Re: Setting dnsdomainname w/ DHCP client on Debian?

2003-08-23 Thread Bob Proulx
Paul Smith wrote:
> When I plug my Debian laptop in at work and connect to our DHCP network
> it all seems to work: I get DNS servers configured, get a network
> connection where I can surf, ssh to other systems, etc., and everything
> seems fine.
> 
> BUT, when I type "dnsdomainname", it says I have no domain name
> configured.

With DHCP this is set in the server, not the client.  The server tells
the client the domain name.  I don't know why your override was not
having affect.

If you set your hostname to the fully qualified domain name (FQDN) I
think it should resolve your problem.

  cp /etc/mailname /etc/hostname

> I need that command to return something because I want to start am-utils
> so I can NFS mount filesystems, and the am-utils startup requires
> dnsdomainname to be set.

Of course am-utils has uses and I have used it for a long time.  But I
think you would be better off using autofs if possible.  The am-utils
package in particular has terrible debconf behavior.  Blech!

  apt-get install autofs

Then as discussed recently make sure you are using the autofs4 module
and not the autofs module.

  echo autofs4 >> /etc/modules
  modprobe autofs4

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Re: root login How ???

2003-08-23 Thread Bob Proulx
Robert Storey wrote:
> I know that most Debian users disdain the idea of ever logging in as root, 

No, you misunderstand.  It is fine to log in as root.  Especially on
the console.  It is just frowned upon to run a large collection of
unaudited programs such as KDE/Gnome as root.  Does anyone know
exactly the entire list of programs that are run by those window
managers?  Has anyone audited the complete set to make sure they are
root safe?

> The best way I know of to log in as root is to kill gdm and log in
> using text mode.

Instead of killing gdm you should use the linux virtual terminals.
Press CNTL, ALT, F1 at the same time and switch to vt1.  Press ALT,
F7 to get back to your graphical environment.

[Under the console virtual terminals it is just ALT-FunctionKey to
switch terminals.  But that is taken under X11 so there is an
additional CNTL needed when in graphics mode which is not needed in
console mode.  But then recently someone added the ability to work
with CNTL-ALT-FunctionKey the same as ALT-FunctionKey on the console
so I guess that distinction does not matter much anymore.]

Bob


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exim runtime configuration file

2003-08-23 Thread David List
I'm looking through the exim documentation coming with Debian 3.0r1
since I wish to try it out for my mailserver. I cannot seem to find any
default or example runtime configuration file for exim. I have this
under /etc:

sol:~# find /etc -name exim* 2> /dev/null | xargs ls -ldG
-rw-r--r--1 root  191 Mar 10  2002 /etc/cron.d/exim
-rwxr-xr-x1 root  669 Mar 10  2002 /etc/cron.daily/exim
drwxr-xr-x2 root 4096 May 30 17:26 /etc/exim
-rwxr-xr-x1 root 1315 Mar 10  2002 /etc/init.d/exim
-rwxr-xr-x1 root   84 Mar 10  2002 /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim
sol:~# ls -alG /etc/exim
total 8
drwxr-xr-x2 root 4096 May 30 17:26 .
drwxr-xr-x   75 root 4096 Aug 24 00:34 ..

And when I try to dry-run exim to check the syntax of the runtime
configuration file, I get this:

sol:~# exim -bV
Exim version 3.35 #1 built 10-Mar-2002 01:32:04
Copyright (c) University of Cambridge 2001
2003-08-24 01:04:26 Failed to open configuration file
/etc/exim/exim.conf

Is there an example runtime configuration file included in the Debian
3.0r1 exim package somewhere?

Best regards,
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Re: Nvidia driver install

2003-08-23 Thread Bob Proulx
ralph bacolod wrote:
> I downloaded the driver from another machine with windows coz im not
> connected. Anyway,i had to split the driver file coz it wont fit in
> a floppy. I then put it together in my box with windows. But when i
> try to run this file , i got a error on line 580 which looks like a
> for loop that checks the checksum. How do i fix this?

How did you split and reassemble the file in Windows?  It really
sounds like in that process you ended up with a corrupt file.  I would
go back to the beginning and checksum the original file and compare
that to your reassembled file.  If they don't match, as I suspect they
will not, then that is your problem.

Bob


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Re: UDMA in kernel 2.4.21

2003-08-23 Thread Diego Calleja García
El Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:46:51 +0300 Alexey Chetroi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

>  Hello,
> 
>  I've compiled kernel 2.4.21 from unstable, but when I'm trying 
> to setup UDMA mode X67-X69, kernel complains that udma 3/4/5 not
> functional and indeed hdparm -tT /dev/hda shows performance degrade.
> But kernel version 2.4.20 on the same machine works perfectly with
> UDMA. What could be the problem? 

Did you compile the support for your chipset?


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Re: Summary: IBM DB2 installation on Woody

2003-08-23 Thread Bob Proulx
Holger Marzen wrote:
> Some notes for the installation of IBM DB2 v7.1 on Debian Woody
> Holger Marzen, 2003-08-21

Thanks for sharing your notes.  I think that cross distribution
compatibility is one of the important areas for Debian to concentrate
on.

I have some of the same issues you have with libraries.  But I solved
it somewhat differently.

> - make the usual symlinks for "incompatible" RedHat-software:
>   cd /usr/lib
>   ln -s /lib/libncurses.so.5 libncurses.so.4

Instead of doing this I used alien to convert the Red Hat versions of
that library to deb format and then installed the deb.  For this
library alien does a perfect job of it.

And the benefit is that you now have a deb you can install on future
systems that need it.  I keep a local repository with all of the fluff
that needs to be installed on my machines without needing to gather
them from all over.  I create a meta package which I call rh62-compat
which depends upon these libraries.

>   ln -s libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2

This one does have a debian equivalent.  This is currently only in
'woody' and has been removed from 'testing' and 'unstable'.

  apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1

How does one find these packages?  The Debian package can search the
repositories.  Put the name of the file in that you want to look for
the package that contains it.  So for the above you will find it in
stable but not in testing or unstable.  I now have a cached local
copy.

  http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

If a library needed for Red Hat compatibility ever truly went away
from Debian then I would use alien to convert the rpm over to deb and
install the deb for the reasons stated above.

> To run the control center (db2cc) you have to install java (I used the
> recent sdk from Sun), make the appropriate symlink /usr/bin/java
> (on my machine /usr/bin/java -> /opt/j2sdk_nb/j2sdk1.4.2/bin/java).

Note that Blackdown Java is often installed by many Debian users and
it installs an 'alternative' as /usr/bin/java.  Not having tested it
but I would guess that Blackdown's version of Java would handle the
IBM scripts.  In any case, it is useful to know that there may be an
conflict on the /usr/bin/java if one tried to install both.

Bob


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Re: /etc/mtab & /etc/modules.conf warning messages on startup

2003-08-23 Thread Bob Proulx
Alphonse Ogulla wrote:
> I get the following two warning messages on startup.
> 1) warning: cannot open /etc/mtab. no such file or directory
> and
> 2) warning: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than 
> /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/modules.dep...

I have not tracked down either of those to root cause.  But we all see
those messages.  You can safely ignore them.  Or put up a boot time
splash screen to hide them.

> AFAIC, /etc/mtab is created on startup. Then why the warning in first place? 

A guess.  I think this is due to using an initrd (initial ram disk)
kernel and that file is missing from the initrd image.  So what you
are looking at later is not quite what the system was looking at
earlier.

> In the second case, probably it is as a result of running update-modules 
> script after I installed a BT878 tv/fm card. Any solutions to my worries?

If you do get to root cause it would be good to file a BTS report on
them to get those annoyances cleaned up on the future.  But I think
this is one of the reasons splash screens are becoming more popular.

Bob


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Re: kernel source (file name and location)

2003-08-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:00:13 -0700, 
"M.Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>  I need to know what the name and location would be as for the
>  kernel-source in order to get my Ethernet card working. I was getting

..ok, you told us you own your card, which is reasonable, and that it
does not work, which I agree is less reasonable.  Now, if you like 
advice on getting your card working, you might consider giving us 
a wee clue on which type card it is.

