I install a .deb file that I've downloaded with my browser?  (I
> downloaded a game that was a .deb file into my home directory.  I searched
> the /var dir tree and found .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives, so I
> copied the file in there, but "apt-cache search" doesn't show any awareness
> of the downloaded package.)

Apt-get acts as a frontend to dpkg, downloading and installing packages in the 
right order. You can call dpkg directly (dpkg -i) to instll your own 
packages; apt-get will still be aware of it and assume proper dependencies, 
as it shares dpkg's database for that.

> And, if the answer or info I'm looking for isn't in the apt-get man page,
> where would it be?

The APT HowTo and the dpkg man page.
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Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?

[Gary Turner]

Bill Moseley wrote:

>On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Gary Turner wrote:
>
>> Hmm, similar here.  X and icewm--no desktop;
>
>That's what I'm running.
>
>>  1.  Drag with left button to select, or
>>  left click to set the start, then move to the end of the block
>>  and right click to select everything in between,
>>  2.  In the browser, left button and drag to select current URL, and
>>  3.  Middle click to paste/overwrite,
>>  4.  Click "go" or press .
>
>That shouldn't work.  You are creating another selection when you select
>the URL which then replaces the text you selected originally.

You're absolutely right, of course.  I should get my facts straight
before yapping.  The hilite/overwrite thing works with ctl [xc] and
ctl-v.  My bad.
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Re: 2 apt-get questions

[Nick Hastings]

Hi,

* Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030206 15:22]:
> I know this should be very simple and easy to find, but I'm having trouble 
> answering these two questions.  I've been through the apt-get man page a few 
> times.  Since I'm trying to do something on a "one-time-only" basis, this 
> shouldn't be a config problem -- I'd expect it to be available as a command 
> line switch.
> 
> 1) How can I specify the source site to use to retreive a specific package?  
> (In this case, I added download.kde.org with all the info to point to the KDE 
> 3.1 packages, but apt doesn't seem to see anything above KDE 2.2, even after 
> apt-get update).

You can see if the new entry is really being recognised from the
output of apt-get update. Is it listed? If it is, then it sounds like
this problem could be related to the version you are tracking. For
example you might be running unstable, but the line you've added to your
sources.list is for stable (but don't quote me on it).

What happens if you do an "apt-cache search kde"?

Please post the relevant sections of your /etc/apt/sources.list, or
read the apt howto.

apt-get install apt-hotow-en

Then the docs will be placed under /usr/share/doc/Debain/ in all your
favourite formats.

> 
> 2) How can I install a .deb file that I've downloaded with my browser?  (I 
> downloaded a game that was a .deb file into my home directory.  I searched 
> the /var dir tree and found .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives, so I 
> copied the file in there, but "apt-cache search" doesn't show any awareness 
> of the downloaded package.)

Seems there have been plenty of answers regarding this already.


Cheers,

Nick.


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Re: squirrelmail, uw-imapd (and ssl)

[Steve Lamb]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 01:33:21 -0500 (EST)
"Debian User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Squirrelmail shouldn't do ssl. Squirrelmail will connect to
> uw-imapd via the localhost, so you can install uw-imapd (and
> block imap port for remote connections).

You're presuming that Squirrelmail and the mail servers it is going to
connect to are on the same machine.

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Re: 2 apt-get questions

[Steve Wollkind]

On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 01:08:52AM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> 2) How can I install a .deb file that I've downloaded with my browser?  (I 
> downloaded a game that was a .deb file into my home directory.  I searched 
> the /var dir tree and found .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives, so I 
> copied the file in there, but "apt-cache search" doesn't show any awareness 
> of the downloaded package.)

apt-get acquires the .deb files for you and then acts as a front end
for dpkg, the program that actually does the package installing.  man
dpkg should help you some, and I believe that dpkg -i package.deb will
install it for you.  I've rarely done this and I'm not sure how it
interacts with apt-get later (I doubt you can uninstall packages
installed this way with apt-get remove...I would imageine apt is
simply unaware of them, but someone who knows more about this should
comment on it).

Sorry I can't help with the first question, but this should get you
started for the second :)

Steve

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Re: 2 apt-get questions

[Kent West]

Hal Vaughan wrote:


I know this should be very simple and easy to find, but I'm having trouble 
answering these two questions.  I've been through the apt-get man page a few 
times.  Since I'm trying to do something on a "one-time-only" basis, this 
shouldn't be a config problem -- I'd expect it to be available as a command 
line switch.

1) How can I specify the source site to use to retreive a specific package?  
(In this case, I added download.kde.org with all the info to point to the KDE 
3.1 packages, but apt doesn't seem to see anything above KDE 2.2, even after 
apt-get update).
 

If you've added the lines to /etc/apt/sources.list, apt should see the 
archives there. 'Fraid I can't help on this one; perhaps someone else 
will be able to.

2) How can I install a .deb file that I've downloaded with my browser?  (I 
downloaded a game that was a .deb file into my home directory.  I searched 
the /var dir tree and found .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives, so I 
copied the file in there, but "apt-cache search" doesn't show any awareness 
of the downloaded package.)

 

"dpkg -i foo.deb" in the directory in which foo.deb is located.


And, if the answer or info I'm looking for isn't in the apt-get man page, 
where would it be?

 


For the second question, "man dpkg", but you'd first need to know that 
apt is a front-end for dpkg, which is the real installation engine. I 
thought maybe "apropos deb | grep install" would turn up something, but 
it didn't, but "apropos deb" did turn up a big list, in which dpkg is 
listed as "a medium-level package manager for Debian" ("man apropos" for 
more info on apropos). Of course, that's not very plain either. So maybe 
search the Debian archives or do a google.



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perl 5.6.1-8.2 in testing?

[Travis Crump]

Not that I am complaining because security updates are always good, but 
how exactly did perl 5.6.1-8.2 make it into testing sometime in the last 
couple of days?  It didn't come from unstable, because unstable moved to 
perl 5.8.0 a while ago, and I didn't know that there /was/ any other way 
for updated software to make its way into testing.  It appears to have 
originally been a stable security update from the end of November.  For 
it to just now make it to testing implies that someone made a special 
effort to upload it, but noone cares about security updates for testing, 
right?  This is just an abject curiosity question to see if anyone can 
explain the mystery...


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Re: squirrelmail, uw-imapd (and ssl)

[Debian User]

Squirrelmail shouldn't do ssl. Squirrelmail will connect to
uw-imapd via the localhost, so you can install uw-imapd (and
block imap port for remote connections). When you config
squirrelmail with the perl script, config it to use https,
then the connection/authentication to squirrelmail is ssl
protected. Also, you don't need to tls nor any special config
to exim/postfix/etc since again squirrelmail connects via
localhost to send email. Exim's default config will relay
localhost.
its a really great solution as squirrelmail is very very
convient since the only client you need is a browser.


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segfault in libfontconfig.so?

[Bill Moseley]

Hum, with all this talk of Highlighting and browsers, bot Opera and
Mozilla are now broken for me.  Mozilla was eathing all CPU (stuck in a
read() call) but was fixed by mv .mozilla .mozilla.old.

Opera on the other hand is now segfaulting -- well gdb reports:

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[Switching to Thread 16384 (LWP 823)]
0x402c07cb in FcCharSetEqual () from /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so

I removed and reinstalled Opera (before I realized it was not Opera).

Any ideas on fixing? 

I think I'm going to be happy that I've got /home and /usr/local on
separate partitions from everything else.  This machine has so many issues
that I feel a reinstall coming on...

(gdb) bt
#0  0x402c07cb in FcCharSetEqual () from /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
#1  0x402c79fe in FcValueEqual () from /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
#2  0x402c7c0a in FcValueEqual () from /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
#3  0x402c7fd4 in FcValueListReport () from /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
#4  0x402c82ce in FcPatternFreeze () from /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
#5  0x402bc7f5 in FcBlanksIsMember () from /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
#6  0x402bdac6 in FcDirCacheReadDir () from /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
#7  0x402c2fa6 in FcDirScan () from /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
#8  0x402be42d in FcConfigBuildFonts () from /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
#9  0x402c3e20 in FcInitLoadConfigAndFonts () from
/usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
#10 0x402c3e67 in FcInit () from /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
#11 0x402be537 in FcConfigGetCurrent () from /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
#12 0x402c5730 in FcFontList () from /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
#13 0x40364fac in XftListFontsPatternObjects () from
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so.2
#14 0x403650a3 in XftListFonts () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so.2
#15 0x08284e9d in mallopt ()




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Re: KDE 3.1 in sid

[Arne Goetje]

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On Thursday 06 February 2003 05:17, Rudy Gevaert wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 06:45:54AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > KDE starts drifting into sid!  .debs at 11:00 (-0100).  There's some
> > kde related debs on incoming.debian.org that should be in tonight's
> > update.
>
> Before I upgrade my system, does anyone experience some fallbacks?
> Upgrading that doesn't work?

Be sure that beside libarts1 you also install libarts1-dev. Otherwise you 
will end up having an unusable KDE system, because knotify (the crash 
handler) depends on a library that is only in the dev package and will 
crash continiously and fill up your screen with crash notices when it 
doesn't find that library... :(

But besides of that it is just wonderful... :)

Cheers
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2 apt-get questions

[Hal Vaughan]

I know this should be very simple and easy to find, but I'm having trouble 
answering these two questions.  I've been through the apt-get man page a few 
times.  Since I'm trying to do something on a "one-time-only" basis, this 
shouldn't be a config problem -- I'd expect it to be available as a command 
line switch.

1) How can I specify the source site to use to retreive a specific package?  
(In this case, I added download.kde.org with all the info to point to the KDE 
3.1 packages, but apt doesn't seem to see anything above KDE 2.2, even after 
apt-get update).

2) How can I install a .deb file that I've downloaded with my browser?  (I 
downloaded a game that was a .deb file into my home directory.  I searched 
the /var dir tree and found .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives, so I 
copied the file in there, but "apt-cache search" doesn't show any awareness 
of the downloaded package.)

And, if the answer or info I'm looking for isn't in the apt-get man page, 
where would it be?

Thanks!

Hal


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Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?

[Bill Moseley]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Gary Turner wrote:

> Hmm, similar here.  X and icewm--no desktop;

That's what I'm running.

>   1.  Drag with left button to select, or
>   left click to set the start, then move to the end of the block
>   and right click to select everything in between,
>   2.  In the browser, left button and drag to select current URL, and
>   3.  Middle click to paste/overwrite,
>   4.  Click "go" or press .

That shouldn't work.  You are creating another selection when you select
the URL which then replaces the text you selected originally.

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Re: fstab entry for NTFS formatted drive

[Steve Wollkind]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 03:24:59PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> 
> OTOH read-only seems very stable.  My "solution" when I must have a
> box dual booting linux and something that prefers NTFS (win2k, NT 4,
> XP) is to create two partitions for windows; the "root" I format with
> NTFS and the other with FAT.  This partition is a "data store" and can
> be safely mounted rw in linux.

This may be slightly OT (a little more windows than linux), but it's closer 
to the mark than the columbia thread ;)

I recently changed from fat to NTFS on my box and happened across this
nice little file system driver for win2k/NT/XP that allows you to
mount ext2/3 file systems natively under windows.  It is also read
only, but at least this way you can transfer files either way.
Admittedly you have to boot into the OS that is going to be
"receiving" files, but it's better than nothing, and I only need 1
copy of all my mp3's :)

http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm

(Link verified this time)

Steve

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Re: Add software RAID to woody box with ext3 fs

[Steve Wollkind]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:12:15AM +0100, Alex Polite wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 08:25:54PM -0600, Steve Wollkind wrote:
> 
> > http://www.winamp.com/components/detail.jhtml?componentId=123836
> 

Way to be a moron in my first debian-user post!

Here is the correct URL.  I'm really sorry about that.  Anyway, it's
pretty good and has a section on converting a non RAID system to RAID.
That section is actually about a red hat system, but I don't see
anything really red hat specific in it, so I think it is relevant.

http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html

Steve

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Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?

[Bill Moseley]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Nick Hastings wrote:

> The don't do it!

> 2.
> If you use Galeon:
> 
> - Left double click URL in xterm (to highlight URL)
> - Middle click in _body_ of galeon
> 
> I suspect other browsers have this feature too.

Yep, that's much better.  Time to get back to Galeon.

