RE: Last mozilla dpkg: unable to connect via ssl

[Joel Soete]

Hi all,
>
>I am running an 'unstable' Debian/GNU linux on my i386 box.
>
>Since last upgrade of mozilla pkg (1.2.1-9), I am not any more able to
>'login via ssl' (sf.net or Savannah): each time I try I get following
>message: 'You can not connect to ... because ssl is disable'.
>
>Even thought that all check box authorise ssl, somebody says me that I
>had to install mozilla-psm; but when I check mozilla dpkg installed:
>ii  mozilla   1.2.1-9   Mozilla
>Web Browser - dummy package
>ii  mozilla-browser   1.2.1-9   Mozilla
>Web Browser - core and browser
>ii  mozilla-chatzilla 1.2.1-9   Mozilla
>Web Browser - irc client
>ii  mozilla-mailnews  1.2.1-9   Mozilla
>Web Browser - mail and news support
>ii  mozilla-psm   1.2.1-9   Mozilla
>Web Browser - Personal Security Manager (PSM)
>ii  mozilla-xmlterm   1.2.1-9   Mozilla
>Web Browser - XML enabled
>t
>it is already installed?
>
>At another moment I also get following message:
>Could not initialize the brouwser's security component.
>The most likely cause is problems with files in your browser's profile
>directory. Please check taht this directory has no read/write
>restrictions and your hard disk is not full or close to full. ...
>
>I so follow advise I check fs which is used at 76% (not so full?).
>I also verify that my user as well the rw access on all its files and
>more x right on dir: all seems ok.
>
>Any idea?
>
>Thanks in advance for additional help,
>   Joel
>
>PS2: I just find another advise in netscape site regarding this message.
>It should be due to a corrupted secmod.db (following an upgrade). I so 
>remove it and well recreated after next restart of mozilla but it did 
>not help??
>

In the continuity of this idea, I nuke completely my user's .mozilla dir
and rebuild it with a re-launch of mozilla. It seems to works back fine.

Cheers,
Joel


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Re: Multiple NICs with Monolithic kernel

[Russell Shaw]

Michael West wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 11:41:30PM +1100, Russell Shaw wrote:

Michael West wrote:

I am having trouble setting up a system for 3 nic cards with a monolithic
kernel ( 2.4.18 )
The three cards are identical and use the eepro100 driver.

For testing I have them set up on the same sub-net.  All three cards are
getting assigned all three ips.
I am not passing any kernel parameters

Here is my /etc/network/interfaces
I think broadcast addresses are set automatically, and you don't
need gateways if you have no external network. The three NICs use
three separate cables, so these are three different nets:


 Seperate cables to not mean seperate nets.  
 In my case they were all going into the same hub.
I haven't used hubs before. Do all the input and output ports
have the same IP address? Can you do that on a pc?
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Re: conflict when adding eth2 (diff, gateway)

[Russell Shaw]

louie miranda wrote:
Actual interface..
---
eth0/inet addr:203.190.72.108  Bcast:203.190.72.111  Mask:255.255.255.248
eth1/inet addr:10.0.0.1  Bcast:10.255.255.255  Mask:255.255.0.0

eth2/inet addr:203.190.77.156 Mask:255.255.255.240, Not yet added.

This *might* work:

Kernel IP routing table
---
Destination Gateway Genmask  Iface
203.190.72.104  0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248  eth0
10.0.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.0.0  eth1
0.0.0.0 203.190.72.110  0.0.0.0  eth0
203.190.77.144  203.190.77.156  255.255.255.240  eth2
> I have 3NICS, eth0 (primary gateway) and eth1 (lan network) and eth2
> (diffrent network and gateway..)
>
> When i add the eth2 using this command
>
> /sbin/ifconfig eth2 203.190.77.156 netmask 255.255.255.240 up
>
> Connections going to 203.190.77 block all hangs, i dont know why.
> Im trying to add the route gateway to 203.190.77.158 (gateway) for
> 203.190.77 block, but it does not work. Error says, Invalid eth*
> But i can see eth2.
>
> Any ideas?
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Re: small spamassassin configuration question

[Sandip P Deshmukh]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 12:14:30AM -0500, Hubert Chan wrote:
> > "Sandip" == Sandip P Deshmukh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Sandip> hello all could someone tell me whats the location of systemwide
> Sandip> configuration file for spamassassin (spamd)?
> 
> Sandip> per user configuration file is ~/.spamassassin/user-prefs. but
> Sandip> unless i allow per user preferences in the systemwide
> Sandip> configuration file, the per user confguration does not come into
> Sandip> effect.
> 
> Are you looking for /etc/default/spamassassin?  (Which lets you pass
> command line options to spamd.)  Or /etc/spamassassin?

well, i had done /etc/default/spamassassin earlier. to limit no of child
processes -m option. here i was looking at /etc/spamassassin

> AFAICT, spamd should use per-user configuration files by default.  At
> least it does for me.

ah yes. but i read in one of the man pages, i dont remember which, that
doing so is a big security hole. so, i was thinking of only having
system-wide perference file. currently i have
/etc/spamassassin/user_prefs. am not too sure if that is the systemwide
file. and here is what man Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf has to say:

   Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf - SpamAssassin configuration file

   These settings differ from the ones above, in that they
   are considered 'privileged'.  Only users running "spamas­
   sassin" from their procmailrc's or forward files, or
   sysadmins editing a file in "/etc/spamassassin", can use
   them.   "spamd" users cannot use them in their
   "user_prefs" files, for security and efficiency reasons,
   unless allow_user_rules is enabled (and then, they may
   only add rules from below).

   allow_user_rules { 0 | 1 } (default: 0)
   This setting allows users to create rules (and only
   rules) in their "user_prefs" files for use with
   "spamd". It defaults to off, because this could be a
   severe security hole. It may be possible for users to
   gain root level access if "spamd" is run as root. It
   is NOT a good idea, unless you have some other way of
   ensuring that users' tests are safe. Don't use this
   unless you are certain you know what you are doing.

what is this referring to??

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Re: command-line biff?

[Vineet Kumar]

* Nori Heikkinen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030222 14:47]:
> does anyone know of a command-line version of some biff or buffy or
> whatever (mail notification program)?  i just wrote a little shell
> script to do it, that uses the xbuffy boxfile, but i was wondering if
> there were packages out there for that purpose.
> 
> i want this because often i'm logged in from some place i can't
> X-forward to, and i want to see how many new messages i have in what
> mailbox without opening all of them up.

Using mbox?

man --pager='less -s +/MAIL' bash

Using maildir?  Then the script is pretty simple; just count the number
of files in the 'new' subdirs.

Also see 'mutt -y'.

good times,
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Re: [OT] Multiple NICs with Monolithic kernel

[Russell Shaw]

David Cureton wrote:
As an a-side but in a similar vein:
 	How can one ensure that the physical interfaces get assigned to the same 
interface consistently after rebooting. Is the only way to explicitly specify 
the physical interface/physical hardware address combination as a kernel 
parameter. 

On a firewall I have i am only slightly paranoid that the machine may come up 
after a power failure and re-assign the physical interfaces differently. Up 
until now all the interfaces have had different drivers so it has not been an 
issue.  module aliases have ensured eth1 does not come up as eth0 and so on.

ideas?
I think pci is sorted by the kernel probing at bootup. Google finds a few
references to it.
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Re: Xterm key mapping

[Russell Shaw]

Gregory Seidman wrote:
Russell Shaw sez:
} Where can i find a list of key names for use
} in vt100 translations? There's a bunch of
} things in /etc/X11/xbd, but things like
} "BackSpace" aren't there.
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB

You can also use xmodmap -pke to find out which keysyms are actually bound
on your keyboard.
} Does xterm have its own list?

No.

} What does the tilde(~) character do?

Negation. In the first of the translations below, releasing the second
button only pastes if neither control nor meta are pressed.
} XTerm*vt100.translations: #override\n\
}   ~Ctrl ~Meta:  insert-selection(PRIMARY, CLIPBOARD)\n\
}   :  select-end(PRIMARY, CLIPBOARD)\n\
}   ShiftUp: scroll-back(1,line)\n\
[...]
--Greg
Thanks. I found another useful way to see keycodes is xev.
XKeysymDB seems to have something different. What are these
used in? :
apLineDel   :1000FF00 

apCharDel   :1000FF01 

apCopy  :1000FF02 

apCut   :1000FF03 

apPaste :1000FF04 

apMove  :1000FF05 

apGrow  :1000FF06 

apCmd   :1000FF07 

apShell :1000FF08 

apLeftBar   :1000FF09 

apRightBar  :1000FF0A 

apLeftBox   :1000FF0B 

apRightBox  :1000FF0C 

apUpBox :1000FF0D
...
osfCopy :1004FF02 

osfCut  :1004FF03 

osfPaste:1004FF04 

osfBackTab  :1004FF07 

osfBackSpace:1004FF08 

osfClear:1004FF0B 

osfEscape   :1004FF1B 

osfAddMode  :1004FF31 

osfPrimaryPaste :1004FF32 

osfQuickPaste   :1004FF33 

osfPageLeft :1004FF40 

osfPageUp   :1004FF41 

osfPageDown :1004FF42 

osfPageRight:1004FF43 

osfActivate :1004FF44 

osfMenuBar  :1004FF45 

osfLeft :1004FF51 

osfUp   :1004FF52 

osfRight:1004FF53 

osfDown :1004FF54 

osfPrior:1004FF55 

osfNext :1004FF56 

osfEndLine  :1004FF57 

osfBeginLine:1004FF58
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Re: Upgrading from Stable to Testing

[sean finney]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 10:44:16PM -0600, Hanasaki JiJi wrote:
> IMO, yes.
> 
> Although, I use "sarge" not "testing" to be sure that I dont 
> inadvertantly upgrade to the next version of testing by accident.

right, but beware, there's lots of folks who say that testing is
worse off than unstable right now, because of the whole gcc/g++
transition holding up all the upgrades from making it into testing...


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Re: make gnome2 theme persistent

[Hubert Chan]

> "Roman" == Roman Joost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Roman> Does anyone know how to set the gnome2 theme on hold? *G If i set
Roman> up a new gnome2 theme in the gnome-control-center, restart my
Roman> X-Session (i use windowmaker and not all that gnome2 stuff) the
Roman> xchat2 uses the default gnome2 theme.  Is there a way to load my
Roman> theme on startup? Maybe a program what i miss? I looked a bit
Roman> with google, but can't find anything...

Untested, but try editing/creating ~/.gtkrc-2.0 to say

include ""

(making the obvious substitution).  That is what Gnome1 did for the
.gtkrc file, so something like that might work for Gnome2.

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Re: small spamassassin configuration question

[Hubert Chan]

> "Sandip" == Sandip P Deshmukh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Sandip> hello all could someone tell me whats the location of systemwide
Sandip> configuration file for spamassassin (spamd)?

Sandip> per user configuration file is ~/.spamassassin/user-prefs. but
Sandip> unless i allow per user preferences in the systemwide
Sandip> configuration file, the per user confguration does not come into
Sandip> effect.

Are you looking for /etc/default/spamassassin?  (Which lets you pass
command line options to spamd.)  Or /etc/spamassassin?

AFAICT, spamd should use per-user configuration files by default.  At
least it does for me.

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Re: PHP --with-imap

[Michel Loos]

Em Dom, 2003-02-23 às 23:35, Craig Jackson escreveu:
> On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 18:48, Rob Weir wrote:
> [snipped]
> 
> > Well, 90% of the time, it's actually simpler.  e.g.
> > 1) setup deb-src lines in your sources.list (you only need to do this
> >once, ever)
> > 2) apt-get source packagename;apt-get build-dep packagename.  This will
> >download the source, untar it and patch it, then go get everything
> >you need to build it (avoiding the libc-client2001 issue you're
> >having).

apt-get build-dep 

will fail since libc-client2002-dev is missing.

There is a real problem this moment with the php4-imap package, which is also 
uninstallable in binary form.

Michel.


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Re: Multiple NICs with Monolithic kernel

[Michael West]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 11:41:30PM +1100, Russell Shaw wrote:
> Michael West wrote:
> >I am having trouble setting up a system for 3 nic cards with a monolithic
> >kernel ( 2.4.18 )
> >
> >The three cards are identical and use the eepro100 driver.
> >
> >For testing I have them set up on the same sub-net.  All three cards are
> >getting assigned all three ips.
> >
> >I am not passing any kernel parameters
> >
> >Here is my /etc/network/interfaces
> 
> I think broadcast addresses are set automatically, and you don't
> need gateways if you have no external network. The three NICs use
> three separate cables, so these are three different nets:

 Seperate cables to not mean seperate nets.  
 In my case they were all going into the same hub.
 