>  an error in line 27 that the kernel source was not able to be found. 
> I was able to find that I have to adjust the following line of code:
> 
> #ksrc :=/usr/sr/ksrc/RedHat/7.2/linux-2.4.7-10alt-ent

..non-standard old kernel, so I pass.  Url?

> I am currently running the woody 3 distro of Debian with kernel
> 2.4.18. Can someone throw me a clue? (I tried #ksrc
> :=/usr/src/kernel-source-2.x.xx but there are no files that are
> showing in my usr directory or the subdirectories there of )

..you most likely wanna replace that kernel source tree path 
with your own tree path.

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Re: kernel source (file name and location)

2003-08-23 Thread Kevin McKinley
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:00:13 -0700
"M.Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I need to know what the name and location would be as for the
>  kernel-source in order to get my Ethernet card working. 
> I was getting an error in line 27 that the kernel source was not able to
> be found. I was able to find that I have to adjust the following line of
> code:
> 
> #ksrc :=/usr/sr/ksrc/RedHat/7.2/linux-2.4.7-10alt-ent
> 
> I am currently running the woody 3 distro of Debian with kernel 2.4.18.
> Can someone throw me a clue? (I tried #ksrc
> :=/usr/src/kernel-source-2.x.xx but there are no files that are showing in
> my usr directory or the subdirectories there of )

Once you've downloaded and installed the kernel-source-2.4.18 package, do
the following:

1. Create a symlink from the kernel source tree, called "linux":
bash /usr/src: ln -s kernel-source-2.4.18 linux

2. Copy the configuration file you're using now to the kernel source tree:
bash /usr/src/linux: cp /boot/config-2.4.18-bf2.4 .config
(If you're using another kernel version besides bf2.4, modify the command
accordingly.)

3. In /usr/src/linux do "make oldconfig".

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Re: PHP4 for Apache2: when ?

2003-08-23 Thread yoann
Hello,
Hello

I know this has already been discussed here and there but I really want
to know why Debian doesn't provide PHP4 for Apache2.
what is the reason Apache2 in debian don't support PHP4 ?

In fact I am in a desperate need of it for my personnal use and also
for my work.
So why ? I know PHP4 *IS* working pretty well in conjunction with
Apache2 (i had feedback on this) but there is still nothing for us
Debian user.
Currently, I'm using Apache2 with PHP4 but I build it from source both with 
success.

I had have tried to install it by hand but I failed building it from
source. I have also tried to build my own set of .deb files without
success too.
So do you think it will be soon (really soon) be available (even in
experimental) or is this sort of dream/fantasm I will keep doing ?
Regards,

zeDek
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Re: Out of Office AutoReply: Approved

2003-08-23 Thread Kevin McKinley
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 01:00:50 -0400
Derrick 'dman' Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> IMO someone with admin privs should have a script to immediately
> unsubcribe the account and send a nice, canned, notification message.
> The notification message would be sent "from" the bit-bucket so as to
> avoid further autoresponses.

Please accept my apology for letting that get out. I thought I had prevented
my reply from getting to the list.



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Re: trident i want driver

2003-08-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
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> On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:30:08 +0200, usman wrote:
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> > trident pci audio does not work on windowXP.please send me a driver
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Re: kernel source (file name and location)

2003-08-23 Thread Alexander Schmehl
* M.Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030823 22:00]:

> I am currently running the woody 3 distro of Debian with kernel
> 2.4.18.
> Can someone throw me a clue? (I tried #ksrc
> :=/usr/src/kernel-source-2.x.xx but there are no files that are
> showing in my usr directory or the subdirectories there of )

You need to install the package kernel-source-2.4.18. Then you will
find the file kernel-source-2.4.18.tar.bz2 in /usr/src. Unpack it with
tar -xjvf kernel-source-2.4.18.tar.bz2 , and the kernel sources will be
in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18.


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Re: libc6 optimizations

2003-08-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:33:11 +0200, 
Pierre THIERRY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
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>
> Benchmark have been made between Debian, Mandrake and Gentoo, with
> identical version of programs, and there is no signficant speedup with
> Gentoo.
> 
> As a matter of fact, it is the slowest of the three distros in all but
> one test of this bench, and never the fastest...

..they mention cpu and compile flags as possible isses on Gentoo.
Such a race should be set up with a team from each distro, doing 
the same tasks, inside a set cost and time frame.

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Re: kernel source (file name and location)

2003-08-23 Thread Sebastian Kapfer
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:20:14 +0200, M.Forbes wrote:

>  I need to know what the name and location would be as for the
>  kernel-source in order to get my Ethernet card working.
> I was getting an error in line 27 that the kernel source was not able to
> be found. I was able to find that I have to adjust the following line of
> code:

The relevant packages are

kernel-source-2.4.18
kernel-headers-2.4.18-$YOURFLAVOUR

Most probably the headers are enough. After installing, have a look at
/usr/src.

> Mark
> 

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Re: trident i want driver

2003-08-23 Thread Sebastian Kapfer
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:30:08 +0200, usman wrote:

> trident pci audio does not work on windowXP.please send me a driver for
> it so i download from u Transitional//EN"> 

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Re: nis client problem (still)

2003-08-23 Thread Sebastian Kapfer
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:40:11 +0200, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira
wrote:

>   Hi all,
>   I have a debian potato nis server. I have some debian woody desktops
>   (nis clients) configured. When I updated these machines do sid, the nis
>   stopped to work! :( Only when I do su - from root account, it "works":
> 
> machine:~# su - user
> su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.
> (Ignored)
> 
>   How I can fix this?

The current libc6 is said to have broken NIS. Maybe you can locate an
older version of the package and install it.

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kernel source (file name and location)

2003-08-23 Thread M.Forbes



 I need to know what the name and location 
would be as for the kernel-source in order to get my Ethernet card working. 

I was getting an error in line 27 that the 
kernel source was not able to be found. 
I was able to find that I have to adjust the 
following line of code:
 
#ksrc 
:=/usr/sr/ksrc/RedHat/7.2/linux-2.4.7-10alt-ent
 
I am currently running the woody 3 distro of Debian 
with kernel 2.4.18.
Can someone throw me a clue? (I tried #ksrc 
:=/usr/src/kernel-source-2.x.xx but there are no files that are showing in my 
usr directory or the subdirectories there of )
 
Thanks
Mark


Re: libc6 optimizations

2003-08-23 Thread Pierre THIERRY
> I was thinking that in addition to the kernel, libc6 was a good
> candidate for a recompile in terms of overall performance boosts. I
> know about gentoo, but I dont feel like changing distros.

Benchmark have been made between Debian, Mandrake and Gentoo, with
identical version of programs, and there is no signficant speedup with
Gentoo.

As a matter of fact, it is the slowest of the three distros in all but
one test of this bench, and never the fastest...

http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=227&page=1

Precisely,
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Why Does Testing mozilla-firebird Wants To Remove diald

2003-08-23 Thread David Crane
When I try to "apt-get install mozilla-firebird" from the
testing distribution, it wants to remove the diald and ppp
packages.  I am certain that that would be bad, and that I
have done something wrong.
I added the following to my /etc/apt/sources.list:

dev http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free

If the solution isn't obvious, please reply to the list with what other 
information I should gather.  I'm pretty new with
using debian, but I'm very experienced with writing UNIX
server software.  I'm impressed so far.

Thanks,
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Re: PHP4 for Apache2: when ?

2003-08-23 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:22:14 +0200
Xavier Maillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can understand your point but mine is different in which I _only_
> want debian packages on those systems. 

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Re: PHP4 for Apache2: when ?

2003-08-23 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 08:57:22PM +0200, Yves Goergen wrote:
> and, even if there will be php4 support for apache 2 (i'm still with
> apache 1, because of a necessary setuid module) by debian, i guess you
> wouldn't really want to use it. seems, they'll not update php before
> php5.

FUD.

> i mean, php 4.1.2 (from debian 3.0 stable) is - how old? - at least a
> year now.