I haven't liked Mozilla much lately. Somethings make it eat all CPU. And
it drives me crazy if I want to do a search by typing the keywords in the
Location field yet forget to select the drop down box for google (so it
then thinks I've type a URL).  Then once that happens I can no longer do a
search -- it always thinks I'm typing in an invalid URL.  Mozilla 1.2.1-9.


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Re: imapd hanging connections?

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Robert L. Harris wrote:

>
>
> On my debian unstable system I have:
> ii  uw-imapd   2002b.debian-5 remote mail folder access server
> ii  uw-imapd-ssl   2002b.debian-5 Dummy upgrade package for uw-imapd
>
> My wife connects to this via Mozilla from her desktop (win 2000 for
> now).  Often she'll click the little X to close the window.  When she
> opens a new session it usually won't allow her to connect.  A "ps" on my
> mailserver shows multiple imapd's running.  When I kill them off she can
> connect just fine.
>
> Not sure how long this has been a problem, she just told me now it's
> been going on for a while.
>
> Any thoughts?
>

Sounds like a locking problem.  In the mbox format one folder = one file.
This means if two concurrent imap processes try to access the same folder,
the second gets locked out. The workaround is to use a format like maildir
where one file = one message so locking can be finer-grained.

But the real question is why is mozilla mail not closing the IMAP
connection on exit thus leaving stale imapds around?

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Re: squirrelmail, uw-imapd (and ssl)

[Steve Lamb]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:20:55 -0500 (EST)
"Jaldhar H. Vyas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You do know the Debian uw-imapd package supports maildir right?

Erm, actually I didn't.  I'll have to go diving into the manuals.  It had
picked up on mbox so I just presumed since it was explicitly stated in the
apt cache like it is for courier that it didn't.  

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[OT] USB -> Ethernet adapters

[Jacob S .]

Looking at the device compatability list on www.linux-usb.org it looks
like these adapters are supported fairly well. I was wondering though if
anyone has had any experience with them, good or bad, and what their
recommendation would be for purchasing a new one.

TIA,
Jacob

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Re: squirrelmail, uw-imapd (and ssl)

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Steve Lamb wrote:

> Rats.  I wanted to have courier since it does maildir

You do know the Debian uw-imapd package supports maildir right?

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Re: squirrelmail, uw-imapd (and ssl)

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, John M Flinchbaugh wrote:

> that LOGINDISABLED seems to mean that normal non-tls auths are
> disabled.  i have it listening to imap2 and imaps:

Somehow you seem to have missed the debconf question about enabling
plaintext authentication.

# dpkg-reconfigure libc-client2002


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RE: KDE freezes after apt-get upgrade

[dbalder]

>Does the whole machine lock up, or just X? Can you Ctrl-Alt-F2 to the
second virtual terminal? Can you telnet/ssh in to the box? Can you ping the
box?

>If "no" to the last two questions, do you have an eepro100 NIC? I ask, because I have 
>a machine that kept locking up totally during network activity;
 turned out to be a bug in the NIC driver; had to use a utility (don't remember which 
now, but it's apt-gettable) to change a setting in the NIC's
PROM, which solved the problem.

>Kent


Hi Kent,

Unfortunately I must answer no to all of the above.

I was unable to Ctrl-Alt-F2 to the second virtual terminal. I was running gkrellm at 
the time and all indicators froze. I was on ppp connection when
it happened.
Strange indeed. It never happened before.


Davor



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Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?

[Gary Turner]

Kent West wrote:

>Bill Moseley wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Thorsten Haude wrote:

>>>
>>>* Timothy Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-05 18:27]:
>>>
Have a read at what a horrible nightmare cut&paste is under X.
http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html

>>>I can't find any thing horrible in this text.
>>>
>>
>>I actually like two buffers.  Not that it always works.
>>
>>Although what I don't like is 
>>
>>- double-click a URL in some text in xterm
>>- move to mozilla
>>- click in the Location box
>>- move hand keyboard to type ^U to clear
>>- move hand back
>>- middle click to paste
>>
>>I'm sure someone will point out an easier way.
>>
>>At least in Opera I can right click and select "Clear" to keep from moving
>>my hand too and from the keyboard.

>>
>It's kind of ugly, but what I do is click at the very front of the URL 
>I'm replacing, then middle click to paste, then move hand to keyboard 
>and Shift-End, Delete, Enter, move hand back to mouse if needed. Your 
>method seems better if you're going back to the mouse anyway; mine seems 
>better if you plan to stay at the keyboard. But you're right, a better 
>method would be nice.
>
Hmm, similar here.  X and icewm--no desktop;
1.  Drag with left button to select, or
left click to set the start, then move to the end of the block
and right click to select everything in between,
2.  In the browser, left button and drag to select current URL, and
3.  Middle click to paste/overwrite,
4.  Click "go" or press .

It seems that in many, if not all, X apps Ctl[axcv] and shift-left click
mimic the same commands in Windows.  In addition you have cut/copy/paste
in xterm and console.  Try that in DOS.
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Boot fails at: starting FAM ... ...

[Dan Hunt]

I can't restart my Woody with a custom 2.4.18 without it hanging at this point.

~much complaining about firewall rules that cannot be started, do you need to
insmod? and like~

touch: creating `/var/lock/subsys/bastille-firewall': No such file or directory
Starting file alteration monitor: FAM

The systen hang's at this point.

I have a boot floppy, install c.d.'s, a rescue partition, and knoppix. 

How do I mount and edit the startup sequence to avoid this? 

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Re: KDE freezes after apt-get upgrade

[Kent West]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi all,

Yesterday I finally got to upgrade my woody box. Later I noticed that the
system froze when I was performing apt-get upgrade from debian security
repository (whish was not available before).

Has anybody else notice this? The problem happened while I was opening a
pdf file from my email. I tried to save it and the system got frozen. I
waited about 10-15 minutes and then I had to reset.

The same problem happened after I restarted. I continued to upgrade the
system and the system froze while I was downloading my email (this should
not be *that* demanding I thought).

I didn't try this with gnome. I found this started happening after I
upgraded a lot of kde-related stuff... I am still to upgrade quite a few
packages from seciruty.debian.org. Could this be the cause of this
temporary instability?

Just wondering


TIA

Davor



 

Does the whole machine lock up, or just X? Can you Ctrl-Alt-F2 to the 
second virtual terminal? Can you telnet/ssh in to the box? Can you ping 
the box?

If "no" to the last two questions, do you have an eepro100 NIC? I ask, 
because I have a machine that kept locking up totally during network 
activity; turned out to be a bug in the NIC driver; had to use a utility 
(don't remember which now, but it's apt-gettable) to change a setting in 
the NIC's PROM, which solved the problem.

Kent




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Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 11:00:45AM +0900, Nick Hastings wrote:
| * Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030206 10:41]:

| > Although what I don't like is 
| > 
| > - double-click a URL in some text in xterm
| > - move to mozilla
| > - click in the Location box
| > - move hand keyboard to type ^U to clear
| > - move hand back
| > - middle click to paste

| If you use Galeon:
| 
| - Left double click URL in xterm (to highlight URL)
| - Middle click in _body_ of galeon

This works for plain mozilla too, but not for the snapshots!
If the lack of this feature persists in the snapshots (ie once they
are "stable") I'll need to file a bug report.

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KDE freezes after apt-get upgrade

[dbalder]

Hi all,

Yesterday I finally got to upgrade my woody box. Later I noticed that the
system froze when I was performing apt-get upgrade from debian security
repository (whish was not available before).

Has anybody else notice this? The problem happened while I was opening a
pdf file from my email. I tried to save it and the system got frozen. I
waited about 10-15 minutes and then I had to reset.

The same problem happened after I restarted. I continued to upgrade the
system and the system froze while I was downloading my email (this should
not be *that* demanding I thought).

I didn't try this with gnome. I found this started happening after I
upgraded a lot of kde-related stuff... I am still to upgrade quite a few
packages from seciruty.debian.org. Could this be the cause of this
temporary instability?

Just wondering


TIA

Davor



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Re: Install prob - motherboard?

[Kent West]

Darren wrote:


I have just got a fairly new computer and would like to install debian 
on it.  When I tried Debian 3.0  (it came on a DVD) it works ok until 
the point where you select the media to install from (network, fd0 and 
suchlike) there is no cdrom option.  When I attempt to mount the cdrom 
drive from the command line (ctrl alt F2) I find that Debian is not 
recognizing ide1 at all.  (Mandrake 9.0 and Knoppix will install ok, 
but they do not work properly.  I think the chipset needs the 2.4.21 
kernel.  Redhat 8.0 won't install)


Are you sure it's on IDE1? What mount command are you using (mount 
/dev/hdc1 /cdrom)? Does dmesg have any messages about your CDROM drive? 
What about BIOS settings (even though they're generally ignored by 
Linux, I'd still check it out)?

Kent





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Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?

[Kent West]

Bill Moseley wrote:


On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Thorsten Haude wrote:

 

Hi,

* Timothy Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-05 18:27]:
   

Have a read at what a horrible nightmare cut&paste is under X.
http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html
 

I can't find any thing horrible in this text.
   


I actually like two buffers.  Not that it always works.

Although what I don't like is 

- double-click a URL in some text in xterm
- move to mozilla
- click in the Location box
- move hand keyboard to type ^U to clear
- move hand back
- middle click to paste

I'm sure someone will point out an easier way.

At least in Opera I can right click and select "Clear" to keep from moving
my hand too and from the keyboard.


 

It's kind of ugly, but what I do is click at the very front of the URL 
I'm replacing, then middle click to paste, then move hand to keyboard 
and Shift-End, Delete, Enter, move hand back to mouse if needed. Your 
method seems better if you're going back to the mouse anyway; mine seems 
better if you plan to stay at the keyboard. But you're right, a better 
method would be nice.

Kent




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Re: mouse scrolling wheel borked after upgrade

[Kent West]

Nori Heikkinen wrote:


on Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:34:30AM -0600, Kent West insinuated:
 

Nori Heikkinen wrote:
   

i'm running a testing/unstable system.  after an upgrade of 94
packages last night (i know; i should do it more frequently --
that's why i did it now, to start), the only thing i can find that
has broken is the scrolling wheel on the mouse.  not bad for that
big an upgrade!  but i want it back ... scanning the list of
packages (following), i can't find any that would have affected
this.

anyone run into this? 

thanks,





 

Check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4:

Section "InputDevice"
  Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
  Driver  "mouse"
  Option  "CorePointer"
  Option  "Device""/dev/gpmdata" (if 
running gpm with repeat=raw, otherwise /dev/psaux, probably)
  Option  "Protocol"  "ImPS/2"
  Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
EndSection
   


exactly that.  well, i have the protocol set to "PS/2", but changing
it and /etc/init.d/gpm/stopping and then starting doesn't affect the
scrolliness at all.



 

Sorry, I'm not quite following if you mean you have "PS/2" in gpm or X 
or both. If you're running gpm (and it seems that you are), you'll want 
it to be "IMPS/2" in both gpm ("/etc/gpm.conf" followed by 
"/etc/init.d/gpm restart", or run "gpmconfig") and in X 
("/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" followed by a restart of X, or run 
"dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" followed by a restart of X).

Kent




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Re: Nautilus

[Mark L. Kahnt]

On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 19:04, Oki DZ wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I installed Sid's Nautilus yesterday; the icons were gone. I'm now having
> the standard icon for everything (files, dirs). Is that a bug?
> Pointers please...
> 
> BTW, I think Nautilus is much faster now.
> 
> Oki
>  

I just went two weeks through that - with Gnome 2.2, there is now an
"Icon Theme" setting that needs to be selected via your preferred gconf
tool - iirc, the key to set is /desktop/gnome/interface/icon_theme, and
for the icons you need, install gnome-icon-theme as well.