 Fileservers will often have multiple NICs to get the throughput and full 
 use of raid-5.

 I realize that some of these things are set automatically, but it gives
 me comfort to see them.  One more thing I can enter wrong, but one
 more thing I can see is right. 
  
Thanks for your reply,

 ~Michael

> --
> auto lo eth0 eth1 eth2
> iface lo inet loopback
> 
> iface eth0 inet static
> address 10.0.1.10
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> network 10.0.1.0
> 
> iface eth1 inet static
> address 10.0.2.10
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> network 10.0.2.0
> 
> iface eth2 inet static
> address 10.0.3.10
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> network 10.0.3.0
> 


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Re: Multiple NICs with Monolithic kernel

[Michael West]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 07:48:45PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 11:51, Michael West wrote:
> 
> > With this setup and only one card with a cable attached I can ping all
> > three addresses 10.0.1.10, 10.0.1.11, and 10.0.1.12.  This is true no
> > matter which card is plugged in.  
> 
> That's because the kernel doesn't particularly care which physical
> interface a packet arrives on (unless you implement firewalling).  A
> packet arrives on the ethernet interface and the kernel says "is that
> me?" ... it is, it accepts the packet and it responds.  This is very
> simplistic but I believe that's what's happening.

 That makes sense to me.  

  --SNIP--
> 
> 
> 10.0.1.00.0.0.0   255.255.255.0 [snip]  eth0
> 10.0.1.00.0.0.0   255.255.255.0 [snip]  eth1
> 10.0.1.00.0.0.0   255.255.255.0 [snip]  eth2
> 0.0.0.010.0.1.3   0.0.0.0   [snip]  eth0
> 0.0.0.010.0.1.3   0.0.0.0   [snip]  eth1
> 0.0.0.010.0.1.3   0.0.0.0   [snip]  eth2

 Yes, that is the routing table, I tried different ones as well, I
 really don't need three identical default routes.  
> 
> I might be wrong on this but I don't think the kernel tries additional
> routes, when it finds the first matching route it routes that way and is
> done with the packet.

 Right.  And if none match then it tries the default.
> 
> So, no matter which ethernet cable is plugged in, the route to your
> local network will always be bound to eth0, AFAIK.  To prove this try
> pinging the other IPs from a remote machine, then check what MAC address
> shows up in that machine's arp tables ... I suspect that you will see
> the same MAC address for all IPs, obviously because all reponses are
> coming through the same interface.
> 
> What is the effect that you're trying to achieve by assigning IPs to
> dedicated network cards?  Are you expecting enough traffic to saturate
> the ethernet connection?  If you're doing this for load balancing then
> it can be done with multipath routing (see iproute2 tool).

 I was only testing that my new cards worked.  So I have achieved
 that, but was confused about what I was experiancing.  This is
 going to be a gateway/firewall machine connecting 3 subnets.  
 
 I had never attached two cards on a box to the same network, and
 had never thought about how that would work.  So I am trying to
 learn.  You have helped.


 The final thing which I still do not understand is that, after I
 passed the ether= kernel parameters for each card, only eth0 would
 work.  But if I `ifdown eth0` then only eth1 would work.  Finally
 if I `ifdown eth1` then eth2 would work.  This one has got me
 stumped.  

> > I wish to use a monolithic kernel for security.  Can you help me
> > understand either how to set this up so each card gets one ip and/or
> > understand how each card is getting all three?  
> 
> By monolithic kernel do you mean not using modules?  Why is that more
> secure?

 Yes, I mean not using modules.  This is the completly paranoid way
 of avoiding kernel module rootkits.  I use only monolithic kernels
 on DMZ and Firewall machines.  Not that I am really much of a
 netadmin, as is evident.  This is my hobby. 

 Here is a link if you what to learn a little about kernel module
 security.  
 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch9.en.html#s9.3

And here is much more detail:

http://packetstormsecurity.org/docs/hack/LKM_HACKING.html

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Re: Upgrading from Stable to Testing

[Hanasaki JiJi]

IMO, yes.

Although, I use "sarge" not "testing" to be sure that I dont 
inadvertantly upgrade to the next version of testing by accident.

M. Kirchhoff wrote:
Once I've got the Stable release of Woody running, is the best way to
move up to the Testing level to simply change my  to point
to
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main

and then run

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
If there's a better/more efficient way, please let me know!  Thanks!

Newbfully,
M. Kirchhoff

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Re: Latest MPlayer

[Nathan Poznick]

Thus spake Trey Sizemore:
> What do I add to my sources list to get the latest MPlayer?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Trey

deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main
deb-src http://perso.wanadoo.fr/debian/ unstable main

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small spamassassin configuration question

[Sandip P Deshmukh]

hello all

could someone tell me whats the location of systemwide configuration
file for spamassassin (spamd)?

per user configuration file is ~/.spamassassin/user-prefs. but unless i
allow per user preferences in the systemwide configuration file, the per
user confguration does not come into effect.

thanx in advance

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DocBook

[Mike M]

I want to restart my DocBook efforts.  I have SGML source and want to produce 
HTML and PDF docs

Should I start by installing these packages: docbook, docbook-dsssl?

(http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/sgml-howto/x323.html seems out of date)
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conflict when adding eth2 (diff, gateway)

[louie miranda]

Actual interface..
---
eth0/inet addr:203.190.72.108  Bcast:203.190.72.111  Mask:255.255.255.248
eth1/inet addr:10.0.0.1  Bcast:10.255.255.255  Mask:255.255.0.0

> eth2/inet addr:203.190.77.156 Mask:255.255.255.240, Not yet added.


Kernel IP routing table
---
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
Iface
203.190.72.104  0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248 U 0  00 eth0
10.0.0.00.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0  00 eth1
0.0.0.0 203.190.72.110  0.0.0.0 UG0  00 eth0



I have 3NICS, eth0 (primary gateway) and eth1 (lan network) and eth2
(diffrent network and gateway..)

When i add the eth2 using this command

/sbin/ifconfig eth2 203.190.77.156 netmask 255.255.255.240 up

Connections going to 203.190.77 block all hangs, i dont know why.
Im trying to add the route gateway to 203.190.77.158 (gateway) for
203.190.77 block, but it does not work. Error says, Invalid eth*
But i can see eth2.

Any ideas?




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Upgrading from Stable to Testing

[M. Kirchhoff]

Once I've got the Stable release of Woody running, is the best way to
move up to the Testing level to simply change my  to point
to

http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main

and then run

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade

If there's a better/more efficient way, please let me know!  Thanks!

Newbfully,
M. Kirchhoff


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Re: Latest MPlayer

[Cameron Matheson]

Hi,

Don't use apt for this.  Compile it yourself you will be happier.  If
you want to take the easy route you won't even have to RTFM, just run
'debian/rules' in the source directory (although i would recommend
reading the install guide).

Good luck,
Cameron


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> What do I add to my sources list to get the latest MPlayer?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Trey
> 
> 
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[OT] Multiple NICs with Monolithic kernel

[David Cureton]

As an a-side but in a similar vein:
How can one ensure that the physical interfaces get assigned to the same 
interface consistently after rebooting. Is the only way to explicitly specify 
the physical interface/physical hardware address combination as a kernel 
parameter. 

On a firewall I have i am only slightly paranoid that the machine may come up 
after a power failure and re-assign the physical interfaces differently. Up 
until now all the interfaces have had different drivers so it has not been an 
issue.  module aliases have ensured eth1 does not come up as eth0 and so on.

ideas?

On Monday 24 February 2003 04:28, Michael West wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 08:51:31AM -0800, Michael West wrote:
> > I am having trouble setting up a system for 3 nic cards with a monolithic
> > kernel ( 2.4.18 )
>
> I tried passing kernel parameters
>
> ether=11,0x2000,eth0 ether=10,0x4000,eth1 ether=9,0x6000,eth2
>
> Now I can only ping all three addresses if eth0 is connected by cable.
> eth1 and eth2 no longer respond though ifconfig output has not changed.
>
> Also if I bring the interfaces down and backup I get an error both
> ways on the last interface.  The order of the interfaces does not
> matter.
>
> --
> SIOCADDRT: File exists
> --
>
> for example
>
> ifup eth1
> ifup eth0
> ifup eth2
> SIOCADDRT: File exists
>
> ifdown eth0
> ifdown eth2
> ifdown eth1
> SIOCDELRT: No such process


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Re: Xterm key mapping

[Gregory Seidman]

Russell Shaw sez:
} Where can i find a list of key names for use
} in vt100 translations? There's a bunch of
} things in /etc/X11/xbd, but things like
} "BackSpace" aren't there.

/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB

You can also use xmodmap -pke to find out which keysyms are actually bound
on your keyboard.

} Does xterm have its own list?

No.

} What does the tilde(~) character do?

Negation. In the first of the translations below, releasing the second
button only pastes if neither control nor meta are pressed.

} XTerm*vt100.translations: #override\n\
}   ~Ctrl ~Meta:insert-selection(PRIMARY, CLIPBOARD)\n\
}   :select-end(PRIMARY, CLIPBOARD)\n\
}   ShiftUp:   scroll-back(1,line)\n\
[...]
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Xterm key mapping

[Russell Shaw]

Hi all,

Where can i find a list of key names for use
in vt100 translations? There's a bunch of
things in /etc/X11/xbd, but things like
"BackSpace" aren't there. Does xterm have
its own list? What does the tilde(~) character
do?
XTerm*vt100.translations: #override\n\
  ~Ctrl ~Meta:insert-selection(PRIMARY, CLIPBOARD)\n\
  :select-end(PRIMARY, CLIPBOARD)\n\
  ShiftUp:   scroll-back(1,line)\n\
  ShiftDown: scroll-forw(1,line)\n\
  ShiftPrior:scroll-back(1,page)\n\
  ShiftNext: scroll-forw(1,page)\n\
  KP_Subtract:   scroll-back(1,page)\n\
  KP_Add:scroll-forw(1,page)\n\
  CtrlPrior: scroll-back(1,line)\n\
  CtrlNext:  scroll-forw(1,line)\n\
  Home:  string("\033OH")\n\
  End:   string("\033OF")\n\
  ShiftBackSpace:string("\210")\n\
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Re: [OT]: < 10pt in LaTeX?

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:43:45PM -0500, Levi Waldron insinuated:
> On February 23, 2003 03:18 pm, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> > does anyone know if it's possible to specify a smaller than 10pt
> > font size for a LaTeX document without resorting to putting the
> > entire document in one big \tiny{}?  --which is cool for my
> > purposes ... i'm just curious.
> 
> See http://old.ait.iastate.edu/olc/packages/tex/pt.question.html for
> example, for how to define your own fonts using the \newfont command
> - it's easy.

that's cool ... i was looking for an option i could just pass to
\documentstyle, i guess, but you can only tell it to be 10, 11, and
12pt.  whatever; this is likely the only thing i'll ever do in \tiny
:)



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Re: command-line biff?

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:44:37PM -0500, Matthew Weier O'Phinney insinuated:
> -- Nori Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> (on Sunday, 23 February 2003, 02:21 PM -0500):
> > on Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:02:37PM +0100, Marcio Rosa da Silva insinuated:
> > > Maybe I don't get the point, but aren't the 'MAIL' and 'MAILCHECK'
> > > vars in bash or 'mail' in tcsh for this?
> > 
> > I didn't know about these, but they don't seem to be what i want ...
[...]
> > i'm looking for something that will tell me how many new messages i
> > have in what box at any given time.
> 
> I assume you're using bash...? 

well, zsh, but close enough.

> In the bash man page, right below the two you list above:
>
>MAILPATH
>   A colon-separated list of file names to be checked for mail.
>   The message to be printed when mail arrives in a particular
>   file may be specified by separating the file name from the
>   message with a `?'.  When used in the text of the message, $_
>   expands to  the  name  of  the  current  mailfile.
>   Example:
>   MAILPATH='/var/mail/bfox?"You have mail":~/shell-mail?"$_ has
>   mail!"' Bash  supplies a default value for this variable, but
>   the location of the user mail files that it uses is system
>   dependent (e.g., /var/mail/$USER).
> 
> Is that what you want?

no, it is not what i want.  this will only tell me when a mailbox
specified in the MAILPATH receives mail.  i do *not* want a
notification program, i want something that keeps tabs on how much new
mail i have where.  if i log in to a console and don't want to open
every single mailbox i have to find out which has _mail that is marked
as new_ --- not necessarily mail that just got delivered, or mail that
is new since i last opened the box.  the MAILPATH variable as
specified above will not do this.



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Latest MPlayer

[Trey Sizemore]

What do I add to my sources list to get the latest MPlayer?

Thanks,

Trey


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Re: command-line biff?