Welcome to stable: it's stable. Use unstable if you care. (Sure, the odd
package is out of date, but that's just individual maintainers not
getting round to it.)

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Re: PHP4 for Apache2: when ?

2003-08-23 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 09:22:14PM +0200, Xavier Maillard wrote:
> 
> I can understand your point but mine is different in which I _only_
> want debian packages on those systems. Why do I need a PHP4 for my
> Apache2 server is related to subversion which is provided with a
> apache2 dev_svn module. I know I don't need PHP for this but my problem
> is I also use a piece of software called papaan which does a heavy use
> of XML and PHP.

Have you looked at using svnserve in place of Apache2 for networking the
Subversion repository?

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Re: PHP4 for Apache2: when ?

2003-08-23 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 08:57:22PM +0200, Yves Goergen wrote:
> i have seen some time ago (as i was quite new to debian/linux) that
> debian packages are far not current or partially even over some years
> old. so i have decided for myself, to install only some uncritical
> packages like gcc/compilers and some other things like bash or zip.
> everything else, server related stuff like apache, php, mysql, exim
> (still 3.x!!)

Seems you haven't learned the value of the other releases (testing,
unstable).  Sure, "stable" is behind and will always be.  It's goal is
not to provide you with the latest version of applications, but rather a
combination of application versions that have been thoroughly tested and
proven to work in unison.  There are newer version of the packages in
testing or unstable, some are under a different name (exim v4 is exim4,
apache v2 is apache2).  The point being that the version of software in
stable are older yes, but there are newer version in the archive.

> and, even if there will be php4 support for apache 2 

There are issues with php under Apache 2.  For more information on this,
search the archives.  This link may help:

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200308/msg03196.html
   
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Re: PHP4 for Apache2: when ?

2003-08-23 Thread Xavier Maillard
Yves Goergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>  i have seen some time ago (as i was quite new to debian/linux) that
>  debian packages are far not current or partially even over some years
>  old. so i have decided for myself, to install only some uncritical
>  packages like gcc/compilers and some other things like bash or
>  zip. everything else, server related stuff like apache, php, mysql,
>  exim (still 3.x!!), i'll download the latest source and compile it by
>  myself. works pretty fine so far. and i have the advantage to
>  configure some things as i need them, that only can be set at compile
>  time.
>  
>  and, even if there will be php4 support for apache 2 (i'm still with
>  apache 1, because of a necessary setuid module) by debian, i guess
>  you wouldn't really want to use it. seems, they'll not update php
>  before php5. i mean, php 4.1.2 (from debian 3.0 stable) is - how old?
>  - at least a year now. and since then, many new useful features have
>  beed added and quite some bugs were fixed. (ok, there came new bugs,
>  but hey, that's progress of software. if we never update anything, we
>  could have stayed with our 486s!)

I can understand your point but mine is different in which I _only_
want debian packages on those systems. Why do I need a PHP4 for my
Apache2 server is related to subversion which is provided with a
apache2 dev_svn module. I know I don't need PHP for this but my problem
is I also use a piece of software called papaan which does a heavy use
of XML and PHP.

I don't want to have 2 different versions of my Apache here and so I
want to migrate all stuff running under Apache 1.x to Apache2 and so
forth I need a PHP4 version for it.

That said I have read into the TODO.Debian there will be a Apache2
support but I didn't see anyrhing about this since ages so ...

What I am sure is I only want to install Debian related stuff on my 2
systems and don't want to have to build software from sources. If I
wanted to have from-source-softwate, I would have chose something else
than Debian :)

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Re: libc6 optimizations

2003-08-23 Thread Mental Patient
Manolis Tzanidakis wrote:
[20030822] Mental Patient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Earlier today I was toying with the idea of recompiling libc6 with a 
bunch of optimization flags. I did an apt-get source libc6 and added the 
flags I wanted. I built binaries via "fakeroot ./debian/rules binary" 
and did a dpkg -i on the resulting deb files. Well, the install hung and 
failed. ls would segfault, ssh would still work. Things were... broken.


Don't even think to compile glibc with O3 or Os. It breaks
baddly ;) 
Debian is quite optimized and runs really fast although it's compiled 
for i386. If you want to speed things up more try compiling kde, xfree, 
gnome, mozilla etc.



I noticed. :) I was using -O2, but like I said in a previous post... I 
believe the root of my trouble to be other CFLAGS. Thanks for the 
feedback tho. This was more of an educational thing than anything else. 
I've used optimized packages of all kinds of stuff. Honestly I dont find 
debians performance to be an issue in the least. It was just boredom on 
the rampage :)



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Re: libc6 optimizations

2003-08-23 Thread Mental Patient
Diego Calleja García wrote:
El Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:52:12 -0400 Mental Patient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:


Its not really critical or anything, I was just wondering about it.


Try apt-src/apt-build
No, I know how to build the debs. The problem is I belive the CFLAGS I 
used. The kernel uses -fomit-frame-pointer. I do believe that was my big 
mistake. Like I said, everything compiled and the debs were built. Its 
just at install it broke. :)





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Re: PHP4 for Apache2: when ?

2003-08-23 Thread Yves Goergen
i have seen some time ago (as i was quite new to debian/linux) that debian packages 
are far not current or partially even over some years old. so i have decided for 
myself, to install only some uncritical packages like gcc/compilers and some other 
things like bash or zip. everything else, server related stuff like apache, php, 
mysql, exim (still 3.x!!), i'll download the latest source and compile it by myself. 
works pretty fine so far. and i have the advantage to configure some things as i need 
them, that only can be set at compile time.

and, even if there will be php4 support for apache 2 (i'm still with apache 1, because 
of a necessary setuid module) by debian, i guess you wouldn't really want to use it. 
seems, they'll not update php before php5. i mean, php 4.1.2 (from debian 3.0 stable) 
is - how old? - at least a year now. and since then, many new useful features have 
beed added and quite some bugs were fixed. (ok, there came new bugs, but hey, that's 
progress of software. if we never update anything, we could have stayed with our 486s!)

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nis client problem (still)

2003-08-23 Thread Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira

Hi,
I still cannot log with nis.
I atached a strace log of: "su - user".
Anyone can help me?
Thanks, PH



Hi all,
I have a debian potato nis server. I have some debian woody desktops (nis 
clients) configured.
When I updated these machines do sid, the nis stopped to work! :(
Only when I do su - from root account, it "works": 

machine:~# su - user
su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.
(Ignored)

How I can fix this?
TIA,Paulo Henrique

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Re: USB problems

2003-08-23 Thread Alexander Schmehl
* Henning Moll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030823 18:55]:

> But there is no /proc/bus/usb/devices and programs like gphoto do not work...

Put "none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults" in your /etc/fstab and run
"mount -a".


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Re: How to "fool" apt-get into believing a package is installed?

2003-08-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:03:17 +0200, 
Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> * Neal Lippman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030823 17:13]:
> 
> > Is there a reasonable way to do this?
> 
> Take a look at the equivs-Package.

...or 'alien -d a-foreign-format.pkg' and then
'dpkg -i /path/to/your.deb', or add your own deb 
location url into your /etc/atp/sources.list and 
then 'apt-get install your.deb'.  ;-)

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Re: Gnome2.2 backport and XFree86 4.3 on woody [was R:e XFree864.3 in Woody]

2003-08-23 Thread James Strandboge
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 10:47, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On 22 Aug 2003 09:01:35 -0400, 
> James Strandboge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 05:25, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > On 21 Aug 2003 09:07:39 -0400, 
> > > James Strandboge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  The main way I advertised the backport was through this list and
> > > >  debianplanet.org.  Both of those have these instructions.
> > > 
> > > ..urls?   (I'm new on this list.)
> > 
> > Check:
> > http://www.gnome.org/start/2.2/
> > 
> > It has a link to debianplanet, but its down now.  Wait a couple of
> > days and you will see a new article on debianplanet.
> 
> ..willco, thanks. 
> 

Please see:

http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=992

for updated instructions on how to install the gnome2.2 backport.  I
have requested that gnome.org update their link to point here as well.