And yes, due to yanking out some of the potential future functionality
and abstractions of Nautilus, it does run faster. Not as fast as "ls",
but faster than it used to.
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samba plus nfs, or only samba - 3 pcs

[Jason M. Harvey]

hello,

i have my debian box acting as a server and a gateway for my lan. i had
a "multi-booting" pc on the lan, which i just upgraded the hardware on.
this will be my son's windoze box. right now i am running samba between
the two. now i can use his old box as a debian workstation. i am
thinking of running nfs between the server and workstation, but will
still need samba for the windoze box.

any suggestions on whether i should ran both samba and nfs, or should i
stick with samba alone since i'm already using it? performance?

tia,
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Re: Printer Problems

[Jerome Acks Jr]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 10:38:32AM -0500, Thomas H. George,,, wrote:
> I have three standalone systems all with cupsys, cupsomatic, cupsys-bsd, 
> cupsys-driver-gimpprint, gimp1.2, gimp1.2-print and kdelibs3-cups:
> 
>Debian Woody, 2.4.18 kernel with HP Deskjet 940c, Foomatic+hpijs 
> (my daughter)
> 
>Debian Woody,  2.4.18 kernel with Brother HL-730, Foomatic+hl7x0   
> (my grandsons)
> 
>Debian Testing, 2.4.20 kernel with  Epson Stylus Color 860, 
> CUPS+GIMP-print v4.2.2-pre2  (mine)
> 
> The problem: Printing a simple ASCII file (printtest) from a terminal. 
> The results of lp printtest are as follows:
> 
>Brother HL-730:OK.  Prints the 
> file with no problems.
> 
>HP Deskjet 940c: Ejects a blank 
> page.
> 
>Epson Stylus Color 860:Nothing.  There is an error in 
> /var/log/cups/error_log
>
> (See previous posting, Gimp Print Problem
>  
> (for details.)
> 

If you "cp printtest printtest.txt" and then "lp printtest.txt", do
you get the same results?

Also, please post output of "head --lines=20 /etc/cups/ppd/*".

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Re: nao consigo montar cdrom

[Roberto Sanchez]

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	Olás,

> Alterei o fstab para:
> /dev/hdd/cdrom1  iso9660 user0   0
> /dev/hda2   /c-fat   vfatuser0   0
> /dev/scd0   /cdrom   iso9660 user0   0
>
> Tinha que funcionar...
> Creio que tem algo mais errado vejam o final do dmesg:

	Eu nunca tinha visto erros assim em cdrom... só em HDD. Mas isso
	geralmente é mau sinal, todos os HDD's que eu vi darem esse
	problema morreram logo em seguida...

> hdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> hdd: command error: error=0x55
> end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64
> ATAPI device hdd:
>   Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05)
>   Illegal mode for this track or incompatible medium -- (asc=0x64,
> ascq=0x00) isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:40,
> iso_blknum=16, block=32 attempt to access beyond end of device
> 0b:00: rw=0, want=33, limit=2
> dev 0b:00 blksize=1024 blocknr=32 sector=64 size=1024 count=1
> isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=0b:00, iso_blknum=16, block=32
> hdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> hdd: command error: error=0x55
> end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64
> ATAPI device hdd:
>   Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05)
>   Illegal mode for this track or incompatible medium -- (asc=0x64,
> ascq=0x00) isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:40,
> iso_blknum=16, block=32 attempt to access beyond end of device
> 0b:00: rw=0, want=33, limit=2
> dev 0b:00 blksize=1024 blocknr=32 sector=64 size=1024 count=1
> isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=0b:00, iso_blknum=16, block=32

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Francisco,

Creo que necesitas agregarle un "noauto" a las lineas de CD-ROM.  
Acuerdate que al principio de todo, el kernel ejecuta a 'mount -a' para 
montar todas cosas listado en el /etc/fstab.  Si le pones un "noauto" 
entonces cuando vaya a ejecutar el 'mount -a' el sistema ignora a esa linea.

Debe parecer a lo siguiente:

/dev/hdd/cdrom1  iso9660 user,noauto   0   0
/dev/hda2   /c-fat   vfatuser  0   0
/dev/scd0   /cdrom   iso9660 user,noauto   0   0

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Install prob - motherboard?

[Darren]

I have just got a fairly new computer and would like to install debian on it.  When I tried Debian 3.0  (it came on a DVD) it works ok until the point where you select the media to install from (network, fd0 and suchlike) there is no cdrom option.  When I attempt to mount the cdrom drive from the command line (ctrl alt F2) I find that Debian is not recognizing ide1 at all.  (Mandrake 9.0 and Knoppix will install ok, but they do not work properly.  I think the chipset needs the 2.4.21 kernel.  Redhat 8.0 won't install)



My specs are:

   AOpen MX46U2 motherboard

   Chipset:  SiS 650GX/962L

   P4 2.4GHz

   NVidia GeForce 4

   



TIA



Darren

Re: squirrelmail, uw-imapd (and ssl)

[Steve Lamb]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:17:16 -0800
Peter Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have squirrelmail and courier imap working with no problems. I am
> using woody, though.

Rats.  I wanted to have courier since it does maildir and moving between
Squirrelmail using mbox and Sylpheed-claws using maildir was a pain.  OTOH
from what I saw courier and SC wouldn't share maildbs anyway.

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Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?

[Nick Hastings]

* Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030206 10:41]:
> On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Thorsten Haude wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > * Timothy Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-05 18:27]:
> > >Have a read at what a horrible nightmare cut&paste is under X.
> > >http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html
> > 
> > I can't find any thing horrible in this text.
> 
> I actually like two buffers.  Not that it always works.
> 
> Although what I don't like is 
> 
> - double-click a URL in some text in xterm
> - move to mozilla
> - click in the Location box
> - move hand keyboard to type ^U to clear
> - move hand back
> - middle click to paste

The don't do it!

> I'm sure someone will point out an easier way.

Easier Ways:

1.
If you use gnome-terminal the above simplifies to:

- right click URL in gnome-terminal
- Select "Open Link" from the popup menu.

I suspect other "fancy" terminal emulators have similar features.

2.
If you use Galeon:

- Left double click URL in xterm (to highlight URL)
- Middle click in _body_ of galeon

I suspect other browsers have this feature too.

Cheers,

Nick.



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Re: mounting filesystems

[alex]

You can also access XP from Linux in the same way.

# cd /mnt; mkdir xp
follow the alias pattern for Windows98--use the appropriate 
partition in /dev/hdx and the proper filesystem for XP if it
isn't vfatuse /mnt/xp.   I'd name the aliases  xp+  and xp-

alex wrote:
If I correctly understand what you want, you may like the way this works.

  # cd /mnt; mkdir da1
  # alias win+='mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1; cd /mnt/da1; ls -aF 
--color=auto'
  # alias win-='cd; umount /mnt/da1'
-

  # win+  (this should show all your Win files--
   you can move/copy data back and forth
   between Linux and Win and more)

   Be sure after you're finished:
  # win-

I have these two aliases plus many more in /root/.bashrc .
Very handy to access other OS, CDROM, floppies, Zipdisks
with a simple command, like  (examples) wflop+ or lflop+
+ to access and - to exit.


David Turetsky wrote:

I am trying to read the Windows filesystems on my linux/W98/XP system. 
Despite reusing the same entries I had in Potato in addition to those 
generated by Woody, and checking google re ntfs entries, I am unable 
to see those Windows filesystems, even the W98 filesystems I read on 
the same drive under Woody

 

When I manually try to mount them, for example, ?mount ?a?, I get 
mount point /c does not exist and same for /d and /e

 

Similarly, these entries do not show up in /etc/mtab

 

Here is my /etc fstab entries:

 

/dev/hda1 /c vfat defaults 0 0

/dev/hda5 / ext2 errors=remount-ro

/dev/hda6 none swap sw 0 0

/dev/hda8 /d vfat defaults 0 0

/dev/hde1 /e ntfs ro,auto,owner 0 0

proc /proc proc defaults 0 0

/dev/fd0 /floppy auto user,noauto 0 0

/dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0

 

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Re: Building an IMAP server

[nate]

Hans Wilmer said:

> What's the better way to go when building a new server? Should I start
> with 2.x or stay at 1.5?

If it were me, I would use 1.5. See my other posts with the maintainer
of the cyrus 2 packages for debian for why. It really depends on your
requirements. cyrus 1.5 is VERY VERY old and does not have near the
feature set that cyrus 2 has(e.g. sieve filtering for server-side
filtering). But the flip side, is it is "tried and true".

> But how do users authenticate when they're not local users? I'm
> currently stuck with LDAP; seems I can't get it to work, and I didn't find
> helpful documentation yet. And SASL is another thing unknown to me.

I personally think sasl is a pain in the ass from my brief exposure
of looking at some of the docs. Not something I look forward to using,
though it looks like it may be required in future versions of debian,
luckily debian has a long release cycle so it may be upwards of 1-2
years before I have to worry :) by then it may of gotten better.

If you do use LDAP, and you use libnss-ldap(to lookup account info
in the LDAP database for stuff like finger, ssh, etc) you cannot
use cyrus 2.x. There's a library conflict w/sasl which totally
hoses the system. Which is one reason why I won't be using cyrus
2 anytime soon. I'd expect this issue to be eventually resolved
perhaps in the comming year or 2, especially as more users start
to use this new sasl library, LDAP authentication is becomming
more common.

> Hm, courier is fairly easy to setup, but it's slow on larger
> mailboxes. It's ok with only a few users, but nonetheless you'll
> probably not be happy with it on larger mailboxes.

thats good to know, I haven't tried it myself, I migrated my last
company from UW IMAP to Cyrus(upgraded hardware at the same time),
my boss did some testing and noticed a near 20x improvement in
performance for large mailboxes(10k+ messages). Since i use webmail
I need to keep folder sizes small(folders I routinely access I try
to keep under 500 messages, my archive folders have 1500+), just so
that folder access is near instantaneous. If you use a mail client
which caches data such as netscape, mozilla, and I think even outlook
caches data, response time will be near immediate for even huge
mailboxes. Keep in mind to use a good file system or at least tune
your filesystem if you plan to have tens/hundreds of thousands of
small files. I hear reiserfs is good for this.

>> > + What's the best way to do backups and restores?
>>
>> just tar up the user's mail folder(/var/spool/cyrus/mail/user/$USER).
>
> Can exim be suspended somehow so that it keeps incoming mails in the queue
> instead of delivering it during backup or recovery operations?

not sure, haven't used exim myself, when I did migrations I just stopped
the SMTP server, if you time it right(e.g. with scripts) you can migrate
a mail box in maybe 10 seconds, hardly noticable. When I was doing real
time migrations I would use rsync, and have it update everything then
run the cyrus commands to rebuild, could sync 20 mailboxes in ~25-30
seconds(via T1 link over VPN to the other side of the U.S.)

> Uh! What are you doing with so many accounts? Isn't it easier to have
> server side filtering to direct mail into appropriate folders?

cyrus 1.5 has no such support. And even if it did, there really is
no way to determine what address the email was sent to. especially in
the case of spam. Newer mail servers add something like a Delivered-To:
header(perhaps exim does, I use postfix) but my current installation
does not provide such information, so I cannot rely upon something like
procmail or sieve to filter mail. I personally find it useful to see
what email addresses recieve what spam, and by having each email box
have it's own account, it makes it impossible(?) for incorrect filtering.

and as an added bonus I can recieve email without seeing it in my
client(some email addresses I check only a few times a year).

also keep in mind cyrus is generally a one way trip, I haven't seen
any tools that allow for easy migration away from it. when I migrated
from UW imap to cyrus I had users manually copy their email(using their
IMAP clients) to the new system, it worked well. I gave them about a 2
month grace period. If you have a lot of users this may not be an
easy solution(my company had ~50 employees at the time). There was
a script that allowed for automated migration but it was marked
experimental at the time so I didn't risk it, did the migration
manually. Cyrus did not accept messages with null bytes in them so
some mail had to be lost(or printed), but maybe 1 in 20,000 messages
had a null byte, wasn't an issue for any of the users. I think there
was only 2 or 3 messages that were affected accross the entire userbase
I had.


nate




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Re: no PPP after Kernel Compile

[Mark Roach]

On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 13:50, Doug MacFarlane wrote:
> I compiled my own kernel and went through and turned off a bunch of stuff
> in the .config that I knew I didn't need.
> 
> It boots MUCH faster now!!
> 
> But, my pppoe connection didn't come back up.  plog (syslog) reports:
> 
>  Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument
> 
> What did I turn off that I shouldn't have?  I re-ran pppoeconf and everything
> went fine, but it didn't start.

check your kernel ppp config options, for example, the default debian
kernel package for 2.4.19 looks like this

mrroach@flmrroach:~$ grep PPP /boot/config-2.4.19-686
CONFIG_PPP=m
CONFIG_PPP_MULTILINK=y
CONFIG_PPP_FILTER=y
CONFIG_PPP_ASYNC=m
CONFIG_PPP_SYNC_TTY=m
CONFIG_PPP_DEFLATE=m
CONFIG_PPP_BSDCOMP=m
CONFIG_PPPOE=m
CONFIG_PPPOATM=m
CONFIG_COMX_PROTO_PPP=m
CONFIG_SYNCLINK_SYNCPPP=m
CONFIG_HDLC_PPP=y
CONFIG_WANPIPE_PPP=y
CONFIG_WANPIPE_MULTPPP=y
CONFIG_ISDN_PPP=y
CONFIG_ISDN_PPP_VJ=y
CONFIG_ISDN_PPP_BSDCOMP=m

if you have any 'N's where you should have 'M's or 'Y's that would be a
likely culprit.