[Matthew Weier O'Phinney]

-- Nori Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Sunday, 23 February 2003, 02:21 PM -0500):
> on Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:02:37PM +0100, Marcio Rosa da Silva insinuated:
> > Maybe I don't get the point, but aren't the 'MAIL' and 'MAILCHECK'
> > vars in bash or 'mail' in tcsh for this?
> 
> I didn't know about these, but they don't seem to be what i want ...
> 
>MAIL   If  this  parameter  is  set to a file name and the
>   MAILPATH variable is not set, bash informs the user
>   of the arrival of mail in the specified file.
>MAILCHECK
>   Specifies  how  often  (in seconds) bash checks for
>   mail.  The default is 60 seconds.  When it is  time
>   to  check  for  mail, the shell does so before dis?
>   playing the primary prompt.  If  this  variable  is
>   unset, the shell disables mail checking.
> 
> i'm looking for something that will tell me how many new messages i
> have in what box at any given time.

I assume you're using bash...? In the bash man page, right below the two
you list above:

   MAILPATH
  A colon-separated list of file names to be checked for mail.
  The message to be printed when mail arrives in a particular
  file may be specified by separating the file name from the
  message with a `?'.  When used in the text of the message, $_
  expands to  the  name  of  the  current  mailfile.
  Example:
  MAILPATH='/var/mail/bfox?"You have mail":~/shell-mail?"$_ has
  mail!"' Bash  supplies a default value for this variable, but
  the location of the user mail files that it uses is system
  dependent (e.g., /var/mail/$USER).

Is that what you want?

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Re: help - install fails after 1st reboot

[eauclair]

Hi Russell and Bob,

> I haven't used the CD install. Check that the modules have
> been added to /etc/modules. If not, do "depmod -n" to get
> an idea of what to add. depmod then modprobe -a \* should
> get them all going without rebooting.

My problem was GRUB!  I had the wrong kernel specified in my grub.conf.  I
am dualbooting WinXP, Redhat73, and Debian.  I don't think I even mentioned
grub in my first posts.  I now have the correct kernel specified, and all my
modules load an work.  I can ping my ISP's DNS server, so I think I can get
on the internet ok.  I have no idea what kernel it was loading before!

Thanks for all the help, I should be able to get a little farther now that
my NIC works.

thanks!


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Re: PHP --with-imap

[Craig Jackson]

On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 18:48, Rob Weir wrote:
[snipped]

> Well, 90% of the time, it's actually simpler.  e.g.
> 1) setup deb-src lines in your sources.list (you only need to do this
>once, ever)
> 2) apt-get source packagename;apt-get build-dep packagename.  This will
>download the source, untar it and patch it, then go get everything
>you need to build it (avoiding the libc-client2001 issue you're
>having).
> 3) Edit debian/rules to change the './configure' line to only include
>modules that you want.
> 4) debuild.  This builds the source and packages it.
> 5) install the resulting deb with dpkg.
> 6) Profit!
> 
> Total human interaction time: 2 minutes.

I appreciate your response and will seriously look into this method. It
does look promising. 

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Re: dpkg package configuration level(?)

[Geordie Birch]

said Corey Hickey (on 2003-02-23),

> When I set up my debian system a long time ago, I remember being asked
> to specify what level of configuration questions I wanted to be asked.
>
> Now, despite my best efforts, I cannot seem to recall what that
> "configuration-level" option was called, or how to change it, and my
> google searches have been fruitless.

dpkg-reconfigure debconf

Geordie.


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Re: HELP_NEWBIE! Dns under kde

[Nick Hastings]

Hi,

   firstly, please send your emails to the list only, not to
individuals (unless they specifically request it).

* PaoloAlbanesi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030224 09:17]:
> 
> let me ask you something more:
> I've read the manual but something is not clear to me. I need to give a 
> gateway address and search for a DNS server (hostname and 2 IPs number) 
> under a DHCP session.
> How can I do?

Using dhcp should be easy. Put something like the following in your
/etc/network/interfaces

auto lo eth0
iface lo inet loopback
iface eth0 inet dhcp


The dhcp server should set your nameserver for you. If not, you can
explicitly specify name servers in /etc/resolve.conf, with lines like:

nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
nameserver yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy

Cheers,

Nick.

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Re: df returning inaccurate results

[Michael Heironimus]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 06:26:42PM -0600, Caitrin Torres wrote:
> I noticed today that df is not returning correct results. I saw that I was low 
> on disk space so I deleted two files from my home directory that together 
> were taking up nearly 1GB and then reran df. It returned the same numbers as 
> from before I deleted files. To wit:
> 
> $df -h
> FilesystemSizeUsedAvailUse%Mounted on
> /dev/hda5 2.8G1.8G939M 66% /
> /dev/hda7 10G 8.8G822M 92% /home
> 
> What confuses me is that du returns a very different number which *does* 
> reflect the fact that I've deleted files.
> 
> $du -csh /home/*
> 7.9G/home/cait
> 7.9G/total
> 
> What can be causing this?

Were the files still in use (like many logfiles would be) when you
removed them? If so, they'll exist on disk until they're closed so
they'll keep using up space, but there won't be a directory entry for
them anymore so du won't show them.

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Re: kernel compile

[Kent West]

Timothy Braje wrote:

I have been having some difficulty getting a newly compiled kernel 
to work on my system.  I have successfully compiled and installed 
before but this problem has stumped me.

Basically, I compile (using make-kpkg) and install the kernel.  When
I try to boot it, though, the only things that are printed to the screen 
are:
	Loading linux
	Bios Check Successful
(Though the screen flashes so fast, I am not sure if it fully sure if it 
writes the whole phrase).
 

Does this mean that after printing these two lines, the screen flashes a 
few times and then goes black and locks up, or does it continually flash 
and there's no way to stop it, or what?

I assume that when you compiled the kernel you specified to optimize for 
the P3 and not for a Duron or something similar?

Any number of things could go wrong with a kernel compile. You might 
start by posting your .config file so we can look for anything obvious.

Kent



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Re: Multiple NICs with Monolithic kernel

[Russell Shaw]

Michael West wrote:
I am having trouble setting up a system for 3 nic cards with a monolithic
kernel ( 2.4.18 )
The three cards are identical and use the eepro100 driver.

For testing I have them set up on the same sub-net.  All three cards are
getting assigned all three ips.
I am not passing any kernel parameters

Here is my /etc/network/interfaces
I think broadcast addresses are set automatically, and you don't
need gateways if you have no external network. The three NICs use
three separate cables, so these are three different nets:
--
auto lo eth0 eth1 eth2
iface lo inet loopback
iface eth0 inet static
address 10.0.1.10
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 10.0.1.0
iface eth1 inet static
address 10.0.2.10
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 10.0.2.0
iface eth2 inet static
address 10.0.3.10
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 10.0.3.0



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Re: dpkg package configuration level(?)

[sean finney]

hi corey,

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 04:40:33PM -0800, Corey Hickey wrote:
> Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or am I just massively
> confused?

try 

# dpkg-reconfigure debconf


hth
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Re: df returning inaccurate results

[michael]

On Monday 24 February 2003 01:26, Caitrin Torres wrote:
> I noticed today that df is not returning correct results. I saw that I was
> low on disk space so I deleted two files from my home directory that
> together were taking up nearly 1GB and then reran df. It returned the same
> numbers as from before I deleted files. To wit:
>
> $df -h
> FilesystemSizeUsedAvailUse%Mounted on
> /dev/hda5 2.8G1.8G939M 66% /
> /dev/hda7 10G 8.8G822M 92% /home
>
> What confuses me is that du returns a very different number which *does*
> reflect the fact that I've deleted files.
>
> $du -csh /home/*
> 7.9G/home/cait
> 7.9G/total
>
> What can be causing this?

I'd guess, that some process has the two files in question still open.
Then, when deleting the files, only the corresponding directory-entry will 
vanish.
Only when the process closes the file, the data (which occupies the space) 
vanishes too.
Thus df returns the accurate results, whereas du has no chance to see and 
count
the files and their sizes.

HTH, Michael


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Re: spamc vs. razor-check ???

[Levi Waldron]

On February 23, 2003 07:44 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Replace spamc
> with spamassassin and disable spamd if you're not going to use it at
> the MTA level, it's a bit more secure that way.

However, calling spamc (a command-line client for spamd) seems to be much 
much faster than calling spamassassin.  For me calling spamassassin took 
5-10s per message, and spamc instead cut it down to a fraction of a second 
per message.

-Levi


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Re: bogofilter feeback to mail server

[Fraser Campbell]

On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 16:35, Kevin Coyner wrote:

> Has anyone come up with a good way of getting that spam back to the mail
> server so that bogofilter can be run against it to update the files
> goodlist.db and spamlist.db?

What I do is I have some special IMAP folders for handling spam.  I have
Spam/Reg, Spam/Detected and Spam/NonReg folders.  When bogofilter
receives an email that it thinks is spam it files it into Spam/Detected.

When Spam slips through bogofilter undetected I simply grab the email in
my email client and drop it into the Spam/Reg folder to "register" it. 
When Nonspam gets marked as Spam (rare) I drag it into the Spam/NonReg
to make bogofilter smarter.  I regularly copy my good mail into
Spam/NonReg as well so that bogofilter gets a regular feeding of new
"clean" mail.

I have a cron job on the server that runs once per hour and handles
registering the emails for me.  Since I use Maildir format every email
is an individual file making my job particularly easy.  Here's roughly
what my cronjob looks like:

 script begins 
#!/bin/sh
# Registers spam and non-spam with bogofilter automatically

for dir in $HOME/Maildir/.Spam.Reg.cur $HOME/Maildir/.Spam.Reg.new
do
find $dir -type f 2>/dev/null | while read file; do
bogofilter -s < $file && rm  $file
done
done

for dir in $HOME/Maildir/.Spam.NonReg.cur $HOME/Maildir/.Spam.NonReg.new
do
find $dir -type f 2>/dev/null | while read file; do
bogofilter -n < $file && rm $file
done
done

 script ends 

What I particularly like about my solution is that it works with any
IMAP email client.  I can use webmail, outlook, kmail, evolution, etc.
and my spam detection/training mechanism is completely integrated.

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Re: Need help configuring box as router

[Russell Shaw]

Justin Ryan wrote:
On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 12:27, Nathan E Norman wrote:

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 11:13:24AM -0500, Scott Ehrlich wrote:

[ top posting SUCKS ]



[ self-righteousness SUCKS ]


Other than the Firwall HOWTO I referenced, what other areas of my install
should I look at, and how should the files/configuration appear?

screw the firewall howto, look at this:

http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO.html

What you want is called NAT, or Network Address Translation.  If you
want the low-cholesterol version, check:
http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1

Of course, you _could_ let this 'ipmasq' package do it for you, and it
probably does as good of a job as my own scripts, but it's good to know
what's under the hood (and it ain't much).
To see the rules ipmasq is using: ipmasq -v

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getting gnome-session to use /etc/gnome/default.wm

[Daniel B.]

Does anyone know what it takes to get /etc/gnome/default.wm to 
take effect?

When GNOME creates my ~/.gnome* directories, it always creates
~/.gnome/default.wm, with WM=sawfish regardless of what I put in
/etc/gnome/default.wm.

In the Debian-default /etc/gnome/default.session, is the line:

  2,RestartCommand=gnome-wm --default-wm sawfish --sm-client-id default2

supposed to override /etc/gnome/default.wm for purposes of creating
~/.gnome/default.wm.

(In case it makes a difference:  I start gnome-session by having "exec
x-session-manager" at the end of my .xsession file.)


More generally, is there any good explanation of how GNOME setup works?

(I've found GNOME user documentation, but nothing about installing it
or setting it up.   I've been using just FVWM, and want to convert
somewhat incrementally to GNOME with FVWM, so I don't want to jump 
directly to the Debian-default GDM/GNOME/Sawfish setup.)


Thanks,
Daniel
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Re: Screen scaling (was A bug?)

[Russell Shaw]

Daniel B. wrote:
Russell Shaw wrote:

...
Doesn't that mean that any assumptions about font and window sizes by
X apps is all wrong? Instead of 1pt being 1/72", it's more like 1/60",


Actually, 1 point is always 1/72".  (That's the definition of a point.)
That's what i mean. If you measure 1pt with a ruler against the screen,
you should see 1/72" regardless of whether the monitor is set to 640x480
or 1024x768. Resolution should only have the effect of making diagonal
lines and curves less smoother. With 100dpi on my system, 1/72" ends up
being physically 1/60".
But you are absolutely correct that many assumptions about displayed 
font sizes are wrong.