Thanks!

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PHP4 for Apache2: when ?

2003-08-23 Thread Xavier Maillard
Hello,

I know this has already been discussed here and there but I really want
to know why Debian doesn't provide PHP4 for Apache2.

In fact I am in a desperate need of it for my personnal use and also
for my work.

So why ? I know PHP4 *IS* working pretty well in conjunction with
Apache2 (i had feedback on this) but there is still nothing for us
Debian user.

I had have tried to install it by hand but I failed building it from
source. I have also tried to build my own set of .deb files without
success too.

So do you think it will be soon (really soon) be available (even in
experimental) or is this sort of dream/fantasm I will keep doing ?

Regards,

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Re: Best way to upgrade a single app (apt-get update, not upgraded)

2003-08-23 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 01:05:19PM -0400, David Corbin wrote:
> In attempting to follow the suggestion below, I end up with this:
> 
> trombone:/home/dcorbin# apt-get upgrade
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following packages have been kept back
>   spamassassin
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1  not upgraded.
> 
> 
> How  do I find out WHY it won't upgrade spamassassin?

'apt-get install spamassassin' and see what it says. My guess is that
the new spamassassin depends on the new package spamc, and 'apt-get
upgrade' doesn't install new packages. In that case, 'apt-get
dist-upgrade' or 'apt-get install spamassassin spamc'.

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Re: Best way to upgrade a single app (apt-get update, not upgraded)

2003-08-23 Thread David Corbin
In attempting to follow the suggestion below, I end up with this:

trombone:/home/dcorbin# apt-get upgrade
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages have been kept back
  spamassassin
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1  not upgraded.


How  do I find out WHY it won't upgrade spamassassin?

On Wednesday 20 August 2003 21:58, Nick Hastings wrote:
> Hi,
>
> * David Corbin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030821 10:45]:
> > I have a production system, that I do NOT want to migrate to
> > testing/unstable. But, I would like to upgrade one particular package
> > (spamassassin, in this case) to a more recent version.
> >
> > What is the recommended way of doing this?  Should I just download and
> > build the upstream package?  Can pinning help me?
>
> It's easier to get the source package from testing or unstable and
> then build it against the libraries in stable (ie backport it). Easier
> still is to look at www.apt-get.org and find if someone else has
> already backported it. I just checked and it seems you are in luck.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nick.
>
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USB problems

2003-08-23 Thread Henning Moll
Hi!

if i do a 

modprobe usb-uhci

i get the following in my /var/log/messages:

| Aug 23 18:49:47 mothership kernel: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod
| 0x4a9/0x2208) is not claimed by any active driver.

kernel: usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.275 $ time 13:42:01 Apr 14 2002
kernel: usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled
kernel: usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xac00, IRQ 10
kernel: usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports
kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
kernel: hub.c: USB hub found
kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected
kernel: usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xb000, IRQ 10
kernel: usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports
kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 2
kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
kernel: hub.c: USB hub found
kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected
kernel: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x4a9/0x2208) is not claimed by any 
active driver.
kernel: usb-uhci.c: v1.275:USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver

Hmm, so the system is able to retrieve the manufactor-id and product-id. So, 
usb is working in some way...

But there is no /proc/bus/usb/devices and programs like gphoto do not work...

Any suggestions?
Henning


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Re: [OT] Good GNU/Linux book for translation

2003-08-23 Thread Lance Simmons
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 05:28:38PM +0300, Aryan Ameri wrote:
> 
> I am not looking for a "Linux for Dumbs" or "Linux for 
> Newbies" thing, but I also don't want "Linux device drivers for kernel 
> 2.4" either. What I am looking for, is a complete, comprehensive guide 
> for using Linux in all it's aspects. It should cover normal things that 
> a user will face in his daily life  like internet browsing, mail, 
> usenet, sound, navigating files and directores, X windows, etc) and it 
> should also cover adminstration issues like installation, maintanance, 
> networking etc. And also basic Unix and Linux commands. I also would 
> like it to be as distro independent as possible.
>   
> Any suggestions anyone?  

_The Linux Cookbook_ (apt-get install linuxcookbook) is very good for
showing how to use GNU/Linux to get things done.

_RUTE_ (apt-get install rutebook -- but it's in non-free) is good for
system administration.

I don't know of any single book that does all the things you're looking
for.

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Re: gtkeyboard

2003-08-23 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 10:37:04PM +0800, Jianan Huang wrote:
> I came across gtkeyboard 1.1.7-2 which was described as a highly-configurable 
> on-screen keyboard.
>  
> But I failed to install it with apt-get. The error msg reported "package not found."

gtkeyboard is only in testing and unstable.

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libacl1 (sid)

2003-08-23 Thread Raffaele Sandrini
Hi

I like to compile my own version of cyrus-sasl but the package wants 
heimdal-dev installed. However i am not able to install heimdal-dev cause it 
depends on libacl1-kerberos4kth-dev wich depends on libacl1-kerberos4kth wich 
conflicts wich confilcts with libacl1. libacl1 can not be removed cause it is 
a core bakcage and would remove nearly the whole system.

Is this a package bug or a joke? :)) Should i simply force heimdal-dev and 
libacl1-kerberos4kth dev to install?

cheers,
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Re: Only Courier fonts are printed out with Xprint under Mozilla

2003-08-23 Thread R (Chandra) Chandrasekhar
Folks,

I have now got Xprint to print proportional fonts in Mozilla.  FYI, I 
did the following:

1. apt-get remove --purge mozilla*

2. got mozillalinux-gnu-1.4-sea.tar.gz

3. installed mozilla under /usr/local as root

4. ran /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla as root for the first time.

The upside is that I can now view (as before) and print using Xprint 
(unlike before) proportional fonts, including TrueType.

The downside is that the font-rendering (with anti-aliasing under 
KDE-3.1.3) is less pleasing to the eye than before when I had the 
support of the Debian mozilla-xft package.  Any help to resolve this 
would be most appreciated.

So, by solving one problem, I seem to have landed up with another :-(

I leave it to more knowledgeable folk to figure out the reasons for the 
originally reported problem with the Debian packages for mozilla* and 
xprint-xprintorg.

--Chandra
  23 Aug 03
R (Chandra) Chandrasekhar wrote:
Further to my last e-mail, I have the following information:

1. Only if the 'sans serif' (bundled with Mozilla?) is selected do I get 
proportional fonts when printing under Mozilla, even as root. Otherwise, 
if I select Verdana, for instance, I get only Courier fonts on printout.

2. I am not sure whether the preferences in user.js/unix.js for freetype 
and truetype in ~/.mozilla have any influence on the outcome.

3. Can I try Xprint out with another application other than Mozilla to 
see what output I get.

4. If it is an encodings problem,what should I do to further 
troubleshoot my setup?

Thanks.

--Chandra
  21 Aug 03
R (Chandra) Chandrasekhar wrote:

I have some interesting information on this outstanding problem.

I sincerely hope someone reading this will give me advice to solve it.

When I log in as root and run mozilla, I can print proportional fonts 
using Xprint.  Only when I run mozilla as (user) myself do I get the 
Courier only font problem mentioned in this thread.

I suspect that some environment variable or dotfile in my home 
directory is responsible for this difference in behaviour.

I note that the differences between root and myself may reside in one 
of the following dotfiles/dotfile directories in our respective home 
directories:

.defoma
.fonts.cache-1
.fonts.conf
.kde/share/config (some files here have [KPrinter Settings] that root 
does not have)
.mozilla/fonts/catalog (these were different, but moving files to make 
them identical did hot solve the problem)
.qt
.xftcache

This is an empirical approach because I do not have the theoretical 
knowledge of where to look for the problem and/or solution.

The one thing I am certain of is that the encodings.dir may not be the 
cause of the problem (see my previous e-mail) and also because 
proportional fonts are seen and printed for root.

There may also be useful info from "set" for root and myself.

I sincerely hope someone will reply this e-mail and help me track down 
this problem further.

Thank you.