-Mark


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Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?

[Bill Moseley]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Thorsten Haude wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> * Timothy Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-05 18:27]:
> >Have a read at what a horrible nightmare cut&paste is under X.
> >http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html
> 
> I can't find any thing horrible in this text.

I actually like two buffers.  Not that it always works.

Although what I don't like is 

- double-click a URL in some text in xterm
- move to mozilla
- click in the Location box
- move hand keyboard to type ^U to clear
- move hand back
- middle click to paste

I'm sure someone will point out an easier way.

At least in Opera I can right click and select "Clear" to keep from moving
my hand too and from the keyboard.


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Re: squirrelmail, uw-imapd (and ssl)

[Peter Hicks]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 07:39:32AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:47:22 -0500
>John M Flinchbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> i need:
>> a) to get squirrelmail to do ssl
>> b) get uw-imapd to not require ssl
>> c) find an imap implementation that actually works with squirrelmail.
> 
>> any recommendations?
> 
>Erm, hate to say it but uw-imapd is the only one I have found that does
>work with Squirrelmail.  Courier certainly didn't.  Here's what I've got
>installed at present which is working like a champ.
>
>ii  uw-imapd   2002b.debian-5 remote mail folder access server
>ii  squirrelmail   1.3.2+1.4.0rc1 Webmail for nuts
>
>

I have squirrelmail and courier imap working with no problems. I am
using woody, though.

ii  courier-maildr 0.37.3-2.3 Mail delivery agent with filtering abilities
ii  squirrelmail   1.2.6-1.3  Webmail for nuts

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Re: no PPP after Kernel Compile

[Vineet Kumar]

* Doug MacFarlane ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030205 11:06]:
> 
> I compiled my own kernel and went through and turned off a bunch of stuff
> in the .config that I knew I didn't need.
> 
> It boots MUCH faster now!!
> 
> But, my pppoe connection didn't come back up.  plog (syslog) reports:
> 
>  Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument
> 
> What did I turn off that I shouldn't have?  I re-ran pppoeconf and everything
> went fine, but it didn't start.

CONFIG_PPP and/or CONFIG_PPPOE perhaps?

good times,
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RE: fstab entry for NTFS formatted drive

[David Turetsky]

>>> On 04 Feb 2003, 21:58:58, David Turetsky wrote:

   I have a hard drive running Windows XP Professional under NTFS 
   format
   
   I'd like to access that drive from my Woody system but I can't 
   locate a suitable file type for an /etc/fstab entry


>>> Doug MacFarlane:

   /dev/hda1/winntfs ro,noauto,user 0   0

>>> Rodrigo Agerri:

   OTOH read-only seems very stable.  My "solution" when I must have a
   box dual booting linux and something that prefers NTFS (win2k, NT 4,
   XP) is to create two partitions for windows; the "root" I format with
   NTFS and the other with FAT.  This partition is a "data store" and
   can be safely mounted rw in linux.

>>> David Turetsky:

   I am now successfully reading the ntfs filesystems from linux as
   above. Each of those two drives with ntfs filesystems also have fat32
   filesystems on them. After an initial success, I can't read them,
   although I corrected (from all hdex to hde and hdf) the fstab
   entries. I've tried hde2/hdf2 hde5/hdf5... This is how then now look:

/dev/hde2   /f  vfatdefault 0 0

/dev/hdf2   /h  vfatdefault 0 0


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RE: crc error

[David Turetsky]

On Wednesday 05 February 2003 18:59, David Turetsky wrote:

   ... Crc error ... System halted
  
   I believe crc is 'cyclic redundancy check' which I take to mean a
hard
   drive read error
  
   Does this imply that my IBM Deskstar 32gb hdd, a friend these last 3
½
   years,  is increasingly showing symptoms of Alzheimer's disease? Am I
   indeed unwise to continue to use it and should instead install linux
on
   one of my newer drives? Or can some lilo (or other) setting be
tweaked
   to resolve this?

>>> Nicos replied:

   Considering that this is the worst startup error I've seen on this
list
   yet and the type and age of the disk, I'd consider shopping for a new
   one in any case. The "workaround" of power cycling the machine is
   another hint toward a technical failure, so get your important stuff
off
   that drive.

   And stop using Outlook, please! Not because I hate MS but because the
   formatting (searching polite word. none found.) stinks.

>>> David:

My data is completely backup up at present and my plans are
to use the linux partition for utilities. The problem never presents
itself when I boot up under a Windows environment, and at least for
this afternoon, when I allow lilo to just time out and select linux,
the crc check doesn't present itself. But this has been going on for
about two years (previously running Potato), so it makes one wonder
whether it is indeed portending a hardware failure
  
I was using mutt as my mailer but I'm not yet fully set up on my
linux box. In the meantime, vim to the rescue


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Nautilus

[Oki DZ]

Hi,

I installed Sid's Nautilus yesterday; the icons were gone. I'm now having
the standard icon for everything (files, dirs). Is that a bug?
Pointers please...

BTW, I think Nautilus is much faster now.

Oki
 


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Re: Reasons for removing packages from Debian

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:21:28PM +, Carlos Sousa wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 02:04:18 + Colin Watson wrote:
> > Try . Most of my answers
> > above came from there.
> 
> Thanks, that was the answer I expected. I didn't want you to waste your
> time looking for each individual reason yourself. Thanks, once again.
> 
> I have the impression there is no place where such removals can be
> consistently logged, perhaps defined by policy. That's a pity.

That is the place where they're consistently logged: the tools the
ftpmasters use to remove packages automatically log there, I believe.

The only exceptions are packages from before that log was introduced (of
course), and non-US packages (which are logged in
http://non-us.debian.org/~troup/removals.txt, but much of that was lost
in the University of Twente fire that destroyed satie.debian.org).

Cheers,

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Re: modem / pon / serial problems

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 10:14:36PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:50:43PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > So: the main box is 192.168.1.1, the modem box is 192.168.1.2. I add
> > "gateway 192.168.1.2" to /etc/network/interfaces on the main box and
> > run /etc/init.d/networking restart.
> > 
> > On the modem box I do
> > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> > ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.1/32 -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j ACCEPT -b
> > ipchains -P forward ACCEPT
> > pon ukonline
> > ping 195.40.1.36 (this is a ukonline DNS server)
> > ... and it works.
> > 
> > I go back to the main box and try and ping the same address, and
> > nothing happens.
> > 
> 
> Different approach. Now on the modem box I do:
> 
> modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE
> iptables -F
> iptables -t nat -F
> iptables -t mangle -F
> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> 
> And from the main box, I can get through the modem box and out onto
> the net. I can ping 195.40.1.36 from the main box and it works.
> 
> The problem now is DNS. My ISP uses dynamic DNS, so I am used to
> having ppp rewrite my /etc/resolv.conf every time I connect. Now, of
> course, the modem box is doing the connecting, so the main box's
> /etc/resolv.conf does not get updated. The ISP seems to be giving me
> any two out of three nameservers, so I could fudge it by putting all
> three in the main box's /etc/resolv.conf, but I'd rather have it
> updating automatically like it's supposed to.
> 
> So I have resorted to a VILE HACK. The main box exports its /etc via
> NFS to the modem box. A script in the modem box's /etc/ppp/ip-up.d
> then copies the modem box's newly updated /etc/resolv.conf across to
> the main box whenever I connect.

Grotesque.  Now you've gone and installed portmap and NFS services on
your gateway box which can't be that great of an idea security-wise.
 
> I'm sure there must be a less vile method of doing this... what is it?

Install DNS caching software on the gateway (the modem box).  Have all
internal machines use the gateway as their nameserver (use a static
resolv.conf).  You can use BIND as a caching only nameserver, and of
course there are other choices like dnsmasq, maradns, pdnsd, and DJB's
dnscache.

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Re: mouse scrolling wheel borked after upgrade

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:34:30AM -0600, Kent West insinuated:
> Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> >i'm running a testing/unstable system.  after an upgrade of 94
> >packages last night (i know; i should do it more frequently --
> >that's why i did it now, to start), the only thing i can find that
> >has broken is the scrolling wheel on the mouse.  not bad for that
> >big an upgrade!  but i want it back ... scanning the list of
> >packages (following), i can't find any that would have affected
> >this.
> >
> >anyone run into this? 
> >
> >thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> Check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4:
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
>Driver  "mouse"
>Option  "CorePointer"
>Option  "Device""/dev/gpmdata" (if 
> running gpm with repeat=raw, otherwise /dev/psaux, probably)
>Option  "Protocol"  "ImPS/2"
>Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
> EndSection

exactly that.  well, i have the protocol set to "PS/2", but changing
it and /etc/init.d/gpm/stopping and then starting doesn't affect the
scrolliness at all.



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Re: modem / pon / serial problems

[John Hasler]

Pigeon writes:
> I'm sure there must be a less vile method of doing this... what is it?

a) Run a caching-only nameserver on the modem box.

b) Just put the ISP's three nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf and be happy.
The only real purpose served by "dynamic DNS" is to save users the trouble
of typing in the numbers.  All three servers will work regardless of which
two they sent you most recently.
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Re: Reasons for removing packages from Debian

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:21:28PM +, Carlos Sousa wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 02:04:18 + Colin Watson wrote:
> 
> > > moonlight 0.5.3-6
> > 
> > No idea what this was.
> 
> Description: create and render 3D scenes

Looks like they ran into some problems.  The original site
(http://www.moonlight3d.org) appears to have disappeared, but this site
(http://moonlight.stpinkert.de/) appears to be trying to pick things
back up.

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Re: ogg to mp3 audio (also via 8233a question)

[Craig Dickson]

Travis Crump wrote:

> By that logic, what is to stop some company from releasing their product 
> under the 'GPL' and then never releasing the source and requiring 
> per-seat 'royalties' for the use of their patented IP?

That's nonsensical, because source is what you release under GPL. If
they don't release source, they haven't released anything under GPL.

If they release source under GPL but then demand patent fees later, then
they are contradicting themselves. The GPL says clearly that you are
allowed to redistribute the source, and distribute binaries built from
modified source as long as you make the modified source available. So
while you might not be entitled to write new code from scratch
implementing the patented IP, you do have permission to use and modify
the GPL'd implementation under the terms of the GPL.

IANAL, but I have discussed this with RMS, who has quite competent legal
advisors for matters like these.

Craig



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Re: Disk Corruption: SOLVED

[Sid Blackley]

On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 03:20:07 +0100, "Jonathan Brandmeyer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

snip

>What if I am going about this the wrong way?  Suppose that MBR(s)
is/are
>damaged?  Will fsck(8) detect this type of damage?  My reading of the
man
>page says that it doesn't.
>
>Thanks,
>Jonathan

ASFAIK .. that is correct. The first sectors of your boot are
proprietry to data for MBR and as such are not a 'filesystem' in
itself.

as promised my submission follows.
you need to consider that because I read parts of this thread
@ deb.user ML and (mostly) some in UseNet @ l.d.u its possible to have
missed some of the thread. thus, if i repeat- forgive :-)

I am new to MaiLists and -so far- not enthused as to their
practicality.
ALSO
it appears you have read much on this so I am going to assume a few
basics.

begin:

HOW you set your system up is determined by intended use.
mine boots Win95b(OSR2) by default and a 2.4.18-k6 kernel by choice.

my lilo.conf

---

#H0megrown lilo Jan30-2003
boot=/dev/hda
install=/boot/boot.b
map=/boot/map
vga=normal
prompt
timeout=400

#Boot windows by default

other=/dev/hda1
label=windows
table=/dev/hda

#Boot Linux GNU by choice

image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k6
label = Linux
root=/dev/hda5
initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k6
read-only

#end verbose boot script
---

I had shitloads of trouble getting this preference up and running.
the tools:
windows rules the MBR so it has to be installed first.
u have to have a method to rewrite the MBR after finding the latest
tweak to LILO is a non-goer. the D0S fdisk /mbr handles this for 95b.