... It also means that
changing the resolution from 800x600 to 1024x768 changes the *physical*
screen size, 
Do you mean the screen size of a font (the size of a font on the screen),
or the screen size (the size of the screen)?
It will cause the physical size (what you measure with a ruler) of fonts
and windows to change. The physical dimensions of your monitor as reported
by xdpyinfo will also be wrong.
making all the fonts and everything else change size when
they should be constant.
Which sizes do you think should be constant?

If I increase my screen resolution (number of pixels), it's usually
because I want more information on my screen, so (usually) everything
should stay the same size in pixels but shrink in physical size on the
screen.
No. That's broken microsoft behaviour. Increasing the resolution should
only make angled lines and curves smoother. If you want everything on
the desktop like menus and icons to be a different size, there should
be a setting in the window manager, or you could use startx -- -dpi 100
to change everything including the font sizes.
(Of course, there are other cases too.  One might increase screen
resolution to display something more smoothly but still want physical
sizes of everything to stay the same.)
I think the problem is that we don't distinguish between the specified
printing size of text and the currently displayed size of text.
(Actually, that second part is "the size on the display of the screen
font currently used to display text with the specified printing size.")
By specifying DisplaySize in XF86Config-4, fonts should all *look* the
same size on different sized monitors. However, because gui toolkits
specify most things in pixels, then windows and menus should change
size with the size of the monitor.
To me, a "10-point font" is one that prints on paper with a size of 10
points (if no further scaling is done when printing).  Obviously, text
set to print at 10 points can appear at any size on the screen.
It makes sense to talk about a "10-point screen font" only when it's
calibrated for the screen resolution in pixels and for the physical
screen size.
I read somewhere (when doing M$ programming) that the physical size
displayed for a font on the screen is bigger than the same font on
a printer, to compensate that monitors are usually read further away.
This would be acceptable.
Regarding assumptions' being wrong, one major peeve is MS Outlook and
its users.  When the default "12-point" font size looks too big on their
screens, they think that it's appropriate to set the font size to "10
points."  That causes Outlook to send HTML mail with an HTML font size of
2.  My browser/mailer is adjusted to display normal-sized text (size=3)
at a comfortable screen size.  Of course, when I get the Outlook-
originated mail with a reduced HTML font size, it displays uncomfortably
small on my screen.  ...all because Bill Gates and company don't provide
a way to display message text in a smaller screen font on the local 
machine without screwing with the HTML font size.
I see some mail like that in mozilla, but i have it set so that
when i hit reply, the message is converted to plain ascii which
is easier to read.
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Re: Multiple NICs with Monolithic kernel

[Fraser Campbell]

On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 11:51, Michael West wrote:

> With this setup and only one card with a cable attached I can ping all
> three addresses 10.0.1.10, 10.0.1.11, and 10.0.1.12.  This is true no
> matter which card is plugged in.  

That's because the kernel doesn't particularly care which physical
interface a packet arrives on (unless you implement firewalling).  A
packet arrives on the ethernet interface and the kernel says "is that
me?" ... it is, it accepts the packet and it responds.  This is very
simplistic but I believe that's what's happening.

As an example of this behaviour we have a firewall that has a DSL
Internet connection (using rp-pppoe), along with our single DSL IP
(let's pretend 172.16.12.254) we have a /28 network routed to us (let's
say 172.16.13.0/28).

The DSL IP is assigned by rp-pppoe to ppp0, we actually assigned the /28
subnet to a dummy interface, so we have something like this:

dummy0   -> 172.16.31.1
dummy0:2 -> 172.16.31.2

We assigned the extra subnet to the dummy interface since that let us
keep it distinct from the pppoe connection. When our pppoe interface
gets reset we don't need to worry about making sure the extra IPs  are
brought up again as we would if we'd bound them to ppp0:1, ppp0:2, etc.

The point is that no matter how a packet arrives your machine will
respond to it provided routing and firewalling let it, it doesn't have
to arrive on the "right" interface.

If you can email as a copy of your routing table that would be helpful,
based on what you describe I would expect that the routing table looks
like this:

10.0.1.00.0.0.0   255.255.255.0 [snip]  eth0
10.0.1.00.0.0.0   255.255.255.0 [snip]  eth1
10.0.1.00.0.0.0   255.255.255.0 [snip]  eth2
0.0.0.010.0.1.3   0.0.0.0   [snip]  eth0
0.0.0.010.0.1.3   0.0.0.0   [snip]  eth1
0.0.0.010.0.1.3   0.0.0.0   [snip]  eth2

I might be wrong on this but I don't think the kernel tries additional
routes, when it finds the first matching route it routes that way and is
done with the packet.

So, no matter which ethernet cable is plugged in, the route to your
local network will always be bound to eth0, AFAIK.  To prove this try
pinging the other IPs from a remote machine, then check what MAC address
shows up in that machine's arp tables ... I suspect that you will see
the same MAC address for all IPs, obviously because all reponses are
coming through the same interface.

What is the effect that you're trying to achieve by assigning IPs to
dedicated network cards?  Are you expecting enough traffic to saturate
the ethernet connection?  If you're doing this for load balancing then
it can be done with multipath routing (see iproute2 tool).

> I wish to use a monolithic kernel for security.  Can you help me
> understand either how to set this up so each card gets one ip and/or
> understand how each card is getting all three?  

By monolithic kernel do you mean not using modules?  Why is that more
secure?

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Re: PHP --with-imap

[Rob Weir]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 05:33:51PM -0600, Craig Jackson wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 16:14, Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 12:29:33PM -0600, Craig Jackson wrote:
> > > I have a Debian woody computer with exim and qpopper. They work well
> > > using starttls. Now I want to experiment with imap using imp/horde. So I
> > > installed Cyrus-imapd using apt and libc-client2001 using apt and Mysql
> > > from source. I downloaded PHP4.3.1 and Apache 1.3.27 which I want to
> > > compile from source. 
> > 
> > How come? 
> 
> I'm new to apt-get. I like downloading the source from the source and
> compiling it. I like knowing what options are used to compile. I'm
> having a hell of a time with this php-imap because first php4.3.1
> doesn't find the c-client libraries even though I enter the correct
> prefix and the libraries are there, then I find out kerberos has been
> compiled into c-client and I don't want Kerberos. Having control over
> our servers is important. I don't mind relinquishing some of that
> control for the base system esp because I know Debian does a great job
> with that and it will save plenty time and aggravation. But as for
> mission critical apps, I want the source installed exactly the way I
> want it. I realize that I can do this with apt-get but it seems like
> more work to learn apt-get to compile from deb-source than to simply
> download and compile from original source.

Well, 90% of the time, it's actually simpler.  e.g.
1) setup deb-src lines in your sources.list (you only need to do this
   once, ever)
2) apt-get source packagename;apt-get build-dep packagename.  This will
   download the source, untar it and patch it, then go get everything
   you need to build it (avoiding the libc-client2001 issue you're
   having).
3) Edit debian/rules to change the './configure' line to only include
   modules that you want.
4) debuild.  This builds the source and packages it.
5) install the resulting deb with dpkg.
6) Profit!

Total human interaction time: 2 minutes.

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Re: [OT]: < 10pt in LaTeX?

[Levi Waldron]

On February 23, 2003 03:18 pm, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> does anyone know if it's possible to specify a smaller than 10pt font
> size for a LaTeX document without resorting to putting the entire
> document in one big \tiny{}?  --which is cool for my purposes ... i'm
> just curious.

See http://old.ait.iastate.edu/olc/packages/tex/pt.question.html for example, 
for how to define your own fonts using the \newfont command - it's easy.


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Help w/ debugging an unfunctional talk and talkd

[fbrian]

Hi:

When I try to start a talk session I get the split window and the following
messages...

"No connection yet"

followed by

"Checking for invitation on caller's machine"

And there it hangs until I kill it.
The last comment I don't follow since we are both on the same machine.

How do I see where talk or talkd are hanging???

TIA

Brian



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dpkg package configuration level(?)

[Corey Hickey]

Hello,

When I set up my debian system a long time ago, I remember being asked
to specify what level of configuration questions I wanted to be asked.
The selections ranged from "no questions, set everything to default" to
"ask me everything possible".
Now, despite my best efforts, I cannot seem to recall what that
"configuration-level" option was called, or how to change it, and my
google searches have been fruitless.
Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or am I just massively
confused?
I'm using Sarge, if that matters.

Thanks,
Corey


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Re: Fonts; iso10646-1

[Colin Watson]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 06:54:21AM +0700, Oki DZ wrote:
> I ran gtkfontsel, and I had the following:
> The font "-b&h-lucida-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-p-*-iso10646-1,*" does 
> not support all the required character sets for the current locale "C"
>   (Missing character set "ISO8859-1")
> 
> How can I set the locale so that the Lucida ISO10646 would be displayed?

You'll need some UTF-8 locale. See /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED for a list
of possibilities.

Note that by using a UTF-8 locale at the moment you're more or less
volunteering to test software that doesn't support it yet ... the state
of the distribution isn't completely appalling here, but bits of it are
a little ropey. (He says, uploading a hopefully less broken version of
groff ...)

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df returning inaccurate results

[Caitrin Torres]

I noticed today that df is not returning correct results. I saw that I was low 
on disk space so I deleted two files from my home directory that together 
were taking up nearly 1GB and then reran df. It returned the same numbers as 
from before I deleted files. To wit:

$df -h
FilesystemSizeUsedAvailUse%Mounted on
/dev/hda5 2.8G1.8G939M 66% /
/dev/hda7 10G 8.8G822M 92% /home

What confuses me is that du returns a very different number which *does* 
reflect the fact that I've deleted files.

$du -csh /home/*
7.9G/home/cait
7.9G/total

What can be causing this?

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Re: [OT]: < 10pt in LaTeX?

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Sun, 23 Feb 2003 03:30:26PM -0600, Gary Turner insinuated:
> Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> 
> >does anyone know if it's possible to specify a smaller than 10pt
> >font size for a LaTeX document without resorting to putting the
> >entire document in one big \tiny{}?  --which is cool for my
> >purposes ... i'm just curious.
> 
> No LaTeX guru by any means, but as far as I know, 10(default), 11,
> and 12 point types are the base sizes. After that, use modifiers
> such as \tiny to \Huge.  If only a small region is to be modified,
> the {\tiny some text} artifact seems good.  Text will revert to the
> previous size after the closing brace.  For large regions, or an
> entire document, \tiny will remain in effect until explicitly
> changed, eg. \normalsize.
> 
> Of course, if you do \documentclass {contract}, the default typesize
> is 4pt ;P

cool!  next cheat sheet i write, i'll use that one -- thanks :)



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Re: PowerPC screen off

[Elizabeth Barham]

"Jeffrey" writes:

> I have an iMac running Debian stable. The only way I've discovered
> to turn off the monitor (not just blank the screen, but turn it off)
> is to have X running. Is there software to turn off the screen
> without running a display manager?

For the StarMax I use:

setterm -powersave on
setterm -powerdown 10

which is in a start-up script.

Elizabeth


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Re: GNOME2 questions

[Scott Henson]

On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 16:21, Johan Ehnberg wrote:
> I just installed gnome 2 in sid and noticed a few things:
> 
> 1) gdm looks the same as in woody (gnome 1.4). I had the backported 
> gnome 2 packages in woody and I'd like to use the "graphical" login.
Check the archives from debian-gtk.  There was some discusion on this. 
>From what I remember, some parts of gnome2 dont build on some archs and
the gdm maintainer doesnt want gdm2 in there till everything does
build.  So till then:
deb http://harshy.homelinux.org/files/debian/ ./
deb-src http://harshy.homelinux.org/files/debian/ ./


> 2) Something seems to be very slow with gnome-terminal. Scrolling text 
> in it eats my CPU to 100% and the scrolling is slow.
Do you have transparecny enabled?  That can make it slow.

> 3) I can't find advanced control panel functions like "remember window 
> palcement" and so on. I hate it when I have to maximize mozilla every time.

Are you using metacity or sawfish?  From what I remember sawfish does this 
type of thing, while metacity doesn't.  I think. 



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Fonts; iso10646-1

[Oki DZ]

Hi,

I ran gtkfontsel, and I had the following:
The font "-b&h-lucida-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-p-*-iso10646-1,*" does 
not support all the required character sets for the current locale "C"
  (Missing character set "ISO8859-1")

How can I set the locale so that the Lucida ISO10646 would be displayed?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: PHP --with-imap

[Craig Jackson]

On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 16:14, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 12:29:33PM -0600, Craig Jackson wrote:
> > I have a Debian woody computer with exim and qpopper. They work well
> > using starttls. Now I want to experiment with imap using imp/horde. So I
> > installed Cyrus-imapd using apt and libc-client2001 using apt and Mysql
> > from source. I downloaded PHP4.3.1 and Apache 1.3.27 which I want to
> > compile from source. 
> 
> How come? 