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Re: Permissions on a vfat partition

2003-08-23 Thread Wayne Gemmell
Hi
I use

/dev/hda7   /data   vfatrw,users,auto,gid=106,umask=003 0  
 0

with any other users in the 106 group. You still have a bit of control but its 
not such a pain in the ass.
Wayne
On Saturday 23 August 2003 15:14, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
>  --- kenneth dombrowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
> > On 03-08-23 03:30 +0200, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> > > You are not telling it who owns all the files.  FAT has no concept of
> >
> > users,
> >
> > > groups, or other attributes (aside from RW and RO).  You must specify
> > > the
> >
> > UID
> >
> > > or GID (uding gid=) you want assigned to all files on the file
> > > system
> >
> > when
> >
> > > it is mounted.
> > >
> > > /dev/hda7   /mnt/d  vfatrw,user,uid=1000,noexec 0  
> > > 0
> >
> > that is, if you're concerned about restricting access at all, correct?
> >
> > I've seen this response before & have always been a little confused. I
> > dual boot a laptop with win2k & just have the following in my /etc/fstab
> >
> > /dev/hda1 /windows   vfatnoauto,user   0  0
> >
> > I can `mount /windows` and write to it just fine
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo "test">/windows/test.txt
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /windows
> > [ ...other stuff.. ]
> > -rwxr--r--1 kenneth  kenneth 5 Aug 23 00:46 test.txt
> >
> > I don't think I'm in any special windows-writing groups:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tmp$ groups
> > kenneth adm cdrom audio www-data src video xcdwrite scsi www-adm
> >
> > for a laptop nobody else in the world is ever going to use, just
> > specifying 'user' is fine.. right?
> >
> > (I've given this out as advice before, so I just want to clarify, but if
> > I'm correct, the OP may be interested too)
> >
> > thanks,
> > Kenneth
>
> You are also correct.  If you use the "user" option, then whoever mounts
> the partition gets ownership, but then you must also use "noauto,"
> otherwise the partition is mounted on boot and is owned by root.
>
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Re: ebay slow

2003-08-23 Thread Yves Goergen
i don't.
ebay (www.ebay.de at least, but what's the difference?) was slow and might even be a 
bit slower these days. but they just don't get it...

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Re: How to "fool" apt-get into believing a package is installed?

2003-08-23 Thread Alexander Schmehl
* Neal Lippman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030823 17:13]:

> Is there a reasonable way to do this?

Take a look at the equivs-Package.


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Re: [OT] Good GNU/Linux book for translation

2003-08-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 09:28, Aryan Ameri wrote:
> Hi there:
> 
> I am looking for a good introductory-to-intermediate Linux book, to 
> translate to Farsi. Currently in Iran I don't see a single good book 
> about GNU/Linux available in the market, so I am looking to fill this 
> gap.
> 
> 
> I am not looking for a "Linux for Dumbs" or "Linux for 
> Newbies" thing, but I also don't want "Linux device drivers for kernel 
> 2.4" either. What I am looking for, is a complete, comprehensive guide 
> for using Linux in all it's aspects. It should cover normal things that 
> a user will face in his daily life  like internet browsing, mail, 
> usenet, sound, navigating files and directores, X windows, etc) and it 
> should also cover adminstration issues like installation, maintanance, 
> networking etc. And also basic Unix and Linux commands. I also would 
> like it to be as distro independent as possible.

How about looking through either of these, from The Linux Documentation
Project?
http://www.tldp.org/guides.html
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html


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How to "fool" apt-get into believing a package is installed?

2003-08-23 Thread Neal Lippman
I am looking to install squid onto a system which runs my imap mail
store, using cyrus-imap. As part of the cyrus installation, I have also
installed cyrus-sasl. I compiled both myself, because at the time (over
1 year ago) that I did this, the version of cyrus-sasl and cyrus-imap
running in stable and testing was quite old and outdated.

My problem now is that squid depends on libsasl2, which I already have
installed via my self-compiled cyrus-sasl. Rather than risk losing or
breaking my cyrus-imap installation by installing the debian libsasl2
package, it would be better to make apt- realize that I already have a
sasl2 library installed.

Is there a reasonable way to do this?

Thanks.
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Re: ebay slow

2003-08-23 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 01:49:59AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Also going to oddman since I doubt he's among the hundreds subscribed
> to the list.
> 
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 12:39:22AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > my ebay is going slow... how do youy cure? thanks, mike
> 
> Debian is not ebay.  Why not email ebay or call your ISP's support
> line to figure out what's wrong?
> 
> We're all dying to know, what inspired you to think that we can help
> with someone else's website that we have no control over?  That's like
> calling the gas company because you haven't been getting the daily
> paper in over a week.

Actually, it's not *entirely* irrelevant... the theory goes like this:

- a lot of stuff is 'going slow' at the moment
- this is (presumably) because of the recent M$ exploits generating
  lots of traffic - the thing itself, floods of bounces, broken
  bounces, people downloading antiviral specifics and generally
  yapping about it
- which is a direct result of so many people using Microfots OSes on
  the net (BTW I've been told that when running Symantec's specific
  under XP you have to 'disable "system restore"' (or something)
  otherwise the OS may restore the virus at some later date...)
- so the cure, in the long term, is for oddman to install Debian, and
  give copies to all his friends, etc.

(or, to mangle your analogy, the paper hasn't been coming because the
gas company's supply has been so erratic that it's been so cold in 
the printing works that all the staff have been walking out... the
solution is to tell everyone how to create personal fusion plants
using old microwave ovens and Portland cement.)

:-)

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spurious thread to try and steer it in an on-topic direction?

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gtkeyboard

2003-08-23 Thread Jianan Huang
Hi folks,
 
I came across gtkeyboard 1.1.7-2 which was described as a highly-configurable on-screen keyboard.
 
But I failed to install it with apt-get. The error msg reported "package not found."
 
Hope someone can offer some info on this.
 
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[OT] Good GNU/Linux book for translation

2003-08-23 Thread Aryan Ameri
Hi there:

I am looking for a good introductory-to-intermediate Linux book, to 
translate to Farsi. Currently in Iran I don't see a single good book 
about GNU/Linux available in the market, so I am looking to fill this 
gap.


I am not looking for a "Linux for Dumbs" or "Linux for 
Newbies" thing, but I also don't want "Linux device drivers for kernel 
2.4" either. What I am looking for, is a complete, comprehensive guide 
for using Linux in all it's aspects. It should cover normal things that 
a user will face in his daily life  like internet browsing, mail, 
usenet, sound, navigating files and directores, X windows, etc) and it 
should also cover adminstration issues like installation, maintanance, 
networking etc. And also basic Unix and Linux commands. I also would 
like it to be as distro independent as possible.

Any suggestions anyone?  
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Re: gnomeConf.sh

2003-08-23 Thread ZekeVarg
On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 15:06, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 02:56:32PM +0200, ZekeVarg wrote:
> > I tried to install gfilerunner from source package but I #./configure
> > ends with:
> > 
> > checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found
> > configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated
> > by gnome-libs install
> > 
> > Running #apt-cache search gnome-libs only finds "gnome-libs-data" which
> > alreddy is installed.
> > Anyone that knows what package include "gnomeConf.sh"?
> 
> Use the search engine at the bottom of http://packages.debian.org/ to
> answer questions like this.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- 
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Re: root login How ???

2003-08-23 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:27:06PM -0400, Jeff Elkins wrote:
| On Friday 22 August 2003 10:28 pm, Robert Storey wrote:

| >I know that most Debian users disdain the idea of ever logging in as root,

Well, there is a reason for that.  (see my first message in this
thread)

| > but there are a few times when I've found it useful

| I agree. I don't run X as root normally, but it's been useful a time
| or two.

I'm really curious now.  In what situations have you found a graphical
root login to be so useful?

*I* haven't found any situation in which I couldn't do what I wanted
to by using my own desktop and simply switching to root in a certain
xterm.