[ its a while back but IIRC i used to use Disk 1 off'n the D0S 6.2 set
to perform the same function on an NT4 drive. maybe that would remain
the same for XP?]
as you can get XP to boot by choice you should be able to organise an
MBR rewriter from here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q314079

the method:
 the procedure is to config lilo by HAND, run lilo, reboot and at the
LILO prompt type in "linux" for linux to boot or hit return to boot to
WinX or just wait for timeout and WinX will boot by default.
For ANY other result, reboot using the WInX boot disk and rewrite the
MBR, reboot using the linux boot disk and twiddle lilo.conf again.
repeat the process till it works.

config tips:
dont use any part of the script written by lilo - edit your own.
dont use sym links - point the boot directly at the file/s
dont use "lba32" or "compact"  or "delay"
(the first two auto-config anyway.)
dont use an editor in windows to write this - I use/d vi
always run lilo at root before shutdown -r now

I am certain your troubles result from MBR and LILO status/config
misnomers - hence all of the above.

to address the drive partitions/layout you have I can only comment 
that on my journey it resolved that D0S demanded it be first in line on
my single drive for the kernel that I was loading at that time.
the 1024 thing is no problem any more so there was no trouble
satisfying the whinge.
in all cases i used PQM (D0S v 6) to manipulate the partitions.
i used PQDI (D0S v4) to move images around 
(yes, i *did* make bakups b4 i ventured out) 
but a word of warning here.
my troubles began (and what Anita sorted out for me) when I wrote my
backup to a different position on the drive. This totally confused the
table read in linux and thereby fstab. 
i couldnt find a way out of this other than to start again - format.
I will be setting up a 2xHDD machine shortly so I will watch with
interest your result. I am not convinced the location of 
or  is of any consequence in the mapping of HDD's.
 0T0H the equivalent to  for a winX machine does appear to
like sunning itself on the beach in a dual unix/winX system.

hTh

SiD

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Re: ogg to mp3 audio (also via 8233a question)

[Steve Lamb]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:07:12 -0800
Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Such a program would essentially just be an ogg vorbis decoder piped to
> an mp3 encoder, along with some helpful glue to guess which vorbis tags
> to move into the mp3's id3 tags. Since it would have an mp3 encoder, it
> couldn't possibly be under GPL, since mp3 encoders are
> patent-encumbered.

Not to mention that it is a very bad idea to decode from one format and
recode in another; or even the same format.  These are lossy formats with
different encoding schemes.  By decoding from one and encoding in another
you're introducing the artifacts from both.  The end result is really crappy
sounding audio no matter what the end format.

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Re: active iptables update

[George Georgalis]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 01:02:46PM -0800, Tom O'Toole wrote:
>On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, George Georgalis wrote:
>
>> I was thinking along these lines; forward malicious requests to some
>> ip on the 127.0.0.0/8 network where tcpdump would be listening ready
>> to trigger a script that inserts a new drop (or whatever) rule into
>> the iptables ruleset. I'm sure someone has worked out the details of a
>> function like this... Suggestions?
>
>Would a slight hack of xinetd might be a good place to start, modded
>to run your 'server' (script) on all ports at that ip?


That sounds a bit awkward. At this point I think I'll use
iptables ULOG and limit functions along with "LaBrea"
http://www.hackbusters.net/LaBrea/ and its logging facility to
dynamically maintain the iptables ruleset (like hogwash).
I've been planning to post a summary of responses...

But at the moment I have a more pressing problem, While the 
bridge _is_ bridging, I can't catch _any_ of the packets with
any iptable mangle, input, output or forward tables... grr!

Crap. Now that I have my install image together and have
been struggling to make my bridge and iptables work together
I find this:

  http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.bridging.html#LARTC.BRIDGING.IPTABLES

  As of Linux 2.4.20, bridging and iptables do not 'see' each other
  without help. If you bridge packets from eth0 to eth1, they do not
  'pass' by iptables. This means that you cannot do filtering, or NAT or
  mangling or whatever. In Linux 2.5.45 and higher, this is fixed.

how stable is 2.5.45? Err, I'm looking for production. Can I patch
2.4.20, should I use 2.4.19? Has anybody bookmarked relevant linux
kernel discussions? just now I couldn't find a relevant one.

I wonder if the problem applies to qdisc filters?

http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.filters.html#LARTC.FILTERING.SIMPLE
9.6.2. All the filtering commands you will normally need

is there more complete doc for that somewhere?

Help!

// George





Here is my research for anyone using a non 2.4.20 kernel. Doh!

Basically what I'm doing is this...

brctl addbr br0
brctl addif br0 eth1
brctl addif br0 eth2
ip link set lo up
ip link set br0 up
ip link set eth0 up
ip link set eth1 up
ip link set eth2 up
ip addr add 127.0.0.1/8 brd +   label lodev lo

L="LOG --log-level" # one of: debug, info, notice, warning, err, crit, alert, emerg
A="ACCEPT"
D="DROP"

i="iptables -P"
$i INPUT $D ; $i FORWARD $D ; $i OUTPUT $D

i="iptables"
$i -N IN_TCP
$i -N OUT_TCP
$i -N FORWARD_TCP
$i -I INPUT   -p tcp  -j IN_TCP
$i -I OUTPUT  -p tcp  -j OUT_TCP
$i -I FORWARD -p tcp  -j FORWARD_TCP
$i -A IN_TCP -j $L notice
$i -A OUT_TCP -j $L notice
$i -A FORWARD_TCP -j $L notice

$i -t mangle -P PREROUTING $D
$i -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -j $L emerg
$i -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -j $L emerg
$i -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i eth2 -j $L emerg
$i -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -j ACCEPT
$i -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -j ACCEPT
$i -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i eth2 -j ACCEPT
$i -t mangle -A PREROUTING -j $A

echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/proxy_arp
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward


The box is bridging, I have a laptop connected via crossover
to eth1 and a patch to a LAN switch from eth2, the laptop
is doing an http transaction every 2 seconds, but nothing 
ever shows up in the bridge logs.

I've been looking at these docs


http://lartc.org/
Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control
http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.bridging.html
Building bridges, and pseudo-bridges with Proxy ARP
http://bridge.sourceforge.net/docs.html
http://bridge.sourceforge.net/docs/Firewalling for Free.pdf
Firewalling for Free, by Shawn Grimes.
http://www.sparkle-cc.co.uk/firewall/firewall.html
Implementing a Bridging Firewall By David Whitmarsh
http://www.pom.gr/ilisepe1/firewall_help.html#5
Transparent Firewall Bridging
http://plorf.net/linux-ip/html/ether-bridging.htm
Address Resolution Protocol and Bridging



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Re: crc error

[Nicos Gollan]

On Wednesday 05 February 2003 18:59, David Turetsky wrote:
> When I boot under linux, periodically (occasionally under Potato,
> frequently now that I've installed a fresh copy of Woody) I get
>
>
>
> Boot: (linux selected)
>
> Loading Linux (24, count ‘em)
>
> W07
>
> W07
>
> Uncompressing Linux…
>
>
>
> Crc error
>
>
>
> System halted
>
> I believe crc is ‘cyclic redundancy check’ which I take to mean a hard
> drive read error
>
> Does this imply that my IBM Deskstar 32gb hdd, a friend these last 3 ½
> years,  is increasingly showing symptoms of Alzheimer’s disease? Am I
> indeed unwise to continue to use it and should instead install linux on
> one of my newer drives? Or can some lilo (or other) setting be tweaked
> to resolve this?

Considering that this is the worst startup error I've seen on this list yet 
and the type and age of the disk, I'd consider shopping for a new one in any 
case. The "workaround" of power cycling the machine is another hint toward a 
technical failure, so get your important stuff off that drive.

And stop using Outlook, please! Not because I hate MS but because the 
formatting (searching polite word. none found.) stinks.

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Re: ogg to mp3 audio (also via 8233a question)

[Travis Crump]

Craig Dickson wrote:

Travis Crump wrote:



Colin Watson wrote:


That of course doesn't prevent the holders of LAME's copyright from
releasing it under the GPL, since the copyright holders are not
themselves bound by the terms of the licence, 

Why shouldn't they be bound by the terms of the licence?



Because they did not receive it under the license, obviously.



As copyright 
holders they are perfectly able to distribute under whatever other 
license they want, but if they decide to release under a license than it 
seems like they should be just as obligated to fullfill all the parts of 
the license as anyone else.


No, because they are the authority that grants the license, not a member
of the set of people to whom the license is granted.



By that logic, what is to stop some company from releasing their product 
under the 'GPL' and then never releasing the source and requiring 
per-seat 'royalties' for the use of their patented IP?



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Re: squirrelmail, uw-imapd (and ssl)

[Steve Lamb]

On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:20:57 -0500
John M Flinchbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i have the same, but i get this banner when i telnet to it:
> Connected to localhost.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 X-NETSCAPE LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS
> LOGINDISABLED] localhost IMAP4rev1 2002.336 at Wed, 5 Feb 2003
> 14:10:31 -0500 (EST)

Seriously, I changed nothing on the uw-imapd setup.  Here's my banner:

* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 X-NETSCAPE LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS AUTH=LOGIN]
localhost IMAP4rev1 2002.336 at Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:15:49 -0800 (PST)

I don't have the imaps port enabled and oddly enough I can't find anything
in /etc in the way of configuration or else I'd send that to you.

Just to be complete:
Versions of the packages uw-imapd depends on:
ii  debconf1.2.22 Debian configuration management system
ii  libc-client200 2002b.debian-5 UW c-client library for mail protocols
ii  libc6  2.3.1-10   GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
ii  libkrb53   1.2.7-2MIT Kerberos runtime libraries
ii  libpam0g   0.76-7 Pluggable Authentication Modules library
ii  libssl0.9.70.9.7-4SSL shared libraries
ii  openssl0.9.7-4Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related
ii  e2fsprogs  1.29+1.30-WIP- The EXT2 file system utilities and libraries
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Re: c program chart, scheme, plan

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 15:28, Andrei Smirnov wrote:
> Hi all!
> Are there any tools for creating a graphical representation
> of a (future) program ? (with those boxes, arrows etc.)
> I mean, which can be integrated into an environment, including
> a documentation system.

You mean something that will generate C code directly from your
flow charts?

> And, in general, what tools, editors, other things you are using
> to facilitate c (or other languages) development ?

vim, make, automake, autoconf, cvs, etc...

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Re: columbia -- what really happened

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 12:09, Pigeon wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 11:35:20PM -0500, David P James wrote:
> > Brooks R. Robinson wrote:
[snip]
> What do you think of the Culture economy? All work is done by
> machines, which are designed to work properly and last for millennia -
> fully upgradeable, of course. So no-one has to worry about going
> hungry or any other physical need, or want. The Luddites never saw
> this far ahead. For all our technology, we're still Luddites today.

That would be *the*worst* plan, as shown by the multiple generations
of the same families on welfare.  They have not bettered themselves.
Also, look at the "old money" rich, who don't have to work.  The
Kennedys and the DuPonts aren't paragons of moral virtue...

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Re: modem / pon / serial problems

[Pigeon]

On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:50:43PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> So: the main box is 192.168.1.1, the modem box is 192.168.1.2. I add
> "gateway 192.168.1.2" to /etc/network/interfaces on the main box and
> run /etc/init.d/networking restart.
> 
> On the modem box I do
> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.1.1/32 -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j ACCEPT -b
> ipchains -P forward ACCEPT
> pon ukonline
> ping 195.40.1.36 (this is a ukonline DNS server)
> ... and it works.
> 
> I go back to the main box and try and ping the same address, and
> nothing happens.
> 

Different approach. Now on the modem box I do:

modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE
iptables -F
iptables -t nat -F
iptables -t mangle -F
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

And from the main box, I can get through the modem box and out onto
the net. I can ping 195.40.1.36 from the main box and it works.