I'm new to apt-get. I like downloading the source from the source and
compiling it. I like knowing what options are used to compile. I'm
having a hell of a time with this php-imap because first php4.3.1
doesn't find the c-client libraries even though I enter the correct
prefix and the libraries are there, then I find out kerberos has been
compiled into c-client and I don't want Kerberos. Having control over
our servers is important. I don't mind relinquishing some of that
control for the base system esp because I know Debian does a great job
with that and it will save plenty time and aggravation. But as for
mission critical apps, I want the source installed exactly the way I
want it. I realize that I can do this with apt-get but it seems like
more work to learn apt-get to compile from deb-source than to simply
download and compile from original source.


>  And if you really want to, why not rebuild the Debian
> sources, so you get a nice shiny .deb?  Also, Debian includes a
> php4-imap module which gives you imap support.
> 
> > When I configure PHP4.3.1 using these options
> > 
> > --with-mysql 
> > --with-imap=/usr/lib/ 
> > --with-apache=/usr/local/src/apache_1.3.27 
> > --with-mcrypt 
> > --enable-track-vars
> > 
> > I get this error:
> > 
> > configure: error: Cannot find imap library (libc-client.a). Please check
> > your IMAP installation.
> > 
> > libc-client2001 is in /usr/lib/ but libc-client.a is nowhere on the
> > system. Hints please.
> 
> Use http://packages.debian.org/ to find which package contains that
> file.
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xfonts-base interaction with fontconfig

[Alan Chandler]

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I have been trying to track why KDE's konsole seems to have had ugly fonts 
ever since installing fontconfig.

It turns out that fontconfig ignores the "AddStyleName" field of the font.  In 
this case, this means that font /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/12x13ja.pcf.gz 
seems to most closely match that requested by default since the "ja" 
additional properties are ignored.

This font seems to be in xfonts-base.

I have a number of questions.

Why is this font installed by xfonts-base?
What does the "ja" "Additional StyleName" mean?
Would it not be a good idea for /etc/fonts/fonts.conf to contain some way of 
selecting a "nicer" font if its available ( I have in mind something like

fixed

monospace


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kernel compile

[Timothy Braje]

 I have been having some difficulty getting a newly compiled kernel 
to work on my system.  I have successfully compiled and installed 
before but this problem has stumped me.

Basically, I compile (using make-kpkg) and install the kernel.  When
I try to boot it, though, the only things that are printed to the screen 
are:
Loading linux
Bios Check Successful
(Though the screen flashes so fast, I am not sure if it fully sure if it 
writes the whole phrase).

I have successfully installed the stock 2.4.19 kernel image from 
sarge without problem, so I figure that I must be doing something 
wrong in the compile.

I have a P3, 600 MHz, Dell Inspiron 5000, running sarge (+gnome 
2.2 from unstable).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  

Thanks

Tim



   

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Re: "apt-get -b source libexpat1" -> cp: cannot stat `usr/include'...

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 00:53:32 +1100, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 02:18:39AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > When doing a "apt-get -b source libexpat1":
> 
> Did you also install it's build dependencies?

Yes. Anyway, when something is missing concerning the dependencies,
I get an error message.

> man apt-get, this is VERY important. Also, you do have
> build-essential installed, right?

I didn't. I've just installed it as this could be useful in the future.

Concerning my problem, someone told me in another mailing-list that
debhelper (I had from testing) were too old. Upgrading it solved the
problem.

Thanks for your suggestions,

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Re: PHP --with-imap

[Rob Weir]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 12:29:33PM -0600, Craig Jackson wrote:
> I have a Debian woody computer with exim and qpopper. They work well
> using starttls. Now I want to experiment with imap using imp/horde. So I
> installed Cyrus-imapd using apt and libc-client2001 using apt and Mysql
> from source. I downloaded PHP4.3.1 and Apache 1.3.27 which I want to
> compile from source. 

How come?  And if you really want to, why not rebuild the Debian
sources, so you get a nice shiny .deb?  Also, Debian includes a
php4-imap module which gives you imap support.

> When I configure PHP4.3.1 using these options
> 
> --with-mysql 
> --with-imap=/usr/lib/ 
> --with-apache=/usr/local/src/apache_1.3.27 
> --with-mcrypt 
> --enable-track-vars
> 
> I get this error:
> 
> configure: error: Cannot find imap library (libc-client.a). Please check
> your IMAP installation.
> 
> libc-client2001 is in /usr/lib/ but libc-client.a is nowhere on the
> system. Hints please.

Use http://packages.debian.org/ to find which package contains that
file.

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Re: Iptables: not recommended by Debian?

[Rob Weir]

On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 05:47:14PM -0800, calyth wrote:
> All,
> I was downloading iptables, and was going to set it up on a box so that 
> it would be my router...
> After downloading the iptables package, it says that iptables was not 
> recommended by Debian. Given the server was using the stable distro.
> Is there any reason why it should do so?
> Also any good tutorials for setting up NAT / Masquerading using 
> iptables? I'm reading one of the tutorials from netfilter.org and it's 
> taking way too long for me to read.

In addition to what everyone else said, go install a 'proper' kernel.
apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18- and follow the
instructions carefully.

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logcheck - please send email when someone reboots !!

[Sebastian Haase]

Hi,
I administer a few Intel pentium machines running Woody. 
I have the logcheck package installed on all of them, 
because I think it's a good habit to monitor what's going 
on "inside those machines".
BUT somehow logcheck thinks it's not worth reporting 
anything when someone accidentally [:-)] presses the 
RESET-button or even a kernel OOps (!). Also problems 
like "stale NFS" don't get reported.

I didn't do much to the configuration files. I configured 
logcheck as server.

How do have it send me every "somewhat" serious message 
from the kernel ?

I think this should even be reported as a BUG - but I 
don't know how to do that ;-(

Thanks
Sebastian
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Re: packages being kept back during upgrade

[James Tappin]

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:38:10 -0500
Josh Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If so, it probably means that the packages that were kept back conflict
> with some other package on your system that would need to be removed to
> upgrade these.  To see which one, do
> 
> apt-get -s dist-upgrade
> 
> the dist-upgrade will remove the necessary packages to satisfy the
> conflicts. the -s option makes apt-get pretend to do this, so you can
> see what package(s) will be removed.

Alternatively
apt-get -u dist-upgrade
Will list the packages to be removed, and those to be added as well as
those to upgrade and then ask whether you want to go ahead.

James

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Re: Where to put local PPD file for CUPS?

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 12:53:19PM -0500, Richard Cobbe wrote:
| Greetings, all.
| 
| I've just switched to CUPS from lprng.  I've been quite happy with it;
| the web configuration interface is particularly nice.

On a slightly related note for the archives, if your printer is
almost-but-not-quite supported by cups, use the "*cupsFilter:"
extension to the PPD spec to tell cups what to filter the data
through.  For example, I discovered that one of the old printers I
have laying around still works, but the PS most programs (including
cups' test page) is too complex for it.  However, using 'ps2ps'
simplifies the postscript such that the printer functions correctly.
I added this line to the PPD and put the following shell code in
/usr/lib/cups/filter/DSH-SeikoPS1 :

*cupsFilter: "application/vnd.cups-postscript 0 DSH-SeikoPS1"

---
#!/bin/sh

set -o errexit
INPUT=/tmp/CUPSFilter.`basename $0`.input
rm -f $INPUT || exit 1
if [ -z "$7" ] ; then cat > $INPUT || exit 1 ; else INPUT=$7 ; fi
ps2ps -dLanguageLevel=1 "$INPUT" - || exit 1
rm -f $INPUT || exit 1
exit 0
---

Now that printer works as well the other :-).

| Only one minor question: the best .ppd for my particular printer is not,
| so far as I can tell, included in any of the cups-related packages (at
| least in woody).  I was able to download the .ppd from the web, put it
| into /usr/share/cups/models, and add my printer; everything works fine.

That's what I did for one of my printers.  I also hard-linked it to
/etc/cups/Notes/.ppd because a fair amount of /etc is backed by
cvs and putting it there makes it easy to backup.  Note that when you
tell cups to use that ppd it makes a copy as
/etc/cups/ppd/.ppd.

| I just don't much like having a local non-package file in /usr/share.
| Can cups be configured to look under /usr/local (or, I suppose, possibly
| /etc) for PPDs, or am I stuck with a non-package file under /usr/share?

That's a good question.  I haven't tried with the web interface.  I
think the "-P" option on lpadmin will take any file but I'm not
entirely positive.

HTH,
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Re: debian kernel configuration

[Shaul Karl]

> Hi,
> 
> does anybody know where I can find the kernel configuration for the 
> debian kernels (the 2.4.18-smp to be exact)? I have to recompile the 
> kernelafter changing a few settings and would like to start with the 
> settings in the default kernel (since I know that they are working, 
> except that they don't support all the memory I would like to use).
> 
> Andreas
> -- 
> Prof. Dr. Andreas J. Guelzow
> http://www.math.concordia.ab.ca/aguelzow


Hello,

  It could be that it is still on your system. Look at /boot/config*.
You can also download the deb from which the kernel was installed,
assuming that there is indeed a deb some where. Unpack it in a temporary
directory, for example with dpkg-deb -x. You'll then have all the files
that were in this deb under the point were you extracted it. The boot
directory will most probably have the configuration file you are looking
for.

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Re: "apt-get -b source libexpat1" -> cp: cannot stat `usr/include'...

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 02:18:39AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> When doing a "apt-get -b source libexpat1":

Did you also install it's build dependencies?  man apt-get, this is VERY
important.  Also, you do have build-essential installed, right?

> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Need to get 369kB of source archives.
> Get:1 ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org unstable/main expat 1.95.6-2 (dsc) [693B]
> Get:2 ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org unstable/main expat 1.95.6-2 (tar) [292kB]
> Get:3 ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org unstable/main expat 1.95.6-2 (diff) [76.8kB] 
> Fetched 369kB in 17s (20.8kB/s)
> dpkg-source: extracting expat in expat-1.95.6
> dpkg-buildpackage: source package is expat
> dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 1.95.6-2
> dpkg-buildpackage: source maintainer is Ardo van Rangelrooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture is powerpc
>  debian/rules clean
> dh_testdir
> dh_testroot
> [...]
> dh_testdir
> dh_testroot
> dh_install -a --sourcedir=debian/tmp
> cp: cannot stat `usr/include': No such file or directory
> dh_install: command returned error code
> make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1
> Build command 'cd expat-1.95.6 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed.
> E: Child process failed

It looks like files are not getting moved into debian/tmp correctly.
Add a line like this near the top of debian/rules to get more info about
the build process 'export DH_VERBOSE=1'.

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Re: Mozilla & Adobe's SVG viewer

[Rob Weir]

On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 11:16:31AM +0100, Roman Joost wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 10:53:17AM +0700, Oki DZ wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 07:46:54PM -0800, Eric G. Miller wrote:
> > > Last I knew, the Adobe plugin was only for Windows and only worked with
> > > MS IE.  Has that changed?
> > 
> > There is one for Linux (the libs' extension is .so). I think it is 
> > supposed to be working; question is, on what Mozilla?
> > 
> > Oki
> It works with the old mozilla 0.9.9 as far as i know. There is a project namend
> croczilla to build a mozilla with native svg support. Some basic functions are
> implemented. That is the only way to *view* svg in a browser in linux ...
> 
> http://www.croczilla.com/svg/

I have a vague recollection that Moz changed something in the plugin API
between 0.9.9 and 1.0 that broke the Adobe SVG plugin, and that Adobe
was too annoyed/lazy to fix it.  I bet Moz's Bugzilla knows the
details...

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Re: (Newbie) Functioning In Debian

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 10:17:04PM -0500, sean finney wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:32:34PM -0500, M. Kirchhoff wrote:
> > Another site I frequent uses streaming Windows Media.  Am I totally out
> > of luck there?  I know there's this Crossover package that will run WM,
> > but it's definitely non-free.  I haven't run into needing RealPlayer
> > support yet, but I wonder if there's a free clone of that that works
> > under debian-mozilla.  
> 
> no!  i highly reccommend mplayer.  it's a good, free movie player and
> it can play a good number of non free formats such as MS asf.  the folks
> who made it are even kind enough to ship it with a ./debian directory,
> which means that you can:
> 
> $ fakeroot ./debian/rules binary
> 
> and then you'll have a mplayer .deb that you can install with dpkg.  give
> it a shot. (note you might need a couple other packages to do this, namely
> fakeroot).

Even easier:  go to http://marillat.free.fr/ and tell apt about the wide
variety of stuff that Chrisitan has packaged.