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UDMA in kernel 2.4.21

2003-08-23 Thread Alexey Chetroi
 Hello,

 I've compiled kernel 2.4.21 from unstable, but when I'm trying 
to setup UDMA mode X67-X69, kernel complains that udma 3/4/5 not
functional and indeed hdparm -tT /dev/hda shows performance degrade.
But kernel version 2.4.20 on the same machine works perfectly with
UDMA. What could be the problem? 

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Mozilla printer problems

2003-08-23 Thread Tom Allison
I'm having difficulties getting my cups printer to work with Mozilla.

The printer is located on a different box (server).  But for this client, I 
can successfully print using 'cat foo | lpr' and Open Office documents as well..

But Mozilla tends to hang.  There is a lot of traffic to the server in the 
ipp port, but nothing ever gets printed and Mozilla is effectively toast at 
this point.  I have to 'kill' it.

my variable $MOZ_PRINTER_NAME seems to be null as far as I can tell.  I 
started up Mozilla from a xterm window and the variable had no definition in 
the same xterm windows (mozilla; echo ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME})

I have found this mentioned a few times on Debian and Suse lists from 
google-ing, but I don't seem to find anyone who has resolved the matter.

Can anyone help?

this is my current printer configuration in Mozilla.
lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME}
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Re: gnomeConf.sh

2003-08-23 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 02:56:32PM +0200, ZekeVarg wrote:
> I tried to install gfilerunner from source package but I #./configure
> ends with:
> 
> checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found
> configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated
> by gnome-libs install
> 
> Running #apt-cache search gnome-libs only finds "gnome-libs-data" which
> alreddy is installed.
> Anyone that knows what package include "gnomeConf.sh"?

Use the search engine at the bottom of http://packages.debian.org/ to
answer questions like this.

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installing mixed packages with apt

2003-08-23 Thread Dweeil Brock
I"m using woody and I want to install the unstable version of vsftpd 
1.2.0-1.
I have tried the following apt-get commands, but apt cannot find the version 
I want -- even though this version if listed under the unstable release.

apt-get -t unstable install vsftpd

apt-get install vsftpd=1.2.0-1

Both of these commands cannot find this version.

Any suugesstions? Besides installing it manually, I'd rather use apt.

Thanks!

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Re: Install Help again PS

2003-08-23 Thread Bill Morgan
On 8/22/03 7:50 PM, "Alan Waterfall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does anyone know what the video chipset and PCI video buss ID is on a
> powermac 7600?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Alan
> 

You'll probably have better luck on the debian-powerpc mailing list:

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with subject "subscribe"

"Old World" (roughly: beige box) Macs are more trouble than newer
models, but they do work.   There are ways...

HTH,

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Re: Permissions on a vfat partition

2003-08-23 Thread Roberto Sanchez
 --- kenneth dombrowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: 
> On 03-08-23 03:30 +0200, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> > You are not telling it who owns all the files.  FAT has no concept of
> users,
> > groups, or other attributes (aside from RW and RO).  You must specify the
> UID
> > or GID (uding gid=) you want assigned to all files on the file system
> when
> > it is mounted.
> > 
> > /dev/hda7   /mnt/d  vfatrw,user,uid=1000,noexec 0   0
> > 
> 
> that is, if you're concerned about restricting access at all, correct? 
> 
> I've seen this response before & have always been a little confused. I
> dual boot a laptop with win2k & just have the following in my /etc/fstab
> 
> /dev/hda1 /windows   vfatnoauto,user   0  0
> 
> I can `mount /windows` and write to it just fine
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo "test">/windows/test.txt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /windows
> [ ...other stuff.. ]
> -rwxr--r--1 kenneth  kenneth 5 Aug 23 00:46 test.txt
> 
> I don't think I'm in any special windows-writing groups:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tmp$ groups
> kenneth adm cdrom audio www-data src video xcdwrite scsi www-adm
> 
> for a laptop nobody else in the world is ever going to use, just
> specifying 'user' is fine.. right? 
> 
> (I've given this out as advice before, so I just want to clarify, but if
> I'm correct, the OP may be interested too)
> 
> thanks,
> Kenneth
> 

You are also correct.  If you use the "user" option, then whoever mounts the 
partition gets ownership, but then you must also use "noauto," otherwise the
partition is mounted on boot and is owned by root.

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Re: Printer Selection Range

2003-08-23 Thread Wally Collett
I would like to find out why my Epson Stylus 440 will no longer allow me to
select printer range.  This means that instead of printing just one page I
am forced to print all of the page even though I don't need them.  This
selection worked up until a few months ago. I have enquired at every
possible site including Epson and no one seems to be able to help. Any
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gnomeConf.sh

2003-08-23 Thread ZekeVarg
Hi!
I tried to install gfilerunner from source package but I #./configure
ends with:

checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found
configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated
by gnome-libs install

Running #apt-cache search gnome-libs only finds "gnome-libs-data" which
alreddy is installed.
Anyone that knows what package include "gnomeConf.sh"?
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Re: (OT) Team programming tools

2003-08-23 Thread Shri Shrikumar
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 21:37, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote:

> Egos are the root cause of all poor software, IMX.

Just look at the quality of windows and the ego of its parent for a good
example.

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Loadlin fails where lilo succeeds.

2003-08-23 Thread Shaul Karl
  initrd was made while the deb for the self prepared 
kernel-image-2.6.0-test2 package was installed. Lilo boots fine. Yet
when launching loadlin, and activating an identical kernel image and
initrd like the ones that are used with lilo, I get:


[ looks like the expected boot process ]

mknod: when creating special files, major and minor device numbers
   must be specified.
Try `mknod --help' for more information.
Fatal: Module ext3 not found.
mount: fs type ext3 not supported by kernel.
mount: special device /dev2/root2 does not exist
mount: special device /dev2/root2 does not exist
mount: you must specify the file system type
pivot_root: No such file or directory
/sbin/init: 196: cannot open dev/console. No such file
Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!


  Why when booting with lilo the fact that the ext3 module is not there
causes it to continue with ext2 while this is not the case for loadlin?

  What component is mainly responsible: loadlin, mkinitrd or the kernel?

  Both lilo and loadlin can boot with 2.4.21 and an initrd that was made
for that kernel.

  The loadlin version is 1.6c-0.3.
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Re: libc6 optimizations

2003-08-23 Thread Diego Calleja García
El Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:52:12 -0400 Mental Patient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

> Its not really critical or anything, I was just wondering about it.

Try apt-src/apt-build


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Re: Difference between dpkg and APT?

2003-08-23 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 01:12:09PM +0200, Yves Goergen wrote:
> can anyone explain the difference between dpkg (dpkg-deb,
> dselect...) and APT (apt-get...) to me?

apt is a frontend to dpkg.

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Re: Autodetection and configuring of devices! Need advice

2003-08-23 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 12:53:58PM +0200, Joakim Nordberg wrote:
> Does anyone knows the progres of discover2?

It doesn't appear to be in sid...

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Re: Checking what's installed

2003-08-23 Thread Damien Solley
There's even handy scripts that'll show arrange the dpkg output by size
of package, so you can really trim it. Someone published this on a
newsgroup list a while back, but am not sure who it was! Very nice
output, kudos to the original author. Oh, and here it is (a the bottom
of the page):
http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2000/debian-powerpc-25/msg00161.html



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Re: Checking what's installed

2003-08-23 Thread Johann Koenig
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:23:55 +0100
Piers Kittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello all
> 
> Am installing Debian on a 486 laptop, and because I want to trim down 
> the installation as much as possible, how do I view a list of what's 
> installed by apt-get on the laptop?  DSelect is useless as it marks
> some stuff that hasn't been installed as to be installed.

dpkg --get-selections | less
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trident i want driver

2003-08-23 Thread usman



trident pci audio does not work on windowXP.please 
send me a driver for it so i download from u


Re: Difference between dpkg and APT?

2003-08-23 Thread Johann Koenig
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:12:09 +0200
Yves Goergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi list,
> can anyone explain the difference between dpkg (dpkg-deb, dselect...)
> and APT (apt-get...) to me? What is considered the better one of both?
> The APT manpage says, APT is still in development, but why create
> another debian packager, if there's already one?

apt is a frontend for dpkg. It solves dependencies and downloads debs
from mirrors, and then passes them to dpkg, which installs them.
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Difference between dpkg and APT?