The problem now is DNS. My ISP uses dynamic DNS, so I am used to
having ppp rewrite my /etc/resolv.conf every time I connect. Now, of
course, the modem box is doing the connecting, so the main box's
/etc/resolv.conf does not get updated. The ISP seems to be giving me
any two out of three nameservers, so I could fudge it by putting all
three in the main box's /etc/resolv.conf, but I'd rather have it
updating automatically like it's supposed to.

So I have resorted to a VILE HACK. The main box exports its /etc via
NFS to the modem box. A script in the modem box's /etc/ppp/ip-up.d
then copies the modem box's newly updated /etc/resolv.conf across to
the main box whenever I connect.

I'm sure there must be a less vile method of doing this... what is it?

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Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?

[Vineet Kumar]

* Nick Hastings ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030205 01:30]:
> Hi,
> 
> * Dave Selby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030205 16:20]:
> > When using X, you can highlight text and copy it to another area via the 
> > middle mouse button.
> > 
> > Is there a buffer file that holds the highlighted text ? This would be very 
> > usefull for passing URLs etc to the ctrl-alt-f1 command line. Sometimes Xterm 
> > is not ideal because it ceases when the user is changed. The same goes for 
> > the GUI !
> > 
> > Yep I am thinking of downloading long files via wget !
> 
> In that case you can still use X, you just need to nohup your wget.
> eg.
> 
> nohup wget http://whatever >& wget.log &
> 
> man nohup
> 
> for details.
> 
> Actually there is probably something built into bash so that nohup is
> not required... but I don't know about interactive bash.

Right you are.  When exiting, bash sends a HUP to everything on its list
of active jobs iff the shell option huponexit is set (which it is by
default).

There's also a 'disown' builtin which can be used to tell bash not to
SIGHUP a particular job, or even to remove the job from the table
entirely.  This can be used to tell bash that you want a given
command to keep running after exit, rather than the blanket solution of
'shopt -u huponexit'.

In short, 'disown -h' is probably closest to nohup, but if you really
want to know how to do what you want to do, go read bash(1), now that I
gave you clues what to look for =)

Of course, zsh also provides '&!' and '&|' as syntactic sugar to
sprinkle in place of 'command & ; disown'

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Re: dxr3 and xine dvd playback

[Matthew Weier O'Phinney]

-- Matthew Weier O'Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Wednesday, 05 February 2003, 04:48 PM -0500):
> I'm on debian testing, and want to view DVDs via my dxr3 card. I tried
> installing the em8300 package, but it wasn't set up correctly, so I
> ended up grabbing the source and installing it by hand. Since I wasn't
> able to get the deb of em8300, I also ended up compiling and installing
> xine-lib and xine-ui by hand.
> 
> The dxr3 card works fine -- vga loopback sends video fine, and I can get
> my vga overlay up and running (I can send output from lsmod and
> em8300setup, if necessary, to show that installation works). When I try
> and run xine, however, wierd stuff happens.
> 
> Half the time, it seems like xine is unable to find the spu-en/decoder
> on the card, and thus won't play anything and locks up. The other half,
> it will play the first chapter -- usually just the copyright notice --
> and stops and locks up. I don't ever get to the menus, and trying to
> play a later chapter via the command-line always comes up as an
> unsupported option.

Followup: I can start chapters if I mount the dvd and use the file://
syntax for MRLs. However, I get audio (very choppy) and only a green
screen.

Since my card uses a bt865 chip, I can only set options for the em8300
module - and I've tried setting the dicom_control and dicom_fix options
in all 4 combinations, and still only get a green screen when using the
file:/ syntax.

When using 'xine dvd:/', I get the copyright notice, which displays
correctly.

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Re: c program chart, scheme, plan

[Steve Johnson]

The only one I know of is 'Dia', it works for me.  Not sure if the
enviornment your using will work with Dia 'out of the box', but it's
file format is in xml which could be useful.

$ apt-cache search Dia | egrep '^dia -'

- steve

On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 15:28, Andrei Smirnov wrote:
> Hi all!
> Are there any tools for creating a graphical representation
> of a (future) program ? (with those boxes, arrows etc.)
> I mean, which can be integrated into an environment, including
> a documentation system.
> 
> And, in general, what tools, editors, other things you are using
> to facilitate c (or other languages) development ?
> 
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dxr3 and xine dvd playback

[Matthew Weier O'Phinney]

I'm on debian testing, and want to view DVDs via my dxr3 card. I tried
installing the em8300 package, but it wasn't set up correctly, so I
ended up grabbing the source and installing it by hand. Since I wasn't
able to get the deb of em8300, I also ended up compiling and installing
xine-lib and xine-ui by hand.

The dxr3 card works fine -- vga loopback sends video fine, and I can get
my vga overlay up and running (I can send output from lsmod and
em8300setup, if necessary, to show that installation works). When I try
and run xine, however, wierd stuff happens.

Half the time, it seems like xine is unable to find the spu-en/decoder
on the card, and thus won't play anything and locks up. The other half,
it will play the first chapter -- usually just the copyright notice --
and stops and locks up. I don't ever get to the menus, and trying to
play a later chapter via the command-line always comes up as an
unsupported option.

Anybody have this working with debian? what did you have to do?

Thanks!

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Re: columbia -- what really happened

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 11:39, Craig Dickson wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I believe the fastest way to get bipartisan support for a manned
> > mission to Mars is to convince the politicians that the mainland
> > Chinese are going to get there first.
> 
> Thus giving new meaning to the idea that Mars is "red"...

And dusty!

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_storm_update_011011.html

http://www.gluckman.com/ChinaDesert.html
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/01/29/china.desert/

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Re: fstab entry for NTFS formatted drive

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 05:04:27PM +, Doug MacFarlane wrote:
> On 05 Feb 2003, 13:53:27, Rodrigo Agerri wrote:
> > That remarkable Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 13:29, Doug MacFarlane wrote:
> > > On 04 Feb 2003, 21:58:58, David Turetsky wrote:
> > > > I have a hard drive running Windows XP Professional under NTFS format
> > > > 
> > > > I'd like to access that drive from my Woody system but I can't locate a
> > > > suitable file type for an /etc/fstab entry
> > > 
> > > ntfs works for me, but I have it mounted RO, and only root has access to
> > > it.  I haven't fooled around with this yet . . . .
> > 
> > I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that ntfs can *only* be mounted RO, but you 
>can 
> > give the user access to it. I have this line in my /etc/fstab
> > 
> > /dev/hda1   /winntfs ro,noauto,user 0   0
> 
> Thanks Rodrigo.  
> 
> I was recompiling my Kernel this morning and saw that there is an NTFS module
> that supports RW, with the notation (Experimental and VERY DANGEROUS) . .
> . 
> 
> I may give that a shot this weekend.

If you do, please make sure you've backed up the data on your NTFS
partition.  Last time I tried this (admittedly quite some time ago but
is was with the 2.4.x series) I managed to completely trash my NTFS
filesystem (and I do mean completely).  The note about "VERY
DANGEROUS" is not there to make you feel more elite :-)

OTOH read-only seems very stable.  My "solution" when I must have a
box dual booting linux and something that prefers NTFS (win2k, NT 4,
XP) is to create two partitions for windows; the "root" I format with
NTFS and the other with FAT.  This partition is a "data store" and can
be safely mounted rw in linux.

Good luck!

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Re: Reasons for removing packages from Debian

[Carlos Sousa]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 02:04:18 + Colin Watson wrote:
> (... reasons for removing a series of packages ...)

> Try . Most of my answers
> above came from there.

Thanks, that was the answer I expected. I didn't want you to waste your
time looking for each individual reason yourself. Thanks, once again.

I have the impression there is no place where such removals can be
consistently logged, perhaps defined by policy. That's a pity.

Oh, I'll also try and sit next to as much debian package maintainers as
I can... :P

> > moonlight 0.5.3-6
> 
> No idea what this was.

Description: create and render 3D scenes

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Re: Problems downloading Knoppix

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 10:32:54PM +1100, bob parker wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:39, Levi Waldron wrote:
> > On February 4, 2003 08:13 am, bob parker wrote:
> > > Well I just completed downloading Knoppix using my steam powered dial up
> > > connection.
> > >
> > > I started on 27 January.
> >
> > That's such a sad story, if you have a hard time fixing the download let me
> > know and I'll mail a KNOPPIX cd to you.  -Levi
> 
> Thanks for your offer Levi. I have a local Linux supplier but this time I 
> thought I would experiment with downloading.  I had been inpired to do this 
> on some thread where I was discussing the virtues of Jigdo.
> 
> I believe rightly or wrongly that rsync has the capability of sorting out 
> which parts of a file are corrupt and then downloading only the necessary 
> corrections.

That is indeed what rsync does.  Now all you need is the address of an
rsyncable box with the (correct) image on it ... (sorry, I don't know
of one offhand).

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OT: humor [was: Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?]

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 08:55:26PM +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote:

[ snip ]

> Thorsten
> -- 
> A smoking section in a restaurant is like a peeing section in a swimming pool.
> - Unknown

They have these sections, they're called "wading pools".

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Re: KDE 3.1 in sid

[Rudy Gevaert]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 06:45:54AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> KDE starts drifting into sid!  .debs at 11:00 (-0100).  There's some
> kde related debs on incoming.debian.org that should be in tonight's
> update.

Before I upgrade my system, does anyone experience some fallbacks?
Upgrading that doesn't work?

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c program chart, scheme, plan

[Andrei Smirnov]

Hi all!
Are there any tools for creating a graphical representation
of a (future) program ? (with those boxes, arrows etc.)
I mean, which can be integrated into an environment, including
a documentation system.

And, in general, what tools, editors, other things you are using
to facilitate c (or other languages) development ?


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Re: columbia -- what really happened

[Pigeon]

On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 11:35:20PM -0500, David P James wrote:
> Brooks R. Robinson wrote:
> >The only thing those of us stuck somewhere in the middle can hope for, is
> >that the research paid for by our government accidentally stumbles upon 
> >that
> >magic energy formula, bringing us into the Stak Trek economy.
> 
> You do realize that a Star Trek economy is not really possible? I like 
> Star Trek as much as the next geek but they really got that aspect 
> wrong. They can get away with it aboard the Enterprise because it is a 
> military ship and the chain of command determines how things get done. 
> But there is scant attention paid to how the rest of the civilian, free 
> and democratic Federation functions. Who builds all these ships? Why? 
> Why not something else? Where do the materials come from? All ignored, 
> because it can't work.

What do you think of the Culture economy? All work is done by
machines, which are designed to work properly and last for millennia -
fully upgradeable, of course. So no-one has to worry about going
hungry or any other physical need, or want. The Luddites never saw
this far ahead. For all our technology, we're still Luddites today.

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Re: mounting filesystems

[alex]

If I correctly understand what you want, you may like the 
way this works.

  # cd /mnt; mkdir da1
  # alias win+='mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/da1; cd 
/mnt/da1; ls -aF --color=auto'
  # alias win-='cd; umount /mnt/da1'
-

  # win+  (this should show all your Win files--
   you can move/copy data back and forth
   between Linux and Win and more)

   Be sure after you're finished:
  # win-

I have these two aliases plus many more in /root/.bashrc .
Very handy to access other OS, CDROM, floppies, Zipdisks
with a simple command, like  (examples) wflop+ or lflop+
+ to access and - to exit.


David Turetsky wrote:
I am trying to read the Windows filesystems on my linux/W98/XP system. 
Despite reusing the same entries I had in Potato in addition to those 
generated by Woody, and checking google re ntfs entries, I am unable to 
see those Windows filesystems, even the W98 filesystems I read on the 
same drive under Woody

 

When I manually try to mount them, for example, ?mount ?a?, I get mount 
point /c does not exist and same for /d and /e

 

Similarly, these entries do not show up in /etc/mtab

 

Here is my /etc fstab entries:

 

/dev/hda1 /c vfat defaults 0 0

/dev/hda5 / ext2 errors=remount-ro

/dev/hda6 none swap sw 0 0

/dev/hda8 /d vfat defaults 0 0

/dev/hde1 /e ntfs ro,auto,owner 0 0

proc /proc proc defaults 0 0

/dev/fd0 /floppy auto user,noauto 0 0

/dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0

 

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Re: ogg to mp3 audio (also via 8233a question)

[Craig Dickson]

Travis Crump wrote:

> Colin Watson wrote:
> >That of course doesn't prevent the holders of LAME's copyright from
> >releasing it under the GPL, since the copyright holders are not
> >themselves bound by the terms of the licence, 
> 
> Why shouldn't they be bound by the terms of the licence?