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Re: XFree86 and Upgrading

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 01:47:30PM -, Kevin Smith wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone have a lay instructions on upgrading to XFree86 4.2.0 from
> the following:
> 
> XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System
> (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510)
> Release Date: 21 December 2001
> If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
> newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
> reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
> Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.18-powerpc-smp ppc [ELF]
> Module Loader present

Are you really sure you want X 4.2?  It's not *that* much better...If
you really do want it, go to http://people.debian.org/~blade/woody/ and
see if Eduard has built ppc debs.  If not, get his source set and build
it locally, but be aware that X is a pig to build, and will take hours
of time and hundreds of megabytes of disk space.

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Re: exim trouble with DB file...

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 01:49:42PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 12:17:04AM -0600, Will Trillich wrote:
> | since late december, exim has had trouble with "retry" and
> | "wait-remote_smtp" files in /var/spool/exim/db.
> | 
> | i get this daily in my cron reports--and i'm not sure where to
> | fix it (or if it needs fixing):
> | 
> | /etc/cron.daily/exim:
> | failed to open DB file /var/spool/exim/db/retry: Invalid argument
> | failed to open DB file /var/spool/exim/db/wait-remote_smtp: Invalid argument
> | run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/exim exited with return code 1
> | 
> | where do i figure out where the invalid argument is coming from?
> 
> I'm not sure why you're getting Invalid Argument, but try removing all
> of the db files and the corresponding lockfiles.  They are just hints
> that exim stores for more efficient handling of future deliveries and
> aren't essential for correct operation.  It's possible that you
> changed the exim binary in late december, and that binary is linked
> against a different libdb than the previous one was and as a result
> exim can't read the db file.  If that's the case, then removing them
> will fix the problem.

You could try running exim under ltrace and/or strace and see where/what
is getting confused with the db files.

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Re: GNOME2 questions

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 11:21:23PM +0200, Johan Ehnberg wrote:
| I just installed gnome 2 in sid and noticed a few things:
| 
| 1) gdm looks the same as in woody (gnome 1.4).

Yeah, it's the old one.  I don't know if/when the new one will be
uploaded.

| 2) Something seems to be very slow with gnome-terminal. Scrolling text 
| in it eats my CPU to 100% and the scrolling is slow.

I can't help here -- I stopped using gnome-terminal a while back when
I learned how to make xterm look nice (and handle unicode).

| 3) I can't find advanced control panel functions like "remember window 
| palcement" and so on. I hate it when I have to maximize mozilla every time.

That's not a gnome function.  Look in your window manager's
configuration.  For example, if you use sawfish, middle click on the
root window and choose "configuration" or run sawfish-ui.

HTH,
-D

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Re: Free fonts

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:59:57PM -0600, Will Trillich wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 07:11:26AM -0900, Christopher Swingley
> wrote:
> > * Will Trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-Feb-19 23:30 AKST]:
> > >   xset fp+ /usr/X11/lib/fonts/freefont
> > > 
> > > ...and i thought all would be lovely. sadly, my font menu
> > > didn't change, even after restarting (and the stopping,
> > > cold, and re-starting from scratch) the x window server.
> > 
> > To add fonts "live" without having to restart your X server
> > you needed to run:
> > 
> > xset fp rehash
> > 
> > Then the fonts should have shown up with 'xlsfonts' or one of
> > the GUI tools like gtkfontsel.
> > 
> > To make the change persist over X restarts, you'll have to
> > manipulate your font paths in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or your
> > xfs font server configuration file.
> 
> this looks promising.
> 
>   $ xset fp rehash
> 
> and xfonsel shows the same old fonts, and xlsfonts enumerates
> them in great detail, but there's no more fonts now than before
> i did apt-get install...
> 
> plain vanilla woody/kde setup (tho i had a problem with the
> 'kicker' panel -- took out the taskbar applet which shows open
> windows, and all is much better now).
> 
> why don't my new fonts show up? i think i've tried just about
> everything suggested, so far... :(

The foolproof way: 
1) Drop the fonts somewhere.  I use /usr/local/share/fonts/ (create it
   if it's not there already), since it won't annoy dpkg there.
2) Add another FontPath line to your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4; there's
   already a bunch up the top, just copy one of them.
3) If they're pcf fonts, then run 'mkfontdir' in
   /usr/local/share/fonts/, as root.  sudo, of course, is the neatest
   way to accomplish this.  If they're TrueType fonts, run 'mkttfdir'
   instead.
4) Restart X, or if you don't want to do that quite yet, run 'xset +fp
   /usr/local/share/fonts/;xset fp rehash'.  This command just tells the
   X server to firstly add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to it's list of font
   paths, and then to rehash it's list of available fonts.
5) Enjoy!

Of course, I've not tested this, so please tell me which bits I've
screwed up :-)

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Re: How to duplicate a CD?

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 10:21:23AM +0530, Sharninder wrote:
> 
> > I posted this a few months agoa, and got an answer involving
> > cdparnoia, and cdrecord. But I sem to have lost the emails, and I
> > can't seem to get the mailing list archive search engine to find
> > it :-(
> >
> 
> read from /dev/cdrom and pipe the output to mkisofs 

Um...no :)  Audio CDs do not have any concept of a file system, and in
particular, do NOT use ISO-9660 FSs.  You could conceivably just pipe
the output of /dev/cdrom to cdrecord, I suppose, but it's much better to
use a tool designed for this sort of thing, e.g. cdparanoia.

> ... or use cdparania to create wav files from audio cd and then burn
> using cdrecord ...read the relevant manpages

Yep.

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Re: Errors Building xserver-xfree86

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 08:18:03AM -, Kevin Smith wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> What does this error message mean when building xserver-xfree86?  I
> compiled my own Kernel 2.4.20 for the powerpc for Debian Woody 3.0r1.
> DId I miss or so something wrong with the Kernel compilation?
> 
> Skipping unpack of already unpacked source in xfree86-4.1.0
> dpkg-buildpackage: source package is xfree86
> dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 4.1.0-16
> dpkg-buildpackage: source maintainer is Branden Robinson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture is powerpc
> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: kernel-headers-2.4
> dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
> dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.)
> Build command 'cd xfree86-4.1.0 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed.
> E: Child process failed

You need to install the kernel headers that match your running kernel.
Well, normally.  Since X seems to run fine on thousands of peoples
machines, it presumably just needs *a* set of 2.4 kernel headers.
kernel-headers-2.4.18-386 might work, and it's in woody.  Install them
and try again.

> Also, where can I get this package from and what exactly is it called in
> apt:
> 
> warning: process set to nice value 0 instead of -10 as requested

That's not really important, it just means that X tried to increase it's
priority a bit, but failed.  There is a reason for this, and it came up
on the list a month or so ago, but I don't know what it is...Google is,
of course, your friend.

> X: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by X)

This is because you're running a version of X that depends on the glibc
from sid.  Where/why did you install this?

Also, you seem to be compiling X 4.1, which is already in woody...Any
particular reason why?  If you instead meant to get X 4.2, Eduard Bloch
has already backported and built it for you; get it from
http://people.debian.org/~blade/woody/.

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Re: (Newbie) Functioning In Debian

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:32:34PM -0500, M. Kirchhoff wrote:
> Another site I frequent uses streaming Windows Media.  Am I totally out
> of luck there?  I know there's this Crossover package that will run WM,
> but it's definitely non-free.  

As a couple of other people mentioned, mplayer can handle this (and most
every other format around).  Go to http://marillat.free.fr/ and see the
wide variety of stuff that Christian has packaged, including mplayer
(which itself is mostly Free) and the codec packages, like w32codecs and
quicktime (which are pretty much non-Free).  You can of course build it
from source, too, if you really want to.

> I haven't run into needing RealPlayer
> support yet, but I wonder if there's a free clone of that that works
> under debian-mozilla.  

AFAIK, there is still no Free Software that can play RealMedia at all.
Real did make a Unix client, but it's fairly old and unmaintained, and
they even try to hide it on their site...Anyhoo, if you're on one of the
support architectures, you can get it from
http://huxley.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html.  There's even a
'realplayer' package in Debian's non-Free archive that handles installing
it for you you.

Once you've installed it, then you can use also use mplayer to play
RealMedia stuff.

> Please understand that I'm trying to wean myself away from Microsoft
> products after years of frustration at their software despotism and my
> lack of control over their annoying software, but I'm having a hard time
> adapting to the Debian way of life.  

Good on you!  Everyone was a newbie once, and it's bloody hard to learn
enough to enable you to start learning by yourself...it's a steep hill
at the beginning, but it's sure worth it in the end.

> If I start plugging in all these non-free, non-stable packages into a
> stable Debian build, then is it really a stable system anymore? 

This is a good point.  If you're worrying about your system actually
getting 'unstable' though, then please don't; all this things, while
they integrate nicely into your system, do not overwrite or otherwise
destablise anything else on your system.  Programs should not (and this
is very rarely broken, it's quite a serious kernel bug if it is) be able
to crash each other, and installing things like Java will not cause
problems for any programs that don't use it.  Unix and Unix-like systems
have been around for decades, and they're designed to not let separate
programs (easily or accidentally, I guess) bother each other, and to
make it impossible (aside from kernel bugs) for other user's processes
to bother each other.

> Yet it
> seems like I need to add a lot of these additional packages just to
> function.  I'm confused!  Believe me, I'm really, really drawn to Debian
> and can tell already after just a few weeks of use that I'm a user for
> life, but I wonder if there's some way to achieve a stable balance.  I
> can live just fine with Gnome 1.4 and Mozilla 1.0, but the other stuff I
> mentioned earlier is harder to do without. And with all the backports
> for newer versions like Gnome 2.2 and such, I wonder: is there anyone
> out there who truly runs a stable-Debian only system? 

This is a good point, and one that the Debian Developers, er, 'discuss'
on d-d quite frequently.  Because of the volunteer nature of the
project, and the fact that it incorporates so much software (as far as
I've been able to tell, Debian is the largest OS ever created...) and
runs on so many architectures (eleven at last count, which makes it,
arguably, the most portable Unix-like OS around), it's sometimes very hard to
get everything to work, everywhere.  For instance, testing has basically
not got a single updated piece of software in many months, because the
new version of the C library (which every single program on your system
depends on) was broken on one or more architectures...This seems to have
just been fixed this week, and testing could start moving as soon as
next week.

Um, so basically, Debian releases slowly because it a) includes lots of
stuff, which all has to work properly, b) runs on lots of different
types of computers, all of which have to work properly, and c) values
technical excellence above things like 'release dates' and 'timeliness'.

On the plus side though, Debian Stable is solid as a rock, and is a
stable OS to run for the two or so years between releases.  Sarge is
usually a nice middle ground for people who want newer stuff, but don't
want to deal with the (possible) brokenness of sid.  Well, usually; the
past few months have been an unfortunate exception.  And then you have
sid, for those who like their meat still warm, and are willing to deal
with things not working, and to help fix bugs when they come up.

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Re: ipchains -> iptables converter?

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 02:32:37PM -0500, Narins, Josh wrote:
> 
> I spent a good amount of time with my old 2.2.x ipchains firewall.
> 
> Because it was a laptop, it included different start scripts based on 10.x
> or 192.x or static IPs (I seem to recall)
> 
> I liked it.  It was very nicely formatted (no tabs, well spaced) and was
> organized in a way I felt was appropriate (about 10 subscripts, actually,
> including different front ends, a variables script, one for the IANA stuff,
> etc)
> 
> The question is whether or not there is something I can use to just convert
> these to iptables world.

Perhaps; as someone else mentioned, you won't learn anything about
iptables this way, though.  Also, iptables is a far more powerful
tool...it has things like stateful firewalling that will save you loads
of time, and also make possible things that ipchains couldn't do at
all...

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Re: Best WWW browser..

[Rob Weir]

On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 05:06:07AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:13:15 +1100,
> Rob Weir wrote:
> > 
> > [1  ]
> > On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 08:19:18PM +, p wrote:
> > > ...and having the ability to turn off the pop-ups advertising
> > > is a great feature in 7.01.
> > 
> > Which has been in Mozilla for over a year, and was consiously
> > hidden away by Netscape to make it more difficult to disable
> > popups.
> 
> Now where is this option to turn off pop-ups? Is it one of the
> itmes listed under Javascript (Preferences/Advanced/Script &
> Plugins)? 

Yes.  Most of the options in the list are just annoying, so I disable
nearly all of them.