2003-08-23 Thread Yves Goergen
Hi list,
can anyone explain the difference between dpkg (dpkg-deb, dselect...) and APT 
(apt-get...) to me?
What is considered the better one of both?
The APT manpage says, APT is still in development, but why create another debian 
packager, if there's already one?

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Re: Checking what's installed

2003-08-23 Thread James Steward<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
You could try dpkg -l

JS

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:23 pm, Piers Kittel wrote:
> Hello all
>
> Am installing Debian on a 486 laptop, and because I want to trim down
> the installation as much as possible, how do I view a list of what's
> installed by apt-get on the laptop?  DSelect is useless as it marks some
> stuff that hasn't been installed as to be installed.
>
> Thanks very much for your help in advance
>
> Cheers - Piers


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Re: Checking what's installed

2003-08-23 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 11:23:55AM +0100, Piers Kittel wrote:
> Am installing Debian on a 486 laptop, and because I want to trim down 
> the installation as much as possible, how do I view a list of what's 
> installed by apt-get on the laptop?  DSelect is useless as it marks some 
> stuff that hasn't been installed as to be installed.

aptitude?

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Checking what's installed

2003-08-23 Thread Piers Kittel
Hello all

Am installing Debian on a 486 laptop, and because I want to trim down 
the installation as much as possible, how do I view a list of what's 
installed by apt-get on the laptop?  DSelect is useless as it marks some 
stuff that hasn't been installed as to be installed.

Thanks very much for your help in advance

Cheers - Piers

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Re: Working around package conflict

2003-08-23 Thread James Steward<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I think this idea will work just fine - I'll test it shortly.

Thanks.
JS.

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:52 am, Bob Proulx wrote:
> James Steward<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sorry Bob - that didn't quite work.  I did something like the following;
> > mkdir /usr/lib/libkde3
> > cp /root/kdelib3/usr/lib/* /usr/lib/libkde3/
> > vi /etc/ld.so.conf
> > { add the path /usr/lib/libkde3 }
> > ldconfig
>
> Ooo.  I would not make that change a global change.  Instead I would
> make it a private change just for the application.
>
> File myvericad:
>   #!/bin/sh
>   export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/libkde3
>   exec vericad "$@"
>
> Now in that case when you run vericad it gets the old libraries but
> this does not affect anything else.  Actually I would call it by the
> same name and put it in /usr/local/bin which is ahead of /usr/bin in
> PATH and have it do the rest.  That way it behaves the same.
>
> File /usr/local/bin/vericad:
>   #!/bin/sh
>   export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/libkde3
>   exec /usr/bin/vericad "$@"
>
> > start varicad - runs ok - no SEGV - cool.
> > start konqueror - SEGV
> >
> > remove the lib path from ld.so.conf and ldconfig, konqueror runs ok now.
>
> This proposal above should solve this problem.
>
> Caveat: Since LD_LIBRARY_PATH is in the environment it will persist
> into subshells launched by vericad.  If you shell out of vericad into
> a subshell and then launch konqueror you will get the old libs which
> cause konqueror to core dump.  So don't do that.  :-)  I don't even
> know if you can do that with vericad but just in case.
>
> Bob


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Re: Working around package conflict

2003-08-23 Thread James Steward<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Yes there are plenty of browsers to choose from, but what other KDE apps were 
also stuffed?  I only tried konqueror
Opera isn't 100% - it dies for me every now and then.
Galeon I haven't tried.
Mozilla is all powerful but very bloated and slow (I need more memory yes).

Konqueror is small, fast and good enough for most of what I do - I like it and 
I'd like to keep it.  There must be another way.  I think Bob has cracked it 
with his latest idea.  I like it Bob - thanks.

JS.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:10 pm, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 05:36, James Steward wrote:
> > Sorry Bob - that didn't quite work.  I did something like the following;
> > mkdir /usr/lib/libkde3
> > cp /root/kdelib3/usr/lib/* /usr/lib/libkde3/
> > vi /etc/ld.so.conf
> > { add the path /usr/lib/libkde3 }
> > ldconfig
> >
> > start varicad - runs ok - no SEGV - cool.
> > start konqueror - SEGV
> >
> > remove the lib path from ld.so.conf and ldconfig, konqueror runs ok now.
> >
> > H.
> >
> > James.
>
> 
> So? Linux has more than a few browsers! try another one! opera, galeon,
> mozilla, . :-)
> -K


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Console misconfigured

2003-08-23 Thread Joan Tur
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Hallo!

I'm running knoppix in my laptop, and I've installed 4 times woody in a slow 
machine (P166, 64Mb).

As I'm using the slow one in text mode only -usually through ssh- I've found 
some things that aren't working fine:

1. < > aren't working (spanish configuration),
2. , , , , arrow keys are not 
working; If I try for instance to edit a long command line I cannot use the 
arrows to move backwards or forward or to go to the beginning of the line.
3. when having a look at a man page the only key that's working is the enter 
key: it moves one line down.  Up & down arrow and page back/forwards are not 
working

I keep on learning.  TIA  ;)
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Re: opening ports & i feel dumb

2003-08-23 Thread Stefan Waidele jun.
amg wrote:
> recently switched to debian after years with windows, i am enjoying
> the experience, although at times i get frustrated - i know that is
> my fault and not my computer (or operating system - or linux - or
> debian - or yours)
>
> my current dilemma is with ports:
>
> understanding them, and working with them
I tried to explain it in:

http://stefan.waidele.info/lanremote.html

Since this document was written for a course for new linux-users, it 
does not cover the complete area with all the IFs, WHENs and 
THEREALSOMIGHTBEs.
But it should give you some idea (hopefully :)

HTH,

Stefan

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Re: root login How ???

2003-08-23 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 02:01:41AM -0700, Joris Huizer wrote:
> As root, run gdmconfig.
> Click the tab "Login behavior" and check "Show the
> 'system' menu (for reboot shutdown etc)" 

This is strongly discouraged, however.  You should be using su -m when
you need an X program to run as root.

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Re: root login How ???

2003-08-23 Thread Joris Huizer

--- Victory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I found out that after debian 3.0r1 installed,
> try to login as root and passwd at the GNOME Desktop
> Manager
> and it said " The system administrator is not
> allowed to login form this
> screen"
> How to login with root account to run some utility
> from graphic mode ???
> 
> Regards,
> Victor,
> 

As root, run gdmconfig.
Click the tab "Login behavior" and check "Show the
'system' menu (for reboot shutdown etc)" 

That'll let you choose "configure" or something like
that under 'system'.

I hope this helps,

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Re: ebay slow

2003-08-23 Thread Paul Johnson
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Also going to oddman since I doubt he's among the hundreds subscribed
to the list.

On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 12:39:22AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> my ebay is going slow... how do youy cure? thanks, mike

Debian is not ebay.  Why not email ebay or call your ISP's support
line to figure out what's wrong?

We're all dying to know, what inspired you to think that we can help
with someone else's website that we have no control over?  That's like
calling the gas company because you haven't been getting the daily
paper in over a week.

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Re: root login How ???

2003-08-23 Thread Stefan Waidele jun.
Robert Storey wrote:
> [...]
> I know that most Debian users disdain the idea of ever logging in as
> root, but there are a few times when I've found it useful (I'll
> probably get flamed to a crisp for saying that). The best way I know
> of to log in as root is to kill gdm and log in using text mode. You
> can always start the graphics with "startx".
You don't even need to kill gdm or logout as user.
From any root-shell (even in an xterm) simply do a
'startx -- :1' and it will start another X11-Server on another virtual 
console. You can switch back and forth with + and 
+.

HTH,

Stefan

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Re: SCO show must end!!!

2003-08-23 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 05:02:40AM +0300, acatrineicatalin wrote:
> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/cnet/stories/5067404.htm

Yet another company stating the obvious.