Because they did not receive it under the license, obviously.

> As copyright 
> holders they are perfectly able to distribute under whatever other 
> license they want, but if they decide to release under a license than it 
> seems like they should be just as obligated to fullfill all the parts of 
> the license as anyone else.

No, because they are the authority that grants the license, not a member
of the set of people to whom the license is granted.

> This is why 'commercial' 'open' source 
> licenses such as the NPL make pains to explicitly exclude themselves 
> from license obligations.  The GPL doesn't include any such exemptions.

I've never read the NPL, so I may be wrong about this, but from what
I've heard about it, it seems to me that the point of that is to exempt
Netscape from obligations with regard to code contributed by outsiders
who received the code under NPL. So if you take some Mozilla code and
enhance it, you are bound by the NPL, but Netscape can take your
enhancements and use them however they like. This is completely separate
from what you're talking about.

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Printing True Type Fonts

[Ayman Haidar]

Hello,

I have been trying to solve this problem for few days..
I cannot print anything with True Type Fonts. I have cups installed with gs 
and gs-esp. I have tried to add true type fonts to Fontmap in gs using xfstt, 
with no avail. I even copied the Fontmap from a mandrake partition to 
Debian's with no luck.

I use kde by the way. and it works under Mandrake.

any help is greatly appreciated.

Ayman


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RE: fstab/mount filesystem nomenclature

[David Turetsky]

 

What is the appropriate nomenclature
for logical/entended partitions in fstab and elsewhere

 

For example, hde1 (or hda1) is the base
partition. If I use an extended partition, is that hde2 or what

 

I just added some fstab entries,
rebooted, read the stuff fine, but now Woody is smarter (when I try mount /f, I
get

 

FAT: bogus logical sector size 0

VFS: Can’t find a valid FAT
filesystem on dev 21:02

Mount: wrong fs type, bad option,
bad superblock on /dev/hde2,

    Or too many
mounted file systems

    (aren’t you
trying to mount an extended partition,

    instead of some
logical partition inside?)

 

-- 

David

 

I’m making some
progress, but still unresolved issues. Summarizing:

 

hda is first drive with
controller on motherboard

hda1 is first partition

hda8 is second Windows
partition

 

hde is first drive off of
external Promise controller

hde1 is first partition

 

hdf is second drive off
of external Promise controller

hdf1 is first partition

 

But hde2 and hdf2 do not
work as second partition. Nor does hde5/hdf5 or hde8/hdf8

 

Reviewing reference
material, the stated and unstated assumptions are that you just 

keep numbering up. How
that numbering is modified depending on whether it is a logical 

or extended partition is
not explicitly discussed anywhere I have been able to find such discussions

 

-- 

David

 

 

I might be able to resolve this more fully
if I good see the dialog that flashes by on booting. That’s what led me 

to use hde. The rest of it goes by too
fast to read. How do I redirect that startup stream

 

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Re: Printer Problems

[Thomas H. George]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 01:15:21PM -0600, Donald Spoon wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you are missing a "filter".  Here are a couple of 
> suggestions for each situation:
> 
> 1.  Check and make sure you have Ghostscript installed and working.
> 
> 2.  In the KDE Control Center --> System --> Printing Manager --> [your 
> printer, i.e "LP", etc] --> Instances --> Settings you will get a pop-up 
> window with 3 tabs.  The last tab is called "filters".  Select this and 
>  experiment with adding the available filters.  I have a "generic image 
> to postscript" filter and a "pdf writer (needs Ghostscript)" filter 
> available here.  You might have to experiment with the order, and you 
> might not need all of them... dunno.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> -Don Spoon-
> 
No Luck.  I found only an enscript text filter.  I tried it and it
convert testprint to the ghostscript instructions and printed these but
did nothing for the ASCII file when I tried lp printtest.  I removed the
filter as there is no problem printing from kde - that is, printing text
generated in kde.  I tried opening a terminal in kde and running lp
printtest from the terminal.  It didn't work.

Tom George

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RE: crc error

[David Turetsky]

Wouldn't that produce a hard error? Just based on today's experiences,
it seems to happen often when I hit return specifying linux to lilo. In
the last few hours, when I just allow the choice to time out, it never
fails at all

I just installed the (Woody) system yesterday from CDs

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Hi, this error was happened because your Kernel image 
was corrupted... 2 solutions:

1 - boot from your rescue disk floopy or cd-rom rescue 
image and copy the distro. kernel image (fast and simple)
(rawrite under windows or dd under *nix, remenber?)

2 - boot from rescue disk floopy or cd-rom rescue image 
and get the latest kernel image and compile it. (the 
correct way)

GooD LooK ! =)

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Re: ogg to mp3 audio (also via 8233a question)

[Travis Crump]

Colin Watson wrote:

That of course doesn't prevent the holders of LAME's copyright from
releasing it under the GPL, since the copyright holders are not
themselves bound by the terms of the licence, 

Why shouldn't they be bound by the terms of the licence?  As copyright 
holders they are perfectly able to distribute under whatever other 
license they want, but if they decide to release under a license than it 
seems like they should be just as obligated to fullfill all the parts of 
the license as anyone else.  This is why 'commercial' 'open' source 
licenses such as the NPL make pains to explicitly exclude themselves 
from license obligations.  The GPL doesn't include any such exemptions.


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Re: Ogg

[Francisco M Neto]

Olá,

» Assim falou Ronaldo Reis Jr. em Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 05:42:48PM -0200:

> Existe alguma vantagem/disvantagem em se utilizar o formato ogg ao mp3?

Bem, a vantagem que eu vejo é q o ogg me parece mais bem
estruturado (tanto que eles lançaram agora um formato de vídeo
que é "irmão gêmeo" do ogg - não existe equivalente em mp3).

A desvantagem é que é um pouco mais pesado que o mp3, mas mesmo
assim eu acho que vale a pena.

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Re: please help on adsl sharing

[Attila Csosz]

GBV wrote:


1. Your ISP require pppoe?
2. Do your adsl provider use DHCP ?

if 1 == true

remove the configuration of your internet interface
apt-get install pppoeconf
type as root:
pppoeconf

if 2 == true && 1 == false

edit your /etc/network/interfaces like
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

else

 

My ISP requires pppoe and the ADSL works normal on the server. The 
problem is the sharing the ADSL with the other computer.


Attila




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RE: fstab/mount filesystem nomenclature

[David Turetsky]

 

 

What is the appropriate nomenclature
for logical/entended partitions in fstab and elsewhere

 

For example, hde1 (or hda1) is the
base partition. If I use an extended partition, is that hde2 or what

 

I just added some fstab entries,
rebooted, read the stuff fine, but now Woody is smarter (when I try mount /f, I
get

 

FAT: bogus logical sector size 0

VFS: Can’t find a valid FAT
filesystem on dev 21:02

Mount: wrong fs type, bad option,
bad superblock on /dev/hde2,

    Or too many
mounted file systems

    (aren’t you
trying to mount an extended partition,

    instead of some
logical partition inside?)

 

-- 

David

 

I’m making some progress, but still
unresolved issues. Summarizing:

 

hda is first drive with controller on
motherboard

hda1 is first partition

hda8 is second Windows partition

 

hde is first drive off of external Promise
controller

hde1 is first partition

 

hdf is second drive off of external
Promise controller

hdf1 is first partition

 

But hde2 and hdf2 do not work as second partition.
Nor does hde5/hdf5 or hde8/hdf8

 

Reviewing reference material, the stated
and unstated assumptions are that you just 

keep numbering up. How that numbering is
modified depending on whether it is a logical 

or extended partition is not explicitly
discussed anywhere I have been able to find such discussions

 

-- 

David

Re: nao consigo montar cdrom

[Francisco M Neto]

Olás,

> Alterei o fstab para:
> /dev/hdd/cdrom1  iso9660 user0   0
> /dev/hda2   /c-fat   vfatuser0   0
> /dev/scd0   /cdrom   iso9660 user0   0
> 
> Tinha que funcionar...
> Creio que tem algo mais errado vejam o final do dmesg:

Eu nunca tinha visto erros assim em cdrom... só em HDD. Mas isso
geralmente é mau sinal, todos os HDD's que eu vi darem esse
problema morreram logo em seguida...

> hdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> hdd: command error: error=0x55
> end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64
> ATAPI device hdd:
>   Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05)
>   Illegal mode for this track or incompatible medium -- (asc=0x64,
> ascq=0x00) isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:40,
> iso_blknum=16, block=32 attempt to access beyond end of device
> 0b:00: rw=0, want=33, limit=2
> dev 0b:00 blksize=1024 blocknr=32 sector=64 size=1024 count=1
> isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=0b:00, iso_blknum=16, block=32
> hdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> hdd: command error: error=0x55
> end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64
> ATAPI device hdd:
>   Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05)
>   Illegal mode for this track or incompatible medium -- (asc=0x64,
> ascq=0x00) isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:40,
> iso_blknum=16, block=32 attempt to access beyond end of device
> 0b:00: rw=0, want=33, limit=2
> dev 0b:00 blksize=1024 blocknr=32 sector=64 size=1024 count=1
> isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=0b:00, iso_blknum=16, block=32

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Re: please help on adsl sharing

[Attila Csosz]

Osamu Aoki wrote:


On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 03:56:57PM +0100, Attila Csosz wrote:
 

I try to set up adsl sharing on two computer but I have problems.
The situation:

adsl --->A(connected to adsl) -- B(internal machine)

I do the followings:

on machine A have the followings:

1) /etc/network/interfaces
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
auto eth0 eth1
iface eth0 inet static
  address 192.168.1.2
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  network 192.168.1.0
  broadcast 192.168.1.255
iface eth1 inet static
  address 192.168.1.1
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  network 192.168.1.0
  broadcast 192.168.1.255
   


This does not make sense.  I you are using one card port to do 2
address, read about IP ALIASING.  eth0:1 etc.

I do ont undersytand why you put both in same netweork segment?

Usually we use separate ones.
 See my example at:
 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html

 

Thanks.
Maybe I should modify the eth0 section address, netmask etc?

address 10.0.0.1
netmask 255.0.0.0
network 10.0.0.0
broadcast 10.0.0.255

Will be good?

Attila

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Re: please help on adsl sharing

[GBV]

1. Your ISP require pppoe?
2. Do your adsl provider use DHCP ?

if 1 == true

remove the configuration of your internet interface
apt-get install pppoeconf
type as root:
pppoeconf

if 2 == true && 1 == false

edit your /etc/network/interfaces like
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

else

explain better

> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 03:56:57PM +0100, Attila Csosz wrote:
> > I try to set up adsl sharing on two computer but I have problems.
> > The situation:
> >
> > adsl --->A(connected to adsl) -- B(internal machine)
> >
> > I do the followings:
> >
> > on machine A have the followings:
> > 
> > 1) /etc/network/interfaces
> > auto lo
> > iface lo inet loopback
> > auto eth0 eth1
> > iface eth0 inet static
> >address 192.168.1.2
> >netmask 255.255.255.0
> >network 192.168.1.0
> >broadcast 192.168.1.255
> > iface eth1 inet static
> >address 192.168.1.1
> >netmask 255.255.255.0
> >network 192.168.1.0
> >broadcast 192.168.1.255
>
> This does not make sense.  I you are using one card port to do 2
> address, read about IP ALIASING.  eth0:1 etc.
>
> I do ont undersytand why you put both in same netweork segment?
>
> Usually we use separate ones.
>   See my example at:
>   http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html
>
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Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Timothy Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-05 18:27]:
>Have a read at what a horrible nightmare cut&paste is under X.
>http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html

I can't find any thing horrible in this text.


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Re: crc error

[allancvg]

Hi, this error was happened because your Kernel image
was corrupted... 2 solutions:

1 - boot from your rescue disk floopy or cd-rom rescue
image and copy the distro. kernel image (fast and simple)
(rawrite under windows or dd under *nix, remenber?)

2 - boot from rescue disk floopy or cd-rom rescue image
and get the latest kernel image and compile it. (the
correct way)

GooD LooK ! =)

  - Allan Gomes


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Re: Demand PPP

[John Hasler]

Donald Spoon writes:
> One thing to consider when writing rules for Firewalling and IPMASQ is
> the fact that the ppp0 (dial out) interface doesn't exist on the system
> until you actually dial-out and make a connection.