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Re: packages being kept back during upgrade

[Josh Metzler]

On Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:10 am, Joris Huizer wrote:
...
> I've upgraded my (stable) debian machine some days ago
> - and again to be sure - but it looks like some
> packages are allways 'kept back'. This is the exact
> output I just got:
>
> --
>
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following packages have been kept back
>   gconf2 libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common
> libgail-common libgail17
>   libgconf2-4 libgnome2-0 libgnomecanvas2-0
> libgnomeui-0 libgnomevfs2-0
>   libgnomevfs2-common libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-common
> libgtkhtml2-0
>   libpanel-applet2-0 libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common
> libwnck4
>   openoffice.org-bin openoffice.org-debian-files
> openoffice.org-l10n-en
>   xlibmesa-dev yelp
> 3 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove
> and 23  not upgraded.
> Need to get 643kB of archives. After unpacking 81.9kB
> will be used.
>
> --
>
> What does it mean - and, should I do something to
> solve it ?
>
> Thanks for any input,
>
> Joris Huizer

I assume you did an
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
to get this result.

If so, it probably means that the packages that were kept back conflict with 
some other package on your system that would need to be removed to upgrade 
these.  To see which one, do

apt-get -s dist-upgrade

the dist-upgrade will remove the necessary packages to satisfy the conflicts.
the -s option makes apt-get pretend to do this, so you can see what package(s) 
will be removed.  If you are ok without the packages it wants to remove, go 
ahead and do

apt-get dist-upgrade.

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Re: [OT]: < 10pt in LaTeX?

[Gary Turner]

Nori Heikkinen wrote:

>does anyone know if it's possible to specify a smaller than 10pt font
>size for a LaTeX document without resorting to putting the entire
>document in one big \tiny{}?  --which is cool for my purposes ... i'm
>just curious.

No LaTeX guru by any means, but as far as I know, 10(default), 11, and
12 point types are the base sizes. After that, use modifiers such as
\tiny to \Huge.  If only a small region is to be modified, the {\tiny
some text} artifact seems good.  Text will revert to the previous size
after the closing brace.  For large regions, or an entire document,
\tiny will remain in effect until explicitly changed, eg. \normalsize.

Of course, if you do \documentclass {contract}, the default typesize is
4pt ;P
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PowerPC screen off

[Jeffrey B. Ferland]

I have an iMac running Debian stable. The only way I've discovered to turn
off the monitor (not just blank the screen, but turn it off) is to have X
running. Is there software to turn off the screen without running a display
manager?

-Jeff
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Re: dd error when copying walmart picture CD

[csj]

On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 20:34:37 -0500,
DGLUser wrote:
> 
> I get an error when issuing comand
> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=pics.iso
> I ignored it and continued to cdrecord the iso into a blank CD,
> but the directories containing the pictures were not copied at
> all. I presume that they were not copied into the iso file
> either, but have no idea about what is going on, or about how
> to fix the problem.

Probably not an iso in the first place.

> Any help will be appreciated.

cdrdao?


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Re: Apt-get/ Dansguardian problem

[Chris Hoover]

Berdt van der Lingen wrote:

Since I installed dansguardian on my Squid-proxy box I wasn't able to
use apt-get properly. When I add the IP address of my debian box to the
excluded ip list of Dansguardian apt-get is working fine again. Does
anyone know about this problem? I couldn't find any information about it
on the web.
Btw, I was able to reproduce the problem by installing a fresh debian
woody box in VMware.
I am getting the following results after "apt-get update" behind my
dansguardian / transparant proxy:
debian:/etc/apt# apt-get update
Get:1 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages [437kB]
99% [Waiting for file] [Connecting to security.debian.org
(194.109.137.218)]
gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
Get:2 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Release [110B]
Get:3 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages [6538kB]
99% [Working] 771kB/s 0s
gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
Err http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages
Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
Get:4 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Release [96B]
Err http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Release
Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP:
208.185.25.38 80]
Get:5 http://http.us.debian.org stable/contrib Packages [163kB]
99% [Working] 771kB/s 0s
gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
Err http://http.us.debian.org stable/contrib Packages
Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
Get:6 http://http.us.debian.org stable/contrib Release [99B]
Get:7 http://http.us.debian.org stable/non-free Packages [220kB]
99% [7 Packages gzip 0] 771kB/s 0s
gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
Err http://http.us.debian.org stable/non-free Packages
Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
Get:8 http://http.us.debian.org stable/non-free Release [100B]
Fetched 7359kB in 23s (314kB/s)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages
Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Release
Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP:
208.185.25.38 80]
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/contrib/binary-i386/Packag
es Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
Failed to fetch
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-i386/Packa
ges Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
Failed to fetch
http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/main/binary-i386/Package
s Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org
stable/main Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i
386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org
stable/contrib Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binar
y-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org
stable/non-free Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_non-free_bina
ry-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org
stable/updates/main Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_main_binary
-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org
stable/main Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i
386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org
stable/contrib Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binar
y-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org
stable/non-free Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_non-free_bina
ry-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org
stable/updates/main Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_main_binary
-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old
ones used instead.
When I put the ip address of my debian box in the Dansguardian
exceptionlist everything runs fine: 

debian:/etc/apt# apt-get update
Get:1 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages [96.7kB]
Get:2 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages [1777kB]
Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Release
Get:3 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Release [96B]
Get:4 http://http.us.debian.org stable/contrib Packages

Re: Broken 2.4 Kernel? (was: Re: netdev watchdog eth0 transmit timed out)

[Eduardo Aceituno Hinojosa]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 12:27:20AM +0100, Ulf Janitschke wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> i had the same problem. First with a 'D-Link'-card with Via-Rhine Chipset.
> With a 2.2 kernel everything was fine. With the 2.4 i got 'netdev watchdog 
> eth0 transmit timed out'. The problem showed up with both, the 2.4.16 and 
> 2.4.18 kernel.
> Same thing with a RTL8139-card. Now i'am sitting here with a 2.2 kernel :-(.
> It seems to me, that there is a general problem with the 2.4 Debian-Kernel. 
> (I havent seen any error like this before, on several systems with a wide 
> range of nics). Can anybody prove/disprove this?
> 
> Bord: EliteGroup K7S6A
> Distro: Debian 3.0r1 stable and testing
> 
> Regards,
> Ulf Janitschke
>

At first time, sorry if my english is not good, i'm spanish.

The solution of the problem is turn off the APIC modules in the kernel.
Doing this the driver for realtek 8139too (not rtl8139, in older
versions of kernel) go good.

I hope help you

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Re: Need help configuring box as router

[Justin Ryan]

On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 12:27, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 11:13:24AM -0500, Scott Ehrlich wrote:
> 
> [ top posting SUCKS ]
> 

[ self-righteousness SUCKS ]

> > Other than the Firwall HOWTO I referenced, what other areas of my install
> > should I look at, and how should the files/configuration appear?

screw the firewall howto, look at this:

http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO.html

What you want is called NAT, or Network Address Translation.  If you
want the low-cholesterol version, check:

http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1

Of course, you _could_ let this 'ipmasq' package do it for you, and it
probably does as good of a job as my own scripts, but it's good to know
what's under the hood (and it ain't much).

> > I'm first looking to establish successful routing.Once that is done,
> > I'll worry about filtering, if desired.

>From the aforementioned page:

4.1 I just want masquerading! Help!
This is what most people want. If you have a dynamically allocated IP
PPP dialup (if you don't know, this is you), you simply want to tell
your box that all packets coming from your internal network should be
made to look like they are coming from the PPP dialup box.

# Load the NAT module (this pulls in all the others).
modprobe iptable_nat

# In the NAT table (-t nat), Append a rule (-A) after routing
# (POSTROUTING) for all packets going out ppp0 (-o ppp0) which says to
# MASQUERADE the connection (-j MASQUERADE).
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE

# Turn on IP forwarding
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
Note that you are not doing any packet filtering here: for that, see the
Packet Filtering HOWTO: `Mixing NAT and Packet Filtering'.



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[OT]: < 10pt in LaTeX?

[Nori Heikkinen]

does anyone know if it's possible to specify a smaller than 10pt font
size for a LaTeX document without resorting to putting the entire
document in one big \tiny{}?  --which is cool for my purposes ... i'm
just curious.

tia,



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I can't compile the kernel

[Franco]

I'm trying to compile the kernel (Debian way) but after 30 minutes
appears the following error:

depmod: ***Unresolved simbols in  
/usr/src/linux-2.4.20/debian/tmp-images/lib/modulos/2.4.20/kernel/drivers/net/wan/sis.o
depmod:   sis_malloc_Ra3329ed5
depmod:   sis_free_Rced25333
depmod:***Unaresolved simbols in
/usr/src/linux-2.4.20/debian/tmp-images/lib/modulos/2.4.20/kernel/drivers/net/wan/comx.o
make[2]: ***[modinst_post] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux-2.4.20
make[1]: ***[real_stamp_image] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory /usr/src/linux-2.4.20

What's the meaning of this?
Obviously the .deb file wasn't created





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Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names

[Alex Malinovich]

On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 12:18, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 09:42:47PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:50:26AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> > > Yup, both in Toy Story.  You really should see the movie.  For being a
> > > "kids" movie it is very good!!
> > 
> > This one's been bugging me for a while now...why do Americans
> > associate animation strictly with children?
> 
> Two words: "Walt Disney"

Which is actually really sad and unfair to Walt Disney himself. He never
advocated animation strictly as entertainment for children. It was after
his passing that the company decided to head in this direction. Walt
Disney had a close collaboration with Salvador Dali that began with
Fantasia. Disney intended to release a Fantasia 2 which was to be drawn
and overseen by Dali himself. There are still a number of preliminary
sketches done by Dali for the project floating around. Unfortunately,
after Walt Disney's passing, the company decided that children should be
their target audience and, hence, animation as a children's form of
entertainment was born.

Thankfully, this is a phenomenon which seems to be primarily restricted
to the US. Japan is a prime example of a country that most certainly
does NOT make animation strictly for children. Neon Genesis Evangelion
anyone? Or, for the NC-17 side of things La Blue Girl.

Though the US does seem to be making some progress. Shrek was a
wonderful movie for adults and children. I would venture to say that a
good half of the movie was targeted PURELY at adults without being
obvious enough to make it necessary to restrict children from watching
it.

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what a project needs

[Petr Vanek]

hi all,

is there any page with description what is good (or standard) for small
software project in sense of ie Changes.txt, Readme.txt etc thaugh it
would be nice to keep some standards...

Just curious...

thank you

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Re: command-line biff?

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:02:37PM +0100, Marcio Rosa da Silva insinuated:
> Maybe I don't get the point, but aren't the 'MAIL' and 'MAILCHECK'
> vars in bash or 'mail' in tcsh for this?

I didn't know about these, but they don't seem to be what i want ...

   MAIL   If  this  parameter  is  set to a file name and the
  MAILPATH variable is not set, bash informs the user
  of the arrival of mail in the specified file.
   MAILCHECK
  Specifies  how  often  (in seconds) bash checks for
  mail.  The default is 60 seconds.  When it is  time
  to  check  for  mail, the shell does so before dis­
  playing the primary prompt.  If  this  variable  is
  unset, the shell disables mail checking.

i'm looking for something that will tell me how many new messages i
have in what box at any given time.



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Re: command-line biff?

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Sun, 23 Feb 2003 06:45:07PM +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres insinuated:
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 11:38:29AM -0500, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> > does anyone know of a command-line version of some biff or buffy
> > or whatever (mail notification program)?
> 
> Why not just putting the path to your mailbox in the MAILPATH
> environment variable?

because i don't just want a "you have new mail" at the command line, i
want -- for each box -- to see how many messages are in that box when
i tell it to tell me.

maybe i should modify my script so it uses the MAILPATH variable,
instead of a .xbuffy file, though -- that's kind of cool.



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GNOME2 questions

[Johan Ehnberg]

I just installed gnome 2 in sid and noticed a few things:

1) gdm looks the same as in woody (gnome 1.4). I had the backported 
gnome 2 packages in woody and I'd like to use the "graphical" login.

2) Something seems to be very slow with gnome-terminal. Scrolling text 
in it eats my CPU to 100% and the scrolling is slow.

3) I can't find advanced control panel functions like "remember window 
palcement" and so on. I hate it when I have to maximize mozilla every time.