On a side note, I was listening to some Marilyn Manson when I saw the
subject line, and my mind instantly reworded the song...

"We're all stars now...In the SCO show"

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Re: opening ports & i feel dumb

2003-08-23 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:56:41PM -0400, Luke Reeves wrote:
> Also, you might wanna check out mldonkey - it's a much nicer replacement 
> for the official client, and includes an easy web interface.

xmule may be more stable and less obnoxious to Windows eDonkey and
eMule users making the transition.

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Re: opening ports & i feel dumb

2003-08-23 Thread Paul Johnson
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Please turn your line wraps on to 72 columns so we don't have to do
linewrap gymnastics to read it.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 09:37:18PM -0400, amg wrote:
> while looking at "/etc/inet.dconf" and "/etc/services" i see that
> these programs and/or services have to be "declared" or "assigned"
> to a certain port number (or actually vice versa) (side question: is
> my understanding of this false?)

Not entirely.

> i tried to input "edonkey" along with the corresponding port number inside the two 
> aformentioned configurations files
> 
> i entered this into "/etc/inetd.conf":
> edonkey   stream  tcp nowait  amg /usr/local/bin/edonkey/donkey0.50.1
> (please use your imagination for the other two ports)

Don't add edonkey to inetd, that's just asking for trouble.

> i then rebooted (just to make sure it was read correctly (special
> reminder: i am new at this))

Just reload the daemon you're reconfiguring instead.  In this case,
as root (using su[1]), do /etc/init.d/inetd reload.  If a particular
daemon doesn't have a reload, restart works just as well (though can
potentially take longer).

> i dont have ipchains or iptables installed, so assigning them access
> would accomplish nothing (correct?)

Right.

> so, my question (along with the inter-dispersed) and my assumption
> is i don't have a firewall running on my computer (from what i can
> tell - very bad - but please limit your response to what's coming up
> next)

Personal firewalls aren't.  http://www.samspade.org/d/firewalls.html

Using a reasonably secure OS is more effective than a Windows box
running a personal firewall.  Don't run any network services that you
don't use and you should be OK in Linux.

> do i need to start edonkey as a service to allow it access to listen
> to a port (using it in a certain runlevel and/or a symbolic link
> inside that specific runlevel)?

edonkey has no options to run as a daemon, this won't help.  Programs
will open their own ports as needed.

Try to undo what you've done, and go look through the edonkey faq to
see why you're getting a low-id.  If you're not getting a low-id,
forget about it, nothing's wrong.

Don't feel bad, many people have a rough start.  ESR wrote an essay
entitled "How to ask questions the smart way," which I think is
misnamed.  It really should be, "How to troubleshoot effectively."
Either way, it's on the web here:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Hope this helps!



[1] If you log in as root, break that habit immediately.  Seriously.
Just use su instead, or if you need an X program as root, use su -m

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Re: support - Re: where is the place to enable agp gart in kernel 2.4.21?

2003-08-23 Thread Alvin Oga

hi ya sebastian

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Sebastian Kapfer wrote:

> Very good advice. Different users have different expectations from their
> hardware. You often hear that Radeons "work" under Linux. Sure, the 2D
> part works fine, but that's not a reason to get the latest 3D accelerator.

"work[ing]" is also relative too ..
- depends on the monitor one uses .. :-)
and its resolution you want and flickering or not ..etc.etc..
 
> ATI does not provide drivers for their latest cards (9600 and 9800). At
> least they did not when I looked two weeks ago. I had to use the FireGL
> drivers from Schneider, which "sort of" worked (garbled OpenGL and no

yes... i did the same ... took me a day of googling to find 
newer drivers
http://www.schneider-digital.de/html/body_download_ati.html#8x00

drivers at ati was old and didnt support it back in april

i've since convreted out most of the old fireGL and have them using
$1,000 nvidia quadro 9x000 series controllers .. they seem to be happy
3D modeling their molecules complete w/ 3d goggles

> > agp gart stuff is tricky to get working  ... fun or annoying stuff
> 
> If your chipset is supported, it's not tricky at all. Otherwise, it
> depends - how much of a kernel hacker are you? ;-)

adding/deleting options in the kernel is easy.. once you get the hang
of it and is highly recommended when time prevails
( spend the time to learn now .. or later .. )

and played with the kernel sources too .. to get some hw recognized

still fun and annoying at the same time ...
and having to do it 24 times repeatatively stresses the point too
for this one client
 
c ya
alvin


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Re: Mouse Problems

2003-08-23 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 06:10:00PM -0400, William Bradley wrote:
> This particular machine is dualed with Windows 98, so I looked up the mouse
> and though it is a Logitech mouse, Windows lists it as a PS/2 mouse.

More detail, please.  Specifically, what kind of mouse?  Are you also
using gpm?  What exactly are you telling X your mouse is?

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Re: root login How ???

2003-08-23 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 01:26:46AM -0400, Stephen Touset wrote:
> Under gdmsetup, you can allow root logins and remote root logins through
> GDM via the Security tab.

No!  Do *NOT* do this!  Log in as a normal user, open your favorite
terminal, and type su -m and run your X programs as root from the
resulting shell.

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Re: Unicode: is it safe to use it ?

2003-08-23 Thread Christophe Courtois
Le Vendredi 22 Août 2003 22:45, Alex Malinovich a déclamé :
> > Polish (całego świata. Dostępne są też ŽŽ),
> > Chinese ( 新聞、商業信息、文化藝  ),
> > Japanese  (ダンス・エレクトロニカ ),
> > Thaï 
> > (พระราชดำริสมเด็จพระเทพรัตนราชสุดาฯ
> >  สยามบ),
> > Hebrew (זכרמב - הבכרמה טקיורפ),
> > something from India (ैं ओर राष्ट्रपति 
> > सद्दाम हुसैन से मिल चुके हैं.
> > ), Russian (Слова и музыка)...
> > example, I use Bitstream fonts.
> Which font packages do you have installed for the Chinese, Japanese,
> Thai and "something from India"? 

 I just use a font which contains enough parts of Unicode (Bitstream Vera 
Sans for Kmail, package is in sarge). I just swapped, as Arial (the one 
from MS I think) could handle Japanese but not Chinese.

> Just out of curiosity, do you actually speak all of those languages or

 I really would like to :-  But I don't even have time to try to learn 
something as 'basic' as Spanish and at the same time improve my German, 
so Chinese and Russian will wait... (I'm French and only Americans are 
worse than us for foreign languages ;-)

> are you just tossing out a few words? 

 Cut-and-paste from websites ;o)  (I tried to add something from Cambodia, 
but all their websites are for foreigners, in English or French).

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Re: Finishing the Install: Packages

2003-08-23 Thread ben
Alfredo Valles wrote:
> On Friday 22 August 2003 7:23 pm, Chrissy wrote:
>
>> The stage that I am at now is that I have the base system installed
>> and running. I loath to get anywhere past the root or user login. I
>> get the prompts and such but I cant seem to find or understand, at
>> this point, the command structures that I have come across.
>
>
> From the comand line run the program tasksel, then you will have a
> menu in which you sould select to install a desktop environment.
>
>
>> What I have here is Debian GNU/Linux. The name wirtten on the CD
>> is: "Debian Woody".
>
>
> Yes, that's the debian stable alright.
>
> If you take advices hear one:  Forget Debian stable for now, download
> knoppix and have fun with it, learn with it.  It's a live CD but you
> can also install it to hard disk without any pain, it's cool and
> easy, very good looking desktop, and it's based on debian. What else
> you can ask for?
>
>
> Good Luck
>
> Alfredo
>
>
if you take advice, that's a whole 'nother story. before you download
anything else, explore woody, one of the all-time best stable releases 
of debian. take the time to describe what you want to achieve, and don't 
 get put off by the occasional caustic response from the list. the best 
people here give straight answers, although sometimes it might seem a 
tad cryptic. you're already on the road. think about the questions, 
search the archives for answers. by then, if you haven't found the 
solution, you'll at least have found the question.

ben

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Re: how to configure e-mail server

2003-08-23 Thread Ron Johnson
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