In the case of demand-dialing it does.
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fstab/mount filesystem nomenclature

[David Turetsky]

What is the appropriate nomenclature for logical/entended
partitions in fstab and elsewhere

 

For example, hde1 (or hda1) is the base partition. If I use
an extended partition, is that hde2 or what

 

I just added some fstab entries, rebooted, read the stuff
fine, but now Woody is smarter (when I try mount /f, I get

 

FAT: bogus logical sector size 0

VFS: Can’t find a valid FAT filesystem on dev 21:02

Mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on
/dev/hde2,

    Or too many mounted file systems

    (aren’t you trying to mount an
extended partition,

    instead of some logical partition
inside?)

 

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Re: squirrelmail, uw-imapd (and ssl)

[John M Flinchbaugh]

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On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 07:39:32AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:47:22 -0500
> John M Flinchbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i need:
> > a) to get squirrelmail to do ssl
> > b) get uw-imapd to not require ssl
> > c) find an imap implementation that actually works with=20
squirrelmail.
> =20
> > any recommendations?
> =20
> Erm, hate to say it but uw-imapd is the only one I have found=20
that does
> work with Squirrelmail.  Courier certainly didn't.  Here's what I've=20
got
> installed at present which is working like a champ.
>=20
> ii  uw-imapd   2002b.debian-5 remote mail folder access server
> ii  squirrelmail   1.3.2+1.4.0rc1 Webmail for nuts

i have the same, but i get this banner when i telnet to it:
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 X-NETSCAPE LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS
LOGINDISABLED] localhost IMAP4rev1 2002.336 at Wed, 5 Feb 2003
14:10:31 -0500 (EST)

that LOGINDISABLED seems to mean that normal non-tls auths are
disabled.  i have it listening to imap2 and imaps:
butterfly:~# grep imap /etc/inetd.conf
imap2   stream  tcp nowait  root/usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/imapd
imaps   stream  tcp nowait  root/usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/imapd

i've reinstalled it, and now it doesn't work for anything, not even
ssl to mozilla. *sigh*  this whole package doesn't seem to have enough
switches to even allow me to break it this badly.
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RE: simple (non-technial) software question

[Narins, Josh]

Phil, Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:25 PM
> 
> I'm setting -up linux machines at a school and the teachers 
> are interested 
> in Mavis Beacon teaches typing and Mathblaster type programs. 
>  They want 
> programs that are fun for the kids and teach them things at 
> the same time.
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
> 

Depending on the ages of the children, you might get something from tasksel
"debian-jr"


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Re: Printer Problems

[Donald Spoon]

Thomas H. George,,, wrote:

I have three standalone systems all with cupsys, cupsomatic, cupsys-bsd, 
cupsys-driver-gimpprint, gimp1.2, gimp1.2-print and kdelibs3-cups:

   Debian Woody, 2.4.18 kernel with HP Deskjet 940c, Foomatic+hpijs 
(my daughter)

   Debian Woody,  2.4.18 kernel with Brother HL-730, Foomatic+hl7x0   
(my grandsons)

   Debian Testing, 2.4.20 kernel with  Epson Stylus Color 860, 
CUPS+GIMP-print v4.2.2-pre2  (mine)

The problem: Printing a simple ASCII file (printtest) from a terminal. 
The results of lp printtest are as follows:

   Brother HL-730:OK.  Prints the 
file with no problems.

   HP Deskjet 940c: Ejects a blank 
page.

   Epson Stylus Color 860:Nothing.  There is an error in 
/var/log/cups/error_log
   (See 
previous posting, Gimp Print Problem
 
(for details.)

All of these printers print the test pattern from a terminal:

   lp /usr/share/cups/data/testprint.ps

All of these printers print perfectly from kde.

History:  I am weening my daughter and grandsons from Windows 98 with 
its perpetual problems.  I chose kde to give them something similar to 
Windows and this is when my troubles began.  I found I had to install 
cupsomatic and kdelibs3-cups get their printers to work.  This is fine 
since they never switch from X windows to a terminal but I do.  After 
dpkg --purge lprng, lpr, and magicfilter and installing cupsys-bsd I am 
able to use the Brother HL-730 but not the other two printers.

I would appreciate any assistance with this problem



Sounds like you are missing a "filter".  Here are a couple of 
suggestions for each situation:

1.  Check and make sure you have Ghostscript installed and working.

2.  In the KDE Control Center --> System --> Printing Manager --> [your 
printer, i.e "LP", etc] --> Instances --> Settings you will get a pop-up 
window with 3 tabs.  The last tab is called "filters".  Select this and 
 experiment with adding the available filters.  I have a "generic image 
to postscript" filter and a "pdf writer (needs Ghostscript)" filter 
available here.  You might have to experiment with the order, and you 
might not need all of them... dunno.

HTH,

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Re: please help on adsl sharing

[Osamu Aoki]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 03:56:57PM +0100, Attila Csosz wrote:
> I try to set up adsl sharing on two computer but I have problems.
> The situation:
> 
> adsl --->A(connected to adsl) -- B(internal machine)
> 
> I do the followings:
> 
> on machine A have the followings:
> 
> 1) /etc/network/interfaces
> auto lo
> iface lo inet loopback
> auto eth0 eth1
> iface eth0 inet static
>address 192.168.1.2
>netmask 255.255.255.0
>network 192.168.1.0
>broadcast 192.168.1.255
> iface eth1 inet static
>address 192.168.1.1
>netmask 255.255.255.0
>network 192.168.1.0
>broadcast 192.168.1.255

This does not make sense.  I you are using one card port to do 2
address, read about IP ALIASING.  eth0:1 etc.

I do ont undersytand why you put both in same netweork segment?

Usually we use separate ones.
  See my example at:
  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html

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Re: ogg to mp3 audio (also via 8233a question)

[Craig Dickson]

Kirk Strauser wrote:

> At 2003-02-05T16:07:12Z, Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Since it would have an mp3 encoder, it couldn't possibly be under GPL,
> > since mp3 encoders are patent-encumbered.
> 
> Not true.  LAME is released under the GPL - it was written from scratch:
> 
>   http://lame.sourceforge.net/

That LAME was "written from scratch" is irrelevant. We're talking about
patents, not copyright.

Actually, I was not entirely correct before; a patent-encumbered program
may be distributed under GPL, but only in countries where the patents
are not valid. GPL section 7 and LPGL section 11 prohibit the licensee
from distributing the software if the licensee cannot live up to all the
obligations attached to the software; this includes the conditions of
the (L)GPL license itself, plus locally-recognized patents, and possibly
other considerations such as contracts to which the licensee is bound.

Fraunhofer has MP3-related patents in a number of countries, including
the USA, Australia, Russia, Japan, Korea, Germany, Austria, Spain,
Belgium, France, Luxembourg, Italy, the UK, the Netherlands, Denmark,
Finland, Norway, and Sweden (along with a few other countries whose ISO
codes I do not recognize offhand), but it may be that some of these
patents are avoidable such that a very careful MP3 implementation (such
as LAME, perhaps) would be freely distributable in some (but probably
not all) of those countries.

Note that the LAME web page warns that you may need a patent license to
use their code, so they are obviously aware of this issue.

Craig



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RE: DVD - driving me crazy...

[Amstead, Blake]

You might want to try setting up a raw device. Check out the HOWTO set up
and use raw devices for dvd access. On sourceforge.

-Original Message-
From: Vittorio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:35 AM
To: debian-user
Subject: DVD - driving me crazy...

I'd like to watch movies by means of my PC DVD reader.

Now, I've installed ogle and xine by means of apt-get from debian
stable and compiled mplayer from source.

None of them works smoothly.

After having symlinked /dev/cdrom to /dev/dvd (it didn't work at all
before this!) OCCASIONALLY and SELDOM either ogle or xine work fine. Now I'm
unable to even start a DVD movie: xine complains about a missing
plugin for 'xine-ui; ogle simply crashes. Mplayer is the only one
akwardly working issuing "mplayer -dvd nn" with nn=1,2,3.
 
Is there anyone out there able to explain what's wrong with those
programs and what to do to make them work (either xine or ogle)?

OR

Other suggestions?

Thanks in advance for any help

Ciao - Vittorio


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no PPP after Kernel Compile

[Doug MacFarlane]

I compiled my own kernel and went through and turned off a bunch of stuff
in the .config that I knew I didn't need.

It boots MUCH faster now!!

But, my pppoe connection didn't come back up.  plog (syslog) reports:

 Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument

What did I turn off that I shouldn't have?  I re-ran pppoeconf and everything
went fine, but it didn't start.

BTW - I compiled 2.4.19 from a 2.2.20-compact kernel.

TIA

madmac

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Re: Demand PPP

[Donald Spoon]

David Raeker-Jordan wrote:

I am using iptables and ipmasq; might that be preventing pppd from dialing
out? I got ipmasq working, but I am not very conversant with it.




To answer my own question -- yes, ipmasq was preventing pppd from dialing
out in demand mode. If I turn ipmasq off, then pppd will dial out on demand. 

Now I just need to determine what rule in ipmasq is causing the problem.

Has anyone who has seen this before have any advice?


I can't answer your question directly, since I don't have your complete 
IPMASQ ruleset to look at, and I probably couldn't "read" it anyway (I 
am not an IPTABLES/IPCHAINS guru).  Maybe this will help you solve your 
problem, though.

One thing to consider when writing rules for Firewalling and IPMASQ is 
the fact that the ppp0 (dial out) interface doesn't exist on the system 
until you actually dial-out and make a connection.  It is quite 
transient.  Most of the rulesets I have seen are based on forwarding 
between interfaces, hence any rule that forwards/masqs to the ppp0 
interface will fail if the interface doesn't exist!  The key here is to 
establish the connection then run the rule... in that order.  There is 
no need for IPMASQ (normally) until you make the ppp0 connection, so 
there isn't really any need to run the IPMASQ rule until after the 
interface comes up.

This is essentially what you have found out.. the only thing missing is 
to establish the IPMASQ "rule" after the ppp0 interface is established 
You can do this with a script that re-runs (updates) the existing 
"rules" located in the /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ directory.  All of the scripts 
in this directory are run in cannonical order (whatever that means) 
after the link comes up.  Of course, you can also do this manually from 
the command line...if you want (for testing purposes???).

Most packages I have seen that do FIREWALLING also include the 
capability to do IPMASQ.  That is the way I have done it here for 
several years.  I am currently using the "Firestarter" firewall, and it 
works quite nicely on iptables found in the 2.4.XX kernels.  I also used 
the "PMFirewall" package on the ipchains found in the 2.2.XX kernels. 
There are LOTS of these programs available, and each one has its 
advantages and disadvantages.  I would advise using one of these type 
packages and placing the calling script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ direcory on 
a ppp dial-out connection.  This is the most painless way I have found 
to get up & running so-far.  If you are "rolling your own" for 
educational purposes, then just take the above into account in your design.

HTH,

-Don Spoon-





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Re: ADSL and Alcatel USB Modem

[Yannick Van Osselaer]

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> Hi,
>
> I want to connect my Debian Server via an ADSL line.  Has anyone any
> experience of this, what package to use and any of the pit falls ?
>
> Regards
> Nick

http://www.mail-archive.com/speedtouch@ml.free.fr/

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Re: OT: finite-state automata in LaTeX

[Hubert Chan]

> "Jeronimo" == Jeronimo Pellegrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jeronimo> I tried it here and it didn't work... Exporting works OK (but
Jeronimo> you need the transfig package installed); I used:

Jeronimo> \usepackage{epic,eepic}
Jeronimo> \usepackage{psfrag}

Jeronimo> (...)

Jeronimo> \includegraphics{Automaton.pstex}

Use "\input Automaton.pstex_t" instead.  The pstex_t file is the LaTeX
part that has the text, and has its own \includegraphics line to load
the PS part.

Oh, you may also need to add "\usepackage{color}", since xfig uses some
color commands on the text, even if it is all black.

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Re: fups2 mouse in X

[Kent West]

Ruediger Noack wrote:


Hi Kent

Kent West wrote:



PS/2 works, but as you say, without the wheel. I reckon it'll have to 
do for now. Thanks!


Only an idea. Try fuimps2 in gpm.conf and IMPS/2 in X.

cu
Ruediger


Nope. PS/2 is the only driver in X I've found to work. Thanks anyway.

Kent




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