These are actually not critical issues, I'm just playing with sid. I 
still have woody on another partition. I just wanna hear if others have 
the same problems, and maybe I'll file a bug.

cheers,
/johan
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Re: (Newbie) Functioning In Debian

[Alex Malinovich]

On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 03:16, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:32:34PM -0500, M. Kirchhoff wrote:
--snip--
> > Another site I frequent uses streaming Windows Media.  Am I totally out
> > of luck there?  I know there's this Crossover package that will run WM,
> > but it's definitely non-free.  I haven't run into needing RealPlayer
> > support yet, but I wonder if there's a free clone of that that works
> > under debian-mozilla.  
> 
> Not a plugin for it, but mplayer will play them.  It's non-free and
> only in unofficial packages.
> 

Actually, mplayer proper is free (GPL'd). Some of the codecs that you
may choose to use, however, are non-free. And there is actually an
mplayer plugin available that works pretty well. 

http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net

It's currently up to 0.40. It even plays Quicktime movie trailers and
the such right in the browser window. I'm working on making it my first
Debian package actually. :)


> Then you'll want to get the mplayer- package appropriate to your
> CPU, w32codecs (which also includes the DivX ;-) codecs among others)
> and if you also want quicktime support, qt6codecs.  When you get the
> prompt of how you want to handle the movie, open it in gmplayer.  Your
> movie will play in a seperate window.
> 

I, for one, still recommend compiling from source. You just download a
source tarball (or, for more fun, get the CVS version :), add in any
codecs you might want, and run "debian/rules binary" from the base
mplayer directory. The documentation on the site (www.mplayerhq.hu) is
really quite good.

> > If I start plugging in all these non-free, non-stable packages into a
> > stable Debian build, then is it really a stable system anymore? 
> 
> Well, if you're using unstable, things will break.  This is the active
> development branch and is not the tree to be following if you never
> want to encounter reliability issues.
> 

Unstable is only for those of us who like to fix broken systems for fun.
:) However, if you want to be closer to the cutting edge without
actually cutting yourself, just run testing. Testing hardly ever
actually "breaks" and it tends to be much more recent than stable.
Stable, IMO, is only for servers. It's entirely too old to be used as a
desktop system.


> > Yet it seems like I need to add a lot of these additional packages
> > just to function.  I'm confused!  
> 
> Did you ever get by with a base install of Windows without installing
> any additional software?  At least here you don't pay anything for the
> additional software.
> 

A good case in point here. A full install of Windows XP is a little over
1 GB. A full base install of Debian (including XFree86 and all the other
necessary goodies) will run you around 300 MB. From that point on,
you're free to pick and choose which packages you want and leave out the
ones you don't. Ever look for the command-line MS ftp program in
Add/Remove programs? How about their telnet client? Or the god-awful
GUI? Nope, you're out of luck. :) Hopefully that will help to clarify
things a bit. :)


> Welcome to the brave GNU world.  Enjoy your stay.

You've got to love a good pun! :) I second that! :)

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Re: PHP --with-imap

[Seneca]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 12:29:33PM -0600, Craig Jackson wrote:
[...]
> I get this error:
> 
> configure: error: Cannot find imap library (libc-client.a). Please check
> your IMAP installation.
> 
> libc-client2001 is in /usr/lib/ but libc-client.a is nowhere on the
> system. Hints please.

Try using "Search the contents of packages" on
http://packages.debian.org (it's near the bottom).  libc-client.a is in
libc-client2001-dev.

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Re: command-line biff?

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:25:23PM -0500, sean finney insinuated:
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 11:38:29AM -0500, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> > > take a look at mailstat (comes w/procmail), which might do
> > > something along the lines of what you're interested in.
> > 
> > this only uses procmail logs, though, right?  and i can't see how
> > to make it tell me just what's *new* in the mailbox?
> 
> right.  the idea is that you use it without -k, such that it
> truncates the log every time you call it, and if there's mail in the
> log, it's new.  of course if you've already read it it doesn't
> matter, so this program does have its deficiencies.  

right -- i want it pretty much to be a console version of xbuffy, but
without the programmable middle button.  so any time i call it, i want
said utility to read in a list of mailboxes (for ease i'm just using
my ~/.xbuffy file), and then tell me how many new are in each -- if
i've just marked them as new, or if they've been sitting as "new" in
my box for weeks.

> plus, if you want to actually keep your logs around for posterity...

well, i look at them if i think i'm not receiving mail, or if a recipe
i wrote is weird and i want to see where something's going, so it
would be nice to not clobber them every time i call this.

> how does your script do this?

BOXES=`egrep ^box $HOME/.xbuffy | sed 's/^box ~\///'`;
for box in `echo $BOXES`; do
  MAIL=`ls $HOME/$box/new/`;
  pieces=0;
  for i in `echo $MAIL`; do
pieces=$(($pieces+1)); 
  done;
  if [[ ( $pieces>0 ) ]]; then
echo -n "$box: $pieces new message";
if [[ ( $pieces>1 ) ]]; then
  echo "s";
else
  echo;
fi;
for j in `echo $MAIL`; do
  # prints the Subject and From on the same line
  echo -n " " && 
echo -n `egrep ^From: $HOME/$box/new/$j` | sed 's/From: //';
  echo -n " : " && 
echo `egrep ^Subject: $HOME/$box/new/$j` | sed 's/Subject: //';
done;
  fi;
done

i realize this is not a fine piece of code, but it does what i want it
to, which is this:

merlin:~> clbiff.sh[33]
Mail/inbox: 5 new messages
 "Florian Nimmerrichter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Re: wien
 "Sibley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Re: Small world
 Danny Loss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : ldc
Mail/debian-user: 2 new messages
 Nori Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Re: [OT] hardware failure
 Ismael Valladolid Torres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Re: command-line biff?
Mail/slug: 1 new message
 gabriel rosenkoetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Re: colored threads



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Re: A bug?

[Alan Shutko]

"Daniel B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It makes sense to talk about a "10-point screen font" only when it's
> calibrated for the screen resolution in pixels and for the physical
> screen size.

If you set the physical screen size in the XF86Config, and don't
override it with an incorrect DPI setting, then asking X to display a
"10-point font" will result in a font the same size as 10-point on
paper.  This is rather handy.  

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Re: Need help configuring box as router

[Nathan E Norman]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 11:13:24AM -0500, Scott Ehrlich wrote:

[ top posting SUCKS ]

> On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Paul Johnson wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 07:07:55AM -0500, Scott Ehrlich wrote:
> > > I have a fresh copy of the woody dist installed on a box with kernel
> > > 2.2.19, eth0 is 192.168 and eth1 goes to cable co.
> >
> > 1. apt-get install ipmasq
> > 2. Pack up the linksys.
> 
> Unfortunately that wasn't the answer.
> 
> Other than the Firwall HOWTO I referenced, what other areas of my install
> should I look at, and how should the files/configuration appear?
> 
> I'm first looking to establish successful routing.Once that is done,
> I'll worry about filtering, if desired.

Eh, the ipmasq package sets up routing and filtering for you.  It
seems to me that many people think 'ipmasq' is the same type of
package as 'ipchains' (kernel 2.2 fw tools) or 'iptables' (kernel 2.4
fw tools); it's not.  ipmasq is a collectionof scripts that autodetect
which interface is external, which is internal, what kernel you have,
and the rest happens automagically.

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PHP --with-imap

[Craig Jackson]

I have a Debian woody computer with exim and qpopper. They work well
using starttls. Now I want to experiment with imap using imp/horde. So I
installed Cyrus-imapd using apt and libc-client2001 using apt and Mysql
from source. I downloaded PHP4.3.1 and Apache 1.3.27 which I want to
compile from source. When I configure PHP4.3.1 using these options

--with-mysql 
--with-imap=/usr/lib/ 
--with-apache=/usr/local/src/apache_1.3.27 
--with-mcrypt 
--enable-track-vars

I get this error:

configure: error: Cannot find imap library (libc-client.a). Please check
your IMAP installation.

libc-client2001 is in /usr/lib/ but libc-client.a is nowhere on the
system. Hints please.

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Re: Is this the list for install questions?

[Bob Proulx]

eauclair wrote:
> Is this the list for install questions?

Those are fine here.  debian-user is the miscellaneous and other list
for debian issues.  But there is a lot of discussion here so be
prepared for lots and lots of messages about all topics.

But please don't reply to an existing thread.  Start a new message.
When you reply to an existing thread your message will be lost inside
of another discussion.  Many fewer people will read it.

> Hi, I'm trying to install Debian.
> 
> I am trying both 2.2 and 3.0. I'd rather have 3.0 working, so I will focus
> on that one.

My advice is to stick to the 3.0 woody as the 2.2 potato version is
very old.

> I have a Compaq 6024. When I boot off the 3.0 disk, all my hardware
> is detected - usb (uhci), NIC (eepro100), and CD-roms (DVD & CDRW).

Hmm...  Debian does not autodetect anything.  So when you say it is
detected I have to wonder if you are really installing Debian.
Because that simply does not make sense.

> When installing, I choose the kernel modules for the NIC (eepro100) and the
> USB core, uchi, and mass storage options.

Okay, you choosing those modules makes sense.  The modules you chose
should end up in /etc/modules.

> When I reboot, none of those devices are detected. I can't access
> the cdrom or NIC, so I cant get any more packages. My sources.list
> is empty. During the 2nf half of the install, it actually says it
> cannot detect a cd-rom. :-(

If you have a network running the easiest and probably best way to
install Debian is over the network.  Assuming that you are on a DHCP
network are you telling the installer to configure your machine for
DHCP?  Does that work?  If so then you should be in good shape.  For
choice of Debian install locations choose http and not cdrom.  It will
test that it can get the package list from the network and then do all
of the installation from the network.  You will have the latest
versions this way with all of the security updates.

> I forgot to mention, I have to boot off the "bf4.2" CD, then put in the
> regular "Generic Boot" CD. If I only boot off Generic, it does not let me
> pick USB as a kernel module to load. After it boots off the bf4.2, I have
> to put in the generic for it to be able to copy the modules, otherwise it
> complains it I dont have an installable module CD. The bf4.2 CD does not
> seem to be a "stand alone" CD.

Okay, you have lost me again.  Here is faq entry for which cd is
which.  As you can see none of the disks are labeled "generic".

  http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#bootable

* binary-1: multiboot. This CD offers you a choice between all
  available kernels, so unless you happen to have one of the very
  few machines on which the multiboot feature does not work
  (typically very old systems or SCSI systems), you should boot
  from this CD.
* binary-2: vanilla. A 2.2 kernel with many drivers for older
  hardware (such as ISA-based systems) and USB support.
* binary-3: compact. A 2.2 kernel with PCI SCSI and IDE drivers.
* binary-4: idepci. A one-size-fits-all 2.2 kernel which should
  work on most machines. This is also booted by default if you
  just press Return at the prompt of the multiboot (binary-1) CD.
* binary-5: bf2.4. A 2.4 kernel with ext3 and ReiserFS
  support. You should choose this kernel if your hardware is
  recent, e.g. you are using a USB keyboard.

So you could easily boot off of CD1 and select bf24 as the boot image.
This is probably what 99.44% of people installing should be doing.
Then install using http over the network and you should be fine.

> I am new to Debian, but I'm determined to make this work!

Keep asking questions.

Bob


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Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names

[Nathan E Norman]

On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 09:42:47PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:50:26AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> > Yup, both in Toy Story.  You really should see the movie.  For being a
> > "kids" movie it is very good!!
> 
> This one's been bugging me for a while now...why do Americans
> associate animation strictly with children?

Two words: "Walt Disney"

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Re: debian kernel configuration

[Seneca]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 09:29:14AM -0700, Andreas J Guelzow wrote:
> does anybody know where I can find the kernel configuration for the 
> debian kernels (the 2.4.18-smp to be exact)? I have to recompile the 
> kernelafter changing a few settings and would like to start with the 
> settings in the default kernel (since I know that they are working, 
> except that they don't support all the memory I would like to use).

If the kernel image is 2.4.18-smp then "/boot/config-2.4.18-smp".

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Re: command-line biff?

[Marcio Rosa da Silva]

Maybe I don't get the point, but aren't the 'MAIL' and 'MAILCHECK' vars in
bash or 'mail' in tcsh for this?

Ok, if you use them you need to press ENTER to get the notify, but if
you're using the shell it works.

Marcio


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Re: Multiple NICs with Monolithic kernel

[Michael West]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 04:22:19AM +1100, CaT wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 08:51:31AM -0800, Michael West wrote:
> > With this setup and only one card with a cable attached I can ping all
> > three addresses 10.0.1.10, 10.0.1.11, and 10.0.1.12.  This is true no
> > matter which card is plugged in.  
> 
> >From where can you ping them?
> 

 From the same subnet, I have tried from 10.0.1.3 and 10.0.1.5.  I
 


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Where to put local PPD file for CUPS?

[Richard Cobbe]

Greetings, all.

I've just switched to CUPS from lprng.  I've been quite happy with it;
the web configuration interface is particularly nice.

Only one minor question: the best .ppd for my particular printer is not,
so far as I can tell, included in any of the cups-related packages (at
least in woody).  I was able to download the .ppd from the web, put it
into /usr/share/cups/models, and add my printer; everything works fine.

I just don't much like having a local non-package file in /usr/share.
Can cups be configured to look under /usr/local (or, I suppose, possibly
/etc) for PPDs, or am I stuck with a non-package file under /usr/share?

Richard


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